Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

Entangle - For camera tethering. I just purchaced a DLSR and have been 
playing around with that. DSLRs have so much stuff on them... settings and 
other things. A tethhering program allows control of the whole camera from 
the computer. It allows previewing a shot from a large screen instead of a 
small camera screen. it allows taking a series of shots with no camera 
touches which may inadvertantly move the camera and so stop motion 
animation can be done... my 8 year old son had lots of fun with this, we 
need a surface that doesn't move too :)


A tethered camera does not have to use the SD card in the camera as it 
imports each shot as it is taken. The whole set of shots can have a unique 
root name and be numbered starting at . The picture info can also be 
unique to the shoot. The copyright, owner etc. can be set for the session.


I have noticed that at least any of the portrait studios I have been to 
also use some sort of tethering program.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Len Ovens wrote:


On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Mike Holstein wrote:


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Len Ovens  wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:

  Kdenlive is capable of recording from
  webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime

Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not
intuitive at all that recording video is done from the monitor
section. Not helpful that the help button gives "Not found". And
http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than
helpful info. I don't have a dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has
huge latency... this may be libav. There seem to to be issues with
regard to libav/ffmpeg and how they are compiled for doing screen
capture too.


is the latency a big issue in that situation?


Latency seems to be camera related. A newer camera has a much better 
responce time. Same software, different computer. Not sure if anything 
else had anything to do with it. When I buy one that is not taped to my 
wife's computer I can try other machines. Still having trouble getting 
kdenlive to record video though. It seems to play ok, but when I hit 
record there is about 1/2 to 1 sec of video then kdenlive freezes. The 
file is created but is zero length.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Mike Holstein wrote:


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Len Ovens  wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:

  Kdenlive is capable of recording from
  webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime

Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not
intuitive at all that recording video is done from the monitor
section. Not helpful that the help button gives "Not found". And
http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than
helpful info. I don't have a dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has
huge latency... this may be libav. There seem to to be issues with
regard to libav/ffmpeg and how they are compiled for doing screen
capture too.


is the latency a big issue in that situation?


Probably not. In DVswitch it would be. DVswitch is for live use with two 
live video inputs and a VGA in. We don't include it by default, but do 
have it in our extra SW loader because it seems to be about the only live 
video switcher out there. I need to install that and look.


I will buy another web cam they are down to $3 these days and 
look way better than the $30 one I bought not too long ago. I am thinking 
that the kdenlive project settings may need to match the camera for it to 
work.


With regards to the VLC/Mplayer thing. There are two very strong 
followings for these very feature rich players. Using the default 
xfce/gnome/kde player is probably not tha best idea for someone who is 
actually using Studio for video creation. Mplayer gets loaded by default 
because a lot of the libs come from there, but there is no GUI included. 
It seems to me we have been down this path before and found that people 
who create video load their machine up with more than one video player and 
try to at least cover all the libs used to play video to make sure their 
video will work for "everyone". (probably have a win machine to try that 
too). I find just downloading a video to play I often end up trying out 
more than one player to find one that works right. Generally it is an 
mplayer based player that works.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

A straight PCM file for audio can be 50MB for a few minutes, many websites
refuse them because of their size and on a mobile connection people can't 
spare the bandwidth. There are also uncompressed video files, in 1080p they
are so big they cannot be played back from a single hard drive in some cases,
I've seen over 11GB for a <10 minute video.

Back in 2004, I found that .wav files were refused by the web hosts I used, and
when I tried .ogg audio, I got nothing but complaints by people who could not
open them. That was the end of my experiments with free codecs.

In my community, there are lots of default XP machines, not a single Ubuntu 
machine without codec support added. That tells me what I need to target with
output files.

On 02/13/2014 at 3:17 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:06 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default 
>install of Windows
>> XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any 
>reasonable degree of 
>> compression.
>> 
>> At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide 
>what to do with my 
>> computers, nobody else does.
>> 
>> On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" dsl.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com 
>wrote:
>> >> everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine
>> >
>> >+ on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.
>> >
>> >Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are 
>Linux
>> >machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is
>> >available by all major distros.
>
>Fortunately we could use clean PCM audio files for audio. Sure, 
>even
>the .wav format was invented by M$, but who cares, it's not a 
>codec, but
>clean PCM data with AFAIK some information, that can't be a patent 
>in
>any country.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:06 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of 
> Windows
> XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree 
> of 
> compression.
> 
> At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do 
> with my 
> computers, nobody else does.
> 
> On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
> >
> >On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> >> everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine
> >
> >+ on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.
> >
> >Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux
> >machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is
> >available by all major distros.

Fortunately we could use clean PCM audio files for audio. Sure, even
the .wav format was invented by M$, but who cares, it's not a codec, but
clean PCM data with AFAIK some information, that can't be a patent in
any country.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> > > everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine
> > 
> > + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.
> ^^^one

It might cause a misunderstanding.

"+1" for the point of view and "plus on Linux machines", perhaos against
the point of view of the poster.

Btw. I'm not only a fool regarding to the English language, but aware
that in Germany some patents are different rated than in some other
countries.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of 
Windows
XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of 
compression.

At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with 
my 
computers, nobody else does.

On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine
>
>+ on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.
>
>Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux
>machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is
>available by all major distros.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> > everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine
> 
> + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.
^^^one
> Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux
> machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is
> available by all major distros.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine

+ on a completely FLOSS Linux machine.

Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux
machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is
available by all major distros.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

I have no choice but to use H264 because my camera outputs in those files. Not 
being employed, I do not have the option of discarding and replacing cameras.

Therefore, I do not use the stripped version of ffmpeg, and that's not going to
change. We lost the fight to kill the patented codecs outright a long time ago, 
so
now we must prevent sucessful enforcement of those patents against free software
or we lose interoperability.

