Re: WordLib Test Docs and LiveCode 5

[Curry Kenworthy]

WordReport made it so much easier and more powerful


Awesome! Thanks for sharing that.

Best wishes,

Curry K.


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Re: WordLib Test Docs and LiveCode 5

[Andrew Kluthe]

I had been working on a Latex based reporting system for a Lease Making
Program and it was full of gotchas and bloated dependencies. WordReport made
it so much easier and more powerful than what I had been working on and
nearly gave up on. Giving up on that project in livecode that I had nearly
spent all the budget for would have probably meant losing that client. 

Good to hear that WordOut and WordReport updates are coming. :)

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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Chipp Walters]

Yep. And one of the reasons I predict Apple will be forced to license iOS
to other manufacturers within the next 3 years-- or lose the commanding
presence and top marketshare they now enjoy. The simple fact is it is
impossible for the small number of engineers at Apple to keep ahead,or even
keep up, with the thousands of engineers in the rest of the world. Small
teams of developers can and do create the best software. Unfortunately
that's not true for hardware, which needs the skills of a vertically
integrated and/or well networked company. Apple is not either.

PLUS, and this is a big PLUS, Apple has a virtual lock on the AppStore
business. Their model is a huge success and can only get better if Apple
were to license their mobile OS. I suppose the only issue is... How long
before iOS *becomes* MacOS? It's clear with the latest incarnation of Lion,
the merge is coming. The only question is how soon? It's a tough road to
navigate, and without the Jobs compass, it will be interesting.

Here's another prediction AppleTV will play a big part in all of this.
I'm not exactly sure how, but if the platform becomes open to developers,
it will be big. Not because of the TV, but because of the integration with
iOS.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2011, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> I think you already have V1 of these.
>>
http://gizmodo.com/5857759/meet-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-the-worlds-first-supercomputer-tablet
>
> I do, and the only disappointment, if you can call it that, is that the
TF101 already performs so well I'm likely to sit out the upgrade until the
version after this next one.
>
> Don't get me started.  The Transformer has been aptly named for me: with
the keyboard dock it's completely transformed my device lineup, replacing
both my tablet and my netbook.
>
> The cool Jules Verne enclosure motif is just icing on the cake.
>
> Other tablet vendors could learn a lot from Asus.  You don't have to
mimic the iPad to compete with it.  The Transformer is the second-best
selling tablet on the market today, and IMNSHO for good reason.
>
> With the quad-core NVidia Tegra 3 driving Ice Cream Sandwich, it only
gets better
>
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Drag/Drop Datagrid Columns

[Pete]

I have a little stack that illustrates how to reorder columns in a datagrid
by dragging and dropping them.  I'd like to share it with anyone who is
interested but I can't upload it to revOnline.  The upload starts but never
seems to terminate.  In fact just about anything I try to do in revOnline
hangs.

If anyone has an interest, email me offlist and I'll send you the stack.

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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Mark Wieder]

Roger-

Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 2:12:54 PM, you wrote:

> Andre, I think doomsday has already come.  At work, we configure laptops
> for our users. We often use opensource Live CDs to boot the machine  for
> whatever reasons like looking at the partition table, or just to see how
> the latest Ubuntu or Debian or RedHat distro performs on the latest and
> greatest Apple has to offer.  Well, we tried booting from every Linux we
> had a Live CD or DVD of, and NONE OF THEM would boot on the newest i7
> MacBook Pro. We tried 32-bit and 64-bit versions, and could never go past
> an error that seemed to point to the hard-drive controller.  I don't have
> the exact error at this moment, but it sure seemed like some kind of
> secure-boot mechanism was behind it all.  So, we installed Windows in a VM
> and gave it to the user.

Sounds like UEFI. Apple has shipped logic boards with UEFI for years,
but it's never been enabled before.

http://boingboing.net/2011/09/21/anti-malware-hardware-has-the-potential-to-make-it-illegal-and-impossible-to-choose-to-run-linux.html
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/making-uefi-secure-boot-work-with-open-platforms

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

[Ken Ray]

On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:28 PM, René Micout wrote:

> Thanks Warren,
> I simplify my script :
> 
>   get shell ("defaults read NSGlobalDomain")
>   get line lineOffset("AppleLocale",it) of it
>   put false into vxFrançais ; if "fr" is in it then put true into vxFrançais

Even easier:

  put shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain AppleLocale") into tLanguage

:D


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Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/  

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Pierre Sahores]

Many thanks Stephan ! Will use your recommandation as soon as tomorrow morning 
;-)

Kind regards,

Pierre

Le 9 nov. 2011 à 21:50, stephen barncard a écrit :

> I've been constructing new pages as HTML5 for over a year.  One item to
> note is that the rules are different than html 4.x and things that were
> allowed before with  ( loose ) will not validate. Constructing a web page
> with old habits could lead to 10-30 errors when attempting to validate as
> HTML5 , even though it might look fine in one's own browser.
> 
> My iRev/ lc HTML5 pages always ended up with too many errors and only
> recently have I figured out what was wrong. It's about the headers. I've
> learned a lot about creating quality, verifiable HTML5 code using the w3C
> validator 
> 
> To share with those trying to make validated HTML5 pages using Livecode
> server: 
> 
> *[  do this before any other HTML is sent: (this will make Apache talk
> UTF-8 ) ]*
> 
>  
> put new header "Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8"
> 
> ?>
> 
> *[   this html startup and header code validates for me ]*
> 
> * *
> * *
> * *
> * *
> * Jazzcubed Records*
> * *
> * *
> * *
> *[content]*
> * *
> * *
> 
> 
> 
> so simple and clean, universal now.  I like the standard.
> 
> sqb
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 November 2011 10:40, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Nice.  Very nice.
>> 
>> Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing OSes, which is
>> always helpful for us cross-platform devs.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  
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Re: WordLib Test Docs and LiveCode 5

[Curry Kenworthy]

WordReport Saved My Job.


Really? That's great! :-) How did it happen?


Any interesting things happening with that? Thank You!


After the WordLib update I'll aim to update WordReport (less picky about 
formatting, hopefully) and finally release WordOut!


Best wishes,

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Re: WordLib Test Docs and LiveCode 5

[Andrew Kluthe]

WordReport Saved My Job. Any interesting things happening with that? Thank
You!

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WordLib Test Docs and LiveCode 5

[Curry Kenworthy]

WordLib users: This a heads-up on one LiveCode engine issue that affects 
some test documents, plus exciting news on upcoming import features!


There's a new issue in LiveCode 5.0 that affects displaying animated 
GIFs in fields when the images are referenced from files. Display a 
moving GIF in your field and LC bails out completely!


This affects all such content and is not in any sense a WordLib issue; 
the WordLib library simply makes it easy to load a huge variety of 
content into fields, and that helps to identify any field problems.


