Re: [ubuntu-uk] K/Ubuntu?

[Tez]

Michael Wood wrote:
> Tez wrote:
>   
>> Stephen Garton wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Now, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering why the
>>> signature appended to the messages on the list link to the kubuntu
>>> wiki instead of the ubuntu one?:
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
 
   
 
>>> Looking at the page, it seems to be identical to the one on at
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ just with a blue theme.
>>>
>>> Just wondering the reasons really.
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>> This has also been discussed on the kubuntu-users mailing list.
>> wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are the same,
>> wiki.kubuntu.org/anything is the same as wiki.ubuntu.com/anthing
>> I don't know the reason why, but there is no difference between the two
>> wiki sites.
>> And about the blue theme, you can have that theme on the ubuntu wiki
>> too. You just change it in the user preferences.
>>
>> Tez
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
> If you look who the list maintainer is you'll find out why it's pointing 
> to the kubuntu domain.
>   
I didn't necessarily mean the reason why it says kubuntu.org on the
list, I meant why are the kubuntu and ubuntu wiki sites just mirrors of
each other.
But I don't really want to get in to a who pros/cons argument about it,
bin there, done that :p
The main point of the argument, IMO, is that it would be nice if there
was one place to go to find kubuntu specific documentation on the wiki.
Whether that's an another domain (wiki.kubuntu.org), or just under
wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/

> It should really be ubuntu.com imo but it doesn't really matter, for 
> someone to find us they will have good enough understanding of the 
> ubuntu project
>
>   
Agreed :p

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008 (??)

[Dean Sas]

Gargoyle wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2006, at 20:33, Pat wrote:
> 
>> On 14/12/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008
>> ...
>>> I note Linus' response which I find a bit reassuring, but I do hope
>>> the more 'common' end of common sense can prevail, particularly in  
>>> ubuntu!

Ben Collins (Ubuntu kernel maintainer) posted in that thread saying he 
would resist the change too. Also the guy who wrote the patch backed 
down, I think we're safe for now.


> Me too, that's quite a tough one but I think I am favouring  
> Linus' (and Ubuntu's) way of looking at it. Some parts of the system  
> are free and open (GPL) because people put in the time and effort to  
> write and maintain those parts. Others are not free because companies  
> have spent millions developing XYZ and they want to earn some cash back!

Redhat have spent millions developing XYZ, as have IBM and Sun and 
probably others. They still release free and open code...

> Currently I can install Ubuntu using the default settings, and get  
> only software that comes under GPL. Or, I can enable universe and  
> multiverse and get software that does not quite fit that mould...  
> It's my choice.

Universe only contains Free Software. Restricted and Multiverse are the 
non-free repos.

> Who is  
> going to install an operating system onto their machine if it can't  
> even drive a gfx card to it's full potential?

I do on all my machines, I'd guess that many others who simply don't 
need the full potential do the same.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kernel upgrade

[Daniel Pittman]

Keith Bowerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On booting up Edgy a couple of hours ago I was advised that there were
> 10 updates available to me, mainly upgrading the kernel.  I dutifully
> downloaded them and following the usual instructions rebooted the
> machine, except that I couldn't, the loader got no further than
> 'loading kernel' and then just stalled.  I had no choice but to switch
> of the computer (which is a Linux only machine, with various different
> distributions).  On switching back on, my computer made different from
> normal beeps, and wouldn't even load the bios, in effect leaving me
> with a dead computer as I can't now boot into the bios.
>
> Can anyone suggest what's going on and, better still, how to fix it?

This is a hardware or firmware problem, and likely only coincidental to
the kernel update.  When was the last time before that you booted the
machine?

Anyway, as pointed out you may have luck disconnecting all power cables
for a few minutes[1].  That will allow all the stored charge to
dissipate and force the system to reset.

In most cases that will resolve the fault and allow you to continue.


If that fails consult your motherboard manuals for a CMOS reset jumper
and try that.  If that doesn't help you have, sadly, a need to replace
some faulty hardware component of yours system.


The Linux kernel cannot, normally, cause any damage that would prevent
you getting as far as the BIOS.  Anything that it /could/ do will
definitely be reset by running the power completely down.

Regards,
Daniel

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[1]  Hitting the power button with them unplugged can help speed this
 process by draining the capacitors faster.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] K/Ubuntu?

