Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

As i have still 11.6.2 installed i cannot test, if this might be something 
Monterey specific.
I am currently downloading Monterey and will install it onto a VM, so i could 
test. But the 12GB take some time to download.

There is a free tool available from Late Night Software called SD Notary, which 
also does the needed steps to get a notarized app.
https://latenightsw.com/sd-notary-notarizing-made-easy/ 


Maybe you try that .

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.01.2022 um 02:06 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Matthias:
> I tried the command in the shell
> It didn’t work as shown in the status field.
> I then switched to superuser, with the password, and it ran the following 
> without complaint.
> xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography Projects/LiveCode-RunRev 
> Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer 
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"
> 
> Weird: I entered the command as you suggested below, and it asked for a 
> password, as expected. BUT, it didn’t recognize the password I put in. Then I 
> just did an SU command, it asked for the password and recognized my password. 
> Then the action worked. I’m on OS 12.1 (Apple).
> 
> My shell password has a dollar sign, 2 numbers and 2 capital letters. Could 
> that be the problem?
> 
> —This is the shell/terminal text:
> WProtherosMBP4:~ prothero$ sudo -S xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography 
> Projects/LiveCode-RunRev Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer 
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"
> Password:
> Sorry, try again.
> WProtherosMBP4:~ prothero$ sudo -S xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography 
> Projects/LiveCode-RunRev Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer 
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"
> Password:
> Sorry, try again.
> 
> But this worked:
> WProtherosMBP4:~ prothero$ su
> Password:
> sh-3.2# 
> 
> I changed the shell pw to all lower case alphabetical letters. Same 
> issue.When I entered the shell first, entering the same password, it worked. 
> The command below didn’t. It asked me for the password and when I entered it, 
> it refused. Hmm.. odd.
> WProtherosMBP4:~ prothero$ sudo -S  xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography 
> Projects/LiveCode-RunRev Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer 
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"
> Password:
> Sorry, try again.
> Password:
> Sorry, try again.
> Password:

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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

William,
did you try to run that line from shell? Just as a test?
Is it executed then without a problem?



> Am 26.01.2022 um 23:28 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> pw=x39AB$rp; echo $pw | sudo -S xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography 
> Projects/LiveCode-RunRev Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"


Or could you try to execute this line here from shell
> sudo -S xattr -cr "/Users/prothero/Oceanography Projects/LiveCode-RunRev 
> Projects/1-AA-Current Projects/PT_Explorer 
> Projects/EarthExplorer_CurrentWkg-D4/EExp Builds/Earth Explorer2/Earth 
> Explorer.app"
You then should be asked for the sudo password. Is that working?

I am using here an alpha numeric password. I did not test with any symbols or 
umlauts. So maybe if your pw contains such special characters this might not be 
working or maybe macOS 12 is not accepting to pass the password usingecho.

To be honest i only tried with macOS up to 11.6.2.

If you want, we can discuss this further by private email. Use my list email 
first and i reply from my normal office email then. But not today. I need some 
sleep.

Regards,
Matthias
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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

This situation does not only  affect Livecode, but all development tools. Even 
Xcode.
To get your programs trusted by macOS you need to sign and notarize. There is 
little that can be done about it.

We can either accept it  or stop developing for macOS.

Of course it would be great if the standalone building process would include 
the option to code sign and notarize right after building the standalone. Or if 
at least the Livecode Ide would have a plugin that would allow us to do the 
whole process directly from Livecode.

But currently we have to do it manual.

I am not sure if you tried already my Notarize Helper Stack, which does all 
needed steps for code signing and notarizing. The stack is far from being 
perfect and everyone is welcomed to optimize it, but at least it works.
You just have to enter some information (Developer ID, passwords and other 
information) once. After that you can use it to code sign and notarize your 
Livecode standalones.
I did not try it under macOS12 so far, but did not hear about any problems 
about it yet.

You can find it here in the lesson about code signing and noterizing
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore



> Am 26.01.2022 um 21:39 schrieb Keith Martin :
> 
> f only it was easier to do. 
> I've actually stopped using LC much because the process of making apps that 
> people can run without fuss has become ridiculous. I'm still hoping for a 
> solution that isn't so aggressively hostile! The current situation feels like 
> a direct threat to LiveCode the company, as it must be putting off more than 
> a few people from becoming or staying customers.
> 

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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

If you have an Apple Developer Account membership you could code sign and 
notarize your app. 
This should prevent the security issue.

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 26.01.2022 um 20:29 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Folks:
> Sorry for this question which probably has been answered many times, but …. 
> I’m trying not to waste my day searching around.
> 
> What’s the best way to send a desktop app on Apple OS 12.1 to a friend or 
> beta tester? I sent an app and a security issue came up.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill P
> 
> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
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Re: Browser widget - follow redirects setting?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Keith,

what happens, if you set the URL of the browser widget to tURL?

I tried here both "set the url..." and also "launch URL ... in widget.." with 
an online Shop. I tried to launch the account page. In both cases i was 
redirected to the login page.
The only thing i noticed is, that the URL of the widget kept to be the URL of 
the account page although  the login page was opened/displayed.

Regards,
Matthias

> Am 26.01.2022 um 12:24 schrieb Keith Clarke via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi folks,
> Is there any hidden / undocumented setting for the Browser widget that will 
> allow it to follow redirects?
> 
> Using launch URL tURL opens the default browser on my machine and - if I’m 
> not logged into the server - redirects to a login page, the address of which 
> I can see in the browser’s address bar.
> 
> However, launch URL tURL in widget "Browser” doesn’t redirect and 
> subsequently put the URL of widget  “Browser" shows tURL unchanged.
> 
> Am I missing a trick?
> Best,
> Keith
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Re: tsNet Gmail Email

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Rick,

please let me add something

If you have 2FA enabled for your Google Account you can create an app specific 
password
https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords 


You then use the app password instead of your "normal" google password with 
tsNet

If you don't have 2FA enabled for your account then you can enable the option 
"google security non secure apps allow"
If that option is enabled, then you use your normal google password with tsNet.

> Am 23.01.2022 um 21:23 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I just tried out email using the tsNet LiveCode lesson
> that was updated on 8/17/2020.
> 
> I ran into an error (67) when trying to send using Gmail.
> 
> Google has updated their security for 3rd party Apps, and 
> now you need to use an App password.
> 
> How can an App password be included for a tsNet
> email when using Gmail?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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Re: tsNet Gmail Email

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Hi Rick,

the only thing that works, as far as i know, is to go to security in your 
google account and enable the option  "google security non secure apps allow".
When that option is enabled, you can use tsNet with your Google account.

Matthias

> Am 23.01.2022 um 21:23 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I just tried out email using the tsNet LiveCode lesson
> that was updated on 8/17/2020.
> 
> I ran into an error (67) when trying to send using Gmail.
> 
> Google has updated their security for 3rd party Apps, and 
> now you need to use an App password.
> 
> How can an App password be included for a tsNet
> email when using Gmail?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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Re: Livecode and interactive video

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> Am 21.01.2022 um 20:56 schrieb Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> A quarter of a century ago, we called this Interactive Multimedia.
> It was usually delivered on a CD-ROM.   Ask your parents! ;)
> 
I remember the Philips CM205 cd-rom which was advertised in 1991 or so  as 
first multimedia cd-rom drive with so called cd-i support.
Btw. i've never seen a cd-i disc, but it felt good to know that my drive could  
have read such cds. ;) 




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Re: Livecode Server on Synology NAS with Intel cpu

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> Am 22.12.2021 um 21:51 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Sorry - my Synology server has an arm processor, and there has never been an 
> arm build of the server. Plus now it appears that the server build requires a 
> separate license.
> 
> I take it you've already been through the docs at
> https://livecode.com/resources/guides/server/

Yes, thanks Mark, i've checked the docs already

Unfortunately the folder structure/ location of the configuration files for 
Apache on the Synology are different to the description in the docs.

Anyway, it took me now the half day to get it working. 
So now LC server is working in the browser and on the command line and LC 
standalones can be run also from command line in ui mode.
That's awesome.
I will create a Livecode lesson for this, so others can get it working much 
quicker.

Matthias


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Re: New user

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What i forgot to mention:
The bluetooth device needs to support this. If you have paired the Windows PC 
with a device that supports a virtual com port, then you should be able to add 
a com port in that settings and link it to that bluetooth device.



> Am 22.12.2021 um 17:47 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> In Windows go to Bluetooth Select "additional Bluetooth settings" or 
> something similar to that.  I am working with a german version of Windows, so 
> i do not have the exact english expression of it.
> 
> In this "additional settings" click on the tab 'Com devices' . There you can 
> add a virtual com port.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 22.12.2021 um 16:59 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I'm hopeful that General 2018 or anyone can expand on the reference to 
>> General's statement of:
>> "... Livecode has Bluetooth for Windows via VCP ..."
>> 
>> I've searched thru the forum and cannot find any references to this.  
>> Virtual Com Port (VCP) is associated with USB and FTDI chips (or emulations) 
>> and is used for Serial communications (common in Arduino builds) but I've 
>> never heard it associated with Bluetooth.  If there is information regarding 
>> Livecode being able to use Bluetooth on a Windows platform, I'd GREATLY 
>> appreciate knowing more about it! 
>> 
>> Anyone?
>> 
>> Douglas Ruisaard
>> 
>>   Trilogy Software
>> (250) 573-3935
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
>> Of General 2018 via use-livecode
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:21 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: General 2018
>> Subject: Re: New user
>> 
>> Android Bluetooth / USB would be the ideal as seems to be the most used 
>> interface protocol. Livecode has Bluetooth for Windows via VCP and on IOS 
>> via MergeBLE.
>> 
>> Just Android needed to be cross platform in real world interfacing.
>> 
>> Regards Camm
>> 
>>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 10:52, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For Android and iOS, use WiFi and sockets. This is just as quick and easy. 
>>> 
>>> Sean Cole
>>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>>> 
>>> eMail Ts & Cs
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 10:24, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just need this capability on Android - please Livecode
>>>> 
>>>> Regards Camm
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 01:37, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Alex
>>>>> Welcome!
>>>>> I've done exactly and very similar to what you are describing about 6yrs
>>>>> ago from Mac, PC, Linux, iOS via USB, WiFi and GPRS serial adapters. For
>>>>> lighting up miniatures of housing estates and apartment blocks. And then
>>>>> for some film miniatures for toy commercials and so on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once you've installed the driver for your adapter on Win10, go to the
>>>>> Device Manager, Ports and find out what COM port it's linked to (eg, 
>>>>> COM2).
>>>>> Now in LiveCode, you don't need to know the driver name to write to. Just
>>>>> use the command:
>>>>>open driver "COM2:" for write
>>>>> This sets the plane for communication. Next, you need to set up the
>>>>> settings, eg:
>>>>>set the serialControlString to "BAUD=9600 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1"
>>>>> These are actually the default settings, so do nothing if these are the
>>>>> settings you want.
>>>>> Now you just need to know the commands to send.
>>>>> https://numato.com/docs/16-channel-usb-relay-module/#the-command-set-20
>>>>>write "readall" & return to driver "COM2:"
>>>>>read from driver "COM2:" for 4 -- ie, 4 characters
>>>>> The read command immediately after the write allows it to accept the
>>>>> response from the GPIO, in this example, for 4 characters in length (to
>>>>> receive the 4 hex characters like 16AF)
>>>>> 
>>>>> And that's it pretty much. It's super easy and fun. With Wifi modules you
>>>>> can use any device to communicate with them. We used iPad

Re: New user

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

In Windows go to Bluetooth Select "additional Bluetooth settings" or 
something similar to that.  I am working with a german version of Windows, so i 
do not have the exact english expression of it.

In this "additional settings" click on the tab 'Com devices' . There you can 
add a virtual com port.

HTH

Matthias


> Am 22.12.2021 um 16:59 schrieb Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I'm hopeful that General 2018 or anyone can expand on the reference to 
> General's statement of:
> "... Livecode has Bluetooth for Windows via VCP ..."
> 
> I've searched thru the forum and cannot find any references to this.  Virtual 
> Com Port (VCP) is associated with USB and FTDI chips (or emulations) and is 
> used for Serial communications (common in Arduino builds) but I've never 
> heard it associated with Bluetooth.  If there is information regarding 
> Livecode being able to use Bluetooth on a Windows platform, I'd GREATLY 
> appreciate knowing more about it! 
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> 
>Trilogy Software
>  (250) 573-3935
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of General 2018 via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 3:21 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: General 2018
> Subject: Re: New user
> 
> Android Bluetooth / USB would be the ideal as seems to be the most used 
> interface protocol. Livecode has Bluetooth for Windows via VCP and on IOS via 
> MergeBLE.
> 
> Just Android needed to be cross platform in real world interfacing.
> 
> Regards Camm
> 
>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 10:52, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For Android and iOS, use WiFi and sockets. This is just as quick and easy. 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 10:24, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just need this capability on Android - please Livecode
>>> 
>>> Regards Camm
>>> 
> On 22 Dec 2021, at 01:37, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi Alex
 Welcome!
 I've done exactly and very similar to what you are describing about 6yrs
 ago from Mac, PC, Linux, iOS via USB, WiFi and GPRS serial adapters. For
 lighting up miniatures of housing estates and apartment blocks. And then
 for some film miniatures for toy commercials and so on.
 
 Once you've installed the driver for your adapter on Win10, go to the
 Device Manager, Ports and find out what COM port it's linked to (eg, COM2).
 Now in LiveCode, you don't need to know the driver name to write to. Just
 use the command:
 open driver "COM2:" for write
 This sets the plane for communication. Next, you need to set up the
 settings, eg:
 set the serialControlString to "BAUD=9600 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1"
 These are actually the default settings, so do nothing if these are the
 settings you want.
 Now you just need to know the commands to send.
 https://numato.com/docs/16-channel-usb-relay-module/#the-command-set-20
 write "readall" & return to driver "COM2:"
 read from driver "COM2:" for 4 -- ie, 4 characters
 The read command immediately after the write allows it to accept the
 response from the GPIO, in this example, for 4 characters in length (to
 receive the 4 hex characters like 16AF)
 
 And that's it pretty much. It's super easy and fun. With Wifi modules you
 can use any device to communicate with them. We used iPad mini's which made
 it super flexible.
 
 Let us all know if you run into any issues and need help.
 
 All the best
 
 Sean Cole
 *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
 
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 04:33, Alex Hughson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I am a beginner user of LiveCode. I’ve managed to work my way
> through a project which I think I can complete. However the project has to
> be able to communicate with an I/O board (Numato 16 channel USB GPIO 
> Module
> for example) from a Windows Standalone application. I have not been able 
> to
> find any guidance or samples for how to do this. This has led me to wonder
> if it is even possible to creat some kind of serial communication using LC
> or whether I should start over with a different platform. I am doing the 
> LC
> work using a Mac. Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
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Some questions about Livecode standalones / Livecode Server on Synology NAS with Intel cpu

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Hi,

is there someone on the list who is using Livecode Server on a Synology NAS 
with Intel cpu? If so, did you manage to get it working also with the webserver 
or only from command line?

Today i installed Livecode Server on my Synology NAS with Intel cpu.
I am able to run Livecode scripts from the command line. But i do not get it to 
work, that i can call LC script from my browser. I tried the .htaccess method 
to get Livecode Server running with Apache without success. I tried also to 
modify the httdp-conf file, but also without success. But that is due to a lack 
of knowledge.

I would be really grateful if someone could help me getting Livecode Server to 
work with Apache and not only from command line.


Or did someone already create a standalone with LC that could be run on the 
Synology desktop  and not only on the command line?

I am able to run 64but Unix LC standalones from the Commandline with the -ui 
switch. It was even possible to use the Synology scheduler to execute those 
standalones.
Now i am wondering how complicate it would be to package LC standalones to get 
them installed so they can be run with a gui. 

Anyone out there who works with LC standalones / LC server on Synology with 
Intel cpu?

Regards,
Matthias
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Re: New user

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Hi Alex,

does the developer of the I/O board provides an SDK? Best would be of course, 
that SDK would have support for Livecode, but i assume the latter is not the 
case.
But if the developer of that board has an sdk for example with prebuilt .dll 
you could try to create a wrapper with Livecode Builder.

How is the board detected on Windows? As a serial device? If so, you could 
communicate with it through Livecode. Please have a look at 'open driver' in 
the dictionary.


