RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver
I thought I'd give a shot at answering some of Doug's questions about the new U2 Developer (aka GUI Basic IDE). Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or UniData 6.1? It will require you to install some Basic routines on the server but should work with older versions. Has it been tested by over 700 users? No, it hasn't been released yet as part of the Early Adoption Program, but it will soon. Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? No, see above. Also currently we have a dependency on a piece that runs on Windows-only. That would have to be resolved before we could run on other platforms. Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We are looking into it. Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? Runs today on Eclipse 3.2 Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? Runs today on JRE 1.4 and 1.5 (aka 5.0) Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? No, see above but watch for our announcement of its availability in our Early Adopter Program. Subscribe to the U2 News Flash if you haven't already and you should see it there soon. We are glad to have feedback from those who see this at U2U and those who will sign up for the EAP, especially those experienced in this technology. We have a number of existing and planned Eclipse-based tools and are looking forward to leveraging our experience to build this new tool and going back to our existing tools and integrating some or all of this tool as appropriate into those. And we're glad to have partners also providing modern development tools for U2--there cannot be too many good tools! Jackie Burhans U2 Portfolio Manager IBM Information Management Tel: 303-773-7717 T/L 656-7717 Mobile: 719-238-1553 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Register Now!Tune In! D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/2007 09:20 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver That U2 Editor you saw at the U2 University will not be out until first quarter 2008 for Unidata and later for Universe. Here are the questions you should be asking. Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or Unidata 6.1? We doubt it! Has it been tested by over 700 users? We doubt it! Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? We doubt it! Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We doubt it! Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? We doubt it! Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? We doubt it! Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? We doubt it! We are the only company in the U2 market that has the programming expertise and the years of experience that has been producing and selling Eclipse based tools. We are updating our U2 editor and other tools on a daily basis and giving them away. What are you waiting for? Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver I'd also like to add that everyone better start looking into Eclipse because some great things are going to be built on that platform. They are also looking to recruit developers and users for an advisory group. So, if you have some things you would like to see added to the products this is your chance. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver
To be a part of the ud7.2 EAP would be nice - I have been asking for months but not heard anything yet, I would definitely be a good tester of the ide if only I could get hold of it .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackie Burhans Sent: 11 September 2007 07:26 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver I thought I'd give a shot at answering some of Doug's questions about the new U2 Developer (aka GUI Basic IDE). Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or UniData 6.1? It will require you to install some Basic routines on the server but should work with older versions. Has it been tested by over 700 users? No, it hasn't been released yet as part of the Early Adoption Program, but it will soon. Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? No, see above. Also currently we have a dependency on a piece that runs on Windows-only. That would have to be resolved before we could run on other platforms. Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We are looking into it. Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? Runs today on Eclipse 3.2 Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? Runs today on JRE 1.4 and 1.5 (aka 5.0) Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? No, see above but watch for our announcement of its availability in our Early Adopter Program. Subscribe to the U2 News Flash if you haven't already and you should see it there soon. We are glad to have feedback from those who see this at U2U and those who will sign up for the EAP, especially those experienced in this technology. We have a number of existing and planned Eclipse-based tools and are looking forward to leveraging our experience to build this new tool and going back to our existing tools and integrating some or all of this tool as appropriate into those. And we're glad to have partners also providing modern development tools for U2--there cannot be too many good tools! Jackie Burhans U2 Portfolio Manager IBM Information Management Tel: 303-773-7717 T/L 656-7717 Mobile: 719-238-1553 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Register Now!Tune In! D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/2007 09:20 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver That U2 Editor you saw at the U2 University will not be out until first quarter 2008 for Unidata and later for Universe. Here are the questions you should be asking. Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or Unidata 6.1? We doubt it! Has it been tested by over 700 users? We doubt it! Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? We doubt it! Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We doubt it! Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? We doubt it! Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? We doubt it! Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? We doubt it! We are the only company in the U2 market that has the programming expertise and the years of experience that has been producing and selling Eclipse based tools. We are updating our U2 editor and other tools on a daily basis and giving them away. What are you waiting for? Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver I'd also like to add that everyone better start looking into Eclipse because some great things are going to be built on that platform. They are also looking to recruit developers and users for an advisory group. So, if you have some things you would like to see added to the products this is your chance. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
Hi Scott, You need to initialise Y to null at the start too. Y = Regards, Jeff Marcos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ballinger Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 11:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; Dana Moore Subject: [U2] UV basic assignment error ? Here is a weird UV error condition that I just spent way too long debugging: CT BP SB SB 0001 X = 0002 IF X EQ THEN X = Y 0003 PRINT ONE 0004 PRINT TWO 0005 PRINT THREE 0006 PRINT X 0007 Y = A RUN BP SB ONE TWO THREE Program SB: Line 6, Variable X previously undefined. Empty string used. Why does the run-time error happen in line 6 instead of line 2? This is _not_ what I was expecting. In D3: :run bp sb [B10] in program sb, Line 2: Variable has not been assigned a value; zero used. ONE TWO THREE 0 I like the way D3 reports this better. Is this a normal, known UV thing? Perhaps this is just the first time I have ever tripped over it... /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
REPOSTED FOR NON-MEMBER ADDRESS: Louie Bergsagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bounce Notice: If you read this list through Indexfocus, Nabble, or any other replicator - and you would like to be able to participate - sign up directly with us. Here's all you need to know: To subscribe or resubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. UniVerse only displays undefined errors when the variable is used. Probably to frustrate programmers who are used to other compilers. -- Louie Bergsagel North Coast Electric Seattle, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Program SB: Line 6, Variable X previously undefined. Empty string used. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
All For anyone who didn't pick up on Charles' timely plug (thanks Charles): The U2UG have published a new Wiki. It's waiting for your content to turn this into the most complete resource for the IBM U2 community. You can find the Wiki on the U2UG website. Registration is separate, and all U2-ers are invited to contribute. Even if you can't write find the time to contribute a whole article, give us your thoughts and experiences or help to enhance the pages as they arrive. This is an exciting opportunity to harness and pass on the knowledge and expertise in this list for the community. Brian Scott, This is a known behavior. It is by design, so I won't even call it a bug, although it sure can be misleading, as you've found out! It's an excellent question ought to go under some sort of FAQ, in the new U2UG Wiki maybe. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Religious Wars
All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down when the value vs. volume becomes reduced. If it is running too long, but still of interest, I send it to U2-Community. If asking you to change the address on the send line is enough to completely kill a topic, you weren't very invested in it, were you? If this sounds angry, you have read it correctly. This is now a U2UG board issue and will be discussed at the Wednesday meeting. I suggest you put your opinions out in the open, on U2-Community -as that is where it belongs under the CURRENT rules, before then. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe or resubscribe to U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UV] checking files for corruption
Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
My *opinion* is that u2-community needs abolished. As for the argument I don't have enough bandwidth in the 2000's for text email - I don't buy it. I think topics need *END OF THREAD* only when they become obscene, or out of control - meaning someone is attacking someone else, or each other in a non professional manor. Otherwise we're all adults, can read subject lines, and need to move beyond this. To summarize I am in complete agreement with Cliff and Dawn's previous poses on this subject. That's my $0.02 right here in the open for everyone to see and enjoy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] Religious Wars All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down when the value vs. volume becomes reduced. If it is running too long, but still of interest, I send it to U2-Community. If asking you to change the address on the send line is enough to completely kill a topic, you weren't very invested in it, were you? If this sounds angry, you have read it correctly. This is now a U2UG board issue and will be discussed at the Wednesday meeting. I suggest you put your opinions out in the open, on U2-Community -as that is where it belongs under the CURRENT rules, before then. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe or resubscribe to U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 8:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 8:48 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Religious Wars
Hi Charles, I can't post this to U2-Community as I'm not subscribed so apologies for posting here. I remember the solipsistic and personal threads and do not miss them. I much prefer and value the moderated list and have nothing but thanks and appreciation (and a beverage of choice if your are ever in Sydney) for all the moderators. The moderators should step in and end the things you mention and the only rule is At the Moderator's Discretion. Anyone in favour of a moderator free list should check some of the bizarre and abusive threads on comp.databases.pick. Are the current MI5 cross posts malicious? who knows. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] U2UG Wiki article on UV's SYSTEM(n) - I need help editing it.
