Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Brian Leach
Hi Will

You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were 
some version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that 
matched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the 
free client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the 
unidk library which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway grin

Brian 

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Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:


I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did 
seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.  
The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.  
Should it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only 
work with locally installed Universe systems.

Will






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Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


 Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.
Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
oes a lot more than just highlight. 
It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
ealing with.
That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. 
In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
ho use it.
Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Mecki Foerthmann

Doug,

Your scenario may work for the classical programmer who just types in 
code that somebody else has written on paper all day, but who actually 
does this these days?

Certainly not me!
And it is not the number of lines of code you can type in a certain 
amount of time, it is the quality of the code and even more the logic 
that counts.
So unless your expensive tool can improve that, I wouldn't waste money 
on it!


And your story about CEOs of fortune 1000 companies being interested in 
the editor you use to write code?

You can tell that to somebody who puts on a hat with a hammer but not me.

Mecki


On 01/09/2011 21:36, Doug Averch wrote:

Hi Mecki:

Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
or about a week and two days.

We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
they want us productive and our code clean.

After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications,
we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the
built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our Eclipse
based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all
of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer and not get
the sale!

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net  wrote:


Doug,
How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
license fee for an editor?
They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
during working hours.
I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
and not you.

I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
change that.
Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

Mecki

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Bill Brutzman
Doug:

Keep up the good work on the XLr8 Editor.

The XLr8 Editor is an outstanding product at an amazingly low price.

--Bill

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Wjhonson

Slight amplification.  You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY.
We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as 
Universe.
Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC 
connecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is 
running I suppose.




Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects 
running anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me?

Or is that a silly question?

Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling uniobjects 
which is running on server y.  So it seems possible





-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


Hi Will
You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were 
ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that 
atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the 
ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk 
ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway grin
Brian 
Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:

I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did 
eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.  
he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.  
hould it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work 
ith locally installed Universe systems.

Will






-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


 Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.
Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
oes a lot more than just highlight. 
It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
ealing with.
That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. 
In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
ho use it.
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Glenn Sallis

Will,

In my original email, I already stated:

It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs 
to be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the 
server.


Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper 
on, to which the keyboard is connected on  which you are typing.


Glenn

Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson:

Slight amplification.  You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY.
We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as 
Universe.
Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC 
connecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is 
running I suppose.




Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects running anywhere I 
can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me?

Or is that a silly question?

Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling uniobjects 
which is running on server y.  So it seems possible





-Original Message-
From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


Hi Will
You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were
ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that
atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the
ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk
ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin
Brian
Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com  wrote:
I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did
eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.
he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.
hould it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work
ith locally installed Universe systems.

Will






-Original Message-
From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS



Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.

Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
oes a lot more than just highlight.
It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
ealing with.
That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help ..
In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
ho use it.
Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Wjhonson
Well then could MVDeveloper be installed on the same server as Universe and 
just launched via a shortcut link.









-Original Message-
From: Glenn Sallis u...@glennsallis.de
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:59 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


Will,
In my original email, I already stated:
It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs 
o be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the 
erver.
Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper 
n, to which the keyboard is connected on  which you are typing.
Glenn
Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson:
 Slight amplification.  You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY.
 We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as 
niverse.
 Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC 
onnecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is 
unning I suppose.




 Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects 
unning anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me?

 Or is that a silly question?

 Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling 
niobjects which is running on server y.  So it seems possible





 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
 To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am
 Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


 Hi Will
 You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were
 ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that
 atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the
 ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the 
nidk
 ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin
 Brian
 Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
 Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com  wrote:
 I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did
 eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

 And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.
 he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.
 hould it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work
 ith locally installed Universe systems.

 Will






 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
 To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am
 Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


 Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.
 Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
 oes a lot more than just highlight.
 It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
 ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
 ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
 oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
 ealing with.
 That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
 ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
 n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
 revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
 or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
 dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help ..
 In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
 ho use it.
 Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Doug Averch
Hi Mecki:

Obviously, I'm passionate about tools.  Before 2004, the only thing I could
use was a line by line editor or full screen editors for Unix or full screen
editors for Windows.  Neither of those are viable options after spending
years in Microsoft tools with code completion, syntax verification, source
code control, and many more features.

