Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[James Saveker]

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Rob Beard wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 20:22 +, Kris Douglas wrote:
>>>  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched
>> an
>>>  old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing
>>>  about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the
>>>  family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.
>>>
>>>  Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a
>>>  new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to
>>>  give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple
>>>  of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give
>>>  Ubuntu a try?
>>>
>>>  If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.
>>>
>>>  I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.
>>>
>>>  Rob
>>
>> Reality-Podcast style, I like it.
>>
> 
> :-)
> 
> Might be better than reality TV too :D
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
Thanks for the Pod Cast folks!!!

This is great for Ubuntu advocacy in the UK. I am sorry to see some of
the negative comments you received.. makes no sense to me.

Some constructive criticism (which I think has already been mentioned)
is that the sound levels were somewhat unbalanced.

I did enjoy the interviews and look forward to the next episode :-)

Keep up the good work,

Jimbo.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Alistair Crust]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:03 +, alan c wrote:
> Alan Pope wrote:
> [...]
> 
> I really like the idea of a Ubuntu-UK podcast, I cannot listen to it 
> yet and am looking forward to it.
> 
> The main issue here seems to be one of people identifying with 
> Ubuntu-UK yet feeling alienated from a UK branded, creative, event. In 
> saying this I emphasise that this does not mean I believe that they 
> either were, or were not, alienated.
> 
> > In my opinion we had a common consensus "Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast". 
> 
> I have no problem with this, I did not follow its discussion anyway. I 
> am also ok if a bunch of people who want to, and who can, actually get 
> to do it and do not wait for greater authority, other comments, whatever.
> 
> However, there might have been advantage in a pre publication 'press 
> release' say, when more than half way through the process. If 
> resources were available, a few Q&A and comments. This would have 
> enabled some others to identify with the activity rather than later 
> being taken unawares. Pre-pub press release or similar with the 
> intention to inform is useful in a dispersed group to assist in 
> cohesion. Such a press release does not invite creative feeback or 
> review, just informs of actions and impending events. This can 
> strengthen the self confidence of the wider team.
> 
> Surprises are almost always of negative effect and if they can avoided 
> all the better. If the surprise is intentional, (hopefully not), then 
> the motives need review I suggest.
> 
> I look forward to more podcasts. FWIW the only podcast I (previously) 
> listened to is the linux action show.
> -- 
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> 

Motives and politics aside the whole "surprise" thing and the posts by
Chris Rowson (and subsequent discussion) have (and slightly counter
intuitively some may say) actually been constructive and helped. My
reasoning is this:

What are we all talking about now Ubuntu-UK podcast!, that's what.
That in itself has raised awareness of its existence and can only be a
good thing in my opinion.

Secondly Chris's posts, the discussion that has evolved and the issue of
inclusion and open discussion of the project. This has, as I see it, had
an affect that people who may not have expressed opinion are feeling
compelled to write posts (I include myself in this being a rather quiet
member of late), give praise, comments, suggestions etc etc... aka "Get
Involved". This too can only be a good thing in my opinion and would not
have happened without "the surprise" triggering his posts.

At this point though I would like to make an analogy. if you follow what
is meant then great, if you don't then congratulations you've just seen
an insight into my very odd mind.

Alcohol.. drink just a little can be a good thing, carry on drinking and
people do stupid things and/or pass-out (amongst other things). As I see
it it's the same with complaining about things past! So I call to put
complaining aside and concentrate on the walk back home to the nice warm
bed.

I believe no harm is done, the project has been realised AND people have
been told about it an asked for comments, sugestions... to help.

I would like to point out though in Chris's defence had that not
happened (the project remaining closed for assistance) then I think he
would have had a fully valid point. That however "didn't" happen so is a
mute point in this instance.

So now the project is running and "open" lets move to helping out "now"
rather than spending our efforts debating the finer points of "then". I
plan on doing my bit by promoting the podcast within our school and
possibly getting the kids to do reviews and suggestions.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Well I listened to it and I was really impressed.  I liked the interview 
with Becky, I was just getting into that and it seemed to me to cut a 
bit short, I presumed she had more to say.

