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Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:03:52PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Today in my backscroll I see: [15:13:58] fabrice_sp shadeslayer, what do you want? [...] [15:29:16] shadeslayer fabrice_sp: that package was sponsored by maco in #kubuntu-devel :P This is completely inappropriate. Let me know when #ubuntu-motu is open for everyone in the Ubuntu community. Sorry, maybe I'm being dense, but which part exactly is offensive? -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
Soren Hansen so...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:03:52PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Today in my backscroll I see: [15:13:58] fabrice_sp shadeslayer, what do you want? [...] [15:29:16] shadeslayer fabrice_sp: that package was sponsored by maco in #kubuntu-devel :P This is completely inappropriate. Let me know when #ubuntu-motu is open for everyone in the Ubuntu community. Sorry, maybe I'm being dense, but which part exactly is offensive? The part where someone is told because the package name starts with q, #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel. The person doing the asking is in fact very active in #kubuntu-devel, but was reaching out to MOTU to try and broaden themselves when they got sent away. This may seem over sensitive to you, but recently someone was turned down for MOTU because they work on KDE packages and this sort of pushing away people focused on one part of Universe only reinforces the problem. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
I think you are mislead by the term Masters of the Universe. At no point is everyone in #ubuntu-motu a domain specific expert on every facet of every type of package. For expert advice, you probably want to join channels dedicated to that subject. I see MOTU as a channel for general questions and questions regarding generic packaging and preferences, and specific channels for detailed oriented. I don't think anyone says you can't ask on both forums, nor kicked anyone from the channel. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, ubu...@kitterman.com sc...@kitterman.com wrote: Soren Hansen so...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:03:52PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Today in my backscroll I see: [15:13:58] fabrice_sp shadeslayer, what do you want? [...] [15:29:16] shadeslayer fabrice_sp: that package was sponsored by maco in #kubuntu-devel :P This is completely inappropriate. Let me know when #ubuntu-motu is open for everyone in the Ubuntu community. Sorry, maybe I'm being dense, but which part exactly is offensive? The part where someone is told because the package name starts with q, #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel. The person doing the asking is in fact very active in #kubuntu-devel, but was reaching out to MOTU to try and broaden themselves when they got sent away. This may seem over sensitive to you, but recently someone was turned down for MOTU because they work on KDE packages and this sort of pushing away people focused on one part of Universe only reinforces the problem. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu -- GPG Key ID: C92EF367 / 1428 FE8E 1E07 DDA8 EFD7 195F DCCD F5B3 C92E F367 WWW: http://www.sharms.org/blog -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
On 16.06.2010 16:10, ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: The part where someone is told because the package name starts with q, #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel. The person doing the asking is in fact very active in #kubuntu-devel, but was reaching out to MOTU to try and broaden themselves when they got sent away. This may seem over sensitive to you, but recently someone was turned down for MOTU because they work on KDE packages and this sort of pushing away people focused on one part of Universe only reinforces the problem. I think we need to get better at not thinking in too small categories. It's probably fine to say If you can't find the experience that you're looking for in here, you might want to talk to the people in #XYZ - it's what I'd do if it was about something specific as server packaging or the GNOME desktop or whatever. We can probably be more careful to avoid giving people the feeling they're wrong here. Have a great day, Daniel -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ub untu-motu is the wrong channel
Fabrice Coutadeur coutade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/6/16 James Westby jw+deb...@jameswestby.net: That's not how I read it. They were told that if they were intereted in KDE packages they could hang around in the Kubuntu channels. And that's exactly what I meant with my comment. I agree that telling someone they were in the wrong place would be wrong, but if there are separate Kubuntu channels then I see nothing Totally agree on that! The conversation didn't start with help me with this package. It started with I want to be a MOTU. My read is someone who said they wanted to become a MOTU was sent away and that's not very Ubuntu. #kubuntu-devel is not the best channel for people that want to be MOTU. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:10:53AM -0400, ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:03:52PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Today in my backscroll I see: [15:13:58] fabrice_sp shadeslayer, what do you want? [...] [15:29:16] shadeslayer fabrice_sp: that package was sponsored by maco in #kubuntu-devel :P Sorry, maybe I'm being dense, but which part exactly is offensive? The part where someone is told because the package name starts with q, #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel. I'm terribly sorry, but I don't see it. It's not that I don't understand or acknowledge the problem, I just don't see the problem manifested in the original conversation. Surely, it can't just be this: [15:28:46] fabrice_sp if you are more interested in K packages, you could connect to kubuntu channels is it? If it is, let me offer a different perspective: I see Fabrice providing a friendly pointer to a forum where the other party might get more qualified, focused help by simply pointing out that this other forum exists. Nothing more. He's not telling anyone to go away, that they're off-topic, that they're not welcome, or that they're acting inappropriately. If people want to talk about working on server stuff, it's much more likely to catch my attention in #ubuntu-server, or if someone wants to work on virtualisation stuff, I'm much more likely to notice it in #ubuntu-virt, but if I should happen to see anyone ask about it in #ubuntu-motu, I'm happy to help them there as well. These other channels /do/ exist. Are /you/ saying people are not welcome /there/? I'll readily admit I haven't looked up the conversation in my logs, so there may be more context, but given the part you quoted, I really don't see the problem. Sorry. This may seem over sensitive to you, but recently someone was turned down for MOTU because they work on KDE packages and this sort of pushing away people focused on one part of Universe only reinforces the problem. This is not isolated to people working on KDE stuff. With the advent of more and more package sets, people are more likely to get granted upload privs to those rather than getting full MOTU or core-dev, since (at least I'm reasonably sure this is the case) being interested in working on a limited set of more or less related packages is more common than being interested in working on all sorts of completely random stuff. -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 01:44:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: The conversation didn't start with help me with this package. It started with I want to be a MOTU. My read is someone who said they wanted to become a MOTU was sent away and that's not very Ubuntu. #kubuntu-devel is not the best channel for people that want to be MOTU. No, but it *is* a place for someone who wants to work on Qt/KDE packaging to coordinate their efforts with people who are also focused on Qt/KDE packaging. I didn't read it as please leave #ubuntu-motu but rather, here's a suggested place to go (in addition to #ubuntu-motu) to get in contact with people who have more knowledge of the specific idioms of the package you're looking at, but perhaps I'm extending the benefit of the doubt too generously. I would hope that we encourage MOTU members to coordinate their efforts in specific areas with people who are already working in those areas. -- Steve Beattie sbeat...@ubuntu.com http://NxNW.org/~steve/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 01:44:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: The conversation didn't start with help me with this package. It started with I want to be a MOTU. True. My read is someone who said they wanted to become a MOTU was sent away and that's not very Ubuntu. #kubuntu-devel is not the best channel for people that want to be MOTU. That depends. If said person is mostly/only interested in KDE stuff, it sounds (based on the name, I've never been there) like the best place place to get guidance on that subject, and only a few e-mails ago you becried the fact that people working on KDE had their MOTU application rejected. If you believe working on Kubuntu should be a valid path to becoming a MOTU, what's wrong with working more directly with the Kubuntu developers in #kubuntu-devel as your way towards MOTU? Again, I have to stress that noone was thrown out of #ubuntu-motu. A more focused forum was simply pointed out. -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
Soren Hansen so...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 01:44:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: The conversation didn't start with help me with this package. It started with I want to be a MOTU. True. My read is someone who said they wanted to become a MOTU was sent away and that's not very Ubuntu. #kubuntu-devel is not the best channel for people that want to be MOTU. That depends. If said person is mostly/only interested in KDE stuff, it sounds (based on the name, I've never been there) like the best place place to get guidance on that subject, and only a few e-mails ago you becried the fact that people working on KDE had their MOTU application rejected. If you believe working on Kubuntu should be a valid path to becoming a MOTU, what's wrong with working more directly with the Kubuntu developers in #kubuntu-devel as your way towards MOTU? Again, I have to stress that noone was thrown out of #ubuntu-motu. A more focused forum was simply pointed out. I get that you think it's OK to tell people who want to be a MOTU to go elsewhere if they express an interest in a KDE/Qt packages. I disagree. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
