Re: [TV orNotTV] Have I Got News for You

[Adam Bowie]

A few episodes in and I think the CNN version of HIGNFY is really finding
its feet. Everyone is getting a lot more comfortable in their roles and it
all feels a lot more natural. I think Amber Ruffin and Michael Ian Black
are both working well and the guests have been largely decent.

For what it's worth, we're getting the CNN version on the BBC - airing late
evenings on Tuesdays after Newsnight. A couple of weeks ago I noticed the
same exploding sewer clip air on both US and UK shows in the same week
which is the first obvious case of sharing I've spotted. And interestingly,
Roy Wood Jr is flying in to guest host the UK version on 8 November
(meaning it'll record on 7 November if they stick to their normal schedule).


Adam

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 7:17 PM PGage  wrote:

> I kind of got that, but on CNN there really was no mention of points in
> the set up, and Hist Woods did not even make the cursory “Points!”
> Exclamation for responses he found funny (maybe he did it once or twice
> near the end). The Libertarian guy made the most references to it, which
> implied that there must have been some points set up and explanation near
> the start of the show that got cut.
>
> If they want to keep the points conceit, but still have flexibility to cut
> bits that don’t work (and please, keep doing this) then seems it would not
> be too hard to just have Woods say “Points” whenever he wants, put up a
> score board on the screen created in post production to roughly track the
> parts kept in the show, and announce some kind of winner at end.
>
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>
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 at 6:42 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Re the points. In the UK version, they don't matter as mentioned, and you
>> can only *glimpse *the scorebox in a handful of very wide shots. The
>> reason is basically because rounds get dropped because they're not funny
>> enough. Then there's an ongoing running gag in the UK that Paul Merton
>> [nearly] always wins, and Ian Hislop loses. But the points only really
>> "exist" as a concept because there are two teams. If there are teams, then
>> there must be a score. QED.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 2:17 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> I was surprised by how much I liked the first show - so much better than
>>> “After Midnight.” It seemed like the point of the show is for the civilian
>>> is to be kind of a straight man, and I thought he was fine, though maybe he
>>> or Wood should have somehow brought in a little bit of who he was in real
>>> life. Wood was funny, but I agree the energy level was a bit off; it’s
>>> almost like they watched the first eek of After Midnight and decided
>>> whatever they did they wanted to avoid that desperate manic vibe. I know
>>> the points don’t matter but they hardly existed at all,  o scoreboard or
>>> explanation, so it sounded like a non sequitur when they were mentioned a
>>> few times late in the show.
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else watch it? I have no familiarity with the British version,
>>>> so I can't compare it.
>>>>
>>>> For the most part, it wasn't very good. While I like Roy Wood Jr. a
>>>> lot, and run hot and cold on Amber Ruffin and Robin Thede, it was one of
>>>> the first times I've liked Ian Michael Black.
>>>>
>>>> The two biggest problems I found were 1) the Libertarian panelist. It
>>>> wasn't his politics (which mostly went unexpressed); it was that he was
>>>> basically a smart author forced to compete with four professional
>>>> comedians, and there aren't a lot of civilians who are equipped for that.
>>>> He was game, but out of his depth. (For example, in the closing "What Will
>>>> Be News Next Week?" bit, the other three gave humorous answers while his
>>>> was sober and serious.)
>>>>
>>>> The other, bigger, problem was that it felt like -- despite a live
>>>> audience -- there was a lot of dead air; it was a 30--minute show crammed
>>>> into a 60-minute slot.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, probably the liveliest and most unexpected thing on the
>>>> show was the two unbleeped "motherfuckers." Guess CNN didn't go with a
>>>> seven-second delay.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, they'll solve some of the problems as they go along, but
>>>> rig

Re: [TV orNotTV] Brits to find "groundbreaking" US election coverage on Channel 4

[Adam Bowie]

Channel 4 tried something similar with the UK election earlier in the year.
While Stormy Daniels seems irrelevant, and some of the other names are
general "for hire" names, it'll be interesting to see how the CNN
relationship works. Boris Johnson has a book to plug but I'm not sure what
insight he can honestly bring.

And the time difference means an awful lot of filler chat will be needed
before the first polls close. That's when audiences will be largest and
most of these folk will appear.

I notice James Carville is named and he's also named as a guest on Brian
Williams' Amazon show (which I assume will stream globally). But then these
guys sit in a studio and can beam in from wherever.

In the end, more people will watch the BBC's coverage in the UK. I'll
likely watch CNN or whatever coverage international CNBC shows (NBC or
MSNBC I suspect). Sky and ITV will also have coverage - Sky can
theoretically lean into sister company NBC's resources. The BBC has a deal
with CBS for sharing news so will probably rely on their election room
experts and mirror their calling of states.


Adam

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024, 22:33 Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The polls close in the east at 1 AM GMT and the west coast polls (and
> probable announcement of a winner) at 4 AM.
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 3:41 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> US media: We are going to produce the worst possible election coverage
>>
>> UK media: Hold my tea
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 7:51 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its first tackling of November's events since 1992 involves a new deal
>>> with CNN and a stack of celebs, e.g. Boris Johnson, Brian Cox, Stormy
>>> Daniels and Caitlyn Jenner...
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/election-2024-cnn-brian-cox-channel-4-1236026602/
>>>  (link)
>>> As if John King doesn't have enough haters here... :-)
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Sandbaggers

[Adam Bowie]

Funnily enough, Amazon was pointing me towards Blu Rays of Diana Rigg-era
series of The Avengers in their Prime Day sale only today too!

Season 4 of The Avengers is the best season! Black and white but they now
had some money from the US to shoot the whole thing on 35mm. Really off the
wall ideas, and enough budget to see them through. I don't know that the
entire thing had dialogue re-recorded, but they certainly used doubles on
location to get in and out of cars etc. Season 5 they went colour, but
before UK TV or indeed ITV had. That was because ABC in the US needed them
in colour now.

It looks like poor-ish quality versions of the Game, Set and Match series
can be found on YouTube. I suspect that they were sourced from someone's
VHS tapes. But they might be the best versions out there. (I do know where
ITV's archive is kept. I visited it once and the original film reels will
be in there somwhere...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adambowie/albums/72157714006180941/with/49809195977
)


Adam

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 4:03 PM PGage  wrote:

> Brit Box has now been pushing Ace of Spies to me. I wasn’t sure about it,
> but based on this will try it out - thanks.
>
> Amazon is also pushing me to The Avengers, and I watched a few of the
> first Rigg episodes (Season 4!). That led me to Wikipedia, which said I
> think that, as was common at the time, in early seasons the entire dialogue
> track was recorded by the actors separately.
>
> And, as it happens, I am currently in the middle of reading Deighton’s
> Game Trilogy (now on “Mexico Set”), set in roughly the same period as
> Sandbaggers, and hope to do the next two trilogies, after watching the
> three Michael Caine film adaptations of his earlier novels. I will make an
> effort to see if I can find and stream the Granada TV adaptations. Thanks!
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 7:29 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Funnily enough I was at a screening of Blakes 7 at the British Film
>> Institute at the weekend. There's a sparkling new Blu Ray of series 1
>> coming out soon, and they were showing that off - two of the only three
>> original stars still surviving were in attendance. But the person in charge
>> of the restoration spoke about the standards of the time. Basically it was
>> on location filming on 16mm and very occasionally 35mm film. Then back to
>> the studio for the recording blocks for that. It was normal to have one 2-3
>> hour recording session in a studio with multi-cameras for a single episode
>> of a drama. The actors rehearsed ahead of time and then did it on the
>> night. Union rules meant that times were tight. This was how Doctor Who of
>> the era was shot too - but also the case for many other dramas right
>> through until the mid-80s. Then the sets would be struck in that studio and
>> the next night something else was recorded in the same place -- a sitcom or
>> anything. Standing sets for a show in production were an anathema.  Of
>> course, the UK didn't make 20-something episode long seasons. Only the
>> soaps got permanent sets.
>>
>> As far as British spy series of the era go, a couple of others to look
>> out for are Reilly Ace of Spies starring a very young Sam Neill. It's all
>> set in the early 20th century against the backdrop of WWI and the Russian
>> revolution. It was made by Euston Films, part of Thames Television. That
>> was a prestige piece and was all shot on film, with loads of now familiar
>> people in the cast. Many episodes were directed by Martin Campbell who went
>> on to make several Bond films amongst others, and they were written by Troy
>> Kennedy Martin. He'd made The Sweeney for Thames before - a British hard
>> hitting action TV series starring John (Inspector Morse) Thaw. Campbell and
>> Martin would go on to make Edge of Darkness for the BBC which is
>> spy-adjacent and one of my all-time favourites. It has nuclear power,
>> Gaia/James Lovelock and Thatcherism as its themes. Great stuff.
>>
>> A much harder to find series is Game, Set and Match from Granada TV (also
>> part of ITV). This flopped in the UK despite being held as being excellent.
>> It's based on a series of Len Deighton spy novels, but sadly has never
>> really had a proper release post its original 1988 broadcast. Ian (Bilbo
>> Baggins/Alien) Holm stars in it.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 2:04 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> I am a huge Le Carre fan, and have watched the BBC’s TTSS and SP several
>>> times (plus a Perfect Soy, and everything else that has come out on film
>>> Community ). I thought I had read all the books, but they seem to keep
>>> coming out with more tit

Re: [TV orNotTV] The Sandbaggers

[Adam Bowie]

Funnily enough I was at a screening of Blakes 7 at the British Film
Institute at the weekend. There's a sparkling new Blu Ray of series 1
coming out soon, and they were showing that off - two of the only three
original stars still surviving were in attendance. But the person in charge
of the restoration spoke about the standards of the time. Basically it was
on location filming on 16mm and very occasionally 35mm film. Then back to
the studio for the recording blocks for that. It was normal to have one 2-3
hour recording session in a studio with multi-cameras for a single episode
of a drama. The actors rehearsed ahead of time and then did it on the
night. Union rules meant that times were tight. This was how Doctor Who of
the era was shot too - but also the case for many other dramas right
through until the mid-80s. Then the sets would be struck in that studio and
the next night something else was recorded in the same place -- a sitcom or
anything. Standing sets for a show in production were an anathema.  Of
course, the UK didn't make 20-something episode long seasons. Only the
soaps got permanent sets.

As far as British spy series of the era go, a couple of others to look out
for are Reilly Ace of Spies starring a very young Sam Neill. It's all set
in the early 20th century against the backdrop of WWI and the Russian
revolution. It was made by Euston Films, part of Thames Television. That
was a prestige piece and was all shot on film, with loads of now familiar
people in the cast. Many episodes were directed by Martin Campbell who went
on to make several Bond films amongst others, and they were written by Troy
Kennedy Martin. He'd made The Sweeney for Thames before - a British hard
hitting action TV series starring John (Inspector Morse) Thaw. Campbell and
Martin would go on to make Edge of Darkness for the BBC which is
spy-adjacent and one of my all-time favourites. It has nuclear power,
Gaia/James Lovelock and Thatcherism as its themes. Great stuff.

A much harder to find series is Game, Set and Match from Granada TV (also
part of ITV). This flopped in the UK despite being held as being excellent.
It's based on a series of Len Deighton spy novels, but sadly has never
really had a proper release post its original 1988 broadcast. Ian (Bilbo
Baggins/Alien) Holm stars in it.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 2:04 PM PGage  wrote:

> I am a huge Le Carre fan, and have watched the BBC’s TTSS and SP several
> times (plus a Perfect Soy, and everything else that has come out on film
> Community ). I thought I had read all the books, but they seem to keep
> coming out with more titles. The source material and execution are superior
> to Sandbaggers, but that is no shame, as the Smiley stories are about as
> good as it gets in that genre. and Smiley is probably an even more direct
> influence on “Spooks” than Sandbaggers too. Still, so delighted to have
> discovered it.
>
> I did notice the difference between the look of the main studio action and
> the location shots, but that kind of added to the retro charm.
>
> I will keep an eye out for Marsden’s Dalgleish. I saw and enjoyed Bertie
> Carvel’s version on Acorn.
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 2:27 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Indeed, I do know it, and I have a DVD boxset of The Sandbaggers stored
>> away. That said, I've only watched it once, probably around 15 years ago
>> now, so perhaps it's time for me to revisit it.
>>
>> It was made by Yorkshire TV for the ITV network, and as was the style at
>> the time for most UK dramas, location work was shot on film, but studio
>> work was shot on video tape. I think in many viewers' eyes, that lowered
>> its "quality" a bit, but it was highly regarded and Roy Marsden is
>> excellent. He would go on to star as Det Inspector Adam Dalgleish in Anglia
>> TV's adaptation of PD James' detective novels in which he played an erudite
>> detective - a sort of precursor to Morse. (Note the Dalgleish novels have
>> been revisited in more recent times).
>>
>> I think The Sandbaggers isn't as well remembered because a year after its
>> 1978 debut, the Alec Guinness version of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy came out
>> and that was really a high water mark for cold war spy stories of the era.
>> It was a co-pro and so was fully shot on film. It was based on John Le
>> Carré's highly regarded novels and of course it starred Guinness, who was a
>> massive star appearing in everything from Ealing comedies through to Doctor
>> Zhivago and Bridge on the River Kwai. And of course, most recently at that
>> point, Star Wars. Plus, big movie stars didn't do TV at that time, so
>> getting him to make Tinker Tailor, and then afterwards Smiley's People, w

Re: [TV orNotTV] The Sandbaggers

[Adam Bowie]

Indeed, I do know it, and I have a DVD boxset of The Sandbaggers stored
away. That said, I've only watched it once, probably around 15 years ago
now, so perhaps it's time for me to revisit it.

It was made by Yorkshire TV for the ITV network, and as was the style at
the time for most UK dramas, location work was shot on film, but studio
work was shot on video tape. I think in many viewers' eyes, that lowered
its "quality" a bit, but it was highly regarded and Roy Marsden is
excellent. He would go on to star as Det Inspector Adam Dalgleish in Anglia
TV's adaptation of PD James' detective novels in which he played an erudite
detective - a sort of precursor to Morse. (Note the Dalgleish novels have
been revisited in more recent times).

I think The Sandbaggers isn't as well remembered because a year after its
1978 debut, the Alec Guinness version of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy came out
and that was really a high water mark for cold war spy stories of the era.
It was a co-pro and so was fully shot on film. It was based on John Le
Carré's highly regarded novels and of course it starred Guinness, who was a
massive star appearing in everything from Ealing comedies through to Doctor
Zhivago and Bridge on the River Kwai. And of course, most recently at that
point, Star Wars. Plus, big movie stars didn't do TV at that time, so
getting him to make Tinker Tailor, and then afterwards Smiley's People, was
a massive coup.

I guess that you've seen both of those, but if not, do find them. They both
remain for me some of my favourite dramas from the 70s and 80s, and it
annoys me sometimes that people think that TV didn't do serious stuff
really well until The Sopranos. They've been restored for Blu Ray so the HD
versions look fantastic. And also check out 1987's A Perfect Spy which is
also excellent, based on Le Carré's most autobiographical novel.


Adam

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 3:44 AM PGage  wrote:

> Amazon pushed this to me this weekend, by way of Brit Bix I think, and I
> inhaled the three short seasons (series). Shocked I had not heard of it
> before, as a little googling reveals it is highly regarded in the UK, has
> been run several times on PBS, and seems to clearly be a bit of an
> inspiration to one of my favorite shows of all time (and which I just
> rewatched for the 5th time earlier this summer) Spooks (MI5).
>
> I wonder if Adam, or anyone else who may be familiar with the show, know
> how it played originally in the late 1970s? These were the Carter years in
> the US, and the transition from the Labor government of James Callaghan to
> the ultra Tory government of Margaret Thatacher in the UK. The show reads
> as partly a love letter to Thatcherism, but it does seem several cuts above
> propaganda because it’s Thatcherite hero in MI6,  Burnside (who by my
> reading of twilight Cold War history was proven to be pretty much dead
> wrong), while being lionized in characterization is also shown to be flawed
> and mistaken in some of his judgements and schemes. But I can’t tell if he
> was seen at the time as a flawed and often misguided hero, whose
> antagonists were better than he gave them credit for being, and often right
> where he was wrong, or was the show catching an early Thatcher wave that
> saw itself as preaching the Gospel?
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Have I Got News for You

[Adam Bowie]

Re the points. In the UK version, they don't matter as mentioned, and you
can only *glimpse *the scorebox in a handful of very wide shots. The reason
is basically because rounds get dropped because they're not funny enough.
Then there's an ongoing running gag in the UK that Paul Merton [nearly]
always wins, and Ian Hislop loses. But the points only really "exist" as a
concept because there are two teams. If there are teams, then there must be
a score. QED.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 2:17 PM PGage  wrote:

> I was surprised by how much I liked the first show - so much better than
> “After Midnight.” It seemed like the point of the show is for the civilian
> is to be kind of a straight man, and I thought he was fine, though maybe he
> or Wood should have somehow brought in a little bit of who he was in real
> life. Wood was funny, but I agree the energy level was a bit off; it’s
> almost like they watched the first eek of After Midnight and decided
> whatever they did they wanted to avoid that desperate manic vibe. I know
> the points don’t matter but they hardly existed at all,  o scoreboard or
> explanation, so it sounded like a non sequitur when they were mentioned a
> few times late in the show.
>
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>
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else watch it? I have no familiarity with the British version, so
>> I can't compare it.
>>
>> For the most part, it wasn't very good. While I like Roy Wood Jr. a lot,
>> and run hot and cold on Amber Ruffin and Robin Thede, it was one of the
>> first times I've liked Ian Michael Black.
>>
>> The two biggest problems I found were 1) the Libertarian panelist. It
>> wasn't his politics (which mostly went unexpressed); it was that he was
>> basically a smart author forced to compete with four professional
>> comedians, and there aren't a lot of civilians who are equipped for that.
>> He was game, but out of his depth. (For example, in the closing "What Will
>> Be News Next Week?" bit, the other three gave humorous answers while his
>> was sober and serious.)
>>
>> The other, bigger, problem was that it felt like -- despite a live
>> audience -- there was a lot of dead air; it was a 30--minute show crammed
>> into a 60-minute slot.
>>
>> To be honest, probably the liveliest and most unexpected thing on the
>> show was the two unbleeped "motherfuckers." Guess CNN didn't go with a
>> seven-second delay.
>>
>> Hopefully, they'll solve some of the problems as they go along, but right
>> now, there's not a lot there.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Have I Got News for You

[Adam Bowie]

As far as I'm aware, the same company, Hat Trick, is making the US version
as has long produced the UK version. I suspect a bunch of the British team
has been in the US putting this together - at least initially.

The UK version is taped 24 hours ahead of broadcast, and usually tapes for
2-3 hours to make a 27 minute ad-free version for the BBC. A slightly
longer edit at 42 mins or so is available (and plays later on Dave&U in a
commercial hour). So I'd be amazed if the US show was live. It's one of
those panel shows where the scores don't matter and you simply drops
rounds/gags that don't work by massively over-recording and then producing
something a bit tighter.

Obviously, key to panel shows on the BBC is that they are commercial free
and 30 minutes (or 27 mins in reality) is tight enough to leave you wanting
more. I'm mostly not a fan of stretching shows out to a commercial hour
like this, and think it shows why these formats of programmes work in the
UK and don't in the US - at least to date.

To be clear, the UK show is now formatted with a weekly guest host  (often
the same guests working once a series), two regular team captains and then
a mix of comedians, politicians (if they're game), newspaper pundits, TV
presenters and others. They obviously need to have a grasp of current
affairs, and yes, it's tough to get a word in amongst three other
comedians. Ian Hislop, on the UK captains, isn't a comedian as such - he
edits the satirical magazine, Private Eye. But he's been doing this show
long enough that he can quip quickly. But they allow space for the
non-comic guests to come in. That said, you get weeks where the non-comic
seems to say very little and you guess that the editor has earned their
money finding even a few seconds of footage to show that they said anything
in the recording session!

I don't think they're showing this on the international version of CNN we
get here. But I'll keep an eye out. These  shows always take time to bed
in, although I'm sure they've made one or two non-broadcast episodes before
going live.



Adam

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> There are clips of the British edition available on the YT through Hat
> Trick Productions, the shows' (both UK and US) production company.  Longer
> videos are available through other YT sources, but I have no sense if they
> are 'official' or not.
>
> I have tried to get into the UK version, but much like my experience with
> 8 Out of 10 Cats (*not* 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown), I find I need to
> be more familiar with UK news and pop culture than I am to really enjoy the
> show.
>
> One main difference between the shows is that one of the UK team captains,
> Ian Hislop, has a mix of experience in writing and presenting for both
> comedic/satirical and straight-ahead programming.  Recent trends in late
> night television aside, I can't think of anyone in the US who would have a
> comparable resume outside of P.J. O'Rourke, and I don't think O'Rourke did
> television.
>
> One thing to factor in here, I think, is that much like the short-lived US
> attempt at Would I Lie to You, is that the UK versions of both shows have
> been at it for years.  Realistically there's no chance the US versions
> would look good compared to current episodes of their UK counterparts.
>
> David
>
> On Sunday, September 15, 2024 at 11:55:12 PM PDT, 'Dave Sikula' via
> TVorNotTV  wrote:
>
>
> Anyone else watch it? I have no familiarity with the British version, so I
> can't compare it.
>
> For the most part, it wasn't very good. While I like Roy Wood Jr. a lot,
> and run hot and cold on Amber Ruffin and Robin Thede, it was one of the
> first times I've liked Ian Michael Black.
>
> The two biggest problems I found were 1) the Libertarian panelist. It
> wasn't his politics (which mostly went unexpressed); it was that he was
> basically a smart author forced to compete with four professional
> comedians, and there aren't a lot of civilians who are equipped for that.
> He was game, but out of his depth. (For example, in the closing "What Will
> Be News Next Week?" bit, the other three gave humorous answers while his
> was sober and serious.)
>
> The other, bigger, problem was that it felt like -- despite a live
> audience -- there was a lot of dead air; it was a 30--minute show crammed
> into a 60-minute slot.
>
> To be honest, probably the liveliest and most unexpected thing on the show
> was the two unbleeped "motherfuckers." Guess CNN didn't go with a
> seven-second delay.
>
> Hopefully, they'll solve some of the problems as they go along, but right
> now, there's not a lot there.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Dancing With The Trash

[Adam Bowie]

Considering that Strictly is still one of the top rated shows in the
country... No...