Thank-you, Brian. This has great potential. From: Brian Leach The U2UG have published a new Wiki. It's waiting for your content to turn this into the most complete resource for the IBM U2 community. You can find the Wiki on the U2UG website. Registration is separate, and all U2-ers are invited to contribute. Even if you can't write find the time to contribute a whole article, give us your thoughts and experiences or help to enhance the pages as they arrive. This is an exciting opportunity to harness and pass on the knowledge and expertise in this list for the community. I mentioned on-list last week that I posted a beta Wiki thing on UV's SYSTEM(n)function and ASSIGNment - undocumented (except here) features. It's under: www.usu2.org u2ug Wiki For Developers Server Development UniBasic Development SYSTEM(n) function and ASSIGNment - undocumented (except here) features If someone more experienced writing wikis would edit it and link it up properly, I'd appreciate it. I don't think I have hyperlinks search keywords set up right. I think it would be hard to find the info if one didn't know exactly what to look for. My fault, not the wiki's. For example, there's a table with a row for each numeric argument, applicable for SYSTEM(n). I should have a link on the 9001 row that points to the separate system(9001) detail section. But I can't seem to get it the link right. I also had a hard time formatting text within a cell, so I don't like how some of the longer descriptions read. In the editor it recognized enter, but after filing it, the enters get dropped. And by _all_means_, anyone, fill in / correct the table content! Most was info I gleaned from this list w/o personal knowledge. Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption
You can try doing a uvbackup on the file to /dev/null. When the file is backed up it checks the integrity of the file. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:20 AM To: u2-Users Subject: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
Chuck: Too bad UD doesn't feel the same way. :-( Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: Dana Moore; Scott Ballinger Subject: RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ? [snipped] Learn to routinely monitor uv/errlog for runtime errors like this that might slip by your users. You can catch these latent bugs and fix them at their source, rather than waiting for users to complain about bad data and wondering how it got that way. I've promised to add a Wiki article on monitoring uv/errlog, including some programs to do so. Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Religious Wars
Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. I, for one, would like to thank everyone who has worked to moderate this list throughout its history - it is a difficult job, and frequently thankless. However, I don't think the proposal to merge the 2 lists is a call for no moderator, just to keeping all the discussion together. Closing off the periodic Monthy Python quote orgy, and flagging the end of a GOTO war (did we ever have a single-letter-variable war? I don't remember that one!) are not the same as moving them to another list. I find the historical notes on the development of the product enlightening, so I subscribe to both lists, but I would prefer that the Monty Python threads go to a Monty Python list somewhere, not to this list. And certainly on either list, personal attacks and obscenities should be off-limits - this is a professional forum and the people who post here to share their knowledge and assist others are deserving of thanks rather than disrespect. People going out of their way to help others should be applauded, not sanctioned. The problem for me with having the 2 lists is that I frequently get repeats, which is mildly annoying, but I can live with it since that is what the group decided to do in the past. If the future decision by the community and the moderator is to have one list, I will have one less minor annoyance in life and the people who think that having a discussion sent to the community list is the kiss of death for the discussion will be much happier. However, if the moderator who is donating so much time and effort to the group will be unhappy, let's keep two lists and be thankful for his efforts! Susan Lynch F. W. Davison Company, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Religious Wars
I am *not *in favor of an unmoderated list. I am a member of CDP and it is not uncommon for religious wars and off-topic threads to run for days. I tend to ignore the list when this happens thereby losing the benefit of the excellent help to be had. Ron White Moderator wrote: All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down when the value vs. volume becomes reduced. If it is running too long, but still of interest, I send it to U2-Community. If asking you to change the address on the send line is enough to completely kill a topic, you weren't very invested in it, were you? If this sounds angry, you have read it correctly. This is now a U2UG board issue and will be discussed at the Wednesday meeting. I suggest you put your opinions out in the open, on U2-Community -as that is where it belongs under the CURRENT rules, before then. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe or resubscribe to U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Lynch Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] Religious Wars Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. [snipped] However, I don't think the proposal to merge the 2 lists is a call for no moderator, just to keeping all the discussion together. [snipped] I concur. I would not like the list unmoderated, but I would like both lists together. [snipped] However, if the moderator who is donating so much time and effort to the group will be unhappy, let's keep two lists and be thankful for his efforts! Again, I concur. Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
Chuck, I would suggest a chat room for unmoderated and off-topic discussions instead of a mailing list. Who really wants to dig through archives to read about totally unrelated material? CDP is already cluttered with it. If you, or any of the admins, want help setting something up, let me know. I'd be willing to oper an IRC channel, part-time, on Freenode if needed. Most instant messengers support IRC and there are also a variety of HTTP based streaming or polling chat apps. (similar to what I had at PickSource. Glen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] Religious Wars All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down when the value vs. volume becomes reduced. If it is running too long, but still of interest, I send it to U2-Community. If asking you to change the address on the send line is enough to completely kill a topic, you weren't very invested in it, were you? If this sounds angry, you have read it correctly. This is now a U2UG board issue and will be discussed at the Wednesday meeting. I suggest you put your opinions out in the open, on U2-Community -as that is where it belongs under the CURRENT rules, before then. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe or resubscribe to U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] {Blocked Content} Moderation
Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (not named). Warning: Please read the AngelicHost-Attachment-Warning.txt attachment(s) for more information. Charles, I think you have the answer already... topics moved to community die, albeit gracelessly... I have no idea what the subscription numbers are for community verses this list, but most of us lack the time or inclination to participate in the majority of the 'diatribe' (my word choice) that might otherwise occur in the community list. This list is comprised of users, administrators, VAR's, and IBM'ers... It isn't reasonable to expect that a user, administrator, VAR, or IBM with a homemade script, derived or created solution, a different approach that solved the issue, etc. would give away their knowledge or work for free, although many may be willing. If the 'solution; addresses the needs of a poster, and it isn't a 'blatant' ad, I see no reason to restrict whom may reply, or that the Subject line be amended to reflect 'Ad'. Some of us may even mention products that are not ours to sell, and we aren't required to change the subject to 'Ad'. The only change in moderation I'd like to see is that, if it is known that sending a topic to community sends it to its (perhaps) untimely death, but there is technical merit to continuing the conversation, don't move it. Eventually, the topic will die it's own death; there may, however, be a chance that someone writes something that someone else finds enlightening. Not many, but there has been a topic or two that I thought was banished prematurely, and I wasn't about to subscribe to community to find out 'how it ended'. Regards, Bob Wyatt This is a message from the MailScanner E-Mail Virus Protection Service -- The original e-mail attachment winmail.dat was believed to be infected by a virus and has been replaced by this warning message. If you wish to receive a copy of the *infected* attachment, please e-mail helpdesk and include the whole of this message in your request. Alternatively, you can call them, with the contents of this message to hand when you call. At Tue Sep 11 10:41:58 2007 the virus scanner said: Could not parse Outlook Rich Text attachment Note to Help Desk: Look on the AngelicHost MailScanner in /home/virtual/site2/fst/var/spool/mail.quarantine/20070911 (message l8BHfrlD012967). -- Postmaster MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
Chuck As a list-member, here is my personal view: I'm entirely with you. I also have to say - I have witnessed Chuck's involvement with this list and with the U2UG board, and the time he gives to this community is simply incredible. I would also say the same of Larry for the wonderful job he does in keeping these lists going. And so if moderators like Chuck and Larry are happy to step in - intelligently and with the respect they have shown for this list - I applaud them. This list is hardly over-moderated: just count back the ACTUAL NUMBER of topics that have been crossed to U2-Community in the last 3 months, and you will see that this really is a non-issue. If anyone wants a topic going to Community - then subscribe to that list and follow on. It's not difficult or onerous. We're all professionals, and so I don't accept (a) that it should be the dustbin of meaningful topics (or we would all have voted to end the threads, not move them) or (b) that intelligent I.T. people can be blocked from them. There are such things as personal emails, webmail, and if these are blocked at the workplace then people can always access this stuff from home if it is valuable. These lists work for those of us who read them daily. I only wish I could contribute better, and I have no problem with them staying as they are. BUT with my U2UG hat on, I will be guided by the opinion, as far as we can get it, of the MAJORITY of the real users of this list. Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption
I'm not sure how through it is but I've always found that just doing a COUNT on a file has shown when there's a problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:20 AM To: u2-Users Subject: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Moderation
Charles, I think you have the answer already. topics moved to community die, albeit gracelessly. I have no idea what the subscription numbers are for community verses this list, but most of us lack the time or inclination to participate in the majority of the 'diatribe' (my word choice) that might otherwise occur in the community list. This list is comprised of users, administrators, VAR's, and IBM'ers. It isn't reasonable to expect that a user, administrator, VAR, or IBM with a homemade script, derived or created solution, a different approach that solved the issue, etc. would give away their knowledge or work for free, although many may be willing. If the 'solution; addresses the needs of a poster, and it isn't a 'blatant' ad, I see no reason to restrict whom may reply, or that the Subject line be amended to reflect 'Ad'. Some of us may even mention products that are not ours to sell, and we aren't required to change the subject to 'Ad'. The only change in moderation I'd like to see is that, if it is known that sending a topic to community sends it to its (perhaps) untimely death, but there is technical merit to continuing the conversation, don't move it. Eventually, the topic will die it's own death; there may, however, be a chance that someone writes something that someone else finds enlightening. Not many, but there has been a topic or two that I thought was banished prematurely, and I wasn't about to subscribe to community to find out 'how it ended'. Regards, Bob Wyatt --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2UG Wiki article on UV's SYSTEM(n) - I need help editing it.
From: Laura Hirsh Hey Chuck - I think you meant www.u2ug.org in your path... Yup, the new Wiki is under www.u2ug.org. Neither fat fingers nor MS spellchecker accounts for that one. Maybe our resident psychologist, Ray Wurlod, can provide a Freudian explanation. On second thought, don't! From: Stevenson, Charles www.usu2.org--- should be www.u2ug.org u2ug Wiki For Developers Server Development UniBasic Development SYSTEM(n) function and ASSIGNment - undocumented (except here) features --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
I think we should start a war over this!!! '-) Seriously though, I'm on the everything is just fine side -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 07:34 All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. snip --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption
A count misses many types of possible corruption. If you select the file, then do LIST FNAME LASTATTRIBUTE that will give you a better, though still incomplete, appraisal of a file's integrity. Karl quote who=Bob Woodward I'm not sure how through it is but I've always found that just doing a COUNT on a file has shown when there's a problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:20 AM To: u2-Users Subject: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
Please keep this a moderated list. Thanks, Paul Law Programmer / Analyst Value Part, Inc http://www.valuepart.com/ -- snip -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
I say keep the list moderated. I have seen what happens when lists get thrown to the wolves - they basically become useless. I have not had any issues with how the lists have been managed. Keep up all the good work! Regards, Tom Gorton When faced with a challenge, look for a way, not a way out. - David L. Weatherford This communication (including any attachments) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient on this communication, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or distribution of this communication (or attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and permanently delete the communication and any attachments from your system. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption
I, too, am not sure how thorough it is, but I do a FILE.STAT (or ANALYZE.FILE). -- Regards, Clif On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Bob Woodward wrote: I'm not sure how through it is but I've always found that just doing a COUNT on a file has shown when there's a problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:20 AM To: u2-Users Subject: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Universe and triggers
Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
Too bad UD doesn't feel the same way. :-( I'm not sure what this references, but UniData does have a series of log files. They're text files ($UDTBIN/*.log and $UDTBIN/*.errlog), and the information doesn't scroll away if you don't catch the entries quickly enough. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group 717-545-6403 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2UG Wiki article on UV's SYSTEM(n) - I need help editing it.