[Michael Wood]

Tez wrote:
> Stephen Garton wrote:
>   
>> Now, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering why the
>> signature appended to the messages on the list link to the kubuntu
>> wiki instead of the ubuntu one?:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>>> 
>>>   
>> Looking at the page, it seems to be identical to the one on at
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ just with a blue theme.
>>
>> Just wondering the reasons really.
>>   
>> 
> This has also been discussed on the kubuntu-users mailing list.
> wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are the same,
> wiki.kubuntu.org/anything is the same as wiki.ubuntu.com/anthing
> I don't know the reason why, but there is no difference between the two
> wiki sites.
> And about the blue theme, you can have that theme on the ubuntu wiki
> too. You just change it in the user preferences.
>
> Tez
>
>
>   
If you look who the list maintainer is you'll find out why it's pointing 
to the kubuntu domain.

It should really be ubuntu.com imo but it doesn't really matter, for 
someone to find us they will have good enough understanding of the 
ubuntu project

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kernel upgrade

[Michael Wood]

Keith Bowerman wrote:
> On booting up Edgy a couple of hours ago I was advised that there were
> 10 updates available to me, mainly upgrading the kernel.  I dutifully
> downloaded them and following the usual instructions rebooted the
> machine, except that I couldn't, the loader got no further than
> 'loading kernel' and then just stalled.  I had no choice but to switch
> of the computer (which is a Linux only machine, with various different
> distributions).  On switching back on, my computer made different from
> normal beeps, and wouldn't even load the bios, in effect leaving me
> with a dead computer as I can't now boot into the bios.
>
> Can anyone suggest what's going on and, better still, how to fix it?
>
> Keith.
>
>
>   
If it's not getting as far as the bios then it isn't a kernel issue, as 
it wouldn't have even initiated the hard disk at that stage.

likelihood is that you've not shut down your pc in a while or often ? 
and it's isn't liking the cold start.

like Leon said, try actually disconnecting it from the power for a bit 
and let it discharge then try again.

Reboots do generally put small strain on the electronics so if you're 
still having problems you might consider removing bits of hardware and 
testing them to see if they're causing a problem - this includes the 
motherboard battery.

sometimes computer hardware has a mind of it's own and won't work one 
day and will work another. I've had my PC that i built decide it doesn't 
want to boot up at all, i spent ages trying to find the problem and 
couldn't find it. Then when I was about to decide some major component 
was broken It booted up fine... so try reverse sociology :)

Good luck.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008 (??)

[Pat]

On 14/12/06, Gargoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 14 Dec 2006, at 20:33, Pat wrote:

> On 14/12/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008
> ...
>>
>> I note Linus' response which I find a bit reassuring, but I do hope
>> the more 'common' end of common sense can prevail, particularly in
>> ubuntu!
>> --
>>
>
> I'm in two minds about this issue.
>
> ... Snip ...
>

Me too, that's quite a tough one but I think I am favouring
Linus' (and Ubuntu's) way of looking at it. Some parts of the system
are free and open (GPL) because people put in the time and effort to
write and maintain those parts. Others are not free because companies
have spent millions developing XYZ and they want to earn some cash back!

Currently I can install Ubuntu using the default settings, and get
only software that comes under GPL. Or, I can enable universe and
multiverse and get software that does not quite fit that mould...
It's my choice.


Absolutely - I agree 100%.

I wish I was principled enough to not enable the non-free repos, but I like
my A/V stuff...

I like the approach that we can choose whether or not to allow the non-free
onto our systems with just a couple of clicks. This is why I replaced my
Mandrake systems with Ubuntu when Warty was released.

I'm just glad that there are enough Free Software zealots around to make a
fuss about the lapses into closed-source mediocrity.

What we have to remember, as far as I can see it, is that, without the "many
eyes" approach, without the amateur coders who take one project and improve
it, and pass it on to the next guy to improve it to fit his requirements, we
lose what made GNU & Linux such a powerful force.

That is what the proprietary software corporations cannot compete with.



I can also see there is a potential problem on the legal side of
things for companies like SUSE (Novell), since it could possibly
leave them short if they ever had to uphold their licence in a legal
case. However, on the other hand if the likes if ATI/nVidia do not
release GPL versions of their drivers then linux will fail!


I am still waiting for a particularly irritating bug in the nvidia
driversto be
fixed. It doesn't affect many people, relatively, so I doubt it ever
will.

I bet it would have been fixed already, if it had been an Xorg driver -
might even have had a go myself.