Convicted criminals aren't top of the guest bookers' lists.


Adam

On Thu, 5 Sept 2024, 15:56 Mark Jeffries,  wrote:

> Alright Adam--in your neck in the woods would "Strictly Come Dancing" be
> desperate enough to book the UK equivalent of Sorokin? Would the BBC allow
> it?
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 7:47 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know why anybody bothers writing satire anymore.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:25 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> When even pond scum would be a step up.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/dancing-with-stars-cast-anna-delvey-sorokin-3570d25ba425915343ffc062152a0479
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Bad Monkey

[Adam Bowie]

I'm a massive Hiaasen fan, and this really seems to capture the tone of his
novels. For example, listen to the voiceover that does the recap of episode
one right at the start of episode two. Very funny.

This series seems to be pretty close to the book, and I'm all in.


Adam

On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 2:11 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> It’s based on a Carl Hiaasen book and he writes fun crime novels so I’m
> looking forward to watching it when I can make the time.
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 1:21 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Quirky murder mystery. Decent cast. Could’ve easily been a modern-noir,
>> but isn’t. I’m enjoying it.
>>
>> On the AppleTV+
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

And the real price for what is now known as Venu, has now been revealed as
being... $42.99.

So a bit cheaper than my $50 guess.

https://deadline.com/2024/08/price-of-espn-fox-wbd-sports-streaming-bundle-venu-1236028650/

"Linear networks offered via Venu include ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, ACCN,
ESPNEWS, ABC, FOX, FS1, FS2, BTN, TNT, TBS and truTV. Programming from
ESPN+ and on-demand fare from all three partners are also part of the
offering."

Maybe downgrading the value of TNT and TBS when WBD loses NBA rights -
assuming they don't win their legal fight to "match" Amazon.


Adam

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 10:33 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> So it sounds like it's going to cost $50 a month according to Lachlan
> Murdoch.
>
> https://www.threads.net/@pkafka/post/C4G76nFvjjo/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
>
> Which is precisely what I guessed it would cost :-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, 02:44 PGage,  wrote:
>
>> I have been reading a bit about this, and the main thing that comes
>> through is they still don’t really know what they are doing with this. For
>> some reason they had a need to announce this as a placeholder, while they
>> figure out the details.
>>
>> As Adam suggests, a lot of those details surround how the next round of
>> sports rights plays out. Almost certainly this means WBD is dedicated to
>> keeping the NBA, which will be a big price tag - and I wonder if they plan
>> to announce all or many NBA games will only be available on Max. This would
>> make having access via the new sports streamer a savings. Will ESPN then
>> also make all or some MLB or NFL only on Hulu or Disney+, creating a
>> similar savings?
>>
>> Also, does this mean Zaz really is determined to get Paramount, and add
>> its NFL, Golf and whatever else to the new bundle?
>>
>> I’m going to have Max and the Disney bundle no matter what, so still not
>> clear to me why I would pay $50 for sports I already have access to. But I
>> begin to see there may be a segment of the population that only wants
>> sports, not premium entertainment streaming, and may one day soon (not
>> today) find $50 a month for the Sports Blob is preferable to something like
>> YT-TV, Max and Disney Bundle (which would be around what, $100/month?). Is
>> that segment large enough to make a lot of profit? I suspect that is also
>> one of the things they really don’t know.
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 at 2:30 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess it's all about the maths.
>>>
>>> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
>>> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
>>> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>>>
>>> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
>>> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
>>> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month
>>> to be as profitable as they were before.
>>>
>>> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues
>>> for the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>>>
>>> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the
>>> NBA looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
>>> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
>>> you get big numbers quickly.
>>>
>>> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
>>> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
>>> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
>>> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
>>> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
>>> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the article:
>>>>
>>>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>>>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>>>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>>>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>>>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-di

Re: [TV orNotTV] Veteran BBC Anchor Accused of Kiddie Pron

[Adam Bowie]

Based entirely on reports, Edwards came off air in July 2023 and hasn't
been seen on screens since. He formally left the BBC in April, reportedly
resigning on "medical advice."

Reports now suggest that he was actually arrested in November 2023 and
charged last month. It's worth noting that Police mugshots are not normally
made public in the UK.

>From the Met Police: "Media and the public are strongly reminded that this
is an active case. Nothing should be published, including on social media,
which could prejudice future court proceedings."

A reminder again that we in the UK have very different laws surrounding
what can and cannot be reported until such time as any court trials have
taken place, compared with the US.


Adam

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 7:56 PM David Lynch  wrote:

> One of the Brits may be able to chime in with more, but I believe that he
> hadn't been seen on air in quite a while even before his departure. IIRC,
> he never returned from an extended "mental health" leave that began shortly
> after one of the tabloids published allegations that he paid a teenager a
> lot of money to send him pictures of herself. I believe the eventual
> conclusion was that there was nothing illegal in those pictures, but I
> guess either there was a reconsideration or something else turned up.
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 10:01 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Huw Edwards, a veteran of 40 years with the Beeb and anchor of what was
>> "The 10 O'Clock News" and now is "BBC News at Ten" (even if ITV's newscast
>> has been "News at Ten" for decades) and event coverage, mysteriously left
>> the pubcaster in April and now we know why--he has been accused to alleged
>> "indecent images of children" on WhatsApp:
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/29/world/europe/huw-edwards-former-bbc-anchor-charged-making-indecent-images-of-children.html?unlocked_article_code=1._E0.zIvM.i7a38iIOJ0o3&smid=url-share
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>> He will appear in court tomorrow.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC Apologizes for Alleged Mistreatment by 'Strictly' Pro Dancers

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 7:59 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

>  character actress Amanda Abbington, whose more-than-respectable
> career, if not star-making, was enough for me to take out the "D-list"
> pejorative from this post (among other things, her partner is Martin
> Freeman, Dr. Watson on "Sherlock," and she played Watson's wife on the
> series).
>

^^^former partner...

She and Martin Freeman are separated. (The story of her current partner is
somewhat tragic because he was a stuntman who suffered serious spinal
injuries that have left him partially paralysed after an accident in
Atlanta).


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Netflix Putting In 'Experiences' in Shopping Malls

[Adam Bowie]

I'm really scratching my head about how this is a sensible thing for
Netflix to be doing.

Do they have enough brands for this to make sense? I guess if they lean
into genre, there's Stranger Things, Brigerton, Wednesday etc. But what is
the experience for each of these? Just a series of sets in which you can
get lots of Instagram pics?

Certainly there'll be merch to sell, and food to buy. But this feels like a
"visit once" experience at best. But the article talks about 50 experiences
in 25 cities. And while I guess they can fit out old department stores with
the same set dressings made on scale, surely this will just get very tired
very quickly. And the cost of setting them up to begin with will be high?

That all said, I see a Friends experience is opening in London in one of
our most soulless convention centres. So what do I know?



Adam

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 4:08 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Right when malls need it, Netflix will open Netflix House in malls in
> suburban Philadelphia and Dallas next year, providing "interactive
> experiences" based on Netflix shows along with restaurants and bars where
> once-mighty department stores used to stand:
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/netflix-house-locations-details-venues/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Another change of venue for the next Tonys

[Adam Bowie]

I did the NBC studio tour back in 1986 on my first trip to the US. I
remember them playing a "Name that theme tune" game with us and being
pleased to get Cheers, which at the time was buried on Friday nights on the
still new-ish Channel 4 in the UK. I was unaware that it was part of NBC's
"Must See TV" Thursday night, and that basically the entire country knew
the tune.

I still have my Miami Vice baseball cap and an NBC mug from that visit!



Adam

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 4:36 PM Stan S  wrote:

> I believe there are still two tours. The Rockefeller Center tour and the
> NBC Studio tour.
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 11:22:58 AM UTC-4 Doug Eastick wrote:
>
>> I'm also looking for suggestions for an NYC visit, possibly in September
>> of this year.
>>
>> A tour of 30 Rock is a must for me, I'm also wondering what others might
>> suggest.   It will be a short trip for me (say a 4day weekend).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:40 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> We are going to NYC in August to see our daughters and want to take them
>>> to a show. What are a couple at top of your list?
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 2:58 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately, they'll also have writers, when the most entertaining
 part of the strike-bound shows were introductions and speeches without the
 strained banter.

 I've made my distaste for competitive arts award shows known here, but
 I must say that the Tonys gets it right more often than not, and this has
 been a particularly good year on Broadway, "Hell's Kitchen" 
 notwithstanding.

 --Dave Sikula

 On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 1:47:37 PM UTC-7 Bob Jersey wrote:

> After the strikes pushed them way uptown to that
> artistically-heavy-but-virtually-parking-free joint uptown, they're back 
> to
> a place more familiar to the Broadway industry, the Koch Theater at 
> Lincoln
> Center, which sadly does not have a wall that comes down between 
> production
> numbers and awards, making any transitions transparent to the audience...
> THR talks with producers Ricky Kirshner and Glenn Weiss about it...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/tonys-producers-show-stereophonic-1235919959/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Star Wars - Acolyte

[Adam Bowie]

I found this a bit ordinary, but then it's Star Wars and a 7-year old me in
1977 might have been more impressed.

Incidentally, I hard disagree on Andor which I believe was one of the best
TV series of the year in any genre. Just beautifully constructed and I
can't wait to see it return.

At least The Acolyte is better than Boba Fett, Obi Wan and perhaps on a par
with Ahsoka at this point. Only The Mandolorian and Andor are better thus
far...


Adam

On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 10:35 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> They should’ve named it “Crouching Tiger Hidden Jedi”. And they should’ve
> cast Chow Yun-Fat as Sol. Or they should’ve just used CGI on the sword
> fight sequences in the original Crouching Tiger to make the Green Destiny a
> light saber and rereleased that.
>
> I understand that most if not all art is derivative, and I already enjoy
> the series much more than the yawn-inducing Andor, but I had high hopes for
> a Jedi-centered Star Wars series, but… well… I need to stop getting my
> hopes up on Star Wars series.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Alleged Inspiration for 'Baby Reindeer' Character Suing Netflix for $120M

[Adam Bowie]

This has series has caused quite a stir in the UK TV production world, with
many saying that Netflix and the production company that made the series
did not do enough to disguise the people involved.

The "Martha" character outed herself publicly, but had already been "outed"
by internet sleuths who found her very easily. While they changed her name,
they left a lot of the wording of messages the same, they didn't change her
job and nor the city that it happened in. And while the series boldly
claimed that it was all "True" that seems not to be the case - particularly
with respect to how it finishes.

There are lots of people who have had true-life dramas made by broadcasters
like the BBC and ITV have said that those broadcasters would not have
allowed the script to be made as is.

While someone should always be able to tell their story, there is legal
jeopardy if you leave someone identifiable (and changing the name probably
isn't enough) and make claims about their behaviour that you can't back up.
Netflix in particular seems to have found itself repeatedly in hot water
over this, recently settling a case related to When They See Us, and still
facing action over Inventing Anna.


Adam

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 10:37 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Fiona Harvey, who claims that the character of Martha on the hit
> mini-series played by Jessica Gunning is based on her and also claims that
> the series made incorrect statements about her, saying that she was
> convicted twice for stalking and served prison time for sexual assault,
> which she claims never happened and that the service never attempted to
> verify anything:
>
>
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>
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> Harvey's name, which means that Harvey may have difficulty trying to prove
> that she was Martha in real life.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The return of "American Gladiators"

[Adam Bowie]

The BBC switched to the UK for The Wall too. But it has been cancelled
since. Just pointing out that there are more efficient ways of producing
expensive gameshows these days if they've been sold in multiple
territories.

I doubt that Amazon will be using the same Sheffield Arena set that the BBC
shoots it's version in either. Although if they did, it'd save cash.

(The Traitors is made in Scotland for the BBC and Peacock back to back by
the same production company. They both have the same games too which saves
cash. Just different presenters and contestants)


Adam

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, 10:32 JW,  wrote:

> > I think the same model was used in Europe for a gameshow called "The
> Wall"
> > (not sure if it made it to the US). At least for the first series, the UK
> > version was filmed on the giant purpose built set in Poland. The
> difference
> > there was that it had a studio audience who had to understand English,
> and
> > in particular the cockney-variant spoken by presenter (and actor) Danny
> > Dyer. You can do your own googling if you don't know who he is.
>
> According to Wikipedia, the American version is shot in Hollywood.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_(American_game_show)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The return of "American Gladiators"

[Adam Bowie]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 8:07 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Given how cost ineffective it is to produce this particular series, I
> don’t see it making enough for Amazon to produce more than a single season.
>
>
I don't know.

If they "reimagine" it cleverly it could work. In the UK, the BBC brought
back "Gladiators" as it's known here for the first time in many years
earlier this year, and it was a massive hit. Instant recommission and it
worked well with families. A new generation of "gladiators" was born.

And then I look at the Netflix show from South Korea called "Physical 100"
which has done very well. It came it at #15 globally in the Jan-Jun 23
Netflix data dump. Pretty incredible for a gameshow made in a language most
of the world doesn't speak.

So I think if Amazon, or the production company that produces it, can make
it right, it can work.

Also, if they're really smart, they could follow a "Wipeout" model for
producing the series. When "Wipeout"/"Total Wipeout" was doing well
globally there was a single fixed set built in Argentina. Each country
would fly its own presenters and contestants out there. A central team
filmed the series locally, and then all the local bits were added later. A
country could shoot episodes for a couple of weeks in a batch, fly out, and
the next country flew in. Rinse and repeat.

I think the same model was used in Europe for a gameshow called "The Wall"
(not sure if it made it to the US). At least for the first series, the UK
version was filmed on the giant purpose built set in Poland. The difference
there was that it had a studio audience who had to understand English, and
in particular the cockney-variant spoken by presenter (and actor) Danny
Dyer. You can do your own googling if you don't know who he is.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Israeli Eurovision Contestant Target for Protestors?

[Adam Bowie]

Yes - all kinds of shared footage.

In the past, even the Olympics would have been bought by Eurovision for
onward sharing by member stations across Europe (Warner Bros Discovery has
it these days, although they sub licence footage to many national PSBs
around Europe as required by law).

On Fri, 10 May 2024, 16:24 Mark Jeffries,  wrote:

> And doesn't the EBU provide shared news and events coverage with its
> member broadcasters?  That's where the "Eurovision" name comes from (and
> the blast of Charpentier's "Te Deum" that begins and ends Eurovision
> broadcasts).
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> Eurovision is very expensive, although I'm never entirely sure why. Costs
>> vary, but somewhere around $20m+ is probably fairly close. And from what I
>> can tell, that cost is essentially borne by the host country - the host
>> being the winner of the previous year's competition (the UK stepped in to
>> host for Ukraine last year having finished 2nd in 2022).
>>
>> But I'm not sure that it's true to say that it would never happen if
>> proposed today. The ratings are insanely good in most countries across
>> Europe. In the UK it's about 10m, which placed it third in 2023 behind only
>> the coronation (which isn't something that comes around that much) and the
>> finale of Happy Valley. And in some European countries it is taken *much*
>> more seriously than it is in the UK.
>>
>> And it has a bunch of things that continue to work in 2024. Years ago,
>> they transitioned from juries being the sole arbiters in each country to
>> phone lines and now online voting. That means audience participation. And
>> there's the reality-show style lead-ups in many countries that go about
>> choosing that country's entry (Not everyone does this. Someone in the UK
>> just *picks* our entrant these days.)
>>
>> Eurovision itself is much bigger than just the Song Competition. There
>> are other shared rights that member countries get access to. And these
>> days, a lot of classical music created by various state broadcasters around
>> Europe is shared this way. For example, many across Europe will watch the
>> New Year's Day Concert from Vienna which plays a lot of Strauss waltzes
>> (e.g. The Blue Danube) every year. The BBC Proms are shared across Europe
>> too.
>>
>> As for the booing - I'm sure that they have really good sound mixers on
>> the programme that means that they can easily turn up or down sections of
>> the audience that are doing anything that they don't like. For a show like
>> Eurovision, you would probably have lots of microphones scattered across
>> the audience that you can mix between. In Premier League football fixtures,
>> sections of the crowd will sometimes sing songs with words that can't be
>> broadcast, and the sound mixer will dip the relevant mics and bring up
>> others. And I'm sure they can "augment" the crowd mix if needed.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:57 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In an interesting piece behind a paywall, the Ankler said that the very
>>> expensive to run Eurovision song contest has kept going due only to
>>> tradition and that if someone would propose it today, it would be turned
>>> down in the wink of an eye. Of course, it was a much different beast in
>>> 1958, with everyone in formal wear singing in front of a house orchestra in
>>> a concert hall and no dancers or flashy special effects--and only seven
>>> contestants.  And it was reflecting the mainstream western European adult
>>> sensibility of easy listening music (none of that American rock and roll).
>>> Even in 1974, when ABBA basically began their international career at
>>> Eurovision, the production on their hit song "Waterloo" was understated
>>> compared to the overblown spectacle Eurovision has become--and the fall of
>>> the eastern Soviet bloc has made a big difference in what the contest has
>>> become.
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 8:38 AM John Edwards 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The EBU did apparently take steps to ensure that any booing last night
>>>> wasn't audible on the broadcast, and isn't above sweetening or inserting
>>>> sounds of cheering to ensure that any booing doesn't go out on TV. Social
>>>

Re: [TV orNotTV] Israeli Eurovision Contestant Target for Protestors?

[Adam Bowie]

Eurovision is very expensive, although I'm never entirely sure why. Costs
vary, but somewhere around $20m+ is probably fairly close. And from what I
can tell, that cost is essentially borne by the host country - the host
being the winner of the previous year's competition (the UK stepped in to
host for Ukraine last year having finished 2nd in 2022).

But I'm not sure that it's true to say that it would never happen if
proposed today. The ratings are insanely good in most countries across
Europe. In the UK it's about 10m, which placed it third in 2023 behind only
the coronation (which isn't something that comes around that much) and the
finale of Happy Valley. And in some European countries it is taken *much*
more seriously than it is in the UK.

And it has a bunch of things that continue to work in 2024. Years ago, they
transitioned from juries being the sole arbiters in each country to phone
lines and now online voting. That means audience participation. And there's
the reality-show style lead-ups in many countries that go about choosing
that country's entry (Not everyone does this. Someone in the UK just
*picks* our entrant these days.)

Eurovision itself is much bigger than just the Song Competition. There are
other shared rights that member countries get access to. And these days, a
lot of classical music created by various state broadcasters around Europe
is shared this way. For example, many across Europe will watch the New
Year's Day Concert from Vienna which plays a lot of Strauss waltzes (e.g.
The Blue Danube) every year. The BBC Proms are shared across Europe too.

As for the booing - I'm sure that they have really good sound mixers on the
programme that means that they can easily turn up or down sections of the
audience that are doing anything that they don't like. For a show like
Eurovision, you would probably have lots of microphones scattered across
the audience that you can mix between. In Premier League football fixtures,
sections of the crowd will sometimes sing songs with words that can't be
broadcast, and the sound mixer will dip the relevant mics and bring up
others. And I'm sure they can "augment" the crowd mix if needed.


Adam

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:57 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> In an interesting piece behind a paywall, the Ankler said that the very
> expensive to run Eurovision song contest has kept going due only to
> tradition and that if someone would propose it today, it would be turned
> down in the wink of an eye. Of course, it was a much different beast in
> 1958, with everyone in formal wear singing in front of a house orchestra in
> a concert hall and no dancers or flashy special effects--and only seven
> contestants.  And it was reflecting the mainstream western European adult
> sensibility of easy listening music (none of that American rock and roll).
> Even in 1974, when ABBA basically began their international career at
> Eurovision, the production on their hit song "Waterloo" was understated
> compared to the overblown spectacle Eurovision has become--and the fall of
> the eastern Soviet bloc has made a big difference in what the contest has
> become.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 8:38 AM John Edwards  wrote:
>
>> The EBU did apparently take steps to ensure that any booing last night
>> wasn't audible on the broadcast, and isn't above sweetening or inserting
>> sounds of cheering to ensure that any booing doesn't go out on TV. Social
>> media last night indicated that there was some booing, but I'm not sure if
>> it was as pronounced as during the dress rehearsal on Wednesday.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 7:42 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Singer Eden Golan has been told not to leave her hotel in Malmo, Sweden,
>>> except for rehearsals and performances, as throngs outside are protesting
>>> Israel's presence in the annual song contest--the song was originally
>>> entitled "October Rain," but the Eurovision bosses rejected it as too
>>> controversial, so it was rewritten and retitled "Hurricane" (video of song
>>> in link)--Golan's rehearsal yesterday was interrupted by boos from the
>>> audience, although no boos were evident during today's semi-final heat
>>> telecast (I'm assuming that Sweden's SVT is not sweetening the audience
>>> response like some American reality comps)--she made it into the Saturday
>>> finals after an all-viewer vote (the finals are at 3 p.m. ET in the U.S. on
>>> Peacock), as did the Irish rock band Bambie Thug, who had to change their
>>> costumes on Tuesday's semi-final heat when it was found that Celtic writing
>>> on the costumes said "CEASE FIRE" and "FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE":
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/eurovision-protests-israel-eden-golan-hurricane/
>>>
>>> The European Broadcasting Union of pubcasters who organizes Eurovision
>>> has always maintained that the contest is apolitical and that Israel's
>>> pubcasters are valid members of the organization, but politics has

[TV orNotTV] Gavin & Stacey Finale

[Adam Bowie]

UK TV news, but it involves James Corden so I thought it was worth sharing.

