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This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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He did. This also included you, Gary along with Bill Taylor, Caroline Wong, Jonathan Hughes, Debbie and (sometimes) CPL (he's rather preoccupied, sadly with one topic) The rest are engaged in the act of reification. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 21:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts note the word 'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism e.g., didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through the Spirit toPastor Smithson? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. ||
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Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out!
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Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Kind offunny -- I read two posts from two very different people within seconds of each other. The first wasyour post, below, making it clear that our discussion will have no meaningful conclusion and the other post spoke of the pursuit of meaningless activites and included me (if you can believe it !!!) in that pursuit. Double dose of reality. Truth hurts .. I am pulling out of the "personal defense" business because it truly and obviously is a waste of time. Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:53:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out!
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JD the progression was as follows (see below)- as usual (for some of you) every road leads to the failure and false gifting of DM so the discussion progressed from worship to spiritual discernment and who is qualified to discern. Here you have been usingpart of the thread 'out of context' to makeit into something else which is what happens with God's Word continually. On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:55:50 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies.JD JD, you are perverting the truth once more .. The thread actually began (for me) with my response to an item posted by Lance about worship shaping spirituality where he quoted Polyani andmy response in part was as follows: jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Sure it does, these are the ones who descended into Sheoll rejoicing ... read about it in Isaiah 5:13,14 Lance wrote: Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! G's contribution = On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:57:29 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude === From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and
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Good! No need ever for personal defenses because the truth will always stand... jt On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:20:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kind offunny -- I read two posts from two very different people within seconds of each other. The first wasyour post, below, making it clear that our discussion will have no meaningful conclusion and the other post spoke of the pursuit of meaningless activites and included me (if you can believe it !!!) in that pursuit. Double dose of reality. Truth hurts .. I am pulling out of the "personal defense" business because it truly and obviously is a waste of time. JdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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He needs a rest When you tell lies you start forgetting, just exactly what you said, it is hard to keep track of your changing storiesJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out! Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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That was the "old" JD posting against the "new" JDJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute - I wrote both paragraphs in green below and now it appears to me that JD is attributing the first one to himself - saying he is the "one"; do we have a split or two JD's posting to the list? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does JD see that no one else does?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out! Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just such a squabble. Perry From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500 JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about I didn't say that, Yes I did, You said thus and such, You are lying about what I said, Prove that I said that,, etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this origianl post is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. JD -Original Message- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts This is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word myth ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never reads the Bible? What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economics which reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centeredness witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir religious establishment (cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 _ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=32658/*http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from
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Oh, yeah. One for you. Dozens for JD. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:40 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just such a squabble. Perry From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500 JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about I didn't say that, Yes I did, You said thus and such, You are lying about what I said, Prove that I said that,, etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this origianl post is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. JD -Original Message- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts This is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word myth ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never reads the Bible? What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economics which reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centeredness witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir religious establishment (cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 _ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http
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thank you. Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:40:26 -0700Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Actually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having just such a squabble.PerryFrom: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsDate: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibblesabout "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You arelying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Evernotice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tellyou anything??? Izzy __ ___From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsWrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The postpreeceding this one has me talking about something else and you draggingLance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wonderingwhy you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced themat all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance.THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accus ationswas to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in scriptincluded much much more than comments about the movies.JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsThis is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll haveto do better than this... jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); writes: bsp;Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rootingand grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two ofthe three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'dbe interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word)that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is anexpert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up withhis own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how aboutgiving me some examples of what I have missed. jtAnd here is what you said you said:Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said thatneither Lance nor Gary weresufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly di scern agenuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtNot having a good week, are we?JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said thatneither Lance nor Gary weresufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern agenuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs.Taylor. Not even close.But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it haswritten. Let's move on.JdThat is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anythinglike what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never reads the Bible?What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Wordto discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Actually I suspect hewould say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic atheart. jtOn Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of GodJDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trustingin man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people;e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economicswhich reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over thepoor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centerednesswitnessed in the philosophy partic of the/ir religious establishment (cp.3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed societytrapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicideOn Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes:. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 _Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=32658/*http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
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Because he changes his story so much even he can't remember the latest revision.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The post preeceding this one has me talking about something else and you dragging Lance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wondering why you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strange occurance. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusations was to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts This isnot the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!
