Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Also recall that earlier typewriters didn't have a '1' key, rather you used the lower-case L. - Original Message - From: "Bill H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Upper Case and Editors > Arnold: > > One can only hope the more "experienced" engineers of the U2 products are > listening. One "work-around" after another make life more difficult not > less. In the 21st century a solution would be helpful. > > Case sensitivity is a "blight" on the landscape of computing perpetuated by > systems whose history was written by two-fingured typists and engineering > challenged equipment. Someone mentioned recently the "caps" limitations of > "Prism" terminals, as though typewriters haven't been around since the > beginning of the 20th century and, certainly, noone had ever learned to use > such "contraptions". :-) > > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arnold Bosch > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:38 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors > > [snipped] > > ...I find it annoying having to switch caps-lock all the time - what happens > a lot is that I switch to another window and start typing away merrily, only > to realise after a couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that > the help I'm trying to give to a user is not working because of case > inversion. > > As to editing, having become accustomed over the years to the convenience of > full-screen editors, and not initially knowing that it was possible to use a > full-screen editor to edit BPs, it was a nightmare for me to get the > simplest things done in UV. I think there are many other newbies out there > that feels the same... > > [snipped] > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Arnold: One can only hope the more "experienced" engineers of the U2 products are listening. One "work-around" after another make life more difficult not less. In the 21st century a solution would be helpful. Case sensitivity is a "blight" on the landscape of computing perpetuated by systems whose history was written by two-fingured typists and engineering challenged equipment. Someone mentioned recently the "caps" limitations of "Prism" terminals, as though typewriters haven't been around since the beginning of the 20th century and, certainly, noone had ever learned to use such "contraptions". :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arnold Bosch Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors [snipped] ...I find it annoying having to switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. As to editing, having become accustomed over the years to the convenience of full-screen editors, and not initially knowing that it was possible to use a full-screen editor to edit BPs, it was a nightmare for me to get the simplest things done in UV. I think there are many other newbies out there that feels the same... [snipped] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
If you don't want to change the LOGIN paragraph for everyone, create a VOC entry with your login name, universe will run it first, if you want it to still run the LOGIN after than then make that call in your login name... Example - Login name = YOURNAME >.L YOURNAME YOURNAME 001 PA 002 DISPLAY WE ARE RUNNING IN YOURNANE 003 PTERM -CASE INVERT 003 LOGIN When you log in with YOURNAME it will run the YOURNAME paragraph if it exists, if it does not exist it will run the LOGIN... Ron Sage Senior Systems Developer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Add a line to the bottom of your login paragraph: IF @LOGNAME = "YOURLOGNAME" THEN PTERM -CASE INVERT Arnold Bosch wrote: > Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately > updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other > users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. > So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Regards > > Arnold > -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Arnold Well spoken. I think you will find everyone on this list is in agreement. The difficulty is, that U2 is such a broad technology that giving a short answer to a question is often impossible without referring to other knowledge areas - and giving a long answer can be too much for someone to wade through. And for someone trying to get to grips with the technology, the biggest barrier is often knowing where to start. So... One of the priorities the U2U2 board has set itself this year is to build a 'Learner Pack' for new users: this will combine tutorials, examples, a standard demonstration database, some useful tools, references to places they can get help and beefing up the knowledge base. And of course, if anyone on-list wishes to contribute to this effort please contact me! The knowledge base is currently located at: http://www.mvopen.org/cms which is the temporary home (though is seems set in stone at the moment) of the new U2UG website. We would really welcome ALL contributions, they don't need to be expert contributions or Shakepearean commentaries! Regards, Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Add a line to the bottom of your login paragraph: IF @LOGNAME = "YOURLOGNAME" THEN PTERM -CASE INVERT Arnold Bosch wrote: Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Regards Arnold -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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You can also create a VOC paragraph or sentence with your login ID as the record ID and it will be executed instead of the LOGIN paragraph. - Original Message - From: "Arnold Bosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:56 AM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Regards Arnold -- Craig Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2007 11:54 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Hi Arnold, I haven't really been following this thread -- I gave up and learned to love THE BOMB years ago (despite coming to UV from a C background). With all the above (and more!) happening, I find it annoying having to switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. If you are running UV then issuing PTERM -CASE INVERT at TCL or in your LOGIN paragraph will apply case inversion just to the session you are logged into. It might make life simpler for you. Sorry if this was covered elsewhere in the thread. regards, Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
