Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy: Fail!

[Stephen Garton]

Morning all,

On 11/03/2008, James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  The error messages that you get before being dropped in to the shell
>  would help us to diagnose the problem and try and fix it. Can you
>  transcribe at least the last few lines in to an email?
>
I'm not getting any error messages, as far as I can tell. If I choose
a 'normal' kernal in Grub, I just get a black screen. Selecting a
recovery mode takes me to a root recovery shell. When typing 'exit'
into the shell (a command which would normally continue the boot
process in my experience) I get the same black screen.

>  Also, it may be a kernel issue, do you have other kernels still
>  available in the grub menu?

I do have other kernels, but have the same problems with all.

Rob Beard Wrote:
>Does it get as far as the login screen?

It didn't... (see below for updated progress)

>I had a bit of an issue with an ATI video card on Ubuntu 7.10 where it
>tried to put the monitor in a resolution that wasn't supported by my
>monitor.

It a laptop with integrated Intel card.

>Just a thought too, you could always try re-configuring X with the command:
>X -configure

Update- I had tried to sort with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from
the recovery console (not heard of x-configure before) so I reverted
to a backup of xorg.conf from before upgrading. I can now get to GDM.
It also seems it was not mounting my /home partition on boot, so I
have now editing /etc/fstab by hand from UUID=blahblah back to 'the
way it used to be back in the day' i.e. /dev/sda2. /home now gets
mounted.

However, once I get to grub, the touchpad (or USB mouse if plugged in)
doesn't respond, and after typing in my user name and password,
nothing happens after the boxes are greyed out.

I think I've junked it, but would still like to try to downgrade if it
is possible. Things are backed up, and /home is on a separate
partition anyway.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day

[Rob Beard]

Dianne Reuby wrote:
> Hi Rob,
> 
> The Uni is about 20 minutes by bus - the main departure/arrival point is
> about a 5 minute walk from the station. Our buses don't give change, so
> you need the exact fare - adult single is £1, return £1.90 to Oakfield
> Campus.
> 
> There are always taxis at the station - I think the fare is about £5,
> but I can check on that for you if you want.
> 
> Let me know if you need more details,
> 
> Dianne
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:59 +, Rob Beard wrote:
>> Dianne Reuby wrote:
>>> Just to confirm the demo day is set for April 26, from 10 til 4. The
>>> website has been a severe pain in the posterior for ages, and the newish
>>> CMS just don't want to work right! It's embarrassing for a computer
>>> museum, but there it is. If anyone wants the alternative activities
>>> sheet for partners and families, do email me direct and I'll send it out
>>> as we can't seem to add to the site at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dianne Reuby
>>> Collections Manager
>>> Museum of Computing @ Swindon
>>> http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk


Okay thanks Dianne,

I think I'll check about a mini-bus too if there's enough interest in 
our local LUG.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] If you had a wiki, which wiki would you wiki with?

[Dave Murphy]

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:17:35 +
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> I ended going with DokuWiki. Not 100% happy with it, but it installed
> a helluva lot easier than Moin!

I doubt anyone will care, but I've now switched to Moin. I actually
prefer the features of DokuWiki, but the vast majority of wikis I
interact with use Moin, so having a common syntax is much easier.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day

[Dianne Reuby]

Hi Rob,

The Uni is about 20 minutes by bus - the main departure/arrival point is
about a 5 minute walk from the station. Our buses don't give change, so
you need the exact fare - adult single is £1, return £1.90 to Oakfield
Campus.

There are always taxis at the station - I think the fare is about £5,
but I can check on that for you if you want.

Let me know if you need more details,

Dianne


On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:59 +, Rob Beard wrote:
> Dianne Reuby wrote:
> > Just to confirm the demo day is set for April 26, from 10 til 4. The
> > website has been a severe pain in the posterior for ages, and the newish
> > CMS just don't want to work right! It's embarrassing for a computer
> > museum, but there it is. If anyone wants the alternative activities
> > sheet for partners and families, do email me direct and I'll send it out
> > as we can't seem to add to the site at the moment.
> > 
> > 
> > Dianne Reuby
> > Collections Manager
> > Museum of Computing @ Swindon
> > http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk
> 
> Hi Dianne,
> 
> I'm going to mention the Ubuntu Demo Day in our local LUG mailing list. 
>   I just wondered how close the University is to Swindon Railway Station?
> 
> What I'm thinking is First Great Western are advertising cheap advanced 
> tickets for rail travel, and since I got completely lost on the way back 
> from the Challenge Santa day (stupid Sat Nav, even more stupid driver!), 
> I figured a train might be the easy option (and it saves a few of us 
> DCLugers driving up in 2 or 3 cars or getting a mini-bus).
> 
> Rob
> 
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy: Fail!

[James Westby]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 20:45 +, Stephen Garton wrote:
> Evening all,
> 
> I wanted to help log bugs etc in Hardy, but have hit a bit of a snag-
> I can't do anything apart from boot into recovery mode from grub! If I
> choose(or let grub choose) the default kernel, I get nothing.
> 
> I can manually start up eth0 from the recovery console, is there any
> way I can downgrade to gutsy from the command line?

Hi,

Thanks for trying to help. I'm sorry it's not going well for you
so far.

The error messages that you get before being dropped in to the shell
would help us to diagnose the problem and try and fix it. Can you
transcribe at least the last few lines in to an email?

Also, it may be a kernel issue, do you have other kernels still
available in the grub menu?