Corden and Ruth Jones posted earlier that they've finished the script for a
finale of Gavin & Stacey, the sitcom they created for three seasons between
2007 and 2010 which was massively popular at the time. Then there was a
Christmas special in 2019. Now most of the characters are expected to
return for a finale airing on Christmas Day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/gavin-and-stacey-return-last-ever-episode-christmas-day

I strongly suspect that this will be either the most watched, or at least
in the top three, TV shows in the UK this year. The 2019 special got 17
million viewers which is massive for the UK - only England in a World Cup
or Euros final would outstrip it.

As an aside, Corden was recently announced as a key speaker at The Podcast
Show, the UK and Europe's biggest podcast convention. However, to the best
of my knowledge, his podcast is exclusively available to SiriusXM
subscribers, and, er, you can't subscribe to SiriusXM in the UK. I assume
that this must be about to change.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Another Hollywood catfight

[Adam Bowie]

Sydney Sweeney is very much up and coming at the moment. Her role on
Euphoria was fine, although there are problems throughout that show that
the young cast aren't responsible for. And it must be said that most of the
leads are now seeing their careers on the rise.

She was great as a petulant daughter in S1 of The White Lotus, but it would
be easy to think she was playing herself which I'm not sure was the case. I
would concur that she was very strong in the small film Reality.

I've not seen her supporting role in Madame Web, her hit romcom from
earlier in the year or her recent horror film, Immaculate. But she's
obviously near the top of a lot of people's cast lists right now.

Whether she's always making the right choices, and whether her recent films
have been any good or not, I don't know, but there's no doubt that comment
was crass and unwarranted. You can say a film is bad, but 'not pretty and
can't act' is pretty abhorrent.



Adam

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 7:51 PM Melissa P 
wrote:

> I think Sweeney did a really nice job in the movie* Reality*.  It's good
> to see her trying to stretch her acting chops by taking on a role so
> obviously outside her comfort zone.
>
> She's obviously a very attractive young lady, but I think her best feature
> is her smile; it makes her onscreen appearance truly appealing.
>
> Other than *Reality*, I think I've only seen her on SNL and on NBC
> promoting SNL.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 2:38 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I had to look up Sydney Sweeney to see who she is and what she looks
>> like. I have heard of Euphoria but never seen it, and never heard of the
>> film in question. Was she in S1 of White Lotus?
>>
>> I won’t engage in the crass practice of rating the attractiveness of
>> actresses in their mid 20s, but she is obviously not “not attractive”, and
>> anyone who looks at her and pretends not to understand why she would be
>> appealing to straight men is being intentionally obtuse. She may not be a
>> great actress, but that is hardly a unique characteristic of stars of most
>> Rom Coms I am familiar with.
>>
>> Seems like a random drive-by…
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:01 AM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I get, for instance, that Taylor Swift is currently an “it girl”
>>> too, but I personally don’t understand the appeal. However, just because
>>> she’s not my cup of tea doesn’t mean I think she’s either ugly or
>>> talentless; I’m just not buying what she’s selling.
>>>
>>> I personally thought Buffy the Vampire Slayer (both the movie and the
>>> series) was contrived, poorly produced, and barely acted, but that doesn’t
>>> mean I think Carol Baum is ugly or talentless. But she does seem to have an
>>> embittered disposition, and I’m glad she was not one of my professors in
>>> college because I don’t believe she has anything to teach me.
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:38 AM M-D November 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I get that it's cool to go after the 'it-girl' (it-person?), and
 obviously personal preference is a thing (I, for instance, don't understand
 Taylor Swift's appeal), and maybe the criticism against "Anyone But You" is
 valid, but I (as a red-blooded heterosexual male) would be hard pressed to
 call Sydney Sweeney unattractive.

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:47:01 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:

> Sydney Sweeney gets called ugly and talentless by Buffy the Vampire
> Slayer producer Carol Baum during an interview with NY Times critic Janet
> Maslin. Maslin doubles down on social media by siding with Baum.
>
>
> https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68844159.amp
>
> Meow.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Suits' Comes to OTA Years After the Fact

[Adam Bowie]

In the UK, Suits was also sold to the BBC a few weeks ago, going onto
iPlayer alongside a couple of other NBCUniversal things that I hadn't heard
of (St Denis Medical and the Best Man series of films). Originally Suits
aired on "Dave" for six seasons before Netflix picked up UK rights from
season 7 the first time around.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/bbc-acquires-suits-st-denis-medical-and-the-best-man-the-final-chapters-iplayer

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 4:34 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> After Netflix picked up the rerun rights to the former USA Network legal
> blue sky procedural last summer and found a huge new audience for the show,
> MyNetworkTV, the Fox service that has quietly chugged along for years on a
> prime time diet of procedural and true crime reruns, has picked the series
> up for this fall:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/suits-coming-to-network-tv-fall-2024-1235874247/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7&recipient_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
>
> Let's be honest:  Do any MyTV affils outside of Fox-owned stations like
> WWOR NY, WPWR Chicago and KCOP LA even brand themselves with the remnant
> name from when Fox owned MySpace these days?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mulaney Does One-Time-Only LIve Star-Studded Mini for Netflix

[Adam Bowie]

I mean, amiable as he is, I won't be getting up at 3am to watch Mulaney's,
or anybody's, comedy specials.

That said, I'm not altogether sure that the show won't be available to
watch again after the live stream. I can't see reference to that in any of
the promotional information surrounding it. E.g. It's not mentioned on
Netflix's "Tudum" site:
https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/john-mulaney-everybodys-in-la-live-news

To the best of my knowledge, only one Netflix live event has really
troubled a mostly-non-US timezone so far. Their "Netflix Slam" tennis match
aired in European primetime - I think it took place in Vegas at noon local
time/3pm EST. But I didn't really have a reason to watch a non-competitive
tennis match ahead of, I don't know, an actual sports fixture that counts
for something. I did tune in for a few minutes out of interest, and was
mostly amused that one of their courtside interviewers was being shushed by
her interviewee because she was continuing to ask questions as one of the
players tried to serve. I didn't recognise any of the people involved but
they might have been sportsmen/women?

Amusingly, in my Netflix queue, the match is still there as something for
me to go back to and finish.


Adam

On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 3:31 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> If what I hear in the trailer included in the link is correct, "John
> Mulaney Presents: Everyone's in LA," a six-night live special from various
> Southland locations with the possible (emphasis on possible) participation
> of Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld and David Letterman, will stream on May 3 and
> then on May 6-10 at 10 p.m. ET and live around the rest of the world at
> local time (Adam, you'll have to watch it at 3 a.m. UK time)--and not be
> streamed again after the live telecast:
>
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/john-mulaney-presents-everybodys-in-la-stream-on-netflix/
>
> The series is based on a show Mulaney did at last year's Netflix Is a Joke
> festival in LA and just happens to stream while this year's edition of the
> festival, with an impressive list of comedy stars, is happening in the LA
> metro (and Mulaney will appear at the Hollywood Bowl as part of the
> festival on May 4).
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NoTV: BBC Podcasts Exclusively on Amazon

[Adam Bowie]

Doug, I can't claim to be the most frequent listener to Radio 1 these days
- it's a little outside my age demo these days. Radio 1's target audience
is 15-29 year olds. I'm more a 6 Music/late night Radio 3 listener these
days. But a couple of thoughts:

- Songs are pretty short these days anyway. And radio edits can be shorter.
I don't think Radio 1 does that speeding up/editing that some did (still
do?) in the past. But in a Spotify-world, shortness is a feature since
people listen to more tracks and artists get more chance to get more slices
of the pie. That said, I'm listening right now, and yeah - they get faded
out quite quickly.

- Yes, there will be lots of DJ speak. To be honest, that's radio's USP
these days. If they just broadcast what are essentially playlists, then
Spotify has already won. Obviously, not at the cost of the music, but
speaking directly to the listener is something streaming music services
can't do.

- And yes, you might have been listening to a show timed for UK listeners
sitting in their bedrooms doing their homework or whatever. So maybe
slightly more than average audience feedback. Also, the show is called
Future Artists, so you have to let listeners know who the artists are and
perhaps tell their story a bit.

As it happens, I've broken off my brand new Doctor Who Season 15 Blu Ray
boxset (Tom Baker circa 1977-78) watch to have a listen for a bit, and it's
actually quite a good listen. But now I have to get back to The Horror of
Fang Rock!


Adam

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:47 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> Adam,
> Your mention of BBC Sounds..
>
> I am now commuting an hour each morning and afternoon.   Sometime in the
> past few years I must have installed BBC Sounds on my phone, so one drive
> while I was tired of SXM, Terrestrial, Podcasts I hit the BBC Sounds app
> and listened to BBC 1 for a drive.  My impression is not about the
> music itself -- I'm ok with the music.  What did surprise me is the amount
> of DJ talking between each song (equivalent of "Shout out to Bob from Leeds
> that messaged us, and Tawny from New Zealand" between each song) and
> perhaps the abbreviation of songs.It didn't seem like they were playing
> each song in full (or each song is only 2:30 long).   Is BBC 1 usually
> hyper like this?   Or maybe it was because it was 9pm UK time.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NoTV: BBC Podcasts Exclusively on Amazon

[Adam Bowie]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> badly written article at best
>
>
Not as badly written as a Deadline piece the other day that somehow
conjured up a brand new BBC news TV channel specially made for going onto
FAST platforms like Pluto, Vizio and the rest.

In reality, it's the *same *BBC News Channel you might already get on cable
now being made available on FAST platforms. I guess that the
writer couldn't get their head around the idea that the regular channel
might also be able to get on a FAST platform. (CNN on the other hand,
*did* have
to make a new version for Max)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NoTV: BBC Podcasts Exclusively on Amazon

[Adam Bowie]

This is where work and this group intersect for me...

These titles are all on Apple Podcasts/Spotify/wherever-you-get-your
podcasts, and will remain so. They just come with ads in those places.

This deal means that *ad-free* versions are on Amazon outlets for a select
group of titles. I don't know the exact list, but yes, In Our Time is
likely to be there. The News Quiz is part of "Friday Night Comedy" and I'm
not sure about the story there as on podcast it's still delayed for four
weeks (in an attempt to get UK listeners over to BBC Sounds). I'm not sure
if that's continuing.

And prior to this deal, no BBC podcast was available on Amazon. Now they
all are - although only the select group of titles are ad-free.

The Apple subscription deal is similar, and actually launched in the US.
The difference is that you pay Apple a fee, and you get ad-free versions of
a select group of titles, including some that were never otherwise
available as a podcast. The Apple subscription deal is available everywhere
in the world *except* the UK.


Adam

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 3:14 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> I had thought that they were on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your
> podcasts, but it seems that the Beeb's for-profit arm BBC Studios made a
> deal with Apple for a subscription service that does not include the U.S.,
> so Amazon Prime and Music Unlimited subscribers can choose amongst over 50
> podcasts from the UK pubcaster--no indication in the article if "In Our
> Time" or "The News Quiz," mentioned in the past on this group, are included:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/bbc-podcasts-amazon-music-global-deal-1235853483/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oscars 2024 Ratings Up 4%

[Adam Bowie]

I watched the Oscars for the first time in years this year, with the
carriage moving from Sky to ITV meaning that it's now free to air (Also,
ITV *stream* it live on their ITV Hub app!). Jonathan Ross hosted a
pre-show bit in a London studio with a seemingly random selection of
people, and this was pretty dire. I don't mind Ross, but they needed a film
critic in the studio with him. A reminder that because US commercial
minutage is more than we're allowed in the UK, there's nearly always some
kind of UK studio team to fill some of those minutes.

Generally I thought the show was decent and mostly watched it on delay,
fast-forwarding through commercials and UK-segments where possible. Kimmel
was fine, and I did wonder for a short time whether the Trump critique was
actually real or not. Of course it was real.

The "In Memoriam" was terrible and the names were practically illegible to
me, by now watching on a 32" set in my bedroom. Unless you were watching on
4K on a 70" set or larger you were probably in the same boat. And the list
of names appearing like a set of CGI animators on a Marvel film at the end
was disingenuous. You can never include everyone, but at least show
pictures or something.

While I know it went down well with many, I hate hate *hated*  the five
actors saying lovely things bits for best actor and supporting actors. This
was like thickest of thick sugary treacle for me. I had to fast-forward
through them, so awful were they. Have I made clear how much I disliked
this?

It all finished super-late UK time, but I was invested enough by then to
check that Oppenheimer did indeed win Best Picture. And I enjoyed the
various Brits wishing their mothers Happy Mothers' Day and confusing
everyone in the US (It's timing is to do with Lent in the UK where it's
also known as Mothering Sunday).


Adam

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 12:56 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I liked the earlier start time, as it allowed by TiVo to buffer things and
> I could bloop the commercials, and still get to bed at 1030pm.
>
> I liked the approach of 5-former winners introducing the nominees for the
> acting categories.
>
> As for Kimmel, he did alright.I honestly thought the "mean tweet" he
> read was scripted, but now I'm hearing that it was real.   Here's an EW
> article on that.  Jimmy Kimmel was told not to read Donald Trump message
> at Oscars (ew.com)
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:43 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> But down 5% in the Demo.
>>
>> ABC seems to be taking a victory lap, but I would say this is in the low
>> average range of expectations. After last year I thought we might see one
>> more year of small gains in a final post Covid correction, before a return
>> to steady declines based on long term trends in linear TV. That is what
>> happened, despite two blockbuster, pop culture defining films in the mix,
>> one of which dominated the wins and the other the TV presentation.
>>
>> I thought the show itself was one of the best we have seen in recent
>> years; Kimmel not spectacular but steady, and most of the bits surprisingly
>> worked.
>>
>> Ratings last 4 years:
>>
>> 2021: 10.4M (No Host)
>>
>> 2022: 16.6M (The Slap)
>>
>> 2023: 18.8M (Maverick/Avatar)
>>
>> 2024: 19.5M (Barbenheimer)
>> I’m going to get in my early prediction for 2025 ratings: 19.4M…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2024/03/oscar-ratings-viewership-2024-oppenheimer-1235854597/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TNG episode with "current" reference remains banned in UK and Ireland

[Adam Bowie]

The BBC's airings - or lack of airings - of the episode are pretty clear,
and I think well known amongst British Trek fans. If you search old usenet
posts, you'll see plenty of discussion about it from the time. The BBC's
Genome site is easily searchable to find all episode airings.

TNG first aired in the UK on the BBC. But the last time the BBC had the
rights to TNG was in 2008, when they ended a weekly late-night re-run of
the series from the start. Here's the airdate details of that airing:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/b0080pcv

But the series had only run three times prior to that. It first ran in 1992
(two years after its first US broadcast which wasn't unusual at the time),
and later in 2002 and 2007. In each of those years, its early evening BBC2
broadcasts skipped the episode. You can again find all of this on the
Genome website which lists every airdate of every show aired by the BBC.

Plenty of other channels have aired TNG over the years in the UK, although
surprisingly, none is doing so right now. But back in the 90s, the episode
was released on VHS a few times, when retail tapes were available with
first two, and later four episodes per tape. Indeed, checking the dates, it
looks like you could buy the VHS of season 3 prior to the BBC actually
broadcasting it by several months! You had to rent episodes at Blockbuster,
if you didn't want to wait for the BBC airings. And the tapes very much
included The High Ground.

While I can't say what Sky did, they ran TNG fairly much non-stop for many
years. And while, even post The Good Friday Agreement, there were ongoing
concerns about anything destabilising an unsteady peace accord, I'm certain
that if the BBC was airing the episode by 2007, then Sky would have started
showing the episode too at some point.

These days, in the UK, I can stream the episode happily on either Netflix
or Paramount+, or buy the episode at Amazon/Google/Apple/wherever. And the
UK Blu Ray boxset remains available for purchase.

So "remains banned" wouldn't be accurate.


Adam

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 11:04 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> To be clear the state of the BBC, Sky, and RTE archives is so bad that
> nobody can confirm it didn’t eventually air. And there doesn’t seem to be
> any suppression of streaming the episode in the UK or Ireland.
>
> The more egregious statement is saying Mexican independence is an example
> of successful terrorism. The Napoleonic Wars and subsequent pushes for
> liberalization against an absolutist Spanish crown weakened Spain enough
> that they couldn’t hold on to their empire in Central and South America.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:53 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> "The High Ground" (S3E12), written by Melinda Snodgrass, has Data at one
>> point noting an "Irish unification of 2024"... BBC hasn't shown it since an
>> ovemight in Sept 2007, and no one checked, at least for this article,
>> whether RTE carried it...
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/banned-star-trek-episode-promised-015619693.html
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

So it sounds like it's going to cost $50 a month according to Lachlan
Murdoch.

https://www.threads.net/@pkafka/post/C4G76nFvjjo/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Which is precisely what I guessed it would cost :-)



On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, 02:44 PGage,  wrote:

> I have been reading a bit about this, and the main thing that comes
> through is they still don’t really know what they are doing with this. For
> some reason they had a need to announce this as a placeholder, while they
> figure out the details.
>
> As Adam suggests, a lot of those details surround how the next round of
> sports rights plays out. Almost certainly this means WBD is dedicated to
> keeping the NBA, which will be a big price tag - and I wonder if they plan
> to announce all or many NBA games will only be available on Max. This would
> make having access via the new sports streamer a savings. Will ESPN then
> also make all or some MLB or NFL only on Hulu or Disney+, creating a
> similar savings?
>
> Also, does this mean Zaz really is determined to get Paramount, and add
> its NFL, Golf and whatever else to the new bundle?
>
> I’m going to have Max and the Disney bundle no matter what, so still not
> clear to me why I would pay $50 for sports I already have access to. But I
> begin to see there may be a segment of the population that only wants
> sports, not premium entertainment streaming, and may one day soon (not
> today) find $50 a month for the Sports Blob is preferable to something like
> YT-TV, Max and Disney Bundle (which would be around what, $100/month?). Is
> that segment large enough to make a lot of profit? I suspect that is also
> one of the things they really don’t know.
>
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>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 at 2:30 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> I guess it's all about the maths.
>>
>> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
>> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
>> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>>
>> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
>> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
>> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to
>> be as profitable as they were before.
>>
>> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues
>> for the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>>
>> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
>> looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
>> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
>> you get big numbers quickly.
>>
>> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
>> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
>> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
>> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
>> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
>> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>>
>>> From the article:
>>>
>>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-to-launch-joint-sports-streaming-platform-this-year.html>
>>>  reported
>>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>>>
>>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
>>> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
>>> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
>>> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
>>> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
>>> basic cable).
>>>
>>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable
>>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
>>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
>>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
&g

Re: [TV orNotTV] Any fans of William Gibson's "Neuromancer" here?

[Adam Bowie]

Loved the Sprawl Trilogy and this book in particular. Fingers crossed that
it has a better run than The Peripheral got at Amazon.

Apple TV+ really has a niche in generally really good SF. And I'll keep
handing over my cash while they continue to do so, regardless of how few
overall viewers the service has!


Adam

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Graham Roland (Amazon's *Jack Ryan) *and JD Dillard have adapted the
> novel into a series, under Anonymous Content and Skydance, with entertainer
> Drake's DreamCrew also involved... AppleTV+ just picked it up...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/apple-neurmancer-series-william-gibson-1235925640/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Apple launches free sports app in US/CA/UK

[Adam Bowie]

I've just been playing with this and it's insanely basic. They've launched
it in the UK but only have the EPL in there. No EFL for fans of the other
72 football clubs. And no Scottish football at all. And there's
no Champions' League in there either. And there is zero consideration for
any other sport in the UK at all. So for many British sports fans, it's
next to useless right now. It feels like a placeholder app.

More than that, I'm really surprised how much they're leaning into gambling
on the app. Pull a fixture up, and you get a load of odds information right
up top, before you get to anything else. That really seems off-brand for a
company like Apple considering all the banned categories they have in their
app store and other places. I know sports gambling is exploding in the US
(gambling was loosened earlier here in the UK, so we've been through this
explosion already), but it won't all be pretty when more people get more
addicted to it.

Yes, you can turn off odds in the Settings, but it's *on* by default, and
you know that 99% of users will not play around in the Settings.

I guess that maybe Apple thinks that their app won't stand a chance in the
marketplace without having gambling odds built in. But you do begin to
wonder whether the next step is affiliate links to gambling sites that take
Apple Pay...

As I say, this doesn't feel on-brand to me.