Naw. Ray's a *real* psychologist. He even knows statistics. grin On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Stevenson, Charles wrote: Maybe our resident psychologist, Ray Wurlod, can provide a Freudian explanation. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
Hi Marcos, Universe seems hellbent on invoking the entire SQL system in order to put a simple trigger on a file. UniData is MUCH more forgiving in that regard. With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. You CANNOT affect data going to the actual file record update as you might with an actual trigger, but you can write information to a tracking database and then I have a background phantom in operation which manages email distribution from the triggered events and what not. I *could* even write back to the originating file record that initiated the trigger -- I've closed off the mortal embrace between phantom and virtual subroutine -- but that will always have a lag time between the actual record update event and the final conclusion of the trigger, so I would not consider it a particularly clean solution for true database triggering. It does work well as a tracking and reporting system, though. Trey -- Original message -- From: Marcos Fogaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] [AD] checking files for corruption
Scott, Are you still with a company that uses FAST? If so, it does a good job of checking file integrity and doesn't interfere with other users. COUNT will find gross errors, FILE.STAT is a little better, but these kinds of utilities can miss problems such as a large record with a flink / blink problem several buffers along the chain. HTH, Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald Long, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:20 AM To: u2-Users Subject: [U2] [UV] checking files for corruption Hi all, UV 10.1.8 What is the best way to verify the integrity of a file while users are accessing (if possible at all)? I see that fixtool will set an exclusive file lock when executing without any options. If I understand correctly, the -start and -stop options will scan the file setting group locks. Would it work to set -start to 1 and -stop to the last group in the file? If so, how do I tell what the last group of the file is? Thanks in advance, Scott Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: [U2C] Religious Wars
On 9/11/07, Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. I must have missed some of the conversation because I did not hear anyone suggest that the list be unmoderated, just that it be moderated like many other lists where folks do not get chided or their conversations closed down if they have somethig to do with the subject of the list. I very much recognize that something else was decided with this list when the u2-community approach was taken. I disagreed with it then, but played along, and was thinking that perhaps the time had come to close that list down and have one list like the jbase folks, for example. If the majority opinion is to keep all meta conversations (like this one) and all discussions about U2 that are more general than specific, perhaps seemingly theoretical to some (I'm seen as a practitioner by anyone in the theory world, but sometimes my questions and responses have theory in them) out of u2-users, so that the guidelines are not changed, then I will continue to comply. And, again, I am not just concerned with my own postings, but with the general sense of the community. To me, these guidelines feel excessively male, for example, perhaps more so than the U2 community of developers at large. With the brain differences that have made news in recent years, that might make sense. It might make sense to more males than females that one could cut out community and move it to some separate place. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, You are setting up a scenario that I don't think anyone requested. Unless the Monte Python quotes include a wIntegrate or Accuterm interface or something, wink wink, I would expect a moderator to end such threads if they get too off track. please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. Who are these people? I think I asked the question differently and got positive responses to shutting down u2-community and permitting the u2 related topics to be in this list. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. It appears you are purposely painting a very different picture than anything that anyone else has suggested. I'm not sure why you are, however. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. I'm not sure what you think to be ill-thought out, but I am not sure you are hearing me and others, Chuck. I am not looking for freedom from moderation at all. I am looking for freedom to post and response on topics of interest to me and others, even if they do not involve the word printer, for example. I recall asking how people classified their file types in the past (transaction, hostory, code files, ...), as an example of an interchange that would help me in my job and perhaps others in theirs, but that not everyone who is trying to write an EVAL statement to xyz might find interesting.. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. I didn't think many people used digests any more, but one person told me that he does and simply does not want to filter e-mail and wants to open all posts, so he would prefer they all be relevant to him (or something like that, I'm still not quite sure). Given tools like gmail and yahoo mail, among others, this is a personal choice that people make, but not one that should interfere as much as it does in potentially shutting down threads of interest to others. That is just an opinion, of course. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. Because I suspect that to be a minority position (I could be wrong), perhaps we could pass along only some subset of threads to a second list. For the purpose of understanding what these might be, what criteria does a u2-users posting need to meet to be one that some subset of u2-users would like as the only type of e-mails on the list? The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Of course if you clamp down on a list, those whose postings would fall outside of the def are bound to float away over time. I suspect that I am not the only one who does not like to be told that I just posting something that has been deemed END OF THREAD. It is enough to make me not want to post anything. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down
[U2] RE: [U2C] Religious Wars
Well said. Do you realize that this thread is actually being talked about on both lists now! :-) Jerry -Original Message- From: Jeff Fitzgerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2C] Religious Wars Chill, Chuck! ;-) As Bruce Neylon pointed out, your emotions are leading you to distort things a tad. But, this is such a nice group that no one is going to attack you for venting or suggest that you not do that. Even if tomorrow you wish you'd waited to hit SEND no one here will jump down your throat for expressing yourself. I don't believe anyone wants an un-moderated group -- I know I don't. And I think everyone would agree that the moderators have been doing a fine job and have contributed value to the list far in excess of their pay. So I vote to keep the list moderated. However there have been some valid questions raised, including these: * [AD] tagging - What are the rules? Who decides when a post is an ad? What is the punishment? [MY OPINION] If the sole purpose of a post is clearly to advertise a product it should be tagged in the subject line. Otherwise, we should allow a lot of slack and not worry about it. [/MY OPINION] [DISCLAIMER] I am a software vendor and was recently cyber spanked for a post which Charles (erroneously) categorized as touting a product. [/DISCLAIMER] * u2-community list - Should there be two lists? Who decides when a post should be moved or killed? [MY OPINION] There should only be one list and we should allow a lot of slack before killing a thread. If there are a lot of MP posts I guess that means that quite a few list members are enjoying that thread and I have no problem with it continuing a bit as long as I can identify related posts by subject line. Maybe the list should decide when enough's enough - perhaps five votes from list members to kill a thread? [/MY OPINION] * serious issues - What should cause a moderator to step in, kill a thread, reject a post, revoke list membership or take other serious action? [MY OPINION] Posting of pornography, obscene language, personal attacks against other members, racist or sexist comments, spamming the list, harvesting member addresses for spamming purposes or other posts that offend the list membership. Perhaps feedback from five members ought to be enough to revoke membership; I like the idea of the moderator assisting in the administration of a list that is actually run by the membership. [/MY OPINION] Jeff Fitzgerald --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