Thanks,

James




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day

[Rob Beard]

Dianne Reuby wrote:
> Just to confirm the demo day is set for April 26, from 10 til 4. The
> website has been a severe pain in the posterior for ages, and the newish
> CMS just don't want to work right! It's embarrassing for a computer
> museum, but there it is. If anyone wants the alternative activities
> sheet for partners and families, do email me direct and I'll send it out
> as we can't seem to add to the site at the moment.
> 
> 
> Dianne Reuby
> Collections Manager
> Museum of Computing @ Swindon
> http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk

Hi Dianne,

I'm going to mention the Ubuntu Demo Day in our local LUG mailing list. 
  I just wondered how close the University is to Swindon Railway Station?

What I'm thinking is First Great Western are advertising cheap advanced 
tickets for rail travel, and since I got completely lost on the way back 
from the Challenge Santa day (stupid Sat Nav, even more stupid driver!), 
I figured a train might be the easy option (and it saves a few of us 
DCLugers driving up in 2 or 3 cars or getting a mini-bus).

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[Chris Rowson]

I think that marketing Ubuntu and FOSS together mightn't always be the
best way to move forward.

I've written about this before, and I know it's an unpopular view, but
sometimes I think that people who might be interested in Ubuntu might
be a bit put off by open source evangelism.

Sometimes I think we have to pick our battles. It might be a case of
getting someone into Ubuntu first, then getting them into the concepts
of FOSS once they have taken 'the bait' of Ubuntu.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy: Fail!

[Rob Beard]

Stephen Garton wrote:
> Evening all,
> 
> I wanted to help log bugs etc in Hardy, but have hit a bit of a snag-
> I can't do anything apart from boot into recovery mode from grub! If I
> choose(or let grub choose) the default kernel, I get nothing.
> 
> I can manually start up eth0 from the recovery console, is there any
> way I can downgrade to gutsy from the command line?

Does it get as far as the login screen?

I had a bit of an issue with an ATI video card on Ubuntu 7.10 where it 
tried to put the monitor in a resolution that wasn't supported by my 
monitor.

Just a thought too, you could always try re-configuring X with the command:

X -configure

It should auto-detect your monitor and video card and write a sample 
xorg.conf file which you can then try (it tells you how to try it after 
it runs the command and also where the file is stored).

Not sure if any of that would help.

Other than that, I don't know how to downgrade off the top of my head. 
I'm not sure if it's possible to change the entries in the sources.list 
file to change hardy to gutsy on each line and then run another apt-get 
update and apt-get dist-upgrade?

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on downgrading could possibly help 
(I've only done an upgrade from the command line from 6.10 to 7.04 to 
7.10, not tried a downgrade).

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[alan c]

andy wrote:

> Whilst we want to push ubuntu as much as possible - pushing FLOSS 
> in general is going to help create an environment in which Ubuntu 
> can thrive.

The two issues:
1) Public awareness (and use) of FOSS (floss?), and
2) awareness (and use) of Ubuntu.

I display monthly at a local computer fair - both FOSS and Ubuntu,
and over a year I have noticed that attenders have now become
aware of Linux, probably from PC mag and media coverage, also anti
vista etc. They are not necessarily *using* it much, but there *is* an
awareness which simply was not there a year ago.

I also push FOSS - in the form of 'the Open CD'. My leaflets explain
and push FOSS, and they get taken. However, the requests are
invariably for the alternative to Windows - on my display it is
Ubuntu, and no requests come in for FOSS. In conversation it is easy to
get an OpenDisc (FOSS for windows) accepted, but the concept which is
now out there and happily bouncing around in the wild is 'the
alternative to windows'.

I think at this time with vista threatening and users already well
tired of being pushed around by M$, the concept of an Alternative OS
and reinforced with a wider emotional pitch of 'Freedom from feeling
Locked in!' is a powerful slant, and one which pushes on an open door.

Although the political and economic philosophies in FOSS are central
in my thinking, the message is a bit heavy to get across at any one
display event. Continuing to use the key words 'alternative' and
'freedom' (with the implied not 'locked in'), I find that discussions
of Open Office are fruitful - and this can often lead to an open disc
being taken.

Increasing use of Open Office is important however and whenever it is
prompted, because it underscores the FOSS ideas, and is good quality
stuff. Likewise Firefox is well known, and a Firefox banner will enable
people to identify with FOSS even though it is the only app they may
use currently. Thunderbird is a bit more of a commitment to get people
to take on, but it is a step closer to linux. These multi platform
apps are useful steps towards linux use, in fact, the very path I used
myself.

I have found that the strong branding that Ubuntu has is a very
important factor is getting recognition. I used to wonder why the tux
logo was not used in ubuntu, but only the ubuntu logo (brand). I now
think I know. Marketing a (wild) idea needs a clear focus, with no
confusion. Ubuntu branding works.

I have noticed that there is a layer of pre newbie and newbie
existence which is too timid to use LUGs (or even forums) directly.
Most windows users are quite anxious of doing anything major, even
though they are really fed up with what they have got. A bit of a chat
on the display stand seems very useful for them. One person visited
over months, then finally installed. It can take a really long time
for confidence to build up, much longer than one might expect. These
people feel very alone at first.

I certainly support the action of pushing ubuntu, and FOSS too. In
fact I think the Live CDs (not edubuntu live I think) have some
windows FOSS anyway (used in windows).

FWIW I find the the keywords

Alternative (to Windows)
Freedom
Locked in

are worth considering just now.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Well I listened to it and I was really impressed.  I liked the interview 
with Becky, I was just getting into that and it seemed to me to cut a 
bit short, I presumed she had more to say.

Great work anyway guys.  Length wise, it's just right to listen to 
whilst driving into work, in a way I was eager for more, I guess it's 
because I'm used to the 45 minute rants (I mean editiorial) that Shane 
does on the great Retro Gaming Radio.

Any idea on how often the podcasts will be released, or is it a case of 
they'll be released when you guys have time to record and edit 
everything (including submitted things) together?