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JD has had such with DM, Izzy, JT and KD Can anyone in the history of TT match that record?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yeah. One for you. Dozens for JD. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry LockeSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsActually, Izzy, it was not that long ago that Dave and I were having justsuch a squabble..PerryFrom: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo:Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ExerptsDate: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30:56 -0500JD why is it that you are the ONE individual who is in constant quibbles about "I didn't say that," "Yes I did," "You said thus and such," "You are lying about what I said," "Prove that I said that,", etc, etc, etc. Ever notice that no one else has these squabbles except for you? Does this tell you anything??? Izzy _From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsWrong again. The words, below, are your original post, Judy. The postpreeceding this one has me talking about something else and you draggingLance and Gary's names into the subject. I question you on this, wonderingwhy you have included them in your response when I had not refereneced them at all, and this "origianl post" is your defence of that strangeoccurance.THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. Eventually, my response to your false accusationswas to cite Lance's several posts proving that his concerns in script included much much more than comments about the movies.JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:49:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ExerptsThis is not the original - this is me explaining the original. You'll have to do better than this... jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');> writes:Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rootingand grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritualgift.I'dbe interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how aboutgiving me some examples of what I have missed. jtAnd here is what you said you said:Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtNot having a good week, are we?JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] <_javascript_:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');>Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Look in the archives. This is what I said. jtOn Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs.Taylor. Not even close.But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it haswritten. Let's move on.JdThat is your myth (read lie) JD because I never made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I say Gary O never readsthe Bible?What I said is that he is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation.Actually I suspect hewould say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jtOn Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of GodJDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Isaiah's point about false worship solidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man'; in ch5, Isaiah condemns the arrogant attitude/s of God's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), a criticism of their economics which reflects their real poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparently such poverty results primarily from man-centeredness witnessed in the philosophy partic of the/irreligious establishment (cp.3:12, 14); also, 5:14 does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of (its) spiritual suicideOn Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:. read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 _Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!ml--"Let your
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I have done that with Lance...successfully Keepreassuring your self say it a few more times a little bit louder and you may start believing it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God Gary is not a man of many words -- kind of like Terry. He may not seem as traditional in thought as some on this forum -- but he is clearly concerned with the Word, God in Christ and so on. To argue otherwise is to pita lie against the truth. I will certainly go into the archives to demonstrate my point. I have done that with Lance...successfully , I might add. Do any doubt that this can be done with Mr. G? Will there be moderated comments about bearing false witness now that someone on the "left" has proven the accepted gossip to be a untrue. JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
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I don't think JD has a problemunderstanding I think he misrepresents others views ( as amply shown in the past) in order to shoot down the STRAW MAN he created.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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note the word 'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism e.g., didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through the Spirit toPastor Smithson? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. ||
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Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself. Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt And here is what you said you said: Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt Not having a good week, are we? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr. Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Look in the archives. This is what I said. jt On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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MYTH[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You givehim an endless source of matrerial. Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:33:14 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Are you stuck in a RUT man? Everything you post is either "MYTH" or "DUALISM"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM more. Check it out! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Sort of like when JD argued that "ALL" which became "most" and finally "some" when confronted with his own statement.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close. But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on. Jd That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14 Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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How does your spiritual gift discern between MYTH and Dualism?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: note the word 'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism e.g., didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through the Spirit toPastor Smithson? On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..to correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation. ||__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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If the shoe fits, Judy. if the shoe fits. I am quite sure you ahve used the word 'liberal" on this forum. But that is not important, is it? -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:36:43 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Don't believe I've ever used the word "liberal" on TT JD. I am into truth vs error rather than liberal vs whatever... and what's this with the angst? Where did that come from? jt On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:58:42 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an observation. You do not fight liberalism -- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol' liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class -- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.) Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our example and we (I am sure) will follow suit. JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know the voice of the Shepherd. jt On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! From: Judy Taylor On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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I suppose you would sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A but, you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless (eh?)! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 11:11 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I suppose you would sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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ANSWER THE QUESTION LANCE. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:16 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A but, you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless (eh?)! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 11:11 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I suppose you would sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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Lance wrote: I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? Let's make one thing clear. Jesus did not have fellowship with sinners. I have been criticized many times for being friends with homosexuals, fornicators, drunkards, drug addicts, prison convicts, etc. I have even been disfellowshipped for having homosexuals in my Bible studies. Nevertheless, I have never had fellowship with these sinners while they were still in their sin. Jesus was criticized for ministering to sinners, not for having fellowship with them. Every sinner who came to Jesus was told by Jesus to go and sin no more. Why? Sinners cannot have fellowship with Jesus. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I knew it! You definitely do have your own exclusive Bible Lance. Where do you read that Jesus went to fellowship with "sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies, and the like" In my Bibles they came to Him ... In fact read John 2:23-25 and you will see that during the Passover there were many who believed on Him just because of what they saw Him do but he would not commit Himself to them because He knew what was in man. So what has changed?? God's ppl have a responsibility to go into the highways and byways which the much criticized SP's are doing to preach the Kingdom and call people to God. However, the Church has a different standard, it should not be full of the kinds of ppl you name. As Paul told the Ephesians "such WERE some of you" jt On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:53:45 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! From: ShieldsFamily Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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Judy, I think Lance is talking about all those times when Jesus hung out in the Baal temples with the homos and prostitutesits in his Bible. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I knew it! You definitely do have your own exclusive Bible Lance. Where do you read that Jesus went to fellowship with sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies, and the like In my Bibles they came to Him ... In fact read John 2:23-25 and you will see that during the Passover there were many who believed on Him just because of what they saw Him do but he would not commit Himself to them because He knew what was in man. So what has changed?? God's ppl have a responsibility to go into the highways and byways which the much criticized SP's are doing to preach the Kingdom and call people to God. However, the Church has a different standard, it should not be full of the kinds of ppl you name. As Paul told the Ephesians such WERE some of you jt On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:53:45 -0400 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! From: ShieldsFamily Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God Gary is not a man of many words -- kind of like Terry. He may not seem as traditional in thought as some on this forum -- but he is clearly concerned with the Word, God in Christ and so on. To argue otherwise is to pita lie against the truth. I will certainly go into the archives to demonstrate my point. I have done that with Lance...successfully , I might add. Do any doubt that this can be done with Mr. G? Will there be moderated comments about bearing false witness now that someone on the "left" has proven the accepted gossip to be a untrue. JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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(the factthat Methodistswere having a 'church' service iz really significant--the word 'church' in its context unravels the) myth On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:42:55 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Methodist || From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written below. Did I sayGary O never reads the Bible? What I said is thathe is not sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to discern what is and what is not a genuine spiritual gift in operation. Actually I suspect he would say they are all bogus because of the fact that he is Calvinistic at heart. jt On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:01:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JDFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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Are you stuck in a RUT man? Everything you post is either "MYTH" or "DUALISM"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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You are so right. An adversarial relationship, but a relationship for sure. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:02 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:01:25 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Isaiah'spointabout false worshipsolidifies in ch2, relates to 'trusting in man';in ch5, Isaiahcondemns the arrogant attitude/s ofGod's people; e.g., '..you live alone in the land' (5:8), acriticism of their economicswhichreflectstheirreal poverty (lording themselves over the poor)..apparentlysuch povertyresults primarily fromman-centeredness witnessed inthephilosophy partic ofthe/irreligious establishment(cp. 3:12, 14); also, 5:14does not mention 'hell'--its about a blessed society trapped in the throes of(its) spiritual suicide On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:44:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . read ..Isaiah 5:13,14
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Pr 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD Pr 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD Pr 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. Pr 21:4 the plowing of the wicked, is sin. Even the "best" of the wicked is an Abomination to God! Even the work (plowing) turns God's stomach.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent points, Judy. Worship can be acceptable or unacceptable to God. If it feels good, it isnt necessarily acceptable to Him. I sat in on part of a church service in which the Reverend was a lesbian, and the congregation was filled with sodomites. They were quite into their communal worship as they hugged each other and rejoiced in the fact that God loved them so much they could come out of the closet. I had to leave when they started handing out communion as I just couldnt stomach watching that sacrilege. It was enough to make even me throw up. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:59 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go... __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. So Methodists don't have church services? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:41 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts (the factthat Methodistswere having a 'church' service iz really significant--the word 'church' in its context unravels the) myth On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:42:55 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Methodist || From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian
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He is dancing as fast as he can.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANSWER THE QUESTION LANCE. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:16 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I, for one, do not blame such as yourself, who choose the 'broad road' that leadeth to fellowshipping with 'non-sinners'. What was it again that Jesus was criticized for? With whom was he hanging out? A but, you take the Scriptures seriously unlike some who shall remain nameless (eh?)! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 11:11 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts I suppose you would sit there and celebrate the community of diversity under the leadership of that pervert woman? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:54 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Wasn't it Jesus who firstset the example of 'driving' around the sodomites, whores, liberals, crazies and the like in order to fellowship with the 'saints'.? Good for you, Izzie! Amen! Right on sister! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 04, 2005 10:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Methodist, around the corner from our home. One of the great liberal city churches in these huge, beautiful turn of the century buildings. They are all peppered with sodomites. No wonder we drive 25 miles to a real gathering of saints. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:15 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 15:58 Subject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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Absolutely. -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 15:58 Subject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know the voice of the Shepherd. jt On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! From: Judy Taylor On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an observation. You do not fight liberalism -- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol' liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class -- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.) Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our example and we (I am sure) will follow suit. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:16:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exerpts If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know the voice of the Shepherd. jt On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! From: Judy Taylor On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude
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Excellent points, Judy. Worship can be acceptable or unacceptable to God. If it feels good, it isnt necessarily acceptable to Him. I sat in on part of a church service in which the Reverend was a lesbian, and the congregation was filled with sodomites. They were quite into their communal worship as they hugged each other and rejoiced in the fact that God loved them so much they could come out of the closet. I had to leave when they started handing out communion as I just couldnt stomach watching that sacrilege. It was enough to make even me throw up. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:59 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Exerpts On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality ...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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Don't believe I've ever used the word "liberal" on TT JD. I am into truth vs error rather than liberal vs whatever... and what's this with the angst? Where did that come from? jt On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:58:42 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you read Eph 5:18-20. Think "imbibe." And why would you waste everyone's time rejecting such an observation. You do not fight liberalism -- you guys just fight against anything you didn't make up. Nearly everything I believe is accepted by our friends as BSF while you pretend that youare onto something really big in fight'en those dirty ol' liberals. You got Deegan all alone up there in the North, wishing that he had paid more attention in his English comprehension class -- Izzy there in St Louis pretending that she really understands what is going on and David pretending that he is the one who cast's the larger shadow (with the Lord's help, of course.) Why not drop all this ankst and get on with the discussion. I will if you will. It is up to you all. Be our example and we (I am sure) will follow suit. JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If one goes around imbibing spiritual atmospheres where is spiritual discernment? The animal kingdom are the ones who are led by instinct. Human beings need to learn and God makes surewe are taught to know the voice of the Shepherd. jt On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:12:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we ALL as predictable as you, Judy? Given this I'm not sure why you don't just have two 'repeater' words: 'Amen' for David (by extension, Christine), Izzie Kevin. 'Nein' for all of the rest of us. The time you could save, Judy! From: Judy Taylor On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:48:10 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worship shapes our spirituality "...our spirituality is usually shaped more by the experience of communal worship than it is by preaching and teachingthe way we think about God and relate to God is influenced enormously by our experience of God in communal worship..Songs are especially formative. We are far more likely to find ourselves humming something we sang in church when we go home than we are to find ourselves meditating on a phrase in the sermon..(not one of yours, of course).. jt: I would disagree with the above statement Lance - Is it yours? Actually spirituality shapes worship rather than vice-versa because true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude and we do not enter God's presence just any old way - We must properly prepare ourselves to worship.. And God does not accept all of it. He spoke through the prophet Amos and told the Israel of that day that their feasts and worship times literally made him want to vomit ... He also spoke through the prophet Isaiah about a crowd who were pretty pleased with themselves and thesedescended into sheol rejoicing. Christian philosopher and scientist Michael Polanyi spoke of knowledge that we simply absorb by a kind of 'osmosis' without even realizing that we have done so. This is what he refers to as 'tacit knowledge'Most Christians simply imbibe a theology through the way that they worship. jt: This is not the way anyone is to learn let alone Christians. This is how the animals perform (by instinct). Humans must be taught, we have been given a mind so that we can think and God will reveal Himself to whomsoever He will. The only ones who imbibe should be drunks. .theology springs from right worship but theology also, in turn, guides and ensures right worship.There is a circular relationship between the two as healthy worship and theology support each otherhow theology can guide the kind of worship that in turn shapes people spirituality. jt: Just like your little trinitarian dance, round and round and round we go...
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Sure it does, these are the ones who descended into Sheoll rejoicing ... read about it in Isaiah 5:13,14 On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:57:29 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dualistically, then, false worship depends on an incorrect heart attitude On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: true worship depends upon a correct heart attitude
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what church? On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..a church service..in which the Reverend was a lesbian