At 02:01 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? Yes. I just so happened looked this up for someone else this morning. The best source of documentation I came across was this FAQ. File Trigger Example Technote (FAQ) Problem Sometimes it is useful to find out what processing has occurred on a file. For instance, records may have been deleted from a file in error and these records need to be tracked. Placing a trigger on a file which fires after the delete can keep a record of the event. Cause From the 10.0 release of UniVerse, and later, it is possible to place a trigger on a UniVerse file. Solution UniVerse executes (fires) triggers when some action changes the file's data. UniVerse treats all events that change the database as either an INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE action. For example, a BASIC WRITE statement would be either an INSERT or UPDATE action and a BASIC DELETE would be treated as a DELETE action. The following is an example of how to place a trigger on a file which fires when a DELETE has taken place. The trigger updates a separate file which can then be read to find out what was deleted. Some example code for a trigger BASIC subroutine follows. It is called FILETRIG and is saved in the BP file. A trigger BASIC subroutine must contain 14 arguments in a specific order. For more information on these arguments, see the chapter titled File Triggers in the UniVerse System Description manual. 0001: SUBROUTINE TEST(TEST,SCHEMA,TABLE,EVENT,TIME,NEWID,NEWREC,OLDID,OLDREC,ASSOC,ASSOC.EVENT,COUNT,CHAIN.CASCADE,CASCADE) 0002: COMMON /TEST/ AUDITFV 0003: FILEOPENED = FILEINFO(AUDITFV,0) 0004: IF FILEOPENED NE 1 THEN 0005: OPEN '','TRIG_AUDIT' TO AUDITFV ELSE CRT 'COULD NOT OPEN TRIG_AUDIT'; 0006: RETURN 0007: END 0008: ITEM = 'Deleted ':OLDID:' in ':TABLE 0009: ID = TIMEDATE(): '*' :OLDID 0010: LOOP 0011: RECORDLOCKU AUDITFV,ID 0012: ON ERROR RETURN 0013: LOCKED 0014: NAP 250 0015: CONTINUE 0016: END 0017: EXIT 0018: REPEAT 0019: WRITE ITEM ON AUDITFV,ID 0020: RETURN After FILETRIG is compiled it must be globally catalogued: CATALOG BP FILETRIG *ce*FILETRIG cataloged. Now create the trigger on the file in question: CREATE TRIGGER TEST.TRIGGER AFTER DELETE ON TEST.FILE FOR EACH ROW CALLING *ce*FILETRIG; Adding trigger TEST.TRIGGER Now create the file TRIG_AUDIT: CREATE.FILE TRIG_AUDIT 30 Creating file TRIG_AUDIT as Type 30. Creating file D_TRIG_AUDIT as Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Added @ID, the default record for RetrieVe, to D_TRIG_AUDIT. Now, if a record is deleted from the file called TEST.FILE, TEST.TRIGGER will fire and update the TRIG_AUDIT file. As an example, record id 103 was deleted from TEST.FILE. Listing TRIG_AUDIT gives: $50LIST TRIG_AUDIT 16:32:23 15-09-06 PAGE1 TRIG_AUDIT 16:32:16 1 5 SEP 2006 *103 1 records listed. Doug Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager of Technical Services Strategy 7Dallas TX --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Universe and triggers
Hi Marcos, what version of universe are you running ? We used to use the index w subroutine method you describe but this is now gone in favour of native universe triggers. We have many files in universe with triggers on them , there is no requirement to SQL'ize the table and believe me these tables would take a LOT of work to make them sql conformant. Universe will add a SICA for the table but that's it, any garbage hashed file works just fine afaik. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 11, 2007 04:07 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe and triggers Hi Marcos, Universe seems hellbent on invoking the entire SQL system in order to put a simple trigger on a file. UniData is MUCH more forgiving in that regard. With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. You CANNOT affect data going to the actual file record update as you might with an actual trigger, but you can write information to a tracking database and then I have a background phantom in operation which manages email distribution from the triggered events and what not. I *could* even write back to the originating file record that initiated the trigger -- I've closed off the mortal embrace between phantom and virtual subroutine -- but that will always have a lag time between the actual record update event and the final conclusion of the trigger, so I would not consider it a particularly clean solution for true database triggering. It does work well as a tracking and reporting system, though. Trey -- Original message -- From: Marcos Fogaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
I'm not sure in what version it was implemented, but you *can* have triggers on non-SQL files in Universe (and have been able to for some time now). Cataloging the subroutine so that it can be called as a trigger is somewhat weird, and not well documented, but if you search the list archives, you should be able to find what you need to know. We have been using this in production for a couple of years. Actually installing the trigger uses the same syntax as for an SQL table. I believe that this works on all hashed file types (i.e. anything but type 1 or 19 files). Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marcos, Universe seems hellbent on invoking the entire SQL system in order to put a simple trigger on a file. UniData is MUCH more forgiving in that regard. With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. You CANNOT affect data going to the actual file record update as you might with an actual trigger, but you can write information to a tracking database and then I have a background phantom in operation which manages email distribution from the triggered events and what not. I *could* even write back to the originating file record that initiated the trigger -- I've closed off the mortal embrace between phantom and virtual subroutine -- but that will always have a lag time between the actual record update event and the final conclusion of the trigger, so I would not consider it a particularly clean solution for true database triggering. It does work well as a tracking and reporting system, though. Trey -- Original message -- From: Marcos Fogaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Geoffrey Mitchell Programmer/Analyst Home Decorator's Collection 314-684-1062 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
Trey, I do the same thing. You have to keep the actions taken by the trigger brief, though. You don't want to interfere with the entry, maintenance, and other updating that the file receives. - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marcos, With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RES: [U2] Universe and triggers
Hi Doug, The problem is that the TEST.FILE MUST be a UV SQL Table. In my case, will be a problem if a need to convert my regular files using the command CONVERT.SQL, it will be painful. Regards, Marcos Fogaca -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Doug Miller Enviada em: terga-feira, 11 de setembro de 2007 18:01 Para: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Assunto: Re: [U2] Universe and triggers At 02:01 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? Yes. I just so happened looked this up for someone else this morning. The best source of documentation I came across was this FAQ. File Trigger Example Technote (FAQ) Problem Sometimes it is useful to find out what processing has occurred on a file. For instance, records may have been deleted from a file in error and these records need to be tracked. Placing a trigger on a file which fires after the delete can keep a record of the event. Cause From the 10.0 release of UniVerse, and later, it is possible to place a trigger on a UniVerse file. Solution UniVerse executes (fires) triggers when some action changes the file's data. UniVerse treats all events that change the database as either an INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE action. For example, a BASIC WRITE statement would be either an INSERT or UPDATE action and a BASIC DELETE would be treated as a DELETE action. The following is an example of how to place a trigger on a file which fires when a DELETE has taken place. The trigger updates a separate file which can then be read to find out what was deleted. Some example code for a trigger BASIC subroutine follows. It is called FILETRIG and is saved in the BP file. A trigger BASIC subroutine must contain 14 arguments in a specific order. For more information on these arguments, see the chapter titled File Triggers in the UniVerse System Description manual. 0001: SUBROUTINE TEST(TEST,SCHEMA,TABLE,EVENT,TIME,NEWID,NEWREC,OLDID,OLDREC,ASSOC,ASSOC.EVEN T,COUNT,CHAIN.CASCADE,CASCADE) 0002: COMMON /TEST/ AUDITFV 0003: FILEOPENED = FILEINFO(AUDITFV,0) 0004: IF FILEOPENED NE 1 THEN 0005: OPEN '','TRIG_AUDIT' TO AUDITFV ELSE CRT 'COULD NOT OPEN TRIG_AUDIT'; 0006: RETURN 0007: END 0008: ITEM = 'Deleted ':OLDID:' in ':TABLE 0009: ID = TIMEDATE(): '*' :OLDID 0010: LOOP 0011: RECORDLOCKU AUDITFV,ID 0012: ON ERROR RETURN 0013: LOCKED 0014: NAP 250 0015: CONTINUE 0016: END 0017: EXIT 0018: REPEAT 0019: WRITE ITEM ON AUDITFV,ID 0020: RETURN After FILETRIG is compiled it must be globally catalogued: CATALOG BP FILETRIG *ce*FILETRIG cataloged. Now create the trigger on the file in question: CREATE TRIGGER TEST.TRIGGER AFTER DELETE ON TEST.FILE FOR EACH ROW CALLING *ce*FILETRIG; Adding trigger TEST.TRIGGER Now create the file TRIG_AUDIT: CREATE.FILE TRIG_AUDIT 30 Creating file TRIG_AUDIT as Type 30. Creating file D_TRIG_AUDIT as Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Added @ID, the default record for RetrieVe, to D_TRIG_AUDIT. Now, if a record is deleted from the file called TEST.FILE, TEST.TRIGGER will fire and update the TRIG_AUDIT file. As an example, record id 103 was deleted from TEST.FILE. Listing TRIG_AUDIT gives: $50LIST TRIG_AUDIT 16:32:23 15-09-06 PAGE1 TRIG_AUDIT 16:32:16 1 5 SEP 2006 *103 1 records listed. Doug Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager of Technical Services Strategy 7Dallas TX --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