Eclipse, although bulky when compared to single editors, is not that big
when compared to IDE's.  I can do code searches without using ESEARCH.  I
can do code compares within Eclipse without using windows utilities.  I have
unlimited copies of all of the program changes I've made in my local history
of Eclipse. I can right click on a file and see the entire dictionary in a
grid that I can edit.  I'm more productive without going to telnet to check
or find out information that those non-IDE's make me do.

There are no black and white arguments that would make you change and I know
that.  See this article:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/my-manifesto-only-idiot-would-disagree-171350?source=IFWNLE_nlt_stradev_2011-09-01

Good Luck,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
Tools for the passionate programmers


On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote:

 Doug,

 Your scenario may work for the classical programmer who just types in code
 that somebody else has written on paper all day, but who actually does this
 these days?
 Certainly not me!
 And it is not the number of lines of code you can type in a certain amount
 of time, it is the quality of the code and even more the logic that counts.
 So unless your expensive tool can improve that, I wouldn't waste money on
 it!

 And your story about CEOs of fortune 1000 companies being interested in the
 editor you use to write code?
 You can tell that to somebody who puts on a hat with a hammer but not me.

 Mecki
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-02 Thread Glenn Sallis

Not if the server is running Linux or Unix.

As for a Windows server, I really don't know and I cannot imagine it is 
worth the effort finding out. The UniObjects libraries are an 
indispensible set of libraries, in fact, absolutely necessary, to have 
on your machine if you are doing anything other than green-screen 
development. Together with the fact that mvDeveloper is very 
lightweight, I don't see any reason why you would not want to run it on 
your local machine.


Glenn

Am 02.09.2011 19:01, schrieb Wjhonson:

Well then could MVDeveloper be installed on the same server as Universe and 
just launched via a shortcut link.









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From: Glenn Sallisu...@glennsallis.de
To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:59 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


Will,
In my original email, I already stated:
It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs
o be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the
erver.
Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper
n, to which the keyboard is connected on  which you are typing.
Glenn
Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson:
  Slight amplification.  You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY.
  We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as
niverse.
  Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC
onnecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is
unning I suppose.




  Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects
unning anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me?

  Or is that a silly question?

  Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling
niobjects which is running on server y.  So it seems possible





  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
  To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
  Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am
  Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


  Hi Will
  You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were
  ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that
  atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the
  ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the
nidk
  ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin
  Brian
  Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
  Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com   wrote:
  I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did
  eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

  And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.
  he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.
  hould it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work
  ith locally installed Universe systems.

  Will






  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk
  To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
  Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am
  Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS



Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.

  Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
  oes a lot more than just highlight.
  It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
  ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
  ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
  oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
  ealing with.
  That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
  ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
  n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
  revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
  or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
  dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help ..
  In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
  ho use it.
  Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Mecki Foerthmann

Doug,
How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual 
license fee for an editor?
They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee 
during working hours.
I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME 
more and not you.


I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot 
of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 
year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your 
tool won't change that.

Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

Mecki

On 01/09/2011 02:18, Doug Averch wrote:

Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your
workstation.  Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using
any Eclipse based software.

If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad
for you but your boss does.  If you are worried about your client machine
that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using
antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year.

Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with
line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever?

Regards,
Doug
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Charlie Noah

Hi Doug,

A few questions:

How do you know how much disk space there is on my workstation?
How do you know what my CPU is doing?
Since when does my workstation cost nothing?
When did VIM, EMACS and Notepad+ become line editors?

When you are replying to a post, would you at least quote the salient 
portions of that post? It puts your reply in context, especially for 
someone who didn't read the original.


Regards,

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On 08-31-2011 8:18 PM, Doug Averch wrote:

Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your
workstation.  Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using
any Eclipse based software.

If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad
for you but your boss does.  If you are worried about your client machine
that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using
antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year.

Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with
line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever?