Great work anyway guys.  Length wise, it's just right to listen to 
whilst driving into work, in a way I was eager for more, I guess it's 
because I'm used to the 45 minute rants (I mean editiorial) that Shane 
does on the great Retro Gaming Radio.

Any idea on how often the podcasts will be released, or is it a case of 
they'll be released when you guys have time to record and edit 
everything (including submitted things) together?

I wonder too if this is something that Linux Format might be able to 
stick on their cover DVD?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 20:22 +, Kris Douglas wrote:
> >  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched
> an
> >  old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing
> >  about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the
> >  family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.
> >
> >  Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a
> >  new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to
> >  give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple
> >  of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give
> >  Ubuntu a try?
> >
> >  If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.
> >
> >  I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.
> >
> >  Rob
> 
> 
> Reality-Podcast style, I like it.
> 

:-)

Might be better than reality TV too :D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Colin McCarthy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>  > On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>  >> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>  >>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume
> while the
>  >>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices
> when they
>  >>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>  >>
>  >>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
>  >
>  > Thanks Tony,
>  >
>  > I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Ciemon
>  >
> 
> I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what
> level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of
> level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page -
> http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature 
> one of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks 
> Levelator (http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out 
> the levels from a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well 
> considering our levels were all over the place!
> 
> Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.
> 
> Colin
> 

Sounds like a software version of what we have at work because some (not 
all) presenters either don't know about levels or don't really care.

Looks like a good application, I bet it'll save a lot of manual work.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Colin McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature one
> of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks Levelator
> (http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out the levels from
> a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well considering our levels
> were all over the place!
>
> Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.
>
> Colin


That sounds like a good idea, because you can get community members
skyping in, rather than having them in the studio... I mean i know
something similar happens now, but you could have voice questions or
something from community members.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>  > Andy et al,
>  >
>  > Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
>  > without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
>  > negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
>  >
>  > So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
>  > I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
>  >
>  > What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
>  > that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
>  > the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
>  > new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.
>  >
>  > I look forward to hearing from you all.
>  >
>  > Ciemon
>  > -cake master
>  >
>
>  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched an
>  old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing
>  about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the
>  family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.
>
>  Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a
>  new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to
>  give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple
>  of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give
>  Ubuntu a try?
>
>  If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.
>
>  I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.
>
>  Rob


Reality-Podcast style, I like it.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Colin McCarthy]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> > On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
> >>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
> >>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
> >>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
> >>
> >>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
> >
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ciemon
> >
>
> I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what
> level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of
> level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page -
> http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).
>
> Rob
>

Back when Kent LUG experimented with it's KLUGcasts (which did feature one
of Ubuntu-UK's presenters) I used The Conversations Networks Levelator (
http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator/) to sort out the levels from
a skype recorded podcast.  It worked very very well considering our levels
were all over the place!

Might we worth trying, as could save a lot of post production time.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Andy et al,
> 
> Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
> without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
> negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
> 
> So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
> I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
> 
> What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
> that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
> the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
> new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you all.
> 
> Ciemon
> -cake master
> 

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but having recently watched an 
old episode of Micro Live (from the BBC in the 80's) there was a thing 
about some footballer or someone buying his first computer for the 
family.  It was something like an Atari 800XL or something.

Anyway, I wonder if it would be interesting to follow the progress of a 
new Ubuntu user.  Not sure if you know someone local who's willing to 
give Ubuntu a try and maybe document how they get on from over a couple 
of episodes.  Maybe it might spur on other potential users to give 
Ubuntu a try?

If I think of any other ideas I'll e-mail them to the list.