I wonder too if this is something that Linux Format might be able to 
stick on their cover DVD?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Colin McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
> > Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
> > if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
> > anything non Microsoft in education :(
> >
> >
> I am doing my bit as I have put up our schools staff application forms in
> Word and OOo format :-)
> Even have a graphic linking to the OpenOffice website on our site, and a
> whole page on our intranet for students to learn about Open Source and
> 'proper' free (as in beer) applications.


"Free as in beer" on a school website, hah. (I know its not, just funny to
think).



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What is Hearty?
>
> Is it Hardy, or something else?


As far as I know, he meant hardy, who knows what this Ubuntu release is
called any more anyway, hah.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty

[Sean Miller]

What is Hearty?

Is it Hardy, or something else?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 20:22 +, Kris Douglas wrote:
> >  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched
> an
> >  old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing
> >  about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the
> >  family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.
> >
> >  Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a
> >  new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to
> >  give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple
> >  of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give
> >  Ubuntu a try?
> >
> >  If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.
> >
> >  I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.
> >
> >  Rob
> 
> 
> Reality-Podcast style, I like it.
> 

:-)

Might be better than reality TV too :D

Rob



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[Colin McCarthy]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
> Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
> if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
> anything non Microsoft in education :(
>
>
I am doing my bit as I have put up our schools staff application forms in
Word and OOo format :-)
Even have a graphic linking to the OpenOffice website on our site, and a
whole page on our intranet for students to learn about Open Source and
'proper' free (as in beer) applications.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[alan c]

Andy wrote:

> One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
> Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
> if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
> anything non Microsoft in education :(
> 
> We need to somehow combat the public sectors insistence that we use Windows.

Becta has spoken:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/becta_vista/

http://publications.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=28199
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reminder: Miro talk at Westminster tomorrow 12 March.

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:44 PM, John Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Josh Blacker wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:03 +, John Levin wrote:
>  >> HOLMES WILSON TALKS AT GLLUG, March 12th 2008.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>
> > Alas, I have two birthday parties to go to tomorrow night - will the
>  > talk be recorded?
>  >
>  > All the best,
>  > Josh
>  >
>  >
>  Quite possibly, equipment and talent allowing.
>
>  John

Agreed.

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[ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy: Fail!

[Stephen Garton]

Evening all,

I wanted to help log bugs etc in Hardy, but have hit a bit of a snag-
I can't do anything apart from boot into recovery mode from grub! If I
choose(or let grub choose) the default kernel, I get nothing.

I can manually start up eth0 from the recovery console, is there any
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[John Levin]

Andy wrote:

> 
> 
> One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
> Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
> if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
> anything non Microsoft in education :(
> 
> We need to somehow combat the public sectors insistence that we use Windows.
> We are not even on a level playing field here. FSFE don't appear to
> have do much. I asked them about the BBCs windows only software and
> they said it wasn't a priority. The UK is under-represented.
> 

ORG - the Open Rights Group - are probably the most active digital 
rights group in the uk:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/
Well worth checking out.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reminder: Miro talk at Westminster tomorrow 12 March.

[John Levin]

Josh Blacker wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:03 +, John Levin wrote:
>> HOLMES WILSON TALKS AT GLLUG, March 12th 2008.
>>
>>
> 
> Alas, I have two birthday parties to go to tomorrow night - will the
> talk be recorded?
> 
> All the best,
> Josh
> 
> 
Quite possibly, equipment and talent allowing.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Colin McCarthy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>  > On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>  >> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>  >>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume
> while the
>  >>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices
> when they
>  >>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>  >>
>  >>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
>  >
>  > Thanks Tony,
>  >
>  > I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Ciemon
>  >
> 
> I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what
> level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of
> level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page -
> http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature 
> one of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks 
> Levelator (http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out 
> the levels from a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well 
> considering our levels were all over the place!
> 
> Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.
> 
> Colin
> 

Sounds like a software version of what we have at work because some (not 
all) presenters either don't know about levels or don't really care.

Looks like a good application, I bet it'll save a lot of manual work.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[Rob Beard]

Andy wrote:
> On 11/03/2008, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  Does anyone have an ideas how we should go about this?
> 
> An idea came to me while watching TV.
> Channel 5 have this thing called "Your News"[1], maybe we should
> contact them, might not make it in time for anything about Hardy's
> release but might be able to organise something for the release after
> that.
> 
>>  Is our current
>>  growth rate acceptable/sustainable or should we be pushing for increased
>>  growth rates?
> 
> More is good.
> 
> 
> One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
> Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
> if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
> anything non Microsoft in education :(
> 

Or a very small amount of anything non-Microsoft in education - for 
instance the handful of schools running Karoshi, Moodle, LTSP or things 
along those lines.  I'd say it's probably a small percentage at the moment.

> We need to somehow combat the public sectors insistence that we use Windows.
> We are not even on a level playing field here. FSFE don't appear to
> have do much. I asked them about the BBCs windows only software and
> they said it wasn't a priority. The UK is under-represented.
> 

Might be worth e-mailing the Open Source Consortium about it, they seem 
to be interested in doing things - just look at the big stink they quite 
rightly kicked up about the iPlayer.  What gets me is that they're 
supporting the iPod Touch & iPhone before Linux!!!

Surely there's more Linux & Mac users out there than iPhone/iPod Touch 
users.

> Oh well.

