Re: [orca-list] Update to Ubuntu 21.10: Accessibility (fwd)

[milton]

Hi,

I am worried if 21.10 shows what we can expect in 22.04.

I was happy to install 21.10 with the installer be accessible with Orca.

I think snap is not accessible because in 20.04 Chromium-browser is 
accessible with Orca by snap.


In 21.10 Favorites or Docks is partially accessible with the flat review 
of Orca. I could not left or right click with flat review, but Enter on 
an item with focus starts it.


Control+Alt+Tab takes me to 'All applications' not Super+a anymore. 
Items in the Dock or Favorites do not appear in 'All applications. So it 
is not possible to adjust Favorites by right clik and remove from Favorites.


I use Firefox after installing the .deb package with sudo apt install 
firefox


Milton

Op 15-10-2021 om 23:21 schreef Jude DaShiell:


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:35:23
From: Halim Sahin 
To: orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Update to Ubuntu 21.10: Accessibility

Hi Vladyslav,
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 08:13:02PM +0200, Vladyslav Kutsenko via orca-list 
wrote:


my first impressions after update to Ubuntu 21.10:


1. Super+A and Super+S bring up a dialogue which is not accessible: the key
navigation commands produce no speech.

2. Firefox which is a snap package now, is not accessible out of the box.


Kind regards

Hmm, I can confirm that at least on the live media firefox and chromium
are inaccessible.
My gues it's a snap problem here.

MfG.
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Re: [orca-list] Update to Ubuntu 21.10: Accessibility (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:35:23
From: Halim Sahin 
To: orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Update to Ubuntu 21.10: Accessibility

Hi Vladyslav,
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 08:13:02PM +0200, Vladyslav Kutsenko via orca-list 
wrote:
>
>
> my first impressions after update to Ubuntu 21.10:
>
>
> 1. Super+A and Super+S bring up a dialogue which is not accessible: the key
> navigation commands produce no speech.
>
> 2. Firefox which is a snap package now, is not accessible out of the box.
>
>
> Kind regards

Hmm, I can confirm that at least on the live media firefox and chromium
are inaccessible.
My gues it's a snap problem here.

MfG.
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RE: Orca?

[Dan Miner]

I do not have any experience with these distributions but if they truly have 
roots in Debian and remain mostly compatible then I believe it is simply a task 
of using apt (terminal) or something like Synaptic (GUI).  As I am most 
comfortable with a terminal, here is one of numerous ways to install orca with 
its dependencies.

Launch a terminal or find a virtual console and when you have a command prompt, 
type:

sudo apt install orca

If you get apt not found then use sudo apt-get instead install orca

It should list what will be downloaded and an estimate of size of storage 
needed and a question if you wish to continue, type y and press ENTER.

Hoping all things are ready for using a screen reader then it may be as simple 
as rebooting or turning orca on in the GUI.

Sadly, these details vary quite a bit across brands of GUI and distributions.  
Hope this helps, and if not quite right then look at the documentation for the 
system you will be using.

Dan

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Reece O'Bryan
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 3:07 PM
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Subject: Orca?

Hi,

I’m wanting to install orca on either/and Whonix and TAILS. These are 
Debian-based and as such only need to download orca and its few dependencies, 
correct? I need to have instructions as short as possible to have a sighted 
friend do the install. I think this is what I should do. 

Instead of separately downloading each file and they needed dependency, not 
that there are many, but would it be possible to add a repository containing 
orca (Ubuntu) and then just running, “apt install orca”. 

Thank you in advance,

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Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

[Rob Whyte]

I hit super key for Mate edition, started typing ubuiquity and instlal 
ubuntu came up, i was able to install easily.



Warm regards
RobWhyte
JAWS certified 2018
On 29/11/20 9:40 am, Al Puzzuoli wrote:


Not even sure how to do that in this case. Orca isn’t reading any 
options at all. When the install comes up, Orca is completely silent. 
If I alt tab  away and then back to the window, it says “Install as 
super user”. That’s the only feedback at all I ever get from the 
installer.


Thanks,

--Al

*From:* Glenn K0LNY 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:04 PM
*To:* Al Puzzuoli ; 
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
*Subject:* Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on 
Live CD?


I have found with previous installs, that if you do the quit option 
when Orca isn't working, and then cancel the quit before actually 
quitting the install, Orca starts working again.


HTH.

Glenn

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<mailto:ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com>


*Sent:*Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:01 PM

*Subject:*Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

Hello,

Just tried to install ubuntu-mate-20.10. It seems that the installer 
is running as super user while Orca is not. Unless I’m missing 
something, The initial installer screen is currently completely 
inaccessible. Is this a known issue? If not, what’s the best way to 
report it?


Thanks,

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RE: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

[Al Puzzuoli]

Not even sure how to do that in this case. Orca isn’t reading any options at 
all. When the install comes up, Orca is completely silent. If I alt tab  away 
and then back to the window, it says “Install as super user”. That’s the only 
feedback at all I ever get from the installer.

Thanks,

--Al

 

From: Glenn K0LNY  
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:04 PM
To: Al Puzzuoli ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

 

I have found with previous installs, that if you do the quit option when Orca 
isn't working, and then cancel the quit before actually quitting the install, 
Orca starts working again.

HTH.

 

Glenn

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From: Al Puzzuoli <mailto:alp...@gmail.com>  

To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com 
<mailto:ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com>  

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:01 PM

Subject: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

 

Hello,

Just tried to install ubuntu-mate-20.10. It seems that the installer is running 
as super user while Orca is not. Unless I’m missing something, The initial 
installer screen is currently completely inaccessible. Is this a known issue? 
If not, what’s the best way to report it?

Thanks,

--Al

 

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Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

[Glenn K0LNY]

I have found with previous installs, that if you do the quit option when Orca 
isn't working, and then cancel the quit before actually quitting the install, 
Orca starts working again.
HTH.

Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: Al Puzzuoli 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:01 PM
Subject: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?


Hello,

Just tried to install ubuntu-mate-20.10. It seems that the installer is running 
as super user while Orca is not. Unless I’m missing something, The initial 
installer screen is currently completely inaccessible. Is this a known issue? 
If not, what’s the best way to report it?

Thanks,

--Al

 






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Re: [orca-list] Warning, critical error with text sellection

[Peter Vágner]

Hello,


Arch linux, GTK 3.24.22, gedit 3.36.2, atk 2.36.0, at-spi2-core 2.36.0, 
at-spi2-atk 2.34.2, orca master c5866be92 and I can't reproduce it too.


Greetings

Peter



Dňa 16. 8. 2020 o 12:12 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):

I just tried this using Orca master + Gedit 3.36.2 and Pluma 1.24 in
Fedora 32 and am not seeing a crash.

--joanie

On Sun, 2020-08-16 at 11:50 +0200, Vojtěch šmiro via orca-list wrote:

Hello,

the problem is in Arch, Stormux and in Fedora, where my friend Pavel
tested.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Open Pluma or Gedit.
2. Write some text.
3. Select something by shift plus some arrow key. Pluma or Gedit
crashes
so fast it cannot write log why it crashed. The problem is in Nano
editor too. It isn't in Libreoffice, Seamonkey or Firefox.

Problem wasn't on Debian 10 or Ubuntu 18 yet, but I would like to
warn
developers before upgrading, because we don't know, what package
update
did this critical error. My friend Pavel wanted to report it with
log
file, but he can't do log file, because the app falls really
quickly,
such as killall pluma.

Thanks a lot.

Best regards

Vojta.
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Re: [orca-list] Warning, critical error with text sellection

[Joanmarie Diggs]

I just tried this using Orca master + Gedit 3.36.2 and Pluma 1.24 in
Fedora 32 and am not seeing a crash.

--joanie

On Sun, 2020-08-16 at 11:50 +0200, Vojtěch šmiro via orca-list wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the problem is in Arch, Stormux and in Fedora, where my friend Pavel 
> tested.
> 
> Steps to reproduce:
> 1. Open Pluma or Gedit.
> 2. Write some text.
> 3. Select something by shift plus some arrow key. Pluma or Gedit
> crashes 
> so fast it cannot write log why it crashed. The problem is in Nano 
> editor too. It isn't in Libreoffice, Seamonkey or Firefox.
> 
> Problem wasn't on Debian 10 or Ubuntu 18 yet, but I would like to
> warn 
> developers before upgrading, because we don't know, what package
> update 
> did this critical error. My friend Pavel wanted to report it with
> log 
> file, but he can't do log file, because the app falls really
> quickly, 
> such as killall pluma.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Best regards
> 
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Re: orca and wine

[Werwoelfchen]

Hi Daniel,
Wine has not got any accessibility interface yet. I would rather use a 
virtual machine for Windows tasks.

Greetings,
Wolfram

Daniel Crone schrieb:

I am running ubuntu 20.4 and had added wine with
sudo apt install wine winetricks
Then I went to get n v d a.
In terminal I used
wine /home/username/Downloads/nameoffile.exe
and heard n v d a music.
But then there was an error I don’t know what it means.
Has anyone else worked with wine?


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Re: Orca Brltty and Ubuntu 18.04

[Vojtěch Polášek]

Well, I made /etc/brlapi.key world readable. It is not the most secure
solution but it works.

Vojta

Dne 18. 10. 18 v 12:14 Anders Holmberg napsal(a):
> Hi!
> Try to put the brlapi.key in your home folder.
> See if that works.
> /A
>
>> 17 okt. 2018 kl. 20:25 skrev Vojtěch Polášek :
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> is there anything special I need to do for Orca to work with braille
>> displays in Ubuntu 18.04?
>>
>> To be more exact, I am using Accessible Coconut 18.04.4.
>>
>> Brltty works, for example braille in virtual text console works. But
>> Orca does not display anything in braille even if braille support is
>> enabled.
>>
>> My braille display shows only "screen not in text mode".
>>
>> I guess there is some trick with /etc/brlapi.cookie or something like
>> that, but I am not sure. Any tips?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Vojta
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Re: [orca-list] Podcast about installing Accessible Coconut

[Jude DaShiell]

slint and AutoTalkingArch I'm sure would both have an argument with that
information.
A defense could be that was your best information at the time of the camp
and podcast though.



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Re: Orca and mumble connect button

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

First, given the mumble status in accessibility and in general (qt4, qt5
etc), I srongly suggest you to run it via commandline instead of using
GUI to connect. I just use GUI for settings and audio wizard. In CLI in
a grapical terminal, to connect, I use: mumble
mumble://user:pass@server:port

Once connected, just use arrows to choose the room. A dialog may ask you
for certificate, but accessible so no problem.

If you still want to use the GUI and tab does not go to Connect button,
keep in mind that the flat review triggers the mouse pointer. So once
you are on the button via the fral review (see keypad bindings for flat
review or capslock-uio jkl and nm;), then, press left click (* on the
keypad).

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Le 21/05/2018 à 19:13, Daniel Crone a écrit :
> By default, is ubuntu 18.04 gnome or something else?
> I am just now using Ubuntu 18.04.
> I thought of trying mumble.
> After using control o and entering the channel information, I went to connect.
> Using the tab, I found the cancel button, and found connect using review mode 
> with the num pad 6.
> To connect, I have tried using num pad slash, num pad 5, and other commands.
> How may I move the cursor or mouse to connect and click that button?

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Re: orca not speaking at the login screan

[Bill Taylor]

Hi Daniel,
speakers/headset plugged into normal sound out port should work, however 
usb sound devices are not active until after login, on  Vinux, at least.

Bill

On 05/02/18 02:13, daniel wolak wrote:

         Good morning,

I'm just attempting to figure out what's going on with this. I'm using
ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, with orca as my screenreader of choice. The only
issue that I'm running into is the fact that at the login screen orca
isn't active. Anyone come accross this before and know a solution?

Many thanks,


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Re: orca not speaking at the login screan

[Jude DaShiell]

If you're using mate, just hit f4 once on the login screen and see if 
orca starts talking.


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, daniel wolak wrote:


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 21:13:08
From: daniel wolak 
To: "ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com"

Subject: orca not speaking at the login screan

??? ?? Good morning,

I'm just attempting to figure out what's going on with this. I'm using
ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, with orca as my screenreader of choice. The only
issue that I'm running into is the fact that at the login screen orca
isn't active. Anyone come accross this before and know a solution?

