Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
Hey Jai, I'm not sure what you are looking for in terms of specs, but you don't really need to purchase the laptop with Ubuntu...Ubuntu is very easy to install, and there's a huge chance that everything will be recognized. I've installed Ubuntu on 5 different machines and so far no worries. I wouldn't really tack on a warranty per say, but then again, I guess it's not a bad idea for laptops when it comes to hardware. Will you be taking it everywhere you go? Or is this just for a replacement desktop? Or perhaps look into the Asus 901/1000? I'm late into the email thread about your laptop so sorry if this has all been brought up already! ~Liz BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support Open Source! On 2 Sep 2008, at 22:52, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey, I've been looking at the Inspiron 1525 specs and sadly I'm not too good with hardware. I'm under the assumption that I at least need to pick the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (an extra £90.01) to make it into a decent machine. The Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) isn't so much better than the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) as to justify an additional £70 on top, is it? I'm really not very good at reading hardware specs :x Then I figure I need the 3 year warranty and might as well add a fourth year as it's only another £18 on top of the 3 years (total for 4 years warranty: £83.40). Doubling the RAM to 2GB is a decent idea (at just £20) and then I was wondering if it's worth paying an extra £30 for a 1440x900 resolution instead of the standard 1280x800. I contacted a sales rep and was sad to hear that the keyboards have Windows logos on the Super button but I figure that's to be expected really. Anyhow, major thanks to anyone who will help me with the hardware choices for the Inspiron 1525. Jai On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I originally looked I completely missed the Inspiron 1525. I could have sworn there were 2 desktops I'll take a look at the Inspiron 1525 now and, no, my dad isn't paying :( lol. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). They offer the 1525, too: http://tinyurl.com/39m5sr Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Jai Harrison wrote: snip Then I figure I need the 3 year warranty and might as well add a fourth year as it's only another £18 on top of the 3 years (total for 4 years warranty: £83.40). Jai I've bought several Dells (desktops and laptops) over the years, and I've never felt the need to pay for more warranty on top of the one-year warranty Dell gives you anyway. My thinking on this has been (a) Anything that's faulty is likely to fail fairly early on in the life of the machine; otherwise the probability of breakdown is low (b) Dell's extended warranty is a very expensive way of insuring against a low-probability event. So in my view the risk is not worth the expense. I have had one or two failures within the first year, and Dell have fixed them for free. But the *very* few things I've had to get fixed myself within the next three years have cost me nothing like insurance premium Dell charge. (Actually, the only thing I can think of is a NIC that cost less than a tenner.) That's been my experience. But let's see what others think. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mac wrote: So in my view the risk is not worth the expense. I have had one or two failures within the first year, and Dell have fixed them for free. But the *very* few things I've had to get fixed myself within the next three years have cost me nothing like insurance premium Dell charge. (Actually, the only thing I can think of is a NIC that cost less than a tenner.) I cannot speak for Dell. My girlfriend bought a Samsung laptop in around 2003. Nothing went wrong in the first year, then in years 2 3 a problem with the screen connector kept recurring, the onboard power supply socket needed replacing, and the external power supply connector needed replacing twice. None of these were through abuse, more design flaws (or revenue generating features). Anyway, our lack of expertise meant our local computer shop did the repairs, the total probably coming to something in the order of £300. Additionally I have had to replace the hard drive for her too. But laptops are so much cheaper nowadays - back then she paid £900 for this machine and it was middle of the road spec - so you would need to take into account the value of the machine you are buying. Plus, as noted, I'm not speaking for Dell and Mac rates them as being far more reliable :) - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvkuXJ+Auntu1v4QRAnq3AJ9veI2nQ4iiPVbUDXI4Zvtcu3dVrwCePv+d 5SF2UXfY4Ghs0Khfi6Pj2R0= =4WYV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:32 +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mac wrote: So in my view the risk is not worth the expense. I have had one or two failures within the first year, and Dell have fixed them for free. But the *very* few things I've had to get fixed myself within the next three years have cost me nothing like insurance premium Dell charge. (Actually, the only thing I can think of is a NIC that cost less than a tenner.) I cannot speak for Dell. My girlfriend bought a Samsung laptop in around 2003. Nothing went wrong in the first year, then in years 2 3 a problem with the screen connector kept recurring, the onboard power supply socket needed replacing, and the external power supply connector needed replacing twice. None of these were through abuse, more design flaws (or revenue generating features). Sorry but I have to stick up for the particular OEM here a little. I have worked closely with the staff of this OEM and been involved in meetings with 3 of the designers of a certain product that is shipped here in the UK. In the first meeting one of the designers of this product uttered the now immortal words This product will not break! and was very serious, which kind of worried some of us as we were contracted to repair them if and when they wrong and paid per repair. :-) Design flaws or revenue generating features are not a purposeful part of this companies products and great pride by what my colleagues and I saw in what they create was very evident. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philip Wyett wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:32 +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: None of these were through abuse, more design flaws (or revenue generating features). [snip] Design flaws or revenue generating features are not a purposeful part of this companies products and great pride by what my colleagues and I saw in what they create was very evident. Heh! Just for the record I was being facetious, so nobody sue me! ... my day job pays me to be a programmer. I never write bugs, well not intentionally anyway. I am sure that manufacturers wouldn't manufacture defects on purpose either. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvlM2J+Auntu1v4QRAlSHAJ9qfrVu+ciWMTtMf4HQJ0r/9+IqeQCgg9yD i7ZISVM+V9/972RYc6TjQ2o= =WlYC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
I cannot buy a laptop without a warranty. That would be careless because in my experience laptops do break in the 2nd and 3rd years of owning them. The Dell extended warranty is quite expensive but I intend to have the laptop for the duration of University and so not having the lifeline is most likely a bad idea. £83.40 does sound like a lot for 4 years warranty on a product that Dell is meant to believe won't break but I don't really have a choice when it comes down to it. Liz, the machines that don't ship with Ubuntu usually have some non-working hardware (e.g. a SD reader, etc.). If I buy a machine that comes with it then I know I won't have any of those problems that I've encountered with running Ubuntu since the start. The ultraportables are quite expensive for what they are. I have looked into them but don't think they would serve well as a general purpose machine (only as a supplemental one - and I can't afford multiple machines). Furthermore the Asus Eee PC 1000H is not available with GNU/Linux in the UK as of yet and the demand for the higher priced Windows Asus Eee PC 1000Hs is making everyone overcharge for those too. What I really want to know is what specs seem suitable for the next 3 years of Uni. I'm expecting to have to pick some of the higher end hardware on the Inspiron 1525 and want some assistance in doing so. Is there a substantial difference between the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) and the Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) to make it worth the extra £70? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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2008/9/3 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a substantial difference between the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) and the Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) to make it worth the extra £70? I always think that is the wrong way to approach the problem. You will always get more performance, and you do really want more performance, the more money you spend. Therefore, what you should decide first is how much can you afford in total. Set your budget first, then start shopping round for the features you need. That will mainly depend on what you expect to do with the machine. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Jai, Jai Harrison wrote: What I really want to know is what specs seem suitable for the next 3 years of Uni. I'm expecting to have to pick some of the higher end hardware on the Inspiron 1525 and want some assistance in doing so. Is there a substantial difference between the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) and the Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) to make it worth the extra £70? I think it really depends on what sort of things you intend doing with this machine. If it is a significant amount of cpu intensive stuff, then the extra speed and cache would most likley be useful. Or you could go with the advice I was given a while ago and that is always buy the highest spec machine you can afford, so if the £70 is not an issue then go for it! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Stephen O'Neill wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: £83.40 does sound like a lot for 4 years warranty on a product that Dell is meant to believe won't break but I don't really have a choice when it comes down to it. It all depends on the replacement value of the machine - if it's a £1000 machine it's good value, if it's £300 then probably not. Yes, that's very true -- I don't think I've ever paid more than £500-ish for computer, so an almost-twenty-percent addition for insurance has always seemed OTT! But I do take Jai's point that his laptop is 'operation critical' for three years of University, so he needs not to have to worry about getting it fixed. The peace of mind is worth the £83.40, I guess. Jai But do also get an external drive, too, for regular backups: your data (university work) will be worth *much* more than your laptop after only a few months of your course! As for the spec, as folk are saying, decide what you can afford, and review what your *important* reasons for having a laptop are. If your course needs, say, a lot of heavy number-crunching or video editing, or you will *have* to play fast and furious games to avoid going insane in the evenings (!) prioritise a powerful processor; if you'll mostly be writing and browsing, prioritise more RAM. But in any case spend more leisure time with people than with your laptop! ;-) Very