As for output codecs, I have had little luck getting all those non computer 
savvy 
folks I work with in activism to replace Windows XP on their typical older 
laptops
and desktops, meaning everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine.



On 02/13/2014 at 2:55 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:47 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> Writers of applications should be discouraged from using 
>patented anything that they 
>> could reasonably have avoided, and doubly discouraged from using 
>non-free 
>> licenses. I agree with distros refusing to distribute software 
>that voluntariliy uses
>> patented algorithms or non-free licenses. After all, the 
>"interoperability" defense seen
>> with codecs does not apply in such cases. 
>> 
>> If authors of code get the idea that a restrictive license bars 
>them from every distro's
>> repos and limits them to PPA's, that is a powerful inducement to 
>remove patented 
>> routines and release under a free license.
>> 
>> Codec patents, however, we have no choice but to fight, as free 
>codecs too often can't
>> be played by pay operating systems whose users may be the target 
>audience of videos
>> and audio files. Also the owners of codec all remember how the 
>patent FUD over .gif
>> killed the format and nobody wants to be next in line for that.
>
>Full acknowledgment :), with the restriction :p, that I understand 
>the
>LinuxSampler's illegal GPL restriction and I like it ;D, but I 
>don't
>care about all that patented codecs, I don't need them and I have 
>not
>much respect to people who need them. Are codecs heroin?
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:47 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> Writers of applications should be discouraged from using patented anything 
> that they 
> could reasonably have avoided, and doubly discouraged from using non-free 
> licenses. I agree with distros refusing to distribute software that 
> voluntariliy uses
> patented algorithms or non-free licenses. After all, the "interoperability" 
> defense seen
> with codecs does not apply in such cases. 
> 
> If authors of code get the idea that a restrictive license bars them from 
> every distro's
> repos and limits them to PPA's, that is a powerful inducement to remove 
> patented 
> routines and release under a free license.
> 
> Codec patents, however, we have no choice but to fight, as free codecs too 
> often can't
> be played by pay operating systems whose users may be the target audience of 
> videos
> and audio files. Also the owners of codec all remember how the patent FUD 
> over .gif
> killed the format and nobody wants to be next in line for that.

Full acknowledgment :), with the restriction :p, that I understand the
LinuxSampler's illegal GPL restriction and I like it ;D, but I don't
care about all that patented codecs, I don't need them and I have not
much respect to people who need them. Are codecs heroin?



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

Writers of applications should be discouraged from using patented anything that 
they 
could reasonably have avoided, and doubly discouraged from using non-free 
licenses. I agree with distros refusing to distribute software that 
voluntariliy uses
patented algorithms or non-free licenses. After all, the "interoperability" 
defense seen
with codecs does not apply in such cases. 

If authors of code get the idea that a restrictive license bars them from every 
distro's
repos and limits them to PPA's, that is a powerful inducement to remove 
patented 
routines and release under a free license.

Codec patents, however, we have no choice but to fight, as free codecs too 
often can't
be played by pay operating systems whose users may be the target audience of 
videos
and audio files. Also the owners of codec all remember how the patent FUD over 
.gif
killed the format and nobody wants to be next in line for that.





On 02/13/2014 at 2:25 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:06 +0100, Antoine Thomas wrote:
>> Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself 
>is
>> open source but you can't build it and distribute it.
>> 
>> This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie
>
>Amen! _But_ different countries = different laws, if the distro, 
>resp.
>distros repository is only for a special country, for some 
>countries it
>wouldn't matter.
>
>I often wanted to become a DEB and ARCH packager, but I never ever 
>will
>become a lawyer, so respect to the people who build official 
>packages
>for DEB distros and Arch. I decided to package not anything for an
>official repository. I'm not a coward, I had a previous conviction 
>for
>being a pacifist. However, fighting against war is easier than 
>fighting
>against (IOW ignoring) international patent laws.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:06 +0100, Antoine Thomas wrote:
> Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is
> open source but you can't build it and distribute it.
> 
> This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie

Amen! _But_ different countries = different laws, if the distro, resp.
distros repository is only for a special country, for some countries it
wouldn't matter.

I often wanted to become a DEB and ARCH packager, but I never ever will
become a lawyer, so respect to the people who build official packages
for DEB distros and Arch. I decided to package not anything for an
official repository. I'm not a coward, I had a previous conviction for
being a pacifist. However, fighting against war is easier than fighting
against (IOW ignoring) international patent laws.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

I don't know. Right now I have NO machines with working webcams, when I did
there was about 1 sec latency but I figured that was the camera itself, rather 
like
some security cameras.

I do not do any kind of live work because of bandwidth issues, and always select
cameras to shoot to camera cards for guaranteed compatability. Most of my 
experience with recordng from Kdenlive has been with screenshotting to defeat
attempts at DRM on some commercial news videos.

On 02/13/2014 at 10:01 AM, "Mike Holstein"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Len Ovens  
>wrote:
>
>>
>>  On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have 
>plug-in
 realtime
 cameras but if offer "Firewire," "ffmpeg"(via /dev/vdideo0 and
 video4Linux2),
 "Screen Grab," and "Blackmagic" recording options

>>>
>> Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not 
>intuitive
>> at all that recording video is done from the monitor section. 
>Not helpful
>> that the help button gives "Not found". And 
>http://userbase.kde.org/
>> Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than helpful info. I don't 
>have a
>> dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has huge latency... this may 
>be libav.
>> There seem to to be issues with regard to libav/ffmpeg and how 
>they are
>> compiled for doing screen capture too.
>
>
>is the latency a big issue in that situation?
>
>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Antoine Thomas]

Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is open
source but you can't build it and distribute it.