[Yes, I know  that Disney has licenced its ESPN brand to a gambling
company, but they haven't yet opened sportsbooks in the Magic Kingdom, or
started allowing bets on what colour the fireworks will be over
Cinderella's castle, or who will win a footrace between Goofy and Donald.
Maybe that'll come alongside live lootboxes for the kindergartens! :-)  ]



Adam

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 4:22 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Not the same as AppleTV+... it's more an information source than one for
> actual content...
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/apple-launching-new-free-sports-app-for-iphone-1235832759/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] What Was Once IMDbTV is Now Amazon Freevee

[Adam Bowie]

AdWeek is reporting that Freevee is going to be shut down in the next few
months. Unsurprisingly, it seems that it's because there is confusion in
the ad market with Amazon having two discrete ad-funded streaming services.
It's pretty confusing for consumers too.

https://www.adweek.com/convergent-tv/amazon-sunset-freevee/

There are obviously some big investments on Freevee like the Judge Judy
series, and the resurrection of Neighbours. Neither concern me much
personally. I'm much more concerned about future seasons of Bosch: Legacy -
but I know season 3 has already started shooting, and I assume that it'll
just transfer back to the mothership.


Adam

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:33 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Weigel (parent of howbeit-mostly-OTA MeTV) might b!tch...     B
>
> Kevin M, to M-D November, Adam Bowie, and mark Jeffries, April 14th:
>
>> I vote for MehTV
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[Adam Bowie]

I found it amusing this morning to read in close succession about how well
Jon Stewart's segments are doing on YouTube following his return to TDS
immediately followed by reporting that John Oliver's segments are being
delayed. From CNN's Reliable Sources newsletter:

[image: image.png]
The delay will make zero difference in subscribers choosing to get Max
rather than wait a couple of days, by which time, the views will be lower
than they might have been. Also, there'll be dodgy copies on YouTube
filling up the slack. There are various "creative" ways to get around
YouTube's copyright systems.


Adam


On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 2:24 AM PGage  wrote:

> From Julia Alexander at Puck News and Parrot Analytics:
>
> “Discovery and HBO have strategically delayed uploading new segments from 
> *Last
> Week Tonight* to YouTube to drive more subscribers to Max. It may
> work—but I have a feeling it won’t. And based on host *John Oliver*’s
> recent tweet expressing consternation with the decision, he isn’t so sure,
> either.
>
> Here’s the main issue: Customers who wanted both Oliver’s show *and *the
> Max catalog in one package have likely already signed up for Max. But those
> watching *Last Week Tonight* segments religiously on YouTube (where the
> audience is younger) aren’t necessarily interested in paying for a service.
> Is Oliver worth an additional $15 a month, or is it easier to just wait
> three more days? My assumption is that most of the YouTube audience won’t
> upgrade for one talent they can literally “wait and see.” They’d probably
> rather watch only his most viral content in algorithmically recommended
> clip form, anyway.”
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 1:53 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> As Kevin points out, the YouTube delay is far from an indication of
>> turmoil with Oliver at HBO, but an attempt by HBO/Max to further monetize
>> him.
>>
>> I am not worried about Oliver financially, first because there is zero
>> chance Thomas takes the offer (not because Thomas is above taking it of
>> course, but because he undoubtedly has a much better retirement deal with
>> his current sponsors), second because even if he had to pay up, it is about
>> 12% of Oliver’s current HBO salary, and Thomas’ life expectancy is probably
>> shorter than that of Oliver’s show. I will have to ask my wife, who is a
>> bookkeeper for a CPA, if this kind of thing would be a tax deductible
>> business expense for Oliver as an independent contractor, assuming he made
>> it a key part of his next stand up act in the event he had to pay out.
>>
>> Oliver was very explicit that the $1M/year would come from his personal
>> accounts, but did not make the same disclaimer about the $2.5M Luxury motor
>> coach. I wonder if HBO agreed to pay for part or all of that in the event (
>> or if the maker agreed to donate it)?
>>
>> All in all: Hilarious and effective.
>>
>> Also, Oliver’s return was a clear, though no doubt unintentional,
>> illustration of why he is so much better at political humor than Jon
>> Stewart. While Oliver was also critical of Biden, his critique was not just
>> hack “Biden so Old”, but aimed at his pale and weak attempts to reign in
>> Netanyahu. That is a real and substantive critique (and complex enough that
>> I myself do not unambiguously agree with it, though I respect it).
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 9:39 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> John Oliver returned from hiatus with a bang. He offered Clarence Thomas
>>> $1 million a year and a $2.5 million motor coach if he resigned from the
>>> Supreme Court within a month.
>>> Normally, I could post a YouTube link to that part of the show. But HBO
>>> hasn't posted the show yet. Here's a link to a poor pirated copy. The offer
>>> is around the 31 minute mark.
>>> https://youtu.be/YceyOgpj_RE?si=c1d7MPnHBv990oui
>>>
>>> I wonder if this indicates turmoil at HBO over the show.
>>>
>>> Oliver said he is paying Thomas' salary personally, not HBO. I am
>>> guessing left leaning millionaires will chip in if it means Thomas is off
>>> the court.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: Dakota Johnson Didn't Say That

[Adam Bowie]

I wholeheartedly agree with the piece and the overblown reaction to Johnson.

What I can't tell is to what extent that really impacted on the film's
opening. Poor reviews and particularly, poor word of mouth are likely to
have been bigger issues surely? I'm not saying TikTok memes can't make or
break a movie, but so can sub-par CGI and highly tangential characters who
are basically unknown to all but the biggest comics diehards.

I didn't go and see this film mostly because I heard it was bad and read
some really bad reviews, not because of a media narrative was that made the
case that Johnson hated the film herself.


Adam


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> THR's Richard Newby says that in the rush to amp up the clickbait and play
> "Kick the Nepo Baby" and "Dogpile on the New Marvel Movie," Johnson's
> typical press tour deadpan and bluntness while plugging "Madame Web" was
> blown way out of proportion, making what she said far worse than it really
> was:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/madame-web-press-tour-dakota-johnson-1235827795/
>
> But if the celeb press and social media wanted to make sure "Madame Web"
> bombed in its first weekend, they sure as hell succeeded.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl Ratings

[Adam Bowie]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 3:34 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> What verifiable data is being supplied to or by Nielsen to support these
> numbers? I feel like the networks and streamers distrust ratings unless the
> numbers serve them. And I’ve not seen evidence that streaming services are
> sharing user data needed to accurately report ratings.
>
>
>From reports it looks like the number is a combination of Nielsen Fast
National data combined with streaming numbers via Adobe Analytics. My
presumption is that CBS themselves crunched the numbers on that because no
matter how you were streaming CBS - whether via Paramount+, via YouTube TV
or some other way - you're still hitting CBS/Paramount servers so they have
that information.

Obviously some people may have, say, started on P+, had a bad experience
and switched to broadcast. But that'll all get averaged out in the data.

What's particularly important here is that they're providing a number who
watched the whole game. It goes up to over 200m for people who watched a
bit of the game. When streamers talk about numbers they can be anything
from 30 seconds upwards of watch-time counting as a view, whereas a
traditional TV number is an average of people who watched the whole show.
So yes, more people probably watched the end of a tight game than saw the
beginning, but it gets average out.

Personally, I made it until just after half-time (Usher isn't really my
thing), and then slept because by then it was 2.30am on a workday... Woke
up to the score but would happily have stayed up to watch it otherwise. Sky
Sports took CBS commentary supplemented with their own presenters in a
booth somewhere in the stadium. ITV used NFL Network branded pictures and
had their own British commentator alongside a US colleague, again
supplemented with presenters in a stadium booth - I assume right next door
to Sky's booth.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Stewart to return to "The Daily Show" as EP and part-time host through 2024 election

[Adam Bowie]

Correcting myself. Comedy Central UK is showing all weekly episodes.

The Monday Stewart episode airs at 11pm Tuesday. The Tues-Thurs episodes
will air around 3.45am a day or so later. So Tuesday's episode actually
airs Thursday at 3.45am.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 8:13 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Looking at UK TV schedules, it seems that we're getting the Jon Stewart
> episodes of The Daily Show, but *only* the Stewart episodes.
>
> Comedy Central UK had dropped episodes sometime last year, even though
> they only aired on Comedy Xtra (their second channel here) at around 3.00am
> in the morning, around 24 hours after episodes aired in the US. Obviously,
> ratings at that time were basically zero, and Paramount probably saw it as
> too much hassle to even air in the middle of the night.
>
> In practical terms it meant that viewers couldn't realistically watch
> Monday's episode until Wednesday sometime. The new Monday episodes look
> like they're getting shown at 11.00pm on Tuesdays.
>
> Still if Stewart is regularly throwing forward to later in the week
> episodes, that's going to be a bit weird. Personally, I do miss those great
> Jordan Klepper bits. I know there's YouTube, but CC tend to geo-block
> everything so I have to fire up the VPN.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:29 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt anyone will be surprised to hear I'm very leery about this. On
>> his Late Show appearances, he seemed to be leaning a little too hard into
>> COVID conspiracies, and (for me) too much of his work on TDS was
>> both-sidesing things for which there were really only one side.
>>
>> I'll watch, but with a wary eye.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 9:19:17 AM UTC-8 M-D November wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/2024/01/24/jon-stewart-daily-show-host-return-election
>>> - among other places.
>>>
>>> 🤯
>>>
>>> M-D
>>> ...and now, your moment of Zen.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Stewart to return to "The Daily Show" as EP and part-time host through 2024 election

[Adam Bowie]

Looking at UK TV schedules, it seems that we're getting the Jon Stewart
episodes of The Daily Show, but *only* the Stewart episodes.

Comedy Central UK had dropped episodes sometime last year, even though they
only aired on Comedy Xtra (their second channel here) at around 3.00am in
the morning, around 24 hours after episodes aired in the US. Obviously,
ratings at that time were basically zero, and Paramount probably saw it as
too much hassle to even air in the middle of the night.

In practical terms it meant that viewers couldn't realistically watch
Monday's episode until Wednesday sometime. The new Monday episodes look
like they're getting shown at 11.00pm on Tuesdays.

Still if Stewart is regularly throwing forward to later in the week
episodes, that's going to be a bit weird. Personally, I do miss those great
Jordan Klepper bits. I know there's YouTube, but CC tend to geo-block
everything so I have to fire up the VPN.


Adam

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:29 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I doubt anyone will be surprised to hear I'm very leery about this. On his
> Late Show appearances, he seemed to be leaning a little too hard into COVID
> conspiracies, and (for me) too much of his work on TDS was both-sidesing
> things for which there were really only one side.
>
> I'll watch, but with a wary eye.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 9:19:17 AM UTC-8 M-D November wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2024/01/24/jon-stewart-daily-show-host-return-election
>> - among other places.
>>
>> 🤯
>>
>> M-D
>> ...and now, your moment of Zen.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Streaming's BIggest Shows Are Just TV (Big Deal)

[Adam Bowie]

I agree that this slightly muddled thinking.

First off, although there are lots of serialized dramas on streaming, there
are also episodic shows. Poker Face and even the new Mr & Mrs Smith are
largely episodic. The aforementioned The Lincoln Lawyer is in fact a
serialized drama, as is, AFAIK, Virgin River. Sure they could air on
network TV, and there's nothing to stop network TV making such shows.
Indeed, it's pretty obvious following the success of Suits last summer that
we're about to be deluged by soapy legal shows.

But shows were made on an industrial scale to meet an economic need. They
had to fill a September to May schedule, and ideally reach 100 episodes as
quickly as possible for syndication. Audiences got trained to expect the
same show airing year around, but now audiences are quite capable of
getting used to 10 episodes once a year, or once every 18 months.

I mean why stop at 22? In the sixties, some series would run 30+ episodes a
season. Should we go back to that?

*Marketing* shorter run shows might be a little harder, and I definitely
think Netflix in particular is bad at this. They also seem to be the one
outlier in still dropping everything at once, or at least in two tranches.
But that's just bull-headedness at this point, like not putting some of
their films in cinemas.

(Sidenote: I had to switch on my VPN to read that piece because lots of US
newspaper groups still can't cope with European privacy regulations and
just don't bother).

On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 3:31 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> There’s a flaw in the reasoning here. If you ask fans of a series if they
> want more or fewer episodes, of course people will say they want more of
> what they like. But I believe most people who aren’t just using TV as white
> noise would prefer fewer well written and well produced episodes to a 22
> episode run of an assembly-line procedural like Law and Order.
>
> Oh yeah, there’s also the fact that Preston Beckman molests collies.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Chicago Tribune TV critic Nina Metz, a huge supporter of the 22-episode
>> once-a-week season that steamers seemed to be getting away from to be more
>> like HBO (although as an avid ACAB person, she wouldn't mind if there
>> weren't any police procedurals), asked former network exec Preston "The
>> Masked Scheduler" Breckman about this, pointing out the recent report that
>> the most popular shows on streaming are familiar TV (including that USA
>> Network blue sky show starring the Duchess of Sussex)--Breckman replies
>> that there are already shows on streamers (like Netflix's "Virgin River"
>> and "The Lincoln Lawyer") that would fit in a traditional television
>> schedule and that basically, the more TV tries to change, the more it
>> remains the same:
>>
>>
>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/02/07/column-most-watched-shows-of-2023-are-not-what-you-think/?share=trocnchwanhbhtmsuybt
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

I guess it's all about the maths.

When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.

To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that might
be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to be as
profitable as they were before.

Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.

But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
you get big numbers quickly.

I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.



Adam

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:

> From the article:
>
> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a later
> date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that the
> price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
> month for its basic plan. CNBC
> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-to-launch-joint-sports-streaming-platform-this-year.html>
>  reported
> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>
> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
> basic cable).
>
> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable TV
> without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>
> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>
>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
>> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
>> charging for it.
>>
>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots
>> of price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
>> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
>> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>>
>> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
>> everything the three players have to offer.
>>
>> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
>> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
>> in.
>>
>> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
>> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
>> But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
>> games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
>> Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
>> Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
>> are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
>> you a good idea of what you might have to pay.
>>
>> I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their
>> parent company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan
>> might complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might
>> have their own pl

Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Adam Bowie]

The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.

I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
charging for it.

The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots of
price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.

Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
everything the three players have to offer.

And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
in.

By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
you a good idea of what you might have to pay.

I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their parent
company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan might
complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might have
their own plan for company's sports rights.


Adam


On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts
> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on
> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which
> would involve negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders,
> e.g., Bally Sports in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.
>
> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL
> and NCAA coverage.
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and
>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games,
>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's
>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw
>> in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:
>>
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl ratings

[Adam Bowie]

I saw in Matt Belloni's latest email that last week's divisional game got a
record 50.4m viewers. So I assume that yesterday's will top that. Belloni
predicts record breaking Super Bowl ratings - although I wonder if that is
Swift fans, and not just the fact that, in the US, NFL is the monoculture
now? Wouldn't most Swift fans have been watching the Super Bowl anyway?

Broadcast isn't going away any time soon, with the existing contracts
running through to 2033 or something. I'd suggest that the ability of
the NFL to maintain audiences will be more down to its cultural importance
going forward.

[Side note: The UK, and many other European countries, have lists of
sporting events that have to be carried on free-to-air TV. That ensures
that games like the World Cup Final, Wimbledon tennis, the FA Cup Final and
others are not exclusively on pay-TV. It helps maintain their cultural
value even if the sports bodies that own those events can't necessarily
maximise those rights' values. The big outlier here is the Premier League,
which is not protected in this way for live games. So they're exclusively
on pay-TV networks - Sky, TNT Sport, Amazon - with only highlights
protected, currently Match of the Day on the BBC. Yet, the Premier League
remains the popular sports competition in the country, just with nowhere
near the pro-rata live audiences that the NFL gets.]


Adam

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 5:00 AM PGage  wrote:

> I think we are still some years off from the Super Bowl being exclusively
> on Peacock or some other streamer (this year you will have the option of
> watching on P+).  And while it is difficult to make predictions about
> absolute broadcast ratings these days, it is a lock that for as long as
> linear television is a thing, the NFL will increasingly be what keeps it
> alive, Swift or no Swift.
>
> But I guess Steve’s question really is whether Swift fans who did not
> previously follow the NFL will start after sampling the Super Bowl due to
> her influence. To a large extent that has been the rationale behind the pop
> music halftime concerts of course. The NFL has been obscenely successful,
> so maybe that does work to some extent, and maybe we will see some
> SwiftEffect on the margins. I suspect any significant Swift Effect though
> would result from a long term relationship between her and Kelce, with her
> continuing to post pics on her social media of her watching and enjoying
> football.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 3:41 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> As we are at the twilight of broadcast television, it is difficult to
>> predict how the SuperBowl will fare when viewers must stream it. Sports has
>> maintained ratings compared to other produced series, but sponsors are
>> starting to realize that doesn’t automatically lead to audiences buying
>> advertised products (in fact, rarely does it lead to that).
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 3:37 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> So Super Bowl ratings will spike this year since Taylor Swift will
>>> likely be there. She is scheduled to play Feb. 10 at the Tokyo Dome. That
>>> gives her enough time to take her private jet to Las Vegas for the Super
>>> Bowl.
>>>
>>> My question is, will this spike have a lasting effect? Will more people
>>> watch the Super Bowl in following years, even if Taylor is not there? I
>>> think it will.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Masters of the Air

[Adam Bowie]

I guess since it was based on an original book, the characters really did
have nearly the same name? It's the sort of thing that a TV drama would
never do, but might regularly happen in a random workplace.

In fact, I found it harder to tell anyone apart when they're all wearing
face masks over 10,000 ft while flying identical planes and wearing
identical uniforms. At least Austin Butler's voice is deep enough that you
can't confuse him with anyone else.

I did find the scene in the pub in episode 2 amusing when the Americans and
the British are being goaded by the British RAF officers. Except that
Butler aside, the two main "Americans" in that scene were the British
Callum Turner and the Irish Barry Keoghan. And Keoghan's character later
has to briefly "put on" an Irish accent...

Fun fact: I cycled past an external set of this production back in June
2021! All I saw at the time was a roped off crashed and burnt out cockpit
in a field, alongside the usual tell-tale signs of a film crew at work.
Wiki says that production began in February that year. So this has been a
long time coming.

I really liked this and will be sticking with it. Apple TV+ easily has my
highest hit-rate for streaming services right now.


Adam

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:47 AM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> When I first saw the title, I thought it was going to be about the early
> days of radio broadcasting, but then realized I was confusing it with a
> 30-year-old nonfiction book (and Ken Burns documentary) called "Empire of
> the Air."
>
> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
> Let’s tell a WWII drama where all the guys dress alike, then give the two
> lead characters the same names. That won’t be pointlessly confusing at all.
>
> What is Tom Hanks putting in his coffee?
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 3:11 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The follow up question is not, “why isn’t this show doing better?” It’s
> “what could CBS possibly put on in this time slot that would do better?”
>

They could probably just schedule reruns of "NCIS: Anywhere-on-the-planet",
and they'd probably improve the audience. But I guess that doesn't reach
*new* audiences.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Netflix Grabs 'WWE Raw' from USA

[Adam Bowie]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:54 PM M-D November  wrote:

> Would I be right in interpreting this to mean that the Netflix deal
> effectively shutters the WWE Network standalone service internationally,
> much as the Peacock migration did in the US?


They haven't said as much, but I think it will do in due course. The WWE
will have done rights deal with various outlets globally that might not let
them switch to Netflix everywhere in January 2025, hence the headline
reference only to RAW, and only to a few territories. But it's clear that
as those other deals expire, Netflix will pick everything up. The press
release's boilerplate mentioned WWE Network, but it also mentions lots of
the major partners that they'll slowly be unwinding from over the next few
years! https://corporate.wwe.com/news/company-news/2024/01-23-2024

In the UK, *everything* changes in January next year. The current rights
deal is with TNT Sport (seemingly now Warner Bros. Media's global sports
brand). Interestingly, here TNT Sport is also home to UFC, and I think one
of the ideas of the formation of TKO which owns both WWE and UFC was to
sell the rights together as a powerful package. It seems clear that this is
not the case right now, although I guess that UFC rights are likely to be
at a different stage in their existing rights cycles, so perhaps down the
line they end up on Netflix too once current deals are nearing the end of
their contracts?

One other thing I'd note is that this seems to remove the opportunity for
big PPV events outside North America. It seems that everything goes to
Netflix. So that loss of revenue must be priced in under this deal.

Overall, an interesting entry-point for Netflix and live TV on a regular
basis. With viewership in the ~1m range in the US, it shouldn't be too much
of a technical hurdle to serve all those live streams, even allowing for
Latin American audiences watching live too. For the rest of the world, I'm
certain that WWE audiences for things like RAW are mostly next-day
time-shifted.

This is probably a great deal for WWE too in keeping them in front of
audiences.

Personally, it's of zero interest, but academically it's fascinating.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Adam Bowie]

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is their
> acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a master of it,
> bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully throws a
> writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem with
> After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points whether or
> not it’s actually funny.
>
>
I think that's why you have to edit ruthlessly on this type of show. I
don't think it's a problem that in the final show, most jokes do, rather
than don't work. But you should lose a good 50% of what you record. And I'm
just not sure you can do that successfully if you're recording only a few
hours before broadcast. Of course, if you're smart, you can lean into
things that don't work. Reference the fact that nobody in the audience gets
it.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Adam Bowie]

I've watched a few minutes of this, but I'm not sure I can stomach the
entire thing. What I would point out about the various British comedy panel
shows - and we have a lot of them - is that there are a few things in
making them good:

- They're mostly 30 mins, and not 60 mins. They record for much longer, and
then get ruthlessly edited down to a tight 30 minute show. An episode of
Have I Got News For You or QI might record for getting on for two hours.
And unlike sitcom recordings, they're not repeating scenes with new
dialogue lines. Yes - shorn of ads on YouTube, it's 39 minutes, but I'd
still be looking for a 26 minute version of this with just the best
material.