Matthias




> Am 21.12.2021 um 05:33 schrieb Alex Hughson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello all. I am a beginner user of LiveCode. I’ve managed to work my way 
> through a project which I think I can complete. However the project has to be 
> able to communicate with an I/O board (Numato 16 channel USB GPIO Module for 
> example) from a Windows Standalone application. I have not been able to find 
> any guidance or samples for how to do this. This has led me to wonder if it 
> is even possible to creat some kind of serial communication using LC or 
> whether I should start over with a different platform. I am doing the LC work 
> using a Mac. Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
> 
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Re: Windows VM's and LiveCode app's cursors

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Paul,

are you sure that the user directly accesses the VM? Or is the user by any 
chance accessing that VM using some RemoteControl software like TeamViewer or 
so. I only noticed such "double" cursor (not only with LC created apps) when 
using RemoteControl tools and when i had selected that the remote cursor should 
also be shown. 


Matthias


> Am 19.12.2021 um 19:05 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> We have a customer who runs our LiveCode built Windows app under a VirtualBox 
> VM running Windows 10, under Manjaro Linux.
> 
> The app displays a "double cursor" (i.e if the cursor is the pointer, there 
> are 2 images of the pointer slightly offset from one another that track the 
> mouse).
> 
> I build a simple text app under LC 10.0.0dp1 that is just a window with a 
> Quit button. Built 32 and 64 bit versions with and without High DPI check box 
> checked and the customer tested them. All 4 display a double cursor.
> 
> None of the 4 test apps display a double cursor when running in Window 10 
> Native or a Windows 10 VirtualBox VM under Windows 10 - just under Linux.
> 
> I know - a fringe configuration for sure - but has anyone encountered 
> anything like this or have any idea what might cause it?
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Re: [ANN] Release 10.0.0 DP-1

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Mark,

i've just filed bug #23485
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23485 


I noticed that as soon as the keyword URL is in a script, even if the line is a 
comment, the remote access, for example to set the filename of an image to a 
remote url as Kevin showed in the Webcamp presentation, does not work anymore.

Regards,

Matthias



> Am 14.12.2021 um 15:59 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2021-12-14 13:50, Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode wrote:
>> First of all thanks for the WebAssembly HTML5 implementation. This is
>> really great stuff !
>> For instance all my URL stuff (loading a stack on same domain) is
>> unfortunately not working anymore.
>> Also, all the PHP scripts which I used to access, which downloaded
>> stuff from other domains and then displayed
>> the result in the Browser don't work anymore.
>> Is this just me - or is it just not implemented yet ?
> 
> I don't think it is only you - at least one other person has mentioned on the 
> forums that their URL operations are not working either.
> 
> What url operations are you using?
> 
> The reason I ask is because the engine only has built-in support for `load 
> url` currently - the other syntax is implemented by a libURL 'driver' and I 
> have a suspicion that the latter may be currently broken.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. And yes, this is high on the list to investigate in more depth and fix!
> 
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Re: How to extract whole text from a PDF file with the PDF widget?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Ah, i thought you were referring only to XPDF. 
Btw. do you have an idea why both, XPDF external and PDF widget, are 
maintained? Wouldn't it make sense to have only one pdf solution included?
Or am i missing something?

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 11.12.2021 um 02:01 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Yes, I am familiar with the XPDF external (based on Google's PDFium library), 
> having designed it and paid Monte to code it and then turned it over to 
> LiveCode.
> 
> I was referring to the PDF Widget (also based on Google's PDFium), which 
> should have a comparable property for fetching the text of a page. The LC 
> dictionary does not list any property for returning the page text, so I 
> assume that is a Dictionary/Documentation error and that Monte can tell us 
> the correct property of the PDF widget that will return the text of a page.
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2021 7:05 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Paul,
>> 
>> here on mac OS the dictionary of LC 10 DP1 definitely lists the function 
>> XPDFViewer_Text(viewerName, pageNumber).
>> Btw. checking this showed me that this function seems to be deprecated and 
>> instead the command
>>  XPDFViewer_Unicode viewerName, pageNumber, variableName
>> should be used.
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 10.12.2021 um 23:22 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> There must be an undocumented property for the text of a page - there was a 
>>> function to return the full text of a page in the External (XPDF) and to 
>>> get the full text of the PDF file, you just stepped through the pages 
>>> (1..N) getting and concatenating the page text.
>>> 
>>> Monte? LC 10.0.0 Dictionary does not list a property for the page text.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/10/2021 4:46 PM, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a PDF file with text and pictures, but I just want the text.
>>>> 
>>>> I can do it manually with Ctrl-A and Ctrl-Copy by viewing the file with 
>>>> Preview on MacOS.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a business licence and want to use the PDF widget but I cannot find 
>>>> a way to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone help me out?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Torsten
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Re: How to extract whole text from a PDF file with the PDF widget?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Paul,

here on mac OS the dictionary of LC 10 DP1 definitely lists the function 
XPDFViewer_Text(viewerName, pageNumber). 
Btw. checking this showed me that this function seems to be deprecated and 
instead the command
 XPDFViewer_Unicode viewerName, pageNumber, variableName
should be used.


> Am 10.12.2021 um 23:22 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> There must be an undocumented property for the text of a page - there was a 
> function to return the full text of a page in the External (XPDF) and to get 
> the full text of the PDF file, you just stepped through the pages (1..N) 
> getting and concatenating the page text.
> 
> Monte? LC 10.0.0 Dictionary does not list a property for the page text.
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2021 4:46 PM, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a PDF file with text and pictures, but I just want the text.
>> 
>> I can do it manually with Ctrl-A and Ctrl-Copy by viewing the file with 
>> Preview on MacOS.
>> 
>> I have a business licence and want to use the PDF widget but I cannot find a 
>> way to do it.
>> 
>> Can someone help me out?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Torsten
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Re: How to extract whole text from a PDF file with the PDF widget?

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Hi Torsten,

i think the PDF widget does not support extracting text by code. At least the 
documentation does not show any information about this.

You wrote, that you have a business license. That would mean, that you can use 
the Pro features of Livecode.
There is an external included in the Pro Feature Pack called XPDF. That 
external supports extracting text. Have a look at the function XPDFVIEWER_text.


Regards,

Matthias

> Am 10.12.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Torsten Holmer via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a PDF file with text and pictures, but I just want the text.
> 
> I can do it manually with Ctrl-A and Ctrl-Copy by viewing the file with 
> Preview on MacOS. 
> 
> I have a business licence and want to use the PDF widget but I cannot find a 
> way to do it.
> 
> Can someone help me out?
> 
> Cheers,
> Torsten
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Re: Project browser docs

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Before the Project Browser was introduced  Application Overview was the tool to 
get an overview of all loaded stacks, its substacks, cards and all objects on 
that cards.
You can now find it under Plugins->revApplicationOveriew.

Regards,
Matthias
> Am 06.12.2021 um 13:49 schrieb Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 06/12/2021 04:14, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I prefer the horizontal layout in the Application Overview, but i thought 
>> I'd give the PB another try now that I'm working on a simpler project. It's 
>> too unweildy for multi-stack projects with lots of controls.
>> 
> Sorry, dumb question time - what is the "Application Overview" ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alex.
> 
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Re: Annoying pop-up message

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This can be caused by an installed program.

Here for example someone is mentioning that the program BOINC caused that popup 
message in his case.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252157812

Do you have Xcode or the command. line tools installed at all? Or is a version 
of the command line tools selected that is not installed anymore on your 
computer?

In a first step you could open Xcode, open Preferences and under Locations you 
could select a version of the installed command line tools.  Does that fix your 
problem?

Regards
Matthias

> Am 18.11.2021 um 06:16 schrieb David Squance via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> This may be off-topic, but I don’t know if it’s related to my Mac OS or LC. 
> Lately I get a periodic pop-up that says “The ‘C++filt’ command requires the 
> command line developer tools. Would you like to install the tools now?” I 
> have no knowledge of doing anything that uses the above command. I’m using 
> the last version of LC prior to the big change away from freebies and haven’t 
> attempted any standalone building for some time. I’m running Big Sur on a 
> MacBook Air.
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Re: The Dreaded tsNet "Error Previous request not completed" iOS app

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According to Livecode's website https://livecode.com/pro-features/

Complete Advanced Networking Layer:
- Non-blocking, asynchronous operations on SFTP, SMTP, SMTPS and SMTP/TLS
- SFTP authentication via public key authentication giving the best possible 
security
- SMTP(S/TLS) / SFTP downloads and uploads can either be via file or via 
variable – you are not limited by the memory available to your variable
- Ability to generate public / private key pairs suitable for use with SFTP – 
no need for an external application to create these
- Ability to send additional raw commands along with FTP and SFTP transfers to 
be executed before or after the transfer completes

Regards,

Matthisa
> Am 17.11.2021 um 23:04 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> What is the "pro version" of tsNet the Charles refers to in that thread?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 2:44 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: J. Landman Gay
> Subject: Re: The Dreaded tsNet "Error Previous request not completed" iOS
> app
> 
> On 11/16/21 6:51 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> iOS app built with LC 9.6.5 rc2 on Big Sur using Xcode 12.5.
>> I am doing several synchronous operations in the form "put url 
>> (some-url) into tVar". I do 1 or 2 and then every request after that 
>> fails.  Played with the various timeouts with no success. I also tried 
>> setting tsNetLibUrlReuseConnection to false. This code worked in 
>> previous versions of LC. Fails on iPad but works in the IDE. Has 
>> anyone seen this? I have a little bit of a time crunch. Any suggestions
> would be appreciated.
> 
> I asked about the same thing a month ago. Here's the reply by Charles
> Warwick:
> 
> 
> The essence is:
> "In order to fix this, you can use tsNet's asynchronous commands (e.g.
> tsNetGet instead of tsNetGetSync, tsNetPost instead of tsNetPostSync, ...)
> or libURL's "load URL" command.  The "load URL" command only support HTTP
> GET requests which means that if you need to use other types of requests
> (e.g. POST) then use the tsNet functions directly."
> 
> Rather than rewrite all my scripts I settled for a short wait between
> requests.
> 
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Re: LC Clipboard Polling Hang: Reported yet?

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Curry,

are you experiencing this on Windows or macOS?

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 17.11.2021 um 20:19 schrieb Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
> I'm seeing a hang in LC 9.x when
> accessing the clipboard repeatedly.
> (Including LC 9.6.5 RC 2.)
> 
> No precise recipe yet; that comes next,
> if this hasn't been reported yet.
> 
> I accessing clipboardData["text"]
> maybe 1800 times, with the data
> on the clipboard changing 200 times.
> 
> Finally LC breaks down
> in two distinct steps:
> 
> 1. clipboardData["text"] stops
> reporting the current data.
> 
> (But LC is usable and can still
> even SET the clipboardData.)
> 
> 2. Then LC itself hangs up;
> have to End Task.
> 
> Sound familiar anyone?
> If so, what Bug #?
> If not, I'll report it.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
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Re: Android: Play App Signing

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> 
>  But let's ask the moderator to delete this post, there is confidential info 
> in it.

I am afraid that is not possible as this is a mailing list and not a forum. 
Each subscriber of this list has received it as email.

Matthias

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Re: tsnet not detecting internet drop

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Tom,

according to the dictionary tsNet does not limit the length of time a request 
can take.

With tsNetSetTimeouts you can set several timeouts for tsNET.

Maybe that would help in your case.

Regards,
Matthias




> Am 13.11.2021 um 22:36 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I was testing my networking functions ... and error handlling
> I initiated a tsnet asynchronous download of a file,
> started the download and disconnected the wifi.
> 
> tsnet keeps reporting status "loading" .forever with no time out.
> Is there something I am missing or should the library eventually be
> reporting error?
> Is there something I can do to detect network issues?
> I guess I could periodically check for the internet... but really?
> Has anyone come across this issue? solved it? thought about it?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Object property management

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Neville,
thanks for that. Took me some time to find it in RevOnline.

I've already tried it and it looks very interesting. I will 'play" more with it 
later today when time allows.

Btw. for those who are trying to find it in RevOnline

Search for nsPropertyMapper

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 10.11.2021 um 05:37 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I have uploaded a plugin tool nsFormatMapper 2.0 to RunRevOnline. It is 
> designed to help with maintaining uniformity of UI elements such as colours 
> and text properties. It works rather like the Format Paint brush in Word or 
> Pages. You get all the required property types from an object, and set those 
> properties in another via drag and drop. You can also save sets of properties 
> for use as favourites. Properties transferrable included  color, text, button 
> and field properties, graphic effects, gradients and blending. Hope some 
> developers find it useful.
> 
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Re: HTML5 Deployment

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Paul, if you open the Livecode Dictionary, then you can see 2 tabs in the left 
upper corner. One is labeled "API" and one is labeled "Guide".

Click on "Guide" and then select "Deploying Your Application" and then "HTML5 
Deployment settings". 
There you should find a bunch of information.

Hope this helps.

Matthias

> Am 10.11.2021 um 00:41 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I am trying to deploy and HTML app. Standalone building was straightforward 
> and I now have a folder of stuff.
> 
> MyApp.html
> standalone.zip
> standalone-commercial-9.6.3.html.mem
> standalone-commercial-9.6.3.js
> 
> The HTML5 panel in the Standalone Builder says to see the "HTML5 Deployment 
> Guide in the Dictionary. In LC 9..6.3, there is no such guide in the 
> dictionary. I have tried searching Livecode.com with no luck.
> 
> Where can the deployment guide be found?
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Re: How to restrain impatient tsNet?

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Ben,

i am not sure if you are already aware of this, but in case you ever want to 
test your app without tsNet in  LC 9.5.x or higher or you want to create it 
with LC 9.5.x or higher but without using tsNET you could unload tsNet in LC 
IDE before testing or creating the standalone. LC then uses only the 'standard' 
libUrl library.

 To disable tsNET execute this in the message box
dispatch "revunloadlibrary" to stack tsnetliburl

Please keep in mind that you have to unselect tsNet in the Inclusions section 
of the standalone builder in case you've set the standalone settings to 
manually select the inclusions.


To enable tsNET again execute this in the message box
dispatch "revloadlibrary" to stack tsnetliburl


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 07.11.2021 um 18:50 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I think tsNetSetTimeouts is what you need :)
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Nov 2021, at 16:51, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm finally moving an app from LC 6.7 to LC 9.6.5 (huge thanks to Mark W for 
>> fixing the accumulating/sorting delay loops, which has made this possible).
>> 
>> I've hit what I hope is the last hurdle: at one point in its processing, the 
>> app has to load a resource over HTTP, which is s.l.o.w. - it typically takes 
>> around 8 minutes at the moment.
>> 
>> By setting the sockettimeoutinterval to the extreme 1800 (i.e. half an hour) 
>> this has been fine.
>> 
>> But under 9.6.5, in spite of this setting, it craps out within a minute with 
>> the message
>>   tsneterr: (28) Operation too slow. Less than 1000 bytes/sec transferred 
>> the last 30 seconds
>> 
>> Does tsneterr ignore the sockettimeoutinterval? Is there some other property 
>> I can set to persuade it to be patient?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Ben
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Re: Bug survey

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François,

i noticed something similar and asked about here in September:

>>
i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not right 
away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then about 
2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu
But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact that 
i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.
Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not able 
to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my testing 
is too short.
In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory 
consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.
After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it slows 
down. 
Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior?"
<<

Until now i did not find any solution for this. I really do not know what is 
causing this and i have no recipe how to reproduce this bug. It just happens... 

But if you would file a bug, i would add a comment for this and we would be 
already 2 that have this problem. Maybe there are more people with this.


Matthias



> Am 02.11.2021 um 21:41 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I wanted to answer the LC bug survey. 
> 
> The problem is that there is probably no bug number for my problem.
> 
> So here it what I wanted to answer to the first question in the survey:
> 
> 
> 
> I am on MacOS Big Sur, 11.6.1 (20G224). Latest 27''  iMac, Intel Chip, 8 
> cores i7, 64 Gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD, etc.. 
> 
> I have the latest stable build of Livecode (9.6.4 | Build 15551).
> 
> When I want to activate a menu item in the Livecode menubar, it constantly 
> takes more than one second to react. The Livecode menu. The File menu. Using 
> the menu to quit Livecode is for the intrepid.
> 
> This is the first impression that I have of the current Livecode app, and it 
> discourages me to even try this version.
> 
> This should be a no brainer for a 2021 app.
> 
> 
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Re: widget store

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Yes,
that is also a great plugin from Scott. I used it also all the time. So much 
more options than the align menu of the ide.

