Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were some version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that matched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the free client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk library which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway grin Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. Should it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work with locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Doug, Your scenario may work for the classical programmer who just types in code that somebody else has written on paper all day, but who actually does this these days? Certainly not me! And it is not the number of lines of code you can type in a certain amount of time, it is the quality of the code and even more the logic that counts. So unless your expensive tool can improve that, I wouldn't waste money on it! And your story about CEOs of fortune 1000 companies being interested in the editor you use to write code? You can tell that to somebody who puts on a hat with a hammer but not me. Mecki On 01/09/2011 21:36, Doug Averch wrote: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Doug: Keep up the good work on the XLr8 Editor. The XLr8 Editor is an outstanding product at an amazingly low price. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as Universe. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC connecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is running I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects running anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me? Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling uniobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway grin Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Will, In my original email, I already stated: It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs to be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the server. Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper on, to which the keyboard is connected on which you are typing. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson: Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as Universe. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC connecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is running I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects running anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me? Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling uniobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Well then could MVDeveloper be installed on the same server as Universe and just launched via a shortcut link. -Original Message- From: Glenn Sallis u...@glennsallis.de To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:59 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Will, In my original email, I already stated: It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs o be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the erver. Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper n, to which the keyboard is connected on which you are typing. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson: Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as niverse. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC onnecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is unning I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects unning anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me? Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling niobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the nidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Mecki: Obviously, I'm passionate about tools. Before 2004, the only thing I could use was a line by line editor or full screen editors for Unix or full screen editors for Windows. Neither of those are viable options after spending years in Microsoft tools with code completion, syntax verification, source code control, and many more features. Eclipse, although bulky when compared to single editors, is not that big when compared to IDE's. I can do code searches without using ESEARCH. I can do code compares within Eclipse without using windows utilities. I have unlimited copies of all of the program changes I've made in my local history of Eclipse. I can right click on a file and see the entire dictionary in a grid that I can edit. I'm more productive without going to telnet to check or find out information that those non-IDE's make me do. There are no black and white arguments that would make you change and I know that. See this article: http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/my-manifesto-only-idiot-would-disagree-171350?source=IFWNLE_nlt_stradev_2011-09-01 Good Luck, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html Tools for the passionate programmers On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, Your scenario may work for the classical programmer who just types in code that somebody else has written on paper all day, but who actually does this these days? Certainly not me! And it is not the number of lines of code you can type in a certain amount of time, it is the quality of the code and even more the logic that counts. So unless your expensive tool can improve that, I wouldn't waste money on it! And your story about CEOs of fortune 1000 companies being interested in the editor you use to write code? You can tell that to somebody who puts on a hat with a hammer but not me. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Not if the server is running Linux or Unix. As for a Windows server, I really don't know and I cannot imagine it is worth the effort finding out. The UniObjects libraries are an indispensible set of libraries, in fact, absolutely necessary, to have on your machine if you are doing anything other than green-screen development. Together with the fact that mvDeveloper is very lightweight, I don't see any reason why you would not want to run it on your local machine. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 19:01, schrieb Wjhonson: Well then could MVDeveloper be installed on the same server as Universe and just launched via a shortcut link. -Original Message- From: Glenn Sallisu...@glennsallis.de To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:59 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Will, In my original email, I already stated: It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs o be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the erver. Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper n, to which the keyboard is connected on which you are typing. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson: Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as niverse. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC onnecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is unning I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, Gee is Uniobjects unning anywhere I can sense? Or anywhere you can *tell* me? Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling niobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the nidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anywaygrin Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonsonwjhon...@aol.com wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki On 01/09/2011 02:18, Doug Averch wrote: Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your workstation. Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using any Eclipse based software. If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad for you but your boss does. If you are worried about your client machine that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year. Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html Building tools for the next generation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Doug, A few questions: How do you know how much disk space there is on my workstation? How do you know what my CPU is doing? Since when does my workstation cost nothing? When did VIM, EMACS and Notepad+ become line editors? When you are replying to a post, would you at least quote the salient portions of that post? It puts your reply in context, especially for someone who didn't read the original. Regards, Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlienoah The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 08-31-2011 8:18 PM, Doug Averch wrote: Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your workstation. Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using any Eclipse based software. If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad for you but your boss does. If you are worried about your client machine that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year. Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html Building tools for the next generation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I got my HyperEdit to work. All happy now. Thanks for all the responses, it was a real eye-opener. Wyatt Buffington AMPS Support Manitoba Hydro -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Doug, A few questions: How do you know how much disk space there is on my workstation? How do you know what my CPU is doing? Since when does my workstation cost nothing? When did VIM, EMACS and Notepad+ become line editors? When you are replying to a post, would you at least quote the salient portions of that post? It puts your reply in context, especially for someone who didn't read the original. Regards, Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlienoah The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 08-31-2011 8:18 PM, Doug Averch wrote: Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your workstation. Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using any Eclipse based software. If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad for you but your boss does. If you are worried about your client machine that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year. Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html Building tools for the next generation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - does a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and more efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's editor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they both score over general editors is in understanding the code they are dealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can right click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label in a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to previous label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even for PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can edit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people who use it. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. Should it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work with locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Will, You should be able to connect to a UV machine anywhere on planet earth using mvDeveloper. It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs to be on your local machine in order to expedite the connection to the server. One way to get this on your machine is to download the UniVerse Clients software package from the Rocket Website and install the UniDK, which will show as one of the items to install on the installation screen. http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-universe.html After you have installed this you should find the UODOTNET in the following folder on your C: drive: C:\U2\UniDK\uonet\bin Then I am presuming your connection from mvDeveloper to any UV database, irrelevant of location or OS should work. Grüße Glenn Am 01.09.2011 21:44, schrieb Wjhonson: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. Should it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work with locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leachbr...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Oops, I should have used a calculator 9670 should have been 11,200 On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Oops, should have used that darn calculator: 11,200 lines of code saving the company $1600.00. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Doug, The notion of lines of code being a measure of productivity makes me uneasy. It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED which solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer who writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem using GUI Editor X. So yes, to a certain extent the tool you use can help, but whether money is saved or not depends heavily on the mind and skills of the person using the tool. As for me, I am still writing my code using Quills and Parchment, and still have a solution faster than using other mainstream technologies, although I do plan to upgrade to vi or ED at some point ;-) Glenn Am 01.09.2011 22:36, schrieb Doug Averch: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Glenn just upgrading from parchment to paper will save the lives of many goats and you won't need to spend all those hours scraping the skins to the right thinness, before you can use it. I find also that quills have a nasty tendency to drip Is that line of code X = 45? or does it say No sex after 45? The difference could be staggering. -Original Message- From: Glenn Sallis u...@glennsallis.de To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Doug, The notion of lines of code being a measure of productivity makes me neasy. It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED hich solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer ho writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem sing GUI Editor X. So yes, to a certain extent the tool you use can help, but whether money s saved or not depends heavily on the mind and skills of the person sing the tool. As for me, I am still writing my code using Quills and Parchment, and till have a solution faster than using other mainstream technologies, lthough I do plan to upgrade to vi or ED at some point ;-) Glenn Am 01.09.2011 22:36, schrieb Doug Averch: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Glenn just upgrading from parchment to paper will save the lives of many goats and you won't need to spend all those hours scraping the skins to the right thinness, before you can use it. I find also that quills have a nasty tendency to drip Is that line of code X = 45? or does it say No sex after 45? The difference could be staggering. omg, only 3 years left o.0 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On 01/09/11 21:52, Glenn Sallis wrote: Doug, The notion of lines of code being a measure of productivity makes me uneasy. It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED which solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer who writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem using GUI Editor X. :-) Says me who rather upset my supervisor of the time by rewriting some code he was oh so proud of. I replaced about 8 pages of printout with some ten lines or so ... Just because I knew about MATPARSE. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded my laptop and it will not run. Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded my laptop and it will not run. Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Any of the latest batch of programmer editors can hilight unibasic code for you. I am using vim on 64bit win7 with unibasic.vim plugin. UltraEdit is awesome. I used it for a few years, and can get you a unibasic syntax file. If you dont want to spend any money, I _think Notepad++ has syntax highlighting. http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Wyatt Rocket have supplied Editor software which is downloadable for free from their website called the Basic Developer Toolkit. Which as the name indicates, it offers more than just an editor. You can download this here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-basic.html Another good free Editor that I can recommend is called mvDeveloper from Brian Leach Consulting. I use this often for UniVerse development due to its being much more lightweight than the BDT. You can download this here: http://www.brianleach.co.uk/pages/mvdeveloper.htm When I am doing work for customers with other MultiValue flavours I tend to use WED which ships with AccuTerm. As to whether they are 64 bit compatible I do not know. You will have to test and see. Regards Glenn Am 31.08.2011 20:03, schrieb Buffington, Wyatt: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded my laptop and it will not run. Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