- These shows usually only record one a week. That's because they' re not
super-easy to do.

- The ideal structure doesn't rely too much on obvious point-scoring
meaning that you can edit around unfunny bits without viewers questioning
how one team's score jumped from x to y for no reason. When I watched some
previous episodes of After Midnight before, I couldn't work out why there
was such an importance placed on point-scoring. It's not Jeopardy. Nobody
really cares! If it's a straight gameshow then of course you want to see a
contestant win some money/kudos/whatever. And with sports you have an
affiliation with one team over another. But honestly, nobody really cares
about the points in a panel show. The only exception to this is if there's
a running joke about one side always losing.

I'm not totally sure why this exists in this spot in the schedule. There's
no obvious virality to it, and you've got to hope that it's being made for
YouTube views as much as linear viewing. Having things in the news to
bounce off is good, although obviously limits repeatability, but I think
doing multiple editions per week is going to wear quickly.


Adam

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:46 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> First episode free on YouTube
>
> https://youtu.be/3RI5tgjjwTA?si=Q9xIZx77zPaZU8c4
>
> She’s a better host than the alleged sexual predator who was “cleared” of
> wrongdoing by his own lawyer.
>
> The show is just not geared to me. If you watch any British panel TV show,
> or listen to any British panel radio show, it’s agonizing to endure the
> American equivalent. In the UK the panelists are just there amusing
> themselves, and if the audience happens to laugh, fine. In the US,
> panelists just so desperately want to be loved, like every answer to a
> question should be followed up with a wink to the audience and the words
> “am I right?!” screamed at full volume.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 6:57 AM Jon Delfin  wrote:
>
>> I got a lot of reading done during the show.
>> Not even Paul F. Tompkins will get me to watch ep #2.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 8:04 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't watch it..The forced laughter was horrible. And I liked all
>>> three panelists.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024, 1:31 PM David Risner  wrote:
>>>
 She’s one of my favorite comics. I think that it’ll come down to how
 good the writers are and how much the studio/producers/directors try to
 make her bland to try to attract the widest audience vs letting her be
 herself to attract a good core audience.

 -- David

 On Jan 13, 2024, at 6:52 PM, Dave Sikula  wrote:

 
 If the sample game Colbert played is any indication, there will be no
 jokes, so the work will be that much harder.

 --Dave Sikula

 On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 05:36:33 PM PST, 'David Bruggeman' via
 TVorNotTV  wrote:


 They don't even have a clip of the show on its Paramount + or Facebook
 pages.

 I have my expectations set about as low as they were for the Hardwick
 edition, so I'll probably like it.  My only concern is whether it can
 really fill an hour.  The show seemed to work best with a high joke volume,
 and that takes a lot of work.

 Best,
 David

 On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 01:53:45 PM PST, Jeff Metzner <
 jmetz...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I was surprised they didn't have a clip of the show on Colbert. I know
 they probably won't film the premiere until the day of or the day before,
 but surely they must have made some test shows?

 Anyway, I also set a Season Pass. I wonder what percentage of current
 TiVo owners are in this thread?

 On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-5 Doug Eastick wrote:

 I just watched her interview too.  Meh.
 I have low expectations for anything after 1130pm.

 I have set a TiVo Season Pass.


 /Doug
 eas...@mcd.on.ca

 On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 19:18 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
 tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Just watched "comedy superstar" Tomlinson's appearance with Colbert
 last week, and my initial impression is that she's unfunny and bland enough
 that she won't distract from the guests

Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Sopranos' Creator: Tee Vee Sux

[Adam Bowie]

Whatever you think of The Sopranos, I think Chase is right.

Yes, there's still Succession, Fargo, The Bear, White Lotus and so on being
made. But I'm not going to kid myself that this is what Netflix et al will
be producing for the most part in the future. The most popular drama on the
recent Netflix data dump was The Night Agent, which frankly, is rubbish. I
only managed one episode. A bit more swearing than a network show, and
perhaps more sex (I don't know), but otherwise, it might have aired on CBS.

And it just feels to me that we're getting more of these "gourmet burgers"
as Netflix's Bela Bajaria put it herself. In other words, if NCIS is
McDonalds, then The Night Agent is McDonalds with fancier presentation and
slightly better ingredients. But only very slightly. But just as I might
like a burger and fries from time to time, I also like to eat better food,
and that's what it feels like is going away. Like a town where the only
restaurants are chain fast food places.

Amazon's hottest show right now is Reacher. And it's absolutely... fine.
It's definitely not exceptional in any way. It has more cash spent on it
than a network show - the action sequences are better. But it's still very
obviously Canada doubling for the US for tax reasons, and has an
A-to-B-to-C plot that is not going to challenge any viewer who is also
scrolling TikTok at the same time. I've no doubt it works well globally
because there's not even an enormous amount of dialogue to translate/dub.
Nobody ever got poor on selling big guys firing big guns.

It's just a televisual reversion to the mean.


Adam

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 4:18 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I think if Chase checks, there was dumbed down TV 25 years ago, too. And
> although I liked (but did not love) The Sopranos, I wouldn’t classify it as
> smart TV. It was well made TV, but it wasn’t smart TV.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> In an interview with the Times of London (which is behind a pay wall),
>> David Chase says that the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "The
>> Sopranos" should be considered "a funeral," not a celebration, and that
>> television is starting to dumb down again:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sopranos-david-chase-tv-dumb-interview-1235787462/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy! UK - the Stephen Fry Edition

[Adam Bowie]

The allowable break structure for UK commercials is a whole can of worms.
Ofcom, the UK regulator, has strict rules about the number of breaks, the
duration of ads, and the distribution of the break structures. Ordinarily a
show between 45 and 59 minutes (which Jeopardy! UK would count as),
would only be allowed two *commercial *breaks. Oh, and you can't place an
ad-break right near the end of a show because there would be too little
time between breaks. That's why they've gone for the middle of Double
Jeopardy! rather than before Final Jeopardy!

In the shows I've seen, there are three breaks - at the ends of rounds one
and two, and also in the middle of Double Jeopardy! That would seem to be
against the rules. Except the third break in the UK doesn't actually
contain any commercial messaging - just trailers for other ITV shows. And
that's allowed. I think the show has been built with that structure to
allow it to air elsewhere (e.g. Australian TV is also taking the Stephen
Fry UK episodes).

It's a weird workaround, and you can read our rules in detail here if you
want to:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/16328/rules.pdf

The more obnoxious thing commercial broadcasters do to get around rules is
commonly used on some channels in movies. Because there are limits in how
many breaks you can place in a movie, the workaround for broadcasters is to
essentially place an intermission where a rubbish five minute
"entertainment" show is added. This means the film is in two separate
parts. And it basically allows an extra break to be inserted. It makes a
mockery of watching the film and having to endure mind numbing rubbish in
the middle, with extra ads. Obviously I would never watch a film on a
channel that does this.




On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:46 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> Three rounds of "Jeopardy!" in a one-hour slot is not unknown to Americans
> - that's the format of the prime-time "Celebrity Jeopardy!" series. (In
> that case, dollar amounts are 1x/2x/3x, although the first round values are
> $100 to $500 - on regular "Jeopardy!", the first round values have been
> $200 to $1,000 since 2001.)
>
> I saw the first UK episode, and to me, the very weirdest thing is that
> there's no commercial break in the middle of the first two rounds, but
> there IS a commercial break in the middle of the Double Jeopardy! round -
> seems like you'd want to play the most high-stakes round all the way
> through with no break in order to maximize tension. (And then there's no
> commercial break between that round and Final Jeopardy!, although it was
> pretty clear that there was an edit while the contestants formulated their
> wagers.)
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:22 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
> ITV has been airing their new Stephen Fry-hosted episodes of Jeopardy!
> They only placed an initial order of 20 episodes which are airing at 4pm
> weekdays just ahead of The Chase. But the first episode did get a slightly
> later airing on New Year's Day. But that timeslot is probably going to
> limit their audience a bit. However, ITV's afternoons from 3-6pm are all
> hour-long quizshow formats.
>
> I've not seen enough of the original Jeopardy! to know how it's very
> different. To my eyes, the sets, graphics, and music are all the same. But
> ITV has stretched episodes out to an hour. And you need to remember that UK
> broadcasting rules prohibit stuffing as many minutes of commercial airtime
> in our shows as the US allows. In other words, one UK commercial hour needs
> more content than two US commercial half hours - or two episodes of
> Jeopardy!
>
> All of this means that Fry can be a bit more relaxed, and add a few
> interjections of his own - clarifying answers, adding details and so on.
> And we get longish chats with contestants, which most of the 45-60 min
> quizshows tend to include. He also has to be a tiny bit lenient about
> contestants getting the answer format 100% right, since it's not built into
> UK viewers DNA just yet.
>
> The hour runtime also means we get *two* rounds of Jeopardy! before we get
> to Double Jeopardy! and then Final Jeopardy! as usual. A Radio Times puff
> piece included this:
>
> "As Fry mentioned, participants are able to play an extra round in
> comparison to the original format. This has been done to increase the
> stakes for the players."
>
> But it's pretty clear that ITV wanted an hour long show, and that's the
> sole reason for the extra round.
>
> Overall, while I like Fry, and the level of questions is high, I'm not
> sure how well this will do. I think it needs a longer run. I can't say I'll
> be going out of my way to watch it. Fry has also recorded six p

[TV orNotTV] Jeopardy! UK - the Stephen Fry Edition

[Adam Bowie]

ITV has been airing their new Stephen Fry-hosted episodes of Jeopardy! They
only placed an initial order of 20 episodes which are airing at 4pm
weekdays just ahead of The Chase. But the first episode did get a slightly
later airing on New Year's Day. But that timeslot is probably going to
limit their audience a bit. However, ITV's afternoons from 3-6pm are all
hour-long quizshow formats.

I've not seen enough of the original Jeopardy! to know how it's very
different. To my eyes, the sets, graphics, and music are all the same. But
ITV has stretched episodes out to an hour. And you need to remember that UK
broadcasting rules prohibit stuffing as many minutes of commercial airtime
in our shows as the US allows. In other words, one UK commercial hour needs
more content than two US commercial half hours - or two episodes of
Jeopardy!

All of this means that Fry can be a bit more relaxed, and add a few
interjections of his own - clarifying answers, adding details and so on.
And we get longish chats with contestants, which most of the 45-60 min
quizshows tend to include. He also has to be a tiny bit lenient about
contestants getting the answer format 100% right, since it's not built into
UK viewers DNA just yet.

The hour runtime also means we get *two* rounds of Jeopardy! before we get
to Double Jeopardy! and then Final Jeopardy! as usual. A Radio Times puff
piece included this:

"As Fry mentioned, participants are able to play an extra round in
comparison to the original format. This has been done to increase the
stakes for the players."

But it's pretty clear that ITV wanted an hour long show, and that's the
sole reason for the extra round.

Overall, while I like Fry, and the level of questions is high, I'm not sure
how well this will do. I think it needs a longer run. I can't say I'll be
going out of my way to watch it. Fry has also recorded six primetime
episodes for Australian TV, on the same UK set, but with Australian
contestants.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Lythgoe Out on 'SYTYCD'

[Adam Bowie]

I'm pretty sure that even though she lives in the UK these days (her
husband, Patrick Kielty, presents Irelands long-running, and highly
prestigious, Late Late Show), Cat Deeley is still hosting SYTYCD.

Looking around the internet, it started shooting in Atlanta last month.


Adam

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:36 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Nigel Lythgoe, the co-creator, co-producer and judge on the long-running
> Fox reality comp "So You Think You Can Dance," has left the show a week
> after Paula Abdul filed a sexual assault lawsuit against him over alleged
> actions while she was working on "American Idol," which he co-created and
> co-produced, and then on "Dance" in 2015, when she was a panelist for that
> year--Lythgoe denies the accusations, but has still decided to leave,
> perhaps to the relief of Fox and show producers Industrial Media and dick
> clark productions (what a week for dcp!):
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2024/01/06/1223303666/nigel-lythgoe-so-you-think-you-can-dance-sexual-assault-allegations?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20240108&utm_term=9197775&utm_campaign=news&utm_id=10634280&orgid=309&utm_att1=
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> My own concern for "Dance" this season (which starts Mar. 4) is that Cat
> Deeley, who I see as more the heart and soul of the show more than anyone
> else, will not be back as host.  Her love and support for the contestants
> will be greatly missed.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Adam Bowie]

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 7:50 PM PGage  wrote:

> “Washes its face”? Is that a Britishism I have not run into yet on Britbox
> or Acorn?
>
>
I hadn't thought of it as colloquial British, but checking references, it
seems they're mostly UK. Basically it means that it covers its costs but
not much more - i.e it breaks even. I've no idea what the phrases etymology
might be. You tend to hear it in the commercial world.

The best I could find was this from 1953 in a Scottish dictionary:
"There'll be nae profits. The book'll be lucky if it washes its face."



> I can’t recall the last time I listened to the radio - probably if there
> was a breaking news story and I was in car for a long trip. I used to be
> able to say I listened to the radio a lot for SF Giants games (baseball is
> a sport that is as good or better on radio than television), but now I do
> access all my baseball on demand thru streaming TV. I bought a new car this
> year which came with a free six month subscription to Sirius (just expiring
> this week) and I never used it once.
>
> I am Spotify or Audiobooks when driving or walking. I listen to a lot of
> music while working (I have a lot of writing to do), all Spotify.
>
> But I guess someone is listening to the radio…
>
>
Beware the sample size of one :-)

According to Edison Research, who produce a regular "Share of Ear" survey
on all forms of audio consumption in the US, 36% of time spent listening to
any audio, is to AM/FM radio. Streaming music accounts for 18%, using
YouTube for music is 14% and podcasts account for 10%. Audiobooks are just
3%.

https://www.edisonresearch.com/solutions/share-of-ear/

It's kind of like Yellowstone having way more viewers than Succession. But
I only watch(ed) the latter, and it got vastly more coverage in the things
I read than the former.

I also like to check out the UK TV ratings body, BARB, who do measure
several of the big streamers in the UK alongside all the broadcasters in
their weekly Top 50. It obviously varies by week, but hardly any Netflix,
Amazon or Disney shows appear on the list. In the most recent data, running
up to Christmas Eve, just a single Netflix film (the Chicken Run sequel,
which is essentially a British animated film) made it into the top 50
shows... at #50. That said, it was also the sole streaming show/film the
previous week when it premiered at #17. But my point is that even the
biggest Netflix/Amazon/Disney shows barely make an impact compared with
those on linear broadcast TV.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/most-viewed-programmes/

I think it's enlightening that although Netflix recently offered up their
18,000 row data dump of viewership, it did not break out the data by
country. That would really show just how few people are watching most of
their shows.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Adam Bowie]

US radio is still insanely profitable, turning over around $13bn in
revenues in 2023. For context, US podcast revenues were forecast to be
about $2bn.

The main problem in recent years has been insane debt levels caused by all
the consolidation that just couldn't be serviced. Everyone biting off way
more than they could chew. The underlying business of radio is still
perfectly viable commercially.

So although broadcast radio may be in long-term decline, like broadcast
television, and owners might indeed be playing the same six songs over and
over, but they still have audiences... That's a creative issue.

Also, a bit like streaming TV services mostly just lose money, Spotify only
just about washes its face. We seem to have moved into an era where the new
services replacing the old, are not remotely as profitable as the outgoing
business models...



Adam

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:12 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
> over and over. Go figure.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon Prime Starting Ads on Jan. 29

[Adam Bowie]

It's starting in the UK from 5 February and it'll cost us £2.99 a month to
avoid. From the BBC report on it:

"Customers in the US and Canada will see ads earlier from 29 January, and
Amazon plans to expand them to France, Italy, Spain, Mexico and Australia
later in 2024."

So I'm not sure Canadians will avoid it. I would also note that I've yet to
receive an email about this, but I guess they've got a bit over a month to
let me know.

I'm inclined to switch to the ad tier for now, but one decent new series
that I want to watch, and I'll pay the £2.99. I just downgraded Netflix
from 4K to HD (I can't tell the difference on my 49" set), so the "savings"
from that can perhaps pay for Amazon.


Adam

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 8:47 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I should add... that after I saw that announcement I looked into it from a
> Canadian perspective. Doesn't look like it applies to us yet.   I pay
> $9.99 CAD per month for Amazon Prime (the shipping and some discounts) and
> also get Prime Video (movies, some TV shows) included.
>
> of course, our content library offered by Prime Video is probably much
> more limited than the US
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 2:20 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I am to the point where, when we find a series we like on any of the
>> streaming platforms, I go to iTunes and buy it, because inevitably we will
>> go back to watch an episode and it will have been removed.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw that announcement.
>>>
>>> There's a decent thread on Mastodon about the continued enshittification
>>> of Amazon.
>>>
>>> https://mastodon.social/@angusm/111657952280392738
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> /Doug
>>> east...@mcd.on.ca
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023, 13:18 Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>>
 They said they were going to do it and they are, but there was much
 weeping and gnashing of teeth on social media when they started sending out
 Emails to subscribers this week--if you don't want commercials, plunk down
 $3.99 more a month, just like you plunk down more for everyone else:

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Peacock Leaving UK

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To be clear, Peacock was basically a nothing-brand in the UK. It didn't
even try. I don't think I saw a single ad for it, and it was just a
slightly odd tile in Sky's system. I'm not even sure you could subscribe to
it outside of Sky. Show's like "Poker Face" weren't even within that tile -
just getting into Sky's main categories.

Last time I checked, and this was *months* ago, there were a sum-total of
just 15 series within "Peacock."

Comcast's big brands in the UK are Sky - historically a satellite delivery
brand, and the UK's largest pay TV operator (we're much more satellite that
wired for cable here) - and Now which is their streaming-only brand.

But while I'm sure Comcast marketing folk could explain to me why they
maintain the two brands, there's a vast overlap. You can down subscribe to
Sky just using streaming, which means that it mirrors Now. And they both
have the same undifferentiated offerings. Maybe Sky historically tied you
into longer contracts, whereas Now has month-by-month offerings like most
streamers. Peacock's awareness must have been close to zero here.



Adam

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:09 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> The NBCU/Comcast streamer was on Comcast-owned Sky's subscription streamer
> Now as a no-extra-charge service, which was justified considering that its
> lineup was much smaller than the American version (some shows are on other
> Sky channels and others are on Sky's other subscription streamer Hayu)--it
> goes off Jan. 9, but Peacock services continue on other Sky outlets in
> Europe and in India on JioCinema (and will start in Africa in February):
>
>
> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/391978/sky-to-shut-down-peacock-uk-on-jan-9.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Group member Brad Beam has passed away

[Adam Bowie]

So sorry to hear this, and yes, desperately young. My thoughts to his loved
ones.


Adam

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 6:47 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Definitely sad news. He taped some Sopranos episodes for me when my
> regular source dried up. A very nice guy.
>
> I just recently found out a prominent member of alt.fan.letterman from the
> late 1990s, Monica Bay, also died.
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:55 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Tragic. Will definitely miss him here. I have his last post as 11/2,
>> looks like he died 11/9. So young.
>>
>> My favorite TV quote about death from “Brian’s Song” (and EH):
>>
>> “Hemingway said, ‘Every true story ends in death.’ Well, this is a true
>> story.”
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 9:50 AM Marti Lawrence 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He was a regular contributor to this group, and we became Facebook
>>> friends some time back. I was shocked to see that his brother posted of his
>>> passing - he was only 49 years old.
>>> Here are two notices from his brother:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hug those close to you, we never know how much time is left.
>>>
>>> ~ Marti
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Andre Braugher, Emmy-winning actor who starred in 'Homicide' and 'Brooklyn Nine-Nine,' dies at 61

[Adam Bowie]

Such a fine actor. Versatile and totally compelling in everything I saw him
in.

Just remembering some of those "box" interrogation scenes in Homicide...