After FILETRIG is compiled it must be globally catalogued: CATALOG BP FILETRIG *ce*FILETRIG cataloged. Note that, depending on your account flavor, this may not do what you need. I believe that you need an Information flavor catalog. We have a verb setup as follows: ED VOC ICATALOG 6 lines long. : P 0001: V 0002: CATALOG 0003: I 0004: BDGZ 0005: catalog 0006: INFORMATION.FORMAT Using this will. globally catalog your subroutine. A pick format catalog will only locally catalog it (create an entry in the VOC on the local account). I could be wrong in some detail, but this is my understanding, and waht I have found to work. -- Geoffrey Mitchell Programmer/Analyst Home Decorator's Collection 314-684-1062 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
I am against the unmoderated list and I am against the combining of the two lists into one. I often wait with great anticipations the intervention of the moderator when a thread gets to far off track, for my thinking. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] Religious Wars All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. Those who think the mods *should* step in on those sort of things, kindly explain exactly what rules want and don't want. Because the 'freedom now' posts are not well thought out. Digest users, for example, can't filter out posts. People who have quotas on their e-mail boxes really don't want important messages bouncing because two people decide to chat on the list about the nuances of implementing a rock-paper-scissors design strategy on various MV platforms. Some people are stuck with low speed connections. The reason U2-Community is under used is because the vast majority of people on this list aren't very interested in that sort of endless naval gazing. Bear in mind, I generally don't END OF THREAD anything immediately. I shut it down when the value vs. volume becomes reduced. If it is running too long, but still of interest, I send it to U2-Community. If asking you to change the address on the send line is enough to completely kill a topic, you weren't very invested in it, were you? If this sounds angry, you have read it correctly. This is now a U2UG board issue and will be discussed at the Wednesday meeting. I suggest you put your opinions out in the open, on U2-Community -as that is where it belongs under the CURRENT rules, before then. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe or resubscribe to U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RES: [U2] Universe and triggers
Hi, My UV is release 10.2 and if I try convert a regular pick file there are the error message : CREATE TRIGGER T_TRIGGER AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE ON GVMTA030 FOR EACH ROW CALLING '*T_TRIGGER'; UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified. Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!! T_TRIGGER 001 SUBROUTINE T_TRIGGER(PAR1,PAR2,PAR3,PAR4,PAR5,PAR6,PAR7,PAR8,PAR9,PAR10,PAR1 1,PAR12,PAR13,PAR14) 002 RETURN What type of file are you using? Thanks in advance. Regards, Marcos Fogaca -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de gerry-u2ug Enviada em: terga-feira, 11 de setembro de 2007 18:26 Para: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Assunto: RE: [U2] Universe and triggers Hi Marcos, what version of universe are you running ? We used to use the index w subroutine method you describe but this is now gone in favour of native universe triggers. We have many files in universe with triggers on them , there is no requirement to SQL'ize the table and believe me these tables would take a LOT of work to make them sql conformant. Universe will add a SICA for the table but that's it, any garbage hashed file works just fine afaik. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 11, 2007 04:07 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe and triggers Hi Marcos, Universe seems hellbent on invoking the entire SQL system in order to put a simple trigger on a file. UniData is MUCH more forgiving in that regard. With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. You CANNOT affect data going to the actual file record update as you might with an actual trigger, but you can write information to a tracking database and then I have a background phantom in operation which manages email distribution from the triggered events and what not. I *could* even write back to the originating file record that initiated the trigger -- I've closed off the mortal embrace between phantom and virtual subroutine -- but that will always have a lag time between the actual record update event and the final conclusion of the trigger, so I would not consider it a particularly clean solution for true database triggering. It does work well as a tracking and reporting system, though. Trey -- Original message -- From: Marcos Fogaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe and triggers
Since 10.0. Yes, it works on all file types except 1 and 19. Being directories, they don't have file headers, thus no place to put the SICA. -- Regards, Clif On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Geoffrey Mitchell wrote: I'm not sure in what version it was implemented, but you *can* have triggers on non-SQL files in Universe (and have been able to for some time now). Cataloging the subroutine so that it can be called as a trigger is somewhat weird, and not well documented, but if you search the list archives, you should be able to find what you need to know. We have been using this in production for a couple of years. Actually installing the trigger uses the same syntax as for an SQL table. I believe that this works on all hashed file types (i.e. anything but type 1 or 19 files). --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: RES: [U2] Universe and triggers
Not as of release 10.0. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Marcos Fogaga wrote: The problem is that the TEST.FILE MUST be a UV SQL Table. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Religious Wars
Chill, Chuck! ;-) As Bruce Neylon pointed out, your emotions are leading you to distort things a tad. But, this is such a nice group that no one is going to attack you for venting or suggest that you not do that. Even if tomorrow you wish you'd waited to hit SEND no one here will jump down your throat for expressing yourself. I don't believe anyone wants an un-moderated group -- I know I don't. And I think everyone would agree that the moderators have been doing a fine job and have contributed value to the list far in excess of their pay. So I vote to keep the list moderated. However there have been some valid questions raised, including these: * [AD] tagging - What are the rules? Who decides when a post is an ad? What is the punishment? [MY OPINION] If the sole purpose of a post is clearly to advertise a product it should be tagged in the subject line. Otherwise, we should allow a lot of slack and not worry about it. [/MY OPINION] [DISCLAIMER] I am a software vendor and was recently cyber spanked for a post which Charles (erroneously) categorized as touting a product. [/DISCLAIMER] * u2-community list - Should there be two lists? Who decides when a post should be moved or killed? [MY OPINION] There should only be one list and we should allow a lot of slack before killing a thread. If there are a lot of MP posts I guess that means that quite a few list members are enjoying that thread and I have no problem with it continuing a bit as long as I can identify related posts by subject line. Maybe the list should decide when enough's enough - perhaps five votes from list members to kill a thread? [/MY OPINION] * serious issues - What should cause a moderator to step in, kill a thread, reject a post, revoke list membership or take other serious action? [MY OPINION] Posting of pornography, obscene language, personal attacks against other members, racist or sexist comments, spamming the list, harvesting member addresses for spamming purposes or other posts that offend the list membership. Perhaps feedback from five members ought to be enough to revoke membership; I like the idea of the moderator assisting in the administration of a list that is actually run by the membership. [/MY OPINION] Jeff Fitzgerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2C] Religious Wars All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. So I'm going to take a poll. Everyone who is looking forward to no moderator intervention during the next GOTO war or Single Letter Variable war or next Monty Python Quote jamboree, please sound off your approval. All those who want to see personal attacks unsanctioned, sing out. And please take a moment to vote for obscene and inappropriate comments as well. snip - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: RES: [U2] Universe and triggers