Matthias 


> Am 01.11.2021 um 22:08 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> tmAlign still works in LC 9.6.4 and Mac OS 12. I love it and use it all the 
> time.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> TM Align is a really handy tool for aligning/spacing objects on your card. 
>> It has a few things the property inspector alignment tab does not do, and 
>> you don't have to keep re-selecting the alignment tab in the property editor 
>> every time you close and re-open it. 
>> 
>> Scott sent me the latest one he has (or told me where to get it) so mine so 
>> far as I know still works. I haven't done any design work in quite a while. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 12:06 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think thats it Mike.  I would be shocked to find out there is another one
>>> widget store.
>>> What does tmc2 do ?
>> 
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Re: widget store

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When i read "tmc2" i think of tmControl 2 from Tactilemedia. A UI kit for 
Livecode.
Here's a short introduction of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8DtrVpwrds

A really great tool and it is really a pity that it is not maintained anymore.

Matthias


> Am 01.11.2021 um 20:06 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
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> 
> I think thats it Mike.  I would be shocked to find out there is another one
> widget store.
> What does tmc2 do ?
> 
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 12:33 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> since the lc extension store is essentially empty, does anyone have a
>> widget store, somewhere?
>> i want to leave tmc2 behind, but i keep finding out just how painful the
>> alternative is.
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

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The newsletters are directly from  Livecode. The surveys were sent by a company 
on behalf of Livecode Ltd. 

If you ever opted out to receive Livecode surveys then this is only affects the 
surveys  sent out by that other company and does not have any influence on your 
newsletter subscription.

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> Am 27.10.2021 um 11:58 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
> other livecode newsletters in October.
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
> Devin Asay via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
> An: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: Devin Asay 
> Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)
> 
> I didn’t receive it either. 
> 
> - Devin
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
>> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
>> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
>> try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
>> am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
>> this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
>> 
>> Best Regards to all,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly 
>>> checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? 
>>> There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to 
>>> stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode < 
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It 
 does not tell me when or how.
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Heather
 
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>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
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Re: Problems with simulator

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Did you select the correct version of the Xcode command line tools that should 
be used. 
You can do this in the Xcode preferences. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 26.10.2021 um 17:56 schrieb Mark Smith via use-livecode 
> :
> I wonder if anyone has any suggestions I can try. I am using macOS 10.15.7 
> (Catalina), LC 9.6.3, Xcode 12.4 and iOS14.8
> 
> This configuration should be completely usable and indeed I am able to 
> properly build an iOS app and install it on my 6S or 12 and it works fine. 
> However, I can’t get it to run on the Simulator. I load the Simulator first, 
> then press the Test button, LC saves the application, but it never gets past 
> that point… no build happens, and nothing is loaded on the simulator. 
> Subsequently pressing on Test does nothing. 
> 
> Just wondering if anyone might have a suggestion as how to fix this.
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

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Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message text. 
If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys emails from 
that specific account.
So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past

Regards

Matthias

> Am 22.10.2021 um 12:17 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so
> 
> Sean Cole
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> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
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> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
>> surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
>> opted out. So we can't send it to you. 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
>>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
>>> 
>>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
>>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
>>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
>>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
>>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
>>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
>>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
>>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
>>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
>>> 
>>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
>>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
>>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
>>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
>>> despondency.
>>> 
>>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
>>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
>>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
>>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
>>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
>>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
>>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
>>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
>>> 
>>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
>>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
>>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
>>> 
 On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Heather,
 
> Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> 
> Dear list folks,
> 
> We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
 list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
 enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
 unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Heather
 
 I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
 Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
 
 
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Re: Some questions about Command-line argument parser library

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Mark,

thank you very much for your explanations.

It works now.

Would  you please be so kind to also explain what for the argumentArray can be 
used?

GetOpt(grammar [, argumentArray])

Okay, i could use it for testing in the LC IDE, so i do not need to compile and 
execute the standalone. 
But is there another scenario where it would make sense to include that array 
in the call?

And while i am already asking... ;) 

The environment function can also return "development command line"
The dictionary says about that : The stack is running in the development 
environment with the "-ui" command line option.

So would i be able to run a stack by running the LC IDE with -ui, add the stack 
as parameter and add also command line options, which then could be parsed with 
getop()?

Regards,

Matthias



> Am 18.10.2021 um 16:30 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2021-10-18 15:14, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hello,
>> is there anyone who uses the Command-line argument parser library?
>> I am not sure how i can get the value that is attached as parameter
>> when the programm is started from the command-line
>> Let's say i call my program like this  ./myprogram -m=SomeParam
>> So how do i get the value SomeParam?I thought it is in the array after
>> getop() is called.
>> My code looks like this
>> put getopt("m,macadress") into tParams
>> if "macadress" is among the keys of tParams["options"]
>> then put tParams["options"]["macadress"] into tValue
> 
> You are using it correctly - but I think you've omitted a `=` from the end of 
> the option specification:
> 
> Each option specification can end with a `=`.  This indicates that
> the option expects an argument.  For example, with the grammar
> `-o,--output=`, the option can be specified like `-o file`, `-ofile`,
> `--output file`, or `--output=file`.
> 
> [ FWIW there is a 'typo' in the docs there the grammer being exhibited should 
> be `o,output=` I think! ]
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
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Some questions about Command-line argument parser library

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hello,

is there anyone who uses the Command-line argument parser library?

I am not sure how i can get the value that is attached as parameter when the 
programm is started from the command-line

Let's say i call my program like this  ./myprogram -m=SomeParam

So how do i get the value SomeParam?I thought it is in the array after getop() 
is called.

My code looks like this

put getopt("m,macadress") into tParams
if "macadress" is among the keys of tParams["options"]
then put tParams["options"]["macadress"] into tValue


But  tValue is empty?

I am trying this under macOS. 


Regards,
Matthias

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Re: Webview scrolling

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Jacque,

i am not sure if this is of help, but...

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7026854/textbox-hidden-below-keyboard-in-android-webview



> Am 09.10.2021 um 03:20 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I told a web designer I'd ask here to see if anyone has ideas. I'm displaying 
> a web page with a form in a browser widget. On Android, when I tap into one 
> of the lower form fields, the browser content does not scroll up and the 
> keyboard covers the field you're trying to type into. There are two or three 
> entry fields at the bottom that do that.
> 
> On iOS it scrolls up automatically so there's no problem. Android doesn't 
> move at all. You can manually scroll to the bottom but not beyond it, so the 
> lower fields are obscured.
> 
> Anyone here know how to fix that? The designer has tinkered with margins and 
> padding but that isn't working.
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Re: Hot Folders solution for Windows with LC

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Thanks Paul,

that's the way i was planning to do it. But i will move the original file into 
a subfolder, so that the hot folder only contains new unprocessed files.

I was more looking to rule out any known problems that might occur when doing 
this. 

Matthias

> Am 07.10.2021 um 22:32 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> The only way I know to to that in LiveCode is by polling the folder at some 
> interval.
> 
> You get the detailed files (for the last modification date)
> filter to PDFs
> output them to pdf/1-1b's
> Save this initial detail list of PDF files (in a variable or property or 
> field)
> Then send a message to yourself in x minutes
> 
> That message get the detailed files and compares the new list to the save list
> Any new or updated file is sent to Ghostscript
> Then the save list is updated
> Send a message to myself in X minutes
> 
> That's pretty much it.
> 
> On 10/7/2021 3:39 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> before i reinvent the wheel...
>> 
>> Has anyone on the list already created a solution for monitoring a folder on 
>> Windows (server) for new files and to do some action on that new files?
>> 
>> I need to create a tool that monitors a folder on Windows Server 2019  and 
>> if a new pdf file is in the folder, the tool shall convert that pdf to 
>> pdf/a-1b with Ghostscript in an destination folder and rename the original 
>> one.
>> 
>> Is there anything i should keep in mind? Are there any pitfalls?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
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Hot Folders solution for Windows with LC

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

before i reinvent the wheel...

Has anyone on the list already created a solution for monitoring a folder on 
Windows (server) for new files and to do some action on that new files?

I need to create a tool that monitors a folder on Windows Server 2019  and if a 
new pdf file is in the folder, the tool shall convert that pdf to pdf/a-1b with 
Ghostscript in an destination folder and rename the original one.

Is there anything i should keep in mind? Are there any pitfalls?

Regards,
Matthias


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Re: Stack with the same name loop

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I am using a little plugin for this. It allows me to save the stack file under 
an other name. 

For those who are interested...
https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=copyStack.livecode 


When it opens it displays the name of the current top stack. If you want to 
copy an other opened stack then switch to that stack and click into the plugin 
window to get the name of the "new" top stack.
To save a copy of that stack press the little icon. You'll then see a Save As 
dialog.

I am sure it could be improved, but it does what i want to achieve with it.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 07.10.2021 um 05:27 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> 
> I do something similar but it's a lot less trouble.
> 
> Save the stack.
> Go to Finder /Explorer and duplicate it. Rename the copy.
> Go back to LC and carry on with the original. You can update the name or any 
> properties there.
> 
> Occasionally as I work I realize that I've implemented a lot of changes that 
> I may not want to keep. So before I save the stack, I duplicate it in Finder 
> so I have a copy of the one I'm working on as it was before I wrote myself 
> into a corner. That's come in handy.
> 
> I don't have much trouble with the duplicate stack dialog because I always 
> hit the Purge button which removes the first one from memory and opens the 
> second one. I don't remember ever actually seeing a loop. If I want to work 
> with two same-named stacks together I have two methods.
> 
> 1. Open one of them in another copy of LC. I always have at least 3 different 
> versions running at the same time, and yes, you have to be careful when you 
> do that. I usually choose this method because most often I just want to copy 
> a handler or a control.
> 
> 2. Temporarily rename the first one slightly, open the second, do what you 
> want, then close and remove the second one from memory and set the name of 
> the first one back to normal.
> 
> None of this has ever required me to quit LC. I suppose now that I've 
> mentioned it, something will happen...
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> On October 6, 2021 7:04:07 PM "Brian K. Duck via use-livecode" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> My process has become:
>> Save the file in LiveCode.
>> Close the file from LiveCode, purge from memory.
>> Switch to Finder (Mac) or Windows Explorer, or QUIT LiveCode,
>> Duplicate and rename the file,
>> Open the new file,
>> Return to LiveCode,
>> Rename the file in stack properties, if there isa version number in the 
>> stack name.
>> 
>> It may be needless to say, this is usually a 1x or 2x a day process.
>> 
>> TL;DR: don’t ’save as,’ save, close, quit LC, duplicate in finder / windows 
>> explorer, open new file, rename stack in stack properties - if there is a 
>> version no in the stack name.
>> 
>> Even then, I occasionally see the message. Then i repeat and QUIT LiveCode.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad,
>> Brian Duck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Can someone give the definitive answer as to what to choose when I save my
>>> stack with a save as to create a new iterative version and it comes up with
>>> the prompt :
>>> A stack with the same name as the one you are trying to load is
>>> already open.
>>>   SavePurgeCancel
>> 
>> Option 4: avoid the hassle.
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Re: Warning in standalone builder

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

The standalone builder got some changes some time ago. So maybe with that 
changes the behavior how the builder searches for externals was also reworked.

Anyway, you've got it working again. That's the main thing.

> Am 28.09.2021 um 13:49 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hello Matthias,
> 
> that is correct.
> The funny thing is, that I've never copied my externals to this folder in one 
> of my older versions, but never got this warning. (obviously I'd copied the 
> relevant files to my standalone manually)
> 
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>> Im Auftrag von matthias rebbe 
> via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. September 2021 14:40
> An: How to use LiveCode  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de 
> <mailto:matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de>
> Betreff: Re: Warning in standalone builder
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> you have to move the external also to the runtime folder. Otherwise the 
> standalone builder cannot build include/find the external.
> 
> See this lesson here
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder
>  
> <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder><https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder
>  
> <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder>>
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 

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AW: Warning in standalone builder

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hello Matthias,

that is correct.
The funny thing is, that I've never copied my externals to this folder in one 
of my older versions, but never got this warning. (obviously I'd copied the 
relevant files to my standalone manually)

Thanks
Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Gesendet: Montag, 27. September 2021 14:40
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
Betreff: Re: Warning in standalone builder

Tiemo,

you have to move the external also to the runtime folder. Otherwise the 
standalone builder cannot build include/find the external.

See this lesson here
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder
 
<https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder>


Regards,
Matthias


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Re: Warning in standalone builder

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Tiemo,

you have to move the external also to the runtime folder. Otherwise the 
standalone builder cannot build include/find the external.

See this lesson here
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/6347-how-to-install-3rd-party-externals-for-use-in-the-ide-and-standalone-builder
 



Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.09.2021 um 13:48 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I am trying again to ask, if anybody knows this warning (see below) or even
> has a solution?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  > Im Auftrag von
> Tiemo via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2021 12:07
> An: LiveCode User Liste senden  >
> Cc: toolb...@kestner.de 
> Betreff: Warning in standalone builder
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> 
> 
> I get a warning when building a standalone on Win: "Windows x86-32, external
> No externals.txt config file found for enhancedwin"
> 
> I am using the enhancedwin dll and have put the externals.txt into the
> following folders:
> 
> * \MyDevelopingFolder\Externals\
> * C:\Users\myAccount\Documents\My LiveCode\Externals\
> 
> Where else is the LC standalone builder missing this externals.txt file?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Where You See Do You See Your Android Apps?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

BR,

you mean your are logged in in your developer account at developer.google.com 
and want to see all your apps?

If yes, you should see a "Launch Playstore" in the middle of the website 
directly after you've logged in. Click on that button/text and you will be 
asked to select the developer account. After selecting and confirming the 
developer account PlayConsole is launched and  you should see all your apps.


Regards,
Matthias

> I am logged as a...@hindu.org
> 
> Where do discover
> 
> SivaSiva
> Gurudeva
> Spiritual Workshop
> Hinduism Today
> 
> ??
> 
> https://developer.android.com
> 
> I can’t find any URLs that get me there SivaSiva?
> 
> BR
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Re: Building Windows standalones on Mac with LC 9.6.4 or later - apps not launching?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Ben,

i tried here and created a Windows standalone (both 32 and 64 bit) on Big Sur 
with LC 9.6.4 and moved it to a Windows 10 machine.
The created standalone could be opened without any problem on Windows.

Do you have manual selected the inclusions in standalone settings  or did you 
let LC IDE search for inclusions?


Or maybe this is a Antivirus / Firewall problem? Maybe your standalone was 
blocked without any notification.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 24.09.2021 um 13:39 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Has anyone else encountered an issue building Windows standalones from LC 
> 9.6.4 or 9.6.5 on Mac?
> 
> What I'm seeing is that the process is suspiciously fast; but generates the 
> expected files (.exe, the various dlls); and the .exe is the expected size, 
> almost identical to what is produced under LC 9.6.3.
> 
> However when this is moved to a Windows machine:
> 
> - attempting to open in the Explorer simply nothing happens.
> 
> - attempting to launch the standalone from command line is met with the 
> message "Access is denied" (although security properties allow Read).
> 
> Symptoms are exactly the same whether the standalone was built for x86 or 
> x86-64. Same if built from either LC 9.6.4 and on LC 9.6.5 (rc 1).
> 
> Before I report this in the LQCC and make myself look stupid - has anyone 
> else built a Windows standalone from Mac on LC 9.6.4 or later, and did it 
> work?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
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Re: iOS 15 - Xcode version

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

What i forgot to mention.

I am on Big Sur with XCode 12.5.

> Am 23.09.2021 um 19:47 schrieb matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de:
> 
> i had here a similar problem. My test app created with LC 9.6.4 worked until 
> i upgraded to iOS 15.
> Pressing the icon to start it, opened the app and then it crashed back to iOS 
> Home Screen.
> Btw. push notifications for that app still worked.
> 
> I got it working again by creating the standalone again and then deploying it 
> to the phone.
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 23.09.2021 um 19:35 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hello Marty,
>> 
>> Does that happen with every app you build, even with the simplest one (e.g.
>> just a card and a button?
>> 
>> In any case, could you file a bug report and attach your sample stack, so
>> that we investigate and fix it asap.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Panos
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021, 20:08 Marty Knapp via use-livecode, <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just local testing. I’m using LC 9.6.3, Mojave and Xcode 11.3.1. Worked
>>> fine for iOS 14.8
>>> 
>>> Marty
>>> 
 On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 I'm in the same boat. We have an app in the App Store, built with
>>> Mojave, do we know if that's affected? Or were you just doing local testing?
 --
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 On September 23, 2021 11:53:32 AM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> I just updated my iPhone to iOS 15 and now my LC built app won’t run
>>> (developer needs to update). Yes I should have checked that out before I
>>> updated. My app was running on the previous iOS fine and is built with the
>>> latest version of LC running on Mojave and Xcode 11.3.1. I can’t seem to
>>> find the info on pairing LC with the proper version of Xcode. I’m kinda
>>> wondering if I’ll need to upgrade from Mojave to Big Sur but have resisted
>>> due to some older 32 bit apps that I use…
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Marty
>>> 
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Re: iOS 15 - Xcode version

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

i had here a similar problem. My test app created with LC 9.6.4 worked until i 
upgraded to iOS 15.
Pressing the icon to start it, opened the app and then it crashed back to iOS 
Home Screen.
Btw. push notifications for that app still worked.