There's a fair few of us doing different bits and pieces, although 
sometimes it can be disheartening that the word isn't getting across. :-(

> [1] http://www.fivetvonline.tv/your-news.php
> [2] http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/data_protection.aspx

I'll have a look at the links later, maybe the Five News idea might be a 
good one.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Colin McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature one
> of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks Levelator
> (http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out the levels from
> a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well considering our levels
> were all over the place!
>
> Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.
>
> Colin


That sounds like a good idea, because you can get community members
skyping in, rather than having them in the studio... I mean i know
something similar happens now, but you could have voice questions or
something from community members.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>  > Andy et al,
>  >
>  > Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
>  > without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
>  > negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
>  >
>  > So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
>  > I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
>  >
>  > What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
>  > that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
>  > the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
>  > new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.
>  >
>  > I look forward to hearing from you all.
>  >
>  > Ciemon
>  > -cake master
>  >
>
>  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched an
>  old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing
>  about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the
>  family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.
>
>  Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a
>  new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to
>  give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple
>  of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give
>  Ubuntu a try?
>
>  If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.
>
>  I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.
>
>  Rob


Reality-Podcast style, I like it.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty

[Rob Beard]

Ian Pascoe wrote:
> Rob
> 
> System sounds are still apparently non existant but on version -20 you can
> now get normal bleeps bangs and music etc
> 
> Ian
> 

Ahh I think I might be a bit behind here.  I'm running Kernel 
2.6.24-12-generic (AMD64) and SPDIF passthrough doesn't appear to be 
working.  Still for now I'm happy to boot into the older 2.6.24-11 
Kernel.  Guess it's part of running an Alpha copy of Ubuntu (generally 
seems really stable with only one or two crashes).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Colin McCarthy]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> > On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
> >>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
> >>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
> >>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
> >>
> >>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
> >
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ciemon
> >
>
> I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what
> level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of
> level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page -
> http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).
>
> Rob
>

Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature one
of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks Levelator (
http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out the levels from
a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well considering our levels
were all over the place!

Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Andy et al,
> 
> Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
> without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
> negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
> 
> So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
> I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
> 
> What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
> that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
> the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
> new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you all.
> 
> Ciemon
> -cake master
> 

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched an 
old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing 
about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the 
family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.

Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a 
new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to 
give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple 
of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give 
Ubuntu a try?

If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.

I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
>>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
>>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>>
>>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
> 
> Thanks Tony,
> 
> I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
> 
> Cheers,
> Ciemon
> 

I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what 
level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of 
level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page - 
http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[Andy]

On 11/03/2008, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Does anyone have an ideas how we should go about this?

An idea came to me while watching TV.
Channel 5 have this thing called "Your News"[1], maybe we should
contact them, might not make it in time for anything about Hardy's
release but might be able to organise something for the release after
that.

>  Is our current
>  growth rate acceptable/sustainable or should we be pushing for increased
>  growth rates?

More is good.


One of the main problems is the public sector are locked against us.
Many of the government agencies require the public to use .doc files
if you want to fill out stuff online[2], and there is the lack of
anything non Microsoft in education :(

We need to somehow combat the public sectors insistence that we use Windows.
We are not even on a level playing field here. FSFE don't appear to
have do much. I asked them about the BBCs windows only software and
they said it wasn't a priority. The UK is under-represented.

Oh well.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty

[Ian Pascoe]

Rob

System sounds are still apparently non existant but on version -20 you can
now get normal bleeps bangs and music etc

Ian

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Ian Pascoe wrote:
> Folks
>
> Just a heads up for those of you tracking Hearty.
>
> The latest version of the kernal has servere broken parts as far as sound
is
> concerned.
>
> Current advice is to keep with the 2.6.24-11 kernal if you can.
>
> Ian
>

I found this too, I thought it was just my sound card (SB Live 5.1 Digital).

I presume this will be fixed in shortly.  Other than that it seems to be
working fine.

I wish it included new versions of MPlayer and FFMpeg (I'm having to
compile from source which is an all new experience for me).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Matthew Daubney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> alan c wrote:
>  > Colin McCarthy wrote:
>  >
>  >>  I can't stand podcasts with
>  >> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.
>  >
>  > I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad
>  > language is necessary to get the subject across.
>  >
>
>  Having listened to the podcast, and enjoyed it thoroughly I feel I can
>  add a comment here.
>
>  I think the language depends on your aim of the target audience. I quit
>  like lugradio because most of the time does just come across of a group
>  of people having a natter, which is very useful white noise when writing
>  reports and things. If you where to limit the language, sometimes this
>  could be a bit stifled.
>
>  Of course, here it's slightly different maybe. Where the ubuntu-uk
>  podcast seems a lot more topic focused (from the first episode anyway),
>  and from the presenters. percieved image based on their voices, I
>  think that preventing bad language appearing may help it's target
>  audience (general UK-ians interested in Ubuntu, and not more techy people)
>
>  Just my 2 pennies, if it makes sense, also, good job on an excellent
>  podcast, any chance of some hardware reviews? :-)
>

I agree, I actually find LUGradio amusing, whereas this was not so
amusing, it was interesting to listen to, and something to learn from,
its a different genre when compared to some of the ones with a bit of
offo-lingo in it.


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[ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[andy]

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Guys,

On the back of the release of the podcast, I though it sensible to
either publish, or work out and then publish, what the targets of
ubuntu-uk are in regards to marketing.

One of the issues that has come up on the openoffice.org lists is the
fact that there's very little marketing power in Open Source.  The
general public doesn't have the exposure to ubuntu and FLOSS in general
that the likes of Apple and MS have.

There's alot of good volunteer projects running to try and fix this;
however, we need to find a way of playing the system in order to get the
exposure we need.

Now I can't pretend that I know how to do this (If I did know I could
probably make a lot more money than I am currently) - but it's something
that I think we should consider.


Whilst we want to push ubuntu as much as possible - pushing FLOSS in
general is going to help create an environment in which Ubuntu can thrive.