This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie
Le 13 févr. 2014 19:43, "Ralf Mardorf"  a écrit
:

> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:40 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> >  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it.
> > Someone needs
> > > to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included.
> >
> >
> > Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and
> > perhaps still
> > is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not
> > ready for
> > non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never
> > ever will
> > find it in the official Debian repositories.
> >
> >
> > What are the issues with the license?
> >
> >
> > "Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public
> > License (GPL).
> > However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development
> > of Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no
> > support for the software."
> >
> >
> > Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that
> > make a difference license-wise?
>
> "Cinelerra CV is an open-source non-linear video editor and is one of
> those incredible pieces of software that you just cannot believe is
> free... but that is part of the problem. 64 Studio cannot include it as
> part of the distribution because it has too many patent encumbered
> dependencies. But not to worry, if you install it yourself from other
> sources it is yours to use as you please! And this is that story..." -
> http://www.64studio.com/howto_cinelerra
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

JFTR if you e.g. have Qtractor with VST support from official
repositories, than it's not compiled with Steinnberg's headers and
likely will miss VST features. When I was a Qtractor tester I compiled
using Steinberg's headers, but I never used VSTs, so today, only a user,
I don't care and use Qtractor from official repositories, since I don't
care about the kind of VST support, because I don't use VSTs, neither
native Linux, nor Steinberg-Win-thingies.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> There are third party Debian repositories for LinuxSampler and likely
> for Cinelerra too. Please Kaj, take a look at licenses and Debian's
> policy before you recommend that people should package some software for
> the official Debian repositories. LinuxSampler and Cinelerra can't be
> part of the Debian repositories.
>

its not a recommendation, Ralph, but a prerequisite. assuming issues
*could* be resolved to get the package into debian, it could be included.
if that doesnt happen, it wont happen in ubuntu. its not an indicator of
what *should* happen.. or a command to the debian maintainers in any way..


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 07:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> There are third party Debian repositories for LinuxSampler and likely
> for Cinelerra too. Please Kaj, take a look at licenses and Debian's
> policy before you recommend that people should package some software for
> the official Debian repositories. LinuxSampler and Cinelerra can't be
> part of the Debian repositories.
> 
> 

I'm just saying, if you want a package included in Ubuntu Studio, first
make sure it exists in Debian repositories. Otherwise, we won't be
including it.
The discussion about licenses is better suited for the Debian bug report
that is created if and when someone decides to try get cinerella or
linuxsampler packaged and uploaded there.

If there were more Ubuntu Studio devs, and more time, it would be likely
that one of us would look into that. But, for now, we just focus on what
already is available :).

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:40 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it.
> Someone needs
> > to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included.
> 
> 
> Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and
> perhaps still
> is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not
> ready for
> non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never
> ever will
> find it in the official Debian repositories.
> 
> 
> What are the issues with the license?
> 
> 
> "Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public
> License (GPL). 
> However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development
> of Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no
> support for the software."
> 
> 
> Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that
> make a difference license-wise?

"Cinelerra CV is an open-source non-linear video editor and is one of
those incredible pieces of software that you just cannot believe is
free... but that is part of the problem. 64 Studio cannot include it as
part of the distribution because it has too many patent encumbered
dependencies. But not to worry, if you install it yourself from other
sources it is yours to use as you please! And this is that story..." -
http://www.64studio.com/howto_cinelerra




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs
> > to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included.
>
> Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still
> is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for
> non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will
> find it in the official Debian repositories.
>
> What are the issues with the license?

"Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public License
(GPL).
However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development of
Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no support
for the software."

Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that make
a difference license-wise?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

There are third party Debian repositories for LinuxSampler and likely
for Cinelerra too. Please Kaj, take a look at licenses and Debian's
policy before you recommend that people should package some software for
the official Debian repositories. LinuxSampler and Cinelerra can't be
part of the Debian repositories.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs
> to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included.

Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still
is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for
non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will
find it in the official Debian repositories.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 04:00 PM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier wrote:
> Include
> Cinelerra
> Openshot
> SubtSubtitle editor
> Vlc
>  Em 12/02/2014 12:28, "Kaj Ailomaa"  escreveu:
> 

First of all, I hope people have realized by now that what we are
talking about is what packages should be in Ubuntu Studio by default,
and that we can only include packages from the Ubuntu repos.

Openshot is already in (as is kdenlive).
Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to
package it for Debian, and that way it could be included.

As for the others, I'd like to see arguments for. One needs to explain
why something is to be included :).

We already have one subtitle editor and a video player included. I'd
like to hear a reason for why we either need to replace it, or to use
more than one.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier]

Include
Cinelerra
Openshot
SubtSubtitle editor
Vlc
 Em 12/02/2014 12:28, "Kaj Ailomaa"  escreveu:

> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> Trusty, and why?
>
> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier <
romuloxavier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Include
> Cinelerra
> Openshot
> SubtSubtitle editor
> Vlc
>

would you mind to address the teams that create these products and discuss
with them why ubuntu cant include them? and see if they are interested or
able to be included?


>  Em 12/02/2014 12:28, "Kaj Ailomaa"  escreveu:
>
> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> Trusty, and why?
>>
>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier <
romuloxavier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Include
> Cinelerra
> Openshot
> SubtSubtitle editor
> Vlc
>  Em 12/02/2014 12:28, "Kaj Ailomaa"  escreveu:
>
> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> Trusty, and why?
>>
>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Len Ovens  wrote:

>
>  On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>
>>  Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in
>>> realtime
>>> cameras but if offer "Firewire," "ffmpeg"(via /dev/vdideo0 and
>>> video4Linux2),
>>> "Screen Grab," and "Blackmagic" recording options
>>>
>>
> Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not intuitive
> at all that recording video is done from the monitor section. Not helpful
> that the help button gives "Not found". And http://userbase.kde.org/
> Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than helpful info. I don't have a
> dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has huge latency... this may be libav.
> There seem to to be issues with regard to libav/ffmpeg and how they are
> compiled for doing screen capture too.


is the latency a big issue in that situation?