I got it working again by creating the standalone again and then deploying it 
to the phone.



> Am 23.09.2021 um 19:35 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello Marty,
> 
> Does that happen with every app you build, even with the simplest one (e.g.
> just a card and a button?
> 
> In any case, could you file a bug report and attach your sample stack, so
> that we investigate and fix it asap.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021, 20:08 Marty Knapp via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just local testing. I’m using LC 9.6.3, Mojave and Xcode 11.3.1. Worked
>> fine for iOS 14.8
>> 
>> Marty
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in the same boat. We have an app in the App Store, built with
>> Mojave, do we know if that's affected? Or were you just doing local testing?
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On September 23, 2021 11:53:32 AM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my iPhone to iOS 15 and now my LC built app won’t run
>> (developer needs to update). Yes I should have checked that out before I
>> updated. My app was running on the previous iOS fine and is built with the
>> latest version of LC running on Mojave and Xcode 11.3.1. I can’t seem to
>> find the info on pairing LC with the proper version of Xcode. I’m kinda
>> wondering if I’ll need to upgrade from Mojave to Big Sur but have resisted
>> due to some older 32 bit apps that I use…
 
 Thanks for any help,
 Marty
>> 
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Re: Starter Plan runtimes

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Seems so,
in the forums Kevin stated that Livecode Ltd. changed the licensing of student 
plan.
That license now includes permanent standalones.



> Am 22.09.2021 um 15:45 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> saw this on the LC website.
> 
>> Starter Plan
>> ...
>> Permanent Standalone(s)
>> No. Standalone applications built with LiveCode Starter Plan 
>> will expire if your subscription lapses. 
> 
> was I dreaming when I read on the forum, that this is NOT be the case anymore?
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
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> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: LC IDE Menu suddenly is slow / responds slowly

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Rick,

thanks. When this happens, the memory consumption is not significantly higher. 
Right after start of LC it's about 160MB. When the problem occurs and the IDE 
menu responds slower then the memory consumption is about 300MB.

I will stay with 9.6.3 the next days, so i can see if it's just with 9.6.4 or 
also with 9.6.3.

Matthias


> Am 17.09.2021 um 15:49 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Check to see if after later use the memory consumption gets a lot larger.
> It could be a memory leak, or garbage collection failure.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:25 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not 
>> right away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
>> I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then 
>> about 2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu
>> 
>> But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact 
>> that i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.
>> 
>> Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not 
>> able to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my 
>> testing is too short.
>> 
>> In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory 
>> consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.
>> 
>> After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it 
>> slows down. 
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior? 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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LC IDE Menu suddenly is slow / responds slowly

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi, 

i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not right 
away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then about 
2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu

But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact that 
i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.

Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not able 
to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my testing 
is too short.

In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory 
consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.

After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it slows 
down. 


Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior? 


Regards,

Matthias




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Re: M1 Mac possible problem

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Works now.

One thing i noticed is that although the language is set to english, the 
program settings dialog shows Chinese text.


Regards,
Matthias



Am 15.09.2021 um 07:17 schrieb Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
:
> 
> Hi to all those that did a test of my Music In the Air program some days ago 
> on your Mac.
> 
> I think I have fixed the installation problem. Would you do a quick test to 
> see if it runs now?
> 
> https://artsinteractive-products.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/MITA/TestVersion/MITA-installer-mac-china.dmg
> 
> 
> I found a variety of anomalies that might have contributed to the problem, 
> but I’ll wait to see if it’s better now…
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 3:41 PM, Mark Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Apologies, I should have mentioned it: 2.3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Matthias, Bernard, and Mark!
>>> 
>>> I’m seeing that the issue is probably not processor related. Bernard on an 
>>> M1 didn’t have trouble. Matthias on Intel did, as well as Mark who didn’t 
>>> specify what he had—but the bad results do mirror exactly what the Chinese 
>>> user was seeing on her M1.
>>> 
>>> The final card that becomes unresponsive is because of a semi-opaque 
>>> overlay that’s a setup for a license activation group to show on top. At 
>>> that point the program is trying to read a local file that contains the 
>>> current license info—if the local license file doesn’t exist (new user), it 
>>> will load the license group with a field to enter a key, or the user can 
>>> choose to continue with the free limited version. The script is seeming to 
>>> stop around that point.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to make the problem show for me, including what Matthias 
>>> suggested—running it from the installer which does seem to work normally. I 
>>> also tried deleting the pref file containing language and location choices 
>>> that was written at the opening, in hopes of narrowing it down to an 
>>> inability to write or read a file from the pref folder in the library. 
>>> Deleting the pref file caused a script error that shows the standard LC 
>>> error dialog added by the installer, so it’s not that.
>>> 
>>> So apparently something in my script is failing to complete for some users. 
>>> This was built with LC 9.6.1. I’ll work on it more…
>>> 
>>> Peter Bogdanoff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 4:45 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> i have not an M1, but am always interested what can be produced with LC.
>>>> 
>>>> I tested your program and noticed that although i switched to English and 
>>>> World i see a button with chinese text on the next page.
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding your problem.
>>>> Is it possible by any change that your user is running the app from 
>>>> mounted DMG? At least then it does not go any further after pressing the 
>>>> button with chinese text. The next card, which displays J.S Bach i think, 
>>>> comes up, but the menu in the middle is greyed out and the program stops.
>>>> When quitting it still prompts if you want to quit. But none of the menu 
>>>> entries work.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 10.09.2021 um 07:56 schrieb Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A particular user of my Music In the Air program is having trouble with 
>>>>> it running correctly; a card fails to load the data to go ahead. She is 
>>>>> in China and is using an M1 Mac, neither of which I have access to 
>>>>> directly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would someone who has an M1 try running it and letting me know what 
>>>>> happens? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://artsinteractive-products.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/MITA/TestVersion/MITA-installer-mac-china.dmg
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://artsinteractive-products.s3.us-we

Re: Couple of HTML questions

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Colin,

i my previous comment i posted a link to a html5 stack which posts the selected 
text of a field to a Livecode Server script. Posting should definitely work.



> Am 14.09.2021 um 00:42 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I do see a message when trying the post, that says exception thrown, see 
> JavaScript Console. There are too many error lines to be sure which one of 
> them is important. I get no error when trying to set the style of the text, 
> which makes me think that the field is a plain text field.
> 
> When I test the stack inside LiveCode, the style changes and the post are 
> working.
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> If it is HTML5 deployment you are looking to do from LC, how time critical
>> is your project? At the moment, HTML5 deployment is still quite broken in
>> many ways. It may be best to wait until LC10 which is using a whole new
>> engine (which looks very promising).
>> 
>> That said, the current engine 'CAN' do what you have 'asked' for sure, both
>> 'post tData to URL(tUrl)' and 'set the textstyle of char 10 to 20 of fld
>> "myField" to "bold"' (although that will depend on what texttype is already
>> in that field potentially - it can be a bit kooky at times).
>> 
>> Other things in html5 deployment you will run into that will most likely
>> frustrate a little.
>> 
>> Regarding 'post', note the following from the LC dictionary:
>> Cross-platform note: The HTML5 engine only supports HTTP and HTTPs
>> protocols. ((ie, you can't use file;//, ftp://, etc))
>> Cross-platform note: URLs fetched by the HTML5 engine from a domain other
>> than that of the hosting the page may be blocked by web browsers, unless
>> the server hosting the URL sets the "Access-Control-Origin" header
>> appropriately. ((But as you are likely hosting the PHP you will have
>> control over that))
>> 
>> If you run into any specific HTML5 deployment issues I'd be happy to help
>> you through if you want to PM me at all.
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:20, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Colin,
>>> 
>>> just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.
>>> 
>>> Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works.
>>> (see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html <
>>> https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html>)
>>> 
>>> What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the
>>> style already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is
>>> reset to plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text,
>>> that then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled
>>> text editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for
>>> that part as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then
>>> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
>>>> 
>>>> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
>>>> 
>>>> post data to URL theurl
>>>> 
>>>> and:
>>>> 
>>>> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Colin,

just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.

Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works. 
(see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html 
) 

What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the style 
already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is reset to 
plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text, that 
> then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled text 
> editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for that part 
> as well.
> 
> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then 
> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
> 
> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
> 
> post data to URL theurl
> 
> and:
> 
> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
> 
> 
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Re: M1 Mac possible problem

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Ouf course i meant

Is it possible by any chance

> Am 10.09.2021 um 10:45 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Is it possible by any change t

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Re: M1 Mac possible problem

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Dear Peter,

i have not an M1, but am always interested what can be produced with LC.

I tested your program and noticed that although i switched to English and World 
i see a button with chinese text on the next page.

Regarding your problem.
Is it possible by any change that your user is running the app from mounted 
DMG? At least then it does not go any further after pressing the button with 
chinese text. The next card, which displays J.S Bach i think, comes up, but the 
menu in the middle is greyed out and the program stops.
When quitting it still prompts if you want to quit. But none of the menu 
entries work.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 10.09.2021 um 07:56 schrieb Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A particular user of my Music In the Air program is having trouble with it 
> running correctly; a card fails to load the data to go ahead. She is in China 
> and is using an M1 Mac, neither of which I have access to directly.
> 
> Would someone who has an M1 try running it and letting me know what happens? 
> 
> https://artsinteractive-products.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/MITA/TestVersion/MITA-installer-mac-china.dmg
>  
> 
> 
> 
> This is a limited demo version, otherwise fully functional, and will be 
> initially in Chinese, but there is an English choice at the startup.
> 
> Thanks very much, and you can let me know off list what happens.
> 
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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

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Btw. this is how Merriam-Webster thinks about couple, few and several.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/couple-few-several-use 
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/couple-few-several-use>



> Am 09.09.2021 um 00:08 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> More than three. 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 09.09.2021 um 00:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Then what does a few mean? 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 14:49 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) 
>>> 
>>> 'ein Paar' (a couple)  means 2
>>> 'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes
>>> 
>>> 'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range.
>>> 'ein paar Schuhe' means 2 or 3 or somewhere in the range shoes 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the English lessons in school  we learned  that for example  'a couple 
>>> of days' meant 2 or 3 or somewhere in that range.
>>> And when we used  'couple' as a noun then it was meant as  2 that belong to 
>>> each other or however you would call that.
>>> e.g. married couple, bird couple. That's the way i use 'couple" now for 
>>> more than 40 years. 
>>> 
>>> Don't tell me that i was wrong more than 40 years. ;) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.09.2021 um 21:54 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> My husband said the same when I told him about this thread. "Couple" means 
>>>> two. I said yes, but colloquially it can mean "two or three or somewhere 
>>>> in that range." We almost started a longer discussion about it, but I 
>>>> reminded him of our 30+ years of ongoing talk about a "fact" so we both 
>>>> stopped.
>> 
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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

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More than three. 



> Am 09.09.2021 um 00:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Then what does a few mean? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 14:49 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) 
>> 
>> 'ein Paar' (a couple)  means 2
>> 'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes
>> 
>> 'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range.
>> 'ein paar Schuhe' means 2 or 3 or somewhere in the range shoes 
>> 
>> 
>> In the English lessons in school  we learned  that for example  'a couple of 
>> days' meant 2 or 3 or somewhere in that range.
>> And when we used  'couple' as a noun then it was meant as  2 that belong to 
>> each other or however you would call that.
>> e.g. married couple, bird couple. That's the way i use 'couple" now for more 
>> than 40 years. 
>> 
>> Don't tell me that i was wrong more than 40 years. ;) 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 08.09.2021 um 21:54 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> My husband said the same when I told him about this thread. "Couple" means 
>>> two. I said yes, but colloquially it can mean "two or three or somewhere in 
>>> that range." We almost started a longer discussion about it, but I reminded 
>>> him of our 30+ years of ongoing talk about a "fact" so we both stopped.
> 
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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

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How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) 

'ein Paar' (a couple)  means 2
'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes

'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range.
'ein paar Schuhe' means 2 or 3 or somewhere in the range shoes 


In the English lessons in school  we learned  that for example  'a couple of 
days' meant 2 or 3 or somewhere in that range.
And when we used  'couple' as a noun then it was meant as  2 that belong to 
each other or however you would call that.
e.g. married couple, bird couple. That's the way i use 'couple" now for more 
than 40 years. 

Don't tell me that i was wrong more than 40 years. ;) 


> Am 08.09.2021 um 21:54 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> My husband said the same when I told him about this thread. "Couple" means 
> two. I said yes, but colloquially it can mean "two or three or somewhere in 
> that range." We almost started a longer discussion about it, but I reminded 
> him of our 30+ years of ongoing talk about a "fact" so we both stopped.


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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

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> Brand New Web Deployment Experience usingWeb Assembly (WASM)
>   - I have no idea what WASM is.  There have always been complaints about 
> web deployment in the past.  Do you think this will make a difference?
> 

https://www.qt.io/qt-examples-for-webassembly 


Overview of supported Browsers and roadmap
https://webassembly.org/roadmap/


See some samples  created with QT in action, you'll need at least Firefox 91 or 
Chrome 90 for this. 
https://www.qt.io/qt-examples-for-webassembly 







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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

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+1



> Am 06.09.2021 um 13:20 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Don’t know how many people here remember that they tried that approach with 
> Dreamcard. I really like it, but in the end it didn’t work for the company. I 
> see many members here in the list saying “what should be done”, “what would 
> have worked”, and I wanted to remember every one that while speculation is 
> fun and a healthy practice, it is not necessarily a representation of truth. 
> We don’t know what could have worked, very few people here know the day to 
> day managing of LiveCode Ltd to judge what are their best options. What 
> people here can do is lobby from the user’s point of view, and yet I see a 
> ton of people “playing CEO with these emails”, that is not productive IMHO.
> 
> Let’s take a step back for a second and realise as a community we lack many 
> things that other programming language communities have. We do have a very 
> healthy mailing list, forum, and occasional conference. We’re all friends, 
> and many of us have known each other for decades. Those are things that many, 
> if not most, programming language communities do not have. And yet we have 
> not fostered many of the ancillary things that most communities do. 
> 
> * We have very few open source projects in the community, and the ones we 
> have have very few contributors.
> * We have not build anything like a package manager to help us share code 
> around. The IDE built-in extension store, and code sharing features are 
> extremely simple.
> * We don’t have an ecosystem of tools and libraries around. We have some 
> tools and some libraries.
> * We don’t have many people writing blogs, making videos, writing books, and 
> fostering the community. 
> * There are very few services and companies besides LiveCode Ltd offering 
> products to the community.
> 
> 
> All items mentioned above are important regardless if LiveCode Community 
> Edition is around or not. Without those things, it is very hard for any FOSS 
> initiative to blossom. Without those things, it is very hard to make a 
> programming language community feel vibrant and alive. We had eight years of 
> LC Community Edition, and as a community we haven’t really cared to nurture 
> it. Very few people contributed patches. We all loved having it, we were just 
> not putting enough care into it. And that is how FOSS dies.
> 
> What is most important is that the Community Edition was not the on-ramp path 
> to attract new users and then lead them towards a commercial license. What 
> happened was the opposite, Community users stayed with the Community Edition 
> and many paying users migrated to the FOSS offer. If the business model of LC 
> was different, if they had structured it all differently, maybe it could have 
> worked, but that is just speculation, we don’t know it might have failed in 
> such manner that LC Ltd would be dead.
> 
> What I do know, and I know quite a lot about programming language 
> communities, is that without more than just a mailing list and forum, you 
> can’t have a vibrant community. Without a community that feels engaging and 
> alive, you don’t get new users.
> 
> I’m happy paying for my license because I can see the value LC provides me, 
> and how my money directly affects their ability to output quality stuff. I 
> love FOSS, but I’d rather have a healthy LC Ltd around with the resources to 
> keep building amazing goodies. We as a community can build all the cool stuff 
> around the proprietary language, there is a ton of things we could have that 
> would make this a more lively place. 
> 
> The question is, who here wants to build stuff? 
> 
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Re: 9.6.4-gm-1 what?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

The "old" download was build 15551 and had a problem with building HTML5 
standalones.

