Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
I retouched my orange/back start-here icon and made all the sizes. I uploaded the files to the wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 15:06 -0200, spg76 wrote: I retouched my orange/back start-here icon and made all the sizes. I uploaded the files to the wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions On the large version, the circles look deformed ... is that meant to look sunken in? The gaps between the segments shouldn't vary in size. The more than 1px thick outline doesn't help. The shading could be read as if the button is rounded, bulging outwards, but with an inward dent roughly of the size of the inner circle of the CoC. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: The shading could be read as if the button is rounded, bulging outwards, but with an inward dent roughly of the size of the inner circle of the CoC. That's pretty specific. Is this a well-known design pattern, or just a gut feeling for what would look good? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Am Dienstag, den 24.02.2009, 15:06 -0200 schrieb spg76: I retouched my orange/back start-here icon and made all the sizes. I uploaded the files to the wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org Hello Sebastian I attached a 3D correction for the right view from above ;) My first view alarmed me something isn't correct ... the second view analysed why :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz attachment: test4.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 11:38 -0600, Ryan Prior wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: The shading could be read as if the button is rounded, bulging outwards, but with an inward dent roughly of the size of the inner circle of the CoC. That's pretty specific. Is this a well-known design pattern, or just a gut feeling for what would look good? Neither. It is simply a description of one possible interpretation of the picture, without judgement if that would be a good or bad thing to strive for. The mere fact that I'm not sure how to read and what is intended can be seen as a problem. By offering a description, Sebastian can check if that is what he is trying to get across or not, possibly tweaking it to either encourage or discourage that interpretation. Ryan, I really wonder what the root of our communication problem is. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 11:38 -0600, Ryan Prior wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: The shading could be read as if the button is rounded, bulging outwards, but with an inward dent roughly of the size of the inner circle of the CoC. That's pretty specific. Is this a well-known design pattern, or just a gut feeling for what would look good? Neither. It is simply a description of one possible interpretation of the picture, without judgement if that would be a good or bad thing to strive for. The mere fact that I'm not sure how to read and what is intended can be seen as a problem. By offering a description, Sebastian can check if that is what he is trying to get across or not, possibly tweaking it to either encourage or discourage that interpretation. Reading over it again, I see that you were interpreting his work, not making a suggestion. Oops. I read it as the whole logo being inlaid into the glass, which is pretty consistent with your interpretation I think. I like it. Ryan, I really wonder what the root of our communication problem is. Please stick with me; in this case I misread your words. :-) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
From: ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of spg76 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:44 AM To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button I made a Start Here button. I only did the 22/24px to see how it look. I still have to refine it a little but you can see how it look with different themes at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here.png This looks ok but when a I saw it I had an idea - pure white Ubuntu logo with black outline for dark themes would look very good (though some ppl will say it's a mac thing) and in white ones could still be visible. Making such a logo is very difficult as you don't know where the button will be (top/bottom of the window) and you cannot make specific versions of it. Also you don't have control of where that dropdown arrow appears. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] start-here button
Hello, I made a PNG of the idea I had, unfortunately i can't make anything near that with Inkscape, so i'm just gonna leave it here incase someone wants to do it. Here's the pic : http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6162/logoubuntu.png And the PSD (cs3) : http://www.flyupload.com/?fid=577394785 Sorry again for not using the gimp / inkscape :) _ Découvrez toutes les possibilités de communication avec vos proches http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
I made a Start Here logo based on Anton's idea. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here2.png 2009/2/23 Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de Sorry for saying this so late, but by default, you have the menu where the logo belongs to Applications, right? For this reason I think turning the logo into a button is problematic, as it doesn't have its own target area. That said, your take on it looks sharper and actually more recognisable than the Human icon. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ I see what you mean. I'll try to make more a logo than a button on a next version. -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
From: ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of spg76 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:33 PM To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button I made a Start Here logo based on Anton's idea. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here2.png That looks good but it will be even better if you use the gray of dust's panel bg for the outline. This way it will not be visible in dark themes and will be not that distracting in white themes. But I think you should be the last person that decides what the start button logo should look like. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