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, 04:34 PGage,  wrote:

> This one really hurt.  The integrity, honesty, humanity, talent. He lifted
> us all up.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 6:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
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>> Sad. He was one of the best actors I’ve ever seen.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:19 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/andre-braugher-dead-f2ee7dd990dbd40c8fd5258ac624bab7
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Re: [TV orNotTV] FX, Murphy Play the 'Feud' with Truman Capote

[Adam Bowie]

I'm looking forward to this. It's based on a book by Laurence Leamer called
Capote's Women which I have yet to read. But I did read Swan Song
by Kelleigh Greenberg-Jephcott which came out in 2019 and is a fictional
telling of the same story, and what a remarkable story it is.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:07 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> The anthology series began in 2017 when the channel was still owned by Fox
> with "Bette and Joan," the story of Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford making
> "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" together and fighting the whole way--the
> pandemic and producer Ryan Murphy's unsuccessful stint at Netflix delayed a
> second season, but it will premiere on Jan. 31 and will be "Capote vs. the
> Swans," about the relationship of the "In Cold Blood" author Truman Capote
> with New York's highest-profile socialites in the 60s, with Tom Hollander
> as Capote, Naomi Watts as Babe Paley (wife of CBS founder Bill Paley,
> played here by Treat Williams), Diane Lane as Slim Keith, Chloe Sevigny as
> C.Z. Guest, Calista Flockhart as Jackie O's sister Lee Radziwill, Demi
> Moore as Ann "Bang Bang" Woodward and Molly Ringwald as Joanne Carson, who
> I assume was the Joanne Carson who was one of Johnny's wives:
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/12/feud-capote-vs-the-swans-fx-premiere-date-ryan-murphy-anthology-series-1235652584/
>
> The first two episodes will air on Jan. 31, with sister channel FXX airing
> at the same time a "director's cut" of the pilot (presumably directed by
> Gus Van Zant, who is listed as an episode director), with eps including the
> "director's cut" to stream the next day on Hulu (where most viewers will
> probably watch it) and simultaneously stream on Star+ in Latin America and
> Disney+ everywhere else.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC Late Night News Show Wounded

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:34 PM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

>
> Of course, "NewsNight"'s most famous moment was years ago when anchor
> Jeremy Paxman attempted to get a straight answer from a politician by
> repeating his question again and again for over 10 minutes and failed
> miserably.
>

Of note - it's just "Newsnight" without the extra capital.


>
> And what's with the Beeb giving their newscasts the "News at..." title?
> Isn't that ITV's trademark?  Seems to me ITV should change their openings
> to have an animated globe flattening out and a theme song full of boops and
> beeps.
>

I think it's more "BBC News at..." and then a time. There's a bulletin at
1pm, 6pm (with 30 mins of local news at 6.30pm) and 10pm on BBC One. But
yes that means that nightly at 10pm (or 10.15pm if ITV1, they're stretching
one of their biggest reality shows out) you have "BBC News at Ten" up
against "ITV News at Ten."

There was a period of time when ITV started shunting around their nightly
news broadcast, gaining the pejorative "News at When?", and the BBC shifted
its Nine O'Clock News to 10.00pm. That opened up 9.00pm to drama shows that
could include "after the watershed" content.

Interesting point is that the cumulative biggest rated show on British TV
most days is the combined ratings of all the BBC Local news bulletins at
6:30pm. They outperform all the soaps, most major dramas and all but the
biggest reality shows.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Help needed identify comedy show I saw on YouTube

[Adam Bowie]

I'd also point out that nobody in the UK would have a clue that Brie Larson
is a spokesperson for Nissan, because her ads for the carmaker don't air
here.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 8:30 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> it does sound like the 8 Out of 10 set and setup, but they haven't put out
> a new episode since January 2021
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 3:12 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The latest Marvel film with Ms. Larson is in it's second weekend, so it's
>> possible whatever show this comes from hadn't officially aired that episode
>> yet, and the video was posted online early and taken down.
>>
>> Rampant speculation on my part, but if it is Canadian, this could have
>> been taken from This Hour Has 22 Minutes, or maybe Because News.  If it was
>> British, this seems like something from 8 Out of Ten Cats, which has teams.
>>
>> Being of little to no help,
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:45:56 AM PST, Steve Timko <
>> steveti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to find out more about a TV clip I saw on YouTube. When I
>> look at my YouTube history, it’s no longer there. I think it was a
>> YouTube Reel.
>>
>> I think it might be a Canadian show. Kind of a cross between “Last Week
>> With Jon Oliver” and “The Daily Show.” It’s like there’s a panel of
>> people in a semi-circle on the stage. The host throws the discussion to
>> a panelist. In this case, it was to a woman who I’m certain was raised
>> in the United States. She looks like a shorter, younger version of Adele.
>> She started by giving a narrative of how Nissan is struggling. They used
>> Brie Larson as a spokesperson but were planning to move away from her. Then
>> they decided to stick with her through the latest Capt. Marvel film.
>> That film is almost DOA and Nissan’s marketing efforts look dismal. Then
>> she did a bit about Nissan needing its own superhero to rescue them. She
>> has a fantastic gift for mimicry. I’m sure she’s destined for SNL. It
>> was a funny bit. I want to share it on Facebook but now I can’t find it.
>>
>> She speaks without a Canadian accent. There wasn’t enough discussion
>> from others in the clip to tell if they were Canadian. But it seems low
>> budget. I’m wondering if it got shared and then pulled back because it’s
>> not allowed in the USA? Or maybe it’s from a cable show or a streaming
>> channel?
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[TV orNotTV] Also Off Topic: Sky Sports picks up NCAA Football

[Adam Bowie]

I hadn't really been paying attention, but a month or so ago, flicking
around the sports channels I have access to in the UK, I realised that all
the NCAA football here had disappeared.

While I'd never say I was a massive fan, it was something to watch on a
Saturday evening.

BT Sports used to carry it - for a long time they even had a channel called
BT ESPN where it all sat. The ESPN branding disappeared a year or so ago.
But BT Sports didn't renew, and nobody else covered it at all.

That's not completely true. Sky Sports has Notre Dame games, which I assume
are a by product of their parent company NBC Comcast's deal with Notre Dame.

But that was it. And it was notable that during the NFL London games
recently, a lot of coverage was made of a scheme the NFL is supporting in
the UK - the NFL Academy at Loughborough University - to develop players
who will develop to get into the US college system.

Anyway, midway through the season comes an email from NFL UK to say that
Sky Sports has done a deal and NCAA College Football, starting today, will
air on Sky Sports NFL (the channel that outside of
Sunday/late-Monday/late-Thursday otherwise just airs highlights and docs).

I believe all the NCAA rights are bundled together here, but the schedule
for today is Louisville@Miami, Wake Forest@Notre Dame and Washington@Oregon
St, so make of that what you will.

My suspicion as ever is that very little money is changing hands based on
the last minute mid-season deal.


Adam

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[TV orNotTV] Semi Off Topic: GCN+ Closing Down

[Adam Bowie]

There are one or two fans of watching cycling on TV in this group, so this
is perhaps relevant.

GCN+ is a streaming service that supplied global coverage of a multitude of
cycling races, many of which would never have been covered by any other
network. There were some regional restrictions. So NBC/Peacock has rights
to the Tour de France in North America. But cycling fans globally used it.

It closes down in mid December.

It was actually pretty inexpensive - around $40/£40/€40 a year for ad-free
coverage. And outside of live coverage, they produced comprehensive
highlights packages (useful for those not available to watch live during
European daytime hours!) and at least one new cycling documentary a week.

The thing to know is that it's part of Warner Bros. Discovery, so this
feels very much like another David Zaslav cost-cutting measure.

In Europe, most of the live coverage will probably end up on Discovery+
where it'll sit alongside Eurosport's coverage which is already on the
platform (Discovery spent big on Olympic rights through until 2032, but
mostly have lesser sports rights - winter sports/snooker/cycling. There is
also  the newly rebranded TNT Sports in the UK with some premium rights.
But that's an upsell, and not the case across the rest of Europe).

Of course, there is no sports element of Discovery+ in the US where a lot
of fans are very worried. I know Bleacher Report sports have just arrived
on Max, so maybe that sets the precedent, but the cost is going to be a lot
more than it was before.

And with 100+ jobs going, there won't be any new documentaries.

If you're reading this thinking WBD had a lot of different sports brands in
Europe - GCN+, Eurosport, TNT Sports, Discovery+ - then you're right. I
have absolutely no idea what their longtime plan is! But now they have one
fewer.

As I say, all very niche, but sadly a new reality of 2023's streaming
landscape.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Adam Bowie]

The $60m is purely international figures. I don't think the "sneak preview"
box office numbers get reported until the actual opening weekend when they
get added together and create a suspiciously large number to ensure they go
high in the top 10. So basically that's $60m before the US has taken a
dollar.

(In the UK it was nearly $10m alone, as far as I can see by virtue of being
the only kids' film around during half-term break - not something that
happens in the US, although you obviously get long-weekends around certain
public holidays. Distributors always have a kid-friendly film in those
periods here to help out parents who are looking for something - *anything*
- to do with their kids. Especially in the darker, colder days of
November... A colleague of mine did precisely this with her kids. She said,
"It's exactly what you think it will be.")

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 5:16 PM M-D November  wrote:

> To be fair, the Trolls number is probably heavily influenced by the 'sneak
> preview' screening last weekend and presale of 1st-run streaming rights to
> the 'Cock.
>
> Honestly, tho...how does any student OTHER than WB release a Road
> Runner/Wile E. Coyote movie? ("Roger Rabbit" not withstanding.)
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Adam Bowie]

According to Matt Belamy at Puck, the film is now going to get shopped
around, so not necessarily locked into the vault. Aside from anything else,
I guess there are some relationships to maintain.

He also has a bit of a discussion about exactly how much you really save by
taking a tax write off on a film that has already cost millions. Basically,
the main gain is that you can account for it sooner, rather than waiting
months or years for the movie to play through the various windows and the
accounting to be mostly calculated. So take the loss now rather than a year
or two down the line. And WBD does have an enormous debt pile to pay down.

I've got to think that with the likely paucity of movies in theatres in
spring/summer next year, someone will bite on this. I mean "Trolls Band
Together" which hasn't even opened in the US yet, has earned nearly $60m.
(OK - I know film economics mean you basically need to double your
production budget to hit the black, and this movie is said to have cost
$70m).


Adam

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:35 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> There’s a biased reasoning that if the movie is getting shelved it must be
> a terrible movie. It’s entirely possible that these movies are fine, even
> better than some which have been released, but there’s some accounting or
> tax benefit to shelving them. If it’s saving them money one way or another
> it doesn’t have to make sense.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> He released the new Space Jam movie, but this is getting shelved?  Come
>> on.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:40:52 AM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As others indicated, I’m not versed in studio accountancy, but nobody
>>> seemed interested in the tax write off by NOT releasing the Cindy
>>> Crawford/Baldwin brother film Fair Game, despite it being theatrical
>>> malaise. The studio that gave us Kangaroo Jack is claiming a Wile E Coyote
>>> movie is somehow lacking?! The studio said “yes” to the cinematic flotsam
>>> and jetsam that was the Arthur remake, Battlefield Earth, and Cop Out, but
>>> a film about a female caped crusader gets buried in a shallow grave?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:36 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take
 years out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through all
 that and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be
 heartbreaking.

 It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He asks
 the artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist shows
 him the final work he burns it.

 On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I would have liked to watch this.
>
> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel So
> many metaphors for this story.
>
> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it and
> getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>
>
>
> /Doug
> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
>> but for the WB animated characters
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO
>>> Max) in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices that
>>> did not help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the
>>> attorney representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical
>>> release in July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now 
>>> Daddy
>>> Zaslav, Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and "Scoob!
>>> Holiday Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the film's
>>> director is pissed:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL Sunday Ticket Multi-View Technical Questions

[Adam Bowie]

Without seeing exactly what they're doing, I suspect that the reason that
you have to select from some pre-selected multiviews is simply technical
streaming.

They're combining the feeds centrally and then encoding a group of four
games as a single video feed. While there may be some interactivity within
that - highlighting which game's sound you get - the highest bandwidth part
of the whole thing is the video, and it's easiest if YouTube compiles those
feeds once centrally, and serve that combination to users. This also means
that they can be pretty robust in their offer. If they make, say, five
combinations available, they only have to worry about each individual game
and the five combinations available to viewers.

The trouble is that there can be a lot of ways to choose 4 games from those
being played.

This week there are six early games, meaning that there are 15 different
combinations of choosing 4 of them for multiview. (Mathematically, the
calculation is nCk - or "n" choose "k", 6C4 in this instance).

Next week I believe there are nine early games, and that means that there
are a massive 126 combinations of 4 games!

And even if YouTube encoded each of those 126 combinations, trying to
navigate the list as a user would be a nightmare.

Certainly, there's no theoretical reason why they couldn't let users pick
their four games and create a bespoke feed for each subscriber - but I
suspect that this is a coding challenge and as Tom says, they just didn't
crack it in time. And whatever solution they come up with has to work on
every platform where YouTube/YouTube TV is available.


Adam


On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:40 PM PGage  wrote:

> I wonder if anyone here opted for NFL Sunday Ticket this season on
> YoutubeTV (I believe also available through YouTube)? I did - I wont
> describe in detail my experience, suffice it to say that the NFL is very
> wise not to allow partial refunds for in-season cancellations. I do have a
> technical question related to this package, which requires some set up.
>
> One of the reasons I decided to give ST a try (after paying for it for
> several seasons years ago when we had DirectTV) was the “Multiview” feature
> YoutubeTV was promoting. This allows the viewer to watch a 2,3 or 4 box
> screen with multiple games.
>
>  I failed to do my due diligence on this feature (I think they rolled it
> out during the March Madness coverage last Spring), and did not realize
> that they do not let the viewer select the games to put in the boxes -
> instead the viewer selects from a series of pre-created multiple screen
> options. This would not be a problem, except that I find every week there
> are some combinations of games that are just not available, and most weeks
> it seems my optimum combination is one of these.
>
> And so my questions: Does anyone know of a technical reason why this might
> be? It is not due to blackout rules - I am in the Bay Area TV market, and
> the games I want to watch in the multiview never include the 49ers, or even
> the Las Vegas Raiders, and the game I can not match with the other 2 or 3
> is still a game I can watch in single screen via Sunday Ticket.
>
> The Red Zone IMO continues to be the best way to watch the NFL, at a
> fraction of the cost. After the first month I signed back up for RedZone,
> and watch it together with ST. This has been helpful, as I can now select
> options where the RZ is one of the screens, so I can spend much of my time
> with RZ, but then switch over to a game with special interest to watch more
> continuously if I want (while, nicely, still monitoring all the other games
> in the RZ screen)*. But even here I notice that there are some games that
> will not pair with the RZ in the same multi screen option.
>
> I am not complaining - I knew there was a chance ST would not be worth the
> price when I bought it (still waiting for the option where I can pay just
> to watch every Ram game) but I am just interested in why it might be that
> there are some combinations they are not able to put into the Multiscreen
> (or, why it is not possible to let the viewer select the games they want to
> put into multiscreen)?
>
> * One drawback is that not surprisingly the RZ is often a little behind
> the action on the regular feed (and, more surprisingly to me, sometimes
> they are actually a little ahead of the action on the regular feed), so
> moving back and forth is not seemless.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: There’s a new Douglas Adams book

[Adam Bowie]

It was funded via crowdfunding, and I was fortunate enough to get along to
a launch event at the British Library a few weeks ago. It is indeed a
lovely book, with lots of previously unpublished writing.

And a familiar name can be found on page 304 amidst the thousands of
funders who paid for their copy in advance :-)



Adam

On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:52 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Some of his friends combed through boxes of unpublished writings from the
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy author and compiled them into a
> yearbook-sized tome, one copy of which just arrived on my doorstep this
> morning. I was looking forward to settling down to read it while enjoying a
> pumpkin spice pastry purchased yesterday at Porto’s, but the ants beat me
> to the pastry. Nevertheless, Douglas Adams was one of the greats, and a
> heavy influence on how I write and, to some extent, how I think. Pleased at
> the chance to read even a few more words from him. The book is, of course,
> called “42”, and is available at fine booksellers everywhere.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Netflix' first live sports event

[Adam Bowie]

It is fantastic isn't it? You can check scheduled airdates of basically
every BBC TV and radio programme in its history.

The only annoying thing is that they used to include the actual scans of
pages, but there are some kinds of copyright issues that prevent them being
made available (Photos and adverts not necessarily being fully cleared is
one of the main problems).

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:46 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This Genome thing at the Beeb is phenomenal... 80+ years of *Radio Times* 
> issues*
> not only digitized, but converted to text through OCR, with a group of
> willing readers fixing all the typos! Imagine if *TV Guide* did that
> here...
> B
> *Back in my *Dr Who* phase, one of the things I found in my search for
> ephemera was a copy of *RT* that featured a Doctor... I'm not sure if I
> still have it, nor recall which Doctor...
>
> Adam Bowie, to moi, Oct 17th:
>
> In the mid-eighties BBC2 used to show "International Pro-Celebrity Golf"
> with various pros taking on BBC stars and various other sportsmen.
>
> Here's a listing for a 1983 F1 themed edition featuring Seve Ballesteros
> and James Hunt taking on Lee Trevino and Nigel Mansell!
>
> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/7337cca245554007a3dbc2fb03f1
>
> Aside from being live, this is basically the same show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Netflix' first live sports event

[Adam Bowie]

In the mid-eighties BBC2 used to show "International Pro-Celebrity Golf"
with various pros taking on BBC stars and various other sportsmen.

Here's a listing for a 1983 F1 themed edition featuring Seve Ballesteros
and James Hunt taking on Lee Trevino and Nigel Mansell!

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/7337cca245554007a3dbc2fb03f1

Aside from being live, this is basically the same show.



Adam

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 7:38 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Four PGA Tour stars (from *Full Swing*) and four drivers from Formula 1
> racing (and *...Drive to Survive*) are paired off on the links in Vegas
> (which will host F1 that weekend) for an eight-hole match, with the top two
> teams advancing to the final hole and a shot at a presumably-attractive
> trophy... *The Netflix Cup *streams LIVE, 3pm local Nov 14th...
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/10/netflix-ive-sports-formula-1-drive-to-survive-full-swing-gran-prix-1235575454/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Frasier reboot

[Adam Bowie]

I think it's going to take some time for this revival to hit the ground a
bit. The first couple of episodes seem to be trying too hard to create
proxies of missing characters from the past, which seems like a creative
failure to me. Niles might have been an amazing character, but I don't need
a poor imitation - give me someone different.

But it was enjoyable enough, and things I've read elsewhere suggest that it
finds its feet by episodes 4 and 5. Of course sitcoms always need a bit of
time to properly establish the "sit" before they lean into the "com."

My biggest battle will be remembering to check Paramount+ weekly for
new episodes. I get it through it my satellite provider in the UK on a
deal, battling the clunkiest of clunky interfaces. (I tried to watch the
Korean show "Bargain" on the platform, but uselessly they only have it
dubbed into American-English which made it unwatchable within about 30
seconds).


Adam

On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:35 PM Marti Lawrence 
wrote:

> We watched both episodes, and it needs some work on timing, but we enjoyed
> it enough to watch a few more and see if it finds its footing.
> There was a touching moment at the end of the first episode, the only
> appearance by any of the original cast other than Kelsey Grammer.
> ~Marti
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 5:06:54 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> And the first episode airs on CBS Tuesday at 9:15 p.m. ET ("Big Brother"
>> is recorded, so don't worry about Chenbot delaying anything), followed by
>> the second episode at 9:53 p.m.
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotl...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 10:08 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Full episode available for free on YouTube
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3S47JVd3E
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:41 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
 It isn’t unfunny, but it bears no resemblance to the original sitcom of
 the same name.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox Sez Get Lost 'Flatch'

[Adam Bowie]

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 8:05 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

>
> "Flatch" was a one-camera show, but I have the feeling that with a reality
> show hack programming Fox now, their next multi-cam show will have the
> studio audience giving standing ovations when every star first enters and
> lots of staged reaction shots.  (And I suspect that you have tried to avoid
> the UK version of "Masked Singer," Adam, but as far as you know does the UK
> version do the same oversweetening and hyper panel as the US version?)
>

You would be right in thinking that I basically avoid all versions of The
Masked Singer. I think that in the first UK season they had Ken Jeong on
the panel, but then the pandemic made that impossible to continue. In any
case, from what I saw he floundered a bit because there are lots of UK folk
he will be completely unaware of.

>From what I've seen it's played for fairly broad laughs, and not massively
saccharine. That said, I believe that all the sound is "sweetened" because
I read somewhere that only a handful of the studio audience ever sees any
of the reveals because they want to keep everything secret, and a few
hundred people who scored free tickets for a TV show are unlikely to keep
everything entirely off social media between the recording date and the
airdate.


Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] DirecTV Wrist Slaps WBD for CNN Channel on Max

[Adam Bowie]

I've seen it separately reported that CNN's defence here is that CNN Max is
essentially "CNN International" which is a different channel to CNN. Of
course, CNN International simulcasts many of the key CNN shows including
This Morning and their Blitzer/Cooper block...

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:57 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Although the official word is that most of the programming on the new
> channel is either CNN International programming or original programming,
> the satellite/streaming service has noticed that "CNN This Morning" and the
> Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper shows, among others, are airing on the
> channel and that it may violate their contracts (gift link):
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/03/business/media/directv-cnn-streaming-service-deal.html?unlocked_article_code=3_gFADLuARIsASuI7SFrM8tpTVsyTTunWx1vOPSv56DUEFFRkIvEy78CCxalMAlguXLJt9MVU6Xlguo3eQPasjHh1NkpkwK9d9E9E3joS_2g-YIMQwdtSScSVoeAIX77fi0D_Q7fqggDnybaNkoMzX525UvJkhVQt9iBAKj_HMBjOJMNpTsPCcVXNOrD7eJ7i-VpY1Xjwd3tRRVQUpl-jSpDk2r48PCVp6UODBrhcVdXvw9rV4SHGGwBZZ0PKClYCqMk6j2FDBW4BOuzJzIKXoxlMJMghhKXV0cAYu4pt-h13AARuKnVz-MjNUkbchvL1UripzkMw9VqY4a-e0xfYFJEKceD358E9cNUqbqBV8vsEoI&smid=url-share
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Are You Ready for Some 'Toy Story' Football?