The new one is build 15552  which has that bug fixed.

See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23317 


Regards,

Matthias



> Am 06.09.2021 um 13:26 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> So, I launched 9.6.4 today and got a notification to download 9.6.4-gm-1, 
> this is not a version scheme that LC has been using before. I remember them 
> being DP for developer previews, then becoming RC for release candidates, and 
> then stable. I don’t remember Gold Masters in their versions, which I assume 
> would be the stable version. 
> 
> Now, if I’m downloading 9.6.4-gm-1 now, what have I been running with 9.6.4? 
> I though that was the stable version.
> 
> Oh, and the download page still doesn’t list past DP and RCs.
> 
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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

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I must admit, that i totally agree with you.



> Am 05.09.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> .
> 
> Largest user demographic? Free-loaders who contributed no money but plenty
> of baseless whining?
> 
> So many protest poverty but I'm 100% certain they spend more every year
> than the cost of an annual license fee on plenty of other things. Some of
> us paid for a license for years in order to fund something we believed in
> and wanted to see thrive, even though that meant having to forego stuff
> that the free-loaders would instead be spending their money on. FWIW my
> health problems have made it difficult for me to do any work that required
> keeping regular hours or even being able to keep appointments. Yet I'd
> bought licenses for 18 years before I bought a lifetime license (I still
> have unused licenses in my account, at one point in the last few years I
> had three concurrent licenses).  When I hear "can't afford" I translate it
> into "I prioritise my spending differently".  "If I don't make any
> financial contribution to LC Ltd I can get a new iPhone" - that kind of
> thing.  I just sacrificed other things in order to keep supporting LC.
> 
> When they had their free toys taken away the rampant hostility from the
> free-loaders shows what little value they brought.  Some of those whining
> free-loaders have barely made 80 posts on the Forum in the past 8 years.
> Despite being a continuous license payer, despite my health problems, I
> freely gave hundreds of hours of help to people on the Forum. Some of them
> are saying "if LC Ltd had had a donate button, I'd have sent them some
> money". Yeah, right - contacting LC Ltd and asking how they could
> contribute financially was beyond their abilities.
> 
> In 25 years on the internet, I've never before seen such a collection of
> valueless people as these whiners (they wouldn't be tolerated in any other
> business or open source community).  Most of the users of the Community
> edition are of so little value that they can't even be bothered to take
> part in the Forum and provide support to other users! When I look at the
> whiners compared to how few posts they even made on the Forum, I'm filled
> with disgust.  Have they no shame? They contribute neither time nor money.
> 
> It's simple. Those who aren't parasites will decide to start contributing
> financially. Those who are parasites will go away, and live off some other
> community - and the absence of parasites will be beneficial. If just one of
> those who isn't a parasite takes out a standard license it will take him
> nearly 20 years to contribute as much financially as I have _since_ the
> "community" edition was launched. People like me could have simply stopped
> paying and used "the free edition" too, and this situation would have come
> about much sooner. If it turns out all of those who used the Community
> edition were parasites, what has LC Ltd lost if they vanish?
> 
> Parasite might sound like a strong word, but what word do you use for
> someone who takes, takes, takes but never gives back, contributing nothing
> else than to make an organism weaker?
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

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Alex,

i am not sure, if everyone is aware of it, but standalones that were created 
with the Starter Plan license will expire as soon as the Startert Plan 
subscription expires.

Matthias


> Am 01.09.2021 um 10:29 schrieb Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thanks Curry. You are absolutely right, everything I said was about the 
> starter plan, not the standard plan.
> 
> With that correction: “I am surprised there is no annual option on the 
> starter (hobbyist) plan”.
> 
> Thanks, 
>  Alex the hobbyist.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Sep 2021, at 01:55, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Alex:
>> 
>>> I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option
>>> on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan
>> 
>> "The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts
>> at $299 per deployment platform per year"
>> 
>> "LiveCode Starter Plan
>> A great way to get started with LiveCode
>> and for those who like to code as a hobby"
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry Kenworthy
>> 
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Re: Licensing model change

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You speak from my heart. 
I had exactly the same thoughts about a free version. And i was proven right at 
least here in my edged circle (i hope that is the correct expression). Whenever 
I suggested to people, who used the software for creating internally for their 
company, to support LC at least with a Community Plus subscription, I always 
got the same answer: Why should I buy a license when I can do everything with 
the free version.  :)

Although i have a lifetime Indy License, i have an "add-on" subscription to 
Business, although i even do not use any of the Business features at the 
moment. But i will keep this subscription as long as i can afford paying it.

The only thing that is really a pity with this new change is, that there is no 
Livecode Server Community anymore. My hope was, that the free version of 
Livecode Server would be installed by more and more  hosting providers in the 
future.
But maybe Livecode will be evaluating something, so interested hosting 
providers could still install Livecode Server on their hosting platforms for 
free.

Matthias


> Am 01.09.2021 um 02:03 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I honestly never quite saw how offering a free version alongside commercial 
> versions was going to fly. People need to eat, and if you give something away 
> for free, people will simply not pay for it. 
> 
> I did the free version for a couple years, mainly because what I create helps 
> almost exclusively myself, and I do not sell anything. I am on Indy for a 
> couple years now because I feel bad about using the software for free, and I 
> feel like I need to contribute to the "cause", which is not purely altruistic 
> by the way. The loss of Livecode would pretty much mean the end of my 
> development hobby. 
> 
> Overall I welcome this new approach. If you are using LC for free, please 
> consider getting on a subscription, especially if you develop regularly. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 09:16 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just read and watched Kevin's announcement about LC licensing.
>> The value for us in the OSS license was simply a greater level of assurance
>> that there would be longevity in the event that LC the company failed, as
>> the source was still there for someone else to pick up. I think that's how
>> MC -> RR.
>> So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in the event
>> of a business failure, however, I'm also respectful of the need for more
>> revenue.
>> I will leave it to others to discuss the failure of LC to deliver x,y,z and
>> how that plays into the situation.
>> I am also not privy to a recent P/L, so I am in a bad position to opine on
>> what they should do or prioritize.
>> 
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Re: 9.6.4?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

And there seems to be new pricing. One can now create customized LC 
subscriptions.. So one can for example could select only macOS and iOS as 
deployment platform. Any combination is now possible. 
I think that is a really good new change.



> Am 31.08.2021 um 17:45 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> not only that but community and community plus also vanished...
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:41, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And where are the Livecode Server downloads?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 31.08.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Something funky is going on the website. It was off for maintenance a 
>>> couple minutes ago and then all of a sudden, I receive a notification from 
>>> the updater stack to download 9.6.4
>>> 
>>> There was no release cycle for 9.6.4. The release is marked as stable. 
>>> Where were the DPs and RCs for that release?
>>> 
>>> Went to https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
>>> <https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/> and wow, all the DP and RC are 
>>> gone. Only stable versions are listed. What is going on?
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Re: 9.6.4?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

And where are the Livecode Server downloads?



> Am 31.08.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Something funky is going on the website. It was off for maintenance a couple 
> minutes ago and then all of a sudden, I receive a notification from the 
> updater stack to download 9.6.4
> 
> There was no release cycle for 9.6.4. The release is marked as stable. Where 
> were the DPs and RCs for that release?
> 
> Went to https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
>  and wow, all the DP and RC are 
> gone. Only stable versions are listed. What is going on?
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Re: SivaSiva: in htmltext, is there a link to a separate stack?

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BR,

i am not sure about the last part of your post 

in there... to a stack called  card "listen-collections" with 
...


If i understand it right so far, you want to open/load a stack when clicking on 
a link in an LC field, right?

If so,

then the linkClicked message should be your friend.

Lets say the htmltext of a field looks like this


TEST

https://livecode.dermattes.de/uselist/br/JustHello.livecode;>https://livecode.dermattes.de/uselist/br/JustHello.livecode

TEST2



Then the following script would allow to load the stack JustHello.livecode when 
clicking on the html link.

on linkClicked pLink

if plink ends with ".livecode"

then

go stack URL plink

else

launch URL pLink

end if

end linkClicked



I've uploaded a sample stack for you. You can downloaded it here  
https://livecode.dermattes.de/uselist/br/br.livecode 
 


Regards,

Matthias



> Am 20.08.2021 um 03:41 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> In SivaSiva, we are going to another stack,
> 
> On mouseup
>portal_GoStack ("Siva-Siva-Portal")
> end mouseup
> 
> in a lib_SivaSivaPortal we have this handle:
> 
> command portal_GoStack cardOrStackObject
>   [snip]
>   put the short name of this stack into oStackName
>   go cardOrStackObject
> end portal_GoStack
> 
> Now, in case of
> 
> Siva-Siva-Portal.livecode
> 
> On mouseup
> put the short name of the target into tTarget
> switch tTarget
> 
> case "News"
> put url ("file:"& path_Documents()& "assets/info/siva-app-news.html") into 
> tNews
> set the htmltext of fld "helpField" to tNews
> 
> 
> So, in the htmltext
> 
> set the htmltext of fld "helpField" to tNews
> 
> in there a “link” that would take you, by example, to a stack called
> 
> card “listen-collections” with in “listen.livecode”
> 
> ??
> 
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Re: Hard case

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Ah, i see.

While testing Richmonds expression i tested also some other expressions i 
wanted to know if they work in a switch statement. Therefore i used the answer 
dialog to see, which case was 'executed'.



> Am 12.08.2021 um 15:46 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi.
> 
> The parentheses around your case statement:
> 
> case (xitem contains "@“)
> 
> are fine, though unnecessary, unless you just like them for readability.
> 
> I just wanted to point out that in the line:
> 
>> answer "xItem contains @"
> 
> The quotes are not merely superfluous, rather, they must not be there at all.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Craig Newman  wrote:
>> 
>>> answer "xItem contains @"
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Re: Hard case

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

With my sample script i  just wanted to show to Richmond  that

case (xitem contains "@")

definitely works. Or did i misread his post?





> Am 12.08.2021 um 14:44 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> You must not include quotes in the answer line. That will always simply 
> return the string "xItem contains @“
> But losing those quotes does indeed return “true”.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 6:24 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> put "@ " into xItem
>> 
>> switch
>> 
>> case (xItem contains "@")
>> 
>> answer "xItem contains @"
>> 
>> break
>> 
>> end switch
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Re: Hard case

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

This script here

put "@ " into xItem

switch

case (xItem contains "@")

answer "xItem contains @"

break

end switch


definitely shows up the answer dialog. 



> Am 12.08.2021 um 12:00 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> This sort of thing does not seem to be working:
> 
> case (XITEM contains "@")
> 
> Richmond
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Re: [iOS] possible console bug

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I tested here with Big Sur/LC9.6.3 RC2 and Simulator.

I can confirm that doing it like Panos described will show the put output.

But you have to press the "Start" icon at the top in Console app  before the 
put output is captured by the Console app. 
So if you did the output in the app before you pressed the "start" button, that 
previous output is not listed in the console. Only 'put outputs' which where 
done after pressing start are listed in the log.


Regards
Matthias


> Am 28.07.2021 um 15:57 schrieb panagiotis m via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello Andre,
> 
> I am good, thanks for asking. I hope you are well too :)
> 
> I just tested on Big Sur. I had to do an extra step:
> 
> When you see the "system.log" window, the one where there is no option to
> choose "iPhone 8" at the left, force quit the Console app. Then reopen the
> Console app directly, i.e. not through the Simulator, just go to
> /Applicatons/Utilities/Console and open it.
> 
> At this point you should see a different Console window, where choosing
> "iPhone 8" at the left should be possible. Again, filter by the standalone
> name because there is a lot of noise.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 16:39, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Panos,
>> 
>> Hope all is well with you my friend, thanks a lot for the speedy reply.
>> 
>> I think things might have changed in Big Sur because I see a different
>> console app. Mine doesn’t have a way to switch to this “iPhone 8” label.
>> Below is a screenshot from my console app:
>> 
>> https://andregarzia.com/files/console-window.png <
>> https://andregarzia.com/files/console-window.png>
>> 
>> The “system.log” being shown is definitely the iPhone 8 Simulator one, not
>> only because of the content but also because option-clicking the file on
>> top shows the path to it and it is coming from inside the CoreSimulator
>> folder.
>> 
>> Still, I don’t see any output from LiveCode standalone in it.
>> 
>> Best
>> A
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 14:19, panagiotis m via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Andre,
>>> 
>>> It works as expected for me.
>>> 
>>> MacOS Mojave
>>> Xcode 11.3
>>> iOS 13.3 Simulator
>>> 
>>> In the simulator go to Debug -> Open System Log
>>> This opens the Console app
>>> In the Console window, in the left hand side, you should see the name of
>>> the simulator (e.g. "iPhone 8"). Click on it.
>>> There will be a lot of logs, so I suggest to filter the output by the
>>> standalone name (e.g. type the standalone name, as it appears in the
>>> General tab of the S/B in the top right Search box of the Console window)
>>> 
>>> I have a button that does "put the milliseconds && "==="
>>> and I can see the expected output in the console logs every time I press
>>> the button in the simulator.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 16:04, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’m just bumping this thread because I haven’t been able to see any log
>>>> information when using the Simulator.
>>>> 
>>>> Can more people confirm this? Is this a bug, and if so who owns that bug
>>>> LC or Apple?
>>>> 
>>>> It becomes really hard to debug a mobile application when you can’t see
>>>> logs on the Simulator.
>>>> 
>>>> I made a recipe stack here, but I want to be sure before I fill a bug
>>>> report.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> A
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12 Jul 2021, at 23:58, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andre,
>>>>> 
>>>>> tested now with LC 9.6.3 and Xcode 12.4, as i am still on Catalina.
>>>> Took me some time to download Xcode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> i tried here with 2 different physical devices (iPhone 7 iOS 14.4 and
>>>> iPhone 12 iOS 14.6) and was able to see the output in the Console log
>>>> pressing the 'open console' button in Xcode's 'Devices and Simulators'
>>>> (shift CMD 2)
>>>>> 
>&

Re: httpd library

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Andre,

the original poster in the forum
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11=207421=20e6800951126812dc379fe4ebe7b7cd#p207421

wants to allow to upload a csv file from a client computer to the web server on 
the mobile app using a html form.
And that is not working.

Regards,
Matthias




> Am 26.07.2021 um 00:18 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Just an update, the httpd library works on mobile. The httpd library I’m 
> mentioning here is the one bundled with LiveCode. I think Malte built it, it 
> is very similar to the one I built in the past but I am sure it is a bit 
> smarter.
> 
> I’ve created a demo stack at: 
> https://andregarzia.com/files/mobile-web-server-test.livecode.gz 
>  that I 
> tested on Android (on a real device) and on the iPhone Simulator on my macOS, 
> both worked.
> 
> Apparently there is a bug in the 9.6.3-rc-2. If you set “allow http 
> connections” on Android, it fails to build the app. I had to go to the custom 
> properties editor to delete that prop manually because I couldn’t edit it on 
> the standalone application settings after first trying to use it.
> 
> Hope this helps Bernard.
> 
>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 22:30, Andre Garzia  wrote:
>> 
>> I love when you folks call me a young man :-) I’ve been 41 for a while now 
>> and no one asks for my ID when I buy a beer anymore.
>> 
>> Well, back on topic, is there something wrong with the HTTPD library that 
>> LiveCode ships right now? It should serve for the purposes your friend wants.
>> 
>> I’m going to test it here to see if works (because I’m curious) and get back 
>> to this list with results.
>> 
>> Best
>> A
>> 
>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:50, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rick
>>> 
>>> Normally I'd agree with you (ever since Andre piped-up as a young man
>>> saying he was building a webserver in Livecode, I've thought "just use one
>>> of the many available webservers..")
>>> 
>>> However this user wants this running on a mobile device.  So he either
>>> gives up that idea or he starts going down the path of httpd.mc or Andre's
>>> webserver.
>>> 
>>> I was just trying to save him all the work that other's have done before.
>>> 
>>> Regards, Bernard
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:42 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bernard,
 
 The user should set up an LC Web Server with a database connected to it.
 