@Anton, I thought about that. I'm gonna try it on a next version. @Cory, I think what Anton means it's that I should decide how my design should look like :) I made a new version of the orange/black start-here. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here3.png -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
spg76 wrote: @Cory, I think what Anton means it's that I should decide how my design should look like :) OK. With the bad quoting, it was real hard to tell. I made a new version of the orange/black start-here. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here3.png At this point, I'd really go with whatever you give me. :) It's up to you. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
From: ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of spg76 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:17 PM To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button @Anton, I thought about that. I'm gonna try it on a next version. @Cory, I think what Anton means it's that I should decide how my design should look like :) Exactly! J Sebastian is the only person that should decide on what has to be included or not. Sorry for my English, it was a hard day today and I'm tired so I make mistakes. I made a new version of the orange/black start-here. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here3.png I like that orange version too but is it possible to use sizes larger than 24px for the length? If yes you could try to extend a bit the right side of the orange bg and thus make the logo in the center. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anton Kerezov ank...@gmail.com wrote: *From:* ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto: ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] *On Behalf Of *spg76 *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2009 9:17 PM *To:* Discussion on Ubuntu artwork *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button @Anton, I thought about that. I'm gonna try it on a next version. @Cory, I think what Anton means it's that I should decide how my design should look like :) Exactly! J Sebastian is the only person that should decide on what has to be included or not. Sorry for my English, it was a hard day today and I'm tired so I make mistakes. I made a new version of the orange/black start-here. You can see it at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here3.png I like that orange version too but is it possible to use sizes larger than 24px for the length? If yes you could try to extend a bit the right side of the orange bg and thus make the logo in the center. This is a tricky issue. Of course, the logo is in the center, but the eye tends to be attracted to the center of the circle, not the center of the logo. I'd suggest extending the right side, like Anton says, in order to balance the amount of orange space on the left side with some on the right. Aside from that, I'm starting tot think this is a case where pixel art should really be sought rather than vector art. All the tiny start icons I'm seeing remind me of the limitations of vector art as the size of final icon shrinks, so if you can either touch-up or completely compose a start here icon in a by-pixel fashion, I suspect that would produce the best result for us in the end. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Ryan Prior wrote: I'm starting tot think this is a case where pixel art should really be sought rather than vector art. All the tiny start icons I'm seeing remind me of the limitations of vector art as the size of final icon shrinks, so if you can either touch-up or completely compose a start here icon in a by-pixel fashion, I suspect that would produce the best result for us in the end. This is why all the Breathe icons are drawn at the size they are intended to be used at. :) So a tiny bitmap will be the same as a tiny SVG when they're both drawn at the same size. Sebastien's current start images are just tests. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Am Montag, den 23.02.2009, 15:20 -0500 schrieb Cory K.: Ryan Prior wrote: I'm starting tot think this is a case where pixel art should really be sought rather than vector art. All the tiny start icons I'm seeing remind me of the limitations of vector art as the size of final icon shrinks, so if you can either touch-up or completely compose a start here icon in a by-pixel fashion, I suspect that would produce the best result for us in the end. This is why all the Breathe icons are drawn at the size they are intended to be used at. :) So a tiny bitmap will be the same as a tiny SVG when they're both drawn at the same size. Sebastien's current start images are just tests. -Cory K. I use Kubuntu and my start-here-Logo is usual 48x48 ;) @ Cory K.: I tried your PPA and seems that the power-options-icons in 48x48 looks quite bad on my Desktop. I use the power-switcher-Plamaoid on the Desktop ;) Think this should be fixed ... For be more detailed, I am talking about the metal ring. Screenshot attached (test2.png) ;) test3.png without this ring is better in my opinion. Check it out ... :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz attachment: test2.pngattachment: test3.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Am Montag, den 23.02.2009, 15:51 -0500 schrieb Cory K.: Oliver Scholtz wrote: Am Montag, den 23.02.2009, 15:20 -0500 schrieb Cory K.: Ryan Prior wrote: I'm starting tot think this is a case where pixel art should really be sought rather than vector art. All the tiny start icons I'm seeing remind me of the limitations of vector art as the size of final icon shrinks, so if you can either touch-up or completely compose a start here icon in a by-pixel fashion, I suspect that would produce the best result for us in the end. This is why all the Breathe icons are drawn at the size they are intended to be used at. :) So a tiny bitmap will be the same as a tiny SVG when they're both drawn at the same size. Sebastien's current start images are just tests. I use Kubuntu and my start-here-Logo is usual 48x48 ;) @ Cory K.: I tried your PPA and seems that the power-options-icons in 48x48 looks quite bad on my Desktop. I use the power-switcher-Plamaoid on the Desktop ;) Think this should be fixed ... For be more detailed, I am talking about the metal ring. Screenshot attached (test2.png) ;) test3.png without this ring is better in my opinion. Check it out ... :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz Attach a screenshot but honestly I really don't care much for how it works on Kubuntu ATM as this is a set for GNOME. So that's where our focus will be. :) -Cory K. Stop :!: Gnome3 will comes out. Maybe Karmic Koala will use it ... and Breathe will be maybe part of 9.10, too. Who don't says that wouldn't possible to use big icons on the panel!?!? We shouldn't forget the screenlets, too ;) I let this message for thinking about it, because if we do a perfect IconSet, so in every detail :) Honestly I think your right with the moment status. But don't care the possible future is a little bit reckless. :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Oliver Scholtz scholli...