Re: [ubuntu-uk] memory lane, was: Please can someone look at this and try to help

2007-11-14 Thread Andrew Turner
 I most certainly do. I was in Microland on the day they opened and on
 the day they closed. On the opening day I bought Jetpac and on the
 closing day I picked up a few bits for my Amiga - a genlock, some video
 editing software which they threw in for free and a BBC BASIC package
 iirc. I remember watching Stuart sitting there smoking away whilst
 playing with an Amiga and thinking that I really must get one when I
 could afford it. I didn't buy my Amiga from them, that was Athene down
 in Gosport, but I did get my GVP SCSI HD card with memory upgrade and a
 Workbench 2.05 upgrade from there. Amazingly they were the best prices I
 could find. One of the main staff there (other than Stuart and Bob) is
 now working at PC World, and when I spoke to him a while back he said
 that Stuart and Bob had recently moved from Cornwall to France. I still
 regret not splashing out on the Memotech MTX computer they had when they
 were closing down. Unfortunately I decided to think about it and when I
 went back it had gone :(

 The Baytree Bookshop was another favourite haunt of mine. I remember see
 the Sam Coupe there and thinking it was interesting. I seem to remember
 getting a dot matrix printer from them once, and I bought a copy of The
 Hobbit for my Spectrum there too. The bookshop is still there, but not
 the computer section sadly.

 I have rather too many retro computers now, and several BBC Micros,
 including one with the trackball, SCSI interface and Philips LVD player,
 along with the BBC Doomsday project disks.

 I take it you were local to Waterlooville back then. I was at Crookhorn
 when Microland opened, and working at IBM iirc when the closed. Still
 here, as you clearly noted :)

Wow, small world etc! I assume you mean Crookhorn Comprehensive School - I
was there from, er, 1984 til 1988, then at South Downs College. I now live
in Shropshire. What year did Microland open/close?

I used to get my BBC and Amiga software there, too. I remember buying
Elite from Microland, Revs from the Baytree, and also queuing up at
Microland on the day of release for Elite II. I was so excited, shame it
never quite lived up to expectations.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] memory lane, was: Please can someone look at this and try to help

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Paul Tansom wrote:
 ** Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-12 20:04]:
 James Grabham wrote:
 You're all really old, I cant remember before my familys 486 with DOS
 6.22 and win 3.11 for workgroups  (I was born in 1992!!) lol  I know
 my Mum had a computer before that, but I cant remember it - I found
 its dot matrix printer in the loft a while ago though.
   
 Ahh, if it came with a Dot Matrix printer it would be an Amstrad PCW.  
 Ahh, those were the days.  I loved Amstrad (Locomotive) Logo on CPM.
 ** end quote [Rob Beard]
 
 I took a lot of stick when the Amstrad CPC464 came out and I bought one
 to replace my Spectrum. I started with a ZX81, then Spectrum, but the
 Amstrad really got me into using computers seriously.

I had an Amstrad CPC464 for a while too.  After my Atari died we got 
another one and that died too.  This was in less than a year.  We then 
got a Spectrum +3 for a week but my dad thought the quality was rubbish 
(not sure what he was expecting!) and then he got a CPC464 with green 
screen monitor.  That's what got me into programming.  We then upgraded 
to a CPC664 which was luxury loading games off disc.  Still with a green 
screen monitor though :-(

 Before that it was
 just games and programming. I used the Amstrad with a ROM box loaded
 with wonderful software from Arnor to run a sailing club database and
 print off labels - much easier than a hand bander thing we had been
 using. I upgraded to a CPC6128 to get me through my degree with the aid
 of CP/M with Logo, Supercalc and Borland Turbo Pascal (helpfully copied
 onto 3 disks for my be a local computer store). I also got some work
 done on my car in return for helping out a mechanic friend with his PCW.

That sounds cool.  I remember seeing adverts for ROM boxes but didn't 
understand that much about them at the time and couldn't afford them.  I 
vaguely remember the old Datel Electronics adverts for things like 256K 
memory upgrades and 'silicon discs'.

 Protext (all hail the best word processor ever written) followed me onto
 my Amiga (mouse, GUI, eeek!) and I used that and DPaint to produce a
 'brochure' for the IBM lab I was working in at the time. They wanted to
 do one, but when they talked to the in marketing department and looked
 into in house publishing decided it couldn't be done economically. I
 came in the following day with a printout from my Amiga and costings
 from a local printers that changed their minds. What did IBM know about
 getting work done on computers?!
 