Regards,
Doug
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Buffington, Wyatt
I got my HyperEdit to work. All happy now.
Thanks for all the responses, it was a real eye-opener.



Wyatt Buffington
AMPS Support
Manitoba Hydro


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Hi Doug,

A few questions:

How do you know how much disk space there is on my workstation?
How do you know what my CPU is doing?
Since when does my workstation cost nothing?
When did VIM, EMACS and Notepad+ become line editors?

When you are replying to a post, would you at least quote the salient 
portions of that post? It puts your reply in context, especially for 
someone who didn't read the original.

Regards,

Charlie Noah
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cwn...@comcast.net
http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlienoah

The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do 
not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my 
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enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them.


On 08-31-2011 8:18 PM, Doug Averch wrote:
 Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your
 workstation.  Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using
 any Eclipse based software.

 If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad
 for you but your boss does.  If you are worried about your client machine
 that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using
 antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year.

 Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with
 line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever?

 Regards,
 Doug
 www.u2logic.com/tools.html
 Building tools for the next generation
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Brian Leach
 Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.

Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
does a lot more than just highlight. 

It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
more efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
editor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
both score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
dealing with.

That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
right click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
in a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
previous label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
for PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
edit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. 

In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
who use it.

Brian


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Wjhonson

I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did 
seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.  
The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.  
Should it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work 
with locally installed Universe systems.

Will






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From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk
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Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


 Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.
Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
oes a lot more than just highlight. 
It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
ealing with.
That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. 
In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
ho use it.
Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Glenn Sallis

Hi Will,

You should be able to connect to a UV machine anywhere on planet earth 
using mvDeveloper.


It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs 
to be on your local machine in order to expedite the connection to the 
server.


One way to get this on your machine is to download the UniVerse Clients 
software package from the Rocket Website and install the UniDK, which 
will show as one of the items to install on the installation screen.


http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-universe.html

After you have installed this you should find the UODOTNET in the 
following folder on your C: drive:


C:\U2\UniDK\uonet\bin

Then I am presuming your connection from mvDeveloper to any UV database, 
irrelevant of location or OS should work.


Grüße
Glenn

Am 01.09.2011 21:44, schrieb Wjhonson:

I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did 
seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry.

And I like that it's only 5 Meg.  But my host is a remote system, not local.  
The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects.  
Should it be able to find it over a network connection?  Or does this only work 
with locally installed Universe systems.

Will






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Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS



Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.

Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor -
oes a lot more than just highlight.
It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and
ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's
ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they
oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are
ealing with.
That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can
ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label
n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to
revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even
or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can
dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help ..
In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people
ho use it.
Brian

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Doug Averch
Hi Mecki:

Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
or about a week and two days.

We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
they want us productive and our code clean.

After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications,
we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the
built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our Eclipse
based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all
of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer and not get
the sale!

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote:

 Doug,
 How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
 license fee for an editor?
 They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
 during working hours.
 I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
 and not you.

 I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
 time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
 But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
 old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
 change that.
 Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
 And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Doug Averch
Oops, I should have used a calculator 9670 should have been 11,200

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mecki:

 Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
 hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
 of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

 This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
 of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
 for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
 pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
 works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
 have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
 or about a week and two days.

 We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
 world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
 VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
 this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
 they want us productive and our code clean.

 After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software
 applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program
 using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our
 Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management
 asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer
 and not get the sale!

 Regards,
 Doug
 www.u2logic.com/tools.html
 XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers


 On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote:

 Doug,
 How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
 license fee for an editor?
 They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
 during working hours.
 I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
 and not you.

 I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
 time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
 But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
 old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
 change that.
 Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
 And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

 Mecki


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Doug Averch
Oops, should have used that darn calculator: 11,200 lines of code saving the
company $1600.00.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mecki:

 Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
 hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
 of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

 This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
 of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
 for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
 pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
 works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
 have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
 or about a week and two days.

 We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
 world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
 VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
 this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
 they want us productive and our code clean.