@yahoo.de wrote: Am Montag, den 23.02.2009, 15:20 -0500 schrieb Cory K.: Ryan Prior wrote: I'm starting tot think this is a case where pixel art should really be sought rather than vector art. All the tiny start icons I'm seeing remind me of the limitations of vector art as the size of final icon shrinks, so if you can either touch-up or completely compose a start here icon in a by-pixel fashion, I suspect that would produce the best result for us in the end. This is why all the Breathe icons are drawn at the size they are intended to be used at. :) So a tiny bitmap will be the same as a tiny SVG when they're both drawn at the same size. Sebastien's current start images are just tests. -Cory K. I use Kubuntu and my start-here-Logo is usual 48x48 ;) @ Cory K.: I tried your PPA and seems that the power-options-icons in 48x48 looks quite bad on my Desktop. I use the power-switcher-Plamaoid on the Desktop ;) Think this should be fixed ... For be more detailed, I am talking about the metal ring. Screenshot attached (test2.png) ;) test3.png without this ring is better in my opinion. I agree, the shot without the ring looks much better. The ring is just too shiny, not very Breathe in my opinion. Check it out ... :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
2009/2/23 Ryan Prior ryanpr...@gmail.com On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anton Kerezov ank...@gmail.com wrote: This is a tricky issue. Of course, the logo is in the center, but the eye tends to be attracted to the center of the circle, not the center of the logo. I'd suggest extending the right side, like Anton says, in order to balance the amount of orange space on the left side with some on the right. The only way to extend the right side it's scaling down the Ubuntu logo because the size of the object in the back it's 22 x 22. I'm refining the icon and making the other sizes, I see what I can do. (Little preview: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/113489/start-here3.svg) -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Ryan Prior wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com mailto:coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: You should keep better track of the development. ;) From the SuperEarlyShouldn'tBeDoingThisIt'sTooSoonRelease thread: I also added my start-here icon just as a placeholder 'till something better comes along. ;) Ah. I do vaguely remember that now, but I was shocked when I saw the placeholder start showing up in mockups and screenshots. And where were you with the 2 or 3 other calls for a start here image? I do not think that my submission is up to the quality of other things we've seen here. However, when I started to think about how to re-stimulate discussion on what start here image to use, I figured it wouldn't hurt to show what I made. If I can get it to look more breathe-styled, I will indeed put the 128px icon on the submissions page. Thanks. http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235095736.png A quick idea-purge to show what I think it should look like. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
Ryan Prior wrote: I don't think we can give up on the Ubuntu logo here -- it's far too iconic and it's used in other parts of the icon set to boot. If you want to try putting a big button around it like the K in KDE, I'd be happy to see something like that; but the Ubuntu logo has a distinct and recognizable shape, and that's a very good thing for an icon to have IMO. No big bland-looking (however shiny) circle just can stack up to that. I'm open to *all* ideas here. While I agree it's iconic, it's not needed to say Ubuntu IMO. It's a design vs. brand recognition choice. It's something I'm willing to let the quality of submissions decide. Right now, no proposed Ubuntu logos have been up to snuff. My original one was just based on the Oxygen O that is used in their start-here image. So while the set is used for KDE (much like Breathe hopefully will be used for Ubuntu) Oxygen still has it's own little branding. ;) -- -Cory K. .-.\m/ /v\/ // \ /( ) ^^-^^ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Start here button
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Saleel svela...@gmail.com wrote: Ryan Prior wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com mailto:coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: You should keep better track of the development. ;) From the SuperEarlyShouldn'tBeDoingThisIt'sTooSoonRelease thread: I also added my start-here icon just as a placeholder 'till something better comes along. ;) Ah. I do vaguely remember that now, but I was shocked when I saw the placeholder start showing up in mockups and screenshots. And where were you with the 2 or 3 other calls for a start here image? I do not think that my submission is up to the quality of other things we've seen here. However, when I started to think about how to re-stimulate discussion on what start here image to use, I figured it wouldn't hurt to show what I made. If I can get it to look more breathe-styled, I will indeed put the 128px icon on the submissions page. Thanks. http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235095736.png A quick idea-purge to show what I think it should look like. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I did an even quicker pic based on your idea in Inkscape of that idea. I think that making the Ubuntu logo look like that would be good, just make it a little more like the Ubuntu logo. Anyway, here is my pic: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rnyerqs=5 Smartboy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