My point is that binary modules are a compromise that most of us, including
me, are prepared to make.

If GNU/Linux becomes dependent on closed source, then it *will* have failed
- and it won't become that way over night, it will be by a process of
incremental losses.



Who is going to install an operating system onto their machine if it can't
even drive a gfx card to it's full potential?


The number of users/customers isn't the measure of excellence.:-)

GNU/Linux doesn't exist to support nvidia/ATI etc. it is supposed to be the
other way around!

The hardware manufacturers make money from sales of hardware to Free
Software users, but Free Software developers don't make money from
supporting nvidia/ATI etc. Accepting the closed-source drivers into Linux
removes the pressure on the hardware companies to provide "Free" software.

all the best,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Tony Arnold]

Alan,

Alan Pope wrote:

> No, you ssh to her, forwarding port 5900 from your desktop to hers. Then
> you use rdesktop to view localhost:5900 and you get her desktop because
> ssh forwards those packets down the tunnel to her machine. Works well, I
> do this when I want to administer my brothers computer.

This is brilliant as I've been wondering how best to do this for a
while! Trying it out locally on my own machine, I have to use vncviewer
rather than rdesktop, but I got a window on my desktop showing my
desktop! It was very confusing!

>> One of my reasons for putting Linux on this machine rather than Windows,
>> was as she had no experience what so ever it didn't matter what system I
>> gave her, and as Linux is easier to administer remotely,  I went for that.
>>
> 
> I came to the same conclusion when making the computer for my brother.

Great minds and all that:-)

Thanks for you help.

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 22:36 +, Tony Arnold wrote:
> > Alternatively ssh to her machine and setup a tunnel with -L and then get
> > her to enable remote desktop and use rdesktop at your end to view her
> > desktop via the ssh tunnel. Then run the update manager.
> 
> Don't I get my own desktop if I do that rather than hers? But I see what
> you are saying.
> 

No, you ssh to her, forwarding port 5900 from your desktop to hers. Then
you use rdesktop to view localhost:5900 and you get her desktop because
ssh forwards those packets down the tunnel to her machine. Works well, I
do this when I want to administer my brothers computer.

> One of my reasons for putting Linux on this machine rather than Windows,
> was as she had no experience what so ever it didn't matter what system I
> gave her, and as Linux is easier to administer remotely,  I went for that.
> 

I came to the same conclusion when making the computer for my brother.

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008 (??)

[Gargoyle]

On 14 Dec 2006, at 20:33, Pat wrote:

> On 14/12/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008
> ...
>>
>> I note Linus' response which I find a bit reassuring, but I do hope
>> the more 'common' end of common sense can prevail, particularly in  
>> ubuntu!
>> --
>>
>
> I'm in two minds about this issue.
>
> ... Snip ...
>

Me too, that's quite a tough one but I think I am favouring  
Linus' (and Ubuntu's) way of looking at it. Some parts of the system  
are free and open (GPL) because people put in the time and effort to  
write and maintain those parts. Others are not free because companies  
have spent millions developing XYZ and they want to earn some cash back!

Currently I can install Ubuntu using the default settings, and get  
only software that comes under GPL. Or, I can enable universe and  
multiverse and get software that does not quite fit that mould...  
It's my choice.

I can also see there is a potential problem on the legal side of  
things for companies like SUSE (Novell), since it could possibly  
leave them short if they ever had to uphold their licence in a legal  
case. However, on the other hand if the likes if ATI/nVidia do not  
release GPL versions of their drivers then linux will fail! Who is  
going to install an operating system onto their machine if it can't  
even drive a gfx card to it's full potential?

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(aka. Gargoyle)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Tony Arnold]

Alan,

Alan Pope wrote:

> Firstly, to Tony, why do you want to upgrade a machine 300 miles away.
> Assuming it's on Dapper, what is there in Edgy that your mum has a
> burning need for?

It's not desparate right now, but it certainly could become so in the
future, so I was making a general enquiry about the best way to do it if
I had to.

> You not going to see her at xmas? :)

I may be! In which case I can do any maintenance once I am there.

> If you really need to upgrade the machine then I would either ssh into
> it using -X to enable X forwarding and run update manager which would
> then make it appear on your desktop. I think you need to enable x
> forwarding on her machine first in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.

That is an option I had considered.

> Alternatively ssh to her machine and setup a tunnel with -L and then get
> her to enable remote desktop and use rdesktop at your end to view her
> desktop via the ssh tunnel. Then run the update manager.

