Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise
On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Error report not working
On 04/05/12 23:59, Alan Pope wrote: On 04/05/12 12:18, scoundrel50a wrote: Since I had to do the reinstall, I keep getting crash reports, a lot more than what I was getting when it was running beta 1.I click on the crash report logo, it brings up the box, which shows what has crashed and where it says submit, I click and nothing happens, so I cant submit the crash report Sounds strange. I would clear out the crash reports by deleting all files in /var/crash. Then startup fresh and see what (if anything) crashes. Ok, did that, and as soon as the laptop started a crash report box appeared, blueman applet, so I went through the process again, and nothing happened, how do you know if the crash report gets to you, how do you know if its duplicate.all the reports I have sent I have had no messages back to say its been dealt with. then I try the terminal and use ubuntu-bug whatever and it says it cant find the crash report. ubuntu-bugpackage shouldn't be looking for crash reports. It should just file a new bug. oh, ok, now I have learnt something, what is the difference between a crash report and a bug? Genuine question. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Error report not working
A bug can be a flaw in an otherwise functional program, like a typo or an unclickable button. A crash is when the program ceases to respond to user interaction, usually seen as it just closing. An example of a crash on say, android, is when you get a force close message. On May 5, 2012 9:47 AM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/12 23:59, Alan Pope wrote: On 04/05/12 12:18, scoundrel50a wrote: Since I had to do the reinstall, I keep getting crash reports, a lot more than what I was getting when it was running beta 1.I click on the crash report logo, it brings up the box, which shows what has crashed and where it says submit, I click and nothing happens, so I cant submit the crash report Sounds strange. I would clear out the crash reports by deleting all files in /var/crash. Then startup fresh and see what (if anything) crashes. Ok, did that, and as soon as the laptop started a crash report box appeared, blueman applet, so I went through the process again, and nothing happened, how do you know if the crash report gets to you, how do you know if its duplicate.all the reports I have sent I have had no messages back to say its been dealt with. then I try the terminal and use ubuntu-bug whatever and it says it cant find the crash report. ubuntu-bugpackage shouldn't be looking for crash reports. It should just file a new bug. oh, ok, now I have learnt something, what is the difference between a crash report and a bug? Genuine question. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Error report not working
On 05/05/12 09:46, scoundrel50a wrote: . then I try the terminal and use ubuntu-bug whatever and it says it cant find the crash report. ubuntu-bugpackage shouldn't be looking for crash reports. It should just file a new bug. oh, ok, now I have learnt something, what is the difference between a crash report and a bug? Genuine question. Hello scoundrel50a OK, I'll have a go at an answer but I'm only an end user Crash: is when a process / program has stopped working. The program might try to write a report to the crash log before it quits. To see the processes/programs running on your system try running System Monitor. Bug: A bug is when a program does something that is not the expected behaviour for that program. That could end up with the program crashing, or the program could carry on working but just do something it isn't supposed to. An example on 12.04 Testing a few months ago was the screengrab program run under gnome-shell instead of Unity: it did screengrabs upside down and displaced by a few hundred pixels. Its not crashing, just not doing what it should. Then you do the bug report thing against the package, because you know what it should be doing, the machine just thinks everything is fine because no crash logs. Any good? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.comwrote: On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. How do I get in touch with them? IRC? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Re: Wine on Precise
-- Forwarded message -- From: Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com Date: May 5, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. How do I get in touch with them? IRC? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ They have an IRC channel on freenode, #window they're probably your best people to talk to. Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Re: Wine on Precise
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM, David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.comwrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com Date: May 5, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. How do I get in touch with them? IRC? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ They have an IRC channel on freenode, #window they're probably your best people to talk to. Dave That channel is empty. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Re: Wine on Precise
Sorry about that, On May 5, 2012 1:31 PM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM, David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com Date: May 5, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. How do I get in touch with them? IRC? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ They have an IRC channel on freenode, #window they're probably your best people to talk to. Dave That channel is empty. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Sorry about that, silly auto complete on my phone. It should be #winehq (it may be a double ## channel) Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Re: Wine on Precise
I'm there now, nobody seems to talk and the only person who has tells me 'it's a ubuntu package issue'. On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 1:38 PM, David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.comwrote: Sorry about that, On May 5, 2012 1:31 PM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM, David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com Date: May 5, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine on Precise To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 04/05/12 22:43, Gareth France wrote: The Pokerstars poker client has always been a little flakey under wine. The newest version tends to crash about once a minute, but installing an older version of wine instead produced a stable result. It stopped working after my upgrade, can't connect to the remote server. Having looked at what's installed I can install wine 1.2 or 1.3 but 1.4 always gets pulled down with it. Does anyone know why this is happening and any ways I can get round it or make Pokerstars see the internet again? I suggest asking the wine folk this one. Regards,Barry. How do I get in touch with them? IRC? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ They have an IRC channel on freenode, #window they're probably your best people to talk to. Dave That channel is empty. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Sorry about that, silly auto complete on my phone. It should be #winehq (it may be a double ## channel) Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- www.cliftonts.co.uk - IT support, Computer sales, PAT Testing -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Updates interupt film
- Mensaje original - On 03/05/12 16:47, Andres Muniz wrote: My wife claims this happened to her: she was watching a web video on full screen mode and the ubuntu updater took her out of full screen mode and set it's self on top of the web page. Sounds plausible. I would file a bug. I don't think anything should pop over a video whether flash or local media. Alternatives include:- * Setting your wife to not be an administrator so she never gets the update notifications * Install apticron to email you when updates are available * Set update manager to check less regularly for updates, or autodownload and install updates. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Wow! Great suggestions I'll check if it happens again and report it. Will probably make an account for her seems the easiest. Thanks! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best way to contribute to Ubuntu? - was Re: 12.04 has locked me out of my account
On 04/05/12 17:05, Alan Pope wrote: ubuntu-bug unity (replacing unity with whatever package has the issue) Then follow the prompts on the screen. I can confirm that this is a very convenient and practical way to register a bug, and works pretty well. I cannot recall using it for very long so perhaps it is relatively new facility, or if I have just recently become aware of it. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best way to contribute to Ubuntu? - was Re: 12.04 has locked me out of my account
On 05/05/12 14:41, alan c wrote: On 04/05/12 17:05, Alan Pope wrote: ubuntu-bug unity (replacing unity with whatever package has the issue) Then follow the prompts on the screen. I can confirm that this is a very convenient and practical way to register a bug, and works pretty well. I cannot recall using it for very long so perhaps it is relatively new facility, or if I have just recently become aware of it. A failry useful thing if for some reason you are not able to let it process - I timeout regulalry with Launchpad is apport-bug /path/to/var/log/crash/crashfile for instance apport-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_software-properties-gtk.1000.crash Piskie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best way to contribute to Ubuntu? - was Re: 12.04 has locked me out of my account
On 04/05/12 17:32, Gareth France wrote: that new people don't already know the routine I have often forgotten how to do this (several times) and several times have used web, wiki or various searches, and I have been frustrated that this most convenient way is not generally the one which is first shown, I have had to thrash about a lot to try to recall what to do. The Community and to some extent Canonical are not yet at all well tuned to an average newcomer, although it is getting noticeably better, particularly about downloading and installing. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Nvidia-settigns application and Over-scan problems
Hi
Hope someone here can help me.
I'm using 2 monitors currently on my main system It's an Nvidia ION
based motherboard.
I'm running Ubuntu 12.04
The problem is that the Nvidia-Settings app is not saving the settings
for the second monitor.
I've used the following Nvidia Drivers (all have the same problem)
295.40
295.49
302.07 (beta)
It seems to be a problem with Ubuntu 12.04 and Nvidia-settings
With 302.07 it no longer give you the option to change the over-scan
in the Nvidia-Settings application, making you add settings in the
xorg.conf instead by adding metamodes to the file.
e.g.
DFP-0: 1920x1080 { ViewPortOut=1900x1060+10+10 }
I've tried amending my xorg.conf but it does not seem to make any
difference to the monitor output..
Anyone got any hints or ideas?
Going back to a single screen is looking good at the moment...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Error report not working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/12 01:46, scoundrel50a wrote: Ok, did that, and as soon as the laptop started a crash report box appeared, blueman applet, so I went through the process again, and nothing happened, how do you know if the crash report gets to you, how do you know if its duplicate.all the reports I have sent I have had no messages back to say its been dealt with. So it sounds like it's not reporting the bug properly. What should happen is it should open a tab in your browser and take you to launchpad.net. You have internet connectivity when this happens? oh, ok, now I have learnt something, what is the difference between a crash report and a bug? Genuine question. Crash reports are automatically generated when something crashes. Bug reports are created when you submit a crash report or when you manually report a problem. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPpUtrAAoJEMx6UFtfvV4wtmYH/17dlZ2qfI+QBLtTKrddM19t ZKNeBVHUFxoYkdAEaixX0mVzQu2+OgdxUqJmF1zvfi0CmneOwSTKHk27NlarM7Vs 32IB59rIlo6IKsYnVMI3apb6uslTO0KqX5WZDp68ifhlODj91D4jVFD5oVdIuswz WV8U0kRW2BsXKFSVBlDlcN3nwakD21Dv2e6eYnnAm/nJeFquK2DSfxxOwWCQdiwf l84JvhotW5BKU9Cf2F5d2qLzB/qdW+MaGQEvbG63g3cJMhYudPvO3+VZylZZVvVP YeUj+HeoQPDBZpCgUu9HBAZuW2/wW5tf0JijtZMqqvrctsPJ2gLwPluZWG2MmuQ= =HeTA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Hi! Just a quick bit of news... I teach in adult education in North Tyneside, and last year I managed to talk my manager round to the idea of putting on a beginners course in Ubuntu within the borough. It means spending scarce funding on what is a fairly 'off the beam' topic, when the usual practice is to play safe and put on the usual 'Intro to MS Windows' material. He was a bit sceptical about recruitment for it, but let it go ahead anyway. Happily, we got 11 adults signing up for the course just last Thursday, which is a big success by current standards. I've got to say I did do a lot of evangelising amongst my current students, so it wasn't all accidental, but even so I wasn't expecting such a good turn out. We're also having to run the course in rather 'experimental' circumstances. The powers-that-be wouldn't let me install Ubuntu to their PC HDDs, so we're having to run Ubuntu from bootable memory sticks. Works pretty much OK though, and the students can (of course) have the same experience at home if they wish. This is very much a beginners (level 1) course, taught by someone (me) who was trained ' the MS way', but has converted to the FOSS agenda over the years. Practical experience is the thing that makes people convinced about software though, so I think having 10 weekly sessions with Ubuntu should produce a positive outcome! -- Beatrix E. Groves BA Hons (Educ) LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS President, Institute for Learning (IfL) General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) ~~ Email: beagro...@gmail.com Email: b...@beagroves.net Web:http://www.beagroves.net Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com ~~ Random Quote of the Day (chosen by my computer) - In conventional education the student is required to adjust himself to an established curriculum; in adult education the curriculum is built around the students needs and interests. Every adult person finds himself in specific situations with respect to his work, his recreation, his family-life, his community-life, et cetera situations which call for adjustments. Adult education begins at this point. (from 'The Meaning of Adult Education' by Eduard C. Lindeman, 1926) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bea, This is excellent! On 05/05/12 10:14, Bea Groves wrote: We're also having to run the course in rather 'experimental' circumstances. The powers-that-be wouldn't let me install Ubuntu to their PC HDDs, so we're having to run Ubuntu from bootable memory sticks. Works pretty much OK though, and the students can (of course) have the same experience at home if they wish. I'd imagine that would be okay if the machines have sufficient RAM and have been tested before hand. Might be worth installing onto USB keys rather than just using the usb startup disk creator, so they can carry on using it later. (not sure if that's what you meant or not) This is very much a beginners (level 1) course, taught by someone (me) who was trained ' the MS way', but has converted to the FOSS agenda over the years. Practical experience is the thing that makes people convinced about software though, so I think having 10 weekly sessions with Ubuntu should produce a positive outcome! Let us know if you need some help! Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPpWHyAAoJEMx6UFtfvV4wTK0IALlQfwZ1vD6sW/+oHv06UVNz U1P7OwmGtqd5DDYeuYTDl/auKqbESPZiJlS45B9L7JzdlXVRFW+H+0fW339iqkhe WQ/F6QwpIhpOIKZQmO1tah+VvTgN2Tx1Tq2713shHOuCg3c/wi58c/dfinJSS5Jz /jZoGRPBwU89JhVFccB/xQf6hWySFTGgCphDfd0HzWcXMV/u8nnRyxnyavSCRRpM a9085FVRvd78qwl908ksnc7mzs9g0cAdZe+EWcgUfurbtspgo8eSdJvtT/qIIr3H c1SgJdpumQl1aU6d8Y+xAk5khLD3JfrwTROGkcyQ0ghS4fYWt+vgKtfoXSU2ZhY= =dQZA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Hi Alan! I'm really pleased that you like the the new course concept. I'm going to try to keep on plugging away for it to become a regular feature on North Tyneside's curriculum. I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. With a small persistent file allocated for storage the students can play with the system and keep their changes from week to week. The PCs have just 1GB RAM (which put paid to the idea of using VirtualBox), but Ubuntu seems to run speedily using this unorthodox approach. I'll stay in touch if that's OK? If this is a success it might be possible to expand the curriculum to other boroughs across Tyneside. And then... who knows? My policy has been: show 'em how easy and fun it is, tell 'em it's free, and they'll never want Windows again. Any ideas that might contribute to keeping this going... then let me know. I'm the only tutor in adult ed' doing this sort of thing up here, and I could do with all the help I can get :-) Ciao! On 05/05/12 18:22, Alan Pope wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bea, This is excellent! On 05/05/12 10:14, Bea Groves wrote: We're also having to run the course in rather 'experimental' circumstances. The powers-that-be wouldn't let me install Ubuntu to their PC HDDs, so we're having to run Ubuntu from bootable memory sticks. Works pretty much OK though, and the students can (of course) have the same experience at home if they wish. I'd imagine that would be okay if the machines have sufficient RAM and have been tested before hand. Might be worth installing onto USB keys rather than just using the usb startup disk creator, so they can carry on using it later. (not sure if that's what you meant or not) This is very much a beginners (level 1) course, taught by someone (me) who was trained ' the MS way', but has converted to the FOSS agenda over the years. Practical experience is the thing that makes people convinced about software though, so I think having 10 weekly sessions with Ubuntu should produce a positive outcome! Let us know if you need some help! Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPpWHyAAoJEMx6UFtfvV4wTK0IALlQfwZ1vD6sW/+oHv06UVNz U1P7OwmGtqd5DDYeuYTDl/auKqbESPZiJlS45B9L7JzdlXVRFW+H+0fW339iqkhe WQ/F6QwpIhpOIKZQmO1tah+VvTgN2Tx1Tq2713shHOuCg3c/wi58c/dfinJSS5Jz /jZoGRPBwU89JhVFccB/xQf6hWySFTGgCphDfd0HzWcXMV/u8nnRyxnyavSCRRpM a9085FVRvd78qwl908ksnc7mzs9g0cAdZe+EWcgUfurbtspgo8eSdJvtT/qIIr3H c1SgJdpumQl1aU6d8Y+xAk5khLD3JfrwTROGkcyQ0ghS4fYWt+vgKtfoXSU2ZhY= =dQZA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Beatrix E. Groves BA Hons (Educ) LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS President, Institute for Learning (IfL) General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) ~~ Email: beagro...@gmail.com Email: b...@beagroves.net Web:http://www.beagroves.net Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com ~~ Random Quote of the Day (chosen by my computer) - Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present. Our life has no end in just the way in which our visual field has no limits. --Ludwig Wittgenstein -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+ years of UI baggage. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 05/05/12 19:00, Gareth France wrote: I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+ years of UI baggage. Hello Bea Really well done. Your experience has confirmed my resolve to run a couple of workshops at the FE College where I teach. I'll probably go for freebie/3 GLH type taster courses to begin with to test the water. FE Colleges get less 'developmental' funding than adult education centres. I'll offer it as staff development in June/July to begin with to see what activities work best. If the LibreOffice files for any of the resources below would help, just let me know and I'll pop the dropbox links here. I guess you have lots already for a 10 week course. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-4.pdf Unity 12.04 poster for those who use 10.04 http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/unity2dguide.pdf Unity 11.10 guide aimed at Windows people http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/live-cd-quick-start.pdf A Live CD guide. Gareth: My teenagers and 19-24 students can sort Unity in a minute or two when I lend them my little 1024/600px netbook in lessons. The adults struggle a bit to be honest. Would need an overview/explanation, but a 10 week course would be great. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Gareth: My teenagers and 19-24 students can sort Unity in a minute or two when I lend them my little 1024/600px netbook in lessons. The adults struggle a bit to be honest. Would need an overview/explanation, but a 10 week course would be great. So because we find something difficult we should shy away from learning it, even though that's the way things are going to be from now on? Teaching people to use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 is rather akin to telling people you'll teach them to use a PC by using a typewriter. Unity is here and it's staying, so anyone learning to use Gnome 2 will either end up using Mint, or have to learn everything over again for Unity. Saying that takes me back to my school days, when Windows 3.1 and Microsoft office were standard I was being taught how to use the BBC Micro and Acorns. What a waste of time that was! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: The *buntu world is not solely Unity - have a look around. Regards, Phill. True, I suppose someone using Gnome 2 could easily transfer the skills to Xubuntu or probably even Kubuntu with minimal culture shock. I've never really gotten along with them though... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 05/05/12 19:32, Gareth France wrote: So because we find something difficult we should shy away from learning it, even though that's the way things are going to be from now on? Teaching people to use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 is rather akin to telling people you'll teach them to use a PC by using a typewriter. Unity is here and it's staying, so anyone learning to use Gnome 2 will either end up using Mint, or have to learn everything over again for Unity. Gareth Bea has done really well getting through the MS smoke screen in her setting. I think she should be writing it up for IfL or Excellence Gateway. I understand and respect where you are coming from. Email me direct off list if you want to explore the issues that face people in institutional education. I'd like to engage with you on this one because the more people understand the issues about getting open source into education the better. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:41 PM, kpb k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote: On 05/05/12 19:32, Gareth France wrote: So because we find something difficult we should shy away from learning it, even though that's the way things are going to be from now on? Teaching people to use Ubuntu with Gnome 2 is rather akin to telling people you'll teach them to use a PC by using a typewriter. Unity is here and it's staying, so anyone learning to use Gnome 2 will either end up using Mint, or have to learn everything over again for Unity. Gareth Bea has done really well getting through the MS smoke screen in her setting. I think she should be writing it up for IfL or Excellence Gateway. I understand and respect where you are coming from. Email me direct off list if you want to explore the issues that face people in institutional education. I'd like to engage with you on this one because the more people understand the issues about getting open source into education the better. Oh please, don't misunderstand me. I applaud the achievement and I am sure it will inspire new users to make the switch and share the goodness. My complaint, if any, is with the established user's who've whipped up the storm in a teacup which led to this decision to be distanced from Unity in the first place. It's also a little disappointing that memory sticks are having to be used, let's keep our fingers crossed that over time this project will flourish and the powers that be see the benefits of using a full install. I'd see getting the go ahead to install it on even one machine as a major breakthrough, the management accepting Ubuntu's value. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 05/05/12 19:53, Gareth France wrote: Oh please, don't misunderstand me. I applaud the achievement and I am sure it will inspire new users to make the switch and share the goodness. Well said sir Remember that as far as most managers are concerned in the state education sector, GNU/Linux IS the new BBC Micro/ Archimedes. Windows is normal to them. -- Cheers -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Well said sir Remember that as far as most managers are concerned in the state education sector, GNU/Linux IS the new BBC Micro/ Archimedes. Windows is normal to them. -- Cheers Oh there's nothing wrong with the BBC or Archimedes, just that they were old hat by the time I was in secondary school. A more accurate viewpoint from where I'm sitting is that Windows will be the next BBC. It went the way of the dinosaur in 2006 when my new other half rocked up using Ubuntu! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Hi! I'm actually the President of IfL -- so it sometimes helps in getting educational bodies to do things they normally wouldn't ;-) I'm not against Unity. I just think I need to get my little bunch of 'pioneers' used to something closer to what they're used to Windows-wise than go with the redesigned (and controversial) UI. I've discussed with my group the possibility of upgrading the memory sticks later in the course, as and when they're feeling confident. On 05/05/12 19:20, kpb wrote: On 05/05/12 19:00, Gareth France wrote: I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+ years of UI baggage. Hello Bea Really well done. Your experience has confirmed my resolve to run a couple of workshops at the FE College where I teach. I'll probably go for freebie/3 GLH type taster courses to begin with to test the water. FE Colleges get less 'developmental' funding than adult education centres. I'll offer it as staff development in June/July to begin with to see what activities work best. If the LibreOffice files for any of the resources below would help, just let me know and I'll pop the dropbox links here. I guess you have lots already for a 10 week course. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-4.pdf Unity 12.04 poster for those who use 10.04 http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/unity2dguide.pdf Unity 11.10 guide aimed at Windows people http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/live-cd-quick-start.pdf A Live CD guide. Gareth: My teenagers and 19-24 students can sort Unity in a minute or two when I lend them my little 1024/600px netbook in lessons. The adults struggle a bit to be honest. Would need an overview/explanation, but a 10 week course would be great. -- Beatrix E. Groves BA Hons (Educ) LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS President, Institute for Learning (IfL) General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) ~~ Email: beagro...@gmail.com Email: b...@beagroves.net Web:http://www.beagroves.net Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com ~~ Random Quote of the Day (chosen by my computer) - 'Hic jacet Arturus Rex quondam Rexque futurus' (T. H. White) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Bea Groves beagro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I'm actually the President of IfL -- so it sometimes helps in getting educational bodies to do things they normally wouldn't ;-) I'm not against Unity. I just think I need to get my little bunch of 'pioneers' used to something closer to what they're used to Windows-wise than go with the redesigned (and controversial) UI. I've discussed with my group the possibility of upgrading the memory sticks later in the course, as and when they're feeling confident. I didn't think you were against Unity, it's just you mentioned they you're avoiding it due to the controversy. I have attempted something just as ambitious myself but more sales based than learning. I have to admit it's not doing so well right now but the problem is more to do with my finances than the public's reaction to Ubuntu, -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 05/05/12 20:21, Bea Groves wrote: Hi! I'm actually the President of IfL -- so it sometimes helps in getting educational bodies to do things they normally wouldn't ;-) Er - yes I can see that you may have a bit of leverage there :-) So I can expect to see a write up in the next IfL news? Might help the rest of us! I'm not against Unity. I just think I need to get my little bunch of 'pioneers' used to something closer to what they're used to Windows-wise than go with the redesigned (and controversial) UI. I've discussed with my group the possibility of upgrading the memory sticks later in the course, as and when they're feeling confident. Probably very sensible move. On 05/05/12 19:20, kpb wrote: On 05/05/12 19:00, Gareth France wrote: I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+ years of UI baggage. Hello Bea Really well done. Your experience has confirmed my resolve to run a couple of workshops at the FE College where I teach. I'll probably go for freebie/3 GLH type taster courses to begin with to test the water. FE Colleges get less 'developmental' funding than adult education centres. I'll offer it as staff development in June/July to begin with to see what activities work best. If the LibreOffice files for any of the resources below would help, just let me know and I'll pop the dropbox links here. I guess you have lots already for a 10 week course. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-4.pdf Unity 12.04 poster for those who use 10.04 http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/unity2dguide.pdf Unity 11.10 guide aimed at Windows people http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/files/live-cd-quick-start.pdf A Live CD guide. Gareth: My teenagers and 19-24 students can sort Unity in a minute or two when I lend them my little 1024/600px netbook in lessons. The adults struggle a bit to be honest. Would need an overview/explanation, but a 10 week course would be great. -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Error report not working
On 5 May 2012 16:46, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/12 01:46, scoundrel50a wrote: Ok, did that, and as soon as the laptop started a crash report box appeared, blueman applet, so I went through the process again, and nothing happened, how do you know if the crash report gets to you, how do you know if its duplicate.all the reports I have sent I have had no messages back to say its been dealt with. So it sounds like it's not reporting the bug properly. What should happen is it should open a tab in your browser and take you to launchpad.net. You have internet connectivity when this happens? I thought that whoopsie could send an anonymous crash report without generating a bug report. Is that not what you mentioned in a previous thread about it sending 3 million crashes in the first 20 days after it was introduced? I assumed that is what was happening when I was told of a crash but it did not go on to ask me to report it as a bug. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 5 May 2012, at 10:50, Bea Groves beagro...@gmail.com wrote: I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) Erk. That's a shame. Unity is not going away and 10.10 is no longer supported. I'd seriously reconsider this move. 12.04 make more sense given its an LTS and thus has 5 years of support. I'll stay in touch if that's OK? If this is a success it might be possible to expand the curriculum to other boroughs across Tyneside. And then... who knows? My policy has been: show 'em how easy and fun it is, tell 'em it's free, and they'll never want Windows again. Sure, I'd love to help. Cheers, Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