Many thanks,


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Re: orca not speaking at the login screan

[Milton]

Hi,
After I installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 with the help of Orca I got speech in 
the login screen.
Be sure you have sound in the login screen. If you heard the drums than 
it'  OK. On some hardware I noticed the sound was muted or too low.
Maybe you can try Alt_Super_S or activate the screen reader in the 
Ubuntu menu in the top right corner of the screen. If I remember right 
press Alt_F10 then richt arrow once and up arrow once, then press Enter.

Milton

Op 05-02-18 om 03:13 schreef daniel wolak:

         Good morning,

I'm just attempting to figure out what's going on with this. I'm using
ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, with orca as my screenreader of choice. The only
issue that I'm running into is the fact that at the login screen orca
isn't active. Anyone come accross this before and know a solution?

Many thanks,


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Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04

[Tom Masterson]

Yes accessibility stack is running before firefox is started.  I don't 
normally run thunderbird as I use alpine for email but thunderbird does 
work.  When I bring up firefox there is no speech and no braille.


Tom

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Peter Vágner wrote:



Hello,

Have you started orca before starting Firefox or is Firefox not accessible for 
you eventhough you are sure Orca and the rest of the accessibility stack is 
running
prior to starting Firefox?
Are you also running Thunderbird? Is Thunderbird working fine for you?
If you restart Firefox is it still lacking accessibility support?
Greetings

Peter


Dňa 27. 1. 2018 20:53 používateľ "Tom Masterson"  napísal:
  Thanks for the help.  Orca is now working everywhere but firefox.  Not 
sure what is happening with that.  Turns out something was not working in the 
sound
  system and a reboot fixed it.

  Tom


  On Fri, 26 Jan 2018, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,

Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio 
such as system bell play? Can you blindly try running
espeak hello
spd-say hello
or similar to discover if speech is working fine?
If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running?

Greetings

Peter


2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson :
      I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates.  Under 
either mate or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille
display in some
      circumstances but there is no speech.  It does not work with 
even my braille display under firefox.  The only oddity I see in syslog or
other places is
      the following line.

      Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: 
(process:7120): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size 
== 0'
failed

      Does anyone on these lists have suggestions?

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Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04

[Peter Vágner]

Hello,

Have you started orca before starting Firefox or is Firefox not accessible
for you eventhough you are sure Orca and the rest of the accessibility
stack is running prior to starting Firefox?
Are you also running Thunderbird? Is Thunderbird working fine for you?
If you restart Firefox is it still lacking accessibility support?
Greetings

Peter

Dňa 27. 1. 2018 20:53 používateľ "Tom Masterson"  napísal:

> Thanks for the help.  Orca is now working everywhere but firefox.  Not
> sure what is happening with that.  Turns out something was not working in
> the sound system and a reboot fixed it.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2018, Peter Vágner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>>
>> Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio such
>> as system bell play? Can you blindly try running
>> espeak hello
>> spd-say hello
>> or similar to discover if speech is working fine?
>> If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running?
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson :
>>   I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates.  Under
>> either mate or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille
>> display in some
>>   circumstances but there is no speech.  It does not work with even
>> my braille display under firefox.  The only oddity I see in syslog or other
>> places is
>>   the following line.
>>
>>   Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: (process:7120):
>> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
>>
>>   Does anyone on these lists have suggestions?
>>
>>   Tom
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Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04

[Tom Masterson]

Thanks for the help.  Orca is now working everywhere but firefox.  Not 
sure what is happening with that.  Turns out something was not working in 
the sound system and a reboot fixed it.


Tom


On Fri, 26 Jan 2018, Peter Vágner wrote:


Hello,

Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio such as 
system bell play? Can you blindly try running
espeak hello
spd-say hello
or similar to discover if speech is working fine?
If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running?

Greetings

Peter


2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson :
  I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates.  Under either mate 
or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille display in some
  circumstances but there is no speech.  It does not work with even my 
braille display under firefox.  The only oddity I see in syslog or other places 
is
  the following line.

  Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: (process:7120): 
GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed

  Does anyone on these lists have suggestions?

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Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04

[Peter Vágner]

Hello,

Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio such as
system bell play? Can you blindly try running
espeak hello
spd-say hello
or similar to discover if speech is working fine?
If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running?

Greetings

Peter


2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson :

> I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates.  Under either mate
> or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille display in some
> circumstances but there is no speech.  It does not work with even my
> braille display under firefox.  The only oddity I see in syslog or other
> places is the following line.
>
> Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: (process:7120):
> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
>
> Does anyone on these lists have suggestions?
>
> Tom
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Re: orca not working on ubuntu mate 16.04.2

[Rob Whyte]

Hi Don,

you start Orca with Alt Super S.

cheers


On 11/04/17 09:39, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just completed the installation of ubuntu-mate 16.04.2 onto my desktop 
> system. 
> After reboot orca will not start. I tried using the alt+windowsKey+s key 
> combination which should start orca, but no success.
>
> Also I never get the bongo drum sound indicating that I am at the desktop.
>
> I can switch to a console window and work with Braille, but would like the 
> desktop to be working as well.
>
> Any tips / suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Don
>
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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 07:37:47PM AEST, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ?
> I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to install
> Ubuntu Server.

I do not currently have any plans to integrate any form of text to 
speech/screen reading into Ubuntu server. To do so would likely introduce 
security concerns that I am pretty sure the server team would rather avoid. I 
could however, look into writing a tutorial as to how you could set up an 
Ubuntu based server using a live desktop image, and by that I don't mean to 
install the image. I am not sure when I would be able to get to writing such 
a tutorial however.

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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 25/08/2016 à 02:18, Luke Yelavich a écrit :
The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of 
any kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect to 
the virtual machine remotely to work on it. 

Dear Luke

What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ?
I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to 
install Ubuntu Server.


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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

It should be quite simple for you to use a desktop image and install
packages.

Ubuntu server is not accessible unless you have some assistance to get
set up.

If you can get some sighted assistance to install, log in and enable ssh
access then go ahead.

There are how ever other alternatives that you can access.

Good luck

Rob



On 25/08/16 19:38, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> Le 25/08/2016 à 02:18, Luke Yelavich a écrit :
>> The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of
>> any kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect
>> to the virtual machine remotely to work on it. 
> Dear Luke
>
> What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ?
> I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to
> install Ubuntu Server.
>
> Best regards.
>
> -- 
> Alex ARNAUD
> Visual-Impairment Project Manager
> Hypra - "Humanizing technology"
>
>
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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 25/08/2016 à 02:18, Luke Yelavich a écrit :
The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of 
any kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect to 
the virtual machine remotely to work on it. 

Dear Luke

What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ?
I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to 
install Ubuntu Server.


Best regards.

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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Christopher Chaltain]

The last I knew, Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu Desktop used the same kernel, 
so you could just install Ubuntu Desktop and then install the server 
applications you need.


On 24/08/16 19:18, Luke Yelavich wrote:

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:05:20AM AEST, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

I am trying to create a virtual machine using Ubuntu server  16.4 64bit. The
file I am using is called ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso. I can create the
virtual machine using the easy install procedure from within vmware player but
when I hit alt+windows+s to launch orca at the login screen or during the
install, nothing happens.


The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of any
kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect to the
virtual machine remotely to work on it.

Luke



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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:05:20AM AEST, Pranav Lal wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to create a virtual machine using Ubuntu server  16.4 64bit. The
> file I am using is called ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso. I can create the
> virtual machine using the easy install procedure from within vmware player but
> when I hit alt+windows+s to launch orca at the login screen or during the
> install, nothing happens.

The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of any 
kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect to the 
virtual machine remotely to work on it.

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Re: Orca does not speak

[Glenn / Lenny]

Now that you mention that,
I wonder if I could have gone to a terminal and did:
sudo apt-get update
and fixed the problem.
I could have done that much without speech.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


If you do try anymore ubuntu I suggest getting your system installed.
If your new system talks, only download missing packages you want and if
you suddenly loose speech and haven't rebooted remove what you just
installed.  On no account do any system-wide updates of that new system
until you read on this list that the no sound problem you have has been
solved and wait for at least one confirmation message from another user
who did the update and has orca working.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:57:19
> From: Glenn / Lenny 
> To: Jude DaShiell , 
> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> yeah, that would be pretty much impossible with no speech.
> If I don't get a solution, I don't know what is next.
> Maybe the 32 bit install will not do this?
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;
> 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
>
> I don't know how accessibility on ubuntu command line works or what tool
> To do what the arch downgrade script does, you would have to get a package
> manager to show your installed package version and a a numbered list of
> all other versions.  Then you'd select the version and select whether to
> ignore versions higher than what's installed in the future.  Many times a
> whole group of packages have to be downgraded together in order not to
> break dependencies and in what you'll read below it's a pretty big list
> with respect to pulseaudio.  How all of this is done with apt-get or
> aptitude I never did learn.
>
> From isfe...@gmail.com Thu Aug  4 21:04:12 2016
> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:04:05
> From: tim 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
> Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?
>
> I've fixed it! I had to downgrade libpulse, pulseaudio,
> pulseaudio-bluetooth, pulseaudio-zeroconf, pulseaudio-lirc, and
> pulseaudio-gconf from 9 to 8.3 or maybe it's 4, I then removed
> .config/pulseaudioctl and .config/pulse restarted and I have sound!
> thanks all this was really worrying me!
>
>
>
> On 08/04/2016 05:14 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Okay, my suggestion here would be first to downgrade libpulse then
>> downgrade lightdm unless lightdm also gets downgraded by downgrading
>> libpulse.  Hope this helps.  Oh, I forgot if you have
>> speech-dispatcher-git on your system try spd-say "hello, world!" and
>> see if you get any sound that way.
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, tim wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:56:58
>>> From: tim 
>>> To: Jude DaShiell 
>>> Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?
>>>
>>> Still stuck, downgraded lightdm and when attempting to downgrade
>>> pulseaudio, I run in to this warning: downgrading package pulseaudio
>>> (9.0-1 => 8.0-2)
>>> resolving dependencies...
>>> warning: cannot resolve "libpulse=8.0-2", a dependency of "pulseaudio"
>>> :: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
>>> dependencies:
>>>  pulseaudio
>>>
>>> :: Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
>>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>>> it's strange I can't get speech on anything, but when running mplayer
>>> a filename.mp3 I get sound! so am stuck, and speech dispatcher is at
>>> 0.8.4 i believe somewhere around there.  I hope I don't have to
>>> reinstall cause of this. I doubt it but it's puzzling.
>>>
>>> On 8/3/16, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>>>> First, alsamixer is being bogarted by pulseaudio.  Probably pamixer
>>>> will
>>>> give you better results.  Second, aplay is also bogarted by pulseaudio
>>>> so download and use alsaplayer and that should make alsaplayer if all
>>>> optional packages get installed capable of playing what aplay used to
>>>> play.  Third, I think I found why speech got broken both before and
>>>> after lightdm is run for mate or gnome.  My speech-dispatcher-git
>>>> package just recently got updated to 0.9.0xxx and I found a

Re: Orca does not speak

[Jude DaShiell]

If you do try anymore ubuntu I suggest getting your system installed. 
If your new system talks, only download missing packages you want and if 
you suddenly loose speech and haven't rebooted remove what you just 
installed.  On no account do any system-wide updates of that new system 
until you read on this list that the no sound problem you have has been 
solved and wait for at least one confirmation message from another user 
who did the update and has orca working.


On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:57:19
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: Jude DaShiell , ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak

yeah, that would be pretty much impossible with no speech.
If I don't get a solution, I don't know what is next.
Maybe the 32 bit install will not do this?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


I don't know how accessibility on ubuntu command line works or what tool
To do what the arch downgrade script does, you would have to get a package
manager to show your installed package version and a a numbered list of
all other versions.  Then you'd select the version and select whether to
ignore versions higher than what's installed in the future.  Many times a
whole group of packages have to be downgraded together in order not to
break dependencies and in what you'll read below it's a pretty big list
with respect to pulseaudio.  How all of this is done with apt-get or
aptitude I never did learn.

From isfe...@gmail.com Thu Aug  4 21:04:12 2016
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:04:05
From: tim 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?

I've fixed it! I had to downgrade libpulse, pulseaudio,
pulseaudio-bluetooth, pulseaudio-zeroconf, pulseaudio-lirc, and
pulseaudio-gconf from 9 to 8.3 or maybe it's 4, I then removed
.config/pulseaudioctl and .config/pulse restarted and I have sound!
thanks all this was really worrying me!