Does anyone have an ideas how we should go about this?  Is our current
growth rate acceptable/sustainable or should we be pushing for increased
growth rates?

One idea I've had (and I'm hoping others will have more to contribute)
is that we try and cover new adoptions of ubuntu over the UK in the
podcast.  i.e. a 'ubuntu taking over the UK little by little' section.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Matthew Daubney]

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alan c wrote:
> Colin McCarthy wrote:
> 
>>  I can't stand podcasts with
>> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.
> 
> I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad 
> language is necessary to get the subject across.
> 

Having listened to the podcast, and enjoyed it thoroughly I feel I can
add a comment here.

I think the language depends on your aim of the target audience. I quit
like lugradio because most of the time does just come across of a group
of people having a natter, which is very useful white noise when writing
reports and things. If you where to limit the language, sometimes this
could be a bit stifled.

Of course, here it's slightly different maybe. Where the ubuntu-uk
podcast seems a lot more topic focused (from the first episode anyway),
and from the presenters. percieved image based on their voices, I
think that preventing bad language appearing may help it's target
audience (general UK-ians interested in Ubuntu, and not more techy people)

Just my 2 pennies, if it makes sense, also, good job on an excellent
podcast, any chance of some hardware reviews? :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Paul Mellors wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:53 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
>>>  other gadgets to do a little recording.
>>>
>>>  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
>>>  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
>>>
>>>  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
>>>  podcast introduce themselves.
>>>
>>>  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  Ciemon
>>>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
>> page seemed to have been created here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
>>
>> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
>> did this migrate away into a private project?
>>
>> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>> little to do with it.
>>
>> Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
>> all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
>> apologise unreservedly.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
> To say i'm a litle miffed off is a understatement:)
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 

How I see it, it's a start.  Maybe in the future we could all maybe chip 
in things for future pod casts?

(I'd love to chip something in, even if it's just an excuse to get more 
experience working in a professional radio studio - something I should 
really know for my job working in a radio station, but currently being a 
trainee broadcast engineer and full time IT bod/Ubuntu promoter).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Great, I'll have a listen when I've finished upgrading Hardy :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[alan c]

Colin McCarthy wrote:

>  I can't stand podcasts with
> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Dave Murphy]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:58:27 +
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> >  -cake master
> 
> Mmm cake.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
[...]

I really like the idea of a Ubuntu-UK podcast, I cannot listen to it 
yet and am looking forward to it.

The main issue here seems to be one of people identifying with 
Ubuntu-UK yet feeling alienated from a UK branded, creative, event. In 
saying this I emphasise that this does not mean I believe that they 
either were, or were not, alienated.

> In my opinion we had a common consensus "Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast". 

I have no problem with this, I did not follow its discussion anyway. I 
am also ok if a bunch of people who want to, and who can, actually get 
to do it and do not wait for greater authority, other comments, whatever.

However, there might have been advantage in a pre publication 'press 
release' say, when more than half way through the process. If 
resources were available, a few Q&A and comments. This would have 
enabled some others to identify with the activity rather than later 
being taken unawares. Pre-pub press release or similar with the 
intention to inform is useful in a dispersed group to assist in 
cohesion. Such a press release does not invite creative feeback or 
review, just informs of actions and impending events. This can 
strengthen the self confidence of the wider team.

Surprises are almost always of negative effect and if they can avoided 
all the better. If the surprise is intentional, (hopefully not), then 
the motives need review I suggest.

I look forward to more podcasts. FWIW the only podcast I (previously) 
listened to is the linux action show.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy et al,
>
>  Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
>  without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
>  negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
>
>  So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
>  I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
>
>  What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
>  that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
>  the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
>  new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.

Maybe someone that's working on the new Gnome updates (gvfs, is it?)
or the soon arriving Hardy release?

>
>  I look forward to hearing from you all.
>
>  Ciemon
>  -cake master

Mmm cake.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

Andy et al,

Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.

So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.

What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Tony Arnold
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  LOL! "the content was sound"! What else would it be on a podcast:-)

Haha, sound as in good.

.. I thought it would be suitably appropriate =]

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

>
> I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music, there
> is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
> anything else.

To be fair there's only me whinging about the music.

>
> I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
> just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

Agreed. I enjoyed the interview with Becky Hogge. Nicely done.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just listening to the podcast now.  It's sounding good to me - the
> levels do need honing a small bit, but it's a brilliant first attempt.
>
> For future reference, I'm currently in the process of having a recording
> studio/'big soundproofed garage' being built at my home.  I should hope
> to be able to invite a few 'ubuntu-uk'-ers to record a Birmingham-based
> episode in a few weeks (when it's finished).
>
> I like the guest that you've got on the show - nice spread.
>
> I can understand Chris' p.o.v. regarding the fact that he volunteered
> and heard nothing until this announcement.  Perhaps a future 'protocol'
> would be to let everyone who has 'volunteered' know that the project is
> moving ahead without letting everyone else in the community know.

Well now we know :)

> Hopefully we won't have lost Chris's contribution due to this, and we
> have a nice healthy podcast that we can take forward and make our own.

I agree, and your recording studio idea sounds good, a really nice
offer for the guys, I believe there are quite a few people hovering
around the Birmingham area... We will see


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Colin McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music,
> there is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
> anything else.


The music was pretty classy, and I think that it was very different, as
Ubuntu is a very different operating system, its quite appropriate :)


>
>
> I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
> just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.


Haha, *cough*lugradio*cough* Although, I do really like lugradio... This was
more mature, more suitable, and the interviews really did make it a proper
podcast, that was of use to us.