Don't I get my own desktop if I do that rather than hers? But I see what
you are saying.

> Obviously whichever method you use it could still break, and break badly
> so you can't get back in. If your mum is a novice user she likely won't
> be able to fix it, and the resultant lengthy phone conversation might be
> more painful than just going home :)

My mum is a complete novice to computers! She had never even used a
mouse when I set this up and it took her a while to get the hang of it.
My brother has just taught her how to double-click! She does nothing but
browse the WEB and use e-mail, but she learns pretty quick so I can see
her usage expanding. Oh and she likes the games too!

One of my reasons for putting Linux on this machine rather than Windows,
was as she had no experience what so ever it didn't matter what system I
gave her, and as Linux is easier to administer remotely,  I went for that.

Trying to talk her through fixing some problem when I may not even be
sure what the problem is would certainly be lengthy and painful!

> I speak from experience because my brothers computer is running dapper,
> there's no way I would remotely upgrade it and potentially leave him
> with a broken PC.

My mum is running Dapper too. Maybe I will leave it like that,
especially as it will continue to get security updates for 3 years!

> Just my 2p.

If you've saved me a 600 mile round trip, it's worth more than that!
Many thanks.

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 07:01 +, tim wrote:
> use apt-get in this case.
> 

Er, no, don't do that. Quoting [0] on the subject of using apt-get

"Please note - this method is much less reliable. If you use this
method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages
being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectantly, etc. Using
Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic."


> >> $ gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
> >>

Or that. You *will* end up on feisty if you do that right now.

> >> It certainly worked for me.
> > 

20:41 < popey> !worksforme
20:41 < ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you
should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The
latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for
stability.

> > I've never used the above, but how can I do the same thing remotely with
> > just an ssh terminal connection? I look after a machine that is almost
> > 300 miles away!
> >

Firstly, to Tony, why do you want to upgrade a machine 300 miles away.
Assuming it's on Dapper, what is there in Edgy that your mum has a
burning need for?

You not going to see her at xmas? :)

If you really need to upgrade the machine then I would either ssh into
it using -X to enable X forwarding and run update manager which would
then make it appear on your desktop. I think you need to enable x
forwarding on her machine first in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.

Alternatively ssh to her machine and setup a tunnel with -L and then get
her to enable remote desktop and use rdesktop at your end to view her
desktop via the ssh tunnel. Then run the update manager.

Obviously whichever method you use it could still break, and break badly
so you can't get back in. If your mum is a novice user she likely won't
be able to fix it, and the resultant lengthy phone conversation might be
more painful than just going home :)

I speak from experience because my brothers computer is running dapper,
there's no way I would remotely upgrade it and potentially leave him
with a broken PC.

Just my 2p.

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008 (??)

[Pat]

On 14/12/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008
...
>
> I note Linus' response which I find a bit reassuring, but I do hope
> the more 'common' end of common sense can prevail, particularly in ubuntu!
> --
>

I'm in two minds about this issue.

For one point, I think that the GPL is the strength of Linux. Without
it, we would never be where we are now - and it worries me about how,
every year, more and more of my system becomes closed-source.

Originally it was just the nvidia/ATI drivers. Then audio & video codecs.

Sun saw sense and have (or will be) GPLing Java.

Then there's ndiswrapper as a means of running binary drivers for
wireless networking hardware.

Taken to its extreme, I don't want to end up with a closed source OS.

I like to tinker, dammit! :-)

On the other hand, there's the whole Freedom aspect to consider.

There's no way that they can prevent Closed Source elements being
included, because we could just remove the patch that enforced GPL
only patches.

This is a freedom that you don't get with closed source stuff of course!

As a real-life user myself, I wouldn't be too upset if they managed to
enforce GPL only. I've had a lot of benefit from other people's work
that they GPLed in good faith. I would like to continue to do so.

When organisations manage to circumvent the "spirit" of the GPL and
include closed source into our system they sell-out everyone who
contributed openly.

I'm afraid that I side a lot more with RMS than Linus over GPL issues.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Fiesty ??

[Alan Pope]

On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 13:41 +, Michael Wood wrote:
> Ted Wager wrote:
> > tim matthews wrote:
> >   
> >> I don't think you can update from dapper to Feisty, you can only update 
> >> from edgy to feisty (so I think).
> >> 
> I'm pretty sure it's possible to jump a release for upgrading, just make 
> sure you use the upgrade manager. The repositories will be the same 
> addresses but changing dapper to feisty

You can, but it isn't recommended.  Quoting [0] "Skipping versions is
not advised."