On 08/04/2016 05:14 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Okay, my suggestion here would be first to downgrade libpulse then
downgrade lightdm unless lightdm also gets downgraded by downgrading
libpulse.  Hope this helps.  Oh, I forgot if you have
speech-dispatcher-git on your system try spd-say "hello, world!" and
see if you get any sound that way.

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, tim wrote:


Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:56:58
From: tim 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?

Still stuck, downgraded lightdm and when attempting to downgrade
pulseaudio, I run in to this warning: downgrading package pulseaudio
(9.0-1 => 8.0-2)
resolving dependencies...
warning: cannot resolve "libpulse=8.0-2", a dependency of "pulseaudio"
:: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
dependencies:
 pulseaudio

:: Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
it's strange I can't get speech on anything, but when running mplayer
a filename.mp3 I get sound! so am stuck, and speech dispatcher is at
0.8.4 i believe somewhere around there.  I hope I don't have to
reinstall cause of this. I doubt it but it's puzzling.

On 8/3/16, Jude DaShiell  wrote:

First, alsamixer is being bogarted by pulseaudio.  Probably pamixer
will
give you better results.  Second, aplay is also bogarted by pulseaudio
so download and use alsaplayer and that should make alsaplayer if all
optional packages get installed capable of playing what aplay used to
play.  Third, I think I found why speech got broken both before and
after lightdm is run for mate or gnome.  My speech-dispatcher-git
package just recently got updated to 0.9.0xxx and I found a
speech-dispatcherd.service file available so I did systemctl enable
speech-dispatcherd.service and rebooted the system. Invariably every
time speech-dispatcherd.service was started it failed.  So no speech
before or after login.  Since /usr/local/share/sounds/purple/login.wav
is on my system, I now have alsaplayer playing that with alsaplayer -q
./login.wav since I moved that to my home directory and it's in my
.bashrc file since I wanted to hear if I got any successful login on
lightdm and haven't heard login.wav play since these last updates.  I
wish I had better news, but that's where things appear to be now.  Oh,
if speech can't get enabled on the talkingarch system and you want to
recover disk space a command like:
sudo -H pacman -Rcsn xorg
should clear the whole graphical user interface and all configurations
from your system.  It doesn't wipe configurations below your home
directory though.  The warning about this is, if you use vlc or mplayer
or emacs you'll need to reinstall those to get your s

Re: Orca does not speak

[Jude DaShiell]

the update command only updates your local version of the packages 
database, you would next have to have done apt-get upgrade and hope the 
upgrade didn't break anything. On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:48:03
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: Jude DaShiell , ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak

Now that you mention that,
I wonder if I could have gone to a terminal and did:
sudo apt-get update
and fixed the problem.
I could have done that much without speech.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


If you do try anymore ubuntu I suggest getting your system installed.
If your new system talks, only download missing packages you want and if
you suddenly loose speech and haven't rebooted remove what you just
installed.  On no account do any system-wide updates of that new system
until you read on this list that the no sound problem you have has been
solved and wait for at least one confirmation message from another user
who did the update and has orca working.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:57:19
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: Jude DaShiell ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak

yeah, that would be pretty much impossible with no speech.
If I don't get a solution, I don't know what is next.
Maybe the 32 bit install will not do this?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


I don't know how accessibility on ubuntu command line works or what tool
To do what the arch downgrade script does, you would have to get a package
manager to show your installed package version and a a numbered list of
all other versions.  Then you'd select the version and select whether to
ignore versions higher than what's installed in the future.  Many times a
whole group of packages have to be downgraded together in order not to
break dependencies and in what you'll read below it's a pretty big list
with respect to pulseaudio.  How all of this is done with apt-get or
aptitude I never did learn.

From isfe...@gmail.com Thu Aug  4 21:04:12 2016
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:04:05
From: tim 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?

I've fixed it! I had to downgrade libpulse, pulseaudio,
pulseaudio-bluetooth, pulseaudio-zeroconf, pulseaudio-lirc, and
pulseaudio-gconf from 9 to 8.3 or maybe it's 4, I then removed
.config/pulseaudioctl and .config/pulse restarted and I have sound!
thanks all this was really worrying me!



On 08/04/2016 05:14 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Okay, my suggestion here would be first to downgrade libpulse then
downgrade lightdm unless lightdm also gets downgraded by downgrading
libpulse.  Hope this helps.  Oh, I forgot if you have
speech-dispatcher-git on your system try spd-say "hello, world!" and
see if you get any sound that way.

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, tim wrote:


Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:56:58
From: tim 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?

Still stuck, downgraded lightdm and when attempting to downgrade
pulseaudio, I run in to this warning: downgrading package pulseaudio
(9.0-1 => 8.0-2)
resolving dependencies...
warning: cannot resolve "libpulse=8.0-2", a dependency of "pulseaudio"
:: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
dependencies:
 pulseaudio

:: Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
it's strange I can't get speech on anything, but when running mplayer
a filename.mp3 I get sound! so am stuck, and speech dispatcher is at
0.8.4 i believe somewhere around there.  I hope I don't have to
reinstall cause of this. I doubt it but it's puzzling.

On 8/3/16, Jude DaShiell  wrote:

First, alsamixer is being bogarted by pulseaudio.  Probably pamixer
will
give you better results.  Second, aplay is also bogarted by pulseaudio
so download and use alsaplayer and that should make alsaplayer if all
optional packages get installed capable of playing what aplay used to
play.  Third, I think I found why speech got broken both before and
after lightdm is run for mate or gnome.  My speech-dispatcher-git
package just recently got updated to 0.9.0xxx and I found a
speech-dispatcherd.service file available so I did systemctl enable
speech-dispatcherd.service and rebooted the system. Invariably every
time speech-dispatcherd.service was started it failed.  So no speech
before or after login.  Since /usr/local/share/sounds/purple/login.wav
is on my system, I now have alsaplayer playing that with alsaplayer -q

Re: Orca does not speak

[Jude DaShiell]

ALPM] upgraded qt5-serialport (5.6.1-1 -> 
5.7.0-1)

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Re: Orca does not speak

[Glenn / Lenny]

yeah, that would be pretty much impossible with no speech.
If I don't get a solution, I don't know what is next.
Maybe the 32 bit install will not do this?
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


I don't know how accessibility on ubuntu command line works or what tool
To do what the arch downgrade script does, you would have to get a package
manager to show your installed package version and a a numbered list of
all other versions.  Then you'd select the version and select whether to
ignore versions higher than what's installed in the future.  Many times a
whole group of packages have to be downgraded together in order not to
break dependencies and in what you'll read below it's a pretty big list
with respect to pulseaudio.  How all of this is done with apt-get or
aptitude I never did learn.

>From isfe...@gmail.com Thu Aug  4 21:04:12 2016
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:04:05
From: tim 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?

I've fixed it! I had to downgrade libpulse, pulseaudio,
pulseaudio-bluetooth, pulseaudio-zeroconf, pulseaudio-lirc, and
pulseaudio-gconf from 9 to 8.3 or maybe it's 4, I then removed
.config/pulseaudioctl and .config/pulse restarted and I have sound!
thanks all this was really worrying me!



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> Okay, my suggestion here would be first to downgrade libpulse then
> downgrade lightdm unless lightdm also gets downgraded by downgrading
> libpulse.  Hope this helps.  Oh, I forgot if you have
> speech-dispatcher-git on your system try spd-say "hello, world!" and
> see if you get any sound that way.
>
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, tim wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:56:58
>> From: tim 
>> To: Jude DaShiell 
>> Cc: supp...@sonargnulinux.com
>> Subject: Re: [Support] No sound after update?
>>
>> Still stuck, downgraded lightdm and when attempting to downgrade
>> pulseaudio, I run in to this warning: downgrading package pulseaudio
>> (9.0-1 => 8.0-2)
>> resolving dependencies...
>> warning: cannot resolve "libpulse=8.0-2", a dependency of "pulseaudio"
>> :: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
>> dependencies:
>>  pulseaudio
>>
>> :: Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>> it's strange I can't get speech on anything, but when running mplayer
>> a filename.mp3 I get sound! so am stuck, and speech dispatcher is at
>> 0.8.4 i believe somewhere around there.  I hope I don't have to
>> reinstall cause of this. I doubt it but it's puzzling.
>>
>> On 8/3/16, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>>> First, alsamixer is being bogarted by pulseaudio.  Probably pamixer
>>> will
>>> give you better results.  Second, aplay is also bogarted by pulseaudio
>>> so download and use alsaplayer and that should make alsaplayer if all
>>> optional packages get installed capable of playing what aplay used to
>>> play.  Third, I think I found why speech got broken both before and
>>> after lightdm is run for mate or gnome.  My speech-dispatcher-git
>>> package just recently got updated to 0.9.0xxx and I found a
>>> speech-dispatcherd.service file available so I did systemctl enable
>>> speech-dispatcherd.service and rebooted the system. Invariably every
>>> time speech-dispatcherd.service was started it failed.  So no speech
>>> before or after login.  Since /usr/local/share/sounds/purple/login.wav
>>> is on my system, I now have alsaplayer playing that with alsaplayer -q
>>> ./login.wav since I moved that to my home directory and it's in my
>>> .bashrc file since I wanted to hear if I got any successful login on
>>> lightdm and haven't heard login.wav play since these last updates.  I
>>> wish I had better news, but that's where things appear to be now.  Oh,
>>> if speech can't get enabled on the talkingarch system and you want to
>>> recover disk space a command like:
>>> sudo -H pacman -Rcsn xorg
>>> should clear the whole graphical user interface and all configurations
>>> from your system.  It doesn't wipe configurations below your home
>>> directory though.  The warning about this is, if you use vlc or mplayer
>>> or emacs you'll need to reinstall those to get your system back to
>>> normal unless maybe the ignore list can be used temporarily.
>>>
>>> 

Re: Orca does not speak

[Milton]

Hi,

In Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit I assist a sighted person with using Ubuntu. 
After I did Alt+F2 and typed 'orca' Orca starts but after 10 or 20 
seconds Orca quits. with the help of the sighted person I ceck the 
screen reader in System settings > Universal access and Orca was working 
well.

Maybe this can help?
Milton

Op 06-08-16 om 06:43 schreef Rob Whyte:

Why not rm -rf ~/.local/share/orca and try again before messing with Pulse.

Pulse is designed to just work and it sounds like it is doing just that.

You could rm -rf ~/.pulse as well if you wanted.

Are you starting speech in consoles before any of this takes place
subsequently?


Rob



On 06/08/16 12:41, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Jude,
Interesting...
How might I do this at a CLI with no speech?
If the commands are not too lengthy, I might succeed.
Glenn
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From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


Very probably a pulseaudio problem.  Another list I read had a person
downgrade pulseaudio and all associated utilities and that's how he got
orca working again.  That was on the sonargnulinux e-mail list too.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:33:51
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Orca does not speak

Hi,
I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 on an Intel NUC PPYH with 8GB of RAM.
I have run Ubuntu on this 15.1064 bit  already, so this should work.
I ran Orca on start up, and set up the voice like I usually do, but on
okaying it, Orca shuts down, it says:
screenreader off
So I log out, and get the bongo sound, and bring up Orca in the log in
window, and Orca stays on.
This is a live version on an SD card with a persistent file.
I have noticed, that when I log out, before the bongo sound, Orca says:
screenreader off
Then Orca comes on again for the log in window, and stays on.
When I log back in, there is no speech.
But that would indicate that Orca is working, but silent.
Is there a way I can make Orca louder?
If I do:
control + alt + T
and then type:
sudo speaker-test -c 2
I get the speaker test
and I end it with control + C
So I know that my system is not muted and the volume is okay when I log
in.
I wonder if there is a problem with eSpeak?
One difference I did between the speech settings in the log in window, and
when I was in the desktop, was that I selected U.S. English in the synth
list, instead of the standard English, which I left alone for the log-in
window.
Could this be a problem for eSpeak?
If I need to change that back, can someone send me the number of tabs to
get to the voice selection list?
Or is there a command to setting Orca to its defaults?

I sent this problem to the Orca list, but have heard nothing there.

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Re: Orca does not speak

[Rob Whyte]

Why not rm -rf ~/.local/share/orca and try again before messing with Pulse.

Pulse is designed to just work and it sounds like it is doing just that.

You could rm -rf ~/.pulse as well if you wanted.