>
>
> The TWIT.tv network produces a show called FLOSS WEEKLY, ironically about
> twice a year, but the main attraction of the show is the interviews with
> open source people.  I hope the Ubuntu-UK podcasters can get enough great
> interviews recorded to continue the brilliant start they have made with
> episode 1.
>
>
I agree, even if its not a very frequent release cycle, it would be nice to
keep some good Open Source Software and tech guys in to talk about topics.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Tony Arnold]

Kris Douglas wrote:

> Cool, I did notice some small issues with the audio, but the content was
> sound.

LOL! "the content was sound"! What else would it be on a podcast:-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[andy]

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Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Ciemon,

Just listening to the podcast now.  It's sounding good to me - the
levels do need honing a small bit, but it's a brilliant first attempt.

For future reference, I'm currently in the process of having a recording
studio/'big soundproofed garage' being built at my home.  I should hope
to be able to invite a few 'ubuntu-uk'-ers to record a Birmingham-based
episode in a few weeks (when it's finished).

I like the guest that you've got on the show - nice spread.

I can understand Chris' p.o.v. regarding the fact that he volunteered
and heard nothing until this announcement.  Perhaps a future 'protocol'
would be to let everyone who has 'volunteered' know that the project is
moving ahead without letting everyone else in the community know.

Hopefully we won't have lost Chris's contribution due to this, and we
have a nice healthy podcast that we can take forward and make our own.

Well done guys.

Andy L


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Colin McCarthy]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>
> > > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> > > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> > >
> > > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> > > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> > >
> > > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > > podcast introduce themselves.
> > >
> > > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> >
> >
> Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been presented
> with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and contribute to...
> Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating an
> incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something to give
> Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.
>
> Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
> Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!
>
>
>
> --
>

I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music, there
is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
anything else.

I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

The TWIT.tv network produces a show called FLOSS WEEKLY, ironically about
twice a year, but the main attraction of the show is the interviews with
open source people.  I hope the Ubuntu-UK podcasters can get enough great
interviews recorded to continue the brilliant start they have made with
episode 1.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

> Ok then, Ciemon, Alan & all other people associated with the creation of
> this podcast. I'm sorry for interrupting your release post. I just think
> that you deserve a little more appreciation than you received.
>
> I really like your Podcast, and I hope that some development time can be
> applied to it to polish it. Excuse me for being such an arse, I hate taking
> the piss and moaning, but its just some people don't know something good has
> happened when they see it.
>
> Kris
>
>

As I would also like to go on record as saying that the podcast was
good. (I believe I commented on that did I not?)

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Chris Rowson <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and
> some
> > > > > > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio
> > files,
> > > > > > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > > > > > podcast introduce themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been
> presented
> > > > with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and
> contribute
> > to...
> > > > Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating
> an
> > > > incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something
> to
> > give
> > > > Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
> > > > Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kris Douglas
> > >
> > > Dear Kris,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry mate - I'm obviously a total a**hole.
> > >
> > > How dare I question why I didn't get a chance to help out with this
> > > despite volunteering in the first place (along with quite a few others
> > > from the 'team'). Your email has put us all right in our places and
> > > shown us why it was right to build the ubuntu-uk podcast site and
> > > infrastructure for the ubuntu-uk podcasts without consulting any
> > > ubuntu-uk members.
> > >
> > > What low life scum I am.
> > >
> > > You know what Kris, it's comments like that that make me wonder why on
> > > earth I even bother.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, come on, Its been done, its been released, why can you appreciate
> it?
> > Now it has been setup, its a starting point, rather than a load of
> waffle on
> > a mailing list planning stuff, when its never going to get done... now
> we DO
> > HAVE something to work on, rather than thin air, maybe the community
> should
> > have been contacted, but when they all pile in with decisions, it just
> stops
> > things happening, so now we have something we can start implementing
> > decisions, so, it's quite possible you that is being the  expletive
> > here>, as you seem to be just one of the people that are stopping
> progress,
> > stopping things happening, so now it HAS happened, and now things can be
> > done to improve it.
> >
> > I do not appreciate being sent emails directly to my email, especially
> when
> > it is some form of insulting comment, so i'm posting this to the Ubuntu
> > mailing list, what a nice effing community we have here!
> >
> > Have a nice effing day!
> >
> > Kris Douglas
> >
> >
>
> That was rather silly of you Kris,
>
> I emailed you directly so that I didn't 'taint' the announcement of
> Alan's new podcast with any more argument on the mailing list.
>
> Still, if it made you feel like a big man - good for you.
>
> Chris
>

Ok then, Ciemon, Alan & all other people associated with the creation of
this podcast. I'm sorry for interrupting your release post. I just think
that you deserve a little more appreciation than you received.

I really like your Podcast, and I hope that some development time can be
applied to it to polish it. Excuse me for being such an arse, I hate taking
the piss and moaning, but its just some people don't know something good has
happened when they see it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reminder: Miro talk at Westminster tomorrow 12 March.

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Alas, I have two birthday parties to go to tomorrow night - will the
> talk be recorded?
>
>
Lucky fellow :) I would imagine they would have someone recording,
considering its quite high level...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
> >  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
> >  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
> >  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
> >
> >  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
>
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
>
> Cheers,
> Ciemon
>

Cool, I did notice some small issues with the audio, but the content was
sound.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:

> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>
>
Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been presented
with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and contribute to...
Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating an
incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something to give
Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.

Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>
>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.

Thanks Tony,

I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Tony Arnold]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/

Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.

Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[norman]

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> >  other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> >  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> >  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> >  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> >  podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> >  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/

I have read the comments so far and I am puzzled. If the object of the
exercise was to reproduce various interviews accompanied by visual
stimulation and accompanied by some jolly music then I believe the
object has been achieved. If, however, this was not the object then I
apologise for poking my oar in. 