 Then this horrible x86 architecture with DOS and Windows started getting
 popular and took all the fun out of computers. Praise be to Linux,
 without which I would have given up on computers long ago.
 

:-)

I'd say PC's started getting a bit boring with the advent of Plug  
Play.  Then everyone was buying Packard Bell PCs from PC World and 
becoming 'experts' over night.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Ciaran Mooney
Damn you Daniel! You beat me too it!

Ciarán

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel Lamb
Why not buy an asus laptop with linux on it and introduce her to linux
games, there are a number of education ones for linux also.

Or if you do want to still use linux/oss, why not look at reactos?

You didn't say how much your wanting to spend, you could get the ubuntu box
from tescos and stick a copy of windows on it if she really needs to use it.

Regards,
Daniel


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Subject: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.

I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
codger to do.

Norman


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[ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread norman
I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.

I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
codger to do.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Ciaran Mooney
You've already mentioned the two ways of getting the Windows games to
work on linux.

More help could be given if we knew what programs that would be needed
to be shoe-horned into Ubuntu.

If your thinking of a PC, why not something like the ASUS Eee with
Edubuntu installed? I can imagine one scenario where all her friends
would like an Asus Eee too, as it has all the whizz-bang fun
educational games.

Just a thought.

Good luck.

Ciarán


On Nov 14, 2007 9:50 AM, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.

 I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
 what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
 codger to do.

 Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Matthew Daubney
norman wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.

 I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
 what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
 codger to do.

 Norman

   
I'm not sure if this is what you're after, but I used to use Cedega for 
some games. It's worth is a bit patchy though If games are going to 
be a problem, dual boot the machine and put Edubuntu as the primary boot 
option. Windows is only really good for games after all (thats all my 
windows box is used for really!).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Norman,

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:50 +, norman wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school.

I have a policy of not supporting Windows on friends and families
computers. There are a couple of exceptions to this, but I won't take on
new people and certainly wont touch vista.

The reason I mention this is because one of the exceptions is my sister
who has 3 daughters. They have a PC which I supplied them with XP
installed. I didn't give them Ubuntu because the girls wanted to play a
lot of (non-educational) games on it that I knew would not work under
WINE. 

I also know that the thought of installing them inside a Windows virtual
machine under Linux would be too difficult for them, and the PC wasn't
beefy enough to do that anyway, and under a VM the guest has no access
to the 3D hardware.

I also didn't dual boot because I'd be pretty sure that the Linux
partition would probably not get used that much. 


  (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.
 

I am in a similar quandary with my own daughter. She is 4 and has just
started school this term. In school they have a windows PC in the
classroom on which she plays various educational games. At home she
rarely uses a computer at all. She has done a little typing here and
there and played some online flash games, but not much more than that.

I have ordered a couple of Asus Eee PCs, one for my wife to use and one
for Sophie. I wanted to get something small and lightweight which runs
normal software. I have just called the school to get a list of all
the software that Sophie uses, and if it's any good I'll see if I can
get it working under WINE, or get someone to write an alternative in
python so everyone can benefit :)

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Dave Morley

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:50 +, norman wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.
 
 I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
 what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
 codger to do.
 
 Norman
 
 
Why not install Ubuntu/Edubuntu in dual boot on the machine she already
has and ask her which she prefers?

A lot of the on line edu game run in flash which is available.  This
only leaves the cd based games.  Wine should run the majority of them as
they don't actual pull that much power from the system so why not try
them on your machine and when your happy that they work transfer them to
your daughters. 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread alan c
norman wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.
 
 I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
 what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
 codger to do.

There are a lot of educational and similar games for ubuntu, however, 
they will not be the *same* stuff that she sees her friends using, and 
she may feel left out, however good the OS is that she is using. What 
will happen is that her friends' PCs will often give problems in many 
ways, while the ubuntu will be reliable and stable.