Are you starting speech in consoles before any of this takes place
subsequently?


Rob



On 06/08/16 12:41, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Hi Jude,
> Interesting...
> How might I do this at a CLI with no speech?
> If the commands are not too lengthy, I might succeed.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 
> 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
>
> Very probably a pulseaudio problem.  Another list I read had a person
> downgrade pulseaudio and all associated utilities and that's how he got
> orca working again.  That was on the sonargnulinux e-mail list too.
>
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:33:51
>> From: Glenn / Lenny 
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Orca does not speak
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 on an Intel NUC PPYH with 8GB of RAM.
>> I have run Ubuntu on this 15.1064 bit  already, so this should work.
>> I ran Orca on start up, and set up the voice like I usually do, but on 
>> okaying it, Orca shuts down, it says:
>> screenreader off
>> So I log out, and get the bongo sound, and bring up Orca in the log in 
>> window, and Orca stays on.
>> This is a live version on an SD card with a persistent file.
>> I have noticed, that when I log out, before the bongo sound, Orca says:
>> screenreader off
>> Then Orca comes on again for the log in window, and stays on.
>> When I log back in, there is no speech.
>> But that would indicate that Orca is working, but silent.
>> Is there a way I can make Orca louder?
>> If I do:
>> control + alt + T
>> and then type:
>> sudo speaker-test -c 2
>> I get the speaker test
>> and I end it with control + C
>> So I know that my system is not muted and the volume is okay when I log 
>> in.
>> I wonder if there is a problem with eSpeak?
>> One difference I did between the speech settings in the log in window, and 
>> when I was in the desktop, was that I selected U.S. English in the synth 
>> list, instead of the standard English, which I left alone for the log-in 
>> window.
>> Could this be a problem for eSpeak?
>> If I need to change that back, can someone send me the number of tabs to 
>> get to the voice selection list?
>> Or is there a command to setting Orca to its defaults?
>>
>> I sent this problem to the Orca list, but have heard nothing there.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>


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Re: Orca does not speak

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi Jude,
Interesting...
How might I do this at a CLI with no speech?
If the commands are not too lengthy, I might succeed.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak


Very probably a pulseaudio problem.  Another list I read had a person
downgrade pulseaudio and all associated utilities and that's how he got
orca working again.  That was on the sonargnulinux e-mail list too.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:33:51
> From: Glenn / Lenny 
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Orca does not speak
>
> Hi,
> I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 on an Intel NUC PPYH with 8GB of RAM.
> I have run Ubuntu on this 15.1064 bit  already, so this should work.
> I ran Orca on start up, and set up the voice like I usually do, but on 
> okaying it, Orca shuts down, it says:
> screenreader off
> So I log out, and get the bongo sound, and bring up Orca in the log in 
> window, and Orca stays on.
> This is a live version on an SD card with a persistent file.
> I have noticed, that when I log out, before the bongo sound, Orca says:
> screenreader off
> Then Orca comes on again for the log in window, and stays on.
> When I log back in, there is no speech.
> But that would indicate that Orca is working, but silent.
> Is there a way I can make Orca louder?
> If I do:
> control + alt + T
> and then type:
> sudo speaker-test -c 2
> I get the speaker test
> and I end it with control + C
> So I know that my system is not muted and the volume is okay when I log 
> in.
> I wonder if there is a problem with eSpeak?
> One difference I did between the speech settings in the log in window, and 
> when I was in the desktop, was that I selected U.S. English in the synth 
> list, instead of the standard English, which I left alone for the log-in 
> window.
> Could this be a problem for eSpeak?
> If I need to change that back, can someone send me the number of tabs to 
> get to the voice selection list?
> Or is there a command to setting Orca to its defaults?
>
> I sent this problem to the Orca list, but have heard nothing there.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>

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Re: Orca does not speak

[Jude DaShiell]

Very probably a pulseaudio problem.  Another list I read had a person 
downgrade pulseaudio and all associated utilities and that's how he got 
orca working again.  That was on the sonargnulinux e-mail list too.


On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:33:51
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Orca does not speak

Hi,
I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 on an Intel NUC PPYH with 8GB of RAM.
I have run Ubuntu on this 15.1064 bit  already, so this should work.
I ran Orca on start up, and set up the voice like I usually do, but on okaying 
it, Orca shuts down, it says:
screenreader off
So I log out, and get the bongo sound, and bring up Orca in the log in window, 
and Orca stays on.
This is a live version on an SD card with a persistent file.
I have noticed, that when I log out, before the bongo sound, Orca says:
screenreader off
Then Orca comes on again for the log in window, and stays on.
When I log back in, there is no speech.
But that would indicate that Orca is working, but silent.
Is there a way I can make Orca louder?
If I do:
control + alt + T
and then type:
sudo speaker-test -c 2
I get the speaker test
and I end it with control + C
So I know that my system is not muted and the volume is okay when I log in.
I wonder if there is a problem with eSpeak?
One difference I did between the speech settings in the log in window, and when 
I was in the desktop, was that I selected U.S. English in the synth list, 
instead of the standard English, which I left alone for the log-in window.
Could this be a problem for eSpeak?
If I need to change that back, can someone send me the number of tabs to get to 
the voice selection list?
Or is there a command to setting Orca to its defaults?

I sent this problem to the Orca list, but have heard nothing there.

Thanks for any help.



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Re: orca won't start on 16.04

[Luke Yelavich]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 03:51:10AM AEST, chad baker wrote:
> Hi just burned 16.04 to disk and orca won’t start when doing control s
> Did things change?

Urm, yes. Upstream GNOME adopted a different keystroke a while ago, so we
followed suit. You now use super + alt + S to start Orca.

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Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.

[Luke Yelavich]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 09:56:08PM AEST, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hi Luke,
> 
> Thank you your answer.
> If I would like doing a custom live CD with containing custom a11y settings,
> not matter if both enabled the RUN_BRLTTY=yes and BRLTTY systemd service?

You're probably better to leave the service enabled, and tweak the default file.

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Re: orca won't start on 16.04

[Milton]

Press Alt+super+S
I just installed 16.04 successfully with the help of Orca.
Milton

Op 22-04-16 om 19:51 schreef chad baker:

Hi just burned 16.04 to disk and orca won’t start when doing control s
Did things change?
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Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.

[Hammer Attila]

Hi,

I wrong wrote the source of brltty systemd service, right source path is 
/lib/systemd/system/brltty.service.


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Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.

[Hammer Attila]

Hi Luke,

Thank you your answer.
If I would like doing a custom live CD with containing custom a11y 
settings, not matter if both enabled the RUN_BRLTTY=yes and BRLTTY 
systemd service? What the better preference way? The Systemd service 
enabling or the RUN_BRLTTY=yes preference in live CD environment?
During live CD boot enough to create in chroot environment a symbolic 
link the /usr/lib/systemd/system/brltty.service file to the 
/etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants directory? I would like default 
enabling this service if this is possible.


My purpose is following:
if the Braille display is attached with USB and I understanding right 
your answer, not need enabling the RUN_BRLTTY=yes preference or the 
Systemd BRLTTY service, because udev detecting the USB braille displays.
But, if the user attaching a serial port or a Bluetooth braille display 
or attaching a serial port braille display with an USB serial dongle and 
the display is configured the user with brltty.conf file, BRLTTY not 
starting automatically if not enabled the RUN_BRLTTY=yes preference or 
the systemd service.

Right my understanding?

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Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.

[Luke Yelavich]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 04:48:27PM AEST, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hi Luke,
> 
> In xenial need enabling the /etc/default/brltty file the RUN_BRLTTY=yes
> configuration key after the updated package awailable in Xenial repository?
> When need using this setting preference?

If you have a USB Braille display, Brltty should start when the display is
connected, either at boot, or when you connect the display after the system
has booted. The RUN_BRLTTy option is for those who may have a particular
BrlTTy configuration and are using a display connected via other means,
i.e bluetooth or serial port etc. Right now, its easy to enable the systemd
service and use the /etc/default/brltty file, but for future releases, that
may change to simply using the systemd service, and disabling it by default.

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Re: [orca-list] Heads up, Braille in 16.04.

[Hammer Attila]

Hi Luke,

In xenial need enabling the /etc/default/brltty file the RUN_BRLTTY=yes 
configuration key after the updated package awailable in Xenial repository?

When need using this setting preference?

What the difference the RUN_BRLTTY=yes configuration setting the 
/etc/default/brltty file and enabled in Systemd the brltty service the 
systemctl enable brltty command result?


I tested your package my Qemu virtual machine my USB Alva Satellite 
braille display.
My system the RUN_BRLTTY=no configuration setting is used, but possible 
because UDEV detecting my USB braille display, BRLTTY right start 
automatically.


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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 03/24/2016 11:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:

I do not know exactly what you are trying to say, but it appears you are mis 
informed.
I use almost time Orca master with Debian Sid that it has took long time 
to jump from Firefox 38 to newest version so I've noticed some 
incompatibilities between Firefox 38 and Orca master.  So if Orca is 
3.18.x and Firefox version is one year in advance maybe it can cause 
some troubles for the final user.


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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[B. Henry]

I do not know exactly what you are trying to say, but it appears you are mis 
informed. 
Orca works with most version s of firefox very well. 
There was a time, between firefox25 and 29 or 30 where things wer pretty sad, 
and one or two release/builds have com eout over the years with an 
accessiblity issue, but orca should have nothing to do with your security.
Ordca has dramatically improved its working with firefox in recent releases, 
and this is not going to change for the worse. 



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  Alex ARNAUD wrote:
Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:31:36AM +0100

> On 03/23/2016 12:07 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> >Orca 3.18.2 will be in Ubuntu 16.04. I will make Orca 3.20 available in the 
> >accessibility PPA when I get a chance. Unfortunately newer versions of Orca 
> >do not work properly with the Unity dash, so I need to work out a fix for 
> >that.
> What's about test compatibility between Firefox and Orca ? As I know Ubuntu
> updates Firefox version each time for security but Orca is only compatible
> with the current version of Firefox.
> 
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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 03/23/2016 12:07 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote:

Orca 3.18.2 will be in Ubuntu 16.04. I will make Orca 3.20 available in the 
accessibility PPA when I get a chance. Unfortunately newer versions of Orca do 
not work properly with the Unity dash, so I need to work out a fix for that.
What's about test compatibility between Firefox and Orca ? As I know 
Ubuntu updates Firefox version each time for security but Orca is only 
compatible with the current version of Firefox.


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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[B. Henry]

Sounds interesting/looking forward to checking it out.

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  Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:06:15AM AEDT, B. Henry wrote:
> > Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to recent Ubuntu 
> > releases? have things changed much on the accessiblity front since 14.04?
> 
> Beyond what new stuff Orca brings to the table, not a lot. The accessibility
> profile system has been revamped however, the most noticeable change being
> a new indicator in the menu bar when you have an accessibility profile
> enabled. Once this is in a daily image, I will mail the list with more
> details. Most of the pieces for it have landed, but the package was only
> moved to main the last 12 or so hours, and there are still a few bugs
> surrounding its use in the installer, which I am currently working on,
> although they won't be in the beta due this Thursday.
> 
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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[Luke Yelavich]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:06:15AM AEDT, B. Henry wrote:
> Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to recent Ubuntu 
> releases? have things changed much on the accessiblity front since 14.04?

Beyond what new stuff Orca brings to the table, not a lot. The accessibility
profile system has been revamped however, the most noticeable change being
a new indicator in the menu bar when you have an accessibility profile
enabled. Once this is in a daily image, I will mail the list with more
details. Most of the pieces for it have landed, but the package was only
moved to main the last 12 or so hours, and there are still a few bugs
surrounding its use in the installer, which I am currently working on,
although they won't be in the beta due this Thursday.

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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[B. Henry]

Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to recent Ubuntu 
releases? have things changed much on the accessiblity front since 14.04?
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  Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 04:34:14AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Orca 3.20.0 is here. Is here a chance to be released in Ubuntu 16.04,
> > or 3.18.2 will be included in 16.04? I don't know Ubuntu release plan.
> > Can I read it somewhere?
> 
> Orca 3.18.2 will be in Ubuntu 16.04. I will make Orca 3.20 available in the 
> accessibility PPA when I get a chance. Unfortunately newer versions of Orca 
> do not work properly with the Unity dash, so I need to work out a fix for 
> that.
> 
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Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

[Luke Yelavich]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 04:34:14AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote:
> Hi,
> Orca 3.20.0 is here. Is here a chance to be released in Ubuntu 16.04,
> or 3.18.2 will be included in 16.04? I don't know Ubuntu release plan.
> Can I read it somewhere?