I cannot see how the content could be decided by a few hundred folk
putting their ideas forward and then setting up some sort of voting
system to choose the 'popular suggestions'. Then of course script has to
be written, spokespersons appointed, recording sessions set up by remote
control to overcome distance, editing and, of course the site has to be
set up monitored and maintained. 

In my view what is needed is a small number of dedicated and skillful
persons to set the thing up and get it going and then hand it over to
the masses to get on with it.

Oh dear, what have I written? Isn't this what has happened? 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 04:38:19PM +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> I'm mega tired at the moment, I've had flu for a few days now and I
> can't be bothered to debate this to be fair. I'll say what I've got to
> say and then I'll shut up.
> 

If you don't want to debate it then don't mail. Please don't mail and expect 
me not to reply though. 

> I think it must have occured to you that some people who had
> 'volunteered' to help create a podcast may be a little surprised to
> find that it suddenly arrived out of the blue.
> 

Surprised yes. That was the general idea. Everyone should be surprised given 
there were 5 people involved in the creation, a few interviewees, and about 
a half dozen people who have been asked to be interviewed, I'd say it's 
fair for the rest of the planet to categorise themselves as "surprised".

> Unfortunately ubuntu-uk is an informal group and people can't make
> overriding 'executive' decisions to "deliberately keep people out of
> the loop" (as Al suggests) of community based projects.

I don't believe we do need to consult everyone about everything. We'll have 
to disagree on that point and move on.

I'd like to re-iterate that we welcome contrbutions and comments. They help 
us to build a better podcast.

> What we do as
> ubuntu-uk we should always try to do with a common consensus.

In my opinion we had a common consensus "Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast". 
That fact that _nobody_ actually got off their arses to do it speaks 
volumes. We however, did.

> We can't
> decide not to involve people because we mightn't like their
> suggestions.
> 

You're making an assumption about the reason why we didn't get people 
involved early on. It wasn't because we might not like their suggestions. As
I explained, we wanted to get something created. Now the infrastructure is 
there, we _welcome_ contributions from _everyone_. 

> That's my whinge over with. I'm just asking you to consider if you
> could have done this differently?
> 

We deliberated about it and decided that the way we want was the right thing 
to do.

> From a constructive POV. I've have listened to the podcast and it's
> not bad at all.  I'm sure it will develop over time as presenters find
> their personalities etc.  If I have any criticism it would be of the
> music. It's a bit naff and I don't like it. That's just me though!
> 

I appreciate that some don't like the music. I didn't choose it, but I love 
it. Find me a piece of music _everyone_ likes. I'll give you a quid for 
every one you find. Good luck.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/03/2008, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>  >  ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>  >  little to do with it.
>
>  Chris,
>
>  Has anything actually changed? All that's happened is that the first
>  podcast is out. All of the points on that page are still valid, and I
>  think it's important that contributions are made by everyone.
>
>  Without those contributions it some might argue that it is the
>  Ubuntu-UK podcast. But, the four of us live close together, with some
>  decent quality recording gear and can meet regularly. I believe we've
>  set the base level of content and quality, it's done, started, and I
>  hope now, that the enthusiasm in that list will come forward in
>  contributions.
>
>
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Ciemon

I'm mega tired at the moment, I've had flu for a few days now and I
can't be bothered to debate this to be fair. I'll say what I've got to
say and then I'll shut up.

I think it must have occured to you that some people who had
'volunteered' to help create a podcast may be a little surprised to
find that it suddenly arrived out of the blue.

Unfortunately ubuntu-uk is an informal group and people can't make
overriding 'executive' decisions to "deliberately keep people out of
the loop" (as Al suggests) of community based projects. What we do as
ubuntu-uk we should always try to do with a common consensus. We can't
decide not to involve people because we mightn't like their
suggestions.

That's my whinge over with. I'm just asking you to consider if you
could have done this differently?

>From a constructive POV. I've have listened to the podcast and it's
not bad at all.  I'm sure it will develop over time as presenters find
their personalities etc.  If I have any criticism it would be of the
music. It's a bit naff and I don't like it. That's just me though!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Alan Pope]

Hi Chris,

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 03:53:23PM +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
> page seemed to have been created here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
> 

That's right. Quite a few people signed up to help as well, which bodes 
well.

> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
> did this migrate away into a private project?
> 

Actually no, we didn't send out information about the project until now. The 
reason for this was to enable us to concentrate on getting episode one out, 
with a decent (in my opinion) website, hosting, bandwidth and so on. 

In the past the discussions seemed to get bogged down or stalled entirely. 
We created episode one to enable us to prove that we could do it, prove that 
the technology worked and build a framework in which the whole Ubuntu UK 
community can contribute.

> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
> little to do with it.
> 

There was of course nothing stopping anyone creating a podcast in the past. 
But they didn't. We did. That doesn't mean nobody else can take part. Far 
from it. In the podcast actually asked for contributions, but I guess you 
haven't had time to listen to the podcast yet, so wouldn't know that.

It was entirely deliberate to keep everyone "out of the loop" and I take 
full responsibility for that decision, and stand by it fully.

I hope you can appreciate why and I would like to invite anyone who would 
like to take part, to contact us and let us know! I look forward to hearing 
from you!

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

On 11/03/2008, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>  ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>  little to do with it.

Chris,

Has anything actually changed? All that's happened is that the first
podcast is out. All of the points on that page are still valid, and I
think it's important that contributions are made by everyone.

Without those contributions it some might argue that it is the
Ubuntu-UK podcast. But, the four of us live close together, with some
decent quality recording gear and can meet regularly. I believe we've
set the base level of content and quality, it's done, started, and I
hope now, that the enthusiasm in that list will come forward in
contributions.