[Adam Bowie]

I noticed on Disney+ (in the UK) a couple of hours ago as they were
featuring it. So I spun to a random section to see how it sounded and was
left unimpressed. I'm sure the tech that allowed them to capture the
players' locations on the field in realtime, as well as identify the ball's
location and animate the ball getting from A to B is all very impressive
(although I'm sure teams have something similar available for tactical
purposes). But the commentary seemed to be a regular one with no real
changes made for the target audience.

It felt a bit like one of those YouTube channels where someone does their
own commentary of a game to which they don't have the rights, and rustle up
some graphics, all while fielding live comments.

Surely, if you're really after getting kids into the game, you probably
just need to show the real pictures but create alternative commentaries and
features around the game?

This feels like a solution in search of a problem.


Adam


On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 9:53 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> I watched a few minutes of this presentation of the game this morning. It
> was more restrained than the NHL game. There might be something to doing an
> alternate stream of a game targeted at kids, especially as alcohol and
> gambling become a bigger part of the sport and its ads. The graphic part of
> showing Andy’s room rather than the stadium didn’t seem to add anything to
> me.
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 4:52 PM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> “Big City Greens”.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:01:46 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>
>>> ESPN+ did this with an NHL game last season. They used some characters
>>> from a Disney+ series i never heard of (Meet the Greens, maybe) and I
>>> watched a few minutes of it. Doing a game this way might hold the attention
>>> of a child who would get bored watching the live game. The gimmick got
>>> tedious for me very quickly and I went back to the live game.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:47 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 on Sun. Oct. 1, while the Atlanta/Jacksonville NFL game from London
 televises on ESPN+ and the team markets OTA, a special live motion capture
 presentation on ESPN+ and Disney+ will present the game as it might be
 played by toys in the bedroom of Andy, the central home of the Pixar "Toy
 Story" series--your favorite "Toy Story" characters will all be present
 (but I don't think Tom Hanks or Tim Allen will be doing voices):


 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nfl-disney-toy-story-animated-game-telecast-1235587299/

 The above includes a promo for the show, beginning with the familiar
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "This is the craziest s--t I EVER watched on tv"

[Adam Bowie]

But isn't that really a function of the different types of programming?

Winning Time has two seasons with a total of 17 episodes - viewers ideally
should be giving it some attention while they watch it
90 Day Fiancé has 9 seasons and a total of 115 episodes (to date) - viewers
can easily be doom-scrolling, folding laundry or doing the dishes while it
plays in the background

Given that a lot of these self-selected rankers are just based on hours
consumed, then shows with vast numbers of easily digestible episodes that
can act as a kind of audio-visual wallpaper are always going to do well.

And I wouldn't be surprised if some random episode of Gold Rush regularly
gets more viewers in its first week than whatever prestige HBO Sunday night
drama is on air (Game of Thrones and its spin-offs excluded).




On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 4:48 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> And in looking at the Top 10 series list, only one HBO series is on the
> list--"Winning Time." Almost half the list is Discovery programming, almost
> all of it spinoffs of "30 Day Fiancée." Before "Naked Attraction" was
> discovered, the number one most days was a spinoff of "Adventure Time" (and
> this is not an insult to that show's rabid fan base).
>
> I realize that most people seem to be only able to watch one HBO series at
> a time, but still, Daddy Zaslav is the winner here.  I wonder if Maher will
> be at number one when he returns this weekend or if Oliver will be.
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:18:48 AM UTC-5 Adam Bowie wrote:
>
>> I see that the first part of my prediction has already come true. THR
>> notes that it's sitting atop Max's "Most Popular" list:
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-max-most-popular-1235602099/
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 4:16 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup - Naked Attraction is still going strong. I don't think there's much
>>> pretence that it exists for any reason apart from to gawp at naked people.
>>> They might put a sheen of body-positivity or LGBTQ+ friendliness over the
>>> top, but that's spin.
>>>
>>> My suspicion would be that it'll do incredibly well for Max to the point
>>> that in the not too distant future they'll commission a US version. It's an
>>> insanely cheap format:  a minimal set, and a filmed meal for the winners.
>>> The only real "cost" is finding people that are happy to have themselves
>>> filmed nude full in the knowledge that episodes will air forever more.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 7:18 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So said Grenadian X poster Mougabé
>>>> <https://twitter.com/RoyalPurp/status/1705714664003313757> (link)
>>>> yesterday after seeing "Naked Attraction," the 10-season veteran of UK
>>>> Channel Four's late-night lineup once referenced by our own Adam Bowie
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/Xf6eLzLS6wM/m/YUU7JP-dAwAJ>
>>>> (link) inside a thread about the "Great British Bake-Off/Baking Show"
>>>> moving to Four back in 2016, which is now being rolled out elsewhere...
>>>> including to Max, who's sprung for six seasons (didn't say which ones) of
>>>> the show Ofcom amazingly cleared because, in the end, there's no onscreen,
>>>> *ahem*, activity...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-nude-dating-show-max-1235597729/
>>>>  (link)
>>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "This is the craziest s--t I EVER watched on tv"

[Adam Bowie]

To be completely clear, *none* of this was a recommendation.

As you say, if you want to stare at naked people and have the internet,
it's not exactly difficult...

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 3:42 PM PGage  wrote:

> I watched the first episode last night to see for myself. I am not
> offended by naked bodies, but I am offended by vapid inanity, and that is
> pretty much all I got from it. There are so many easier and less inane ways
> to look at naked people these days. I won’t be watching anymore.
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 at 7:18 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> I see that the first part of my prediction has already come true. THR
>> notes that it's sitting atop Max's "Most Popular" list:
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-max-most-popular-1235602099/
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 4:16 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup - Naked Attraction is still going strong. I don't think there's much
>>> pretence that it exists for any reason apart from to gawp at naked people.
>>> They might put a sheen of body-positivity or LGBTQ+ friendliness over the
>>> top, but that's spin.
>>>
>>> My suspicion would be that it'll do incredibly well for Max to the point
>>> that in the not too distant future they'll commission a US version. It's an
>>> insanely cheap format:  a minimal set, and a filmed meal for the winners.
>>> The only real "cost" is finding people that are happy to have themselves
>>> filmed nude full in the knowledge that episodes will air forever more.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 7:18 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So said Grenadian X poster Mougabé
>>>> <https://twitter.com/RoyalPurp/status/1705714664003313757> (link)
>>>> yesterday after seeing "Naked Attraction," the 10-season veteran of UK
>>>> Channel Four's late-night lineup once referenced by our own Adam Bowie
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/Xf6eLzLS6wM/m/YUU7JP-dAwAJ>
>>>> (link) inside a thread about the "Great British Bake-Off/Baking Show"
>>>> moving to Four back in 2016, which is now being rolled out elsewhere...
>>>> including to Max, who's sprung for six seasons (didn't say which ones) of
>>>> the show Ofcom amazingly cleared because, in the end, there's no onscreen,
>>>> *ahem*, activity...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-nude-dating-show-max-1235597729/
>>>>  (link)
>>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "This is the craziest s--t I EVER watched on tv"

[Adam Bowie]

I see that the first part of my prediction has already come true. THR notes
that it's sitting atop Max's "Most Popular" list:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-max-most-popular-1235602099/

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 4:16 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Yup - Naked Attraction is still going strong. I don't think there's much
> pretence that it exists for any reason apart from to gawp at naked people.
> They might put a sheen of body-positivity or LGBTQ+ friendliness over the
> top, but that's spin.
>
> My suspicion would be that it'll do incredibly well for Max to the point
> that in the not too distant future they'll commission a US version. It's an
> insanely cheap format:  a minimal set, and a filmed meal for the winners.
> The only real "cost" is finding people that are happy to have themselves
> filmed nude full in the knowledge that episodes will air forever more.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 7:18 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> So said Grenadian X poster Mougabé
>> <https://twitter.com/RoyalPurp/status/1705714664003313757> (link)
>> yesterday after seeing "Naked Attraction," the 10-season veteran of UK
>> Channel Four's late-night lineup once referenced by our own Adam Bowie
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/Xf6eLzLS6wM/m/YUU7JP-dAwAJ>
>> (link) inside a thread about the "Great British Bake-Off/Baking Show"
>> moving to Four back in 2016, which is now being rolled out elsewhere...
>> including to Max, who's sprung for six seasons (didn't say which ones) of
>> the show Ofcom amazingly cleared because, in the end, there's no onscreen,
>> *ahem*, activity...
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-nude-dating-show-max-1235597729/
>>  (link)
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Here’s Why Bruce Willis’ ‘Moonlighting’ Isn’t Streaming Anywhere

[Adam Bowie]

HD remasters sound good. Here's hoping that this lands on Disney+ in the UK
where shows like The Bear pitch up...

On Tue, 26 Sept 2023, 22:57 Brad Beam,  wrote:

> "Moonlighting" streams on Hulu beginning October 10. The article says that
> most (but not all) songs have been cleared.
>
> https://www.vulture.com/2023/09/moonlighting-bruce-willis-hulu-release-date.html
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 4:41:12 AM UTC-4 Adam Bowie wrote:
>
>> And... I wouldn't hold my breath...
>>
>> https://twitter.com/GlennGCaron/status/1577763868771655680
>>
>> Basically Disney are getting things ready for streaming. But what that
>> actually means, or a timescale for it happening, seem to be unclear. Not
>> even 100% certain that they'll be going back to the masters. I can't
>> remember if the show was made in an era where they shot on film but edited
>> on tape or not. If it was 100% film, then I think it's easier to remaster
>> instead of rebuilding episodes from scratch from the negatives.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 12:08 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> I’d guess that the music will be entirely (or v close to) intact. But I
>>> guess we’ll find out for sure in a couple of days.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 at 00:00, PGage  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you think that means they got the original music rights, or decided
>>>> to use zombie music?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 3:29 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the sounds of things, Moonlighting could be coming to streaming
>>>>> soon…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/glenngcaron/status/1577026664852176896?s=21&t=KyTLS52jDGCIaC8_fBcgKQ
>>>>>
>>>>> All will be revealed on Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I’m hanging onto those DVDs though…)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 10:45, Adam Bowie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Kevin, I wanted a DVD set of this series a few years ago. It was
>>>>>> already long out of print in the UK, but I found a used set of the 
>>>>>> complete
>>>>>> series on DVD, actually traveling across London to the shop that had it.
>>>>>> Unlike Kevin I have yet to rip my DVDs for Plex/VLC purposes - but that 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> on my to-do list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't 100% attest to what music may or may not have been replaced
>>>>>> on these discs. I think there must have been some. That said, I know that
>>>>>> Miami Vice, also referenced in the piece, *did* eventually get released
>>>>>> with all its music intact (and that reminds me that I need to pick up Blu
>>>>>> Rays of that series before they go out of print).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:24 AM Kevin M. 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I long ago purchased it on DVD, and recently learned to use VLC to
>>>>>>> share my digitized copies from my Mac to my AppleTV. So for me at least,
>>>>>>> the series is streaming on my very localized network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:26 PM Doug Eastick 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thewrap.com/why-moonlighting-not-streaming-anywhere/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In case you wondered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Doug
>>>>>>>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Man from UNCLE/Duck from NCIS

[Adam Bowie]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 4:53 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> From the Wiki, only two are left: John Leyton, an instant hit on itv in
> 1960 as a co-star of "Biggles," and then briefly an admired pop singer
> (only to get flattened by the juggernaut that was beat music) before going
> back to acting, and then back to singing in the 1970s... and William
> Russell, aka companion Ian Chesterton in the first two seasons of "Doctor
> Who."
> B
>

Only last year, William Russell appeared in the final Jodie Whitaker
episode of Doctor Who, a full 57 years after his previous appearance.

My abiding memory of David McCallum will always be alongside Joanna Lumley
in Sapphire & Steel. A DVD re-watch is probably in order...



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Re: [TV orNotTV] "This is the craziest s--t I EVER watched on tv"

[Adam Bowie]

Yup - Naked Attraction is still going strong. I don't think there's much
pretence that it exists for any reason apart from to gawp at naked people.
They might put a sheen of body-positivity or LGBTQ+ friendliness over the
top, but that's spin.

My suspicion would be that it'll do incredibly well for Max to the point
that in the not too distant future they'll commission a US version. It's an
insanely cheap format:  a minimal set, and a filmed meal for the winners.
The only real "cost" is finding people that are happy to have themselves
filmed nude full in the knowledge that episodes will air forever more.


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> So said Grenadian X poster Mougabé
> <https://twitter.com/RoyalPurp/status/1705714664003313757> (link)
> yesterday after seeing "Naked Attraction," the 10-season veteran of UK
> Channel Four's late-night lineup once referenced by our own Adam Bowie
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/Xf6eLzLS6wM/m/YUU7JP-dAwAJ>
> (link) inside a thread about the "Great British Bake-Off/Baking Show"
> moving to Four back in 2016, which is now being rolled out elsewhere...
> including to Max, who's sprung for six seasons (didn't say which ones) of
> the show Ofcom amazingly cleared because, in the end, there's no onscreen,
> *ahem*, activity...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/naked-attraction-nude-dating-show-max-1235597729/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Brand Special off Par+

[Adam Bowie]

>From what I understand, various people have been trying to get this story
"across the line" for years now, but they needed cast-iron proof and some
victims to cooperate with whatever proof they could provide. To misquote
they Ben Bradlee line that came up here recently, they did not have it.

I'm sure a lot of people had hearsay knowledge of his behaviour, but just
because someone has told me that another person is a sexual predator,
that's not enough on its own.

That obviously works both ways. It does allow some predators to escape, but
it also prevents potentially malicious behaviour of people making
untruthful claims of others.

The comedian Kathryn Ryan is said to have called Brand a sexual predator in
a sequence on the UK version of Comedy Central's Roast Battle. Reporting on
Deadline suggests that he didn't like this and other elements of his
"roasting" and that was in part why he wasn't a judge in future seasons.
Ryan alluded to all of this in a podcast with Louis Theroux without naming
either the person she was talking about or the show that she was on:
https://deadline.com/2023/09/russell-brand-roast-battle-uk-katherine-ryan-1235549112/

As for pulling programmes off services, there's an interesting balance
here. I think I would personally remove his specials and episode
appearances.

But he's not yet been found guilty of any offences yet. Indeed he has yet
to be arrested or charged with anything as far as I know. Yet the 90 minute
documentary that aired on Channel 4 in the UK last weekend made a pretty
compelling case, but that's obviously not enough on its own.



Adam

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> Listening to this week’s Pod Save the UK podcast, apparently Brand’s
> behavior was known for years, but complaints would be responded with
> letters by Brand’s lawyer demanding silence or a lawsuit. His actions were
> enabled, and there needs to be a reckoning for those doing the enabling.
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 7:08 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> "Russell Brand in New York" has been pulled off the
>> streamer--interestingly, some other Brand specials have not been touched by
>> Netflix yet (along with "House of Cards," Louis C.K. specials and that Dave
>> Chappelle show--and I guess Ted Sarantos' answer to that would be "FREE
>> SPEECH!"):
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/russell-brand-special-pulled-paramount-plus/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It ain’t Rupert’s Fox no more

[Adam Bowie]

I think it's news because Murdoch said he'd never retire. And of course, it
*is* a story.

It's a handy time to be Michael Woolf who's new book on Fox and Murdoch,
"The Fall: The End of the Murdoch Empire," comes out on Tuesday. I imagine
he'll be invited onto even more shows than he might have been.

I had literally just finished listening to today's episode of The Town with
Matt Belloni featuring Woolf when this news dropped.


On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:18 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Darcy is usually a solid reporter but I don’t know why he thinks it’s
> going to send shockwaves through the media industry when a 92 year old man
> announces his retirement.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:36 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> A different (yet the same) Murdoch will be running Fox into the ground
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/media/rupert-murdoch-steps-down-fox/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_source=CNNlinkedin&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2023-09-21T13%3A13%3A08
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Polish Comp Has Contestants in Blackface, Dropping N Bombs (Hoo Boy)

[Adam Bowie]

Maybe once upon a time - not even that long ago - it might have been
"accepted". And I say that being from the country that had "The Black and
White Minstrel Show" on primetime television until as recently as 1978.

But I'm not sure any country has any excuses today. That said, there are
still versions of shows like Stars in Their Eyes that have had blackface
contestants frighteningly recently. I would suggest that various countries'
ignorance of the issue is dependent on the racial makeup of that country.
Poland, from what I can tell, is not the most ethnically diverse country in
Europe, and certainly not non-white ethnicities. No excuse though.

The actor David Harewood (Homeland, Supergirl amongst many others)
presented a really good BBC documentary on the whole subject a couple of
months ago. If you've got a way to watch BBC iPlayer then it's here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001p474/david-harewood-on-blackface

Very much from a British perspective.


Adam


Adam

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 3:17 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> 25-years-ago when we did Your Big Break in tandem with the company that
> produces Stars in Their Eyes, I learned that blackface was considered less
> offensive in Europe than it is here in the US. We had a few non-POC
> portraying African Americans, but there was deliberately no
> pigment-altering makeup applied.
>
> During a production meeting it was discussed, and it was agreed that a
> white personal could impersonate a black person. But when somebody
> kiddingly asked if a Christian could portray a Jew, our producer replied
> “F*ck no!”
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 7:08 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> The Polish version of the format "Your Face Sounds Familiar" (claimed as
>> originating in Spain in 2011, although it sure as hell sounds like the UK's
>> "Stars in Their Eyes," which goes back further and is owned by the company
>> owning this show, the French format factory Banijay) recently featured a
>> white man impersonating rapper Kendrick Lamar in blackface and cornrows and
>> repeating a "nigga" from the lyrics of Lamar's "Humble" (the video's in the
>> link) AND a white woman impersonating Beyonce in blackface--controversy
>> ensued and Banijay's home office in Paris said they would conduct an
>> investigation:
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/sep/12/polish-tv-talent-show-contestants-use-blackface-for-kendrick-lamar-beyonce-performances
>>
>> HOWEVER, this is not the first time--in 2021 a contestant won with a
>> blackface impersonation of Kanye West and there have been other instances
>> of blackface in the Polish version's history (perhaps before Banijay bought
>> the original format owner Endemol Shine) and the Czech version out-and-out
>> banned blackface in the same year.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jimmys, Seth, Stephen and Jon started a podcast

[Adam Bowie]

I see there's a live Vegas show on 23rd September featuring three of the
five, *including *Fallon. Oliver and Meyers can't make it because they
seemingly have other live show commitments:
https://deadline.com/2023/09/stephen-colbert-jimmy-fallon-jimmy-kimmel-live-las-vegas-show-1235545741/

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:02 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 4:54 AM pbrownpbr...@gmail.com <
> pbrownpbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jimmy Kimmel was on the Bill Simmons podcast on Monday (recorded Sunday
>> night 9/10/2023), and said that they recorded five episodes before the
>> first one was released. So still one more to drop before the staffer news
>> broke.
>>
>
>
>
>> I wonder why the pre-recorded episode took an extra two days to drop.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Why a Rita Ora guest shot on original Love Island disappeared from Hulu

[Adam Bowie]

Yep - that was a perfect example of the
Google-likes-articles-that-are-over-500-words for search optimisation way
of writing. Tantamount to those "What time is the Super Bowl?" articles
that start by explaining what the NFL is and going from there...

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 3:34 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> I have no specific comment (it has been eighteen years since I worked as a
> closed-captioner, and even then, I was never really involved with the
> technical side of things)... other to say that this article could have been
> a three-sentence blurb instead.
>
> "An episode of 'Love Island U.K.' featuring a performance by singer Rita
> Ora was pulled from Hulu after being briefly available on Sunday. Although
> there was some speculation that the withdrawal was due to licensing issues,
> representatives for the streamer confirmed that it was due to the episode's
> closed-captioning not working properly. The episode has now returned to the
> service."
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:45 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> It wasn't a licencing issue... Ellwanger will comment on this...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/love-island-uk-rita-ora-missing-episode-hulu-1235544577/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Cleese wants investigation of colleague-to-be

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:09 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I *voonder* if this has any connexion to Huw Edwards (q.v.) ?
>

No - this happened years ago. And Wootton has nothing to do with Huw
Edwards. But I can see how the connection could be drawn. Nonetheless, it's
a coincidence.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] BT Sport begins its new life as TNT Sports

[Adam Bowie]

It's worth reiterating that the name TNT Sports has zero resonance in the
UK. It's simply not a brand here. So they're starting from scratch a bit.
I've yet to really see much in the way of marketing explaining it all, and
even as a BT Sport subscriber, they've not made things that clear (and I
follow the industry and *know* what's going on).

They do have a good roster of sport, but to be clear, they remain
second-placed to the Comcast-owned Sky Sports who have a much stronger set
of rights. Sky has more Premier League games which is critical, but also
other football (soccer). Sky also has everything from F1, cricket,
international rugby, the entirety of golf, NBA and NFL, and loads more as
well. BT/TNT may also have US college lacrosse, but, well... :-)

The other thing that TNT/Warner Media Discovery really need to square off
is their overall branding. Warner Media Discovery also owns Eurosport, and
they're making TNT and Eurosport available within the Discovery+ app.
Within the world of cycling, there's also the GCN sub-brand (Global Cycling
Network). That does mean that presenters of the Tour de France will
reference Discovery+/Eurosport/GCN when they're on air! I guess that if
you're already triple-branding your coverage, what's adding a fourth brand
in TNT to the mix?

I guess their problem is that they have different brands and different sets
of rights in different countries.