 After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software
 applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program
 using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our
 Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management
 asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer
 and not get the sale!

 Regards,
 Doug
 www.u2logic.com/tools.html
 XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers


 On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote:

 Doug,
 How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
 license fee for an editor?
 They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
 during working hours.
 I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
 and not you.

 I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
 time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
 But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
 old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
 change that.
 Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
 And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

 Mecki


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Glenn Sallis

Doug,

The notion of lines of code being  a measure of productivity makes me 
uneasy.


It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED 
which solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer 
who writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem 
using GUI Editor X.


So yes, to a certain extent the tool you use can help, but whether money 
is saved or not depends heavily on the mind and skills of the person 
using the tool.


As for me, I am still writing my code using Quills and Parchment, and 
still have a solution faster than using other mainstream technologies, 
although I do plan to upgrade to vi or ED at some point ;-)


Glenn

Am 01.09.2011 22:36, schrieb Doug Averch:

Hi Mecki:

Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
or about a week and two days.

We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
they want us productive and our code clean.

After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications,
we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the
built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our Eclipse
based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all
of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer and not get
the sale!

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net  wrote:


Doug,
How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
license fee for an editor?
They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
during working hours.
I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
and not you.

I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
change that.
Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

Mecki

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Wjhonson

Glenn just upgrading from parchment to paper will save the lives of many goats 
and you won't need to spend all those hours scraping the skins to the right 
thinness, before you can use it.

I find also that quills have a nasty tendency to drip Is that line of code X = 
45? or does it say No sex after 45?
The difference could be staggering.







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From: Glenn Sallis u...@glennsallis.de
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Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS


Doug,
The notion of lines of code being  a measure of productivity makes me 
neasy.
It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED 
hich solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer 
ho writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem 
sing GUI Editor X.
So yes, to a certain extent the tool you use can help, but whether money 
s saved or not depends heavily on the mind and skills of the person 
sing the tool.
As for me, I am still writing my code using Quills and Parchment, and 
till have a solution faster than using other mainstream technologies, 
lthough I do plan to upgrade to vi or ED at some point ;-)
Glenn
Am 01.09.2011 22:36, schrieb Doug Averch:
 Hi Mecki:

 Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per
 hour.  You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits.  So the cost
 of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60)  9600
 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00.

 This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines
 of code per hour.  You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code
 for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00.  So the $49.00 you
 pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math
 works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour.  You only
 have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it,
 or about a week and two days.

 We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the
 world.  We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools:
 VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED.  If you are not a programmer, then
 this, or any tool, as limited value.  But for the rest of us and our boss,
 they want us productive and our code clean.

 After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications,
 we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the
 built-in editors in Unidata and Universe.  Before we developed our Eclipse
 based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all
 of the time: Is this a DOS tool?  Of course not we would answer and not get
 the sale!

 Regards,
 Doug
 www.u2logic.com/tools.html
 XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers

 On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net  wrote:

 Doug,
 How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual
 license fee for an editor?
 They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee
 during working hours.
 I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more
 and not you.

 I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of
 time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy.
 But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year
 old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't
 change that.
 Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks.
 And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last.

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Steve Romanow
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:

 Glenn just upgrading from parchment to paper will save the lives of many 
 goats and you won't need to spend all those hours scraping the skins to the 
 right thinness, before you can use it.

 I find also that quills have a nasty tendency to drip Is that line of code X 
 = 45? or does it say No sex after 45?
 The difference could be staggering.


omg, only 3 years left o.0
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-09-01 Thread Wols Lists
On 01/09/11 21:52, Glenn Sallis wrote:
 Doug,
 
 The notion of lines of code being  a measure of productivity makes me
 uneasy.
 
 It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED
 which solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer
 who writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem
 using GUI Editor X.

:-)

Says me who rather upset my supervisor of the time by rewriting some
code he was oh so proud of. I replaced about 8 pages of printout with
some ten lines or so ...

Just because I knew about MATPARSE.