The 'ubuntu only' option is an ambitious one, unless you are very 
nearby and in very frequent contact. Since she is not in your 
immediate household you might have difficulty being close enough for 
immediate support - if something needs to be configured in ubuntu for 
example. If you are not careful a situation will arise where she does 
not know enough to continue using ubuntu exclusively and becomes 
disappointed (socially) and gives it up completely. A solution I would 
consider is to use an xp machine with ubuntu as default in dual boot, 
and with a lot of space. The practical problem will be to get xp 
because the retail pressure is on vista now. Any internet related 
activities can be arranged for ubuntu - firefox, email, pidgin 
messenger etc, and also as many games as you can find. The remainder 
can be windows, if necessary.

Which ever machine you decide upon, get comments about its capabilty 
with ubuntu (and compiz - it is fun!), and if relevant, windows.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread norman
Lots of excellent advice, thank you. To make things quite clear my
granddaughter is cared for by my wife and myself so there is no distance
factor. She has a very good monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc so I was
contemplating buying just a box. If I got one the same as I use there
would be no compatibility problems and she has a wireless link via my
router for her internet needs. Additionally, she could have use of both
a laser printer for her text work and a colour printer for any arty
crafty stuff she wanted to do. 

As with lots of children the main difficulty to be overcome is being
able to fire her interest sufficiently so that she will enjoy sitting at
and using her computer. Without this, sitting on your own can be very
off putting. I would hope that with email, internet and interesting
software (she is already starting to be interested in Gimp) she will not
need windows.

Thanks again

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu users in High Wycombe area

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Hi folks,

This morning I popped into see my latest convert to Ubuntu who was  
having a bit of trouble printing labels off on her printer.  While I  
was there she asked if I could answer a technical question for her  
Brother-in-law.  So I got talking to her Brother-in-law and he  
mentioned how he got a virus on his laptop a while back.  I mentioned  
about Ubuntu which he could see running.  He seemed quite interested  
when I mentioned about the fact that Ubuntu doesn't suffer from the  
same sort of problems as Windows.  I also mentioned the work I'm  
involved with in getting some computers running Ubuntu (LTSP server   
clients) into a local community centre.

Now the problem is, he lives in High Wycombe which is a little far for  
me to commute to.  I am planning on popping a CD into him later on (as  
he's staying locally to me for a couple of days) so he can have a look  
at Ubuntu, I just wondered if there was anyone in the High Wycombe  
area who would possibly be interested in giving him a bit of help, and  
maybe even getting involved with installing an LTSP Server  clients  
in a local chuch/community centre there? (he sounded interested in the  
idea when I mentioned it).

Rob




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel Lamb
Well just buy a desktop from tescos then and use that, nows the time for her
to learn, otherwise she might be stuck like the rest of the blind windows
users.

Regards,
Daniel

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 14 November 2007 11:52
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

Lots of excellent advice, thank you. To make things quite clear my
granddaughter is cared for by my wife and myself so there is no distance
factor. She has a very good monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc so I was
contemplating buying just a box. If I got one the same as I use there
would be no compatibility problems and she has a wireless link via my
router for her internet needs. Additionally, she could have use of both
a laser printer for her text work and a colour printer for any arty
crafty stuff she wanted to do. 

As with lots of children the main difficulty to be overcome is being
able to fire her interest sufficiently so that she will enjoy sitting at
and using her computer. Without this, sitting on your own can be very
off putting. I would hope that with email, internet and interesting
software (she is already starting to be interested in Gimp) she will not
need windows.

Thanks again

Norman 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] workplacement

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel Lamb
Where abouts are you? Are you wanting to help with a project or work for a
company?

 

Regards,

Daniel

 

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Sent: 14 November 2007 16:24
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] workplacement

 

hi,
i'm looking for a kind of workplacement in an open source project.i did the
a+ exam last year which is WINDOWS TOTAL and after that a cisco based course
in networking.that's how i got in the computerworld but  i want to work with
open source only now and am therefor looking for some hands on experience.
anybody out there who needs a helping hand?
cheers
shen

  

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[ubuntu-uk] workplacement

2007-11-14 Thread tryo tas
hi,
i'm looking for a kind of workplacement in an open source project.i did the a+ 
exam last year which is WINDOWS TOTAL and after that a cisco based course in 
networking.that's how i got in the computerworld but  i want to work with open 
source only now and am therefor looking for some hands on experience.
anybody out there who needs a helping hand?
cheers
shen

   
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bloatware was memory lane

2007-11-14 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 12/11/2007, Ian Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Norman
 [snip]
 However, I wonder how much bloat would disappear if developers had to go
 back to programming in machine language and not through a nice interpreted
 language like C, Python, Java etc


Quite a lot of the bloat would disappear, but it would be replaced by
a load more bugs, given today's marketing-driven deadlines (my boss
asked me the other day: How long will this take, bearing in mind I
know when it needs to ship?) and the write-only nature of
assembler...