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:

Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in 
realtime
cameras but if offer "Firewire," "ffmpeg"(via /dev/vdideo0 and 
video4Linux2),

"Screen Grab," and "Blackmagic" recording options


Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not intuitive 
at all that recording video is done from the monitor section. Not helpful 
that the help button gives "Not found". And 
http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than helpful 
info. I don't have a dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has huge 
latency... this may be libav. There seem to to be issues with regard to 
libav/ffmpeg and how they are compiled for doing screen capture too.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[ttoine]

2014-02-13 9:53 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 03:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding
> > > linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like
> > > flashplayer and nvidia drivers.
> >
> > You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_
> > GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal.
> >
>
> Based on what fact?
>
http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html

This not clear: libgig is on GPL, but if you read their FAQ, the developer
has the right on it, but not to put it in GPL. Second bad point is
linuxsampler, in GPL with commercial restriction. This is a serious licence
issue. They should use instead CC-by-nc or something like that. I think
that is why it is not available in Debian, even in a non free repo. For
that, the licence has to be free.

In the past, I worked a lot on the packaging of alsa-firmware so it could
be integrated and distributed by Ubuntu and Debian. At first we had to put
it in Medibuntu. The main problem was that many licences were not available
in sources, So with a few other at this time, we contacted vendors, read
their websites, browse driver files, and more, to find all licences. Once
done, packagers agreed to work on it for Ubuntu.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:53 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 03:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding
> > > linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like
> > > flashplayer and nvidia drivers.
> > 
> > You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_
> > GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal.
> > 
> 
> Based on what fact?

Didn't you read the complete mail? You at least didn't quote the
important part:

>From Paul Davis during a discussion on [LAD]:   
> It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2
> and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or 
> may not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation.

You might know about the Linux guru who add a joke to the GPL, similar
to "only use for good, not for evil", this became a serious issue, it's
simply not allowed to add restrictions to the GPL.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 03:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding
> > linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like
> > flashplayer and nvidia drivers.
> 
> You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_
> GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal.
> 

Based on what fact?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:


Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime
cameras but if offer "Firewire," "ffmpeg"(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2),
"Screen Grab," and "Blackmagic" recording options


I'll have to try that. LiVES is not the greatest, but better than VLC for 
recording video. I ended up recording with LiVES and then editing with 
kdenlive.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding
> linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like
> flashplayer and nvidia drivers.

You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_
GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal.

 Forwarded Message 
From: Paul Davis
To: Dominique Michel
Cc: linux-audio-...@lists.linuxaudio.org 
Subject: Re: [LAD] io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:08:23 -0500

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel
 wrote:
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences,
the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler,
considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.

It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2
and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may
not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

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Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime
cameras but if offer "Firewire," "ffmpeg"(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2),
"Screen Grab," and "Blackmagic" recording options

On 02/12/2014 at 6:49 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>
>> Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from 
>building. It may not
>
>Kdenlive is already included. It is what I use for any "little" 
>bit of 
>video editing I do. It really is a very small amount, video just 
>isn't my 
>thing. I do end up working on some of my wife's personal projects 
>though.
>
>I would like to see some thing like LiVES that can record video 
>from a USB 
>or FW camera.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

If web server software is included by default, that opens to door to security 
issues
on non-webhosting machines. If I hosted my videos locally, I certainly would
not use the same box on which I handle raw video clips (not all of which can be
released!) to run the server.

On 02/12/2014 at 6:44 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote:
>
>> They are tools to **PUBLISH CONTENT***
>They also interfere with creating content which is _our_ focus. 
>Old 
>computers are easy to find mostly free. Drop ubuntu server on any 
>of them 
>and all those things get added. on another box designed for 
>publishing 
>content.
>
>Side note: wine is already included on the 32 bit version, but is 
>not able 
>to be included on the 64bit live DVD image due to the way the 
>image is 
>created. Wine is all (or mostly) 32 bit libs.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

We have right now only an installer for libre office, should we add all or 
part of it? I was thinking writer for the (e)book publishing workflow.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:


Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not


Kdenlive is already included. It is what I use for any "little" bit of 
video editing I do. It really is a very small amount, video just isn't my 
thing. I do end up working on some of my wife's personal projects though.


I would like to see some thing like LiVES that can record video from a USB 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote:


They are tools to **PUBLISH CONTENT***
They also interfere with creating content which is _our_ focus. Old 
computers are easy to find mostly free. Drop ubuntu server on any of them 
and all those things get added. on another box designed for publishing 
content.


Side note: wine is already included on the 32 bit version, but is not able 
to be included on the 64bit live DVD image due to the way the image is 
created. Wine is all (or mostly) 32 bit libs.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote:


Apache -- HTTP Server

Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web

OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocol

Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server


Personally I would nix all of these. These are all servers that run in the 
back ground and would negatively impact audio use. Please remember this is 
not a server or a game platform, it is for multi-media creation.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Marco BRUNO wrote:


A very interesting tools is "CADENCE" used in kxstudio. unlike qtjack in my
opinion is much more intuitive.


Cadence is on the list waiting for a debian package. I can see no reason 
not to add it when it becomes available. I guess I am quite used to 
qtjackctl  :)  I don't find it unintuitive.



Another software that we use for our web radio IDJC is present (not in the
latest version) in the ubuntu repos.


Is the latest version in debian?


Another need that comes to mind is a software for the management of tags in
media files. An example is kid3 but there will be many more.
I maintain a web radio Creative Commons and the proper handling of tags is
crucial.