> >> and what's the point of using feisty? at this point, feisty should only 
> >> be used by developpers who can fix things when they go wrong.
> >>
> >> 
> I'm running feisty but i'm not a developer, developers only find out the 
> things they need to fix if people test the release and report the bugs.

Ditto. I have feisty on my main desktop, but I am somewhat more careful
about how I manage it - picking and choosing what I upgrade. I am not
suggesting others do this, it's just what I do.

I also have numerous Virtual machines running all the previous versions
which I user for screencasting [1], but also for testing stuff. For
example when people ask questions in the support tracker [2] I sometimes
spark up a VM running an older release to make sure what I am telling
someone is correct.

Cheers,
Al.

[0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[1] http://quickones.org/
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kernel upgrade

[baza]

On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 19:34 +, Keith Bowerman wrote:
> On booting up Edgy a couple of hours ago I was advised that there were
> 10 updates available to me, mainly upgrading the kernel.  I dutifully
> downloaded them and following the usual instructions rebooted the
> machine, except that I couldn't, the loader got no further than
> 'loading kernel' and then just stalled.  I had no choice but to switch
> of the computer (which is a Linux only machine, with various different
> distributions).  On switching back on, my computer made different from
> normal beeps, and wouldn't even load the bios, in effect leaving me
> with a dead computer as I can't now boot into the bios.
> 

OK, I've just tried this update on my 'testing' laptop, a Dell Inspiron 2200. 
It all rebooted without issues here
not very helpful in one way, I can't track down your problem amd help
you with it. But unless others report it, it looks like the problem is
at your end.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kernel upgrade

[Leon Barker]

On 14/12/06, Keith Bowerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>n switching back on, my computer made different from
> normal beeps, and wouldn't even load the bios, in effect leaving me
> with a dead computer as I can't now boot into the bios.

I experienced something similar - (I think). What I did was disconnect
the power for 2 minutes, and it booted ok afterwards.

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[ubuntu-uk] Kernel upgrade

[Keith Bowerman]

On booting up Edgy a couple of hours ago I was advised that there were
10 updates available to me, mainly upgrading the kernel.  I dutifully
downloaded them and following the usual instructions rebooted the
machine, except that I couldn't, the loader got no further than
'loading kernel' and then just stalled.  I had no choice but to switch
of the computer (which is a Linux only machine, with various different
distributions).  On switching back on, my computer made different from
normal beeps, and wouldn't even load the bios, in effect leaving me
with a dead computer as I can't now boot into the bios.

Can anyone suggest what's going on and, better still, how to fix it?

Keith.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] K/Ubuntu?

[Tez]

Stephen Garton wrote:
> Now, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering why the
> signature appended to the messages on the list link to the kubuntu
> wiki instead of the ubuntu one?:
>
>   
>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>> 
>
> Looking at the page, it seems to be identical to the one on at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ just with a blue theme.
>
> Just wondering the reasons really.
>   
This has also been discussed on the kubuntu-users mailing list.
wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are the same,
wiki.kubuntu.org/anything is the same as wiki.ubuntu.com/anthing
I don't know the reason why, but there is no difference between the two
wiki sites.
And about the blue theme, you can have that theme on the ubuntu wiki
too. You just change it in the user preferences.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Fiesty ??

[Michael Wood]

Ted Wager wrote:
> tim matthews wrote:
>   
>> I don't think you can update from dapper to Feisty, you can only update from 
>> edgy to feisty (so I think).
>> 
I'm pretty sure it's possible to jump a release for upgrading, just make 
sure you use the upgrade manager. The repositories will be the same 
addresses but changing dapper to feisty
>> and what's the point of using feisty? at this point, feisty should only 
>> be used by developpers who can fix things when they go wrong.
>>
>> 
I'm running feisty but i'm not a developer, developers only find out the 
things they need to fix if people test the release and report the bugs.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Fiesty ??