Hwyl,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread norman
To continue the saga, I introduced my granddaughter to Edubuntu this
evening and, after assuring her that I would keep windows for her games
etc., she asked me there and then to do it. Her machine is fairly old
and somewhat slow so I expect to be in for a long session.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Getting my VFD (case VFD) to work

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Javad Ayaz wrote:
 Ok i know ive asked this question before but i havnt found a 
 solution..so im going to ask again!
  
 Is there any way i can take advantage of the VFD in my case...My case is 
 a thermaltake mozart sx and it came with the Soundgraph imon software. 
 This software enabled my pc to display various info on a vfd!
  
 Does anyone know how i can utilize this in gutsy?
  
 Hoping someone can help!!!
  
 Javad
 

I'm sure I had a look last time and couldn't find anything.  What sort 
of connection is it?

I was going to suggest, if it's serial (rather than USB) could you try 
sending random stuff to /dev/ttySX (replace X with the serial port it's 
connected to, e.g ttyS0 for Serial Port 1, ttyS1 for Serial Port 2 etc).

Other than that, have you tried the manufacturer?

Might be worth a shot?

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: My computer is running very very slowly

2007-11-14 Thread London School of Puppetry
On 14/11/2007, Kirrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 - London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
  If your computer stays slow, or if you haven't upgraded to gutsy,
  whilst your computer is slow, please can you open a terminal, type the
  command top, and then hit the letter q. Copy and paste what is in
  that window into an email.
  snip
 

 Tasks: 107 total, 2 running, 105 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
 Cpu(s): 35.5%us, 7.3%sy, 9.2%ni, 25.8%id, 21.7%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.3%si,
 0.0%st
 Mem: 254916k total, 249768k used, 5148k free, 8264k buffers
 Swap: 738948k total, 75760k used, 663188k free, 64184k cached

 PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
 6684 castellb 15 0 2356 1052 792 R 3.8 0.4 0: 00.05 top
 5593 castellb 15 0 20044 7664 6904 S 1.9 3.0 0:18.96 bubblemon-gnome
 1 root 25 0 2952 1816 496 S 0.0 0.7 0:02.65 init
 2 root 16 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
 4 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
 5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
 6 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 events/0
 7 root 18 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 khelper


 Here it isthanks

 (Kirrus - Note, I have forwarded this to the list, as it was sent to my
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Getting my VFD (case VFD) to work

2007-11-14 Thread Javad Ayaz
the manuf only does windows...and unfortunately its only connected via a
usb!
thanks for looking before...and again now!

On 14/11/2007, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Javad Ayaz wrote:
  Ok i know ive asked this question before but i havnt found a
  solution..so im going to ask again!
 
  Is there any way i can take advantage of the VFD in my case...My case is
  a thermaltake mozart sx and it came with the Soundgraph imon software.
  This software enabled my pc to display various info on a vfd!
 
  Does anyone know how i can utilize this in gutsy?
 
  Hoping someone can help!!!
 
  Javad
 

 I'm sure I had a look last time and couldn't find anything.  What sort
 of connection is it?

 I was going to suggest, if it's serial (rather than USB) could you try
 sending random stuff to /dev/ttySX (replace X with the serial port it's
 connected to, e.g ttyS0 for Serial Port 1, ttyS1 for Serial Port 2 etc).

 Other than that, have you tried the manufacturer?

 Might be worth a shot?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-14 Thread alan c
norman wrote:
 Has anybody here installed Edubuntu, please and, if so, did you have any
 problems? I tried this evening and everything went well until I came to
 type in names and so forth. Instead of appearing in English everything I
 had typed came in what looked like Arabic. Nothing in life runs
 smoothly.

It rather sounds as if you inadvertently chose a non english language!