Ar Mer, 2010-06-16 am 17:24 -0400, ysgrifennodd Scott Kitterman: I get that you think it's OK to tell people who want to be a MOTU to go elsewhere if they express an interest in a KDE/Qt packages. I disagree. Scott K Scott, in this conversation from what I have read in the thread all that has happened is that the guy asking for help, shadeslayer, was advised to hang out in #kubuntu-devel since that is the location where people who can assist with KDE-related technical matters in Ubuntu are most likely to be found in one place. The MOTU team is a great team for assistance in packaging but if a specific KDE-related error popped up then hanging out in both #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu would allow that developer to get help and fix the problem much more easier since there is a great pool of assistance to choose from. In my humble opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with recommending a developer/contributor to be in two related channels which focus on two different aspects on which they will need to combine to do their task most efficiently. This is a big case of something out of nothing. Regards, Christopher Swift. -- Christopher Swift christopher.sw...@linux.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
Christopher Swift christopher.sw...@linux.com wrote: Ar Mer, 2010-06-16 am 17:24 -0400, ysgrifennodd Scott Kitterman: I get that you think it's OK to tell people who want to be a MOTU to go elsewhere if they express an interest in a KDE/Qt packages. I disagree. Scott K Scott, in this conversation from what I have read in the thread all that has happened is that the guy asking for help, shadeslayer, was advised to hang out in #kubuntu-devel since that is the location where people who can assist with KDE-related technical matters in Ubuntu are most likely to be found in one place. The MOTU team is a great team for assistance in packaging but if a specific KDE-related error popped up then hanging out in both #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu would allow that developer to get help and fix the problem much more easier since there is a great pool of assistance to choose from. In my humble opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with recommending a developer/contributor to be in two related channels which focus on two different aspects on which they will need to combine to do their task most efficiently. This is a big case of something out of nothing. You're welcome to you're opinion. The problem is it's unrelated to what happened. He didn't ask for help with Qt packaging. He asked for help becoming a MOTU. If the situation were that he was asking for help with a specific package, then I would agree. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
Ar Mer, 2010-06-16 am 18:47 -0400, ysgrifennodd Scott Kitterman: Christopher Swift christopher.sw...@linux.com wrote: Ar Mer, 2010-06-16 am 17:24 -0400, ysgrifennodd Scott Kitterman: I get that you think it's OK to tell people who want to be a MOTU to go elsewhere if they express an interest in a KDE/Qt packages. I disagree. Scott K Scott, in this conversation from what I have read in the thread all that has happened is that the guy asking for help, shadeslayer, was advised to hang out in #kubuntu-devel since that is the location where people who can assist with KDE-related technical matters in Ubuntu are most likely to be found in one place. The MOTU team is a great team for assistance in packaging but if a specific KDE-related error popped up then hanging out in both #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu would allow that developer to get help and fix the problem much more easier since there is a great pool of assistance to choose from. In my humble opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with recommending a developer/contributor to be in two related channels which focus on two different aspects on which they will need to combine to do their task most efficiently. This is a big case of something out of nothing. You're welcome to you're opinion. The problem is it's unrelated to what happened. He didn't ask for help with Qt packaging. He asked for help becoming a MOTU. If the situation were that he was asking for help with a specific package, then I would agree. Scott K In this instance, fabrice_sp was simply suggesting that connecting to other K* channels would help him out overall. He didn't say, well to join the MOTU it is best off that you head to #kubuntu-* but rather if you hang out in #kubuntu-* you may also pick up some other tips. In the -motu channel itself he tried to link him to the /MOTU/Mentoring page on the wiki however the other contributor beat him to it. I can't really see what happened next after the message at 15:29:16 to see how that developed. Christopher Swift -- Christopher Swift christopher.sw...@linux.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Please do not tell people interested in working on Qt/KDE apps in?Universe #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel
If the situation were that he was asking for help with a specific package, then I would agree. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu We are all free to have opinions as long we don't try to push them as facts. Fact 1: someone asked for help how to become a MOTU and present interest for a particular Qt package Fact 2: someone else based on a QT package mention suggested additional resources related to that interest From the logs you have sent there is no objective statement leading the #ubuntu-motu is the wrong channel idea, it is your opinion based on the chat interpretation, which in my opinion is not correct. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