best wishes Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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snip My girlfriend bought a Samsung laptop in around 2003. Nothing went wrong in the first year, then in years 2 3 a problem with the screen connector kept recurring, the onboard power supply socket needed replacing, and the *external power supply connector needed replacing* twice. *None of these were through abuse, more design flaws* (or revenue generating features). snip Err, I'll have to disagree on that one, power connectors are designed to connect power to a laptop. NOT to withstand being dragged around the living room/bedroom/etc or be passed from person to person. There will always be a slight play in the connector and a year of being 'wiggled' with destroy either the plug/socket or the sockets mounting to the motherboard/powerboard. Stick the laptop on a desk when it's being charged and the connector will outlast the rest of the machine. Despite being called 'laptops' this is the last place you should be using them... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:04 +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philip Wyett wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:32 +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: None of these were through abuse, more design flaws (or revenue generating features). [snip] Design flaws or revenue generating features are not a purposeful part of this companies products and great pride by what my colleagues and I saw in what they create was very evident. Heh! Just for the record I was being facetious, so nobody sue me! ... my day job pays me to be a programmer. I never write bugs, well not intentionally anyway. I am sure that manufacturers wouldn't manufacture defects on purpose either. I don't think the corporate lawyers will come after you for being slightly annoyed for a notebook going south not too far out of it's warranty. Now download an mp3 track that may not pay for and the lawyer pack will be on you for hurting the poor starving record companies! ;-) Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:35 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: I cannot buy a laptop without a warranty. That would be careless because in my experience laptops do break in the 2nd and 3rd years of owning them. The Dell extended warranty is quite expensive but I intend to have the laptop for the duration of University and so not having the lifeline is most likely a bad idea. £83.40 does sound like a lot for 4 years warranty on a product that Dell is meant to believe won't break but I don't really have a choice when it comes down to it. It actually is a shame you have to pay for 3 years of extra warranty. In Europe the minimum warranty from the manufacturer is 2 years and not the 12 months we get. We want two years warranty! Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 11:40 +0100, LeeGroups wrote: snip My girlfriend bought a Samsung laptop in around 2003. Nothing went wrong in the first year, then in years 2 3 a problem with the screen connector kept recurring, the onboard power supply socket needed replacing, and the *external power supply connector needed replacing* twice. *None of these were through abuse, more design flaws* (or revenue generating features). snip Err, I'll have to disagree on that one, power connectors are designed to connect power to a laptop. NOT to withstand being dragged around the living room/bedroom/etc or be passed from person to person. There will always be a slight play in the connector and a year of being 'wiggled' with destroy either the plug/socket or the sockets mounting to the motherboard/powerboard. Stick the laptop on a desk when it's being charged and the connector will outlast the rest of the machine. Despite being called 'laptops' this is the last place you should be using them... Are they called 'laptops' anymore after the old my battery burn't my legs and combustible battery saga. Aren't they now not all referred to as 'notebooks' just to satisfy the lawyers? Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Hey guys, I'm quite a computer loving person and would like to be able to try and use FOSS applications that come out during the time I am at University. I'd also like to be able to emulate consoles up to, and including, PS1 so that I can play the older games I love and no longer have functional consoles for. My current laptop has a Intel Pentium M 715 / 1.5 GHz and so I would like to build upon it. Which is why the the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) is essential. Then I'll have 2 gig of RAM where I currently have 512mb. I have a 100GB HDD at the moment but a 120GB HDD (standard) is fine anyway as I can always buy an external HDD for storage. I'm thinking it'll be £492.41 or £522.41 (both including VAT and shipping) depending on whether I want the 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display with TrueLife or the 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA+ (1440 x 900) Display with TrueLife. I just have to check my savings and see if I can really part with that cash. Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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You should check your bank account TCs - our Barclays Additions a/c comes with a free 1 year extended warranties on any products purchased (ie. on top of the manufacturers) as long as you register them within 90 days. Also get free breakdown cover, travel insurance and allsorts. http://www.personal.barclays.co.uk/PFS/A/Content/Files/9909245_Extended_Warranty.pdf Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 12:13 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey guys, I'm quite a computer loving person and would like to be able to try and use FOSS applications that come out during the time I am at University. I'd also like to be able to emulate consoles up to, and including, PS1 so that I can play the older games I love and no longer have functional consoles for. My current laptop has a Intel Pentium M 715 / 1.5 GHz and so I would like to build upon it. Which is why the the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) is essential. Then I'll have 2 gig of RAM where I currently have 512mb. I have a 100GB HDD at the moment but a 120GB HDD (standard) is fine anyway as I can always buy an external HDD for storage. I'm thinking it'll be £492.41 or £522.41 (both including VAT and shipping) depending on whether I want the 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) Display with TrueLife or the 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA+ (1440 x 900) Display with TrueLife. I just have to check my savings and see if I can really part with that cash. Jai Try the link below for comparison against machines you are looking at. Better spec, good German build quality and cheaper than the prices you listed above. ;-) http://tiny.cc/AuO8M The notebook I linked to is all Intel chips so should be fine with Ubuntu. :-) Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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It actually is a shame you have to pay for 3 years of extra warranty. In Europe the minimum warranty from the manufacturer is 2 years and not the 12 months we get. We want two years warranty! I thought UK is part of EU .. :) Well according to EU laws anyone who sells equipment in EU must offer 2 years warranty.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] for now http://www.orion.gr -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LeeGroups wrote: Err, I'll have to disagree on that one, power connectors are designed to connect power to a laptop. NOT to withstand being dragged around the living room/bedroom/etc or be passed from person to person. There will always be a slight play in the connector and a year of being 'wiggled' with destroy either the plug/socket or the sockets mounting to the motherboard/powerboard. Stick the laptop on a desk when it's being charged and the connector will outlast the rest of the machine. Erm, ok ... I could continue to argue the toss, but shalln't. - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvnkeJ+Auntu1v4QRApniAJ4iUf+Rf8l/muZYedH/wF3gJRriVACfaFgy pVfVVEMPXsBbs35wVqVk5dE= =aP0s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 12:40 +0100, Angelos Chatzikostas wrote: It actually is a shame you have to pay for 3 years of extra warranty. In Europe the minimum warranty from the manufacturer is 2 years and not the 12 months we get. We want two years warranty! I thought UK is part of EU .. :) Well according to EU laws anyone who sells equipment in EU must offer 2 years warranty.. The UK kinda didn't bother with that EU directive and we get stuffed with 12 months. :-( This is something I will be bringing up with my local MP the next time I see him because is really is annoying. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I actually have just bought a dell xps M1530 laptop and did a screen upgrade to the wxga and i think it is worth every penny extra. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Wyett Sent: 03 September 2008 12:49 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 12:40 +0100, Angelos Chatzikostas wrote: It actually is a shame you have to pay for 3 years of extra warranty. In Europe the minimum warranty from the manufacturer is 2 years and not the 12 months we get. We want two years warranty! I thought UK is part of EU .. :) Well according to EU laws anyone who sells equipment in EU must offer 2 years warranty.. The UK kinda didn't bother with that EU directive and we get stuffed with 12 months. :-( This is something I will be bringing up with my local MP the next time I see him because is really is annoying. Regards Phil __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3410 (20080903) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:35 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: What I really want to know is what specs seem suitable for the next 3 years of Uni. I'm expecting to have to pick some of the higher end hardware on the Inspiron 1525 and want some assistance in doing so. Is there a substantial difference between the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) and the Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) to make it worth the extra £70? I'd think carefully here. What degree are you doing and will you *need* some windows software? A couple of the departments where I am expect you to be able to do some things with windows only programs. I'd check with them what's expected first (and take it with a pinch of salt) as it may be worthwhile getting a windows machine and dual booting (or forking out for windows to run in a VM, at which point you want lots of RAM) -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I figured in the end that I'd get the Inspiron 1525 on the Ubuntu Dell site with the following modifications: Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) - N-Series [add £90.01] Linux Only, 4Yr In-Home Warranty Support, including evenings and Saturdays [add £83.40] Commotion Design Pattern with Custom High-Gloss Finish [add £29.00] (maybe another design but they're the same price) 15.4 Wide Screen WXGA+ (1440 x 900) Display with TrueLife™ [add £30.00] 2048MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024] [add £20.00] I should be able to sufficiently run Windows XP in a virtual machine with that if I need to, right? I haven't bought anything just yet though as I'm giving myself a bit of time to think about it. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Matthew Daubney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:35 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: What I really want to know is what specs seem suitable for the next 3 years of Uni. I'm expecting to have to pick some of the higher end hardware on the Inspiron 1525 and want some assistance in doing so. Is there a substantial difference between the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) and the Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) to make it worth the extra £70? I'd think carefully here. What degree are you doing and will you *need* some windows software? A couple of the departments where I am expect you to be able to do some things with windows only programs. I'd check with them what's expected first (and take it with a pinch of salt) as it may be worthwhile getting a windows machine and dual booting (or forking out for windows to run in a VM, at which point you want lots of RAM) -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Hey, I've been looking at the Inspiron 1525 specs and sadly I'm not too good with hardware. I'm under the assumption that I at least need to pick the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (an extra £90.01) to make it into a decent machine. The Intel(R) Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.10 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache) isn't so much better than the Intel Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache) as to justify an additional £70 on top, is it? I'm really not very good at reading hardware specs :x Then I figure I need the 3 year warranty and might as well add a fourth year as it's only another £18 on top of the 3 years (total for 4 years warranty: £83.40). Doubling the RAM to 2GB is a decent idea (at just £20) and then I was wondering if it's worth paying an extra £30 for a 1440x900 resolution instead of the standard 1280x800. I contacted a sales rep and was sad to hear that the keyboards have Windows logos on the Super button but I figure that's to be expected really. Anyhow, major thanks to anyone who will help me with the hardware choices for the Inspiron 1525. Jai On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I originally looked I completely missed the Inspiron 1525. I could have sworn there were 2 desktops I'll take a look at the Inspiron 1525 now and, no, my dad isn't paying :( lol. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). They offer the 1525, too: http://tinyurl.com/39m5sr Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, University starts in about a month and I'm *still* without a new laptop. I figure I ought to buy one that's bundled with Ubuntu so that: 1) I don't pay Windows tax 2) I don't falsisfy statistics by making it look like I use/support Windows I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ They also have inspiron 1525, with a bigger screen, and it looks like their will be a netbook within a few days. Mj. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Dear All, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post but... I work at a small community-radio station in London called Resonance104.4FM. I'm slowly reducing our dependence on Windows and moving to Ubuntu for our editing and day to day needs. I'm stuck on application at the moment. Our legal logger - this is simply a application that records an mp3 file from a live input creating a new file every 24 hours. Currently we use http://www.cooolsoft.com/mp3rec.htm but searching the linux-audio pages I'm unable to find a similar application. Any ideas? cheers, - Chris Weaver 2008/8/21 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey all, University starts in about a month and I'm *still* without a new laptop. I figure I ought to buy one that's bundled with Ubuntu so that: 1) I don't pay Windows tax 2) I don't falsisfy statistics by making it look like I use/support Windows I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Chris Weaver Production Manager Resonance104.4FM resonancefm.com +44 (0)207 407 1210 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jai, I believe the Dell EEE beater is coming out tomorrow with Ubuntu / XP on it. I'd see what you think of that before moving forwards. I reckon it'd be great in lecture theatres. Andy Jai Harrison wrote: Hey all, University starts in about a month and I'm *still* without a new laptop. I figure I ought to buy one that's bundled with Ubuntu so that: 1) I don't pay Windows tax 2) I don't falsisfy statistics by making it look like I use/support Windows I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. Jai Venko Harrison -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIrVWLauMjEM4rxIQRAsOMAKCAIn02BEnF3LOOnsTxX4sLMOft4wCgqMTx 4ic2qug6Q902U8pAqNBncFA= =9j/P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I just looked that up and assume you mean the Inspiron 910. Thanks for the suggestion but there's a few major problems with it in my eyes though. 1) The screen resolution is 1024x600 - My current laptop has a 1024x768 resolution and everything fits on it OK but AFAIK 1024x768 is the bear minimum nowadays and things will not fit on a 1024x600 resolution properly (height is usually especially important!). 2) It uses SSDs. I've heard of a lot of mixed reports on these guys but I don't think I'm ready to take the plunge yet with a device that *may* be unable to handle bittorrent's high write count. 3) Ubuntu Netbook Remix? It looks AWFUL to me. I like regular Ubuntu and probability fact that this one will be bundled with Netbook Remix makes it a scary option. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM, andylockran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jai, I believe the Dell EEE beater is coming out tomorrow with Ubuntu / XP on it. I'd see what you think of that before moving forwards. I reckon it'd be great in lecture theatres. Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIrVWLauMjEM4rxIQRAsOMAKCAIn02BEnF3LOOnsTxX4sLMOft4wCgqMTx 4ic2qug6Q902U8pAqNBncFA= =9j/P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21/08/2008, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] the bear minimum nowadays and things will not fit on a 1024x600 resolution properly (height is usually especially important!). 2) It uses SSDs. I've heard of a lot of mixed reports on these guys but I don't think I'm ready to take the plunge yet with a device that *may* be unable to handle bittorrent's high write count. Hi Jai, I think it all depends what you want out of a laptop. The new ultra portable ones are great for carrying around and taking notes in lectures, etc. This is where the small screen and SSD instead of a hard drive are actually advantages. However, if you plan on using your laptop very frequently (perhaps as a primary machine), a ultra portable is probably not what you want to look at. Personally, I've found the 1024x600 res perfectly fine for web browsing and reading/writing documents. 3) Ubuntu Netbook Remix? It looks AWFUL to me. I like regular Ubuntu and probability fact that this one will be bundled with Netbook Remix makes it a scary option. The Netbook Remix is great, I've been using it for about a month now with no problems and the eye candy is lovely. However, I keep thinking that it may well be better suited to machines with smaller screen sizes, as the default gnome setup runs perfectly fine. The Netbook Remix just replaces the standard window manager and sits on top of the gnome desktop, which makes it really easy to turn on and off again, so you shouldn't let it influence your choice of laptop. Lucy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 12:18 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey all, University starts in about a month and I'm *still* without a new laptop. I figure I ought to buy one that's bundled with Ubuntu so that: 1) I don't pay Windows tax 2) I don't falsisfy statistics by making it look like I use/support Windows snip As far as I am concerned Dell Inspiron 1525 is very good. You can always add more memory etc depending on how much you can afford. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 12:18 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. I got a pre-installed XPS M1330 (with extra memory and a six cell battery) in June and have been more than happy with it. Wireless uses binary drivers but Just Worked - once I'd realised I had to turn it on at the physical switch on the side... ;) SD card reader works and the touch-sensitive media buttons work too. The only problems I've really had are, surprise surprise, suspend/resume stuff. Network manager crashes about 1 in 10 suspend/resumes, and the whole thing either hangs going into suspend or coming out of it about 1 in 30 times. Have to reboot in both situations but that's pretty fast. (I stuck with the pre-installed Gutsy because I had personal UI issues with Hardy when I tried it on another laptop - think these issues may be fixed with Hardy or with tinkering.) My favourite thing about it though is how thin light it is compared to the other (desktop-replacement) laptops I was looking at in that price range. It's not going to float away on a breeze but it's considerably more slim-lined than most Dells I've seen and I can carry it around all day, which is more than can be said for the last piece of cr*p Sony I used before. Ubuntu wiki page about it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellXPSM1330 -louisa :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Louisa Parry wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 12:18 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. I got a pre-installed XPS M1330 (with extra memory and a six cell battery) in June and have been more than happy with it. I've had the joy of providing that same laptop to a few of my clients. They all love the laptop.. great bit of kit. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIrXCUauMjEM4rxIQRAjWAAKCcgYDP+KQutTx9iPZKlYM5TDNvbQCfaidB hQqpErnQz/MV9BJ/HDvTSsE= =ttKn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Check out the Linux Emporium (http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/index.html). They offer CD's, DVD's, Laptops and Free Ubuntu stickers. On 8/21/08, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, University starts in about a month and I'm *still* without a new laptop. I figure I ought to buy one that's bundled with Ubuntu so that: 1) I don't pay Windows tax 2) I don't falsisfy statistics by making it look like I use/support Windows I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). What I'm after is a decent laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed and full hardware support (no non-working SD card readers, Wireless, etc.) Please, fire your suggestions and experience in this to me. Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
norman wrote: As far as I am concerned Dell Inspiron 1525 is very good. You can always add more memory etc depending on how much you can afford. I'd agree entirely with that. Got one for my wife (with ubuntu pre-installed, of course), and she's been delighted with it. And the price difference between the 1525 and the XPS M1330 is a significant benefit for a student - unless Jai's dad is paying! ;-) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). They offer the 1525, too: http://tinyurl.com/39m5sr Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] WTB: Ubuntu Laptop
When I originally looked I completely missed the Inspiron 1525. I could have sworn there were 2 desktops I'll take a look at the Inspiron 1525 now and, no, my dad isn't paying :( lol. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: I have looked at what Dell has to offer in the UK but they currently offer only 1 laptop in the UK (the XPS M1330 (UBUNTU)). They offer the 1525, too: http://tinyurl.com/39m5sr Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