Orca 3.18.2 will be in Ubuntu 16.04. I will make Orca 3.20 available in the 
accessibility PPA when I get a chance. Unfortunately newer versions of Orca do 
not work properly with the Unity dash, so I need to work out a fix for that.

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Re: orca and firefox

[Lucas Radaelli]

+1

This is awesome, thank you.

On 19/08/2015 19:52, Luke Yelavich wrote:

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:14:10AM AEST, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.

I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm
to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox
version?

You can install Orca 3.16.2 for 14.04 from the Ubuntu Accessibility Dev PPA, 
ppa:ubuntu-accessibility-dev/ppa. To add it and update, do the following:

* In a terminal, run sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa
* sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

And you should then get latest stable Orca. This will likely be updated once 
Orca 3.18 comes out.

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Re: orca and firefox

[Lucas Radaelli]

Is this on voxin side or speech dispatcher communication with voxin?

I use emacspeak with voxin and got no errors... I suspect that this is 
coming from speech dispatcher.


Any idea if this bug is tracked somewhere?

On 19/08/2015 19:04, Rob Whyte wrote:

Hi,
yes you will find the crashes are due to Voxin.
sudo killall -9 speech-dispatcher will get you along your way quickly.

Thanks
Rob


On 20/08/15 06:07, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi.
Version 0.8.3 is the current version.

I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not
confirm.
Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test?

On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are
using?

Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and
just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything.

I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same
problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher.
On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi Lucas.
In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to
build in ubuntu 14.04.

A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with
instructions on how to build orca from git.

On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is
awesome.

I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you
confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running
and which firefox version?

I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the
experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.







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Re: orca and firefox

[B. Henry]

Yeah, thanks for this important resource Luke.

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  Luke Yelavich wrote:
Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 08:54:35AM +1000

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote:
> > Wow,
> > Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel?
> 
> I do.
> 
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Re: orca and firefox

[kendell clark]

hi
Any orca version after ... I believe 3.12 is the version that got the 
gigantic firefox improvements, should work fine. I'd of course recommend 
you run 3.16.3 which I believe is the latest, but I'm not sure how easy 
this is to do in ubuntu. There's an accessibility PPA luke, rob and 
others maintain that has the latest accessibility packages, at-spi, 
orca, etc but I'm not sure of the command to install it.

Thanks
Kendell clark


On 08/19/2015 12:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the 
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.


I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you 
confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and 
which firefox version?


I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the 
experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.






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Re: orca and firefox

[Dave Hunt]

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I'm using orca 3.16 in Trisquel, a derivative of Ubuntu 14.04, though
I did not build it; rather, I added the Accessibility Devel ppa to my
system, and the latest access stack (including orca) got installed on
system upgrade.  Having done this, I may be able to build from git.

to add repository:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel

then:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

HTH,

Dave



On 08/19/2015 03:06 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is
> possible to build in ubuntu 14.04.
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Re: orca and firefox

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote:
> Wow,
> Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel?

I do.

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Re: orca and firefox

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:14:10AM AEST, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
> experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.
> 
> I am running 14.04.
> 
> Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm
> to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox
> version?

You can install Orca 3.16.2 for 14.04 from the Ubuntu Accessibility Dev PPA, 
ppa:ubuntu-accessibility-dev/ppa. To add it and update, do the following:

* In a terminal, run sudo apt-add-repository ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa
* sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

And you should then get latest stable Orca. This will likely be updated once 
Orca 3.18 comes out.

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Re: orca and firefox

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
yes you will find the crashes are due to Voxin.
sudo killall -9 speech-dispatcher will get you along your way quickly.

Thanks
Rob


On 20/08/15 06:07, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Version 0.8.3 is the current version.
>
> I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not
> confirm.
> Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test?
>
> On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
>>
>> Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are
>> using?
>>
>> Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and
>> just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything.
>>
>> I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same
>> problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher.
>> On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> Hi Lucas.
>>> In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to
>>> build in ubuntu 14.04.
>>>
>>> A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with
>>> instructions on how to build orca from git.
>>>
>>> On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
 Folks,

 Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
 experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is
 awesome.

 I am running 14.04.

 Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you
 confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running
 and which firefox version?

 I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the
 experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.


>>>
>>
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Re: orca and firefox

[kk]

Wow,
Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Thursday 20 August 2015 12:56 AM, Dave Hunt wrote:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel



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Re: orca and firefox

[kk]

Mine is 3.17.3 pre
Meaning I have a much later version, built from git source.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Thursday 20 August 2015 12:39 AM, B. Henry wrote:


yes, it will certainly build

You might need to get some at-spi packages from an extra repo, let me check on 
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Re: orca and firefox

[José Vilmar Estácio de Souza]

Hi.
Version 0.8.3 is the current version.

I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not confirm.
Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test?

On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:


Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are 
using?


Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and 
just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything.


I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same 
problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher.

On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi Lucas.
In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to 
build in ubuntu 14.04.


A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with 
instructions on how to build orca from git.


On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the 
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.


I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you 
confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and 
which firefox version?


I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the 
experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.









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Re: orca and firefox

[Lucas Radaelli]

Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are using?

Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and just 
returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything.


I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same 
problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher.

On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi Lucas.
In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to 
build in ubuntu 14.04.


A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with 
instructions on how to build orca from git.


On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the 
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.


I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you 
confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and 
which firefox version?


I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the 
experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.








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Re: orca and firefox

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Hello Trusty and Orca Users!

I'm using orca 3.16 in Trisquel, a derivative of Ubuntu 14.04, though
I did not build it; rather, I added the Accessibility Devel ppa to my
system, and the latest access stack (including orca) got installed on
system upgrade.  Having done this, I may be able to build from git.

to add repository:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:accessibility-devel

then:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

HTH,

Dave



On 08/19/2015 03:06 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi Lucas. In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is 
> possible to build in ubuntu 14.04.
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Re: orca and firefox

[B. Henry]

yes, it will certainly build 

You might need to get some at-spi packages from an extra repo, let me check on 
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  José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 04:06:31PM -0300

> Hi Lucas.
> In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to build in
> ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with
> instructions on how to build orca from git.
> 
> On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
> >Folks,
> >
> >Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
> >experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.
> >
> >I am running 14.04.
> >
> >Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm
> >to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox
> >version?
> >
> >I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience
> >is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.
> >
> >
> 
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Re: orca and firefox

[José Vilmar Estácio de Souza]

Hi Lucas.
In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to 
build in ubuntu 14.04.


A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with 
instructions on how to build orca from git.


On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:

Folks,

Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the 
experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.


I am running 14.04.

Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you 
confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running and 
which firefox version?


I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the 
experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.





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Re: orca and firefox

[B. Henry]

16.2 or 16.3 I think it is, but you can build the latest development version if 
you want to test even newer stuff. 
There are instructions on the orca website
isit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Once in a while something important does not work well for a few hours or even 
a day or two, but I've never had to downgrade to an older build for the 
things I do using orca from git master in well over a year. 
That being said, as far as your firefox experience at the moment if you have 
orca 16 you should be doing fine, and I certainly agree that there is  a 
huge difference in orca with firefox comparing current versions with those from 
a year and a half ago. 
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  Lucas Radaelli wrote:
Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 02:14:10PM -0300

> Folks,
> 
> Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
> experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is awesome.
> 
> I am running 14.04.
> 
> Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you confirm
> to me which is the orca version that I should be running and which firefox
> version?
> 
> I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the experience is
> very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.
> 
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RE: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Alex Midence]

Thanks to all who took part in the survey while it was open.  Yes, all you have 
to do to tell them you use Orca is mark Other where necessary and tell them you 
use it in the comments section.  I only wish I'd gotten the word out sooner.  
For the record, I for one do not think the exclusion of Orca was necessarily 
deliberate and has absolutely nothing to do with the financial interests of any 
screen reader vendors or producers of proprietary operating systems.  
Otherwise, none of the Android free screen readers would've been mentioned.  I 
think it has more to do with a lack of awareness.  They simply have no idea how 
many of us there are out there whose use Orca on a Linux machine.  I wanted to 
give some of us a chance to be heard from.  I certainly did not intend to 
pander to the conspiracy theorists out there who seem to find some sinister 
intent in all of this.  I frankly find such thinking quite ridiculous and 
regret giving anyone who harbors such opinions fodder for such things.  The 
Floss a11y community stands to gain far more by polite interaction with such 
organizations working under the assumption of good intent without sufficient 
data than we would if we approach them like indignant crusaders going after 
callous big business.   I am convinced that such an approach would be a massive 
turnoff and actually close doors for us rather than open them.

Best regards,
Alex M

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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:48 AM
To: Magdalen Berns; orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader 
users

It is counter productive to not participate.
If you have not ever done this survey perhaps you are unaware that in all cases 
I remember there is an other option where you can write in orca. Perhaps my 
memory is not 100% correct, and there are questions where this is not ture, but 
again, I don't remember not being able to write in Orca, and speakup. 
I mention both as I use both, and i check NVDA or listed alternatives where 
appropriate. I  think there are questions where you are asked to put 
screenreaders in ordr of which you use most, but may be confusing this with 
other surveys. I'm really sory I didi not do this year's survey now that this 
has become such a topic of interest here as having more people mentioning Orca 
and friendswould likely have more impact.
I don't remember if write ins such as Orca are mentioned by name in the 
published results or not, or if "other" is just shown as such lumpiing all 
write-ins together. 
I seem to recall that there is an overview or results as well as a detailed 
results presentation. They also showed trends comparing where they compared 
current results to past years with some analysis. 

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  Magdalen Berns wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0100

>  I doubt very much the authors of this survey are part of some world wide
>  conspiracy against Orca or open source software.
> 
>Me too but with that said there are some situations where
>industry/institutions have reason to endorse one product over another. DSA
>assessment centres in the UK are a bit "unmotivated" by free software
>alternatives, for example. It happens...
>In any case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca do not
>always come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning about
>it so I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an organisation
>like WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with filling out
>their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the findings by
>publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good in that
>idea.
>Anyway, I just wanted to say that it's great to see people invested in
>getting the word out there in any shape or form, really. I hope people
>continue to bring great ideas like this up! The more people helping to
>promote GNOME as a credible accessible alternative to proprietary
>offerings, the better!
>Thanks,
>Magdalen
> 
> 
>  I think it's much more likely that it was just over looked or that
>  Linux/Orca just isn't used by enough people, at least with some actual
>  statistics, to merit inclusion in this list. ChromeVox is new, and is
>  the screen reder for ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not surprised it's
>  on the list, at least for now. I'd suggest doing what I did and
>  including Orca on the survey yourself as an other or in the write in
>  comments.
> 
>  On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> 
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RE: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Alex Midence]

It's a combo box.  You have to do an alt down arrow to let you arrow down.  I 
did it during a break here at work and used my Windows machine so can't speak 
to the Orca experience on the site.  (Guess I totally cheated there without 
meaning to.)  I am flabbergasted to think that Webaim, of all places, might 
have a form with accessibility issues which they are using to ask people how 
accessible the web is.  Try it again and hit alt down arrow for the region 
combo box and turn browse mode on so you can find the radio buttons in the 
primary screen reader question.  The last one on the list is the "other" 
option.  

Alex M



-Original Message-
From: Al Sten-Clanton [mailto:albert.e.sten_clan...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:26 PM
To: a...@w6sfm.com; Alex Midence
Cc: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 
orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-developm...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader 
users

I couldn't even take the survey.  On the very first question, it would not 
allow me to select my region, North America, but insisted on Africa. 
  I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out how to 
get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place to write in 
Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?