I'm off to listen to the podcast whilst I do the washing up.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
>>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
>>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>>
>>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
> 
> Thanks Tony,
> 
> I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
> 
> Cheers,
> Ciemon
> 

I presume you should be able to set a target level (can't remember what 
level we use at work) and then make sure it stays around that sort of 
level (BBC use PPM6 which is about 8dB according to this page - 
http://www.bbcradioresources.com/TechnicalSpecificationBWAV/index.html).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Matthew Daubney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> alan c wrote:
>  > Colin McCarthy wrote:
>  >
>  >>  I can't stand podcasts with
>  >> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.
>  >
>  > I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad
>  > language is necessary to get the subject across.
>  >
>
>  Having listened to the podcast, and enjoyed it thoroughly I feel I can
>  add a comment here.
>
>  I think the language depends on your aim of the target audience. I quit
>  like lugradio because most of the time does just come across of a group
>  of people having a natter, which is very useful white noise when writing
>  reports and things. If you where to limit the language, sometimes this
>  could be a bit stifled.
>
>  Of course, here it's slightly different maybe. Where the ubuntu-uk
>  podcast seems a lot more topic focused (from the first episode anyway),
>  and from the presenters. percieved image based on their voices, I
>  think that preventing bad language appearing may help it's target
>  audience (general UK-ians interested in Ubuntu, and not more techy people)
>
>  Just my 2 pennies, if it makes sense, also, good job on an excellent
>  podcast, any chance of some hardware reviews? :-)
>

I agree, I actually find LUGradio amusing, whereas this was not so
amusing, it was interesting to listen to, and something to learn from,
its a different genre when compared to some of the ones with a bit of
offo-lingo in it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

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alan c wrote:
> Colin McCarthy wrote:
> 
>>  I can't stand podcasts with
>> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.
> 
> I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad 
> language is necessary to get the subject across.
> 

Having listened to the podcast, and enjoyed it thoroughly I feel I can
add a comment here.

I think the language depends on your aim of the target audience. I quit
like lugradio because most of the time does just come across of a group
of people having a natter, which is very useful white noise when writing
reports and things. If you where to limit the language, sometimes this
could be a bit stifled.

Of course, here it's slightly different maybe. Where the ubuntu-uk
podcast seems a lot more topic focused (from the first episode anyway),
and from the presenters. percieved image based on their voices, I
think that preventing bad language appearing may help it's target
audience (general UK-ians interested in Ubuntu, and not more techy people)

Just my 2 pennies, if it makes sense, also, good job on an excellent
podcast, any chance of some hardware reviews? :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Paul Mellors wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:53 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
>>>  other gadgets to do a little recording.
>>>
>>>  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
>>>  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
>>>
>>>  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
>>>  podcast introduce themselves.
>>>
>>>  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  Ciemon
>>>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
>> page seemed to have been created here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
>>
>> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
>> did this migrate away into a private project?
>>
>> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>> little to do with it.
>>
>> Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
>> all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
>> apologise unreservedly.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
> To say i'm a litle miffed off is a understatement:)
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 

How I see it, it's a start.  Maybe in the future we could all maybe chip 
in things for future pod casts?

(I'd love to chip something in, even if it's just an excuse to get more 
experience working in a professional radio studio - something I should 
really know for my job working in a radio station, but currently being a 
trainee broadcast engineer and full time IT bod/Ubuntu promoter).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Rob Beard]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Great, I'll have a listen when I've finished upgrading Hardy :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[alan c]

Colin McCarthy wrote:

>  I can't stand podcasts with
> [...] and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

I listened to one such, and did not return.  I do not think bad 
language is necessary to get the subject across.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Dave Murphy]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:58:27 +
"Kris Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Ciemon
> >  -cake master
> 
> Mmm cake.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
[...]

I really like the idea of a Ubuntu-UK podcast, I cannot listen to it 
yet and am looking forward to it.

The main issue here seems to be one of people identifying with 
Ubuntu-UK yet feeling alienated from a UK branded, creative, event. In 
saying this I emphasise that this does not mean I believe that they 
either were, or were not, alienated.

> In my opinion we had a common consensus "Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast". 

I have no problem with this, I did not follow its discussion anyway. I 
am also ok if a bunch of people who want to, and who can, actually get 
to do it and do not wait for greater authority, other comments, whatever.

However, there might have been advantage in a pre publication 'press 
release' say, when more than half way through the process. If 
resources were available, a few Q&A and comments. This would have 
enabled some others to identify with the activity rather than later 
being taken unawares. Pre-pub press release or similar with the 
intention to inform is useful in a dispersed group to assist in 
cohesion. Such a press release does not invite creative feeback or 
review, just informs of actions and impending events. This can 
strengthen the self confidence of the wider team.