I hadn't thought of that. Broadcast is one of the workflows I do want to 
see supported which is why I added IDJC. If kid3 is the tool you use for 
this purpose because it seems to be the best for your use, that makes it a 
good pick if no one else has another idea.



Finally, it would be nice to have a voip client that works with jackd
(without pulseaudio).


I would add the word natively. A lot of the VIOP clients use an audio lib 
that can support jack i/o but the support is poor. The jack ports appear 
when the call comes in and the jack routing has to be done at that time... 
also some of the lib jack support doese other nasty things like use a 
different port name in jack for each new call and of course there is that 
wonderful auto connect "feature" that SW authors think is so nice :P


Asterisk does have jackd support available that looks quite good. It may 
be worth while making a addon package for Asterisk that provides a set up 
like that in a server mode. I have found that voip plus idjc is too much 
for my computer to handle. (admittedly my computer is older) I am 
thinking that netjack may be a good answer with a netjack client on an 
asterisk server that could handle other calls as well.


Speaking of netjack... if we ever get a working version of libopus (from 
jack's POV). I think it may be possible to use that dirrectly for remote 
content provision. The only problem I see with this is routing across 
firewalls. It should be ok so long as the netjack master has a visible 
IP/domain. Asterisk really has the same problem, but there are at least 
known work arounds.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding
linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like
flashplayer and nvidia drivers. But, I haven't tried to get it in, and
from what I've seen, no one else has gone through with it either.

As for the selection of default packages for Ubuntu Studio, one must
consider that the mission of Ubuntu Studio is to be a sort of main
stream, simple to use, fully configured platform for multimedia
production. Especially good for new users to a Linux based platform.
We have defined workflows, audio, video, graphics, publishing and
photography, and it is those that we present to users.

My question on what packages to include, and why (it's quite important
to argue for the reason why), was more about what plugins are we
missing, is there something really useful that we aren't including. That
sort of thing.
And also, basic desktop stuff, that helps make things easy for users.
Preferably something that most people will want, and not just a minority
of our users. These are default applications, so anyone can install
additional packages as they please.

Anyway, I'll look at the proposals so far. It's only been one day, so
hoping there will be some more :).

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:09 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> At any rate, Cinelerra is not yet in Ubuntu's repos, only available
> from a ppa.

There are licenses issues for Cinelerra.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

I have used Cinelerra, it has two problems: One is a clunky, harder to learn 
GUI.
That's not too bad as many pro video editors have similar issues. The other is 
this:
it has not kept up with changing formats produced by common cameras. I still 
have
the version I got during Precise (2012)  so I don't know if this has changed 
but as of then
Cinelerra could not read files containing H264 streams, either from  AVCHD 
cameras
or from another video editor.  Kdenlive can both read and write H264 if you use 
the 
fully-enabled ffmpeg/libav versions, or be distributed with that stripped for 
later 
user installation if codecs are deemed an issue.

Both Kdenlive and it's underlying MLT base are essentially codec-independant, so
adding support for any arbitrary codec is simply a matter of getting it into 
ffmpeg/
libav.

At any rate, Cinelerra is not yet in Ubuntu's repos, only available from a ppa.



On 02/12/2014 at 3:56 PM, "Jimmy Sjölund"  wrote:
>
>> On 12 feb 2014, at 21:20, Mike Holstein  
>wrote:
>>
>> /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant 
>for video production?
>>
>> relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos,
>No, I use kdenlive for everything. I thought it was a given and not
>something that would get removed. I have tried some other similar
>applications but always come back to kdenlive. I spoke recently 
>online
>with a film producer who just turned to use FOSS and he had only 
>good
>things to say about kdenlive.
>
>Cinelerra is GPL but also have a community version, none of which 
>are
>included in the repos yet. A bit more complicated than kdenlive but
>also said to be more advanced.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

> On 12 feb 2014, at 15:28, Kaj Ailomaa  wrote:
>
> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> Trusty, and why?
>
> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
Not for 14.04 but in the future I would like to include applications
like/similar to Scrivener and Trelby.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

> On 12 feb 2014, at 21:20, Mike Holstein  wrote:
>
> /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video 
> production?
>
> relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos,
No, I use kdenlive for everything. I thought it was a given and not
something that would get removed. I have tried some other similar
applications but always come back to kdenlive. I spoke recently online
with a film producer who just turned to use FOSS and he had only good
things to say about kdenlive.

Cinelerra is GPL but also have a community version, none of which are
included in the repos yet. A bit more complicated than kdenlive but
also said to be more advanced.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

KDEnlive -- Free and open-source video editor 

Have never used it, but heard lots about it.

Include an .iso with media produced with only ubuntu studio created content.


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2014-02-12 21:20 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :

> /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video
> production?
>
> relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It
>> may not
>> get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and
>> next
>> up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it
>> performs
>> very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor
>> available in
>> Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version
>> of any
>> distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable
>> folder.
>>
>> Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation,
>> the unpaid
>> version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion
>> no distro
>> should touch it.
>>
>> On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>> >
>> >Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> >Trusty, and why?
>> >
>> >plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

/me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video
production?

relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos,



On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM,  wrote:

> Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may
> not
> get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and
> next
> up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it
> performs
> very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor
> available in
> Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of
> any
> distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable
> folder.
>
> Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the
> unpaid
> version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion
> no distro
> should touch it.
>
> On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
> >
> >Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> >Trusty, and why?
> >
> >plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

> Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorer
> FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler
> PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers development

3 examples of farfetched software for ubuntu studio.

> Eagle -- PCB Design

Even if Eagle shouldn't be farfetched, the license might cause issues
for an official *buntu repository.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi eagle | grep Licenses
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[lukefromdc]

Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not
get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and next
up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it performs 
very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor available in 
Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of any
distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable folder.

Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the 
unpaid
version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion no 
distro
should touch it.

On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>Trusty, and why?
>
>plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 18:35 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> >  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > linux-sampler is GPL with an addition
> > 
> > 
> > This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into
> > the official
> > Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from
> > the
> > official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of
> > this year
> > I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul
> > Davis
> > mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy
> > of some
> > major distros.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in
> > ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what
> > could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping
> > in/out current repo packages?
> 
> I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there
> already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least
> LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the
> addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC.

I found the thread, regarding to Debian and LinuxSampler I'm right,
there's something fishy with LinuxSampler for Debian, but regarding to
jackd I must have confused it with another issue.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eagle -- PCB Design 
> 
> PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Tool
> 
> 
> Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
> Explorer
> 
>  
> 
> 
> OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
> Language)
> 
> 
> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
> 
> VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
> machine
> 
>
> 
> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
> 
> BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulator
> 
> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
> 
> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation software
> 
> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
> 
> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
> recorder
> 
> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
> player
> 
> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
> 
>
> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)
>
> PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
> development
> 
>
> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulator
>
> FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>
> Skype -- VoIP chat 
> messaging
>
> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client 
>
> Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>
> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
> 
> Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
> simulation
> 
> Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>
> 
> WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix 
> 
> *
>
> *
> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
> taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
> 
>
>
>
> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>
>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> Trusty, and why?
>>
>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
>>
>>
> Several of those are already in Ubuntu Studio as default. Would it be
possible for you to update your list with some more information on why they
should be included?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They are tools to ***PUBLISH CONTENT
>
>
>
great!.. and i say, its not part of the core of ubuntustudio.. its just my
"vote' and opinion.. and its not targeted at publishing content.. its
targeted at creating content.. you said you wanted it, i said i didnt.


> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 18:57 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
>> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools*
>>>
>>>
>> and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio "out of the
>> box".. those are not tools that create content..
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Helios Martínez Domínguez
>>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>>
>>> http://helios.vze.com
>>> reverbnation 
>>> +34 657 633 848
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :
>>>
>>>


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
 helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apache -- HTTP Server 
>
> Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 
>
> OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
> Protocol
>
> Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 
>
>
 since these are not related to media production, and are available in
 the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default


>
>
>
> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:
>
> Eagle -- PCB Design 
>>  PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
>> Tool
>>  Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
>> Explorer
>>  OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
>> Language)
>> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
>>  VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
>> machine
>>
>> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
>>  BSNES -- Nintendo SNES 
>> Emulator
>> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics 
>> Application
>> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
>> software
>> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
>> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
>> recorder
>> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
>> player
>> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
>>
>> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment 
>> (IDE)
>>
>>  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
>> development
>>
>> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC 
>> simulator
>>
>>  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>>
>> Skype -- VoIP chat 
>> messaging
>>
>> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client
>>
>> Chromium -- Open-source browser project
>>
>> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
>>  Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
>> simulation
>>  Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>>
>> WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
>> *
>>
>> *
>> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must
>> be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
>> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
>>
>>  Helios Martínez Domínguez
>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>
>> http://helios.vze.com
>> reverbnation 
>> +34 657 633 848
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>>
>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>>> Trusty, and why?
>>>
>>> plugins, ap

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

They are tools to ***PUBLISH CONTENT


Helios Martínez Domínguez
(*Helivs Von Veritas*)

http://helios.vze.com
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2014-02-12 18:57 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :

>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools*
>>
>>
> and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio "out of the
> box".. those are not tools that create content..
>
>
>>
>> Helios Martínez Domínguez
>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>
>> http://helios.vze.com
>> reverbnation 
>> +34 657 633 848
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
>>> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Apache -- HTTP Server 

 Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 

 OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
 Protocol

 Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 


>>> since these are not related to media production, and are available in
>>> the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default
>>>
>>>



 Helios Martínez Domínguez
 (*Helivs Von Veritas*)

 http://helios.vze.com
 reverbnation 
 +34 657 633 848


 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
 helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:

 Eagle -- PCB Design 
>  PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
> Tool
>  Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
> Explorer
>  OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
> Language)
> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
>  VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
> machine
>
> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
>  BSNES -- Nintendo SNES 
> Emulator
> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
> software
> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
> recorder
> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
> player
> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
>
> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment 
> (IDE)
>
>  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
> development
>
> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC 
> simulator
>
>  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>
> Skype -- VoIP chat 
> messaging
>
> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client
>
> Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>
> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
>  Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
> simulation
>  Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>
> WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
> *
>
> *
> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must
> be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
>
>  Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>
> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> Trusty, and why?
>>
>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools*
>
>
and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio "out of the box"..
those are not tools that create content..


>
> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
>> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apache -- HTTP Server 
>>>
>>> Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 
>>>
>>> OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
>>> Protocol
>>>
>>> Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 
>>>
>>>
>> since these are not related to media production, and are available in the
>> repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Helios Martínez Domínguez
>>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>>
>>> http://helios.vze.com
>>> reverbnation 
>>> +34 657 633 848
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
>>> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Eagle -- PCB Design 
  PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
 Tool
  Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
 Explorer
  OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
 Language)
 SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
  VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
 machine

 DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
  BSNES -- Nintendo SNES 
 Emulator
 MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
 Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
 software
 Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
 RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
 recorder
 VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
 player
 LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 

 Eclipse -- Integrated development environment 
 (IDE)

  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
 development

 Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC 
 simulator

  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 

 Skype -- VoIP chat 
 messaging

 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client

 Chromium -- Open-source browser project 

 AbiWord -- Text processing program 
  Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
 simulation
  Xfce -- Desktop Environment 

 WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
 *

 *
 (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
 taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
 *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)

  Helios Martínez Domínguez
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

PureData -- Open source visual programming language 


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2014-02-12 18:52 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :

>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf  > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>> >  wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> > > linux-sampler is GPL with an addition
>> >
>> >
>> > This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into
>> > the official
>> > Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from
>> > the
>> > official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of
>> > this year
>> > I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul
>> > Davis
>> > mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy
>> > of some
>> > major distros.
>> >
>>
>
> with the following facts and assumptions:
>
> jack is *already* included, and its removal is not being proposed
> linux sampler has a state of being that makes it not able to be included
> and that state cannot be address here by this team. either, it gets worked
> in upstream somehow, or "changed" to fit the inclusion terms.
>
> is there anything constructive?.. maybe an audio specific tool?
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in
>> > ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what
>> > could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping
>> > in/out current repo packages?
>>
>> I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there
>> already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least
>> LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the
>> addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC.
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> >  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > linux-sampler is GPL with an addition
> >
> >
> > This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into
> > the official
> > Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from
> > the
> > official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of
> > this year
> > I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul
> > Davis
> > mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy
> > of some
> > major distros.
> >
>

with the following facts and assumptions:

jack is *already* included, and its removal is not being proposed
linux sampler has a state of being that makes it not able to be included
and that state cannot be address here by this team. either, it gets worked
in upstream somehow, or "changed" to fit the inclusion terms.

is there anything constructive?.. maybe an audio specific tool?


> >
> >
> >
> > JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in
> > ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what
> > could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping
> > in/out current repo packages?
>
> I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there
> already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least
> LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the
> addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

*They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools*


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2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein :

>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apache -- HTTP Server 
>>
>> Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 
>>
>> OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
>> Protocol
>>
>> Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 
>>
>>
> since these are not related to media production, and are available in the
> repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default
>
>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> +34 657 633 848
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
>> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Eagle -- PCB Design 
>>>  PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
>>> Tool
>>>  Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
>>> Explorer
>>>  OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
>>> Language)
>>> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
>>>  VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
>>> machine
>>>
>>> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
>>>  BSNES -- Nintendo SNES 
>>> Emulator
>>> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
>>> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
>>> software
>>> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
>>> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
>>> recorder
>>> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
>>> player
>>> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
>>>
>>> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment 
>>> (IDE)
>>>
>>>  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
>>> development
>>>
>>> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC 
>>> simulator
>>>
>>>  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>>>
>>> Skype -- VoIP chat 
>>> messaging
>>>
>>> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client
>>>
>>> Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>>>
>>> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
>>>  Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
>>> simulation
>>>  Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>>>
>>> WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
>>> taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
>>> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
>>>
>>>  Helios Martínez Domínguez
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>>>
>>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
 Trusty, and why?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apache -- HTTP Server 
>
> Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 
>
> OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
> Protocol
>
> Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 
>
>
since these are not related to media production, and are available in the
repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default


>
>
>
> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:
>
> Eagle -- PCB Design 
>>  
>> PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
>> Tool
>> 
>> 
>> Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
>> Explorer
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French 
>> Language)
>> 
>> 
>> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
>>  
>> VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
>> machine
>> 
>>
>> 
>> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
>>  
>> BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulator
>> 
>> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
>> 
>> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
>> software
>> 
>> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
>> 
>> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
>> recorder
>> 
>> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
>> player
>> 
>> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
>> 
>>
>> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)
>>
>>  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
>> development
>> 
>>
>> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulator
>>
>>  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>>
>> Skype -- VoIP chat 
>> messaging
>>
>> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client
>>
>> Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>>
>> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
>>  
>> Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
>> simulation
>> 
>> Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>>
>> 
>> WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
>> 
>> *
>>
>> *
>> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
>> taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
>> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Helios Martínez Domínguez
>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>
>> http://helios.vze.com
>> reverbnation 
>> +34 657 633 848
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>>
>>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>>> Trusty, and why?
>>>
>>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

EXCLUDE***

MySQL -- Popular open-source
database


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2014-02-12 18:41 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:

> Apache -- HTTP Server 
>
> Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 
>
> OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access 
> Protocol
>
> Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 
>
>
>
>
> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
> helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:
>
> Eagle -- PCB Design 
>>  ​
>> PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout 
>> Tool
>> ​
>> ​
>> ​Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
>> Explorer
>> ​
>>  ​
>> ​
>> ​​
>> OptGe​​o -- Optics Simulator (French 
>> Language)
>> ​
>> ​
>> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
>>  ​
>> VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
>> machine
>> ​​
>>
>> ​​​
>> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
>>  ​​
>> BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulator
>> ​
>> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
>> ​
>> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation 
>> software
>> ​
>> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
>> ​
>> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
>> recorder
>> ​
>> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
>> player
>> ​
>> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
>> ​
>>
>> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)
>>
>>  PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
>> development
>> ​
>>
>> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulator
>>
>>  FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>>
>> Skype -- VoIP chat 
>> messaging
>>
>> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client
>>
>> ​Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>>
>> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
>>  ​​
>> Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
>> simulation
>> ​
>> Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>>
>> ​
>> ​WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix
>> ​
>> *
>>
>> *
>> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
>> taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
>> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
>> ​
>>
>> ​
>> ​
>> ​
>> Helios Martínez Domínguez
>> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>>
>> http://helios.vze.com
>> reverbnation 
>> +34 657 633 848
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>>
>>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>>> Trusty, and why?
>>>
>>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list
>>> ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

Apache -- HTTP Server 

Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web 

OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access
Protocol

Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server 




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2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez <
helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com>:

> Eagle -- PCB Design 
> ​
> PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Tool
> ​
> ​
> ​Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation 
> Explorer
> ​
>  ​
> ​
> ​​
> OptGe​​o -- Optics Simulator (French 
> Language)
> ​
> ​
> SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
> ​
> VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual 
> machine
> ​​
>
> ​​​
> DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
> ​​
> BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulator
> ​
> MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application
> ​
> Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation software
> ​
> Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
> ​
> RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session 
> recorder
> ​
> VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia 
> player
> ​
> LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
> ​
>
> Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)
>
> PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers 
> development
> ​
>
> Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulator
>
> FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 
>
> Skype -- VoIP chat 
> messaging
>
> IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client 
>
> ​Chromium -- Open-source browser project 
>
> AbiWord -- Text processing program 
> ​​
> Celestia -- Real-time 3D space 
> simulation
> ​
> Xfce -- Desktop Environment 
>
> ​
> ​WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix 
> ​
> *
>
> *
> (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
> taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
> *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
> ​
>
> ​
> ​
> ​
> Helios Martínez Domínguez
> (*Helivs Von Veritas*)
>
> http://helios.vze.com
> reverbnation 
> +34 657 633 848
>
>
> 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :
>
>> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> Trusty, and why?
>>
>> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
>>
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>> ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > linux-sampler is GPL with an addition
> 
> 
> This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into
> the official
> Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from
> the
> official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of
> this year
> I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul
> Davis
> mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy
> of some
> major distros.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in
> ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what
> could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping
> in/out current repo packages?

I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there
already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least
LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the
addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[helios martinez dominguez]

Eagle -- PCB Design 
​
PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Tool
​
​
​Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation
Explorer
​
​
​
​​
OptGe​​o -- Optics Simulator (French
Language)
​
​
SagCad -- CAD/CAM 
​
VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machine
​​

​​​
DosBox -- DOS Emulator 
​​
BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulator
​
MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application 
​
Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation software
​
Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer 
​
RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session
recorder
​
VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia
player
​
LMMS -- Digital audio workstation 
​

Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)

PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers
development
​

Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulator

FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler 

Skype -- VoIP chat
messaging

IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client 

​Chromium -- Open-source browser project 

AbiWord -- Text processing program 
​​
Celestia -- Real-time 3D space
simulation
​
Xfce -- Desktop Environment 

​
​WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix 
​
*

*
(*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be
taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution,
*specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*)
​

​
​
​
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http://helios.vze.com
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2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa :

> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> Trusty, and why?
>
> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > linux-sampler is GPL with an addition
>
> This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official
> Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the
> official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year
> I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis
> mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some
> major distros.
>
>
JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio.
its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed
about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo
packages?



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> linux-sampler is GPL with an addition

This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official
Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the
official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year
I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis
mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some
major distros.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

As holstein says, we only include packages from the repos. If someone
wants to include linux-sampler, one can package it and have it uploaded
in Debian. Same goes for other applications.

linux-sampler is GPL with an addition making it non free. Should not be
a problem getting it into the Debian non-free repo. Someone just needs
to make that happen.
Same goes for the kxstudio applications. I know falktx has been on it at
some point, but never gone through with it.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Marco BRUNO
wrote:

> A very interesting tools is "*CADENCE*" used in kxstudio. unlike qtjack in
> my opinion is much more intuitive.
> Another software that we use for our web radio *IDJC *is present (not in
> the latest version) in the ubuntu repos.
>  Another need that comes to mind is a software for the management of *tags
> *in media files. An example is *kid3 *but there will be many more.
> I maintain a web radio Creative Commons and the proper handling of tags is
> crucial.
>
> Finally, it would be nice to have a *voip client *that works with *jackd *
> (without pulseaudio).
> Ciao!!
>
>
14.04 will release in april. ideally, these will be packages that are
already in the default repos. anything that is currently in could be
suggested to be removed, and anything that is currently in the default
ubuntu repositories could be suggested for inclusion.. anything more
complex than that, such as having new, non-repo package introduced would
work better by including them upstream into debian and going from there.
after getting them into debian, they sync down to ubuntu, and then we talk
about including them, as far as licensing and other issues.

the pulse to JACK bridging technology is really what is in place to address
a JACK friendly voip client.. JACK is open, and *any* voip software
developers are always welcome to include support for it. i have used mumble
which was (at that time) supporting JACK thanks to falk from the KX team.
(falk *is* the KX studio team, BTW)... cheers!


>
> 2014-02-12 16:22 GMT+01:00 Ralf Mardorf :
>
> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> > > Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
>> > > Trusty, and why?
>> > >
>> > > plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
>> >
>> > How strict is the license policy?
>> >
>> > http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html
>>
>> PS: I guess to answer the "why" isn't needed.
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Marco BRUNO]

A very interesting tools is "*CADENCE*" used in kxstudio. unlike qtjack in
my opinion is much more intuitive.
Another software that we use for our web radio *IDJC *is present (not in
the latest version) in the ubuntu repos.
Another need that comes to mind is a software for the management of *tags *in
media files. An example is *kid3 *but there will be many more.
I maintain a web radio Creative Commons and the proper handling of tags is
crucial.

Finally, it would be nice to have a *voip client *that works with *jackd *(
without pulseaudio).
Ciao!!


2014-02-12 16:22 GMT+01:00 Ralf Mardorf :

> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > > Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> > > Trusty, and why?
> > >
> > > plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
> >
> > How strict is the license policy?
> >
> > http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html
>
> PS: I guess to answer the "why" isn't needed.
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> > Trusty, and why?
> > 
> > plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...
> 
> How strict is the license policy?
> 
> http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html

PS: I guess to answer the "why" isn't needed.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
> Trusty, and why?
> 
> plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...

How strict is the license policy?

http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html




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[ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio
Trusty, and why?

plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc...

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