Al

On 7/24/2015 2:14 PM, Chris Watson wrote:
>
> Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.
>


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Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Chris Watson]

Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:39:19AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> My point precisely.  I did the very same thing!  Unless we make it our 
> business to ensure these people know we are here and want to be included, 
> they will keep leaving us out of the equation when they do 
> their web accessibility initiatives.  I kept having to mark OTHER when  I 
> wanted to reference Orca.
> 
> Alex M
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Fernando Botelho [mailto:fhfbote...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Fernando 
> Botelho
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:27 AM
> To: Alex Midence
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen 
> reader users
> 
> They continue to exclude Orca from their screen reader list, or at least that 
> was the case when I did this survey a couple of weeks ago.  My suggestion is 
> that everyone mention Orca in the comments, and request that it be included. 
> That is what I did.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> 
> On 07/24/2015 11:17 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks,
> >
> > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is 
> > more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the 
> > cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how 
> > accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is 
> > that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last 
> > time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t 
> > think anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it. Chromevox was 
> > there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> > Here’s the link.  I hope you participate so that we actually appear on 
> > their radar:
> >
> > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> > Ps  Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > orca-l...@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at 
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
> > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
> 
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> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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RE: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Alex Midence]

My point precisely.  I did the very same thing!  Unless we make it our business 
to ensure these people know we are here and want to be included, they will keep 
leaving us out of the equation when they do 
their web accessibility initiatives.  I kept having to mark OTHER when  I 
wanted to reference Orca.

Alex M


-Original Message-
From: Fernando Botelho [mailto:fhfbote...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Fernando 
Botelho
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Alex Midence
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader 
users

They continue to exclude Orca from their screen reader list, or at least that 
was the case when I did this survey a couple of weeks ago.  My suggestion is 
that everyone mention Orca in the comments, and request that it be included. 
That is what I did.

Fernando


On 07/24/2015 11:17 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is 
> more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the 
> cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how 
> accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is 
> that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last 
> time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t 
> think anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it. Chromevox was 
> there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> Here’s the link.  I hope you participate so that we actually appear on 
> their radar:
>
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alex M
>
> Ps  Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
>
>
>
> ___
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> orca-l...@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Al Sten-Clanton]

I couldn't even take the survey.  On the very first question, it would 
not allow me to select my region, North America, but insisted on Africa. 
 I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out 
how to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place 
to write in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?


Al

On 7/24/2015 2:14 PM, Chris Watson wrote:


Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.



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Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Chris Watson]

Don't need Java script. I was even able to fill out the form using lynx. Where 
it says "No Response", just hit  and the choices pop up. The choice of 
Orca in the comments area.
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 03:42:54PM -0400, Dave Hunt wrote:
> I got the North America and Other items selected. Since I could not get
> find a place to write in Orca, I typed it into the comments.  Also
> mentioned issues with the survey itself.  I assume that my trouble
> writing in Orca was due to my having most JavaScript  blocked. /this is
> another issue for another list(s).
> 
> 
>  On 07/24/2015 03:35 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >   I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out how 
> > to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place to write 
> > in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?
> 

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Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users

[Dave Hunt]

I got the North America and Other items selected. Since I could not get
find a place to write in Orca, I typed it into the comments.  Also
mentioned issues with the survey itself.  I assume that my trouble
writing in Orca was due to my having most JavaScript  blocked. /this is
another issue for another list(s).


 On 07/24/2015 03:35 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>   I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out how to 
> get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place to write in 
> Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?


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Re: Orca on ubuntu 14.04

[Milton]

Hi Luke,
It is great to have the latest stable Orca in Trusty! Many, many thanks 
for your hard work!!

Milton

Op 21-10-14 om 19:37 schreef Luke Yelavich:

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:10:38PM EDT, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

Hello,


I experience known bugs in Ubuntu 14.04 with Orca and Libreoffice. Does a
3.14 orca exist as ubuntu package? How can I have it? PPA? Is there an
update?


I have just uploaded Orca 3.14, as well as the latest accessibility stack 
updates, i.e at-spi2-core, at-spi2-atk, and pyatspi into the Ubuntu 
Accessibility dev PpA found at 
https://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. These updates are 
available for trusty and utopic.

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Re: Orca on ubuntu 14.04

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Great! Thanks Luke for your work!

Regards,

Le 21/10/2014 19:37, Luke Yelavich a écrit :

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:10:38PM EDT, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

Hello,


I experience known bugs in Ubuntu 14.04 with Orca and Libreoffice. Does a
3.14 orca exist as ubuntu package? How can I have it? PPA? Is there an
update?

I have just uploaded Orca 3.14, as well as the latest accessibility stack 
updates, i.e at-spi2-core, at-spi2-atk, and pyatspi into the Ubuntu 
Accessibility dev PpA found at 
https://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. These updates are 
available for trusty and utopic.

Luke




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Re: Orca on ubuntu 14.04

[Luke Yelavich]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:10:38PM EDT, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I experience known bugs in Ubuntu 14.04 with Orca and Libreoffice. Does a
> 3.14 orca exist as ubuntu package? How can I have it? PPA? Is there an
> update?

I have just uploaded Orca 3.14, as well as the latest accessibility stack 
updates, i.e at-spi2-core, at-spi2-atk, and pyatspi into the Ubuntu 
Accessibility dev PpA found at 
https://launchpad.net/~accessibility-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. These updates are 
available for trusty and utopic.

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RE: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

[Alex Midence]

Did you check screen reader on in the universal section of system settings?

Alex M



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From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Milton
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:57 AM
To: orca-l...@gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

Hi all,
Since a couple of days I notice that Orca does not start automatically
anymore as it does before after login in my account in ubuntu 14.04.
Pressing Alt_Super_S is not responding. I than press Alt_F2 and type orca
--replace to start orca.
Maybe this is only on my machine? I use Unity and Orca 3.10.3 Milton
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Re: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

[covici]

hmmm, did you try logging out the regular way instead?  I am not a
Ubuntu expert, but maybe something has to be set on logout.

Milton  wrote:

> Yes I did. The strange thing is that when I then log out with
> Ctrl_Alt_Backspace Orca says Screen Off. And starting up in
> Gnome-shell I cannot start Orca with Alt_Super_S or with Alt_F2 and
> typing orca --replace.
> Milton
> 
> op 30-05-14 22:31, Alex Midence schreef:
> > Did you check screen reader on in the universal section of system settings?
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Milton
> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:57 AM
> > To: orca-l...@gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Since a couple of days I notice that Orca does not start automatically
> > anymore as it does before after login in my account in ubuntu 14.04.
> > Pressing Alt_Super_S is not responding. I than press Alt_F2 and type orca
> > --replace to start orca.
> > Maybe this is only on my machine? I use Unity and Orca 3.10.3 Milton
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> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to
> > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >
> >
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> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Re: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

[Milton]

Yes, I also log out the regular way. I have this problem on my desktop 
mcahine but on my laptop everything is fine. So I will do another fresh 
install on my desktop.

Milton

op 31-05-14 00:31, cov...@ccs.covici.com schreef:

hmmm, did you try logging out the regular way instead?  I am not a
Ubuntu expert, but maybe something has to be set on logout.

Milton  wrote:


Yes I did. The strange thing is that when I then log out with
Ctrl_Alt_Backspace Orca says Screen Off. And starting up in
Gnome-shell I cannot start Orca with Alt_Super_S or with Alt_F2 and
typing orca --replace.
Milton

op 30-05-14 22:31, Alex Midence schreef:

Did you check screen reader on in the universal section of system settings?

Alex M



-Original Message-
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Milton
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:57 AM
To: orca-l...@gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

Hi all,
Since a couple of days I notice that Orca does not start automatically
anymore as it does before after login in my account in ubuntu 14.04.
Pressing Alt_Super_S is not responding. I than press Alt_F2 and type orca
--replace to start orca.
Maybe this is only on my machine? I use Unity and Orca 3.10.3 Milton
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Re: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

[Milton]

Yes I did. The strange thing is that when I then log out with 
Ctrl_Alt_Backspace Orca says Screen Off. And starting up in Gnome-shell 
I cannot start Orca with Alt_Super_S or with Alt_F2 and typing orca 
--replace.

Milton

op 30-05-14 22:31, Alex Midence schreef:

Did you check screen reader on in the universal section of system settings?

Alex M



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From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Milton
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:57 AM
To: orca-l...@gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [orca-list] Orca does not start automatically in Ubuntu 14.04

Hi all,
Since a couple of days I notice that Orca does not start automatically
anymore as it does before after login in my account in ubuntu 14.04.
Pressing Alt_Super_S is not responding. I than press Alt_F2 and type orca
--replace to start orca.
Maybe this is only on my machine? I use Unity and Orca 3.10.3 Milton
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Re: [orca-list] remote desktop accessibility under gnome with orca

[José Renato]

Brother,

Use google chrome remote desktop solution.

Att,
José Renato
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Em 16/05/2014 15:39, "Don Raikes"  escreveu:

> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> Sorry for the shotgun approach for sending this message, but I need to
> find an accessible remote desktop solution for interacting with either
> linux (gnome-based) or windows remote systems.
>
>
>
> I have a class I am taking over the summer where I will be interacting
> with a variety of remotely hosted systems. The typical scenario for the
> class is that the students access the remote systems via VNC, but VNC on
> windows at least is totally inaccessible, so I was wondering if there is
> any kind of accessible solution from linux/gnome.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions/ideas are appreciated.
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RE: [orca-list] remote desktop accessibility under gnome with orca

[Louis Maher]

SecureCRT http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/
Will give you good character-based remote access to Linux machines from a
Windows machine.

I know of no way to access gui interfaces remotely.   This is a major need
for the blind in industry since companies are going to a server-centric
model in which the user uses a windows machine too access remote Linux
gui-based applications.

I have heard that remote graphics systems (RGS) might allow for remote audio
access, but I have not heard that this has been done.




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Subject: Re: [orca-list] remote desktop accessibility under gnome with orca

That was my original thought. The professor for my cvlass is checking to see
if ssh is enabled on the remote systems. If it is then I should be fine,
however, there may be some  GUI applications I have to use so the remote
desktop type of access would still be helpful.


-Original Message-
From: Lucas Radaelli [mailto:lucasradae...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:58 PM
To: Don Raikes
Cc: orca-l...@gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com;
debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: remote desktop accessibility under gnome with orca

If you are going to access remot machines, what about you get a ssh client
and ssh into the other machine?


2014-05-16 14:52 GMT-03:00, Don Raikes :
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> Sorry for the shotgun approach for sending this message, but I need to 
> find an accessible remote desktop solution for interacting with either 
> linux
> (gnome-based) or windows remote systems.
>
>
>
> I have a class I am taking over the summer where I will be interacting 
> with a variety of remotely hosted systems. The typical scenario for 
> the class is that the students access the remote systems via VNC, but 
> VNC on windows at least is totally inaccessible, so I was wondering if 
> there is any kind of accessible solution from linux/gnome.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions/ideas are appreciated.
>
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RE: [orca-list] what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?

[Alex Midence]

14.04 will have Gnome-shell 3.10.  As for accessible Evince, I believe 13.10
has it so, 14.04 should.  I'm running 13.10 at ome so, I can check this
evening to make sure.  


-Original Message-
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
Krishnakant Mane
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:50 AM
To: orca-l...@gnome.org
Cc: Ubuntu-Accessibility
Subject: [orca-list] what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?

hello all,
I wish to know what can be expected from Ubuntu 14.04 as far as
accessibility is concerned?
1, will Unity 3d be finally accessible and to what extent?
2, Will there be a possibility to have Gnome 3.10 on the said version?
3, I saw a mail few days before on pdf acccessibility through evince?  
Will that accessible version be available on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

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Re: Orca in Xfce?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

Thanks for all your tips and suggestions!

I will start to look into Peter's instructions as well as sign up for the
Orca mailing list. I started out here as Ubuntu Studio is, well Ubuntu.

So far I have had best success on Xfce 4.8 (Ubuntu Studio 12.04 & Debian
Wheezy) rather than 4.10 (Ubuntu Studio/Xubuntu 13.04/13.10). As the next
release of Ubuntu Studio 13.10 will use Xfce 4.10 that's what I'm pushing
for. The version of Orca in the Ubuntu repos for 13.xx is 3.8. Debian
Wheezy ran 3.4 and I suppose Ubuntu Studio 12.04 did the same, but I don't
have that computer available at the moment to check.

Kind regards
Jimmy


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Peter Vágner  wrote:

> Hello,
> I recommend xfce 4.10 as there were some accessibility related fixes
> during its development cycle.
> When it comes to orca I know it is working well with orca 3.6 and also
> 3.8. I haven't tested xfce with other versions of orca.
> However I guess even orca 3.4 might work because there is nothing in xfce
> what communicates directly to orca and all the accessibility related
> packages are installed as orca dependencies so hopefully there is nothing
> that might cause conflicts.
> I would suggest install the recent stuff provided by your distro of choice
> and then tweak from there if some tweaking is needed indeed.
>
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Re: Orca in Xfce?