Surprises are almost always of negative effect and if they can avoided 
all the better. If the surprise is intentional, (hopefully not), then 
the motives need review I suggest.

I look forward to more podcasts. FWIW the only podcast I (previously) 
listened to is the linux action show.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy et al,
>
>  Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
>  without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
>  negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.
>
>  So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
>  I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.
>
>  What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
>  that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
>  the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
>  new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.

Maybe someone that's working on the new Gnome updates (gvfs, is it?)
or the soon arriving Hardy release?

>
>  I look forward to hearing from you all.
>
>  Ciemon
>  -cake master

Mmm cake.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

Andy et al,

Thanks for all the feedback, and I do mean all. Nothing ever happens
without a negative side, and the secret is in understanding the
negativity so that it can be appreciated for the next time.

So far I think the only real criticism/comment has been the fact that
I was too far away from the mic which is easily fixed.

What we really need now is content suggestions, preferably recorded so
that we can play it in the show. So what do you want to hear about? As
the least technical member of the team I'm keen to make sure that the
new user is catered for as much  as the experienced.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

Ciemon
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Tony Arnold
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  LOL! "the content was sound"! What else would it be on a podcast:-)

Haha, sound as in good.

.. I thought it would be suitably appropriate =]

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

>
> I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music, there
> is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
> anything else.

To be fair there's only me whinging about the music.

>
> I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
> just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

Agreed. I enjoyed the interview with Becky Hogge. Nicely done.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just listening to the podcast now.  It's sounding good to me - the
> levels do need honing a small bit, but it's a brilliant first attempt.
>
> For future reference, I'm currently in the process of having a recording
> studio/'big soundproofed garage' being built at my home.  I should hope
> to be able to invite a few 'ubuntu-uk'-ers to record a Birmingham-based
> episode in a few weeks (when it's finished).
>
> I like the guest that you've got on the show - nice spread.
>
> I can understand Chris' p.o.v. regarding the fact that he volunteered
> and heard nothing until this announcement.  Perhaps a future 'protocol'
> would be to let everyone who has 'volunteered' know that the project is
> moving ahead without letting everyone else in the community know.

Well now we know :)

> Hopefully we won't have lost Chris's contribution due to this, and we
> have a nice healthy podcast that we can take forward and make our own.

I agree, and your recording studio idea sounds good, a really nice
offer for the guys, I believe there are quite a few people hovering
around the Birmingham area... We will see


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Colin McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music,
> there is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
> anything else.


The music was pretty classy, and I think that it was very different, as
Ubuntu is a very different operating system, its quite appropriate :)


>
>
> I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
> just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.


Haha, *cough*lugradio*cough* Although, I do really like lugradio... This was
more mature, more suitable, and the interviews really did make it a proper
podcast, that was of use to us.


>
>
> The TWIT.tv network produces a show called FLOSS WEEKLY, ironically about
> twice a year, but the main attraction of the show is the interviews with
> open source people.  I hope the Ubuntu-UK podcasters can get enough great
> interviews recorded to continue the brilliant start they have made with
> episode 1.
>
>
I agree, even if its not a very frequent release cycle, it would be nice to
keep some good Open Source Software and tech guys in to talk about topics.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Tony Arnold]

Kris Douglas wrote:

> Cool, I did notice some small issues with the audio, but the content was
> sound.

LOL! "the content was sound"! What else would it be on a podcast:-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[andy]

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Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Ciemon,

Just listening to the podcast now.  It's sounding good to me - the
levels do need honing a small bit, but it's a brilliant first attempt.

For future reference, I'm currently in the process of having a recording
studio/'big soundproofed garage' being built at my home.  I should hope
to be able to invite a few 'ubuntu-uk'-ers to record a Birmingham-based
episode in a few weeks (when it's finished).

I like the guest that you've got on the show - nice spread.

I can understand Chris' p.o.v. regarding the fact that he volunteered
and heard nothing until this announcement.  Perhaps a future 'protocol'
would be to let everyone who has 'volunteered' know that the project is
moving ahead without letting everyone else in the community know.

Hopefully we won't have lost Chris's contribution due to this, and we
have a nice healthy podcast that we can take forward and make our own.

Well done guys.

Andy L


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Colin McCarthy]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ciemon Dunville wrote:
>
> > > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> > > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> > >
> > > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> > > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> > >
> > > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > > podcast introduce themselves.
> > >
> > > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> >
> >
> Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been presented
> with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and contribute to...
> Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating an
> incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something to give
> Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.
>
> Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
> Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!
>
>
>
> --
>

I also enjoyed the show.  I can't see why people don't like the music, there
is not too much of it, its fun and upbeat and completely different to
anything else.

I think the interviews really made the show.  I can't stand podcasts with
just rehashed news and the general BS and swearing that goes on.

The TWIT.tv network produces a show called FLOSS WEEKLY, ironically about
twice a year, but the main attraction of the show is the interviews with
open source people.  I hope the Ubuntu-UK podcasters can get enough great
interviews recorded to continue the brilliant start they have made with
episode 1.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

> Ok then, Ciemon, Alan & all other people associated with the creation of
> this podcast. I'm sorry for interrupting your release post. I just think
> that you deserve a little more appreciation than you received.
>
> I really like your Podcast, and I hope that some development time can be
> applied to it to polish it. Excuse me for being such an arse, I hate taking
> the piss and moaning, but its just some people don't know something good has
> happened when they see it.
>
> Kris
>
>

As I would also like to go on record as saying that the podcast was
good. (I believe I commented on that did I not?)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Chris Rowson <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and
> some
> > > > > > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio
> > files,
> > > > > > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > > > > > podcast introduce themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been
> presented
> > > > with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and
> contribute
> > to...
> > > > Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating
> an
> > > > incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something
> to
> > give
> > > > Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
> > > > Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kris Douglas
> > >
> > > Dear Kris,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry mate - I'm obviously a total a**hole.
> > >
> > > How dare I question why I didn't get a chance to help out with this
> > > despite volunteering in the first place (along with quite a few others
> > > from the 'team'). Your email has put us all right in our places and
> > > shown us why it was right to build the ubuntu-uk podcast site and
> > > infrastructure for the ubuntu-uk podcasts without consulting any
> > > ubuntu-uk members.
> > >
> > > What low life scum I am.
> > >
> > > You know what Kris, it's comments like that that make me wonder why on
> > > earth I even bother.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, come on, Its been done, its been released, why can you appreciate
> it?
> > Now it has been setup, its a starting point, rather than a load of
> waffle on
> > a mailing list planning stuff, when its never going to get done... now
> we DO
> > HAVE something to work on, rather than thin air, maybe the community
> should
> > have been contacted, but when they all pile in with decisions, it just
> stops
> > things happening, so now we have something we can start implementing
> > decisions, so, it's quite possible you that is being the  expletive
> > here>, as you seem to be just one of the people that are stopping
> progress,
> > stopping things happening, so now it HAS happened, and now things can be
> > done to improve it.
> >
> > I do not appreciate being sent emails directly to my email, especially
> when
> > it is some form of insulting comment, so i'm posting this to the Ubuntu
> > mailing list, what a nice effing community we have here!
> >
> > Have a nice effing day!
> >
> > Kris Douglas
> >
> >
>
> That was rather silly of you Kris,
>
> I emailed you directly so that I didn't 'taint' the announcement of
> Alan's new podcast with any more argument on the mailing list.
>
> Still, if it made you feel like a big man - good for you.
>
> Chris
>

Ok then, Ciemon, Alan & all other people associated with the creation of
this podcast. I'm sorry for interrupting your release post. I just think
that you deserve a little more appreciation than you received.

I really like your Podcast, and I hope that some development time can be
applied to it to polish it. Excuse me for being such an arse, I hate taking
the piss and moaning, but its just some people don't know something good has
happened when they see it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
> >  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
> >  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
> >  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
> >
> >  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.
>
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2
>
> Cheers,
> Ciemon
>

Cool, I did notice some small issues with the audio, but the content was
sound.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Kris Douglas]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:

> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> > other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> > The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> > and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> > I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> > podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> > Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>
>
Well, I don't know why you are all moaning, you have just been presented
with a nice new podcast that you can influence, evolve and contribute to...
Have some gratitude to these people that spent their time creating an
incredibly nice website, a great first episode/pilot and something to give
Ubuntu-Uk a bit more of a voice.