Cheers,
Wol
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[U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Buffington, Wyatt
Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
edit UniBasic programs?
I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded 
my laptop and it will not run.
Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Wyatt



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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Steve Romanow
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt
wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
 edit UniBasic programs?
 I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded 
 my laptop and it will not run.
 Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible.

 Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 Wyatt



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Any of the latest batch of programmer editors can hilight unibasic
code for you.  I am using vim on 64bit win7 with unibasic.vim plugin.

UltraEdit is awesome.  I used it for a few years, and can get you a
unibasic syntax file.

If you dont want to spend any money,  I _think Notepad++ has syntax
highlighting.
http://notepad-plus-plus.org/
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Glenn Sallis

Hi Wyatt

Rocket have supplied Editor software which is downloadable for free from 
their website called the Basic Developer Toolkit. Which as the name 
indicates, it offers more than just an editor. You can download this here:


http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-basic.html

Another good free Editor that I can recommend is called mvDeveloper from 
Brian Leach Consulting. I use this often for UniVerse development due to 
its being much more lightweight than the BDT. You can download this here:


http://www.brianleach.co.uk/pages/mvdeveloper.htm

When I am doing work for customers with other MultiValue flavours I tend 
to use WED which ships with AccuTerm.


As to whether they are 64 bit compatible I do not know. You will have to 
test and see.


Regards
Glenn


Am 31.08.2011 20:03, schrieb Buffington, Wyatt:

Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
edit UniBasic programs?
I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded 
my laptop and it will not run.
Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Wyatt



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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Wjhonson

It should be remarked that this Rocket download also requires Eclipse to be 
loaded.
It's an enormousely huge and fat monster for such a simple task.










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Hi Wyatt
Rocket have supplied Editor software which is downloadable for free from 
heir website called the Basic Developer Toolkit. Which as the name 
ndicates, it offers more than just an editor. You can download this here:
http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-basic.html
Another good free Editor that I can recommend is called mvDeveloper from 
rian Leach Consulting. I use this often for UniVerse development due to 
ts being much more lightweight than the BDT. You can download this here:
http://www.brianleach.co.uk/pages/mvdeveloper.htm
When I am doing work for customers with other MultiValue flavours I tend 
o use WED which ships with AccuTerm.
As to whether they are 64 bit compatible I do not know. You will have to 
est and see.
Regards
lenn

m 31.08.2011 20:03, schrieb Buffington, Wyatt:
 Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
dit UniBasic programs?
 I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded 
y laptop and it will not run.
 Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible.

 Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 Wyatt



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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Steve Romanow
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:

 It should be remarked that this Rocket download also requires Eclipse to be 
 loaded.
 It's an enormousely huge and fat monster for such a simple task.



here we go again :)  Our bimonthly eclipse discussion ;D
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Rex Gozar
I use Notepad++.  Instructions for configuring Notepad++ to do
UniBasic syntax highlighting:

http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NotepadPlusPlus

rex

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt
wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
 edit UniBasic programs?
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[U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Buffington, Wyatt
Thank you all for your responses. This will give me a lot to chew on and I look 
forward to evaluating each to find the best fit for our situation.

Wyatt

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Israel, John R.
I use SlickEdit.  It allows me to color code things as I wish.

I also sometimes use NotePad++.


John Israel
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
1125 Byers Road
Miamisburg, OH  45342

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I use Notepad++.  Instructions for configuring Notepad++ to do
UniBasic syntax highlighting:

http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NotepadPlusPlus

rex

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt
wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
 edit UniBasic programs?
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Will Goodwin
I know I haven't ever posted in here before ... I just lurk and read all
the responses.

 

I've actually used mvDeveloper and it works on a 64-bit OS though it is
a bit quirky.  

I've used WED with Accuterm and it works GREAT on a 64-bit OS - this is
my preferred method.  

I use Notepad++ occasionally, but I don't have a syntax file that can be
used for UniBasic.  Also not sure where to get one, so if someone can
post a link, that would be great. 