[Peter Vágner]

Hello,
I recommend xfce 4.10 as there were some accessibility related fixes 
during its development cycle.
When it comes to orca I know it is working well with orca 3.6 and also 
3.8. I haven't tested xfce with other versions of orca.
However I guess even orca 3.4 might work because there is nothing in 
xfce what communicates directly to orca and all the accessibility 
related packages are installed as orca dependencies so hopefully there 
is nothing that might cause conflicts.
I would suggest install the recent stuff provided by your distro of 
choice and then tweak from there if some tweaking is needed indeed.


Greetings

Peter


On 19.08.2013 20:38, S. Massy wrote:

Hello, Peter,
Thanks for the detailed breakdown and explanation. Do you happen to know
what are the prerequisite minimal versions of Xfce, Orca and the
accessibility stack for this to work?
Cheers,
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Re: Orca in Xfce?

[S. Massy]

Hello, Peter,
Thanks for the detailed breakdown and explanation. Do you happen to know
what are the prerequisite minimal versions of Xfce, Orca and the
accessibility stack for this to work? 
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Re: Orca in Xfce?

[Peter Vágner]

Hello,
I am also using xfce on one of my machines and I have got a lot of apps 
working in there.
I am using Arch linux and I have tried to write the instructions on how 
to get xfce4 working in arch. Perhaps you will be able to get the idea 
from my write up and you will adjust it to ubuntu.
So let's assume you have got pure text based arch linux installed and 
you would like to get xfce installed and try to make it accessible.

Here is what I would suggest:
- install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies groups of packages.
- If you have no ~/.xinitrc file then copy the default one into your 
home directory

cp /etc/skel/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc
- edit ~/.xinitrc with your favorite text editor. Make sure the line
exec startxfce4
is there and is not commented out.
Before this line add another line saying
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
- Install orca what will also install speech-dispatcher and other 
dependencies.
- Now either change speech-dispatcher configuration so it will use alsa 
as its output module or install pulseaudio.

You can edit /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
- At this point you should be able to start xfce by executing startx . 
As it starts up you will be greeted by the pannel configuration which is 
not accessible. You can escape or alt+f4 out of it and then press alt+f2 
to run xfce4 app finder and type in orca to launch it.
- If orca starts first thing you should do is that you will press alt+f1 
to inwoke the popup menu, choose applications -> settings -> 
accessibility and enable screen reader checkbox.
Once this is enabled I think you don't have to export the GTK_MODULES 
variable. So you will then be able to start xfce from the login manager.


I haven't installed gdm in order to get accessible login screen because 
it installs a lot of gnome dependencies. Instead I have installed SLiM 
and set it to autologin. 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Autologin I don't know if 
there are other more accessible login managers.


In order to make the experience better I have installed the following 
gnome and lxde packages:

polkit-gnome, evince, file-roller, pcman-fm.

QT4 apps can also be made accessible while running xfce4 you have to 
instal qt-at-spi from AUR and restart the machine in order to get it 
working.


xfce4-terminal is accessible, it has even keyboard shortcut for select all.
Mousepad what is xfce text editor is working verry well too.
For playing multimedia you can install vlc, totem or DeaDBeeF for music. 
DeaDBeeF is just partially accessible but it's avesome.


Firefox, Thunderbird and libre-office are all working verry well.
In the alt+F1 menu -> settings -> prefered applications I have changed 
default filemanager from thunar to pcman-fm. Xfce folks have put some 
efforts into making thunar more accessible however it is not yet working 
verry well.


If something does not work then try to diagnose what is failing. If all 
is working well don't read further.

After starting xfce4 hit alt+f2 and run xfce4-terminal .
In the terminal make sure sound is working by using speaker-test for 
example. You can exit speaker-test by pressing ctrl+c.
Then next step is to make sure speech is working. First try to use 
espeak as follows if it is really installed properly and working

espeak -v en "hello world"
If that is working well then move on and test whether the 
speech-dispatcher is working by running

spd-say "hello world"
Finally if all this is still working without a problem start orca from 
the terminal and examine its output. Perhaps there is some package 
missing, wrong entry in the config etc.



Hopefully this is usefull

Greetings

Peter


On 19.08.2013 11:27, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:

Hi,

I'm part of the devel-team for Ubuntu Studio and we received a request 
to include Orca and brltty in the next releases to further support 
visually impaired users. I have been doing some tests to include Orca 
but not very successfully. The aim is to include Orca already during 
installation.


However, I'm not sure where to address my questions and issues. My 
first thought was the Ubuntu Accessibility team but I'm not sure the 
team is still active? I've tried the #ubuntu-accessibility channel on IRC.


Since I'm uncertain if the issue is because I'm setting it up wrong, 
or it's an issue since Ubuntu Studio use Xfce as default or if it's an 
issue with Orca in general in 13.04 and 13.10 I'm not sure where to 
turn? Any pointers?


Kind regards
Jimmy

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Re: Orca in Xfce?

[Krishnakant Mane]

Correct,
You have to do some configurations for xfce.
And I would rather suggest you include Orca for either gnome shell 
version 3.8 or xfce.

happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 08/19/2013 02:57 PM, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:

Hi,

I'm part of the devel-team for Ubuntu Studio and we received a request to
include Orca and brltty in the next releases to further support visually
impaired users. I have been doing some tests to include Orca but not very
successfully. The aim is to include Orca already during installation.

However, I'm not sure where to address my questions and issues. My first
thought was the Ubuntu Accessibility team but I'm not sure the team is
still active? I've tried the #ubuntu-accessibility channel on IRC.

Since I'm uncertain if the issue is because I'm setting it up wrong, or
it's an issue since Ubuntu Studio use Xfce as default or if it's an issue
with Orca in general in 13.04 and 13.10 I'm not sure where to turn? Any
pointers?

Kind regards
Jimmy

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Re: [orca-list] Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

tended to
> >>>be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
> >>>is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
> >>>inference then that's great.
> >>>
> >>>On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>>>Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
> >>>>going to
> >>>>be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
> >>>>Cannonical which
> >>>>makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
> >>>>anyone
> >>>>speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
> >>>>the
> >>>>million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:
> >>>>
> >>>>Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not?
> >>>>If not,
> >>>>when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
> >>>>inflammatory.  I
> >>>>*was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
> >>>>where such
> >>>>things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
> >>>>should
> >>>>project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
> >>>>see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
> >>>>Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
> >>>>even
> >>>>hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
> >>>>Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
> >>>>please.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thank you.
> >>>>Alex M
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-Original Message-
> >>>>From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>>Christopher Chaltain
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
> >>>>To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> >>>>Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org
> >>>>Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
> >>>>
> >>>>Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
> >>>>focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
> >>>>provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
> >>>>This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
> >>>>time.
> >>>>Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
> >>>>statement
> >>>>or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.
> >>>>
> >>>>On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>>>>Hi, all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
> >>>>>the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
> >>>>>know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
> >>>>>disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
> >>>>>12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
> >>>>>wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
> >>>>>ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
> >>>>>13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
> >>>>>now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
> >>>>>accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
> >>>>>more in light of this development.  Please see link below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Alex M
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>___
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> >>>>>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>>>

Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

ssage wasn't trying to be
> >> inflammatory.  I
> >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
> >> where such
> >> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
> >> should
> >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
> >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
> >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
> >> even
> >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
> >> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
> >> please.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> Alex M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Christopher Chaltain
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
> >> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> >> Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org
> >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
> >>
> >> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
> >> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
> >> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
> >> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
> >> time.
> >> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
> >> statement
> >> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.
> >>
> >> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
> >>> the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
> >>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
> >>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
> >>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
> >>> wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
> >>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
> >>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
> >>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
> >>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
> >>> more in light of this development.  Please see link below:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Alex M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>> orca-l...@gnome.org
> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>> The manual is at
> >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>
> >>
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> >> chaltain at Gmail
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> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >> The manual is at
> >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
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> >> help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>
> >
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Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

ssage wasn't trying to be
> >> inflammatory.  I
> >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
> >> where such
> >> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
> >> should
> >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
> >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
> >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
> >> even
> >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
> >> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
> >> please.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> Alex M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Christopher Chaltain
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
> >> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> >> Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org
> >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
> >>
> >> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
> >> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
> >> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
> >> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
> >> time.
> >> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
> >> statement
> >> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.
> >>
> >> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
> >>> the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
> >>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
> >>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
> >>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
> >>> wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
> >>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
> >>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
> >>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
> >>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
> >>> more in light of this development.  Please see link below:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Alex M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
> >>> orca-list mailing list
> >>> orca-l...@gnome.org
> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>> The manual is at
> >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>
> >>
> >> -- 
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> >> chaltain at Gmail
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> >> orca-l...@gnome.org
> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >> The manual is at
> >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> >> how to
> >> help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: [orca-list] Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]

[Christopher Chaltain]

but, I happen to live in a free country
where such
things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
should
project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
even
hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
please.

Thank you.
Alex M



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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
time.
Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
statement
or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.

On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi, all,

It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
more in light of this development.  Please see link below:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced

Regards,

Alex M



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[Christopher Chaltain]

ou can,
please.

Thank you.
Alex M



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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
time.
Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
statement
or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.

On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi, all,

It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
more in light of this development.  Please see link below:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced

Regards,

Alex M



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Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
I think this thread can be closed now.
It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.

If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be
preferable.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte   
On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list
> have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any
> more, and never have,  about the plans for Unity accessibility than
> anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu
> accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC
> channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This
> is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS
> releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an
> easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the
> plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I
> assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal.
>
> I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks
> out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one
> person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates
> something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I
> don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers,
> applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience.
>
> The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus
> accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers".
> Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as
> snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with
> what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the
> developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I
> can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and
> this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the
> matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the
> precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as
> simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no
> discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you
> think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that
> people reading your message  understand that the accessibility
> developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely
> honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to
> defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving
> from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions.
>
> BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal
> was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have
> attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and
> participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm
> not sure what other conclusion could have been made though.
>
> BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to
> be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
> is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
> inference then that's great.
>
> On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
>> going to
>> be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
>> Cannonical which
>> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
>> anyone
>> speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
>> the
>> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:
>>
>> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? 
>> If not,
>> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?
>>
>> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
>> inflammatory.  I
>> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
>> where such
>> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
>> should
>> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
>> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
>> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
>> even
>> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
>> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
>> please.
>>
>> Thank you.
>

Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Frederik Gladhorn]

Onsdag 24. juli 2013 12.08.32 skrev Alex Midence:
> I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up.  Do
> I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
> environment that will give you valuable data?

No, any reasonalbly recent linux distro should work just fine. I'd go with 
something not too old so that at-spi-2 works.

You can qet Qt 5 installers here: 
http://download.qt-project.org/official_releases but they will not be 
accessible.

I guess there are more and more distribution packages showing up these days, 
so hopefully that provides a convenient way to test.

Alternatively you can build from source which is somewhat time consuming.


Cheers,
Frederik


> 
> Alex M
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
> orca-l...@gnome.org
> Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane'
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
> Mir and QT
> 
> Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence:
> > Very true.  The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
> > That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out
> > KDE.  If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted
> > to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form
> > of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you.  If it was a field
> > you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and
> > Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character
> > or word by word navigation was not possible at the time.  I hope
> > that's gotten better since then.  I haven't looked at it since May or
> > June of last year, I think.  It is a very important piece of the puzzle.
> 
> For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy
> description on https://bugs.kde.org .
> 
> Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably
> quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or
> as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5
> (examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many
> examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel
> free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and
> make sure to choose "Gui: Accessibility" as component.
> 
> Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt
> 4, but need some testing.
> 
> KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even
> though Jose made it work much better than before).
> 
> Greetings
> Frederik
> 
> > Alex M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM
> > To: Alex Midence
> > Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org;
> > vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
> > orca-l...@gnome.org
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to
> > go to Mir and QT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start
> > reporting bugs agressively.
> > happy hacking.
> > Krishnakant.
> > 
> > On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > 
> > Wonderful news!  I certainly feel better for it.  Thanks for all your
> > hard work on qt-at-spi.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Alex M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
> > To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org
> > Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com;
> > Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and
> > QT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, all,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
> > the
> > 
> > near
> > 
> > 
> > future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the
> > current
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > state of accessibilit

RE: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Alex Midence]

Hi, Luke,

Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part of the
problem.  What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one having
to do all this work.  They really should hire you some help.  There is only
so much one person can do and a11y is a big job.  Apple has a full on team
working on Voiceover.  Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and probably
others I don't know about working on Android accessibility.  If canonical is
going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't
hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload.  However,
those decisions are beyond our control.  Speaking for myself, I am
personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in.  