I have installed a number of edubuntu. They install just like 
ubuntu/kubuntu and use gnome just as straight ubuntu does.
They are aimed at children so the artwork is a bit more fancy. They 
also are geared for a client ('workstation') and server arrangement - 
for a class full of children if needed. I have only needed to use them 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Getting my VFD (case VFD) to work

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Javad Ayaz wrote:
 Ok i know ive asked this question before but i havnt found a 
 solution..so im going to ask again!
  
 Is there any way i can take advantage of the VFD in my case...My case is 
 a thermaltake mozart sx and it came with the Soundgraph imon software. 
 This software enabled my pc to display various info on a vfd!
  
 Does anyone know how i can utilize this in gutsy?
  
 Hoping someone can help!!!
  
 Javad
 

Hi Javad,

Done a bit more searching and found this on the Phronix forums...

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17515

If you look at the last post on the page, it seems that it is supported 
by the drivers I posted a link to.

Hope this all helps.  By the way, how much did the case cost and where 
did you get it from (if you don't mind me asking?).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
norman wrote:
 Has anybody here installed Edubuntu, please and, if so, did you have any
 problems? I tried this evening and everything went well until I came to
 type in names and so forth. Instead of appearing in English everything I
 had typed came in what looked like Arabic. Nothing in life runs
 smoothly.
 
 Norman
 
 

Yup, tried both the server and desktop versions and both seemed to work 
okay for me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] workplacement

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel Lamb
Ok, what afre your skills and abilities?

 

Regards,

Daniel

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi matt,
i'm living in stepney green,london but would consider some travelling.
cheers
shen

Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 hi,
 i'm looking for a kind of workplacement in an open source project.i 
 did the a+ exam last year which is WINDOWS TOTAL and after that a 
 cisco based course in networking.that's how i got in the 
 computerworld but i want to work with open source only now and am 
 therefor looking for some hands on experience.
 anybody out there who needs a helping hand?
 cheers
 shen

Shen,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing RealPlayer in Gutsy (Re: RealMedia streams (rtsp:) in Gutsy)

2007-11-14 Thread Alan Pope

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 20:50 +, Neil Greenwood wrote:
 On 12/11/2007, Greg K Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Adding
  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper commercial
  in Software Sources returns:
  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release: Unable to find
  expected entry  commercial/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file
  (malformed Release file?)
 
 Have you tried
 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy commercial
 

The commercial repository was never in archive.ubuntu.com. It was on a
Canonical server (ok, technically they both are but you know what I
mean).

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy - note no commerical

http://archive.canonical.com/dists/gutsy - has a partner section which
is the new name for the commerical section.

The only thing in it at the moment is opera:-

http://archive.canonical.com/dists/gutsy/partner/binary-i386/Packages.gz

So the line in sources.list would be:-

deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner


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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: My computer is running very very slowly

2007-11-14 Thread Kirrus

- London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
 If your computer stays slow, or if you haven't upgraded to gutsy,
 whilst your computer is slow, please can you open a terminal, type the
 command top, and then hit the letter q. Copy and paste what is in
 that window into an email.
 snip
 

Tasks: 107 total, 2 running, 105 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 35.5%us, 7.3%sy, 9.2%ni, 25.8%id, 21.7%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.3%si,
0.0%st
Mem: 254916k total, 249768k used, 5148k free, 8264k buffers
Swap: 738948k total, 75760k used, 663188k free, 64184k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
6684 castellb 15 0 2356 1052 792 R 3.8 0.4 0: 00.05 top
5593 castellb 15 0 20044 7664 6904 S 1.9 3.0 0:18.96 bubblemon-gnome
1 root 25 0 2952 1816 496 S 0.0 0.7 0:02.65 init
2 root 16 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
6 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 events/0
7 root 18 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 khelper


Here it isthanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Dave Morley wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:50 +, norman wrote:
 I am contemplating buying my 9 year old granddaughter a new PC for
 Christmas. Presently, she has a fairly old PC and has been using Windows
 both at home and at school. (I hear cries of shame). She is of course
 familiar with Ubuntu when she uses my machine and it would be my
 intention to wean her onto Ubuntu on her new machine. Where I need
 advice is in selecting the best way to enable her to join in with her
 classmates, if and when she may need to, with regard to such things as
 educational games and suchlike which do not play on Linux.

 I know of Wine and Crossover Office but neither of these appear to be
 what is needed. So, fellow Ubuntu users, what would you advise an old
 codger to do.