Thank you for creating this, it will be a really good thing for the
Ubuntu-UK guys to work on. Fantastic!



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

On 11/03/2008, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
>  between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
>  intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
>  came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.
>
>  Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.

Thanks Tony,

I was particularly quiet, but that'll be fixed for episode 2

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Tony Arnold]

Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/

Just a comment on the quality. The sound levels seem inconsistent
between the voices and the music. I turned down the volume while the
intro music was playing then I could hardly hear the voices when they
came on. I downloaded the ogg/low version, FYI.

Otherwise, really great effort! Keep them coming.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[norman]

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> >  other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> >  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> >  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> >  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> >  podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> >  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/

I have read the comments so far and I am puzzled. If the object of the
exercise was to reproduce various interviews accompanied by visual
stimulation and accompanied by some jolly music then I believe the
object has been achieved. If, however, this was not the object then I
apologise for poking my oar in. 

I cannot see how the content could be decided by a few hundred folk
putting their ideas forward and then setting up some sort of voting
system to choose the 'popular suggestions'. Then of course script has to
be written, spokespersons appointed, recording sessions set up by remote
control to overcome distance, editing and, of course the site has to be
set up monitored and maintained. 

In my view what is needed is a small number of dedicated and skillful
persons to set the thing up and get it going and then hand it over to
the masses to get on with it.

Oh dear, what have I written? Isn't this what has happened? 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 04:38:19PM +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> I'm mega tired at the moment, I've had flu for a few days now and I
> can't be bothered to debate this to be fair. I'll say what I've got to
> say and then I'll shut up.
> 

If you don't want to debate it then don't mail. Please don't mail and expect 
me not to reply though. 

> I think it must have occured to you that some people who had
> 'volunteered' to help create a podcast may be a little surprised to
> find that it suddenly arrived out of the blue.
> 

Surprised yes. That was the general idea. Everyone should be surprised given 
there were 5 people involved in the creation, a few interviewees, and about 
a half dozen people who have been asked to be interviewed, I'd say it's 
fair for the rest of the planet to categorise themselves as "surprised".

> Unfortunately ubuntu-uk is an informal group and people can't make
> overriding 'executive' decisions to "deliberately keep people out of
> the loop" (as Al suggests) of community based projects.

I don't believe we do need to consult everyone about everything. We'll have 
to disagree on that point and move on.

I'd like to re-iterate that we welcome contrbutions and comments. They help 
us to build a better podcast.

> What we do as
> ubuntu-uk we should always try to do with a common consensus.

In my opinion we had a common consensus "Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast". 
That fact that _nobody_ actually got off their arses to do it speaks 
volumes. We however, did.

> We can't
> decide not to involve people because we mightn't like their
> suggestions.
> 

You're making an assumption about the reason why we didn't get people 
involved early on. It wasn't because we might not like their suggestions. As
I explained, we wanted to get something created. Now the infrastructure is 
there, we _welcome_ contributions from _everyone_. 

> That's my whinge over with. I'm just asking you to consider if you
> could have done this differently?
> 

We deliberated about it and decided that the way we want was the right thing 
to do.

> From a constructive POV. I've have listened to the podcast and it's
> not bad at all.  I'm sure it will develop over time as presenters find
> their personalities etc.  If I have any criticism it would be of the
> music. It's a bit naff and I don't like it. That's just me though!
> 

I appreciate that some don't like the music. I didn't choose it, but I love 
it. Find me a piece of music _everyone_ likes. I'll give you a quid for 
every one you find. Good luck.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/03/2008, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>  >  ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>  >  little to do with it.
>
>  Chris,
>
>  Has anything actually changed? All that's happened is that the first
>  podcast is out. All of the points on that page are still valid, and I
>  think it's important that contributions are made by everyone.
>
>  Without those contributions it some might argue that it is the
>  Ubuntu-UK podcast. But, the four of us live close together, with some
>  decent quality recording gear and can meet regularly. I believe we've
>  set the base level of content and quality, it's done, started, and I
>  hope now, that the enthusiasm in that list will come forward in
>  contributions.
>
>
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Ciemon

I'm mega tired at the moment, I've had flu for a few days now and I
can't be bothered to debate this to be fair. I'll say what I've got to
say and then I'll shut up.