Best regards,
Alex M

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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote:
> Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard 
> work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of 
> their time to make things accessible.  However, it was disappointing 
> to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only 
> to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the 
> distro for at the very least 2 full years.

For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for Unity
to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it
brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity
easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and Qt is
well established etc.

I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of
the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time, because I
do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was not to
work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok with
me doing so.

Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost
exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an environment as
one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific parts
of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough spots when
it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics stack and
everythign that goes with it to deal with.

Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely going to
be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the work
that is required, and given the time and resources, or possibly lack there
of, available to do so. I do really appreciate that you all want regularly
updated, accessible distro releases that have the latest accessibility
crack, but please keep in mind just how many of us in the wider *nix
accessibility community there are, and also keep in mind how many of us are
involved with some form of active development in the area, and if you want
to dig deeper, think about the number of us working on GUI desktop
accessibility of some kind.

I try to take the approach of under promising, and at least delivering, and
if I can over deliver, than thats great.

In the meantime, there is the Ubuntu GNOME remix, with GNOME shell, wich
does work quite well these days. I'll do my best to try and fix any issues
people may notice with that release, given the accessibility tools and
infrastructure are shared with GNOME and Unity.

Thanks, and I really appreciate your understanding, and support.

Luke


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RE: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Alex Midence]

The way accessibility was approached by Google is pretty smart.  Eyes-free
they call it implying that someone who can see might choose to operate their
smartphone without using their vision.  This is so they can keep their eyes
on the road, for instance.  Thus, it became something valuable to include in
their operating system as a feature that could benefit the entire user
population and not just one specific sector of it.  I thought it was rather
clever and I must say I like the inclusive mindset.  Apple has done
something similar with Siri.

Alex M


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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:17 PM
To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com
Cc: 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

I know you didn't say this, but Mark Shuttleworth and Jane Silver are aware
that totally blind people can use computers and smart phones. I think you're
right in that it's hard for any one to quantify their return on investment
into accessibility, even a smart business man or woman. I'm not even sure
you could say that Apple has sold a million iPhones they wouldn't have sold
otherwise because of VoiceOver and accessibility. Also, selling a million
more smart phones has to be prioritized behind selling that first smart
phone.

Getting a new smart phone with a new operating system into the arena is
incredibly hard. Not only is there all of the development that needs to go
on (think of all of those apps you take for granted on your current smart
phone and realize none of those apps exist yet under Unity) but there's also
the fact that you need to get manufacturers and carriers on board and build
an ecosystem around a new player in the mobile space.

I'm not saying Canonical shouldn't be investing more in accessibility, in
fact, I think they should be. I'd like to see them pushing accessibility
more in their marketing, be the first smart phone to be accessible right out
of the gate and hammer home the fact that ubuntu (the philosophy and
operating system) includes blind people. I think this would pay off for
Canonical down the road.

Whatever anyone thinks of Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth, he is an
incredibly successful, bright and driven person, and he has to accomplish an
awful lot with limited resources if Ubuntu Touch is going to be successful.
Accessibility is only one challenge on his radar.

On 07/24/2013 12:29 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> I think the issue here is the total mindset and also the fact that 
> many so called smart business men don't realize the business they can 
> generate out of accessibility.
> Firstly, there are those who don't *still* beleive that a totaly blind 
> person like me can actually use a Phone, let alone a computer.
> And I am refering to highly qualified engineers or business personals.
> Secondly, how many would go one step ahead and say "let's add a 
> million more probable custommers by making the device accessible"?
> That's why accessibility takes a back seet.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
> On 07/24/2013 10:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I agree accessibility should be baked in from the beginning. It's 
>> cheaper than bolting it on later, opens up more revenue streams, 
>> provides positive PR and so on. It's the law here in the US, and just 
>> the right thing to do. I wasn't speaking from my own opinion, but 
>> just echoing where I think these companies are coming from and why I 
>> think their making the investments they are. I can't think of a 
>> single smart phone company that introduced an accessible smart phone 
>> with they're first offering and that includes Apple, Google, 
>> Microsoft and Nokia. I don't like it, but I don't think many 
>> companies place accessibility very high on their priority lists as 
>> compared to getting a new product into the market place and getting 
>> it to a point where it's competitive and profitable.
>>
>> I've heard that Apple had to develop it's own screen reader when 
>> Berkley Systems went out of business and no other 3rd party screen 
>> reader would develop a screen reader for the Mac. Apple was in danger 
>> of losing government contracts because MS had an accessible story 
>> while Apple did not. I don't know this first hand, but I would say I 
>> have it from reliable sources. Of course, Apple has gone far beyond 
>> this in making all of it's products accessible out of the box.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any company losing a government contract because 
>> they didn't have an accessible smart pho

Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Al Sten-Clanton]

It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a "viable 
product" apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of 
course.  (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the 
view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs 
are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard 
monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong.


Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's 
recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit.  (I say 
"recent foray" because there was a period during the 1980s when it 
provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure 
whether this is right or wrong?


Al

On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote:

I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity
accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple
or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also
a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are
already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone
nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is
a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable
after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to
break into the mobile market.

I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more
in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances
right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different.
I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out
into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens and it becomes
successful, they'll invest more in accessibility, just as Apple and
Google have. In some ways, this is analogous to Microsoft and Windows
Phone. MS's priority right now is to become relevant in the mobile
space. Once that happens then I think accessibility will move up higher
on their priority queue.

On 07/24/2013 08:41 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi, Luke,

Just to be clear, I don't think and have never thought you were part
of the
problem.  What I do think is that it sucks that you are the only one
having
to do all this work.  They really should hire you some help.  There is
only
so much one person can do and a11y is a big job.  Apple has a full on
team
working on Voiceover.  Google has Dr. Raman and his assistant and
probably
others I don't know about working on Android accessibility.  If
canonical is
going to expand into all these other markets, I don't see why they can't
hire you a couple of assistants to help distribute the workload.
However,
those decisions are beyond our control.  Speaking for myself, I am
personally very appreciative of all the work you have put in.


Best regards,
Alex M

-Original Message-
From: Luke Yelavich [mailto:them...@ubuntu.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:05 PM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: Christopher Chaltain; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu
Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:33:34PM EST, Alex Midence wrote:

Also, for the record, I fully recognize and appreciate all the hard
work of the developers of the Ubuntu community who freely give of
their time to make things accessible.  However, it was disappointing
to finally have gotten a very accessible port of Unity in 12.04 only
to be told that we were back to poor a11y in other versions of the
distro for at the very least 2 full years.

For the record, I was disappointed as well. I expressed my desire for
Unity
to stick with using Qt at the time, given the accessibility advantages it
brought for one, and the fact that it would have made maintaining unity
easier as the nux GUI toolkit wouldn't also need to be maintained, and
Qt is
well established etc.

I am the only developer working for Canonical who spends at least some of
the time working on accessibility issues. I say some of the time,
because I
do have other duties, in fact the primary reason why I was hired was
not to
work exclusively on accessibility, although the powers that be are ok
with
me doing so.

Having said that, my big focus for the next 10-12 months will almost
exclusively be getting Qt5, Mir, and Unity as accessible an
environment as
one person can possibly manage. Qt5 helps somewhat, but the specific
parts
of Qt that are being used for the new Unity still have some rough
spots when
it comes to accessibility, and there is also the changing graphics
stack and
everythign that goes with it to deal with.

Given these changes, and given I am the only person who is likely
going to
be working on all of this, I cannot really promise anything, given the
work
that is required, and given the time and r

RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Alex Midence]

I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up.  Do
I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
environment that will give you valuable data?  

Alex M


-Original Message-
From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM
To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
orca-l...@gnome.org
Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane'
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence:
> Very true.  The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
> That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out 
> KDE.  If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted 
> to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form 
> of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you.  If it was a field 
> you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and 
> Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character 
> or word by word navigation was not possible at the time.  I hope 
> that's gotten better since then.  I haven't looked at it since May or 
> June of last year, I think.  It is a very important piece of the puzzle.

For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy
description on https://bugs.kde.org .

Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably
quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or
as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5
(examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many
examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel free
to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and make
sure to choose "Gui: Accessibility" as component.

Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt
4, but need some testing.

KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even
though Jose made it work much better than before).

Greetings
Frederik

> 
> 
> 
> Alex M
> 
> 
> 
> From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM
> To: Alex Midence
> Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; 
> vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; 
> orca-l...@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to 
> go to Mir and QT
> 
> 
> 
> This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start 
> reporting bugs agressively.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
> 
> On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> 
> Wonderful news!  I certainly feel better for it.  Thanks for all your 
> hard work on qt-at-spi.
> 
> 
> 
> Alex M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
> To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org
> Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 
> Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and 
> QT
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in 
> the
> 
> near
> 
> 
> future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the 
> current
> 
> 
> 
> state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to 
> find
> 
> 
> 
> out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed 
> that
> 
> 
> 
> Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This 
> was
> 
> 
> 
> supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out 
> with
> 
> 
> 
> Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to 
> know
> 
> 
> 
> if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop 
> will
> 
> 
> 
> need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please 
> see
> 
> 
> 
> link below:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, 
> including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. 
> Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making
Qt 4 accessible.
> 
> All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to 
> reach the level of the 

Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

Hi,

On mardi 23 juil. 2013 à 15:38:37 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> In Unity, you can use the alt+f10 key to bring up the global menus,
> arrow left to get to the devices pull down and then down arrow to
> shutdown.

Excellent! Thanks! it works fine. But given there's a desktop, is it possible to
create launchers on the desktop? I tried via Application key but I get nothing.
I tried shift-F10, all crashed. Is there a solution or isn't ft designed for
this?

Thanks for your answer.

Regards,

> 
> Note that Vinux 4.0 is based on Ubuntu 12.04 which runs Unity 2D by
> default. Your statement, "Vinux in 13.4 is confusing.
> 
> On 07/23/2013 03:22 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >For the unity iN Vinux 13.4, how do you do to shut down the computer? I found
> >with gnome, but not with Unity.
> >
> >Moreover, on gnome-shell, is there some doc about accessibility and using it
> >with the keyboard with news (Start key, Tab key, etc.)?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >On mardi 23 juil. 2013 à 14:58:01 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >>Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan
> >>to focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was
> >>meant to provide the best accessibility solution with the resources
> >>available. This was a transparent decision made with the best
> >>information at the time. Obviously, desktop plans have changed since
> >>then. This was not a statement or move just to placate blind Ubuntu
> >>users as your message implies.
> >>
> >>On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>>Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>>It looks like Ubuntu?s Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the
> >>>near future.  It looks like they?ll be using QT5.  Does anyone know the
> >>>current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all disappointed
> >>>to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is
> >>>believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it?s wonderfully accessible
> >>>legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
> >>>13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
> >>>now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
> >>>accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more
> >>>in light of this development.  Please see link below:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
> >>>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>
> >>>Alex M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Alex Midence]

Very true.  The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE.  If
you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in
either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind,
Orca couldn't read it back to you.  If it was a field you were filling in,
you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents
but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not
possible at the time.  I hope that's gotten better since then.  I haven't
looked at it since May or June of last year, I think.  It is a very
important piece of the puzzle.

 

Alex M

 

From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org;
vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

 

This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start
reporting bugs agressively.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Wonderful news!  I certainly feel better for it.  Thanks for all your hard
work on qt-at-spi.  
 
 
 
Alex M
 
 
 
 
 
From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org
Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com;
Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
 
 
 
Hello,
 
 
 
On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:
 

Hi, all,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the

near
 

future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current

 

state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find

 

out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that

 

Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was

 

supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with

 

Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know

 

if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will

 

need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see

 

link below:

 

 

 
 
 
Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including
the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have
also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible.
 
All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the
level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to
the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I
would expect things to look good.
 
 
 
Greetings
 
Frederik
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Alex M

 
 






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