You could put an IF @LOGNAME = and fix it in the LOGIN Paragraph for yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arnold Bosch Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Regards Arnold -- Craig Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2007 11:54 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Hi Arnold, I haven't really been following this thread -- I gave up and learned to love THE BOMB years ago (despite coming to UV from a C background). > With all the above (and more!) happening, I find it annoying having to > switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to > another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a > couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm > trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. > > If you are running UV then issuing PTERM -CASE INVERT at TCL or in your LOGIN paragraph will apply case inversion just to the session you are logged into. It might make life simpler for you. Sorry if this was covered elsewhere in the thread. regards, Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Arnold, Brian Leach is the guy to talk to about the Knowledgebase, which would be an excellent place to host any/all how-tos. You can contact himn for details: Brian Leach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. The lack of visibility for the Knowledgebase is being addressed as part of the move to the new website for the U2UG. As to the rest of it, I think you put it beautifully. - Chuck Arnold Bosch wrote: I am prepared to dedicate some personal time to do write-ups (how-tos etc) for newcomers, from the perspective of a newcomer, which can then be vetted by more experienced UV users for correctness - this will be a bit intermittent as I have a lot on my plate though. Is anyone prepared to vet and host such write-ups? -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Such nobility of spirit! Arnold Bosch wrote: Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) But you could also sneak something like this into the login paragraph: IF @LOGNAME NE "arnold" GOTO END.OF.LOGIN PTERM -CASE INVERT END.OF.LOGIN: Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Arnold Bosch wrote: Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Actually it *is* an option. If you're running on UV, check out variable @LOGNAME and the GOTO statement. You can use the userid, (or other criteria), to branch within paragraphs. -- Allen Egerton aegerton at pobox dot com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Thanks Craig - I'm aware of PTERM -CASE INVERT. Unfortunately updating the LOGIN paragraph is not an option, as it impacts 75+ other users. The best I can do is to manually issue the command each time I get to TCL. So sometimes one has to suffer at the expense of others :-) Regards Arnold -- Craig Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2007 11:54 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors Hi Arnold, I haven't really been following this thread -- I gave up and learned to love THE BOMB years ago (despite coming to UV from a C background). > With all the above (and more!) happening, I find it annoying having to > switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to > another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a > couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm > trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. > > If you are running UV then issuing PTERM -CASE INVERT at TCL or in your LOGIN paragraph will apply case inversion just to the session you are logged into. It might make life simpler for you. Sorry if this was covered elsewhere in the thread. regards, Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
Hi Arnold, I haven't really been following this thread -- I gave up and learned to love THE BOMB years ago (despite coming to UV from a C background). With all the above (and more!) happening, I find it annoying having to switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. If you are running UV then issuing PTERM -CASE INVERT at TCL or in your LOGIN paragraph will apply case inversion just to the session you are logged into. It might make life simpler for you. Sorry if this was covered elsewhere in the thread. regards, Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
I have been following this thread (and some other threads resulting from fairly obvious newcomers to UV/UD) with interest. Being pretty much a newbie to UV myself I'd like to throw in a few comments: Many, if not most, of the regular posters in this list seem to have MANY years of experience in this environment, and are still coding according to habits acquired way back in time. I do not mean this disrespectfully - for those that are happy with using line editors and all upper case, that is the way you work. >From a newbie's point of view though - anybody learning UV/UD now most likely will come from a C or Visual Basic background, where (especially in the case of C) almost all coding is done in lower case. Personally I use Delphi a lot, which is also done mostly in lower case. I find it inconvenient to switch to the "convention" of doing coding in all uppercase, especially as I have made a habit of keeping a separate word