But it does affect two of the standard test documents that come with 
WordLib (TestMSWord2007 and TestMSWord2003) because they include 
animated GIFs. LiveCode 5 will crash after importing these documents 
(just as it will crash after putting similar content into a field by any 
other method, not related to WordLib) when you scroll a field to the 
point where an animated image is displayed.


I don't plan to edit those test documents; the whole point is to have 
some files that put WordLib and LiveCode through their paces with an 
over-the-top, almost insane level of formatting and content features, to 
test all the various and cool features of word processing documents and 
WordLib import, and to easily show up any problems. I'd rather leave 
these documents as they are to show up any future issues.


So, I've submitted a bug report, and anyone who has access to the 
LiveCode Dev Program/QA center can feel free to vote for this issue 
there, or utilize a Quick fix to support the issue, if this affects your 
project.


Animated images are fairly rare in word processing documents, but Word 
clipart does include some animations, so it's always possible for a user 
to insert one! If you offer your end-users the opportunity to open any 
document with WordLib, you may want to use LiveCode 4.6.4 until this 
engine issue is resolved.


I realize that this issue could lead people who are new to WordLib or 
LiveCode to mistakenly assume that WordLib is causing a crash, but this 
is not the case.


BTW, we're currently putting the finishing touches on a new version of 
WordLib that will handle Unicode document imports in any language! If 
you've been keen on making your projects more multilingual, it's coming 
soon.


(Some of you have used a beta version with some Unicode capability, but 
the upcoming release is greatly enhanced and much more powerful!)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Colin Holgate]

You can, or will be able to, export a swf for web use, select Android, publish 
the Android app, select iOS, publish the iOS app, select HTML, export the HTML5 
version, all from the same FLA. But, it would have to be a fairly feature 
limited application if it has to be able to run as HTML5.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Right - but here's the rub. Even if application builders (Flash or whatever)
> export HTML5 versions for use on mobile devices, that's still two different
> versions of applications that will need supporting, right? I don't think
> they can make all the same apps with HTML5 that they can with Flash (as
> Colin basically implied).

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 9 nov. 2011 à 20:08, Lynn Fredricks a écrit :

>> Nice.  Very nice.
>> 
>> Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing 
>> OSes, which is always helpful for us cross-platform devs.
> 
> Im not sure how to feel about this.
> 
> Simple Flash stuff ran terribly on some devices. I have a site that has a
> Flash based gallery - nothing too complex, which would not render properly
> on some devices.
> 
> On the other hand, this means Flash developers are going to have to think
> twice about using Flash because of mobile device deployment. Doing this -
> yeah, I think the writing is on the wall for Flash. Now Flash developers can
> feel what Director users have been feeling for some time ;-)

(Beside LC server 4.6.3+ on the server-side,) javascript as the glue + JQuery & 
Mootools plugins + HTML5/CSS3 let us provide on the client-side 150% of what 
could ever be done in flash, the lightweight and elegance "en prime" along 
targetting any kind of OSes ;D
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Andre Garzia]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

> I'm with you on "what's mine" concept Andre.  If I buy it with MY money, I
> should have the right to install any OS that I please.
>

Yes, I think it is a great concept!

Now, if you want to try linux supported hardware, checkout System76
machines. This is a small vendor that sells Ubuntu 11.10 machines. I don't
think they ship to Brazil but I am considering buying a laptop from them
the next time I am in the U.S.A.

I really don't like Windows and Macs are moving from "my machine" to "their
machine" too fast for my taste.

http://www.system76.com/laptops/ (my choice would be a customized version
of Pangolin Performance machine)

Cheers
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RE: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Lynn Fredricks]

> On the contrary, unlike Director it seems Flash is very much 
> alive, just changing the engine from a plugin to WebKit - 
> from the horse's mouth:
> 
> 
> Flash to Focus on PC Browsing and Mobile Apps; Adobe to More 
> Aggressively Contribute to HTML5

Right - but here's the rub. Even if application builders (Flash or whatever)
export HTML5 versions for use on mobile devices, that's still two different
versions of applications that will need supporting, right? I don't think
they can make all the same apps with HTML5 that they can with Flash (as
Colin basically implied).

I can see why they might pursue this strategy since Apple (and I would guess
MS too) have blown off Flash playback, and that its probably easier than
dealing with a huge number of hardware makers.


Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
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[OT?] HARD DRIVE SHORTAGE : Thailand flooding

[stephen barncard]

Better stock up YouTube and Google..

perhaps now google will create their own hard drive factory... mark my words


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57320282-64/hard-disk-shortage-will-get-worse-piper-jaffray/

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Malte Brill]

Stephen wrote:

!!

Thank you thank you thank you thank you
Been gnashing my teeth about why my UTF-8 content wasn't displayed even though 
I declared it in the  part.

Malte



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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Roger Eller]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Chipp,
>
> I tend to classify machines these days in two categories: my machine and
> their machine.
>
> my machine is the hardware that once I buy, I can install whatever I want
> from whatever source I want. So both my macbook pro and my Google Nexus S
> are under this category.
>
> their machine is the hardware that I can't install whatever I want from
> whatever source I want and currently this mean iPhone and iPad and if the
> doomsday predictions come true, will soon include the mac.
>
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> http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


Andre, I think doomsday has already come.  At work, we configure laptops
for our users. We often use opensource Live CDs to boot the machine  for
whatever reasons like looking at the partition table, or just to see how
the latest Ubuntu or Debian or RedHat distro performs on the latest and
greatest Apple has to offer.  Well, we tried booting from every Linux we
had a Live CD or DVD of, and NONE OF THEM would boot on the newest i7
MacBook Pro. We tried 32-bit and 64-bit versions, and could never go past
an error that seemed to point to the hard-drive controller.  I don't have
the exact error at this moment, but it sure seemed like some kind of
secure-boot mechanism was behind it all.  So, we installed Windows in a VM
and gave it to the user.

I'm with you on "what's mine" concept Andre.  If I buy it with MY money, I
should have the right to install any OS that I please.

˜Roger
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[stephen barncard]

I've been constructing new pages as HTML5 for over a year.  One item to
note is that the rules are different than html 4.x and things that were
allowed before with  ( loose ) will not validate. Constructing a web page
with old habits could lead to 10-30 errors when attempting to validate as
HTML5 , even though it might look fine in one's own browser.

My iRev/ lc HTML5 pages always ended up with too many errors and only
recently have I figured out what was wrong. It's about the headers. I've
learned a lot about creating quality, verifiable HTML5 code using the w3C
validator 

To share with those trying to make validated HTML5 pages using Livecode
server: 

*[  do this before any other HTML is sent: (this will make Apache talk
UTF-8 ) ]*



*[   this html startup and header code validates for me ]*

* *
* *
* *
* *
* Jazzcubed Records*
* *
* *
* *
 *[content]*
* *
* *



so simple and clean, universal now.  I like the standard.

sqb



On 9 November 2011 10:40, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

>
> Nice.  Very nice.
>
> Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing OSes, which is
> always helpful for us cross-platform devs.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 10:59:38 AM, you wrote:

> No Linux version, so I have no use for it.