At 04:24 PM 9/11/2007, Marcos Fogaga wrote: Hi Doug, The problem is that the TEST.FILE MUST be a UV SQL Table. In my case, will be a problem if a need to convert my regular files using the command CONVERT.SQL, it will be painful. Not per this line in the FAQ as well as reports from some others posting that they implemented triggers on UV files. From the 10.0 release of UniVerse, and later, it is possible to place a trigger on a UniVerse file. Doug Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager of Technical Services Strategy 7Dallas TX --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] coldfusion login errors with universe [AD]
Hello, This most likely will not be the response you were hoping for but I thought I would let you know that Fusion Direct Java Data Adapter works seamlessly with ColdFusion. Please contact me if you would like further information. Thanks Janet Bond 1.866.266.2326 x159 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:36 PM To: rsaassoc; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] coldfusion login errors with universe REPOSTED FOR NON-MEMBER ADDRESS: rsaassoc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bounce Notice: If you read this list through Indexfocus, Nabble, or any other replicator - and you would like to be able to participate - sign up directly with us. Here's all you need to know: To subscribe or resubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/. Anyone have any idea. uv 10.2 windows xp coldfusion 7. ODBC works with excel and others. Connection verification failed for data source: u2 java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][IBM][UVODBC][2701920]Error ID: 46 Severity: ERROR Facility: DBCAPERR - UCI Error. Func: SQLConnect(); State: IM980; uniVerse code: 0; Msg: [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required.. The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][IBM][UVODBC][2701920]Error ID: 46 Severity: ERROR Facility: DBCAPERR - UCI Error. Func: SQLConnect(); State: IM980; uniVerse code: 0; Msg: [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required.. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: RES: [U2] Universe and triggers
I use triggers on 10.2 files frequently. What file type is GVMTA030? If it's a type 1 or 19, it won't work. If it is a static hashed 2 through 18 it will. Also works on type 30. However, if it is a distributed file, you have to create the trigger on each individual partfile; you cannot name the top level DF. Also, do a tcl .L GVMTA030 And see if there is an M in line four. Creating triggers on multi data level files requires some tricks as the comma is not valid in a file name for CREATE TRIGGER (SQL syntax restriction). -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Marcos Fogaga wrote: Hi, My UV is release 10.2 and if I try convert a regular pick file there are the error message : CREATE TRIGGER T_TRIGGER AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE ON GVMTA030 FOR EACH ROW CALLING '*T_TRIGGER'; UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified. Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!! T_TRIGGER 001 SUBROUTINE T_TRIGGER(PAR1,PAR2,PAR3,PAR4,PAR5,PAR6,PAR7,PAR8,PAR9,PAR10,PAR1 1,PAR12,PAR13,PAR14) 002 RETURN What type of file are you using? Thanks in advance. Regards, Marcos Fogaca -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de gerry-u2ug Enviada em: terga-feira, 11 de setembro de 2007 18:26 Para: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Assunto: RE: [U2] Universe and triggers Hi Marcos, what version of universe are you running ? We used to use the index w subroutine method you describe but this is now gone in favour of native universe triggers. We have many files in universe with triggers on them , there is no requirement to SQL'ize the table and believe me these tables would take a LOT of work to make them sql conformant. Universe will add a SICA for the table but that's it, any garbage hashed file works just fine afaik. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 11, 2007 04:07 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe and triggers Hi Marcos, Universe seems hellbent on invoking the entire SQL system in order to put a simple trigger on a file. UniData is MUCH more forgiving in that regard. With Universe, I have had a certain amount of success making what I call 'indexed subroutines' where by an index on a file calls a virtual Dictionary subroutine which does, in fact, operate as a rudimentary trigger. You CANNOT affect data going to the actual file record update as you might with an actual trigger, but you can write information to a tracking database and then I have a background phantom in operation which manages email distribution from the triggered events and what not. I *could* even write back to the originating file record that initiated the trigger -- I've closed off the mortal embrace between phantom and virtual subroutine -- but that will always have a lag time between the actual record update event and the final conclusion of the trigger, so I would not consider it a particularly clean solution for true database triggering. It does work well as a tracking and reporting system, though. Trey -- Original message -- From: Marcos Fogaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, It is possible create a trigger (subroutine) for a pick file (non SQL table)? On D3 we have CALLX, is there a feature like this in Universe? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Marcos Fogaca Integral Sistemas Sao Paulo / Brazil --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: [U2C] Religious Wars
Well said, Jeff, and good point, Jerry. --dawn On 9/11/07, Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. Do you realize that this thread is actually being talked about on both lists now! :-) Jerry -Original Message- From: Jeff Fitzgerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2C] Religious Wars Chill, Chuck! ;-) As Bruce Neylon pointed out, your emotions are leading you to distort things a tad. But, this is such a nice group that no one is going to attack you for venting or suggest that you not do that. Even if tomorrow you wish you'd waited to hit SEND no one here will jump down your throat for expressing yourself. I don't believe anyone wants an un-moderated group -- I know I don't. And I think everyone would agree that the moderators have been doing a fine job and have contributed value to the list far in excess of their pay. So I vote to keep the list moderated. However there have been some valid questions raised, including these: * [AD] tagging - What are the rules? Who decides when a post is an ad? What is the punishment? [MY OPINION] If the sole purpose of a post is clearly to advertise a product it should be tagged in the subject line. Otherwise, we should allow a lot of slack and not worry about it. [/MY OPINION] [DISCLAIMER] I am a software vendor and was recently cyber spanked for a post which Charles (erroneously) categorized as touting a product. [/DISCLAIMER] * u2-community list - Should there be two lists? Who decides when a post should be moved or killed? [MY OPINION] There should only be one list and we should allow a lot of slack before killing a thread. If there are a lot of MP posts I guess that means that quite a few list members are enjoying that thread and I have no problem with it continuing a bit as long as I can identify related posts by subject line. Maybe the list should decide when enough's enough - perhaps five votes from list members to kill a thread? [/MY OPINION] * serious issues - What should cause a moderator to step in, kill a thread, reject a post, revoke list membership or take other serious action? [MY OPINION] Posting of pornography, obscene language, personal attacks against other members, racist or sexist comments, spamming the list, harvesting member addresses for spamming purposes or other posts that offend the list membership. Perhaps feedback from five members ought to be enough to revoke membership; I like the idea of the moderator assisting in the administration of a list that is actually run by the membership. [/MY OPINION] Jeff Fitzgerald u2-community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Religious Wars
Charles: Cool! A bit-bucket list (or /dev/null). :-) If it works for you it works for me. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:46 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Religious Wars These 2 questions, (moderator/no moderator) (1 list/2 lists), at first glance do appear to be 2 independent questions: I don't think the proposal to merge the 2 lists is a call for no moderator, just to keeping all the discussion together. [snipped] I concur. I would not like the list unmoderated, but I would like both lists together. But I think Chuck B is saying that a good part of his service as moderator consists of flicking runaway threads off u2-users and onto u2-community. [snipped] Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ?