I haven't used the Rocket one ... I have started the download and then
read the part about Eclipse... don't have that installed :P.  Oh well,
maybe later.

 

Thanks for all the great advice and info, keep it coming.

Will Goodwin

(Pick Noob - cut my teeth reading Doug Chanco programs.  Hi Doug! )

 

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Tom Whitmore
Will, when you install BDT it will install Eclipse.  I have not had a problem 
with installing the tool.
Tom
RATEX Business Solutions

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I know I haven't ever posted in here before ... I just lurk and read all the 
responses.

 

I've actually used mvDeveloper and it works on a 64-bit OS though it is a bit 
quirky.  

I've used WED with Accuterm and it works GREAT on a 64-bit OS - this is my 
preferred method.  

I use Notepad++ occasionally, but I don't have a syntax file that can be used 
for UniBasic.  Also not sure where to get one, so if someone can post a link, 
that would be great. 

I haven't used the Rocket one ... I have started the download and then read the 
part about Eclipse... don't have that installed :P.  Oh well, maybe later.

 

Thanks for all the great advice and info, keep it coming.

Will Goodwin

(Pick Noob - cut my teeth reading Doug Chanco programs.  Hi Doug! )

 

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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Doug Averch
Hi:

I have sent Wyatt a off list note about our Eclipse based XLr8Editor, so as
not earn the ire of everyone on the list without an [ad].

Except for BDT, mvDeveloper, XLr8Editor all of the other products cannot
connect to the database, so you really editing your program on either on a
shared drive or your local drive.  So, rhetorically speaking, how do you
compile?  You cannot within any of those editors.  You can kick off a
script, or login in to a telnet session to compile your code. Yuck!

Come on guys and gals, get with the program here.  Stop looking like a
lemming or voles as we call him here in the west.  Let's start using state
of art tools that can compile our code, or check syntax, or highlight syntax
errors, or can edit dictionary in a grid format.  All of these must be
something that can impress our other DB brethren that we are not just coding
in Dartmouth Basic.

Regards
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
XLr8Editor still only $49.00
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Wjhonson

BDT = 280 Megabytes
Really?
To highlight code?


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Steve Romanow
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:

 BDT = 280 Megabytes
 Really?
 To highlight code?


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its the Eclipse factor
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Doug Averch
Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a
Mac, or a Windows machine.  Megabytes means nothing in today's world.  We
use to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb.  We now take upwards
of 10mb.  Buy more memory!

Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web
interfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever.  That is more impressive
than comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:


 BDT = 280 Megabytes
 Really?
 To highlight code?


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Wjhonson

Disk space not memory.
I don't like helping contribute to code bloat.
Our entire ERP code base does not take up 280 megabytes.
There's no reason in my mind why an IDE should be so enormous regardless.
Any IDE.  Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code.






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Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a
ac, or a Windows machine.  Megabytes means nothing in today's world.  We
se to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb.  We now take upwards
f 10mb.  Buy more memory!
Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web
nterfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever.  That is more impressive
han comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:

 BDT = 280 Megabytes
 Really?
 To highlight code?


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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Wols Lists
On 31/08/11 22:46, Doug Averch wrote:
 Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a
 Mac, or a Windows machine.  Megabytes means nothing in today's world.  We
 use to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb.  We now take upwards
 of 10mb.  Buy more memory!

How? RAM is backing store now. CPUs have 1/2 or 1 meg cache, and its
rather expensive (that is, if it's possible) to buy more.

Spill over that, and your performance can take quite a hit.
 
 Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web
 interfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever.  That is more impressive
 than comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run.

More impressive it may be. But why waste resource unnecessarily,
especially if it has a noticeable impact (yes I know, computers are now
*often* too fast to notice a bit of speed difference. But not always.)

Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

2011-08-31 Thread Doug Averch
Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your
workstation.  Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using
any Eclipse based software.

If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad
for you but your boss does.  If you are worried about your client machine
that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using
antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year.

Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with
line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever?

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
Building tools for the next generation
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