processor window open to document programs and changes while I am doing the coding. In between, I also have to provide end-user support to 100+ users in MS Office, Lotus Notes etc., and being of a lazy (and efficient) nature, this is done using VNC. Then I also have my email open all the time, and is constantly checking and replying to messages. With all the above (and more!) happening, I find it annoying having to switch caps-lock all the time - what happens a lot is that I switch to another window and start typing away merrily, only to realise after a couple of words that everything is cASE iNVERTED, or that the help I'm trying to give to a user is not working because of case inversion. As to editing, having become accustomed over the years to the convenience of full-screen editors, and not initially knowing that it was possible to use a full-screen editor to edit BPs, it was a nightmare for me to get the simplest things done in UV. I think there are many other newbies out there that feels the same... Add together to this the naming of things ( a UV ACCOUNT is not a login account, but is similar to a MS SQL database etc.), and it was extremely challenging for me to get to grips with UV - the namings make self-help research difficult. Initially I actually hated UV for this, but I was forced to use it because our core financial system runs on it. After having come to grips with how UV works and interacts, I have come to like and very much respect it for what it can do, but I see many of my initial frustrations echoed in posts from other newcomers. This can possibly steer newcomers to the MV environment away from it - it takes a lot of time and effort to "make the switch". As Mr. Glorfield stated in his farewell message, this is most definitely a very helpful and courteous group, but on the odd occasion I have also seen replies posted to obvious newcomers that is given based on years of experience, but without regard to the fact that the newcomer does not actually have the necessary foundation to understand it. The U2UG web site proudly advertises the growing Knowledge Base, but how does one get to it? - for a newcomer, there is no direct link to click (unless I am not looking properly) - surely this will be one of the first ports of call for anybody looking for information. I am prepared to dedicate some personal time to do write-ups (how-tos etc) for newcomers, from the perspective of a newcomer, which can then be vetted by more experienced UV users for correctness - this will be a bit intermittent as I have a lot on my plate though. Is anyone prepared to vet and host such write-ups? For the newcomers out there who read this far - stick to it like a foxterrier to a tennis ball - it will pay of in the end and you will be surprised at the new world that opens up. For the UV longtimers - thanks for all the help and feedback to the group - it is much appreciated! Regards Arnold Bosch IT Administrator Taeuber & Corssen SWA (Pty) Ltd Windhoek Namibia Tel +264 (0)61 293 2106 Cell +264 (0)81 124 8625 Fax +264 (0)61 293 2104 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case and Editors
I recall using Prism 1 and Prism 2s terminals with no lower case characters. You had to use CHAR(107) or the like for smaller letters. In fact, their RUNOFF had a .LC or some lower case formatter for nice output. I just spent the day on a whole upper case system and it looks fine. I also read and wrote about a dozen emails as well in its proper case. Looks fine also. I guess it's what you're used to under the specific circumstances. - Original Message - From: "Ron Hutchings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: [U2] Upper Case and Editors >The comment regarding upper case coding for upper case text messaging raised >my dander. If you were typing a report and a word processor upper case >looks ridiculous. The same as displaying information on a user interface >screen, mixed case has a more professional appearance. Code that is well >formatted reads much clearer to me in upper case, with nice periods between >words. It also make using system search utilities easier. > >The comment about using ED was out of left field. Which editor is included >with every system and does not require any special setup to run? I feel my >productivity is not diminished a bit by using ED. I am slowed by trying to >analyze code that has random mixed case use in the commands. i.e. Locate >LoCate LocaTe loCate or Readu readu. Just because the compiler recognizes >it does not mean it is a good idea. > >I'll use my antiquated line editor until they tear my cold dead fingers from >the keyboard. > >Ron > _ > >Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate >new payment > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Upper Case and Editors
The comment regarding upper case coding for upper case text messaging raised my dander. If you were typing a report and a word processor upper case looks ridiculous. The same as displaying information on a user interface screen, mixed case has a more professional appearance. Code that is well formatted reads much clearer to me in upper case, with nice periods between words. It also make using system search utilities easier. The comment about using ED was out of left field. Which editor is included with every system and does not require any special setup to run? I feel my productivity is not diminished a bit by using ED. I am slowed by trying to analyze code that has random mixed case use in the commands. i.e. Locate LoCate LocaTe loCate or Readu readu. Just because the compiler recognizes it does not mean it is a good idea. I'll use my antiquated line editor until they tear my cold dead fingers from the keyboard. Ron _ Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate new payment --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