 Norman


 Why not install Ubuntu/Edubuntu in dual boot on the machine she already
 has and ask her which she prefers?
 
 A lot of the on line edu game run in flash which is available.  This
 only leaves the cd based games.  Wine should run the majority of them as
 they don't actual pull that much power from the system so why not try
 them on your machine and when your happy that they work transfer them to
 your daughters. 
 

I've found that educational games are a mixed bag (I have three 
daughters aged 7, 5 and 18 months).  I have one set of educational 
programs called something like 'PC Click and Learn'  which is created 
using some Macromedia package (not Flash or Shockwave, I think it's 
Authorware or something like that).  These programs wouldn't work under 
Wine.  I got sound but no graphics.

On the other hand I have a Reader Rabbit Keystage CD from about 
1999/2000 and that works well (apart from no music unless I setup Timidity).

Would it not be possible to install something like VirtualBox and then 
run Windows 98 or XP on top of that, or as mentioned before, dual boot 
XP and Ubuntu?

Maybe you could give her a few copies of The OpenEducationDisc to give 
out to her friends as Christmas presents?  They could all then get to 
grips with things like TuxPaint, TuxTyping and TuxMath (actually, I'm 
not sure if they're all on there, I've been working on a custom branded 
OpenDisc of my own which I'm going to distribute in my local area).

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[ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-14 Thread norman
Has anybody here installed Edubuntu, please and, if so, did you have any
problems? I tried this evening and everything went well until I came to
type in names and so forth. Instead of appearing in English everything I
had typed came in what looked like Arabic. Nothing in life runs
smoothly.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing RealPlayer in Gutsy (Re: RealMedia streams (rtsp:) in Gutsy)

2007-11-14 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 12/11/2007, Greg K Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adding
 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper commercial
 in Software Sources returns:
 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release: Unable to find
 expected entry  commercial/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file
 (malformed Release file?)

Have you tried
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy commercial

?

Hwyl,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-14 Thread London School of Puppetry
On 14/11/2007, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 norman wrote:
  Has anybody here installed Edubuntu, please and, if so, did you have any
  problems? I tried this evening and everything went well until I came to
  type in names and so forth. Instead of appearing in English everything I
  had typed came in what looked like Arabic. Nothing in life runs
  smoothly.

 It rather sounds as if you inadvertently chose a non english language!

 I have installed a number of edubuntu. They install just like
 ubuntu/kubuntu and use gnome just as straight ubuntu does.
 They are aimed at children so the artwork is a bit more fancy. They
 also are geared for a client ('workstation') and server arrangement -
 for a class full of children if needed. I have only needed to use them
 as a stand alone PC - that is  'workstation'.
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My son installed Edubuntu in a school library where he was working- no
problems, he was very enthusiastichowever the school was in the grip of
North Yorkshire and their fascination for Windows  and throwing away public
money on it...and after he left I am sure they relapsed...sorry am off
the point .he had no problems.

Caroline

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Getting my VFD (case VFD) to work

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Beard
Javad Ayaz wrote:
 Ok i know ive asked this question before but i havnt found a 
 solution..so im going to ask again!
  
 Is there any way i can take advantage of the VFD in my case...My case is 
 a thermaltake mozart sx and it came with the Soundgraph imon software. 
 This software enabled my pc to display various info on a vfd!
  
 Does anyone know how i can utilize this in gutsy?
  
 Hoping someone can help!!!
  
 Javad
 

I've just done a Google Search for Soundgraph and Linux (after finding 
this 
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Soundgraph_iMon_UltraBay/index.shtml 
which I assume is the same sort of thing as what you case has?).


It turns out there are drivers for Linux for the Soundgraph devices. 
I'm not sure if it would work but it might be worth a try.  The drivers 
can be found here: http://venky.ws/projects/imon/

After seeing that Ultrabay device, I really want to get one when I build 
a MythTV box.  Not sure if I could find a Desktop case with 3 or 4 5.25 
external drive bays though.

Rob


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[ubuntu-uk] Open Education Disc (was :Re: serious advice)

2007-11-14 Thread John Levin
Rob Beard wrote:

 
 Maybe you could give her a few copies of The OpenEducationDisc to give 
 out to her friends as Christmas presents?  They could all then get to 
 grips with things like TuxPaint, TuxTyping and TuxMath (actually, I'm 
 not sure if they're all on there, I've been working on a custom branded 
 OpenDisc of my own which I'm going to distribute in my local area).
 