It should be remarked that this Rocket download also requires Eclipse to be loaded. It's an enormousely huge and fat monster for such a simple task. -Original Message- From: Glenn Sallis u...@glennsallis.de To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Wyatt Rocket have supplied Editor software which is downloadable for free from heir website called the Basic Developer Toolkit. Which as the name ndicates, it offers more than just an editor. You can download this here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-basic.html Another good free Editor that I can recommend is called mvDeveloper from rian Leach Consulting. I use this often for UniVerse development due to ts being much more lightweight than the BDT. You can download this here: http://www.brianleach.co.uk/pages/mvdeveloper.htm When I am doing work for customers with other MultiValue flavours I tend o use WED which ships with AccuTerm. As to whether they are 64 bit compatible I do not know. You will have to est and see. Regards lenn m 31.08.2011 20:03, schrieb Buffington, Wyatt: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to dit UniBasic programs? I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded y laptop and it will not run. Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: It should be remarked that this Rocket download also requires Eclipse to be loaded. It's an enormousely huge and fat monster for such a simple task. here we go again :) Our bimonthly eclipse discussion ;D ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I use Notepad++. Instructions for configuring Notepad++ to do UniBasic syntax highlighting: http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NotepadPlusPlus rex On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Thank you all for your responses. This will give me a lot to chew on and I look forward to evaluating each to find the best fit for our situation. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I use SlickEdit. It allows me to color code things as I wish. I also sometimes use NotePad++. John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 1125 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH 45342 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS I use Notepad++. Instructions for configuring Notepad++ to do UniBasic syntax highlighting: http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NotepadPlusPlus rex On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt wgbuffing...@hydro.mb.ca wrote: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I know I haven't ever posted in here before ... I just lurk and read all the responses. I've actually used mvDeveloper and it works on a 64-bit OS though it is a bit quirky. I've used WED with Accuterm and it works GREAT on a 64-bit OS - this is my preferred method. I use Notepad++ occasionally, but I don't have a syntax file that can be used for UniBasic. Also not sure where to get one, so if someone can post a link, that would be great. I haven't used the Rocket one ... I have started the download and then read the part about Eclipse... don't have that installed :P. Oh well, maybe later. Thanks for all the great advice and info, keep it coming. Will Goodwin (Pick Noob - cut my teeth reading Doug Chanco programs. Hi Doug! ) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Will, when you install BDT it will install Eclipse. I have not had a problem with installing the tool. Tom RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Will Goodwin Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:18 PM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS I know I haven't ever posted in here before ... I just lurk and read all the responses. I've actually used mvDeveloper and it works on a 64-bit OS though it is a bit quirky. I've used WED with Accuterm and it works GREAT on a 64-bit OS - this is my preferred method. I use Notepad++ occasionally, but I don't have a syntax file that can be used for UniBasic. Also not sure where to get one, so if someone can post a link, that would be great. I haven't used the Rocket one ... I have started the download and then read the part about Eclipse... don't have that installed :P. Oh well, maybe later. Thanks for all the great advice and info, keep it coming. Will Goodwin (Pick Noob - cut my teeth reading Doug Chanco programs. Hi Doug! ) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi: I have sent Wyatt a off list note about our Eclipse based XLr8Editor, so as not earn the ire of everyone on the list without an [ad]. Except for BDT, mvDeveloper, XLr8Editor all of the other products cannot connect to the database, so you really editing your program on either on a shared drive or your local drive. So, rhetorically speaking, how do you compile? You cannot within any of those editors. You can kick off a script, or login in to a telnet session to compile your code. Yuck! Come on guys and gals, get with the program here. Stop looking like a lemming or voles as we call him here in the west. Let's start using state of art tools that can compile our code, or check syntax, or highlight syntax errors, or can edit dictionary in a grid format. All of these must be something that can impress our other DB brethren that we are not just coding in Dartmouth Basic. Regards Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html XLr8Editor still only $49.00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
BDT = 280 Megabytes Really? To highlight code? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: BDT = 280 Megabytes Really? To highlight code? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users its the Eclipse factor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a Mac, or a Windows machine. Megabytes means nothing in today's world. We use to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb. We now take upwards of 10mb. Buy more memory! Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web interfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever. That is more impressive than comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: BDT = 280 Megabytes Really? To highlight code? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Disk space not memory. I don't like helping contribute to code bloat. Our entire ERP code base does not take up 280 megabytes. There's no reason in my mind why an IDE should be so enormous regardless. Any IDE. Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. -Original Message- From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a ac, or a Windows machine. Megabytes means nothing in today's world. We se to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb. We now take upwards f 10mb. Buy more memory! Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web nterfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever. That is more impressive han comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: BDT = 280 Megabytes Really? To highlight code? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
On 31/08/11 22:46, Doug Averch wrote: Program size means nothing today when I can run Eclipse on a Notebook, or a Mac, or a Windows machine. Megabytes means nothing in today's world. We use to worry that our udt or uv process took a 1/2mb. We now take upwards of 10mb. Buy more memory! How? RAM is backing store now. CPUs have 1/2 or 1 meg cache, and its rather expensive (that is, if it's possible) to buy more. Spill over that, and your performance can take quite a hit. Let's try to show users and clients what we can do with NET clients, Web interfaces, iPhone's, Android Phone's and whatever. That is more impressive than comparing how much memory Eclipse takes to run. More impressive it may be. But why waste resource unnecessarily, especially if it has a noticeable impact (yes I know, computers are now *often* too fast to notice a bit of speed difference. But not always.) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Eclipse runs as client software. You have plenty of disk space on your workstation. Your workstation CPU is barely registering when you are using any Eclipse based software. If you don't want to use a tool that will save your company money, too bad for you but your boss does. If you are worried about your client machine that cost nothing compared to what an unproductive programmer wastes using antiquated tools, you may not have a job next year. Do you think any twenty-five year old programmer would be caught dead with line editor like AE, ED, VIM, EMACS, Notepad+, or whatever? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html Building tools for the next generation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