Tim: As far as I can tell, UD doesn't have a BASIC runtime-error log. All of the other logs rarely interest me, but they occasionally do, but this one is a must (or so I thought). I was told all previous UD developers don't make any BASIC coding errors, so I am the first to request such logging; I moved our application from D3 and you know D3 developers can't program. :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Snyder Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:29 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV basic assignment error ? Too bad UD doesn't feel the same way. :-( I'm not sure what this references, but UniData does have a series of log files. They're text files ($UDTBIN/*.log and $UDTBIN/*.errlog), and the information doesn't scroll away if you don't catch the entries quickly enough. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group 717-545-6403 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver
Symeon, Sorry that would be me. I am on the road right now doing the U2 University events. I connect every now and again for brief bursts so haven't had a chance to add you yet. I will do so before the September call. We haven't yet made the GUI IDE part of the EAP drop but may be able to do so in November so you haven't missed anything yet. Jackie Burhans U2 Portfolio Manager IBM Information Management Tel: 303-773-7717 T/L 656-7717 Mobile: 719-238-1553 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Register Now!Tune In! Symeon Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2007 01:46 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver To be a part of the ud7.2 EAP would be nice - I have been asking for months but not heard anything yet, I would definitely be a good tester of the ide if only I could get hold of it .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackie Burhans Sent: 11 September 2007 07:26 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver I thought I'd give a shot at answering some of Doug's questions about the new U2 Developer (aka GUI Basic IDE). Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or UniData 6.1? It will require you to install some Basic routines on the server but should work with older versions. Has it been tested by over 700 users? No, it hasn't been released yet as part of the Early Adoption Program, but it will soon. Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? No, see above. Also currently we have a dependency on a piece that runs on Windows-only. That would have to be resolved before we could run on other platforms. Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We are looking into it. Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? Runs today on Eclipse 3.2 Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? Runs today on JRE 1.4 and 1.5 (aka 5.0) Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? No, see above but watch for our announcement of its availability in our Early Adopter Program. Subscribe to the U2 News Flash if you haven't already and you should see it there soon. We are glad to have feedback from those who see this at U2U and those who will sign up for the EAP, especially those experienced in this technology. We have a number of existing and planned Eclipse-based tools and are looking forward to leveraging our experience to build this new tool and going back to our existing tools and integrating some or all of this tool as appropriate into those. And we're glad to have partners also providing modern development tools for U2--there cannot be too many good tools! Jackie Burhans U2 Portfolio Manager IBM Information Management Tel: 303-773-7717 T/L 656-7717 Mobile: 719-238-1553 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Register Now!Tune In! D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/2007 09:20 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver That U2 Editor you saw at the U2 University will not be out until first quarter 2008 for Unidata and later for Universe. Here are the questions you should be asking. Is it backward compatible to Universe 9.6 or Unidata 6.1? We doubt it! Has it been tested by over 700 users? We doubt it! Has it been test on Mac, Windows, Linux and Fedora? We doubt it! Can you update the product using Eclipse's Update Manager? We doubt it! Does it work on Eclipse 3.3 and Eclipse 3.2? We doubt it! Does it run on Java 1.5 or 1.6? We doubt it! Can we test that Editor today in a real world environment? We doubt it! We are the only company in the U2 market that has the programming expertise and the years of experience that has been producing and selling Eclipse based tools. We are updating our U2 editor and other tools on a daily basis and giving them away. What are you waiting for? Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 University Last Week In Denver I'd also like to add that everyone better start looking into Eclipse because some great things are going to be built on that platform. They are also looking to recruit developers and users for an advisory group. So, if you have some things you would like to see added to the products this is your chance. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] ---
Re: [U2] Religious Wars
I am a subscriber to both lists, and I don't even pay attention to the source list. I have Gmail forward both lists to work, where an Outlook filter pops up a notice, because I like to read things as they come in, again, regardless of the source list, and everything goes to my Saved - U2 folder. So it makes no difference to me if there is one list or two. I say give everyone a vote and the moderator veto power, unless you want to be the moderator. I have seen personal attacks on other lists, and they are ugly and depressing. They make our moderators (past present) worth their weight in gold. -- Louie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Religious Wars
I agree with Allen. It seems fine and I have had no problem with the moderator's judgement to END THREAD. Besides, this forum is far more animated and participated than the D3/Mvbase ones I'm also on. Mvbase could go for weeks without a new topic or reply. Besides, I can quickly skim over the subject lines to see if I'm interested in opening it up. Thanks Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Religious Wars I think we should start a war over this!!! '-) Seriously though, I'm on the everything is just fine side -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 07:34 All, It is no secret that I vehemently disagree with making this an unmoderated list. snip --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Vote here - Religious Wars
Ok, so let's vote. I agree with Jeff's [OPINION]s and Dawn's comments. My votes: Issue 1. A single, lightly moderated list; moderator to intervene in cases of obvious and egregious abuse. (I don't think anyone actually suggested having an un-moderated list; and I'm sure that _everyone_ appreciates the moderators' contributions, efforts and time volunteered to date in maintaining a professional and pleasant on-line community.) -yes Issue 2. Leave placing of [AD] brackets up to the sensibilities of the poster; moderator intervention typically not required. -yes /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