 The LC Apps should all then send information to the LC Server, and the
 Server
 will send information back to the LC Apps.
 
 I think any other way is going to be a huge waste of time and energy.
 
 Good luck,
 
 Rick
 
 
 
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Re: httpd library

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Maybe the user wants to allow connections rom desktop computers to the mobile 
App to upload data to the mobile app. 
The idea itself to do the data exchange with a webserver running on the mobile 
app is not bad.

Another solution would be mergFTPD, but that external is only available for iOS.



> Am 25.07.2021 um 17:41 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Bernard,
> 
> The user should set up an LC Web Server with a database connected to it.
> 
> The LC Apps should all then send information to the LC Server, and the Server 
> will send information back to the LC Apps.
> 
> I think any other way is going to be a huge waste of time and energy.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:35 AM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Over on the forum someone has run into what appear to be limitations of
>> LC's included httpd library.
>> 
>> I remember over the years seeing that various people implemented something
>> like this (Andre comes to mind).  The forum user wants to be able to run a
>> LC app on a mobile device within a LAN and have others POST binary data to
>> the LC app via HTTP.
>> 
>> Rather then tell him "you can build your own" I thought I'd ask if anyone
>> knew the whereabouts of any of the other httpd implementations.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Bernard
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Re: Stacks Tab in Standalone Application Settings all grayed out.

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Tom,

are you, by any chance, using a Community edition of LC? This would explain, 
why the section is greyed out. The Community editions of LC do not support 
encryption.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 20.07.2021 um 03:36 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I haven't been to the "Stacks" tab in Standalone Application Settings in a
> while ..
> But I wanted to test the stack encryption today and noticed that entire tab
> is greyed out and disabled.
> 
> It doesn't seem good.
> 
> I hope my stack is ok.  Everything seems to be working as expected.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom
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Re: Sending email with TLS (via Outlook) from LC 6.7 based app...

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

You could send out the emails with the command line tool curl using LC's shell 
function.

https://everything.curl.dev/usingcurl/smtp

So instead of calling the libSMTP library you create the email according to RFC 
to have correct smtp headers and sent it using curl through the shell() 
function.
That's the way how i did it at the time when tsNET was not yet released and i 
needed to send emails using TLS.

As 6.7.1 does not contain any of the mime library, you need to create the the 
raw email manually.

This lesson here
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/8184-sending-emails-from-livecode-server-scripts

explains how to send emails from Livecode Server scripts. The 
Please have a look at the sections about 'Formatting Email Headers' and 'Adding 
Attachments'. That information should give you a clue how to create the data 
correctly.

Regards,

Matthias




> Am 16.07.2021 um 16:08 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
> A very venerable app (original version perhaps 15 years ago) is still running 
> on a client's Windows box, every night, processing data and emailing a report.
> 
> The email is sent using Shao Sean's libSMTP library, which has performed 
> faithfully for all these years. Unfortunately, the client's replacing their 
> local smtp server with outlook365.com - which requires TLS authentication - 
> which I don't believe libSMTP supports.
> 
> The current version of the app is built in LiveCode 6.7.11. There is a huge 
> amount of text to be processed, and - as you might imagine after this long 
> development, with regular changes and additions - the processing is very 
> complex. A few years ago I did look at rebuilding it in LC 8/9, but because 
> of the changes to unicode handling there was a lot of perturbation in the 
> data, and there wasn't time/budget to track all this down in order to get a 
> reasonable new version. I still occasionally need to make tweaks to the 
> processing, but I do that in my trusty LC 6.7.11.
> 
> So now I've hit a problem. There still isn't budget for a major exercise to 
> rebuild it in a modern version of LiveCode, so I can't just switch to using 
> tsNet.
> 
> Is it theoretically possibly to tweak libSMTP to work with TLS, or is there 
> some basic limitation with LC 6.7 that would make that impossible? Are there 
> any other libraries that work with TLS? Or (I'm not a Windows person) is 
> there some simple way I could set up a local SMTP server on the Windows box 
> that would accept the email from my LiveCode app and forward it to outlook365?
> 
> Any suggestions or experience gratefully received.
> 
> Ben
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Re: How to scale the content of the Browser Widget

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

@Ralph @Keith

Thank you very much for your suggestions. I will try.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 14.07.2021 um 08:27 schrieb Keith Clarke via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> An idea extending Ralph's suggestion to use html, along with styling to do 
> the heavy lifting rather than JavaScript. A div with a background image might 
> do the trick...
> 
> Image title
>  repeat cover; "> 
> 
> ...where:
> ... 'vh' is viewport height units (as percentage) and '2rem' leaves some 
> space for the image title, (expressed as font size relative to that in the 
> html root element).
> 
> ...background provides for background images, and size as 'cover' fill the 
> containing div (with some scaling in one dimension that affects aspect ratio) 
> - so use 'contain' if you want the image to be as large as possible with its 
> aspect ratio left intact. See help for this background shorthand styling 
> examples and related information here 
> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_background_shorthand.asp
> 
> HTH
> Keith 
> 
>> On 13 Jul 2021, at 22:24, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> One way...
>> Create a local html template and replace an href place holder in the
>> template to the url of the web server image.
>> Then load the template page into the browser widget and let html do the
>> resizing heavy lifting. This will not break cors.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
>> Of matthias rebbe via use-livecode
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:00 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
>> Subject: How to scale the content of the Browser Widget
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i need to display jpeg images in the browser widget. The images are stored
>> on a webserver and i  have no control about the size of the images. 
>> What i can say is that the images are larger than the browser widget area.
>> Is there a way to scale the images so they are fully visible in the browser
>> widget? 
>> I do not want to temporarily store them on hard disk, resize them and then
>> display.
>> I need something like an "on the fly" scaling.  
>> I am wondering if this might be possible with Javascript? Unfortunately i am
>> not very used Javascript.
>> 
>> Does anyone know if this is possible?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
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How to scale the content of the Browser Widget

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

i need to display jpeg images in the browser widget. The images are stored on a 
webserver and i  have no control about the size of the images. 
What i can say is that the images are larger than the browser widget area.
Is there a way to scale the images so they are fully visible in the browser 
widget? 
I do not want to temporarily store them on hard disk, resize them and then 
display.
I need something like an "on the fly" scaling.  
I am wondering if this might be possible with Javascript? Unfortunately i am 
not very used Javascript.

Does anyone know if this is possible?

Regards,

Matthias


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Re: [iOS] possible console bug

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Andre,

tested now with LC 9.6.3 and Xcode 12.4, as i am still on Catalina.  Took me 
some time to download Xcode.

i tried here with 2 different physical devices (iPhone 7 iOS 14.4 and iPhone 12 
iOS 14.6) and was able to see the output in the Console log pressing the 'open 
console' button in Xcode's 'Devices and Simulators' (shift CMD 2)

I selected my device in that tool and pressed 'open console'. I had the 'Now' 
mode activated and filtered for my output. I could see the output.

But i still do not see it when using the simulator.

Regards,
Matthias

 

> Am 12.07.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jul 2021, at 16:02, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you run the app on a real iOS device, do you see your log messages in the 
>> device log for it? Could it be Apple are now funneling simulator logs into a 
>> pane in Xcode - like they do for devices, rather than have them go to the 
>> macOS system log?
> 
> Running the app on a real device doesn’t show the log either. 
> 
> The organiser window of XCode has a specific “Open Console” button on the 
> pane for the device you selected. 
> 
> It opens the console and it doesn’t contain the data I’m trying to output 
> from LiveCode. You need to tell it to stream the console data from the phone, 
> it delivers a ton of garbage. Filtering by process or by the string I’m 
> sending — which is a fixed string at this point since I’m just trying to get 
> the console working — yields no result whatsoever.
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Re: [iOS] possible console bug

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

The Simulator from Xcode 12.1  still shows the menu entry 'Show System Log..." 
under the Debug menu. That entry opens the "normal" system log.



> Am 12.07.2021 um 17:02 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2021-07-12 15:37, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:
>> Mark,
>> That’s the problem, I’m looking at the system log on the iOS Simulator
>> and there is no output for put without a target.
> 
> Heh sorry - I didn't actually read the code you posted in your original post 
> :D
> 
> I believe this should work - `put ...` just gets sent to `NSLog` which should 
> emit to the relevant console.
> 
> If you run the app on a real iOS device, do you see your log messages in the 
> device log for it? Could it be Apple are now funneling simulator logs into a 
> pane in Xcode - like they do for devices, rather than have them go to the 
> macOS system log?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
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Re: [iOS] possible console bug

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I tried here with  LC9.6.2 under Catalina. It doesn't work either. 


> Am 12.07.2021 um 14:49 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Friends,
> 
> I’m writing here before I fill up a bug report because I don’t know if I’m 
> doing things correctly. 
> 
> From what I remember, if we did a “put” to stdout, it would appear in the 
> system log on iOS Simulator. Is that still the case?
> 
> I have an empty stack here with a button with the following script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  put “this doesn’t work.”
>  put “it still doesn’t work”
> end mouseUp
> 
> When I run that stack on the iOS Simulator, and select the “system log” menu 
> item from the Simulator application, I can see a log of debug information but 
> I can’t see any of my own “put” messages. No matter how many times I click 
> the button.
> 
> Wasn’t that supposed to work?
> 
> This is MacOS Big Sur in a Macbook Air M1 running LiveCode 9.6.3-rc-1
> 
> Om om
> Andre
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Re: mySQL 8

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Tiemo,

if i remember right this should be solving your issue.

Before you write to or read from the db execute the following command

revExecuteSQL  databaseID, "SET NAMES 'utf8'"
After that try to fetch data.

The retrieved data has then to be decoded with

textDecode(tRetrievedData,”UTF8”) 

e.g.
put textDecode(tRetrievedData,"UTF8") into fld "Name"


Regards,

Matthias

> Am 07.07.2021 um 12:02 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> 
> 
> I have a DB hosted on AWS and need to move it from mySQL 5.6 to 5.7 because
> of AWS restrictions.
> 
> In this context I am doing tests and also tried to see what my programs
> (LiveCode > PHP > mySQL) say about mySQL 8.
> 
> For this I imported a current 5.6 dump into a mySQL 5.7 and into a 8.0 test
> DB.
> 
> 
> 
> With mySQL 5.7 everything looks so far well.
> 
> With mySQL 8 all umlauts come back destroyed in DB queries in my LiveCode
> program.
> 
> 
> 
> When I look into the DB with mySQL Workbench, the umlauts are ok with 5.7 as
> well as with 8.0. Only as soon as I get them into my LC program, they break.
> 
> 
> 
> Is here anybody, who has read about changes of handling the charset or
> collations in mySQL databases with mySQL 8?
> 
> And any idea, where I should try to look for a fix? DB-collations/charsets?
> PHP? LiveCode?
> 
> 
> 
> We are writing year 2021! and this is the third break of existing functions
> handling umlauts within months after LC, macOS and now mySQL
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any ideas
> 
> 
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.3 RC-1

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Tom,

at least mobilapickdate bug 23130 is fixed with 9.6.3 RC1



> Am 05.07.2021 um 18:57 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Nice solid update. Thank you.
> Still can't update production version until the most recent problems are
> fixed (mobilepickdate and etc.)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:57 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.3 RC-1.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.3 RC-1 comes with more than 60 changes, including:
>> 
>> New Features
>>  - HiDPI scaling support to HTML5 engine
>>  - Support for building with Xcode 12.4 (Catalina) and Xcode 12.5 (Big
>> Sur), using the iOS 14.4 and 14.5 SDK respectively
>>  - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built against the iOS 14.4 and 14.5 SDKs
>>  - Support for App Tracking transparency on iOS
>>  - Ability to detect the device model an iOS app is running on
>>  - CameraControl: Include dual and triple camera capture devices when
>> listing 'videoDevices' on iOS
>>  - Updated SQLite to version 3.34.0
>> 
>> Bug Fixes:
>>  - A couple of crashes are fixed
>>  - Several memory leaks are addressed
>>  - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements
>> 
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_3/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_3_rc_1.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>>  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
>> SDK
>>  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>>  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.4 SDK
>>  - macOS 11.x.  : Xcode 12.5.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.5 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: From the start of April 2021, Apple is only accepting apps built
>> using iOS14.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
>> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.15 in order to be
>> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>> 
>> 
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>> 
>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
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>> 
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Re: Open a folder on the desktop from a LiveCode app

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

launch document tPathToFolder 

would also work

Regards
Matthias


> Am 19.06.2021 um 20:48 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> What is the "best" way (or any way) to open a folder on the Windows desktop 
> from a Livecode script.
> 
> For example:
> 
> on openFolder pPath -- where pPath is the path and name to a document (file)
>   set itemDel to slash
>   delete last item of pPath -- leaves the the path to the folder containing 
> the document
>   -- now, how do I open this on the desktop (i.e in Explorer)?
> 
> 
> end openFolder
> 
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Re: Collaborative help request for oAuth2 access to DocuSign

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Sean,

could you please try and remove the tParamsA parameter in your oAuth2 call?

I noticed that the oauth2 library itself places the  "?response_type=code" 
parameter to the url. So with the tParamsA parameter it was twice in the URL.

I removed the tParamsA parameter in your call and was at least able to login 
and the browser windows closed. I  did not test further as it is a little late 
here.


See also a screen recording here https://livecode.dermattes.de/sean.mp4

Regards,

Matthias



 

> Am 11.06.2021 um 20:49 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thanks Colin and Andrew.
> 
> I'll see if I can track down Monte. I know he's a busy man. But there must
> be a simple explanation of why they don't seem to work. oAuth should be
> pretty simple. I have done my own using a browser widget but it's a bit
> clunky for the customer. The oAuth seems to be a nicer option for coding
> and navigating if we can get it working.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:20, Colin Kelly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Same here, I couldn’t get oAuth working for Intelligent Office in LC but
>> using the same credentials it worked ok through Postman…
>> 
>> --
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>> M 07951 920680
>> 
>> 
>> From: use-livecode  on behalf of
>> Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
>> Reply to: How to use LiveCode 
>> Date: Friday, 11 June 2021 at 17:13
>> To: "use-livecode@lists.runrev.com" 
>> Cc: Andrew at MidWest Coast Media 
>> Subject: Re: Collaborative help request for oAuth2 access to DocuSign
>> 
>> I was never able to get oAuth working for Canvas LMS even though the same
>> workflow worked on Postman.
>> 
>> —Andrew Bell
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Collaborative help request for oAuth2 access to DocuSign
>> 
>> I?ve still not been able to make any headway with getting oAuth to work
>> for DocuSign. Anyone have any ideas?
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: Collaborative help request for oAuth2 access to DocuSign

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I pressed the send button to early...

When i continue, i got logged in and see the normal developer account page in 
the "oauth" window.


> Am 09.06.2021 um 21:15 schrieb matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de:
> 
> Tried it here with your script, but currently the 'login" page shows an 
> additional text in red saying "DocuSign is temporarily unavailable. Please 
> try again momentarily.".
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 09.06.2021 um 20:04 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Until now I have been using SOAP to connect to Docusign without the need
>> for oAuth2. However, they will soon (August 16th, 2021) require oAuth2
>> entry.
>> 
>> To make it easier for us to play together, I've created a temp gmail and
>> DocuSign account. The code I'm using is as follows:
>> 
>> //
>> local sDocuSignAuth
>> on es_DocuSignTest
>>  put "http://account-d.docusign.com/oauth/auth; into tAuthURL -- //
>> account-d DURING TESTING / account WHEN LIVE //
>>  put "http://account-d.docusign.com/oauth/token; into tTokenURL
>>  put "e36917d4-72be-4924-aced-3e75844080a2" into tClientID // LCTest
>>  put "0493edd9-a8a6-431e-a64e-2d6f162ca98b" into tClientSecret // LCTest
>>  put "signature" into tScopes
>>  put "58081" into tPort // Redirect uri set to 'http://127.0.0.1:58081'
>>  put "code" into tParamsA["response_type"]
>>  --
>>  put "pi.lc.apit...@gmail.com" into tUser // Docusign test account
>>  put "lctestaccount" into tPass // Docusign test account
>>  --
>>  if sDocuSignAuth is empty then
>> OAuth2 tAuthURL, tTokenURL, tClientID, tClientSecret, tScopes,
>> "58081", tParamsA
>> put the result & it
>> if the result is not empty then
>>return "Not authorized!" for error
>> else
>>put it into sDocuSignAuth
>> end if
>>  end if
>> end es_DocuSignTest
>> //
>> 
>> You can log in to the DocuSign account using those credentials if you feel
>> the need.
>> 
>> As you will find when you try the code, the oAuth window comes up, you log
>> in, but it never responds with the Token or the redirect uri. So I don't
>> know what I'm missing or how to fix it. Perhaps by getting this one sorted
>> out we can have a definitive method for any API.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: Collaborative help request for oAuth2 access to DocuSign

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Tried it here with your script, but currently the 'login" page shows an 
additional text in red saying "DocuSign is temporarily unavailable. Please try 
again momentarily.".