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> UK Discovery+ will be the go-to outlet for it, for the same fee as BT's
> Monthly Pass... the combined repertory will be *staggering*... and more
> female presenters will be a part of it...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tnt-sports-launch-uk-ireland-rebrand-warner-bros-discovery-bt-1235537990/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Our condolences to Kevin...

[Adam Bowie]

nce from the race history,
> Phil remains supportive of Lance and has even had him do some guest
> commentating during the race in recent years. But his wins are void in the
> eyes of the race, so yeah he doesn’t get the mention in moments where he
> used to shine (those long, treacherous mountain climbs, for instance).
>
> In terms of the doping, it’s always going to be an element of cycling,
> both the potentiality and the actuality. I’ve joked here and elsewhere that
> there’s simply no way a normal human can ascend multiple Alps in record
> times over the course of a few days without some degree of performance
> enhancement. So either the doping is happening, or the cyclists ain’t human.
>
> They’ve made a big deal of having access to the team radios this year, but
> whenever they broadcast it, it is underwhelming. I guess I expected more
> discussion of strategy, but it’s mostly guys saying “you’re doing great”.
>
> Time trials are Tuesday after the rest day. It’s a very different vibe
> than the traditional stages, so I’ll be interested in your perception of
> that day.
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:13 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Thanks to the Netflix show, I finally have a (very) basic understanding
>> of the structure and strategy of the TDF. I was otherwise committed the
>> first week, but had not heard any spoilers, so last Saturday I started
>> watching the first leg. I got hooked, and have watched almost all of every
>> stage (about 85-90% - I find there are periods when you can tell that
>> nothing much is going to change for like 30 or 60 minutes, then I FF, and
>> if nothing has changed I might FF a little more, if something has changed I
>> go back). I just caught up today, and can now take a well earned day off
>> from the Tour tomorrow.
>>
>> I gather not every year is quite as magnificent as this one has been, so
>> I guess I am spoiled now and will be bummed when future Tours don’t match
>> up. But I am really digging it.
>>
>> It is interesting to see how the commentators (I watch on Peacock) have
>> completely erased Lance Armstrong from the history of the event. They have
>> gotten in a Greg LeMond reference at least once a day, but even when
>> discussing the decline in popularity of cycling in the US in the last 10 or
>> 15 years they don’t acknowledge Armstrong or the whole doping scandal. They
>> have had segments on breakthroughs in technology and nutrition and training
>> which allow increases in performance, which without saying as much I take
>> it are attempts to allay suspicions of people like me that part of the
>> explanation for the amazing performances we are seeing is doping. It is
>> only kind of working.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 9:37 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin is not the only person in this group gutted by the Cavendish news.
>>> Still, the overall race is going so strongly that it's almost as though it
>>> was being scripted for the next series of the Tour de France Netflix
>>> documentary!
>>>
>>> My side hustle is being one of the producers on this podcast:
>>> https://thecyclingpodcast.com/
>>>
>>> I'm currently in France, and tomorrow will be riding the route of Stage
>>> 15 of this year's Tour in an event called L'Étape du Tour, alongside 16,000
>>> other amateur riders. The weather is currently forecast to reach 34C (93F)
>>> which should be fun for 100m route that covers around half the height of
>>> Everest in altitude - 4,200m.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023, 18:03 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No live viewing, even on weekends? Guess he doesn't get up early... I
>>>> don't either... B
>>>>
>>>> Kevin M, to moi, July 8th:
>>>>
>>>> Dude, spoilers… it’s literally the only sports event I watch all year
>>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Corruption in Irish television

[Adam Bowie]

It's worth noting that basically every public service TV broadcaster across
Europe apart from the BBC takes at least some advertising these days. I've
just spent the week in France and France TV (their BBC equivalent) has
advertising between programmes, but fewer mid-programme interruptions than
normal. Most of these European countries have some kind of licence
fee/central taxation to pay for their broadcasts.

Of course, the reality is that without this, no commercial competitors in
smaller nations would ever be able to produce much programming to represent
local culture. Only RTE is really going to regularly make Irish-set drama
series. I'm not even aware that Netflix has commissioned any series in
Ireland (things like Rebellion are RTÉ productions, and while they put
money into the Channel 4 original Derry Girls, that's really Northern
Ireland).  There may be something I've missed, but even if you consider
the UK, Netflix really hasn't done anything that I would consider
culturally "British" apart from, perhaps, Top Boy. Most of their UK
productions are looking to gaining decent global audiences as well. Set in
the UK, yes, but always with an eye on the global audience with big names,
and nothing too "alienating."

The other thing to note here is that we're in the middle of summer and few
broadcasters (aside from streamers) are putting out much new programming.
Lots of reruns and lower cost fare, saving everything "good" for the
autumn/fall.

I'm not saying that RTÉ's autumn programming will be that much better - I'm
willing to bet that their biggest hit aside from The Late Late Show which
is at the centre of this latest controversy, is probably the BBC/RTÉ
co-production - Mrs Brown's Boys - about which, the less said, the better
(and curiously, it's shot in Glasgow, and not anywhere in Ireland!).



Adam

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:41 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> I had posted about this last week--I had forgotten that there is a license
> fee in Ireland, but I did not mention that RTE runs advertising on its TV
> networks and the two main radio networks, which is probably a good reason
> why Ireland may be more pissed about the license fee than the UK is
> (although that TikToker with the beard and long hair is, I suspect, not
> necessarily the typical Irishman, if there is such a thing.  Of course,
> considering that I believe most of Ireland can pick up all five major UK
> terrestrial networks, either by digital antenna or Sky satellite, and the
> BBC radio networks, perhaps there's more of a reason to be unhappy about
> the license fee.
>
> For a comparison, here's the prime time lineup tonight for RTE1 and RTE2:
>
> RTE1:
> 6:01 pm--News (the weird time is because every evening at 6 p.m. the
> Angelus prayer is recited, in what is a rather produced series of pieces
> and not a Catholic priest reciting it on camera in a studio)
> 7:00--Nationwide--"current affairs" magazine
> 7:30--EastEnders--the BBC soap, I assume simulcasting with BBC1
> 8:00--Takeaway Titans--a local reality comp involving carryout eateries
> 9:00--News
> 9:35--RTE Investigates--what-it-says-on-the-tin documentary, this week
> about the Irish dairy industry.  I'm sure that for those who care these
> sort of things, it would be interesting.
> 10:30--Unforgotten--ITV crime drama that returned to the air this year
> after a COVID-induced absence of a few years
>
> And RTE2:
> 6:00--Shortland Street--New Zealand soap
> 6:30--Home and Away--the only Aussie soap left (oh, that's right,
> "Neighbours" is coming back)--don't know if it simulcasts with Channel 5
> 7:00--Science's Greatest Mysteries--BBC docuseries, on Roku in the US
> 8:00--Dynasties--BBC nature doc hosted by (who else?) Sir David
> Attenborough
> 9:00--Alma's Not Normal--BBC sitcom last produced in 2021 about the
> British care system.  I would assume this does not have a laugh track.
> 9:35--Billy the Kid--The Epix/MGM+ Western, which means perhaps more Irish
> people watched it than Americans
> 10:30--Gossip Girl--Like OMG, it's the Max reboot that was cancelled after
> two seasons
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 1:41 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Love this TikTok.
>>
>> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8dyEJ5t/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Our condolences to Kevin...

[Adam Bowie]

Kevin is not the only person in this group gutted by the Cavendish news.
Still, the overall race is going so strongly that it's almost as though it
was being scripted for the next series of the Tour de France Netflix
documentary!

My side hustle is being one of the producers on this podcast:
https://thecyclingpodcast.com/

I'm currently in France, and tomorrow will be riding the route of Stage 15
of this year's Tour in an event called L'Étape du Tour, alongside 16,000
other amateur riders. The weather is currently forecast to reach 34C (93F)
which should be fun for 100m route that covers around half the height of
Everest in altitude - 4,200m.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2023, 18:03 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> No live viewing, even on weekends? Guess he doesn't get up early... I
> don't either... B
>
> Kevin M, to moi, July 8th:
>
> Dude, spoilers… it’s literally the only sports event I watch all year
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Spacey facing more charges in the UK

[Adam Bowie]

Sequestering juries is pretty rare in the UK. Probably in part because
there are much tighter reporting restrictions on UK court cases - which
includes *everyone*. The only reporting allowed is what factually took
place in court - no commenting, theorising or anything else. Even random
TikTok-ers doing catch-ups would be considered sub judice in the UK, and
could lead to a mistrial. (Quite what would happen if what occurred on Tik
Tok and YouTube with the US Depp/Heard case had happened with the prior UK
case, I'm not sure).

Anyway, it means that there is less of an issue of needing to put jurors in
a hotel to avoid seeing prejudicial coverage.



Adam



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 1:33 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> From the judge's opening remarks, it sounds as though the jury won't be
> sequestered...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/kevin-spacey-uk-criminal-trial-start-1235524626/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Moi, Nov 16th 2022:
>
> They're up to 12. The first five will be heard in June.
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-spacey-sexual-offenses-uk-charge-1235263036/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Goodman still misses Roseanne

[Adam Bowie]

Separately, Goodman was leading the crowd at the London Stadium during the
seventh-inning stretch at the Cardinals-Cubs game yesterday.

Tweet from game 1 -
https://twitter.com/mlblife/status/1672994460492341249?s=61&t=OlE1qv8VSwKj2F7fPPCo8Q

Although Bill Murray was causing more chaos with the BT Sport hosts -
https://twitter.com/btsport/status/1673009024055361537?s=61&t=OlE1qv8VSwKj2F7fPPCo8Q

(Very off-topic side note: the London Games got coverage on two UK
channels. The BBC showed MLB Network coverage incorporating their own
presenters including the cricket-loving Maccabees musician Felix White and
Melanie Goodman from Apple. BT Sport had their own UK commentary team and a
different graphics package that I assume came from whichever US Network
showed those games. During the regular season, BT Sport, which is soon to
be rebranded TNT Sport, shows most coverage aside from the Apple games. The
BBC just shows the World Series.)

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 23:15, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> He's glad he stood up for her, but... he's not sure he'd work with her
> again... V sat down with him at the Monte-Carlo TV Festival, where he
> talked up "Righteous Gemstones," the Coens, and comparing British and
> American series...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/global/john-goodman-roseanne-barr-the-conners-the-righteous-gemstones-1235653963/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TCM Going Off in UK

[Adam Bowie]

The UK TCM has for a long time been a pale imitation of the US version. The
range of films shown is pretty limited, usually being 70s or later. There
are few B&W films, and some years back they stopped broadcasting in HD
altogether. So the picture quality is just awful.

I've never known it to have intros, or even seasons of films. And I'm also
pretty certain it does show films with ads.

To be honest, for archive films Talking Pictures TV is far better, although
unfortunately they too are SD only and are entirely ad funded. TPTV is a
fascinating story because they're completely independent and have just a
small handful of employees, almost run from a garden shed. They do some
intros and show obscure little British films and shorts that would never
get shown anywhere else. They also dig deep into British archive TV. Film4
is also better than TCM although they skew more modern and cult than older,
and they no longer do the intros that they used to.

There is no Criterion Channel in the UK sadly, although the BFI has a
decent streaming service.



Adam

On Sat, 24 Jun 2023, 19:29 Mark Jeffries,  wrote:

> The British version of TCM, known as TCM Movies, will be leaving the
> satellite listings in the UK and Ireland on July 6--WBD has given no
> reason.  The classic films will be moved as part of the programming of
> Quest, a general audience channel on satellite and Freeview that also
> streams on the UK Discovery+.
>
> Since the Wrap article basically contains no info of the UK channel other
> than the fact that they are shutting down, I found the programming schedule
> for this week of TCM Movies so those who would know like Dave could make
> comparisons.  As far as I can tell, the channel was commercial-free (I
> believe Quest isn't), outside of the overnight "teleshopping" (Brit for
> "infomercials"):
>
> https://www.tvguide.co.uk/mobile/channellisting.asp?ch=661#692256182
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Zaslav selling licensing from WB film/tv music

[Adam Bowie]

Wouldn't the rights to much of, say, the Casablanca music be out of
copyright by now - or very close to? The writer of "As Time Goes By" died
in 1951, and the recording is from 1942. The entire film is already public
domain in some territories.

Of course Warners will [potentially] have the masters to licence, rather
than a scratchy 78 someone who wanted a PD copy might have to use to source
it.

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> I had figured much of that catalog went to Warner-Chappell, which is part
> of WMG (along with the former Warner recording labels)...
> B
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 4:12:29 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> Everything from “Casablanca” to “Batman” music licensing is up for grabs.
>
> I’m willing to bid as much as $25 for “Batdance”
>
>
> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/warner-bros-discovery-500-million-deal-sell-film-tv-music-publishing-assets-1235652398/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Hits Save Ryan Murphy at Netflix

[Adam Bowie]

The odd thing about Ryan Murphy's deals is that he's managed to have a hand
in both Disney and Netflix camps all the way through. Anything he'd already
got going seemed to be fair game for extension. So more seasons of
"American Horror Story", "American Crime Story" and indeed "American
[INSERT NEW CATEGORY HERE] Story...". That's aside from having Feud as well!

Meantime, "Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story" has been a hit for Netflix
and as well as the already ordered second season, you would anticipate that
they'll have "Monster: The [INSERT SERIAL KILLER NAME HERE] Story" for as
long as they want to keep having them.

So I'm not really sure what kind of exclusivity these development deals
really get anyone.


Adam

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:43 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Yeah, this is an odd time to be making development deals. Locking someone
> to a contract where they might not be able to act upon it for months to a
> year.
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:38 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The love affair is over... cutbacks notwithstanding, he returns to *die
>> Maus*, tho what new it will yield won't be known till the strike ends...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/ryan-murphy-netflix-disney-dana-walden-deal-1235649919/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> Mark Jeffries, Nov 8th 2022:
>>
>> When Murphy was cranking out one bomb after another at the Service,
>> conventional wisdom was that his $300M deal was numbered and that he'd be
>> only at Disney's 20th and FX soon enough--well, hits change everything and
>> Netflix has handed out a two-season renewal to his true crime anthology
>> "Monster" (the first season of which was devoted to Jeffrey Dahmer) and a
>> one-season renewal to the hit star-studded thriller "The Watcher":
>>
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/monster-dahmer-renewed-the-watcher-season-2-netflix-ryan-murphy/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking_news_7168607
>>
>> "Monster"'s Dahmer season was second only to the fourth season of
>> "Stranger Things" amongst Netflix scripted series this year.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Only" fans of quiz shows

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On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 3:14 PM Ben Scripps  wrote:

> Nitpicky, but the connecting wall is actually the penultimate round; th y
> ndw th th m ssn gvwls rnd.
>
>
Qt rght!

 I'd always wondered what an American version of OC would be like.  Today's
puzzle took me all of two minutes to solve with no mistakes, and the bulk
of that time was spent in an ultimately futile search for the red herrings
that make the original so challenging and enjoyable.

>
>
I'm not really aware that there are any international versions of Only
Connect. Most game shows and quiz shows are designed with a view to getting
them formatted locally around the world, but maybe not Only Connect...

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Only" fans of quiz shows

[Adam Bowie]

The NY Times has just launched a "new" puzzle called "Connections". Nothing
to do with the old James Burke series of yesteryear (which I loved), but
others have noted that it seems to be extraordinarily similar to the final
round of the UK quiz show "Only Connect"

The "new" game: https://www.nytimes.com/games/connections
Deadline story including a Tweet from host Victoria Coren Mitchell:
https://deadline.com/2023/06/bbc-victoria-coren-mitchell-accuses-new-york-times-clone-only-connect-1235417841/



Adam

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 12:59 AM Brad Beam  wrote:

> As part of The Ringer’s series of articles commemorating the BBC’s
> centennial, Claire McNear does a deep dive on transatlantic quiz cultures
> via “Only Connect.”
>
>
> https://www.theringer.com/tv/2022/10/21/23415489/only-connect-bbc-two-hardest-quiz-show
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>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SHO Cans 'Vice' Ep on DeSantis Allegedly Viewing Torture at Gitmo

[Adam Bowie]

To be honest, journalistic outfits pulling or delaying publishing stories
is pretty par for the course. They might be going through a legal check
when something comes up that needs more work doing, or some other aspect of
a story isn't quite ready.

We definitely see it in the UK, where an episode of the BBC's long-running
Panorama series might be changed at the last minute. The hold-up could be a
week or could be months. (It's also more complicated in the UK by some
tighter legal rules - for example, not running a story based on an ongoing
court case that could be prejudicial to the trial. Sometimes stories have
to wait *years* until legal proceedings have concluded).

I'm not saying this is a non-story, but just not an unusual case.



Adam

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 8:01 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> The episode was to have aired May 28 and seemingly would have reported on
> the Florida governor and Presidential candidate viewing acts committed on
> prisoners at Guantanamo Bay that the UN considers torture while he was
> serving as a JAG at the U.S. naval base--the premium channel/streamer, the
> former of which will be renamed Paramount+ with Showtime at the end of the
> month, has given no reason for the cancellation:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ron-desantis-vice-episode-pulled-showtime-1235506705/
>
> The TV newsmagazine spinoff of the troubled alt-media company began in
> 2013 on HBO on Friday nights after Bill Maher (and Maher was listed as a
> producer).  Two Emmys later, it expanded to the weeknight "Vice News
> Tonight" in 2016, the first and only time HBO cablecast a nightly news
> program.  Both shows were cancelled by HBO at the end of 2018, with the
> weeknight show moving to Vice's basic cable channel co-owned by A+E (where
> it's now a once-a-week series) and the weekly show moving to SHO.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ABC cancels three dramas

[Adam Bowie]

I enjoyed Alaska Daily (on Disney+ over here) which, aside from Abbott
Elementary and the odd episode of Will Trent (both also on Disney+ here), I
think are now the only US Network TV shows I still watch. And while the
main storyline was wrapped up, there was plenty lined up for a second
season, so I'm a little sad if not surprised that it has gone.


Adam

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:43 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Alaska Daily had a very clear finale that wrapped things up. As a single
> season series, I recommend it.
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:49 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> "Alaska Daily" after one season, "The Company You Keep" and David E.
>> Kelley's "Big Sky" both after three... four other series including "The
>> Conners" and six pilots also await decisions...
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/company-you-keep-big-sky-alaska-daily-canceled-abc-1235486942/
>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Statement: UK's TalkTV, GB News limited from using other feeds of coronation

[Adam Bowie]

More recent accounts suggest that an agreement has been reached.

The BBC leads on this operation with Sky and ITV contributing, and from
what I can tell it's a multi-million production including the UK's largest
ever 4K outside broadcast. The fees that were being asked were in the six
figure region, according to reports. I guess the question is whether rival
broadcasters should be offered footage for free or not.

I suspect, but don't know for certain, that many international broadcasters
will be getting feeds via prior arrangements either with UK broadcasters
(e.g. CBS and ITV, NBC and Sky) or via agencies that have purchased rights
for their clients.

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:04 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> The news nets say the BBC, Sky and ITN collectively are imposing an
> "excessive commercial fee" to carry Charles III's big day tomorrow (5/6),
> despite that foreign outlets are not paying anything...
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Foxx Still Laid Up, Cannon to Fill In for Him on 'Beat Shazam'

[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:18 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

>
> And as to why Ireland, it's either because facilities in the U.S. are
> still being taken up by Peak TV or they're trying to save money (even if
> they have to fly contestants from the U.S. and put them up in a hotel,
> since there aren't enough U.S. expats in Ireland in the key demos who want
> to be contestants).
>

It's surely just a money thing.

While Ireland does offer some significant tax credits to productions -
32%-34% according to https://www.screenireland.ie/filming/section-481 - I
can't see that a US gameshow fits into any of their categories. But I just
bet that hiring out a big studio with all the lights and cameras in place
makes economic sense. Hosts and contestants were going to need some
accommodation anyway, and while it might be more to send someone from, say,
Dallas to Dublin than Dallas to LA, the other cost savings may be more than
big enough to make sense.

See also Ru Paul and Lingo being shot in Manchester (UK) rather than the
US. In that instance there are added savings with the same set doing
double-duty for the UK version, although Ru Paul only presents the
primetime "celebrity" version in the UK with a different presenter doing
the daytime one. And from what I can see, that UK celebrity version has now
been cancelled. Again, while the UK offers significant tax breaks, they
tend to be for dramas and children's shows, not game shows.

These multi-country productions make more sense when there's a really
elaborate set. Wipeout/Total Wipeout had a massive fixed set in Argentina
that many countries used, flying in presenters and contestants to shoot
episodes for a couple of weeks before the next country took over. I
remember once being in Iceland where I saw the national TV company
promoting their  upcoming Wipeout run.  A country of just 250,000 people
would never have been able to produce a series like that on their own.

Similarly, many countries' versions of The Wall game show used a fixed set
in Poland. The UK version definitely flew contestants and the presenter
there. I was left wondering how they filled the audience with enough people
who understood what was going on, could understand the language and had any
interest whatsoever in proceedings...


Adam

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[TV orNotTV] Comisar Collection Auction

[Adam Bowie]

I don't know if anyone here has found some spare cash down the back of the
sofa recently, but there's an extraordinary auction of TV memorabilia
happening including things like Letterman and Carson desk sets as well as
the Cheers bar! And much much more...

https://entertainment.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=7318&ic=hero-comisarCollection-AuctionHome-7318-050123




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