No problem, they're just following LiveCode's lead. The Edge Linux
Edition will no doubt be delivered when there's enough market share
and after developers have been clamoring for it for years. Then it'll
be missing key features, have bugs that nobody bothers fixing, and
still won't support mobile deployment.

We're just ahead of the curve.

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Re: [ann] taskRunner (was Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet")

[Robert Brenstein]

On 09.11.2011 at 19:38 Uhr + Alex Tweedly apparently wrote:
taskRunner is, as I'm sure you can guess, named after Ken Ray's 
'stackRunner', but unlike stackRunner it doesn't run "whole" stacks, 
it simply performs little "tasks", and does so on behalf of another 
app rather than for a user directly.




Brilliant!
I wanted to make such a thing for a long time but have never found time...

Robert

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richmond]

Dunno, but this is fun:

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/community_safety/crime_reduction/car_crime/car_thief_keith_v1.html

and somebody put quite a bit of effort into it.

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Re: Compile for Android

[Admin]

  

I've received the same error with just a button and a answer box.


What's up with Android deployment? 

Mike 

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011
11:30:39 -0800, Litton Larry wrote: 

> I can't identify the following
problem, does anyone have a direction so I can try to figure out exactly
what this error may be???
> 
> The error is "There was an error while
saving the standalone application could not compile application class"
>

> I am using sockets in the code, but even when I comment them out, I
get the error.
> 
> I think that using sockets will not work on either
Android or IOS, but when I compile the IOS version, I do not get an
error and the app runs very well, other than it doesn't have any working
socket. Android will not compile.
> 
> I am using the Lantronics WiBox
to interface the tcpip to dual serial port. I currently have both
Macintosh and PC versions working quite well, getting ready to ship. I'm
waiting on the completion of LiveCode sockets for Android and IOS
platforms.
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Colin Holgate]

I can't say much, being bound by NDA, but there will still be about 90% of the 
things Flash can do that won't be playable by the most powerful HTML5 browser. 
If you simplify what you were going to do as Flash enough, then you may have 
something that can work just the same in HTML5.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> AFAIK the authoring system will remain pretty much the same, but the output 
> will no longer be limited to the plugin, able to run natively in any 
> HTML5-capable browser.

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richmond]

On 11/09/2011 08:26 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

THIS IS BIG NEWS.

If you-all haven't seen this yet...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/adobe-flash-player-mobile-plug-in_n_1083869.html



HOWEVER; like everything else, there will be a significant lag-time 
before Flash vanishes from the web;
developers have put hours and hours of effort into Flash, and I cannot 
envisage them redoing
anything until they absolutely have to. Therefore, while anybody who is 
developing anything for Flash right now ought to pause, take a few very 
deep breaths, say a few rude words, and start all over again without
Flash, browsers are going to need to cope with Flash for a good longish 
time (say 5 years) until all the

current content available has been replaced.

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richard Gaskin]

Colin Holgate wrote:

> I think you misunderstood something. Adobe's use of WebKit is as a
> preview of the HTML5 content. Flash isn't involved in the playback
> at all. Flash Pro will be involved in developing HTML5 content,
> but the playback part doesn't involve Flash, if you export as HTML
> that is.

Yes, that was my understanding, which I tried to convey when I wrote:

...it seems Flash is very much alive, just changing the engine
from a plugin to WebKit


AFAIK the authoring system will remain pretty much the same, but the 
output will no longer be limited to the plugin, able to run natively in 
any HTML5-capable browser.


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Re: TIP: A Collapsable Tool Palette

[Richmond]

On 11/09/2011 08:21 PM, Michael Kristensen wrote:

Yes Mark

When you quit Rev the Palette will ask you if you want to save.

If yes it will stick for next time.


If you type save stack "revTools" into the messageBox the thing will save.


Michael




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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Colin Holgate]

Aside from the fact that Director continues to be developed (a new shockwave 
update came out only yesterday), I think you misunderstood something. Adobe's 
use of WebKit is as a preview of the HTML5 content. Flash isn't involved in the 
playback at all. Flash Pro will be involved in developing HTML5 content, but 
the playback part doesn't involve Flash, if you export as HTML that is.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> On the contrary, unlike Director it seems Flash is very much alive, just 
> changing the engine from a plugin to WebKit - from the horse's mouth:

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


On the other hand, this means Flash developers are going to have to think
twice about using Flash because of mobile device deployment. Doing this -
yeah, I think the writing is on the wall for Flash. Now Flash developers can
feel what Director users have been feeling for some time ;-)


On the contrary, unlike Director it seems Flash is very much alive, just 
changing the engine from a plugin to WebKit - from the horse's mouth:



Flash to Focus on PC Browsing and Mobile Apps; Adobe to More 
Aggressively Contribute to HTML5

...
We will continue to leverage our experience with Flash to accelerate our 
work with the W3C and WebKit to bring similar capabilities to HTML5 as 
quickly as possible, just as we have done with CSS Shaders.  And, we 
will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to HTML5 as 
the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their 
skills will continue to be leveraged.

...



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Re: [ann] taskRunner (was Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet")

[Alex Tweedly]

On 09/11/2011 19:38, Alex Tweedly wrote:


This is all at www.tweedly.org/taskRunner


Duh. It can be found at

www.tweedly.org/taskRunner.lc

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[ann] taskRunner (was Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet")

[Alex Tweedly]

taskRunner is, as I'm sure you can guess, named after Ken Ray's 
'stackRunner', but unlike stackRunner it doesn't run "whole" stacks, it 
simply performs little "tasks", and does so on behalf of another app 
rather than for a user directly.


I started developing taskRunner about 6 months ago, with the intention 
of getting to a complete, maybe even polished, state before announcing 
it. However, I got it basically working 4 months ago, and haven't had 
any time to work on it since then; I've now decided that it would be 
better to make it available as a "sample" or "demo" quality stack in the 
hope that it will be useful, or at least interesting, for some folks.


This was partly triggered by a couple of recent threads, on socket 
inter-app communication and on the Asus tablet. Now that even tablets 
have multiple cores, and our Livecode apps are leaving 75% of that power 
unused,  it's worth investigating how we can re-factor our apps to allow 
us to make more use of multi-cores or processors.


Many of us have found that our apps have some operations that take a 
long time (long enough that we need to re-write small parts to make them 
more asynchronous). This can be as simple as adding a "wait with 
messages" or "send in time" to the critical loops so that our app can 
remain responsive, and/or be interrupted and/or give progress updates. 
In many cases that same refactoring (taken a little bit further) will 
allow the use of taskRunner to hive off the actual performing of the 
task to a separate process.


Although I haven't worked on taskRunner for months, I do use it every 
week, almost every day, and in some cases it has reduced my waiting time 
to 25% or 30% of what it was before (and made my MacBook into a nice 
warm space-heater :-).