> Am 09.06.2021 um 20:04 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Until now I have been using SOAP to connect to Docusign without the need
> for oAuth2. However, they will soon (August 16th, 2021) require oAuth2
> entry.
> 
> To make it easier for us to play together, I've created a temp gmail and
> DocuSign account. The code I'm using is as follows:
> 
> //
> local sDocuSignAuth
> on es_DocuSignTest
>   put "http://account-d.docusign.com/oauth/auth; into tAuthURL -- //
> account-d DURING TESTING / account WHEN LIVE //
>   put "http://account-d.docusign.com/oauth/token; into tTokenURL
>   put "e36917d4-72be-4924-aced-3e75844080a2" into tClientID // LCTest
>   put "0493edd9-a8a6-431e-a64e-2d6f162ca98b" into tClientSecret // LCTest
>   put "signature" into tScopes
>   put "58081" into tPort // Redirect uri set to 'http://127.0.0.1:58081'
>   put "code" into tParamsA["response_type"]
>   --
>   put "pi.lc.apit...@gmail.com" into tUser // Docusign test account
>   put "lctestaccount" into tPass // Docusign test account
>   --
>   if sDocuSignAuth is empty then
>  OAuth2 tAuthURL, tTokenURL, tClientID, tClientSecret, tScopes,
> "58081", tParamsA
>  put the result & it
>  if the result is not empty then
> return "Not authorized!" for error
>  else
> put it into sDocuSignAuth
>  end if
>   end if
> end es_DocuSignTest
> //
> 
> You can log in to the DocuSign account using those credentials if you feel
> the need.
> 
> As you will find when you try the code, the oAuth window comes up, you log
> in, but it never responds with the Token or the redirect uri. So I don't
> know what I'm missing or how to fix it. Perhaps by getting this one sorted
> out we can have a definitive method for any API.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Sean
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Re: Memory garbage overrun on windows server

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tsNetCustomSync? You mean tsNetClose, right? ;) 

> Am 27.05.2021 um 22:17 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Good shout, Matthias. It could well be.
> 
> Although, I’ve just been running the app for a different clients emails and
> those aren’t having as huge an effect. It is going up, but not by nearly as
> much as the first ones I was doing. The main difference between them is the
> amount of data in their csv files and then the pdf layouts. So, I’m
> wondering if it’s to do with the types of images used in this particular
> clients report templates. I’ll check it out once I’ve got through this
> batch.
> 
> But I will try the tsNetCustomSync thing and get back to you.
> 
> Thanks
> S
> 
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 19:01, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> i am not sure if this helps, but are you using tsNet for sending the
>> emails?
>> If so, could you try to execute the command tsNetClose after each
>> iteration?
>> This should close all existing connections and disable tsNet.
>> To use tsNet again you need to run tsNetInit once to initialize tsNet
>> again.
>> 
>> If this solves the problem, tsNet is the culprit. If it doesn't, we know
>> tsNet isn't it. ;)
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 27.05.2021 um 19:37 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have an LC app running on a server that collects csv files from an
>> email
>>> server, analyses the data from each, stores that data to an sql db then
>>> creates a pdf which it then uploads to an ftp server.
>>> 
>>> Each iteration of this is followed by my attempt to purge the data in all
>>> local and global arrays and variables. The stack which is used to create
>>> the pdf is also closed, destroyed and deleted.
>>> 
>>> But with each email that gets processed the memory usage goes up by about
>>> 120Mb. That's ok, but it only goes up. It only plateaus once it reaches
>>> 100%, which for a 2Gb server instance happens after just 10 emails. After
>>> that the resource manager begins to record hard faults/sec spikes and
>> task
>>> manager shows the memory usage go up to 14Gb of 14Gb committed memory
>> where
>>> it finally gives up and kills the app.
>>> 
>>> Looking through old posts and bugs it does seem related to bug
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17434 but this refers to
>> MacOS
>>> and heap fragmentation. Is this a problem with windows also? I wouldn't
>>> know.
>>> 
>>> Is there some other way of purging this memory intermittently so that it
>>> can continue without having to keep closing down LC or the standalone and
>>> restarting it? It kind of defeats the object of having a server app when
>> I
>>> have to baby sit it processing. Even once it has completed it never frees
>>> up the memory used until it is killed and restarted. I'm going to
>> increase
>>> the memory allocation for the server instance to 4GB (at great cost)
>> which
>>> will alleviate some of the pressure but is only delaying the inevitable.
>>> 
>>> It does seem we need some kind of bare knuckle approach to memory purging
>>> in LC somewhere, in my humble opinion. But, in the meantime, if I can get
>>> some advice and background it may help to manage it for now.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> S
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Re: Memory garbage overrun on windows server

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Hi Sean,

i am not sure if this helps, but are you using tsNet for sending the emails? 
If so, could you try to execute the command tsNetClose after each iteration?
This should close all existing connections and disable tsNet.
To use tsNet again you need to run tsNetInit once to initialize tsNet again.

If this solves the problem, tsNet is the culprit. If it doesn't, we know tsNet 
isn't it. ;) 

Matthias



> Am 27.05.2021 um 19:37 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi
> I have an LC app running on a server that collects csv files from an email
> server, analyses the data from each, stores that data to an sql db then
> creates a pdf which it then uploads to an ftp server.
> 
> Each iteration of this is followed by my attempt to purge the data in all
> local and global arrays and variables. The stack which is used to create
> the pdf is also closed, destroyed and deleted.
> 
> But with each email that gets processed the memory usage goes up by about
> 120Mb. That's ok, but it only goes up. It only plateaus once it reaches
> 100%, which for a 2Gb server instance happens after just 10 emails. After
> that the resource manager begins to record hard faults/sec spikes and task
> manager shows the memory usage go up to 14Gb of 14Gb committed memory where
> it finally gives up and kills the app.
> 
> Looking through old posts and bugs it does seem related to bug
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17434 but this refers to MacOS
> and heap fragmentation. Is this a problem with windows also? I wouldn't
> know.
> 
> Is there some other way of purging this memory intermittently so that it
> can continue without having to keep closing down LC or the standalone and
> restarting it? It kind of defeats the object of having a server app when I
> have to baby sit it processing. Even once it has completed it never frees
> up the memory used until it is killed and restarted. I'm going to increase
> the memory allocation for the server instance to 4GB (at great cost) which
> will alleviate some of the pressure but is only delaying the inevitable.
> 
> It does seem we need some kind of bare knuckle approach to memory purging
> in LC somewhere, in my humble opinion. But, in the meantime, if I can get
> some advice and background it may help to manage it for now.
> 
> Regards
> S
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Re: US Patent and Trademark Office tsNet error problem

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Bruce,

on the 19th of February this year Charles Warwick posted the following answer 
to a post (subject: SSL Error - question from Stack Overflow) which described a 
similar problem.

>>>
This seems to be an issue which has come up a few times over the years with the 
curl library.

It appears to be specific to when curl is compiled on OS X to use the Mac SSL 
library, rather than OpenSSL.

I am guessing you are trying this on a Mac?

I have tested a build of tsNet under OS X that uses OpenSSL instead, and the 
issue goes away.  Unfortunately, building tsNet to use OpenSSL on Mac would 
mean that it no longer uses the OS X certificate store for verifying SSL 
certificates.

Regards,

Charles
<<<

So maybe Charles can help, maybe with a custom build of tsNET.

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 21.05.2021 um 00:44 schrieb Bruce Pokras via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Getting a tsNet error, both from the IDE and a standalone. I have a patent 
> searching and downloading app that had some link rot issues. Finally fixed 
> everything. Seemed to be working fine for USPTO, European Patent Office  and 
> World Intellectual Property Office. I put off launching this new version 
> (Patent Grabber 6.5) for a few weeks. I don’t understand what has happened in 
> the meantime, but the US patent searching keeps returning a tsNet error in 
> the “result":
> 
>   tsneterr: (56) SSLRead() return error -9806
> 
> The URL was:
> 
>   
> https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall
> 
> which works fine when pasted in Safari or Chrome on my MacBook Pro Retina 
> running High Sierra 10.13.6.
> 
> I recently learned of the tsNet debugger that someone (Charles Warwick?) had 
> so thoughtfully created, and tried it. Below are two runs that I made, and 
> since I can’t make heads nor tails of them, I hope that someone on the list 
> can understand what is going on (I also tried tsNetVerifySSLPeer, both true 
> and false, but got the same tsNet error). Any help would be greatly 
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Bruce Pokras
> 
> #1: run with libURLsetSSLverification false
> 
> Connection #7 to host patft.uspto.gov left intact
> Issue another request to this URL: 
> 'https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall'
>  Trying 2610:20:5004:1604::82:443...
> Connected to patft.uspto.gov (2610:20:5004:1604::82) port 443 (#8)
> WARNING: disabling hostname validation also disables SNI.
> SSL re-using session ID
> TLS 1.2 connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
> Server certificate: patft.uspto.gov
> Server certificate: Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
> Server certificate: Entrust Root Certification Authority - G2
> GET 
> /netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall
>  HTTP/1.0
> Host: patft.uspto.gov
> Accept: */*
> User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
> 
> 1621533850
> Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
> HTTP 1.0, assume close after body
> HTTP/1.0 200 Script results follow
> Server: NetAnswer Server 1.0
> Content-Type: text/html
> 
> SSLRead() return error -9806
> Closing connection 8
> 
> #2: run with libURLsetSSLverification true
> 
> 1621534995
> 1621534996
> _proxyForURL_proxyForURL end with none foundProxy for URL: 
> Found bundle for host patft.uspto.gov: 0x7fa9a210bac0 [serially]
> Re-using existing connection! (#11) with host patft.uspto.gov
> Connected to patft.uspto.gov (2610:20:5004:1604::82) port 80 (#11)
> GET 
> /netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall
>  HTTP/1.0
> Host: patft.uspto.gov
> Accept: */*
> User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
> 
> Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
> HTTP 1.0, assume close after body
> HTTP/1.0 302 Found
> Location: 
> https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall
> Server: BigIP
> Connection: close
> Content-Length: 0
> 
> Closing connection 11
> Issue another request to this URL: 
> 'https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall'
> Hostname patft.uspto.gov was found in DNS cache
>  Trying 2610:20:5004:1604::82:443...
> Connected to patft.uspto.gov (2610:20:5004:1604::82) port 443 (#13)
> SSL re-using session ID
> TLS 1.2 connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
> Server certificate: patft.uspto.gov
> Server certificate: Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
> Server certificate: Entrust Root Certification Authority - G2
> GET 
> /netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm=0=1=S=50=(pokras)=pall
>  HTTP/1.0
> Host: patft.uspto.gov
> Accept: */*
> User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
> 
> 1621534997
> Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
> HTTP 1.0, assume close after body
> HTTP/1.0 200 Script results follow
> Server: NetAnswer Server 1.0
> Content-Type: text/html
> 
> SSLRead() 

Re: LC puts stuff in the trash upon quit!

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

There is a bug report for this already

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21233



> Am 15.05.2021 um 15:46 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I have noticed this oddity for a long time.
> No other program that I own does this.
> 
> Why is LC so dirty?
> 
> Rick
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Re: Really need In App Purchasing for macOS

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As LC currently does not support In App Purchase for macOS, why not offering a 
free "lite" version and a "pro" version that can be purchased. 
Instead of an In App Purchase option in the free version you could link to the 
pro version in the app store.



> Am 14.05.2021 um 17:27 schrieb Kee Nethery via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Any suggestions? Each month my app gets 800+ views on the App Store and 1 
> purchase. With IAP I could convert so many more into paying customers. Any 
> suggestions on how to add IAP to a Mac app?
> 
> Kee Nethery
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Re: Updated version of the SignNotarizeHelper stack available

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Hi again,

i've just uploaded a quick overview / diagram about the different ways/methods 
to notarize an app. 

If your time allows, i would be very happy if some of you could have a quick 
look and tell me, if the overview is clear enough and complete or if there is 
something missing.

https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=Notarize_an_App_05-2021.pdf


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> Am 07.05.2021 um 21:20 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> i have uploaded an updated version of my SignNotarizeHelper stack.
> 
> I've added package installer support. So it's now also possible to create, 
> sign and notarize a .pkg
> 
> So now all combinations should be possible:
> - Sign & Notarize App
> - Sign & Notarize App
> - Sign & Notarize App
> - Sign & Notarize  app
> 
> And the following options are also available
> - Check a signed app for entitlements
> - Check if  .app, .pkg or .dmg is signed
> - Check if .app, .pkg or .dmg is notarized
> - Get a list of all past notarization requests + the possiblity to get 
> detailed log information of a notarization request.
> 
> Here's the download link
> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=mrSignNotarizeHelperV3.livecode
> 
> I will also update the stack in the lesson at
> 
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore
> 
> with the updated one. But i need to update the  "stack" part in the lesson 
> first.
> 
> 
> If you find anything, please let me know.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Close & remove from memory - Engine hang

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Dear Curry,

just to make clear, i've never wrote that i doubted your observations. 
I just wrote about my observations and asked for a recipe. Not to proof you 
wrong, but to see if i could replicate and to see if there is something in 
common, because that maybe would help the Livecode team to fix those hangs 
sooner.

If you felt that as "doubt" then i am really sorry. 
But keep in mind i am not native English, therefore my texts could sometimes 
have a different effect on the reader than I had planned. ;) 



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> (Again, for any who did not understand the exchange between myself and 
> Matthias, I "doubted" his existence to call out his casting blind doubt on my 
> accurate observations of the very real, and several, LC Hangs.)


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Re: Close & remove from memory - Engine hang

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> Am 07.05.2021 um 21:18 schrieb Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
> Matthias:
> 
> > I did not had any hang/freeze.
> 
> 
> That's good to hear! I have a similar approach to unconfirmed data:
> I've never seen Matthias, but I don't rule out his existence either. :)
> 
Believe me i am real. I purchased every library you've created in the past, so 
i must be real. 
If not, give me my money back. ;) 

Please post the bug report id, when you've posted.

Matthias

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Updated version of the SignNotarizeHelper stack available

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Dear all,

i have uploaded an updated version of my SignNotarizeHelper stack.

I've added package installer support. So it's now also possible to create, sign 
and notarize a .pkg

So now all combinations should be possible:
- Sign & Notarize App
- Sign & Notarize App
- Sign & Notarize App
- Sign & Notarize  app

And the following options are also available
- Check a signed app for entitlements
- Check if  .app, .pkg or .dmg is signed
- Check if .app, .pkg or .dmg is notarized
- Get a list of all past notarization requests + the possiblity to get detailed 
log information of a notarization request.

Here's the download link
https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=mrSignNotarizeHelperV3.livecode

I will also update the stack in the lesson at

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore

with the updated one. But i need to update the  "stack" part in the lesson 
first.


If you find anything, please let me know.


Regards,
Matthias




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Re: Close & remove from memory - Engine hang

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Curry,

i am working on macOS 10.14.6 and i cannot remember that i had any 
"unspecified" hangs/freezes in LC the last weeks or months.
I had 2 or 3 hangs when i tested some code that used tsNET, but those hangs 
were caused more by my code and not by LC. ;)

But no hangs when i was just coding or creating/building stacks.

The last 2 days i've worked with LC 9.6.2 rc5.
Each day i had LC running/opened for about 12 hours, although i was working in 
total about 8 hours each day with LC.
Most of the time i was in the editor. But I ran a ton of shell commands using 
shell() function while testing my stack.
I did not had any hang/freeze. 

On what OS are you and did you do anything special in LC when the hangs 
appeared?

Currently i really cannot confirm such hangs,  but of course I don't want to 
rule out the possibility that they exist.

So if you have a recipe i would be really happy to test here.