[Ted Wager]

tim matthews wrote:
> I don't think you can update from dapper to Feisty, you can only update 
> from edgy to feisty (so I think).
>
> and what's the point of using feisty? at this point, feisty should only 
> be used by developpers who can fix things when they go wrong.
>
> Ted Wager wrote:
>   
>> I have a small partition that I used for Ubuntu testing..It is now up to
>> dapper..
>> Anyone tried upgrading Dapper to Fiesty and if so how did it go and
>> what are the repo addresses...I am not particularly bothered if it fails
>> as I can always install from cd but would like to give the upgrade a whirl
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>   
 I am only doing it out of interest..I know I can upgrade to Edgy but
just wanted to know if the Feisty upgrade was possible after that

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[ubuntu-uk] K/Ubuntu?

[Stephen Garton]

Now, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering why the
signature appended to the messages on the list link to the kubuntu
wiki instead of the ubuntu one?:

>ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Looking at the page, it seems to be identical to the one on at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ just with a blue theme.

Just wondering the reasons really.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Fiesty ??

[tim matthews]

I don't think you can update from dapper to Feisty, you can only update 
from edgy to feisty (so I think).

and what's the point of using feisty? at this point, feisty should only 
be used by developpers who can fix things when they go wrong.

Ted Wager wrote:
> I have a small partition that I used for Ubuntu testing..It is now up to
> dapper..
> Anyone tried upgrading Dapper to Fiesty and if so how did it go and
> what are the repo addresses...I am not particularly bothered if it fails
> as I can always install from cd but would like to give the upgrade a whirl
>
>   

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[ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Fiesty ??

[Ted Wager]

I have a small partition that I used for Ubuntu testing..It is now up to
dapper..
Anyone tried upgrading Dapper to Fiesty and if so how did it go and
what are the repo addresses...I am not particularly bothered if it fails
as I can always install from cd but would like to give the upgrade a whirl

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Adam Funk]

On 2006-12-14, chombee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Upgrade using the graphical update manager, +not+ apt-get. It is not
> equivalent anymore, sadly.

What about aptitude?

> Also there are some packages it is worth removing before an upgrade (and
> reinstalling after) such as binary drivers from nvidia or ati, or any
> third party stuff you have installed.

Interesting.  That might explain some of the rough edges I hit during
my last upgrade.


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[ubuntu-uk] Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008 (??)

[alan c]

Non-GPL Linux Kernel Modules Banned Starting January 2008
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/16720/Non-GPL-Linux-Kernel-Modules-Banned-Starting-January-2008/

I am not technically into any of the details, and have never even 
compiled a kernel etc, or much at all, but - this sounds a bit like 
extremism which might have a significant effect on real life users who 
want things to 'just work'.

I note Linus' response which I find a bit reassuring, but I do hope 
the more 'common' end of common sense can prevail, particularly in ubuntu!
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[chombee]

Upgrade using the graphical update manager, +not+ apt-get. It is not
equivalent anymore, sadly.

Also there are some packages it is worth removing before an upgrade (and
reinstalling after) such as binary drivers from nvidia or ati, or any
third party stuff you have installed.

Usually the worst thing that can happen is that after upgrade your
graphical system doesn't start, in which case you must know the magical
words to reconfigure it:

sudo dpgk reconfigure xserver-xorg

On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 13:39 +, norman wrote:
> I am about to take the plunge and move on from 6.06 to 6.10. Has anyone
> any pearly words of wisdom that they would like to cast before me
> please?
> 
> Norman
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade

[Ashley Hooper]

Tony wrote:

> I wonder if there is an approach whereby I clone the root logical volume
> and somehow upgrade the clone (without booting into it, that is). That
> way the system should always at least reboot into the original system?

Although I'm not sure if you can upgrade an installation without booting into
it, you certainly can clone one partition to another if you have the disk
space.  I did this just the other day when I wanted to install Feisty to a
spare partition on my Edgy laptop - which has no CD-ROM drive (and I couldn't
be bothered doing a netboot install!).  My preferred way of doing it is to
first copy the files, and then install GRUB to the partition and then chain it
from the MBR GRUB, so that the new root partition can auto-update its list of
kernels without fighting with GRUB in the main install.

After you've sorted GRUB to your preference, you only have to sort out
/etc/fstab and update the device name of the root partition to be the new
partition.

And remember if you use 'ssh -X servername' you *can* run X applications
(albeit a little slower) remotely.  Not sure if I'd risk anything like running
gparted over the Internet though - if your connection dropped I think gparted
might just stop with the operation half-completed.

Of course for CLI stuff, you could run GNU screen just in case you were to lose
connection in the middle of a potentially destructive operation.

Ash

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