As well as the actual taskRunner stack, you can find
 - a library to make it easy to split out the tasks and communicate 
with taskRunner

 - a test stack to demonstrate some simple uses of taskRunner
 - a few simple 'task stacks' to use in the demo

This is all at www.tweedly.org/taskRunner and I will try to get more 
docs and useful task stacks written up. If you look at it and find it 
useful or interesting, please do let me know if there is anything 
particularly confusing or in need of better explanation.


Thanks
-- Alex.

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Compile for Android

[Litton Larry]

I can't identify the following problem, does anyone have a direction so I can 
try to figure out exactly what this error may be???

The error is "There was an error while saving the standalone application  could 
not compile application class"

I am using sockets in the code, but even when I comment them out, I get the 
error.

I think that using sockets will not work on either Android or IOS, but when I 
compile the IOS version, I do not get an error and the app runs very well, 
other than it doesn't have any working socket.  Android will not compile.

I am using the Lantronics WiBox to interface the tcpip to dual serial port.  I 
currently have both Macintosh and PC versions working quite well, getting ready 
to ship.  I'm waiting on the completion of LiveCode sockets for Android and IOS 
platforms.



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Re: ANN: Harmonic Oscillators

[Roger Guay]

As a matter of fact, Jim. I've been working on that exact simulation, but so 
far have not been able to make it work. Perhaps, I could work with you off-line 
to come up with the right equation of motion?

Thanks and cheers,
Roger


On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:40 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Roger,
> 
> The simulation makes for a good tutorial.
> 
> Here is another that may interest you.
> 
> Newton considered, as a thought experiment, a cannon ball fired from the top 
> of a VERY high mountain. With ever increasing muzzle velocity he speculated 
> that the canon ball would eventually circle the Earth, thus simulating the 
> motion of the moon about the Earth.
> 
> (See: http://waowen.screaming.net/revision/force&motion/ncanon.htm) 
> 
> You might try  1/r, 1/r^2, 1/r^3 gravitational forces to see which produces 
> the observed results.
> 
> Jim 
> 

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RE: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Nice.  Very nice.
> 
> Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing 
> OSes, which is always helpful for us cross-platform devs.

Im not sure how to feel about this.

Simple Flash stuff ran terribly on some devices. I have a site that has a
Flash based gallery - nothing too complex, which would not render properly
on some devices.

On the other hand, this means Flash developers are going to have to think
twice about using Flash because of mobile device deployment. Doing this -
yeah, I think the writing is on the wall for Flash. Now Flash developers can
feel what Director users have been feeling for some time ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Colin Holgate]

After Flash Player 11.1 ships they will continue to provide security updates, 
and it could be years before Android OS is changed in a way that breaks 
plugins. One thing it will do though is encourage some people to make mobile 
browser pieces with HTML5, which while being quite hard to do (with a fraction 
of the Flash features), it would mean that those pages will work on iOS too. 
So, it will make Android seem less special in the end, but won't have a 
immediate impact.

One small impact on LiveCode is that Adobe will put more effort into making AIR 
mobile apps (that you make with Flash) better, and have more features. Although 
LiveCode wasn't competing with the Flash plugin at all, on mobile that is, it 
is competing as to what tool developers will use for making apps. The more 
improvements that Adobe make on AIR, the more it stacks up against LiveCode as 
a tool to use.

But I wouldn't worry, Adobe bring out new features at a much slower rate than 
RunRev, although the Cloud subscription deal may speed that up.


On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:26 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> THIS IS BIG NEWS.

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Re: Uploading to App Store with LiveCode 5

[Randy Hengst]

Scott,

I have the same issue… love to hear how to fix it.

be well,
randy
--
On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Something does seem to be messed up with mobile builds.  After getting
> LiveCode v5, it said I needed to install the iOS5 version of Apple's SDK.
> Now when I try to build a standalone from 4.6.4, LiveCode says I need to
> have the 4.3 version of the SDK and refuses to build.  WTF?  I thought
> installing the latest SDK simply added it to the SDKs available for
> building.  AFAICT, the paths to the developer folders are correct, so what
> am I missing?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
> Recently, William de Smet wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> The upload did work (with Arm v7 en iOS5)  and the app is waiting for
>> review now.
>> But I think this is not the way it should work.
>> You should be able to make an app for iPad for iOS4.
>> Same for the missing icon error! LC 5 is full of bugs ('Show invisible
>> objects' sometimes doesn't work either).
>> 
>> greetings,
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/11/9 Mark Schonewille 
>> 
>>> Hi William,
>>> 
>>> Contact me off-list with a screenshot of the errors.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
>>> Become our partner in sales http://qery.us/16r Start selling Color
>>> Converter today. 20% commission!
>>> 
>>> On 9 nov 2011, at 15:45, William de Smet wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mark,
 
 I got today about the same errors as you had yesterday.
 I tried to add an iPad version of my Stoplicht app. It got me puzzled and
 one thing I didn't try and that worked:
 I selected ARM v7 and as minimum iOS 5.
 So my app can't work on iOS 4.2 and 4.3 now?
 Is this a bug? What do you think?
 I read that the current LC 5 version isn't the most stable one made :-)
 
 groeten,
 
 William
 
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richard Gaskin]

Andre Garzia wrote:


Have you guys seen Adobe Edge?


No Linux version, so I have no use for it.

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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Andre Garzia]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  THIS IS BIG NEWS.
>>
>> If you-all haven't seen this yet...
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/**2011/11/09/adobe-flash-player-**
>> mobile-plug-in_n_1083869.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> > player-mobile-plug-in_n_**1083869.html
>> >
>>
>
> Nice.  Very nice.
>
> Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing OSes, which is
> always helpful for us cross-platform devs.
>


Have you guys seen Adobe Edge?



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Re: Paradigma Software Inc released Free Business Ready Database andReports Server

[stephen barncard]

has anyone installed Livecode server on MAMP ?

http://www.mamp.info/en/index.html

On 9 November 2011 00:34, Keith Clarke
wrote:

> Thanks for the links Ruslan. I guess the 'on-rev' aspect is more about how
> to install packages there, so I've asked that question on the on-rev forum.
>
> Local host is probably easier (in that it's my infrastructure). But, as my
> interest is web apps, that also introduces the added dependency/complexity
> of getting the new RevServer installed on my dev Mac and/or server.
> Best,
> Keith..
>
> On 8 Nov 2011, at 23:51, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
>
> > On 11/8/11 9:34 PM, "Keith Clarke" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> >> Very interesting.
> >> So, is there a how-to somewhere on installing this on my on-rev account
> to
> >> experiment and learn more about Valentina?
> >>
> >> ...starting with which version to download and how to install onto
> on-rev!
> >
> > Version 4.9.1
> >
> > I am not aware deeply about on-rev account.
> > I think it is more simple to start play just on localhost.
> >
> >
> >V4REV docs:
> >
> >
> http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:products:adk:v4re
> > v:v4rev
> >
> >Valentina articles
> >
> >
> http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:articles:articles
> >
> >Valentina Reports some videos
> >
> > http://valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:video:vspro:vspro
> >
> >
> >> Best,
> >> Keith..
> >>>
> >>> Anyway - now everyone can have a real powerhouse server in their small
> and
> >>> medium sized workgroups and companies for no cost.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Ruslan Zasukhin
> > VP Engineering and New Technology
> > Paradigma Software, Inc
> >
> > Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> > http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> >
> > [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> >
> >
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[Richard Gaskin]

stephen barncard wrote:


THIS IS BIG NEWS.

If you-all haven't seen this yet...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/adobe-flash-player-mobile-plug-in_n_1083869.html

--




Nice.  Very nice.

Another platform distinction gone, further commoditizing OSes, which is 
always helpful for us cross-platform devs.


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Re: Uploading to App Store with LiveCode 5

[Scott Rossi]

Something does seem to be messed up with mobile builds.  After getting
LiveCode v5, it said I needed to install the iOS5 version of Apple's SDK.
Now when I try to build a standalone from 4.6.4, LiveCode says I need to
have the 4.3 version of the SDK and refuses to build.  WTF?  I thought
installing the latest SDK simply added it to the SDKs available for
building.  AFAICT, the paths to the developer folders are correct, so what
am I missing?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> The upload did work (with Arm v7 en iOS5)  and the app is waiting for
> review now.
> But I think this is not the way it should work.
> You should be able to make an app for iPad for iOS4.
> Same for the missing icon error! LC 5 is full of bugs ('Show invisible
> objects' sometimes doesn't work either).
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/11/9 Mark Schonewille 
> 
>> Hi William,
>> 
>> Contact me off-list with a screenshot of the errors.
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>> 
>> Become our partner in sales http://qery.us/16r Start selling Color
>> Converter today. 20% commission!
>> 
>> On 9 nov 2011, at 15:45, William de Smet wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I got today about the same errors as you had yesterday.
>>> I tried to add an iPad version of my Stoplicht app. It got me puzzled and
>>> one thing I didn't try and that worked:
>>> I selected ARM v7 and as minimum iOS 5.
>>> So my app can't work on iOS 4.2 and 4.3 now?
>>> Is this a bug? What do you think?
>>> I read that the current LC 5 version isn't the most stable one made :-)
>>> 
>>> groeten,
>>> 
>>> William
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [OT?] ADOBE DROPS FLASH for HTML5

[stephen barncard]

THIS IS BIG NEWS.

If you-all haven't seen this yet...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/adobe-flash-player-mobile-plug-in_n_1083869.html

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Re: TIP: A Collapsable Tool Palette

[Michael Kristensen]

Yes Mark

When you quit Rev the Palette will ask you if you want to save.

If yes it will stick for next time.

Michael



> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Do these script changes stick between sessions?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille


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Re: Color of a graphic

[Pete]

Thanks Devin, that sounds like the way to go.
Pete
Molly's Revenge 




On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Why not just create the various states of your arrow graphic and import
> snapshots of the various states as images:
>
>  import snapshot from grc "arrow" [with effects]
>
> Then just hide them and assign the images as icon states of a button. Then
> you don't have to manage the look of your graphic in your scripting. I do
> this all the time and it works great.
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Pete wrote:
>
> > The graphic is interactive since I'm using it as a button (with a mouseUp
> > handler).  I guss drwaing a graphic was just a convenient way of creating
> > an arrow without searching around for an icon to use as a button icon.
> >
> > Right now, I'm changing the blendlevel of the graphic to 50 when I
> disable
> > it, then back to 0 when it's enabled again.  That gives the right visual
> > effect and preserves the color.
> >
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/11/9 Björnke von Gierke 
> >
> >> I suggest not to disable graphics. Unless they're interactive to begin
> >> with, disabling them is kinda pointless. Instead change the
> foregroundcolor
> >> to a grey.
> >>
> >> put "100,100,100" into theGrey
> >> set the foregroundcolor of graphic "myArrow" to theGrey
> >>
> >> On 9 Nov 2011, at 04:12, Pete wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Craig, good to know it's not just me!
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>> Molly's Revenge 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
>  Pete.
> 
> 
>  Interesting. Adding color seems to disable, er, disabling.
> 
> 
> 
>  Why not store the color in a custom property, and when you disable the
>  graphic,  clear the color as well, restoring it when you re-enable.
> 
> 
> 
>  Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Pete 
>  To: How to use LiveCode 
>  Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50 am
>  Subject: Color of a graphic
> 
> 
>  I set up a line with an arrow at the end as a graphic.  If I disable
> >> it, it
>  shows up grey.  If I change the color of it (the text/border color),
> the
>  color doesn't change when I disable it.
> 
>  I can change the blendlevel to make it appear disabled but is there
> some
>  other property to make it appear disabled visually?
> 
>  Pete
>  Molly's Revenge 
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Re: Color of a graphic

[Devin Asay]

Pete,

Why not just create the various states of your arrow graphic and import 
snapshots of the various states as images:

  import snapshot from grc "arrow" [with effects]

Then just hide them and assign the images as icon states of a button. Then you 
don't have to manage the look of your graphic in your scripting. I do this all 
the time and it works great.

HTH

Devin

On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Pete wrote:

> The graphic is interactive since I'm using it as a button (with a mouseUp
> handler).  I guss drwaing a graphic was just a convenient way of creating
> an arrow without searching around for an icon to use as a button icon.
> 
> Right now, I'm changing the blendlevel of the graphic to 50 when I disable
> it, then back to 0 when it's enabled again.  That gives the right visual
> effect and preserves the color.
> 
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/11/9 Björnke von Gierke 
> 
>> I suggest not to disable graphics. Unless they're interactive to begin
>> with, disabling them is kinda pointless. Instead change the foregroundcolor
>> to a grey.
>> 
>> put "100,100,100" into theGrey
>> set the foregroundcolor of graphic "myArrow" to theGrey
>> 
>> On 9 Nov 2011, at 04:12, Pete wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Craig, good to know it's not just me!
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> Molly's Revenge 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
>>> 
 Pete.
 
 
 Interesting. Adding color seems to disable, er, disabling.
 
 
 
 Why not store the color in a custom property, and when you disable the
 graphic,  clear the color as well, restoring it when you re-enable.
 
 
 
 Craig Newman
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pete 
 To: How to use LiveCode 
 Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50 am
 Subject: Color of a graphic
 
 
 I set up a line with an arrow at the end as a graphic.  If I disable
>> it, it
 shows up grey.  If I change the color of it (the text/border color), the
 color doesn't change when I disable it.
 
 I can change the blendlevel to make it appear disabled but is there some
 other property to make it appear disabled visually?
 
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Re: Color of a graphic

[Pete]

The graphic is interactive since I'm using it as a button (with a mouseUp
handler).  I guss drwaing a graphic was just a convenient way of creating
an arrow without searching around for an icon to use as a button icon.

Right now, I'm changing the blendlevel of the graphic to 50 when I disable
it, then back to 0 when it's enabled again.  That gives the right visual
effect and preserves the color.

Pete
Molly's Revenge 




2011/11/9 Björnke von Gierke 

> I suggest not to disable graphics. Unless they're interactive to begin
> with, disabling them is kinda pointless. Instead change the foregroundcolor
> to a grey.
>
> put "100,100,100" into theGrey
> set the foregroundcolor of graphic "myArrow" to theGrey
>
> On 9 Nov 2011, at 04:12, Pete wrote:
>
> > Thanks Craig, good to know it's not just me!
> >
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Pete.
> >>
> >>
> >> Interesting. Adding color seems to disable, er, disabling.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why not store the color in a custom property, and when you disable the
> >> graphic,  clear the color as well, restoring it when you re-enable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig Newman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Pete 
> >> To: How to use LiveCode 
> >> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50 am
> >> Subject: Color of a graphic
> >>
> >>
> >> I set up a line with an arrow at the end as a graphic.  If I disable
> it, it
> >> shows up grey.  If I change the color of it (the text/border color), the
> >> color doesn't change when I disable it.
> >>
> >> I can change the blendlevel to make it appear disabled but is there some
> >> other property to make it appear disabled visually?
> >>
> >> Pete
> >> Molly's Revenge 
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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Alex Tweedly]

On 09/11/2011 17:08, Andre Garzia wrote:

Scripting resizeStack is a good exercise but we really should aim to some
form of resolution independence here. Mobile apps tend to use more images
as decoration than desktop apps, with all those different resolutions, you
need to carry a lot of images of different sizes in your app or loose time
resizing them at runtime. Asus Eee Prime Pad is just one among the
different Android Tablets our there, each running a different resolution
and screwing my resizes.


So long as we don't have proper resolution independence, should we 
instead try for re-sizing at installation time (or, failing that, 
perhaps "resize on first use").


I know almost nothing about mobile - but I suspect that in most cases 
the resolution is 'fixed' for any particular installation of an app, so 
resizing either as the last step of installation or when the image is 
first displayed would avoid repeated time lost to resizing. You might 
need a "meta-resize" to determine for any particular screen resolution 
what size each of your images needs to be. Then, if mobile installation 
allows it, you could do a one-time resize of the images; if not then it 
might need to happen on first use. Would users prefer to see a message 
("New installation being completed") on first starting up an app (maybe 
combined with registration or other first-time actions)? Or would it be 
better to simply hide that cost during usage ?


-- Alex.

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Re: Passing Parameters

[Pete]

Thanks for the explanations - stopped me from going down the wrong path.
Pete
Molly's Revenge 




On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Alex Tweedly  wrote:

>
> If you have an existing program that reads from stdin and writes to stdout
> - and you want to control / monitor it from another app - then it'd be
> natural to just use 'read from process'. Or if you have a program that you
> don't own / develop you might have to use 'read from process'.
>
> In general, using sockets is much more flexible and (once you've got over
> the initial hurdle of building socket communications once or twice) very
> simple - start with the lesson Phil pointed to, look at Chatrev, etc.
>
> 'read from process' has many limitations - in particular you need to
> "poll" for input, using the 'read from process... in x msecs" form. If you
> use sockets then you can have the programs operate asynchronously, and have
> a handler that is called when data is ready for you. Or you can communicate
> with multiple other apps. Or move one of the apps to another machine (with
> some care over security). Or  almost anything.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
>
>
> On 09/11/2011 07:38, Pete wrote:
>
>> Very useful lesson.  I guess I'm still interested in the
>> differences/pros/cons of using sockets versus open process/read from
>> process/write to process LC commands (assuming both processes are LC).  Do
>> those commands use sockets under the covers?
>> Pete
>> Molly's Revenge
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Phil Davis
>>
>>>
>>> There is a nice intro to LC sockets here:
>>> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/12924-How-to-
>>> communicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets>> p://lessons.runrev.com/s/**lessons/m/4071/l/12924-How-to-**
>>> communicate-with-other-**applications-using-sockets
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> For inter-app communication, both apps are client AND server.
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Andre Garzia]

Chipp,

IMHO that is not a tablet but a laptop. The line between laptop and tablet
is so thin these days that I begun to use another criteria to distinguish
between them than the presence of a physical keyboard. Most if not all
tablets in the market can pair with keyboards so in the end it makes little
sense to distinguish between an EEE PC PAD PRIME (horrible name) and a
MacBook Air. Even in terms of processing power both things are merging.
Heck a quad core processor inside a tablet!!! My own macbook pro has a dual
core.

I tend to classify machines these days in two categories: my machine and
their machine.

my machine is the hardware that once I buy, I can install whatever I want
from whatever source I want. So both my macbook pro and my Google Nexus S
are under this category.

their machine is the hardware that I can't install whatever I want from
whatever source I want and currently this mean iPhone and iPad and if the
doomsday predictions come true, will soon include the mac.

This machine you sent looks really good. I think we should pay attention to
the resolution: 1280x800, that is larger than the iPad. LiveCode needs an
easier way to handle the inifite amount of resolutions we face these days.
Scripting resizeStack is a good exercise but we really should aim to some
form of resolution independence here. Mobile apps tend to use more images
as decoration than desktop apps, with all those different resolutions, you
need to carry a lot of images of different sizes in your app or loose time
resizing them at runtime. Asus Eee Prime Pad is just one among the
different Android Tablets our there, each running a different resolution
and screwing my resizes.

=)



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> Richard,
> I think you already have V1 of these.
>
> http://gizmodo.com/5857759/meet-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-the-worlds-first-supercomputer-tablet
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Re: [ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:


Richard,
I think you already have V1 of these.
http://gizmodo.com/5857759/meet-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-the-worlds-first-supercomputer-tablet


I do, and the only disappointment, if you can call it that, is that the 
TF101 already performs so well I'm likely to sit out the upgrade until 
the version after this next one.


Don't get me started.  The Transformer has been aptly named for me: 
with the keyboard dock it's completely transformed my device lineup, 
replacing both my tablet and my netbook.


The cool Jules Verne enclosure motif is just icing on the cake.

Other tablet vendors could learn a lot from Asus.  You don't have to 
mimic the iPad to compete with it.  The Transformer is the second-best 
selling tablet on the market today, and IMNSHO for good reason.


With the quad-core NVidia Tegra 3 driving Ice Cream Sandwich, it only 
gets better


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[ANN] "World's first supercomputer tablet"

[Chipp Walters]

Richard,
I think you already have V1 of these.
http://gizmodo.com/5857759/meet-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-the-worlds-first-supercomputer-tablet

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Re: Passing Parameters

[Björnke von Gierke]

Note that these days most OSes will put up a security warning when you start to 
accept sockets, which you will need to do for inter-process communication. On 
corporate windows environments, accepting sockets might be disabled altogether 
for user processes.

On 9 Nov 2011, at 12:17, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> 
> If you have an existing program that reads from stdin and writes to stdout - 
> and you want to control / monitor it from another app - then it'd be natural 
> to just use 'read from process'. Or if you have a program that you don't own 
> / develop you might have to use 'read from process'.
> 
> In general, using sockets is much more flexible and (once you've got over the 
> initial hurdle of building socket communications once or twice) very simple - 
> start with the lesson Phil pointed to, look at Chatrev, etc.
> 
> 'read from process' has many limitations - in particular you need to "poll" 
> for input, using the 'read from process... in x msecs" form. If you use 
> sockets then you can have the programs operate asynchronously, and have a 
> handler that is called when data is ready for you. Or you can communicate 
> with multiple other apps. Or move one of the apps to another machine (with 
> some care over security). Or  almost anything.
> 
> -- Alex.
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/11/2011 07:38, Pete wrote:
>> Very useful lesson.  I guess I'm still interested in the
>> differences/pros/cons of using sockets versus open process/read from
>> process/write to process LC commands (assuming both processes are LC).  Do
>> those commands use sockets under the covers?
>> Pete
>> Molly's Revenge
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Phil Davis
>>> 
>>> There is a nice intro to LC sockets here:
>>> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/**lessons/m/4071/l/12924-How-to-**
>>> communicate-with-other-**applications-using-sockets
>>> 
>>> For inter-app communication, both apps are client AND server.
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Color of a graphic

[Björnke von Gierke]

I suggest not to disable graphics. Unless they're interactive to begin with, 
disabling them is kinda pointless. Instead change the foregroundcolor to a grey.

put "100,100,100" into theGrey
set the foregroundcolor of graphic "myArrow" to theGrey

On 9 Nov 2011, at 04:12, Pete wrote:

> Thanks Craig, good to know it's not just me!
> 
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting. Adding color seems to disable, er, disabling.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why not store the color in a custom property, and when you disable the
>> graphic,  clear the color as well, restoring it when you re-enable.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pete 
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50 am
>> Subject: Color of a graphic
>> 
>> 
>> I set up a line with an arrow at the end as a graphic.  If I disable it, it
>> shows up grey.  If I change the color of it (the text/border color), the
>> color doesn't change when I disable it.
>> 
>> I can change the blendlevel to make it appear disabled but is there some
>> other property to make it appear disabled visually?
>> 
>> Pete
>> Molly's Revenge 
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LiveCode.tv event #42 (Wrap up)

[Björnke von Gierke]

Last weekend Mark presented his latest changes to installer maker.

Watch it here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18331995

Learn more about installer maker:
http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=installer-maker-for-lc



Contact me, if you'd like to present your own products
Björnke


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> Hi,
> 
> I just noticed that the link is slightly incorrect. The link the LiveCode 
> plugin is:
> http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=installer-maker-for-lc
> (and that's where you'll be able to use the coupon code for the discount).
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>> This Saturday, Mark will present his Installer Maker, because he just 
>> released a fresh beta version. Join the event and get a big discount on this 
>> invaluable tool.
>> 
>> More info about Installer Maker:
>> http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=installer-maker
>> 
>> Have your own tool? Present it during the event:
>> http://livecode.tv/participate/
>> 
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>> a standalone from
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>> 
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Re: looking for a co-presenter...

[Colin Holgate]

I asked, and he was generally up for it, but has other commitments for the next 
several weeks.

Still looking for someone, and it may be for this coming Saturday.


On Nov 4, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Reading the description, this person
> is Ken Ray. :-D

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Re: Uploading to App Store with LiveCode 5

[William de Smet]

Hi Mark,

The upload did work (with Arm v7 en iOS5)  and the app is waiting for
review now.
But I think this is not the way it should work.
You should be able to make an app for iPad for iOS4.
Same for the missing icon error! LC 5 is full of bugs ('Show invisible
objects' sometimes doesn't work either).

greetings,

William



2011/11/9 Mark Schonewille 

> Hi William,
>
> Contact me off-list with a screenshot of the errors.
>
> --
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>
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>
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> On 9 nov 2011, at 15:45, William de Smet wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I got today about the same errors as you had yesterday.
> > I tried to add an iPad version of my Stoplicht app. It got me puzzled and
> > one thing I didn't try and that worked:
> > I selected ARM v7 and as minimum iOS 5.
> > So my app can't work on iOS 4.2 and 4.3 now?
> > Is this a bug? What do you think?
> > I read that the current LC 5 version isn't the most stable one made :-)
> >
> > groeten,
> >
> > William
> >
>
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Re: Uploading to App Store with LiveCode 5

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi William,

Contact me off-list with a screenshot of the errors.

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On 9 nov 2011, at 15:45, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> I got today about the same errors as you had yesterday.
> I tried to add an iPad version of my Stoplicht app. It got me puzzled and
> one thing I didn't try and that worked:
> I selected ARM v7 and as minimum iOS 5.
> So my app can't work on iOS 4.2 and 4.3 now?
> Is this a bug? What do you think?
> I read that the current LC 5 version isn't the most stable one made :-)
> 
> groeten,
> 
> William
> 


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Re: Uploading to App Store with LiveCode 5

[William de Smet]

Hi Mark,

I got today about the same errors as you had yesterday.
I tried to add an iPad version of my Stoplicht app. It got me puzzled and
one thing I didn't try and that worked:
I selected ARM v7 and as minimum iOS 5.
So my app can't work on iOS 4.2 and 4.3 now?
Is this a bug? What do you think?
I read that the current LC 5 version isn't the most stable one made :-)

groeten,

William



2011/11/8 Mark Schonewille 

> Thanks for the replies, William.  It helps to know that it is actually
> possible. I removed all standalone settings, restarted LiveCode and the app
> loader and now the bundle error is gone. (I still have an icon or plist
> problem, though).
>
> --
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>
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>
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> On 8 nov 2011, at 22:22, William de Smet wrote:
>
> > @mark: I forgot to say that I did upload a new app (Stoplicht) with LC 5
> > that went fine the first time.
> >
> > greetings,
> >
> > William
>
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Re: vserver and on-rev account

[Keith Clarke]

On-rev runs linux but the version is not stated in the on-rev control panel. 

I'm no expert on on-rev Linux or C-Panel (or anything else, really!) but there 
does not seem to be a terminal function for users. I don't know if the kernel 
version 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5PAE means anything?

Packages seem to be installed into on-rev via Fantastico De Luxe or Simple 
Scripts package managers. So, maybe you folks at Paradigma want to consider 
getting the Office Server package available via Fantastico (as the on-rev 
forums mention a 3 free-app limit on Simple Scripts) to enable point & click 
on-rev installation? That would make it very easy for LiveCoders to start 
playing with Valentina.
Best,
Keith..