I think it must have occured to you that some people who had
'volunteered' to help create a podcast may be a little surprised to
find that it suddenly arrived out of the blue.

Unfortunately ubuntu-uk is an informal group and people can't make
overriding 'executive' decisions to "deliberately keep people out of
the loop" (as Al suggests) of community based projects. What we do as
ubuntu-uk we should always try to do with a common consensus. We can't
decide not to involve people because we mightn't like their
suggestions.

That's my whinge over with. I'm just asking you to consider if you
could have done this differently?

>From a constructive POV. I've have listened to the podcast and it's
not bad at all.  I'm sure it will develop over time as presenters find
their personalities etc.  If I have any criticism it would be of the
music. It's a bit naff and I don't like it. That's just me though!

Chris.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Alan Pope]

Hi Chris,

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 03:53:23PM +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
> page seemed to have been created here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
> 

That's right. Quite a few people signed up to help as well, which bodes 
well.

> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
> did this migrate away into a private project?
> 

Actually no, we didn't send out information about the project until now. The 
reason for this was to enable us to concentrate on getting episode one out, 
with a decent (in my opinion) website, hosting, bandwidth and so on. 

In the past the discussions seemed to get bogged down or stalled entirely. 
We created episode one to enable us to prove that we could do it, prove that 
the technology worked and build a framework in which the whole Ubuntu UK 
community can contribute.

> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
> little to do with it.
> 

There was of course nothing stopping anyone creating a podcast in the past. 
But they didn't. We did. That doesn't mean nobody else can take part. Far 
from it. In the podcast actually asked for contributions, but I guess you 
haven't had time to listen to the podcast yet, so wouldn't know that.

It was entirely deliberate to keep everyone "out of the loop" and I take 
full responsibility for that decision, and stand by it fully.

I hope you can appreciate why and I would like to invite anyone who would 
like to take part, to contact us and let us know! I look forward to hearing 
from you!

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Ciemon Dunville]

On 11/03/2008, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
>  ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
>  little to do with it.

Chris,

Has anything actually changed? All that's happened is that the first
podcast is out. All of the points on that page are still valid, and I
think it's important that contributions are made by everyone.

Without those contributions it some might argue that it is the
Ubuntu-UK podcast. But, the four of us live close together, with some
decent quality recording gear and can meet regularly. I believe we've
set the base level of content and quality, it's done, started, and I
hope now, that the enthusiasm in that list will come forward in
contributions.

Cheers

Ciemon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Paul Mellors]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:53 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> >  other gadgets to do a little recording.
> >
> >  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> >  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> >
> >  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> >  podcast introduce themselves.
> >
> >  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> >  Ciemon
> >
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
> page seemed to have been created here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal
> 
> Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
> did this migrate away into a private project?
> 
> I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
> ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
> little to do with it.
> 
> Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
> all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
> apologise unreservedly.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
To say i'm a litle miffed off is a understatement:)

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Paul Mellors]

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:28 +, Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Good idea, wish i'd thought of it myself :(

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

[Chris Rowson]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ciemon Dunville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
>  other gadgets to do a little recording.
>
>  The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
>  and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
>
>  I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
>  podcast introduce themselves.
>
>  Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Ciemon
>

Hi folks.

The last time I remember hearing any discussion about this, a planning
page seemed to have been created here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastProposal

Were all the interested parties noted on that page kept involved, or
did this migrate away into a private project?

I'm not being awkward, but it's harder to consider this the definitive
ubuntu-uk podcast if the ubuntu-uk team (as a whole) have had very
little to do with it.

Of course I could just be totally out of the loop and missed out on
all the planning and discussion surrounding this. If that's so then I
apologise unreservedly.

Cheers

Chris

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