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Paul Mellors]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:53 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> >  other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> >  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> >  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> >  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> >  podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> >  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> >  Ciemon
> >
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
> page seemed to have been created here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
> 
> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
> did this migrate away into a private project?
> 
> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
> little to do with it.
> 
> Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
> all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
> apologise unreservedly.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
To say i'm a litle miffed off is a understatement:)

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Paul Mellors]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:28 +, Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Good idea, wish i'd thought of it myself :(

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
>  other gadgets to do a little recording.
>
>  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
>  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
>
>  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
>  podcast introduce themselves.
>
>  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Ciemon
>

Hi folks.

The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
page seemed to have been created here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal

Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
did this migrate away into a private project?

I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
little to do with it.

Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
apologise unreservedly.

Cheers

Chris

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[ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
other gadgets to do a little recording.

The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.

I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
podcast introduce themselves.

Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/

Cheers,

Ciemon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reminder: Miro talk at Westminster tomorrow 12 March.

[Josh Blacker]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:03 +, John Levin wrote:
> HOLMES WILSON TALKS AT GLLUG, March 12th 2008.
> 
> The Greater London Linux User Group (GLLUG) announces a special guest 
> appearance from Holmes Wilson of Miro at the University of Westminster, 
> Cavendish Street Campus, on Wednesday March 12th 2008, at 7pm.
> 
> Miro is free, non-profit, open-source software for watching video online 
> that was downloaded over 2 million times last year.
> 
> Wilson will be talking about why Miro's free, open-source approach is 
> essential for fully realizing the socially transforming power of 
> internet video, and about why it's important for the desktop linux movement.
> 
> There will be time for questions, and drinks afterwards at the King and 
> Queen public house round the corner.
> 
> All welcome. No charge.
> 
> Date: 7pm, Wednesday March 12th.
> 
> Venue: University of Westmins School of Infomatics
> 115 New Cavendish Street,
> London W1W 6UW
> Nearest underground stations: Great Portland Street, Warren Street, 
> Goodge Street.
> http://www.wmin.ac.uk/cscs/page-49
> 
> King and Queen
> 1 Foley Street
> London W1P 7LE
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/91/913/King_and_Queen/Fitzrovia
> 
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> http://www.technolalia.org/blog/
> 

Alas, I have two birthday parties to go to tomorrow night - will the
talk be recorded?

All the best,
Josh


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[ubuntu-uk] Reminder: Miro talk at Westminster tomorrow 12 March.

[John Levin]

HOLMES WILSON TALKS AT GLLUG, March 12th 2008.

The Greater London Linux User Group (GLLUG) announces a special guest 
appearance from Holmes Wilson of Miro at the University of Westminster, 
Cavendish Street Campus, on Wednesday March 12th 2008, at 7pm.

Miro is free, non-profit, open-source software for watching video online 
that was downloaded over 2 million times last year.

Wilson will be talking about why Miro's free, open-source approach is 
essential for fully realizing the socially transforming power of 
internet video, and about why it's important for the desktop linux movement.

There will be time for questions, and drinks afterwards at the King and 
Queen public house round the corner.

All welcome. No charge.

Date: 7pm, Wednesday March 12th.

Venue: University of Westmins School of Infomatics
115 New Cavendish Street,
London W1W 6UW
Nearest underground stations: Great Portland Street, Warren Street, 
Goodge Street.
http://www.wmin.ac.uk/cscs/page-49

King and Queen
1 Foley Street
London W1P 7LE
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/91/913/King_and_Queen/Fitzrovia

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] KlamAV and AV in general

[Michael Holloway]

> 
> > 
> If you're sharing a C:\ drive, you've got to be stark starting
> mad...
> That's s bad XP even warns you NOT to do it...
> 
> I totally agree...  But when you can control the way people can access
> it, its not too bad, eg, having a password on it. 
> 
> I do this in a local network with only my machines, and I don't
> recommend you do it otherwise (like in a public environment / office).
> 


Personally, I use samba shares at home - and don't bother with AV. My
dual boot there has access to its windows drives, but doesn't scan - i
have AVG in windows...

At work, i have a samba server too - but that one does run Clam, of
course!!!

I have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses
and though i know that could have easily been written by Mr Gates & Co.
I'm sure there is some accuracy in it. If this is a growing problem -
then when do we need to start caring?

Installing from the Repositories /should/ be 100% safe, and we like to
think that installing stuff of source forge is too (because the source
is open), but as more new/inexperienced Linux users emerge, the gateway
is opening. Take for example, I write a cool program, "xyz", but i
happen to put shell c99 (or worse) in the binary installer.

Does anyone else think maybe it's a good idea to, say, have an option in
Ubuntu install or something to have a memory resident AV enabled? (which
most of us will probably so no to :)

P.S. if anyone is wondering where this is all coming from, the topic of
Fast Flux Hosting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_flux has come up at
work and I'm doing some research into how they are compromising web
servers. 








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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty

[Paul Mellors]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound broken in Hearty


> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> Folks
>>
>> Just a heads up for those of you tracking Hearty.
>>
>> The latest version of the kernal has servere broken parts as far as sound 
>> is
>> concerned.
>>
>> Current advice is to keep with the 2.6.24-11 kernal if you can.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>
> I found this too, I thought it was just my sound card (SB Live 5.1 
> Digital).
>
> I presume this will be fixed in shortly.  Other than that it seems to be
> working fine.
>
> I wish it included new versions of MPlayer and FFMpeg (I'm having to
> compile from source which is an all new experience for me).
>
> Rob
>
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I found that to on my lappy, but i changed all the options to ALSA and sound 
started working again :s  wierd. 



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