On 9 Nov 2011, at 10:16, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 11/9/11 10:34 AM, "Keith Clarke" 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
>> Thanks for the links Ruslan. I guess the 'on-rev' aspect is more about how to
>> install packages there,
> 
> Right.
> 
> What OS is there ?  Mac linux?
> 
>> so I've asked that question on the on-rev forum.
>> 
>> Local host is probably easier (in that it's my infrastructure). But, as my
>> interest is web apps, that also introduces the added dependency/complexity of
>> getting the new RevServer installed on my dev Mac and/or server.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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Re: TIP: A Collapsable Tool Palette

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Michael,

Do these script changes stick between sessions?

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On 9 nov 2011, at 12:15, Michael Kristensen wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> If you have finished adding objects to your stack it can be nice to have a 
> smaller Tool Palette with only the RUN - EDIT button visible.
> 
> You can have that in this way:
> 
> Go to the preferences of Revolution/Livecode and turn this on:
> 
> General: Command-Option or Control-Alt edits script.
> 
> and 
> 
> General: In Revolution UI windows.
> 
> 
> Now hold Command-Option or Control-Alt down over the Tool Palette card.
> 
> The script of the Tool Palette card appear.
> 
> It has no mouseUp handler, so you can add this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   if the mouseV < 5 then
>  if the height of this stack is 459 then
> set the height of this stack to 33
>  else
> set the height of this stack to 459
>  end if
>   end if
> end mouseUp
> 
> Now if you click just under the window bar the window will toggle between 
> full and collapsed.
> 
> 
> NOTE: The height of the toolpalette may vary according to if the draw/paint 
> tool is toggled on. Go check it before. In my case they are on.
> 
> In any case the ToolPalette will spring to its full when you choose it from 
> the menu.
> 
> Michael

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Re: Passing Parameters

[Alex Tweedly]

If you have an existing program that reads from stdin and writes to 
stdout - and you want to control / monitor it from another app - then 
it'd be natural to just use 'read from process'. Or if you have a 
program that you don't own / develop you might have to use 'read from 
process'.


In general, using sockets is much more flexible and (once you've got 
over the initial hurdle of building socket communications once or twice) 
very simple - start with the lesson Phil pointed to, look at Chatrev, etc.


'read from process' has many limitations - in particular you need to 
"poll" for input, using the 'read from process... in x msecs" form. If 
you use sockets then you can have the programs operate asynchronously, 
and have a handler that is called when data is ready for you. Or you can 
communicate with multiple other apps. Or move one of the apps to another 
machine (with some care over security). Or  almost anything.


-- Alex.



On 09/11/2011 07:38, Pete wrote:

Very useful lesson.  I guess I'm still interested in the
differences/pros/cons of using sockets versus open process/read from
process/write to process LC commands (assuming both processes are LC).  Do
those commands use sockets under the covers?
Pete
Molly's Revenge




On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Phil Davis


There is a nice intro to LC sockets here:
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/**lessons/m/4071/l/12924-How-to-**
communicate-with-other-**applications-using-sockets

For inter-app communication, both apps are client AND server.
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TIP: A Collapsable Tool Palette

[Michael Kristensen]

Hi there

If you have finished adding objects to your stack it can be nice to have a 
smaller Tool Palette with only the RUN - EDIT button visible.

You can have that in this way:

Go to the preferences of Revolution/Livecode and turn this on:

General: Command-Option or Control-Alt edits script.

and 

General: In Revolution UI windows.


Now hold Command-Option or Control-Alt down over the Tool Palette card.

The script of the Tool Palette card appear.

It has no mouseUp handler, so you can add this:

on mouseUp
   if the mouseV < 5 then
  if the height of this stack is 459 then
 set the height of this stack to 33
  else
 set the height of this stack to 459
  end if
   end if
end mouseUp

Now if you click just under the window bar the window will toggle between full 
and collapsed.


NOTE: The height of the toolpalette may vary according to if the draw/paint 
tool is toggled on. Go check it before. In my case they are on.

In any case the ToolPalette will spring to its full when you choose it from the 
menu.

Michael
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Re: Passing Parameters

[Mark Schonewille]

Pete,

Most programmes were not written for socket communication. Instead, they write 
to stdout, which can be read from using the read from process command. Writing 
to stdout is much easier than writing to a socket. However, if you are writing 
the app you want to communicate with yourself, then you might as well use 
sockets. IIRC writing to stdout doesn't work correctly in LiveCode, which 
leaves sockets as a good alternative.

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On 9 nov 2011, at 08:38, Pete wrote:

> Very useful lesson.  I guess I'm still interested in the
> differences/pros/cons of using sockets versus open process/read from
> process/write to process LC commands (assuming both processes are LC).  Do
> those commands use sockets under the covers?
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
> 
> 


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Re: vserver and on-rev account

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 11/9/11 10:34 AM, "Keith Clarke" 
wrote:

Hi Keith,

> Thanks for the links Ruslan. I guess the 'on-rev' aspect is more about how to
> install packages there,

Right.

What OS is there ?  Mac linux?

> so I've asked that question on the on-rev forum.
> 
> Local host is probably easier (in that it's my infrastructure). But, as my
> interest is web apps, that also introduces the added dependency/complexity of
> getting the new RevServer installed on my dev Mac and/or server.

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Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Just curious - how would I approach creating a drum machine in live code?

[René Micout]

Hello Mike,
Le 8 nov. 2011 à 23:00, Admin a écrit :

> Also, I would LOVE to
> utilize MIDI for this - so the pattern is actually based in MIDI and the
> loaded drum samples are in different MIDI channels. 

I think you do use MIDI but no samples (you can use QuickTime to play samples, 
but not very creative... I am old school...)
For my digital instruments made with LiveCode I use the external "sunnYmidi" by 
Thierry Douez :
http://sunny-tdz.com/   see >   http://sunny-tdz.com/art-1000
but Macintosh OS X for now... are you ?
Bon souvenir de Paris
René
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Re: Paradigma Software Inc released Free Business Ready Database andReports Server

[Keith Clarke]

Thanks for the links Ruslan. I guess the 'on-rev' aspect is more about how to 
install packages there, so I've asked that question on the on-rev forum.

Local host is probably easier (in that it's my infrastructure). But, as my 
interest is web apps, that also introduces the added dependency/complexity of 
getting the new RevServer installed on my dev Mac and/or server.
Best,
Keith..
 
On 8 Nov 2011, at 23:51, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 11/8/11 9:34 PM, "Keith Clarke" 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
>> Very interesting.
>> So, is there a how-to somewhere on installing this on my on-rev account to
>> experiment and learn more about Valentina?
>> 
>> ...starting with which version to download and how to install onto on-rev!
> 
> Version 4.9.1
> 
> I am not aware deeply about on-rev account.
> I think it is more simple to start play just on localhost.
> 
> 
>V4REV docs:
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:products:adk:v4re
> v:v4rev
> 
>Valentina articles
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:articles:articles
> 
>Valentina Reports some videos
> 
> http://valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=valentina:video:vspro:vspro
> 
> 
>> Best,
>> Keith..
>>> 
>>> Anyway - now everyone can have a real powerhouse server in their small and
>>> medium sized workgroups and companies for no cost.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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