I'd never heard of the OpenEducationDisc before; a google later gives:
http://www.theopendisc.com/education/

It's a version of OpenDisc, which was once The Open CD, launched but a 
month ago.

Version 7.10 (ohh, ubuntu-style release numbering!) has just come out;
the list of programs is at:
http://www.theopendisc.com/education/?page_id=16

Just a FYI,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] workplacement

2007-11-14 Thread tryo tas
hi matt,
i'm living in stepney green,london but would consider some travelling.
cheers
shen

Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting tryo tas :

 hi,
 i'm looking for a kind of workplacement in an open source project.i   
 did the a+ exam last year which is WINDOWS TOTAL and after that a   
 cisco based course in networking.that's how i got in the   
 computerworld but  i want to work with open source only now and am   
 therefor looking for some hands on experience.
 anybody out there who needs a helping hand?
 cheers
 shen

Shen,

where abouts in the UK are you based?

Regards,

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[ubuntu-uk] Want a £139 ubuntu box from Tescos ??? Sorry, temporarily out of stock!

2007-11-14 Thread Rohan Omard
Indeed, there are many pc's with windows mista also out of stock but it is good 
to know that a least one of the two ubuntu boxes  have sold well enough to 
create a temporary shortage! :D


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[ubuntu-uk] Buying A Laptop

2007-11-14 Thread Russell Green
Hey guys,

I'm in the process of buying a new laptop for when I'm not at home, it will
ofcouse be running ubuntu.I have a price range of 500 GBP and body got any
suggestions or any advice or any laptops they would recommend.I don't travel
very much so weight and things like that isn't important.I'm just trying to
get as powerful a laptop I can for that kind of price.

Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] workplacement

2007-11-14 Thread tryo tas
hi,i'm living nowadays in stepney green,london.i would prefer to help with a 
project but to get some knowledge i would consider every possibility.i don't 
think in terms of getting paid.
cheers shen

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Where abouts are you? Are you wanting to help with a project or work for a 
company?
   
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  hi,
 i'm looking for a kind of workplacement in an open source project.i did the a+ 
exam last year which is WINDOWS TOTAL and after that a cisco based course in 
networking.that's how i got in the computerworld but  i want to work with open 
source only now and am therefor looking for some hands on experience.
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 cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues with APT installing dependencies?

2007-11-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:44:09PM +, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
 Admittedly, I've never tried to package something for .deb before (I was
 an avid Gentoo user who got bored with watching the software compile
 before I came to Ubuntu!) so it may be something to do with this, it
 just seems a bit strange that if I'm installing what appears to be a
 LAMP stack, apt doesn't allow you to load everything it requires.

apt is merely the package management system; it doesn't make policy
decisions. (Or, to put it another way, it's just the messenger.)
phpgroupware Suggests phpgroupware-email (and other modules), so it's
not mandatory. apt does what it's told and doesn't install it by
default. If phpgroupware wanted a stronger dependency so that apt would
install it by default, it could use Recommends (at least as of hardy) or
Depends. A Depends is stronger and would also prevent you from
uninstalling the depended-upon package.

If you use a more intelligent apt frontend rather than simply apt-get,
you should be prompted for suggested packages. Your mistake may be
simply that you're using too low-level tools which don't try to help you
out as much.

 The portage system allows you to specify certain flags in /etc/make.conf
 (although it may have now moved!) as follows:
 
 USE=apache2 mysql -X ldap imap
 
 The above would allow me to install a complete lampstack along with the
 servers required for the DB connections and LDAP/IMAP cx simply by
 typing 
 
 # emerge -av modphp5
 
 is there anything similar under ubuntu?

Well, you won't find things in the same terms; binary package systems
work quite differently. At the discretion of the maintainer, optional
features may be packaged separately.

However, in the case you quote, you can certainly achieve much the same
effect since I believe all the necessary components are quite strongly
modularised. Install the apache2, mysql-server, php5-mysql, php5-ldap,
and php5-imap packages; then future system upgrades will preserve this.

(For a prepackaged LAMP server, you may want to try 'sudo tasksel
install lamp-server', which happens to fill some of your needs right off
the bat.)

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