Btw: The only thing i experienced 3 times with RC5 yesterday was, that for 
whatever reason all objects, which i had setup in geometry manager to scale or 
move when the stack is resized, were automatically resized to very large value 
(width and height) without resizing the stack.
Suddenly they were resized. Even resizing them manuall, did not get geometry 
manager scaling/moving the obejcts again. I had to restart the LC, reload the 
stack and de- and reactivate the geometry manager settings for each object. 
After that it worked until the next "resize".
I really have no clue what was causing this. Today i did not have this problem.

All the best.


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> Am 07.05.2021 um 19:40 schrieb Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
> Panos:
> 
> > What Tiemo described sounded like this issue
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22896
> > - so if this is the
> > case, this bug is very specific to Big Sur,
> > and it is fixed in LC 9.6.2 RC-1+.
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
> I'm not disputing that you recently addressed a specific Hang.
> But you are staring at a tiny sapling, and not seeing the mighty forest:
> 
> Hangs have become a defining feature of the LC experience.
> They are quite common on both Mac and PC in various situations.
> 
> Not limited to Big Sur.
> Not limited to Mac.
> Not limited to Windows.
> Not limited to sheets.
> Not limited to dialogs.
> See where I'm going with this?
> 
> LC Experience = Hangs.
> 
> Using LC = Risking a Hang.
> Launching LC = Starting countdown to a Hang.
> 
> I've seen similar hangs when closing stacks.
> And it sure as heck wasn't Big Sur or even Mac.
> It was on Windows.
> And it ain't fixed as of LC 9.6.2 RC-1+.
> 
> Completely different bug? Maybe.
> Same LC Experience? Yes!
> 
> LC has a "Hang Problem."
> If you don't realize that, you're part of the problem.
> 
> Likewise I've seen many hangs for other reasons:
> Other triggers. Other recipes to write.
> Other bug reports I will file AFTER I finish deadlines.
> 
> (If you can wave a wand to extend my deadlines, I'll do reports first!)
> 
> So the problem is not one small specific Big Sur sheet dialog bug.
> That's the tiny sapling. It's cute, but there's a big forest behind it.
> And that forest is: LC frequently hangs. It's Hang-prone. "Hang-ey."
> 
> If LC IDE had a mascot character right now, he'd be frozen in a pose.
> Maybe the Ice Man - Frozen Stiff, but still Warming Up your Laptop. :)
> That's not a great image for the LC Experience. Please improve it.
> 
> I need to file a couple of bug reports after I finish my deadlines.
> Still need to create reliable recipes; had to create workarounds first.
> 
> But you need to make LC less buggy (especially, fewer Hangs) in general.
> Because it's not merely the couple of Hangs that I can report myself!
> 
> You have many Hangs in LC. Why?
> 
> They are quite common on both Mac and PC in various situations.
> Hangs have become a defining feature of the "LC experience."
> Let's change that. Thanks!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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Re: which entity has to be notarized/stapled?

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Tiemo,

i am wondering, if my lesson is not clear enough about this. What do you think?

I really thought, that it's clear that you just have to sent only the top level 
container to Apple and that the local stapling process goes through the 
container and writes the information to the app within the container.

Or is the lesson just to complex and i should divide it in multiple parts to 
make it easier to understand?

Matthias



> Am 06.05.2021 um 11:19 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I found an answer to my question here 
> https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/650288 
> <https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/650288> :
> 
> You will need to sign the .pkg installer with Developer ID and notarize it in 
> order for it to install on macOS 10.14.5 and newer. The reason why it may 
> have appeared to work locally was that the pkg wasn't quarantined.
> 
> The recommended QA procedure for installation is to start with a fresh macOS 
> VM instance and use Air Drop or a web browser to download the file into it. 
> Then double click on it like a user would. If it installs and runs properly, 
> you can ship it.
> 
> DMGs are like zip files -- notarization is not required to open them. 
> However, their contents must be notarized in order to run. You can do one of 
> two approaches:
> 
> Sign the app, put it in the DMG, sign the DMG, then upload the dmg to be 
> notarized.
> 
> Zip up the app and notarize the app separately, then put it in a DMG and 
> distribute the DMG without notarizing it
> 
> When you notarize a DMG, pkg, or bundle, everything inside is automatically 
> unpacked and notarized as well. So you only need to upload the "top level" 
> file for notarizing in a single pass, not the contents separately.
> 
> You can read a lot more here: 
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution
>  
> <https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution>
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>> Im Auftrag von Tiemo via 
> use-livecode
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 2021 10:28
> An: 'How to use LiveCode'  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Cc: toolb...@kestner.de <mailto:toolb...@kestner.de>
> Betreff: which entity has to be notarized/stapled?
> 
> One question is left for me about notarization and stapling. If you have an 
> app, which is packaged and the package is wrapped in a DMG, which instance 
> should be notarized and which stapled? All three, each one after the other, 
> before proceeding to the next step, or only the outer shell, in this case the 
> DMG?
> 
> Is the notarization/stapeling checked by the gatekeeper only once at 
> installation time or at each start of the app?
> If I would only notarize and staple the outer DMG, is the notarization and 
> stapling be automatically issued downwards to the content of the DMG down to 
> the package and the app inside the package? Or on the other hand, would it 
> interfere the process, if I would do notarization and stapling at each step?
> 
> Thanks for getting some insight in gatekeepers behaviour.
> 
> @Matthias: perhaps you want to add this information also in you doc in 
> chapter 7 / 7.5 to clarify this question?
> 
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
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> via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 2021 01:18
> An: How to use LiveCode  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de 
> <mailto:matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de>
> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails - solved
> 
> Thanks Phil.
> 
> 
> @all
> I've updated the lesson at
> 
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore
>  
> <https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore>
> 
> now and added detailed information about package installers. 
> So it now contains also information about how to create,sign and notarize 
> package installers or package installers on dmg.
> 
> 
> It would be really awesome, if someone could check it. I needed to insert 
> some additional steps and i really hope that i did not forget to adjust some 
> references to internal steps.
> 
> So please let me if you find any errors, typos or wrong information.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matth

Re: which entity has to be notarized/stapled?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

So...

Stapling always staples the app, regardless if it is nested in one  container 
or more.

When you send your app as  pkg, dmg or as pkg on dmg to apple, then you can 
staple those containers, because the stapling goes "through" and the stapling 
information is written to the .app inside the container.

When you sent a .zip file to Apple, then you have to staple the .app itself. 
You do not need to extract the zip and staple that .app. You can staple the app 
from which you've created the .zip. The .zip file can be deleted, because it is 
not needed anymore.




-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 06.05.2021 um 10:28 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> One question is left for me about notarization and stapling. If you have an 
> app, which is packaged and the package is wrapped in a DMG, which instance 
> should be notarized and which stapled? All three, each one after the other, 
> before proceeding to the next step, or only the outer shell, in this case the 
> DMG?
> 
> Is the notarization/stapeling checked by the gatekeeper only once at 
> installation time or at each start of the app?
> If I would only notarize and staple the outer DMG, is the notarization and 
> stapling be automatically issued downwards to the content of the DMG down to 
> the package and the app inside the package? Or on the other hand, would it 
> interfere the process, if I would do notarization and stapling at each step?
> 
> Thanks for getting some insight in gatekeepers behaviour.
> 
> @Matthias: perhaps you want to add this information also in you doc in 
> chapter 7 / 7.5 to clarify this question?
> 
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
> matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 2021 01:18
> An: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails - solved
> 
> Thanks Phil.
> 
> 
> @all
> I've updated the lesson at
> 
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore
> 
> now and added detailed information about package installers. 
> So it now contains also information about how to create,sign and notarize 
> package installers or package installers on dmg.
> 
> 
> It would be really awesome, if someone could check it. I needed to insert 
> some additional steps and i really hope that i did not forget to adjust some 
> references to internal steps.
> 
> So please let me if you find any errors, typos or wrong information.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 05.05.2021 um 19:49 schrieb Phil Davis via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Thank you Matthias! Your tools make my life SO much easier! You have 
>> done a great service for this community.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/5/21 2:20 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Am 05.05.2021 um 11:10 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you all for helping my lost soul in Apples notarizing nirvana
>>>> 
>>>> Tiemo
>>>> 
>>>> P.S.
>>>> Matthias, perhaps you want to add this in your great helpfile - without 
>>>> that it would have taken weeks for me!
>>>> 
>>> I am currently working on it. ;)
>>> First i will just add a note, but later, when i have more free time  i will 
>>> enhance it to describe all more detailed.
>>> 
>>> The Helper Stack will also get an update to support package installers. But 
>>> it takes some time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag 
>>>> von matthias rebbe via use-livecode
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Mai 2021 10:31
>>>> An: How to use LiveCode 
>>>> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
>>>> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails
>>>> 
>>>> Tiemo,
>>>> 
>>>> i think i found the solution. I tried here myself and did als get the 
>>>> error "this identity cannot be used for signing code" when using the 
>>>> Developer ID Installer certificate for signing the .pkg.
>>>> According to Apple (see point 2)
>>>> https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/deve51ce7c3d
>>>> 
>>>> you have to use the tool productsign to sign the package installer. 
>>>> 
>>>> So the syntax is like this
>>>> 
>>>> productsign --sign
>>>> 
>>>>

Re: notarizing DMG fails - solved

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Thanks Phil.


@all
I've updated the lesson at

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1122100-codesigning-and-notarizing-your-lc-standalone-for-distribution-outside-the-mac-appstore

now and added detailed information about package installers. 
So it now contains also information about how to create,sign and notarize 
package installers or package installers on dmg.


It would be really awesome, if someone could check it. I needed to insert some 
additional steps and i really hope that i did not forget to adjust some 
references to internal steps.

So please let me if you find any errors, typos or wrong information.

Thanks.

Matthias


> Am 05.05.2021 um 19:49 schrieb Phil Davis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thank you Matthias! Your tools make my life SO much easier! You have
> done a great service for this community.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> On 5/5/21 2:20 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Am 05.05.2021 um 11:10 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Thank you all for helping my lost soul in Apples notarizing nirvana
>>> 
>>> Tiemo
>>> 
>>> P.S.
>>> Matthias, perhaps you want to add this in your great helpfile - without 
>>> that it would have taken weeks for me!
>>> 
>> I am currently working on it. ;) 
>> First i will just add a note, but later, when i have more free time  i will 
>> enhance it to describe all more detailed.
>> 
>> The Helper Stack will also get an update to support package installers. But 
>> it takes some time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
>>> matthias rebbe via use-livecode
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Mai 2021 10:31
>>> An: How to use LiveCode 
>>> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
>>> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails
>>> 
>>> Tiemo,
>>> 
>>> i think i found the solution. I tried here myself and did als get the error 
>>> "this identity cannot be used for signing code" when using the Developer ID 
>>> Installer certificate for signing the .pkg.
>>> According to Apple (see point 2)
>>> https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/deve51ce7c3d
>>> 
>>> you have to use the tool productsign to sign the package installer. 
>>> 
>>> So the syntax is like this
>>> 
>>> productsign --sign
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Example
>>> productsign --sign "Developer ID Installer: Matthias Rebbe ()"  
>>> "/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test.pkg" 
>>> "/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg"
>>> 
>>> After successful signing i got this messages in Terminal
>>> 
>>> productsign: using timestamp authority for signature
>>> productsign: signing product with identity "Developer ID Installer: 
>>> Matthias Rebbe ()" from keychain 
>>> /Users/matthias/Library/Keychains/login.keychain-db
>>> productsign: adding certificate "Developer ID Certification Authority"
>>> productsign: adding certificate "Apple Root CA"
>>> productsign: Wrote signed product archive to 
>>> /users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
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Re: notarizing DMG fails - solved

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

> Am 05.05.2021 um 11:10 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thank you all for helping my lost soul in Apples notarizing nirvana
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> P.S.
> Matthias, perhaps you want to add this in your great helpfile - without that 
> it would have taken weeks for me!
> 
I am currently working on it. ;) 
First i will just add a note, but later, when i have more free time  i will 
enhance it to describe all more detailed.

The Helper Stack will also get an update to support package installers. But it 
takes some time.



> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
> matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Mai 2021 10:31
> An: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> i think i found the solution. I tried here myself and did als get the error 
> "this identity cannot be used for signing code" when using the Developer ID 
> Installer certificate for signing the .pkg.
> According to Apple (see point 2)
> https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/deve51ce7c3d
> 
> you have to use the tool productsign to sign the package installer. 
> 
> So the syntax is like this
> 
> productsign --sign
> 
> 
> Example
> productsign --sign "Developer ID Installer: Matthias Rebbe ()"  
> "/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test.pkg" 
> "/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg"
> 
> After successful signing i got this messages in Terminal
> 
> productsign: using timestamp authority for signature
> productsign: signing product with identity "Developer ID Installer: Matthias 
> Rebbe ()" from keychain 
> /Users/matthias/Library/Keychains/login.keychain-db
> productsign: adding certificate "Developer ID Certification Authority"
> productsign: adding certificate "Apple Root CA"
> productsign: Wrote signed product archive to 
> /users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code


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Re: notarizing DMG fails

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Tiemo,

i think i found the solution. I tried here myself and did als get the error 
"this identity cannot be used for signing code" when using the Developer ID 
Installer certificate for signing the .pkg.
According to Apple (see point 2)
https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/deve51ce7c3d

you have to use the tool productsign to sign the package installer. 

So the syntax is like this

productsign --sign


Example
productsign --sign "Developer ID Installer: Matthias Rebbe ()"  
"/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test.pkg" 
"/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg"

After successful signing i got this messages in Terminal

productsign: using timestamp authority for signature
productsign: signing product with identity "Developer ID Installer: Matthias 
Rebbe ()" from keychain 
/Users/matthias/Library/Keychains/login.keychain-db
productsign: adding certificate "Developer ID Certification Authority"
productsign: adding certificate "Apple Root CA"
productsign: Wrote signed product archive to 
/users/matthias/LC/builts/test/test_signed.pkg


Regards

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 05.05.2021 um 09:35 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Timo, 
> 
> .app -> Developer ID Application
> .pkg -> Developer ID Installer
> .dmg -> Developer ID Application
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 05.05.2021 um 08:56 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Panos,
>> thanks for jumping in
>> 
>> I am on macOS 11.2.3 and created the certificates pretty freshly two weeks 
>> ago.
>> Xcode-select -p doesn't returns any version# at all, it just returns a path: 
>> "/Applications/Xcode.app/Content/Developer/
>> Xcodebuild -version shows Xcode 12.5 build 12E262
>> I now (re-?)installed the command line tools by xcode-select -- install
>> But xcode-select -p still doesn't shows any version# ???
>> I now downloaded the Apple Worldwide Developer Relations Intermediate 
>> Certificate. Actually I am not sure, if it was there before (I didn't 
>> checked it before)
>> 
>> I will later test again from the scratch
>> 
>> But I am still unsure if I may use the " Developer ID Application" 
>> certificate also for the pkg and dmg or if I have to use the "Developer ID 
>> Installer" certificate for the pkg and dmg?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Tiemo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
>> panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2021 18:19
>> An: How to use LiveCode 
>> Cc: panagiotis merakos 
>> Betreff: Re: notarizing DMG fails
>> 
>> Hello Tiemo,
>> 
>> When did you create these certificates? And what is your MacOS version, and 
>> the Xcode version returned if you type "xcode-select -p" in a Terminal? I am 
>> wondering if you need to install the new Apple Worldwide Developer Relations 
>> Intermediate Certificate:
>> 
>> https://developer.apple.com/support/wwdr-intermediate-certificate/
>> 
>> You can find it here:
>> 
>> https://developer.apple.com/support/expiration/
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 19:02, Tiemo via use-livecode < 
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> still struggeling ...
>>> 
>>> I have two developer certificates in my keychain:
>>> Developer ID Installer : 
>>> Developer ID Application: 
>>> 
>>> Using the Application certificate on the app and pkg and dmg, all 
>>> codesigning is fine, even when verifying it, but I get the "The binary 
>>> is not signed" error in the notarization log, when notarizing the dmg ???
>>> Using the Installer certificate on the pkg, I get already the error 
>>> when codesigning the pkg "this identity cannot be used for signing code" ???
>>> 
>>> All errors are the same, either using the tool "Packages" or creating 
>>> the package on command line by pkgbuild (productbuild is only for 
>>> builing appStore apps, as far as I see it)
>>> 
>>> I must be missing something obvious
>>> 
>>> Any other ideas?
>>> Tiemo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>> Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag 
>>> von matthias rebbe via use-livecode
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2021 13: