Metal and drag
Hello, With Rev 2.1 we can metalize MacOS X stacks, but to respect the guidlines, it is necessary to be able to move the window by its metal background and not only by the title bar. How do this ? A 'grab me' in the card or stack script doesn't work. With this script it doen't work very well (the move is very flashy) : on mouseDown put true into lMouseDown end mouseDown on mouseMove x,y if lMouseDown then set the loc of this stack to x,y end mouseMove Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
image paste
Thanks for all those that responded to my questions about images and animation. Your suggestions were very helpful. Meanwhile, I'm having a basic little problem. When I paste an image on a card (again, its rect appears as big as the whole card, no matter the size of the image), and then I paste a second image on the same card, the second image seems to become part of the first one. What can I do to make the two images separate objects? Thanks! :) Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to properly format text in sheet on OS X?
Hi Folks, I am trying to properly format the text in an 'answer ... as sheet' command. I need to message text to conform to OS X's UI guidelines which state that the 'message text' should use the emphasized bold system font and the 'informative text' should use the small system font. Below is my command so far but the fonts don't seem to be working: answer warning font face='Lucida Grande' size='13'bmessage text/bbrbr/fontfont face='Lucida Grande' size='11'informative text/font with Continue as sheet Can anyone help me get this working properly? Thanks, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Database tool
Hello experts, I need some advice before I head down a path that may end in a dead end since I am still an RR neophyte getting to know this tool. I know the old saying about choosing the right tool for the job, however while I have engineering degrees and programming experience in LabVIEW, C, Pascal on IBM mainframe, PEP assembler and etc. I am currently a hobbyist who does not have the time to learn and use multiple tools so I subscribe to the theory of learning one hammer really well and turning everything into a nail. :-) (For example, I previously used LabVIEW to create simple HTML files by pulling files from various local hard drive directories that for those of you who know LIVE probably seems silly, but it worked well. I viewed myself as inventive not crazy. :-) ) So, is RR a reasonable database tool substitute for an application like Filemaker Pro on Macintosh OS X to create simple databases (single user with hundreds of new records per month and sometimes simple file i/o for pdf storage and display retrieval)? If so, where can I find the best practice examples on how to develop such databases (I have already worked through the tutorial database)? If not, what database management system is suggested? (I do not want to start a flame war, but I simply do not like FMP.) Thanks in advance for your input, Michael ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How do I export an image (bitmap) to the clipboard?
I notice that when I copy an image using the Edit/Copy menu in the IDE, it does 'Copy Objects', but external graphic editors can't see the contents of the clip. How can I export the bitmap part of an image object, apart from taking a snapshot of the screen and editing that? TIA Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
Thanks to Ken for his solution - looks good. On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:23:51 +0930, Monte Goulding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a mainstack that the user is never supposed to see, and which should not be at the front. It's just an anchor for all my substacks. What do you mean by anchor? Why do you need to open the stack at all if it's always invisible to the user? It's the stack with all the startup logic and it's the root of all the common handlers for the rest of the app, plus it contains private debugging info (I have a kind of tracer/timer routine that shows the progress of certain events in a field I can look at during development). Since it's the mainstack, it opens automatically when the app starts. I may have designed my app in a stupid way from the RunRev point of view, but I got some of these ideas from SuperCard and they've stuck... BTW, I suggested in my previous post that to solve my problem I could position the stack off screen. Turns out that the IDE doesn't give you this choice for a mainstack - the size data is there in the Stack Inspector, but the position data is not shown. Maybe the thing has to appear at the screenLoc. This is not documented AFAIK. Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Determining if a player is showing an image or movie.
Monte Goulding writes: Hi All I'm wondering if there is a way to work out if a player is currently shoing an image or movie file Regards Monte Goulding B.App.Sc. (Hons.) = It isn't exactly clear what you want. Assuming you actually want to know if the movie is playing, use the movie() function Returns a list of the curently playing videoClip objects, or none if no movies are playing. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Richmond's big surprise....
So I come back from my holiday (yes, it was lovely, thanks) and find the following... RR 2.1 has no FREE 10-LINES of CODE possibility I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. I am a graduate student (Abertay, IT) supporting wife and 2 kids on an SAAS grant. I have contributed extensively to the RR developer site. Authored one of the first full CD-ROMs using RR !.!.1 (not had any money from that) now used in high-schools throughout Scotland. I have no money (NO MONEY)I cannot contribute to RR if there is no 10-code edition I cannot even start developing with 2.1 with a view to buying a license if I get a decent job after my MSc course Why not just SHIT all over us poor bastards/ Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __ --- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond's big surprise....
Hi Richmond, welcome back... So I come back from my holiday (yes, it was lovely, thanks) and find the following... RR 2.1 has no FREE 10-LINES of CODE possibility I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. ... Why not just SHIT all over us poor bastards/ Richmond Mathewson Hmm, you hit the nail on the head in your matchless way... ;-) RR has a new price scheme, and it looks like the StarterKit has no place in it... You also missed some heavy threads on this topic. (Looks like not many people like this...) Fact is, they won't change it anymore (will they?)... Sorry that we don't have better news for you... :-( Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: APPLE EXPO in PARIS
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:51:28 +0200 Subject: APPLE EXPO in PARIS From: Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Use Rev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Heather, I write this quesiton to the list because it can show interests for much Revolution users : Will you be present at the Apple Expo in Paris as previous year ?? If you mean me, personally, no I won't be attending this year. Whether Runtime will be there or not I think has not yet been decided. We'll certainly let the list know if we're going to attend, Regards, Heather Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond's big surprise....
i got my start writing my SMTP library in the start-kit as well.. if it wasn't for a few nice people on this list who were kind enough to do the compiles, it would have probably stayed in that spaghetti-code form.. the 10-line limit is nice to play around in, and as such, i stick with 1.1 and 2.0.. the new updates in 2.1 don't really do too much for me (i develop on windows and making libraries, i don't really care about the new interface updates/changes).. here's to the new revolution ;-) -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database tool
is RR a reasonable database tool substitute for an application like Filemaker Pro on Macintosh OS X to create simple databases Absolutely yes, Michael. Main disclaimer is multi-user simultaneous access or very large numbers of records, at which point the 'hard-end features' of RR are needed (SQL, Oracle, Valentina etc). And one day I, too, shall venture into these murky waters. Until then I prefer to keep sane (-ish) ;) /H
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 21:06 Europe/Vienna, Bill Vlahos wrote: Dan, Does this mean that you own the fonts? Are they for sale to include in other programs? Assuming they are, can the same font be attached to the application/stack and work on both Mac and Windows without the user having to install the font? Bill Vlahos Thats exactly THE question! Very interesting... pls Dan, answer to that..;) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MacOS X Stack Name Anomalies
In Revolution, in the Preferences menu, Files Memory tab, you can ask to add .rev extension to file on MacOs. Thanks, Thierry... I'll check it out. -- Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles do so grow three. Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. From The Triple Foole by John Donne 1573-1631 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database tool
is RR a reasonable database tool substitute for an application like Filemaker Pro on Macintosh OS X to create simple databases Hi Michael, If you don't need Q, then SDB will do: http://www.oenolog.net/ftp/serendipity_downloader.htm A client/server version is on the way. -- Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles do so grow three. Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. From The Triple Foole by John Donne 1573-1631 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond's big surprise....
Richard, This is one of the rudest posts I've seen in a long time. Runtime Revolution is a business. Their mission is not to provide you with a free development environment forever which it sounds like they have done for you so far. Unless they can generate sales they will not be able to stay in business and provide any tools to anyone. There is a $75 special on the Express version which is good until the end of this month. If that is still too much money, (and I can appreciate that it might be for you now) then you can continue to use your free 2.0.1 version forever and be ready to buy 2.1 when you get a job. Bill Vlahos On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:49 AM, Mathewson wrote: So I come back from my holiday (yes, it was lovely, thanks) and find the following... RR 2.1 has no FREE 10-LINES of CODE possibility I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. I am a graduate student (Abertay, IT) supporting wife and 2 kids on an SAAS grant. I have contributed extensively to the RR developer site. Authored one of the first full CD-ROMs using RR !.!.1 (not had any money from that) now used in high-schools throughout Scotland. I have no money (NO MONEY)I cannot contribute to RR if there is no 10-code edition I cannot even start developing with 2.1 with a view to buying a license if I get a decent job after my MSc course Why not just SHIT all over us poor bastards/ Richmond Mathewsonhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
Graham, Ken, Monte, et al, From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible? Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:42:48 -0500 I think what Graham was saying is that he has an invisible mainstack that contains a bunch of substacks that he wants to open and display. But he doesn't want to show the mainstack itself; only its substacks. -- Why not set the first card of the mainstack as a splash image at startup, then send the mainstack offscreen and open your substacks at specified locations. This way, the user won't know the splash is part of it, will never see it after it departs the screen area, will stay open because the user can't accidentally close it. My piddling $ .02. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond's big surprise....
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 02:49 AM, Mathewson wrote: I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. Calm down man. I understand your current situation leaves no money for software. Revolution starter used to be Gratis, but is no longer. It was never Free, in the sense of Liberty, Free Software, Free Beer. Why do you now take this as a personal affront? Have you thought of applying for a grant to pay for your software development? If you are writing multimedia software in an educational setting, and not being compensated at least for materials needed, then it seems there are a lot of foundations and programs that would grant you a stipend for that. However the tone of your post leaves me with little sympathy. If your situation will be like this for the long term, maybe you should use an Open Source programming environment like... Python, Ruby or Squeak-Smalltalk? Open Source tools are guaranteed to remain Free, as long as there is a maintainer. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MacOS X Stack Name Anomalies
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Does OS 10.2 support invisible file name extensions? How can I fix this? I see the answer to the first question is Yes Just curious: what do you mean by invisible file name extensions. Is this something the Finder displays/hides? Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Non-greedy regex?
Hi, I want to scan a long chunk of multiline text and extract all lines that contain the string gClassMangle (in the form of '__##classname' where ## is the length of the class name). I'm was trying to use the following script - the basic idea is to find the first match, get it, then delete everything up to and including it from the text and repeat. put __ tClassLength gClassName into gClassMangle put (\n([^_]*) gClassMangle ([^\n]*)\n) into tPatter repeat forever put empty into startMatch put empty into endMatch if matchChunk(gJumpText, tPattern, startMatach, endMatch) then get char startMatch to endMatch of gJumpText answer it delete char 1 to endMatch of gJumpText else exit repeat end if end repeat But it was matching everything from the beginning of the text to the end of the first match. I realized this was because it was doing a greedy match (as regex is), and so didn't just match from the nearest return character (beginning of the line), but from the first return character (beginning of the text). Is there an elegant way (without having to count back characters and such from endMatch) to get matchChunk to do what I want and do a non-greedy match? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Non-greedy regex?
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 09:23 AM, Jim Witte wrote: Is there an elegant way (without having to count back characters and such from endMatch) to get matchChunk to do what I want and do a non-greedy match? Just a couple of ideas - gotta run. 1) use replaceText instead? 2) Don't put the \n explicitly, use ^ and $ to anchor the match to the start or end of the line. It may not be necessary to anchor it at all. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: image paste
On 8/18/03 1:26 AM, Andrew wrote: When I paste an image on a card (again, its rect appears as big as the whole card, no matter the size of the image), and then I paste a second image on the same card, the second image seems to become part of the first one. What can I do to make the two images separate objects? When you paste an image from the clipboard, Rev opens the painting tools and creates a new image object. The default size of an image object is the size of the card. After that, whenever you click in the image with a painting tool, the image is opened for editing. That's why a second paste places the new image inside the old one. To create separate image objects which are automatically sized only as large as the image content, use Import as control in the File menu to bring in an image from a file on disk. If your images are not files on disk, you can still paste from the clipboard. But after you have created an image object this way, you will need to use a script to resize the image object to the formattedWidth and formattedHeight of the object. That will make it smaller. Then when you do the second paste, be sure not to click inside the first image (so you won't accidentally open it for editing.) Click elsewhere on the card before pasting, and the second paste should create a new image object -- which you will also want to resize, since it too will be as large as the card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Yes, Alex Rice, you are quite right: my message is extremely rude! I did not enjoy writing ithowever there are one or 2 points.. 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. There has certainly been the impression of a 'community' - now one of the shortcomings of RR is the lack of an adequate manual that will serve the needs of new programmers - the use-lists, to a certain extent, serve that purpose. However if users are writing the manual (so to speak) should they not have some benefit from it? The concept of a community where people give freely of their time and effort to contribute to building something (in this case a knowledge base) seems directly the opposite of a commercial enterprise. I understood that the Runtime Revolution team were doing something admirable; an attempt to combine both concepts in what we might like to term a third way or enlightened commercialism. However, the removal of the 'free' version of RR does away with this image and leave us with raw commercialism. So henceforward words like RR developer community will sound a bit hollow. I have been repeatedly encouraged in my comments to the use-list and contributions both to the developer contribs page and on my own small website by both RR staff members and by other use-list members; and that made me feel part of a 'community' in which at least some of my stuff was valued. I have always made it explicit that I could not afford a license (I do not develop software for anybody at the moment) this did not stop anybody encouraging me. The reason why I feel f***ed off is because I will no longer be able to contribute very successfully to the use-list or the developer contribs page being unable to have proper access to future RR builds. 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. All very sad, Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html __ --- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 11:14 Europe/Vienna, Graham Samuel wrote: It's the stack with all the startup logic and it's the root of all the common handlers for the rest of the app, plus it contains private debugging info (I have a kind of tracer/timer routine that shows the progress of certain events in a field I can look at during development). Since it's the mainstack, it opens automatically when the app starts. I may have designed my app in a stupid way from the RunRev point of view, but I got some of these ideas from SuperCard and they've stuck... Make a splash screen only to click on to start. And hide the mainstack in the data folder with all the other stuff. The splash screen should not do more than start and work as you say as an anchor for the real stacks in the data folder. If you dont know how to do I cant help you more but I know who can help you with that problem, because he showed me once how to do that: Klaus Major!! I would drop him a line offlist... Dont know if that helps... regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1783 - 17 msgs
Thank you for the warning and potential need to Valentina, etc. Michael Young is RR a reasonable database tool substitute for an application like Filemaker Pro on Macintosh OS X to create simple databases Absolutely yes, Michael. Main disclaimer is multi-user simultaneous access or very large numbers of records, at which point the 'hard-end features' of RR are needed (SQL, Oracle, Valentina etc). And one day I, too, shall venture into these murky waters. Until then I prefer to keep sane (-ish) ;) /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:44 AM, Mathewson wrote: 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but RR starter ed. was never FREE. It was _gratis_. There is a difference. My feeling is: that RR is a business does not detract from the quality of this forum. 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. That's a bizarre analogy. Ask any drug dealer; the first one is always free. I wouldn't compare RR to heroin OR orange juice though. What about my suggestions: 1) apply for a grant to pay for your commercial software, or 2) use Open-Source software instead. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unable to switch to version 2.
Le mercredi, 13 aoû 2003, à 21:57 Europe/Paris, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi Michel, What i expect is that this problem could be relative to the way the Rev/MC 2.5 engine works under MacOSX to reopen 1.1.1 stacks issues, not in about your stack it-self. If needed, i can test your stack under Linux, where there are never problems in reopening such kind of stacks. If your problem don't happen, here, you will then have to fill a request to bugzella. Else i will have an eye to your code. If you want, send me the stack in a .zip or .gz and i will let you know how it goes. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Thank you Pierre for your nice proposition, In fact I prepared a limited version ( 3 stacks) of my application and tested it before to send it to you. Surprise, it was working on version 2.0., and ... there was no reason to send it to you. I returned to the original application which has around 50 identical stacks and was working perfectly since 10 years on Hypercard first and after on version 1.1.1. and still now ... These identical stacks are based on a unique start using stack storing all the handlers and each one has the minimum, just a function, within on preopenstack, on openstack etc referring to the start using stack. Among the fifty identical stacks, I found that 2 were refusing to open (those who were the most used of course) You must know that the difficulties were not limited to the impossibility to open these stacks, in fact each time I passed through these stacks it was followed (sometimes with a delay) by the crash of the Revolution distribution which refused to reopen after and stayed freezed. Thank to that I had the chance to became one of the best re-loaders (perhaps in the world) of Revolution version 2 with 300 to 400 reloads in 3 months. I asked the technical support for help but they are so slow ... I am still waiting an answer since near two weeks. By chance (after 3 months I am not so sure it is chance ..) I noticed that these 2 stacks were accepting to open when using: - lock messages - open stack The way was found, I rewrote the handlers to avoid to use on preopenstack, openstack and closestack. And it works on version 2.00... I am happy of course on one side, on the other I am hungry for these days and days lost. I am obliged to think that Revolution is far to be as ready as is it said and I am afraid with the coming version 2.1. Yes I bought it . because it was one potential solution to my problems. Thank you Pierre and also Jan who tried to help me ... and good luck to those coming from Hypercard or from version 1.1.1. Who knows ? Michel Taillade PS: I have no possibility to be to Apple Expo in september, it is a pity ... Next year probably. I was there last year and met Kevin Miller and Frederic Rinaldi ... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to properly format text in sheet on OS X?
On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 06:18 AM, Brian K. Maher wrote: answer warning font face='Lucida Grande' size='13'bmessage text/bbrbr/fontfont face='Lucida Grande' size='11'informative text/font with Continue as sheet from the docs: If the prompt contains p or a start/end tag pair, the answer command assumes the text is in the same format as the htmlText property. Otherwise, the answer command assumes the text is plain text. I got this to work: answer warning pfont size=18message text/font/pbrbrfont face=Arial size=12informative text/font/br/br with Continue as sheet I dropped the single quote marks. I nested the p/p tags. Empty space in attributes are not allowed in SGML and consequently HTML. I'm not sure about Transcript. I'm thinking that setting the answer textFont to Lucida Grande first, somehow might make multiple fonts available. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Recently, Mathewson wrote: 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. They could indeed consider this but are the obligated to do so? What if they choose not to? There has certainly been the impression of a 'community' - now one of the shortcomings of RR is the lack of an adequate manual that will serve the needs of new programmers - the use-lists, to a certain extent, serve that purpose. However if users are writing the manual (so to speak) should they not have some benefit from it? Your choice of the term inadequate is subjective -- extensive documentation is included in the package. Users are not writing the manual, they are expounding on it, to provide additional help and insights for other users, a labor which one might call community. The concept of a community where people give freely of their time and effort to contribute to building something (in this case a knowledge base) seems directly the opposite of a commercial enterprise. I understood that the Runtime Revolution team were doing something admirable; an attempt to combine both concepts in what we might like to term a third way or enlightened commercialism. You appear to be saying that commercial enterprise and community cannot coexist. You might have a hard time justifying this point of view with the online forums provided by every major software product in the world. However, the removal of the 'free' version of RR does away with this image and leave us with raw commercialism. So henceforward words like RR developer community will sound a bit hollow. I think many folks would argue that they would rather have a hollow community than no community at all. I have been repeatedly encouraged in my comments to the use-list and contributions both to the developer contribs page and on my own small website by both RR staff members and by other use-list members; and that made me feel part of a 'community' in which at least some of my stuff was valued. Until now, none of this had changed. I have always made it explicit that I could not afford a license (I do not develop software for anybody at the moment) this did not stop anybody encouraging me. Are you suggesting you are owed something because you cannot afford a license? Is anything preventing you from using what you currently have to make contributions? The reason why I feel f***ed off is because I will no longer be able to contribute very successfully to the use-list or the developer contribs page being unable to have proper access to future RR builds. Again, you can continue to use what you have to create whatever contributions you wish. If you feel you are owed proper access to future RR builds, I would suggest taking this up with the RunRev folks privately, the folks who enact the policies, instead of hurling your accusations at listmembers who are not part of your situation. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On 8/18/03 9:44 AM, Mathewson wrote: 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. You will excuse my bluntness, but I am responding to the tone of your first message. While your contributions have been prolific and likely useful to some beginners, they are somewhat trivial. That is not to belittle your attempts, but merely to point out that perhaps your contributions do not entirely pay for a perpetual free version of Revolution. There has certainly been the impression of a 'community' - now one of the shortcomings of RR is the lack of an adequate manual that will serve the needs of new programmers - the use-lists, to a certain extent, serve that purpose. However if users are writing the manual (so to speak) should they not have some benefit from it? Revolution contains some of the best documentation in the business. I would hardly say that the users here are writing the docs, particularly after seeing up close and personal how much work Jeanne has put into them. What I do see more often than not on this list are people pointing out to others *where* in the docs to find the information they need. The docs are constantly being reorganized and improved, but the content is consistently exemplary. I have seen very few instances where what is asked here is not available already to anyone who choses to use the search plug-in to find it. The concept of a community where people give freely of their time and effort to contribute to building something (in this case a knowledge base) seems directly the opposite of a commercial enterprise. The crucial point you sail right over, of course, is that Runtime *is* a commercial enterprise. This is the crux of the matter for me, as a professional developer. I have seen other x-talk tools disappear or dwindle to obscurity. I have placed my company's future squarely in the hands of Runtime and if they do not succeed then neither do I. I applaud any steps the company may take to plug the leaks in their financial future. You are bitter because someone took away your free toy. I say tough. I have paid for my copies of MetaCard in the past, and now I pay for my copies of Revolution. Runtime's current discount prices are so beyond reasonable that I worry about their viability. I want this company to succeed. I want x-talk to be around forever. The 30-day trial is a good way for newcomers to test the software to see if it meets their needs. The intent of the original starter kit was the same; it was intended as a trial version. The fact that some people abused it and never did buy the software was intentionally overlooked for a while. You can't very well complain that a company who needs to make a profit to survive is now taking notice of these abuses. However, the removal of the 'free' version of RR does away with this image and leave us with raw commercialism. So henceforward words like RR developer community will sound a bit hollow. I assure you that those of us who own legitimate, paid licenses still feel very much part of this community. I hate to break it to you, but raw commercialism is what is going to keep this tool in the hands of users world-wide. Runtime isn't a large enough enterprise yet to be able to sustain any amount of monetary leakage. It is naive to expect that a commercial company will continue to hand you free software forever. I say this with authority as a professional developer who runs a company based on raw commercialism. We have expenses, we have bills. If we don't pay our expenses, we lose our business. If that should ever happen to Runtime, you'd lose your free software anyway -- and what is worse, the rest of us who did pay for it would also be left with nothing. Frankly, I can't understand your attitude. You should be grateful for the free ride you've had so far. The reason why I feel f***ed off is because I will no longer be able to contribute very successfully to the use-list or the developer contribs page being unable to have proper access to future RR builds. My heart bleeds for you. The rest of us have paid. When you get a job, you can buy software too. Meanwhile, use the starter kit you already have and stop looking your gift horse in the mouth. You aren't the only one who feels like using unprintable words here. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Mathewson wrote: Yes, Alex Rice, you are quite right: my message is extremely rude! I did not enjoy writing it... Then why put yourself through that? If your major were in communications that style would carry you far, but only if you want a job in American foreign policy negotation. ;) ... 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. Perhaps it might. Had you considered writing a brief professional request to RunRev directly before napalming the list? Or better, since your school is deriving value from Rev and your good work with it, might they find a way to finance a US$79 license? They'd be supporting the local economy at the same time. 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. The privilege of obtaining higher education at a good university is an unimaginable dream for the sort of person your anecdote describes. While the choice of pursuing upward mobility through such a degree does carry its share of temporary hardships, bringing that story into the conversation trivializes the abject poverty of the third world. Nearly half of the world's people live every day of their short lives without enough to eat. Some of these people are here in the States, and perhaps some in your community as well. I'll wager that even the most resource-strapped university spends more on catering a reception for a visiting lecturer than the cost of a Rev license. Perhaps the business school could do a quick ROI calculation for the purchasing department -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Non-greedy regex?
Is there an elegant way (without having to count back characters and such from endMatch) to get matchChunk to do what I want and do a non-greedy match? Yes. There are two ways. If you just want a certain match to be ungreedy, you can follow it with a ?, so something like: the (.*?) named would find the first matched word between the and named. So in the sentence: the man named Jack spoke to the woman named Jill it would find man, not woman (whereas 'the (.*) named' would be greedy and find woman). The second way is if you NEVER want it to be greedy in ANY match. In this case, put (?U) before your pattern. So you'd have: put (?U)(\n([^_]*) gClassMangle ([^\n]*)\n) into tPattern Hope this makes sense, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Non-greedy regex?
One other suggestion... the docs for PCRE (the underlying regex engine in Rev) is at: http://www.pcre.org/man.txt Have fun! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Witte Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Non-greedy regex? Hi, I want to scan a long chunk of multiline text and extract all lines that contain the string gClassMangle (in the form of '__##classname' where ## is the length of the class name). I'm was trying to use the following script - the basic idea is to find the first match, get it, then delete everything up to and including it from the text and repeat. put __ tClassLength gClassName into gClassMangle put (\n([^_]*) gClassMangle ([^\n]*)\n) into tPatter repeat forever put empty into startMatch put empty into endMatch if matchChunk(gJumpText, tPattern, startMatach, endMatch) then get char startMatch to endMatch of gJumpText answer it delete char 1 to endMatch of gJumpText else exit repeat end if end repeat But it was matching everything from the beginning of the text to the end of the first match. I realized this was because it was doing a greedy match (as regex is), and so didn't just match from the nearest return character (beginning of the line), but from the first return character (beginning of the text). Is there an elegant way (without having to count back characters and such from endMatch) to get matchChunk to do what I want and do a non-greedy match? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On 8/18/03 9:44 AM, Mathewson wrote: The reason why I feel f***ed off is because I will no longer be able to contribute very successfully to the use-list or the developer contribs page being unable to have proper access to future RR builds. I looked at your 179 contributions. This one lets me know that you have at least enough to get styled in Revolution T-shirt clad. Or perhaps I'm wrong and you couldn't really have been able to purchase one and all you wanted to do was soapbox your objection to American currency. Message: 8 From: Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: T-shirts and the Americans To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:27:25 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of us are Scots (RunRev, is, after all, a Scottish thing!) and wonder why we have to order T-shirts from 'over there' - can we not order them from somewhere over here in Pounds Sterling, or, heaven forfend, Euros ? Richmond Mathewson Ideally, yes. However, I have not yet turned up an equivalent service to CafePress in the UK. If anyone can come up with a suitable site, which will allow me to upload the images, offers a shop for our customers, and takes care of the order fulfilment, I will be more than happy to open an account with them. Likewise, for our Australian users, if you can show me a shop, I'll be happy to upload. ... Heather ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT]Re: Richmond's big surprise....
Bill Vlahos writes: [snip] Richard, This is one of the rudest posts I've seen in a long time. Bill Vlahos On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:49 AM, Mathewson wrote: So I come back from my holiday (yes, it was lovely, thanks) and find the following... RR 2.1 has no FREE 10-LINES of CODE possibility I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. Why not just SHIT all over us poor bastards/ Richmond Mathewsonhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution === Did it top my best? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT]Re: Richmond's big surprise....
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did it top my best? miscdas Yes, you are no longer the golden boy :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
I would like to put my three cents in. I have never found the folks at Revolution, or on this list, to be rude, selfish or unhelpful. So I am always amazed when people seem to get upset at them. We should never forget, that compared to Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft or Apple, Revolution are a cottage industry located in a digital croft. Despite this, compared to Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft or Apple the folks at Revolution are doing their best to produce a product that is not only cross platform, but which responds to all our needs. I know this does not specifically respond to any of Mathewson's critiques of the company and it's product, but I would like to not in closing that the reason aid workers had to go to Ethiopia in the first place was because the most productive farmland there is actually controlled by European agribusiness concerns, so the Ethiopian forced into having to beg for handouts had every right to get pissed off. James On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mathewson wrote: Yes, Alex Rice, you are quite right: my message is extremely rude! I did not enjoy writing it... Then why put yourself through that? If your major were in communications that style would carry you far, but only if you want a job in American foreign policy negotation. ;) ... 1. If RR is a commercial enterprise then it might like to consider rewarding developer contribs: the idea of FREE or not FREE can work in both directions. Perhaps it might. Had you considered writing a brief professional request to RunRev directly before napalming the list? Or better, since your school is deriving value from Rev and your good work with it, might they find a way to finance a US$79 license? They'd be supporting the local economy at the same time. 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. The privilege of obtaining higher education at a good university is an unimaginable dream for the sort of person your anecdote describes. While the choice of pursuing upward mobility through such a degree does carry its share of temporary hardships, bringing that story into the conversation trivializes the abject poverty of the third world. Nearly half of the world's people live every day of their short lives without enough to eat. Some of these people are here in the States, and perhaps some in your community as well. I'll wager that even the most resource-strapped university spends more on catering a reception for a visiting lecturer than the cost of a Rev license. Perhaps the business school could do a quick ROI calculation for the purchasing department -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching Fonts
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use Tuviah Snyder's EXT external to 'load' and 'unload' arbitrary fonts to make sure they are available, irrespective of the user's installed fonts. Where is info on this? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PCRE Regex
Ken: http://www.pcre.org/man.txt Ouch! /H
RE: Attaching Fonts
Use Tuviah Snyder's EXT external to 'load' and 'unload' arbitrary fonts to make sure they are available, irrespective of the user's installed fonts. Where is info on this? http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/external.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PCRE Regex
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 02:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcre.org/man.txt Ouch! Skip down 10% to get to the regex part. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: PCRE Regex
Ouch indeed, but definitive! :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PCRE Regex Ken: http://www.pcre.org/man.txt Ouch! /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
DB Access in standalones
I am building a standalone for OS X 10.2.6 (Rev v. 2.0.2, Commercial Enterprise license). The app uses database calls to a mysql database on my file server. In the development environment it works perfectly. I built an OS X distribution, taking care to include the db libraries. However, the standalone does not successfully contact the database. Instead I get a revdberr, invalid database type. (I chose to include error messages during distribution building. One puzzling thing: The standalone gets built with two folders in the same folder as the application package: database_drivers and revdb.bundle. I thought this was strange, because I'd understood that the db libraries were supposed to be put into the app package. So I moved them into the package. Now when I launch the app and try to connect to the database, it still fails, but I don't get the error message. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching Fonts
as far as i remember, load font was available only for windows, so it won't solve the cross-platform font problem that has been discussed here. or am i wrong? Am Montag, 18.08.03 um 21:32 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know anything about attaching fonts to an application. I just include the fonts in my installer. And this works fine [for me]. Use Tuviah Snyder's EXT external to 'load' and 'unload' arbitrary fonts to make sure they are available, irrespective of the user's installed fonts. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Attaching Fonts
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Use Tuviah Snyder's EXT external to 'load' and 'unload' arbitrary fonts to make sure they are available, irrespective of the user's installed fonts. Where is info on this? http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/external.htm Thanks! I read this as indicating the ability to load fonts is in the Windows version only. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Wolfgang M. Bereuter wrote: Assuming they are, can the same font be attached to the application/stack and work on both Mac and Windows without the user having to install the font? ... Thats exactly THE question! Very interesting... I have heard of embedded fonts. Not just acrobat and web, but also applications and documents on several operating systems. I'd like to learn more of this. Just having look-the-same fonts for multiple operating system and installing them might work. Having those stuffed in custom properties and then birthed and installed with shell or AppleScript would be cool if a restart is not needed or anything like that. Even cooler would be having three fonts built into the engine and they look the same on whatever platform. Dar Scott Dar Scott Consulting http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: serif, and san-serif What? No fixed-pitch, too? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Not to extend this at any length, but just to say that I'm with Jacque and others in supporting the RunRev guys. Her point is key: I want this company to succeed. I want x-talk to be around forever. I had to scratch around to pay for my first licence, and I admit I even grumbled a bit when comparing the price with other tools I'd used, but the above point is so important that I soon realised that it was a fair price since it gave RunRev a chance to stay in business. Back to work. Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DB Access in standalones
--- Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am building a standalone for OS X 10.2.6 (Rev v. 2.0.2, Commercial Enterprise license). The app uses database calls to a mysql database on my file server. In the development environment it works perfectly. I built an OS X distribution, taking care to include the db libraries. However, the standalone does not successfully contact the database. Instead I get a revdberr, invalid database type. (I chose to include error messages during distribution building. One puzzling thing: The standalone gets built with two folders in the same folder as the application package: database_drivers and revdb.bundle. I thought this was strange, because I'd understood that the db libraries were supposed to be put into the app package. So I moved them into the package. Now when I launch the app and try to connect to the database, it still fails, but I don't get the error message. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Devin Asay Hi Devin, You might want to check out the Transcript dictionary entry for the 'revSetDatabaseDriverPath' command. If that doesn't cut it, insert an 'answer' with all your connection parameters to make sure they're up to sniff. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:08:43 -0400, Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not set the first card of the mainstack as a splash image at startup, then send the mainstack offscreen and open your substacks at specified locations. This way, the user won't know the splash is part of it, will never see it after it departs the screen area, will stay open because the user can't accidentally close it. and Wolfgang M. Bereuter wrote: Make a splash screen only to click on to start. And hide the mainstack in the data folder with all the other stuff... Yes, that's what I should have done. But with a deadline approaching and many hours of scripting and testing behind me, I didn't want to reorganise my app at this particular moment. The next one is already being constructed on the lines suggested. I have solved the problem for now using Richard Gaskin's point that If you use a preOpenStack handler in the card script you should be able to do anything you like before the mainstack is drawn. once I got used to the idea that the preOpenStack goes to the card first and then the stack. Anyway crisis over for now and the beta has been sent off. Thanks to all. Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database tool
--- Michael Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello experts, I need some advice before I head down a path that may end in a dead end since I am still an RR neophyte getting to know this tool. I know the old saying about choosing the right tool for the job, however while I have engineering degrees and programming experience in LabVIEW, C, Pascal on IBM mainframe, PEP assembler and etc. I am currently a hobbyist who does not have the time to learn and use multiple tools so I subscribe to the theory of learning one hammer really well and turning everything into a nail. :-) (For example, I previously used LabVIEW to create simple HTML files by pulling files from various local hard drive directories that for those of you who know LIVE probably seems silly, but it worked well. I viewed myself as inventive not crazy. :-) ) So, is RR a reasonable database tool substitute for an application like Filemaker Pro on Macintosh OS X to create simple databases (single user with hundreds of new records per month and sometimes simple file i/o for pdf storage and display retrieval)? If so, where can I find the best practice examples on how to develop such databases (I have already worked through the tutorial database)? If not, what database management system is suggested? (I do not want to start a flame war, but I simply do not like FMP.) Thanks in advance for your input, Michael Hi Michael, As you're looking for an elaborate yet easy-to-use general-purpose development tool, Revolution is an excellent candidate. If you only need Windows and MacOS support, Valentina is a wonderful companion as you only need single-user access. The best part is that if you don't use any database-specific SQL-extensions, you can take your code and hook it up to MySQL, PostgreSQL or any ODBC-enabled database, and all you have to do is change the connection parameters. The built-in query manager and its database-linked fields, checkboxes and option-menus make it easy to hook your stacks up to an SQL database, with a minimum of scripting effort required. Some people even use Revolution in conjunction with FileMaker Pro : you'll get all the flexibility of a complete scripting language, along with the power of one of the easiest databases to setup and maintain. As for tutorials, have a look at the Revolution Developer Central - User contributions : http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html Direct link to Tuviah Snyder's Database Examples : http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/developerdownloads/DB%20Examples.zip And Sarah Reichelt has some fine examples on how to hook up Revolution to MySQL ; check out her site : http://www.troz.net/Rev/ Last but not least, a great alternative to all the SQL databases, is Serendipity Database - Binary ; written entirely in Transcript ; works seamlessly across the 11 Revolution-supported platforms ; can be completely embedded in your applications. Then again, the author Rob Cozens already gave you a link, so you may have downloaded it and played around a bit ; I mainly wanted to endorse it :-) Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DB Access in standalones
On 8/18/03 3:04 PM, Devin Asay wrote: One puzzling thing: The standalone gets built with two folders in the same folder as the application package: database_drivers and revdb.bundle. I thought this was strange, because I'd understood that the db libraries were supposed to be put into the app package. So I moved them into the package. Now when I launch the app and try to connect to the database, it still fails, but I don't get the error message. Is the externals property set to the right path? The externals property is relative to the application bundle, not the engine inside the Contents folder. That's probably why Rev puts it where you first found it. I believe Rev also tries to set the externals property during a build. If you moved the files, the path that Rev sets would no longer be accurate (and it produces a silent error in that case.) This sounds a lot like the problems I've had loading externals, which has almost always been a problem with paths during startup. Also, if it applies, it seems to help to keep all the database calls in the mainstack rather than in substacks. There seems to be some problem with substacks that make calls to externals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:44 AM, Mathewson wrote: 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. Whereas, I do sell services and do hope to sell products in the future, I will take this threat seriously and will take steps to make sure I never use your free advice. Moreover, I would like to say to all that my comments on this list are absolutely free have no strings attached and should any person actually pay attention to them (it could happen) and use them to make big bucks, I am very pleased. That person owes me nothing, zip, nata, zero, nada, zilch. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
image resize 2
An amendment to my last posting. Mark Talluto had asked if my image was 72 dpi, because if so, the image would be sized larger that it may have been intended when imported in to Rev. Sorry, I don't know what the dpi of my image is. I'm simply drawing it in the paint program of an application called Claris Works and copy-pasting it into Revolution. But again, the size of the image is not being effected, but rather the rect of the image. Thanks! Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
In the old Hypercard, you could put FONT resources in the resource fork of the stack and they would be recognized by HC. It was a wonderful solution. We were told it wasn't 'kosher' to do that, but it worked great!!! As the basic concept of fonts is not really platform specific, it seems like there should be some way to do this in Rev. Perhaps even a 'special set' of fonts that could be included or sold separately. THE question! Very interesting... I have heard of embedded fonts. Not just acrobat and web, but also applications and documents on several operating systems. I'd like to learn more of this. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database tool
On 8/18/03 3:07 PM, Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people even use Revolution in conjunction with FileMaker Pro : you'll get all the flexibility of a complete scripting language, along with the power of one of the easiest databases to setup and maintain. I'd be curious to know how people are accessing FileMaker Pro from Rev. Applescript? ODBC? XML? Thanks Todd -- Todd Geist _ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e web hosting web design application design ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
Printing fonts were selected by the user in my apps. I'm talking about display, labels, etc. I didn't use HC printing anyway, I used Printreport Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: In the old Hypercard, you could put FONT resources in the resource fork of the stack and they would be recognized by HC. It was a wonderful solution. We were told it wasn't 'kosher' to do that, but it worked great!!! ...until you printed, then (with System 7 and later) it crashed the machine. -- Richard Gaskin ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Dar Scott wrote: Even cooler would be having three fonts built into the engine and they look the same on whatever platform. Dar Scott That would make a great feature upgrade. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
image resize 2
An amendment to my last posting. Mark Talluto had asked if my image was 72 dpi, because if so, the image would be sized larger that it may have been intended when imported in to Rev. Sorry, I don't know what the dpi of my image is. I'm simply drawing it in the paint program of an application called Claris Works and copy-pasting it into Revolution. But again, the size of the image is not being effected, but rather the rect of the image. Thanks! Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best way to set up an idle timer - The prize goes to...
==start script sample (line wrapping alert!) -- first of all, put into an otherwise unused script: on mouseMove send resetLogout to stack chinpr pass mouseMove end mouseMove on rawKeyDown send resetLogout to stack chinpr pass rawKeyDown end rawKeyDown -- then I put into my stack script: on openStack -- my other openStack junk here insert the script of image PRbg1.jpg of stack chinpr into front -- this handles mouseMove and rawKeyDown resetLogout -- start the logout countdown end openStack on logoutQuery if the userPIN of this stack is not empty then beep answer An appropriate prompt here. with Logout or Enter PIN... if it is Enter PIN... then -- (user chose to continue) repeat ask Enter your PIN to continue the test. if it is the userPIN of this stack then resetLogout exit repeat else answer information Incorrect PIN. Try Again or Logout? with Logout or Try Again if it is Logout then go card menu of stack chinpr logout exit repeat end if end if end repeat exit logoutquery else if it is Logout then -- (user chose to log out) go card menu of stack chinpr logout exit logoutQuery end if end if end logoutQuery on resetLogout -- cancel item 1 of last line of the pendingMessages put the pendingMessages into pndgMsgs repeat for each line thisMsg in pndgMsgs if item 3 of thisMsg contains logoutQuery then cancel item 1 of thisMsg end repeat send logoutQuery to stack chinpr in 5 * 60 seconds -- or whatever time period you want end resetLogout end script sample== Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University I am coming late to this thread. While the above solution works, there is an alternative approach that eliminates the need to deal with sending and fiddling with pending messages, assuming that you are after catching user doing nothing in the program because of leaving or talking on the phone or going to get coffee. The key element is to store a timestamp (easiest to use is the seconds function) of last activity in parallel to userPIN. The resetLogout function would then check whether the difference between current seconds and the last stored seconds is more than timeout threshold. If yes, it would call logoutQuery alse reset the timestamp to current seconds. Of course, a big functional difference is that with sending, you can display a logout dialog when the timeout threshold actually expires. Without sending, you would need to modify the dialog to say something like: due to xx minutes of inactivity you were logged out; enter your PIN to log in or click exit to leave the program. The user does not need to know that you are actually bluffing and will log him out only now. The plus of this solution is that it is not affected by computer sleeping. RObert ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Can I have that in writing, on the back of an extremely large check. Please make sure to have enough in your bank account to enable me to hire a body guard to protect me from the hitman you decided to hire and whack me. James On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 05:32 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:44 AM, Mathewson wrote: 2. Rudeness...I remember hearing about some aid workers in Ethiopia who gave out free orange juice to children: the parents would come and help the aid workers in a variety of ways. Suddenly the aid workers started demanding money for the juice - one of them was killed by a prent of one of the children who had previously recieved juice. Whereas, I do sell services and do hope to sell products in the future, I will take this threat seriously and will take steps to make sure I never use your free advice. Moreover, I would like to say to all that my comments on this list are absolutely free have no strings attached and should any person actually pay attention to them (it could happen) and use them to make big bucks, I am very pleased. That person owes me nothing, zip, nata, zero, nada, zilch. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 04:50 PM, Mark Brownell wrote: Wow. That's very cool. I would have struggled for many weeks longer than it took to add those optimizations to my rev_blowfish example. I'm real glad that I owe you nothing now. I didn't want to give you a free MTML publishing app anyway... ... just kidding :-) I would be very pleased to receive your gift of a free MTML publishing app. And your free kidding is appreciated, too. That is free, isn't it? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 03:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I would be very pleased to receive your gift of a free MTML publishing app. And your free kidding is appreciated, too. That is free, isn't it? Dar Scott No, now that I think this transaction over. That will be 2 cents please and would you please send that by private secure currier ASAP. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: image resize 2
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:33 PM, Andrew wrote: An amendment to my last posting. Mark Talluto had asked if my image was 72 dpi, because if so, the image would be sized larger that it may have been intended when imported in to Rev. Sorry, I don't know what the dpi of my image is. I'm simply drawing it in the paint program of an application called Claris Works and copy-pasting it into Revolution. But again, the size of the image is not being effected, but rather the rect of the image. Thanks! Andrew Andrew, When the image is imported into Rev, does it look pixelated? If not, then the dpi must be greater than 72. If it does appear jaggy, then Rev is stretching it out form some reason. I am not sure why, but it is easy to fix with formattedWidth and formattedHeight. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: image resize 2
Clarisworks/Appleworks allows one to set the dpi of the painting. Select FormatResolution Depth the default is 72 dpi An amendment to my last posting. Mark Talluto had asked if my image was 72 dpi, because if so, the image would be sized larger that it may have been intended when imported in to Rev. Sorry, I don't know what the dpi of my image is. I'm simply drawing it in the paint program of an application called Claris Works and copy-pasting it into Revolution. But again, the size of the image is not being effected, but rather the rect of the image. Thanks! Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Richmond and copyright
Whereas, I do sell services and do hope to sell products in the future, I will take this threat seriously and will take steps to make sure I never use your free advice. Moreover, I would like to say to all that my comments on this list are absolutely free have no strings attached and should any person actually pay attention to them (it could happen) and use them to make big bucks, I am very pleased. That person owes me nothing, zip, nata, zero, nada, zilch. WOW! I wonder what will happen while I'm sleeping tonight ;-) To Richmond: As a paid up Enterprise user I'm *very* glad that RunRev have canned the Free Edition. Long term Free Edition users are a drain on RunRev's resources. Who pays of those resources via our license payments? ME et al! To All: I think Dar's statement above and the thread that caused his response is one that needs more thought and a response from RunRev. We do contribute to each other's developments and there are different copyright laws in different countries. For example, in Australia the law is such that whatever I produce I have copyright over whether stated or not. That means that in theory I have copyright over everything I post to this list. I'd like to see a legal document on the RunRev site that automatically disclaims anyone's right to copyright over posts to this list and perhaps to user contributions. The document should also disclaim any liability on behalf of the author. The last thing we need is someone getting sued because they tried to help! I hereby disclaim any copyright over and any liability for anything posted to this listserve. Regards Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
Now, by currier, do you mean one who will tan your hide or one who will seek your favor? And I, for one, am glad to see this sad thread fizzle out in benign absurdity. -Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond and copyright
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: To All: I think Dar's statement above and the thread that caused his response is one that needs more thought and a response from RunRev. We do contribute to each other's developments and there are different copyright laws in different countries. For example, in Australia the law is such that whatever I produce I have copyright over whether stated or not. That means that in theory I have copyright over everything I post to this list. I'd like to see a legal document on the RunRev site that automatically disclaims anyone's right to copyright over posts to this list and perhaps to user contributions. The document should also disclaim any liability on behalf of the author. The last thing we need is someone getting sued because they tried to help! I hereby disclaim any copyright over and any liability for anything posted to this listserve. Regards Monte Monte, This copyright thread was discussed at length on another list regarding postings to that list and copyright issues. Their concerns where about finding out that there was an archive of all the previous postings. It came up that some wanted to change what they had posted several years earlier. St John's Maelstrom was going to drop years before 1999 because the archive database was getting clogged up. I was going to make an MTML version of the dropped years so that it would not be lost. The final resolution was that if the messages are not changed they can be reproduced (republished) outside of the list without concern for copyright infringement. So to those that wanted there messages changed the answer was no. The archive is public domain as long as it remains in its equivalent form, without changing what was said. I forget the law that was sited in regard to this but I could search for copyright threads from a year ago in that list's archive. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond and copyright
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 05:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I hereby disclaim any copyright over and any liability for anything posted to this listserve. Yeah, me, too! I didn't think about the liability part. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 04:32 PM, Dar Scott wrote: No, now that I think this transaction over. That will be 2 cents please and would you please send that by private secure currier ASAP. Now, by currier, do you mean one who will tan your hide or one who will seek your favor? -- Dar let's see: brown shirt or brown nose... And this: And I, for one, am glad to see this sad thread fizzle out in benign absurdity. -Kurt Wait a second, I wanted to say asshole, shit, turd, fart, butthead, dickhead... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
you just did ;-) Wait a second, I wanted to say asshole, shit, turd, fart, butthead, dickhead... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
--- Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you just did ;-) Wait a second, I wanted to say... why? = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Richmond and copyright
Monte, This copyright thread was discussed at length on another list regarding postings to that list and copyright issues. Their concerns where about finding out that there was an archive of all the previous postings. It came up that some wanted to change what they had posted several years earlier. St John's Maelstrom was going to drop years before 1999 because the archive database was getting clogged up. I was going to make an MTML version of the dropped years so that it would not be lost. The final resolution was that if the messages are not changed they can be reproduced (republished) outside of the list without concern for copyright infringement. So to those that wanted there messages changed the answer was no. The archive is public domain as long as it remains in its equivalent form, without changing what was said. I forget the law that was sited in regard to this but I could search for copyright threads from a year ago in that list's archive. Mark Mark My guess (and this is something that we probably shouldn't guess about) is that the copyright laws of the originating country apply to each individual post. The copyright over the archive may be another matter as anyone can archive the list. I can't see that any copyright can be held over a collection like that. Otherwise art galleries etc would be laughing. I think this is something that should be considered carefully. How many of us have handlers that came from this list or Ken Ray's Tips in our apps? I do. The last thing we need is SCO taking over one of our companies hey! Regards Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question)
Is there a way to have a web page either: (1) save it's self, so it's user editable fields can be read later?; or (2) have the web page read a text file and populate it's fields. Then save the user editable fields back to the text file? If either of these options is possible, how would you go about doing it? Or, is there another way to accomplish this task? Background: my application creates a questioner. That questioner (or text file) is posted to a web site. A user then answers the questions by typing in the form fields. (Note that this could be a work in progress. Meaning that the user could put in some text, then come back the next day and continue editing the fields.) When the user is done, the application would then query the web page (or text file) and compile a report. Any thoughts? Thanks! -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond, rudeness and commercial enterprise
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Judy Perry wrote: Meanwhile, I'm lucky to have a single course to teach and so far we'll be using the old 1.x 10-line limited demo until I can beg the department for the paltry $500 to get a lab license... Maybe the department can buy a $75 version and after seeing what you can do with that will insist you buy more. Sorry... universities -- especially state-funded ones -- are black holes for kleptocrats. I understand your feelings. The processes that cause higher education costs to increase faster than inflation are the same ones that twist one's arm and encourage one to go to a state-funded school. Are you a grad student at Fullerton? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question)
Is there a way to have a web page either: (1) save it's self, so it's user editable fields can be read later?; or (2) have the web page read a text file and populate it's fields. Then save the user editable fields back to the text file?... This sound like something that could be done using php scripts, assuming you would be able to run php on your server. I have used php to collect data on web pages and have it mailed to a remote address; I see no reason why it couldn't send the text to a local file. If the file is named for the individual filling out the fields, another php script could pull the file and repopulate the fields in the state they were left at the individual's previous session. Maybe Revolution is capable of the same? -Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Designing a Doc-Centric Web App
I have built a Web application in Zope and Python over the past year or so. The application has become so complex that maintaining it is becoming a bit nightmarish for me. I'm spending far too much time wrestling with the app framework (Zope) and syntax (Python accessing Zope Object Database) than I am solving problems for the client. I have also realized that using an OO database was overkill, and that decision is part of the reason for my current feeling of being trapped inside tiny, twisty passages. This application needs to allow its primary user, who is a professional facilitator conducting a process interview with a client, to: 1. Log in securely (to the app and/or the Web location) 2. Create a new document on the server (transparently to the user, who is decidedly NOT technical) 3. Update the document on the server as he or she asks questions and receives responses (i.e., the document needs to replace or update itself on the net as the user requests that it do so) 4. Locate and retrieve documents from the server, limited only to those created by the particular user, and either view, print or revise those documents One other user, the supervisor, needs to be able to access all documents regardless of which interviewer created them, and review, print, or revise them. The only tricky part is that there are two stages in this interview process where the precise number of times the question has to be asked and answered is not known in advance. I want to create a desktop app in Rev that will handle all the UI, data validation, and communication with the server. I have already designed the window and its screen contents as well as the interaction. The issues I have relate to the interaction between the desktop app and the server from a Revolution perspective. 1. Security is a significant concern. The interview data contains highly personal information about the interviewee. I suspect I'll want to use SSL for the Web connection but it's not clear to me what if anything I need Rev to be able to do to handle SSL and whether there are any gotchas lurking there. 2. I particularly do not want to send login ID and password for the facilitator in the clear. What encryption issues will I encounter in Revolution? Are there encryption algorithms that already work in Rev or will I need either to hook into an Open Source solution or roll my own? 3. Does anyone see any major issues, problems, concerns, or flat-out roadblocks I should think about as I re-design this app? 4. One of my big issues is that if I design this as a document-centric app -- which it seems to want to be -- I won't be structuring the text much, except perhaps for display purposes. As opposed, e.g., to producing a mySQL app (which I could do but which seems like almost as much overkill as my current Zope solution), where the data would be stored presumably more efficiently. But since I *never* need to retrieve only part of the document, it seems most useful from a design perspective simply to treat it as a document. OK, I'm shutting up now and listening for input. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolutionary Author of forthcoming 3-book set, Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought http://www.revolutionpros.com for More Info ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Richmond and copyright
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 05:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: My guess (and this is something that we probably shouldn't guess about) is that the copyright laws of the originating country apply to each individual post. The copyright over the archive may be another matter as anyone can archive the list. I can't see that any copyright can be held over a collection like that. Otherwise art galleries etc would be laughing. I think this is something that should be considered carefully. How many of us have handlers that came from this list or Ken Ray's Tips in our apps? I do. The last thing we need is SCO taking over one of our companies hey! Regards Monte The SCO depute is over permission to disclose patented source code through a lawsuit over breach of contract. All this back and forth stuff is in regards to patents that have been awarded. They exist because of basic concepts for patents here in the USA. If the source code or even the idea that the source code attempts to conceive was published like on a list like this then the source code could not be patented. This is because of the Previous Art clause. So stuff published on this list is already public domain. Now there is the issue of copyright. I believe that you can protect the copyright of an application that you create and defend that in a lawsuit. You could do that without regard for algorithms that were previously published and without fear of previous Art issues like in patents. The trick is to share only what you would not mind giving away. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question)
Hi Dan Is there a way to have a web page either: (1) save it's self, so it's user editable fields can be read later?; or No, HTML is dumb. (2) have the web page read a text file and populate it's fields. Then save the user editable fields back to the text file? This is possible with JavaScript but it's probably a hard way to go about it. And you would still need a CGI back end for the saving. If either of these options is possible, how would you go about doing it? Or, is there another way to accomplish this task? Use Rev CGI. Check out Tip of the week 6 on the RunRev website for basic stuff. Create a template HTML page using the merge function syntax (see the docs). Include username and password hidden fields in the page. Create another page where the user enters username and password with a submit button pointing to your cgi script. The first time the user enters in a username the cgi creates a stack named username.rev and a customProperty uPassword the value of the password. Every other time the cgi should check the password matches the username then uses the merge function to return the currently saved data in the html page. Hope that all makes sense ;-) It will all be heaps easier when Rodney and I release libCGI. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question)
Dynamic is the correct term to describe what you want. There are many ways to do this and it's all do-able , just write or rip the code. The best way is to use a database file, either text file, or better yet, SQL. For persistence between sessions, you'd need to factor in some kind of cookie code or set up a password system to access the database. Check out online script collections for free PHP or PERL scripts that will do this, google for 'script archives'. You will need a full-service web server account, which today are cheap and fast. Dreamhost is a really good webhost among hundreds of providers that can give you a UNIX domained account with PERL, PHP, PYTHON and MYSQL. $10/month will give you the above and 300 mb of space, $20/month will give you more space and shell access. http://dreamhost.com I currently run 10 sites there. sqb Is there a way to have a web page either: (1) save it's self, so it's user editable fields can be read later?; or (2) have the web page read a text file and populate it's fields. Then save the user editable fields back to the text file? If either of these options is possible, how would you go about doing it? Or, is there another way to accomplish this task? Background: my application creates a questioner. That questioner (or text file) is posted to a web site. A user then answers the questions by typing in the form fields. (Note that this could be a work in progress. Meaning that the user could put in some text, then come back the next day and continue editing the fields.) When the user is done, the application would then query the web page (or text file) and compile a report. Any thoughts? Thanks! -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] A Primer on Message Mechanics--you know, 'send'
I very much appreciate advice from folks on the list. Here is a partial attempt to return the favor. I am making available to all a stack I call A Primer on Message Mechanics. It is an introduction to the use of send, cancel and pendingMessages. It is a little long, but it does start at basics and builds up from those. It provides a peek into my style, but I think it is general enough that you can develop your own style. Thumb through it a few coffee breaks and download breaks and you should get a feel for how to use send. It does not walk you through building any examples, but it does have lots of examples, each building on concepts from previous pages and previous examples. It is essentially an 88 page booklet with live examples and demos. I created this on OS X and checked it out on Windows XP and Mac OS 9. It is designed to be used in the Revolution environment, but I see no reason why a standalone cannot be built from it--I just haven't tried it yet. I have heard that it crashes on Windows ME, but it seems to work on two other versions of Windows--watch out. I have no idea how useful this will be to MC folks. Many of the examples are flashing indicators and some of those use red. If this might be a health problem for you, send me a note before getting the stack. If you are new to send and get bogged down, I would appreciate it if you would try to articulate where I lost you--if you have time and feel so inclined. Sometimes I get to thinking something is obvious and forget all I had to go through to learn it. If you are an expert in send, please let me know where I have lied. All, I welcome comment on my style and especially where I have failed to treat the user with respect. I think there are still many spelling errors and I welcome comments on those. I welcome comment on any goof. I apologize for saying publicly, It is coming! and then taking so long to get it out. I risked it being a little belabored to try to cover all those little preliminary concepts as well as a few advanced 'gotchas'. You can find A Primer on Message Mechanics here: http://www.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html Enjoy! Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Designing a Doc-Centric Web App
OK, I'm shutting up now and listening for input. Hi Dan It's almost as though if you had file server that you could mount on the desktop with a subfolder for each interviewer and a root folder for the supervisor then you could just write this as a desktop app. Just an idea. Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XML-RPC Support?
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 02:48 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: --- Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had read or heard somewhere that Revolution supports XML-RPC. But searching docs turns up no clues. Anyone got a pointer? Hi Dan, Revolution supports SOAP, which one might say supersedes XML-RPC. Have a look at \Sample stacks\SOAP_Toolbox.rev Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Jan, I do not think soap supersedes XML-RPC Soap is to complicated to use, xml-rpc is simple and does the job well, i never knew a project that really needed soap, xml-rpc always live up to the job for me. the sites: http://www.soapware.org http://www.xmlrpc.com Are both from Userland, they've got the specs, the implementations and a list of public avaiable services. xml-rpc has more services avaiable and is easier to implement. As for Dan question, he can implement xml-rpc by himself (it's not that hard!!!) or if he's using MacOS he can call applescripts to the xml-rpc call for him and pass back the results Cheers! Andre = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Andre Alves Garzia 2003 BRAZIL http://www.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dynamic Web Page
Dan, HTML is not dynamic so you'd need to use something like Javascript. I'm not sure, however, if Javascript can do anything outside of its sandbox, so to speak (like the hard drive's filesystem). Barry On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 18:05 America/Denver, Dan Shafer wrote: Subject: Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question) From: Dan Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to have a web page either: (1) save it's self, so it's user editable fields can be read later?; or (2) have the web page read a text file and populate it's fields. Then save the user editable fields back to the text file? If either of these options is possible, how would you go about doing it? Or, is there another way to accomplish this task? Background: my application creates a questioner. That questioner (or text file) is posted to a web site. A user then answers the questions by typing in the form fields. (Note that this could be a work in progress. Meaning that the user could put in some text, then come back the next day and continue editing the fields.) When the user is done, the application would then query the web page (or text file) and compile a report. Any thoughts? Thanks! -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Richmond and copyright
The SCO comment was just a stupid remark, sorry to confuse the issue. So stuff published on this list is already public domain. Now there is the issue of copyright. I believe that you can protect the copyright of an application that you create and defend that in a lawsuit. You could do that without regard for algorithms that were previously published and without fear of previous Art issues like in patents. The trick is to share only what you would not mind giving away. Copyright in the US is quite different from that in Australia. Over there you need to register the software to claim copyright. Here's it's implied at the time of creation. Unless I explicitly sign over the copyright to my work it remains mine. It's important to note that there are agreements between the US and Australia to recognise each others copyright laws as I'm sure there are between most countries. So as you can see the issue gets a bit fuzzy when you have a list like this made up of people from different countries. Regards Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dynamic Web Page (Not really a RR question)
You might want to take a look at this link from a thread earlier this month (Very easy to build a web database): http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tfurukaw/RunRev/developer.html Now I'm just guessing here: Perhaps each user could populate their own stack using email-address/password. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Designing a Doc-Centric Web App
Hi Dan, You know, I've been building such apps for sometime now. In fact, Jerry Daniels here in Austin, just finished one with our help. See below for some comments... I have built a Web application in Zope and Python over the past year or so. The application has become so complex that maintaining it is becoming a bit nightmarish for me. I'm spending far too much time wrestling with the app framework (Zope) and syntax (Python accessing Zope Object Database) than I am solving problems for the client. I have also realized that using an OO database was overkill, and that decision is part of the reason for my current feeling of being trapped inside tiny, twisty passages. This application needs to allow its primary user, who is a professional facilitator conducting a process interview with a client, to: 1. Log in securely (to the app and/or the Web location) No problem...one of the nice things about RR is you can create a 'stateless' web application. In fact, I've been pushing this approach to some of our clients because you *DON'T* have to download the interface, and interface logic each time you launch it (unlike browser based web apps where all the DHTML, button images, etc.. gets downloaded each time you visit a page). You might want to check out Philip Chumbley's article: (Nearly) Unbreakable KeyFile Encryption can be found at: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_dply003 While this isn't SSL, it can be used to communicate between two clients...or if you're good at scripting PHP, you could implement it on the PHP server. 2. Create a new document on the server (transparently to the user, who is decidedly NOT technical) What type of document? Will the user be uploading a file? If so, get with me offline as we've been working on a http file uploader which works with PHP and Apache. 3. Update the document on the server as he or she asks questions and receives responses (i.e., the document needs to replace or update itself on the net as the user requests that it do so) If it's a txt file, that's not a problem. If it's RTF or PDF, it might be a bit more difficult, but not impossible. 4. Locate and retrieve documents from the server, limited only to those created by the particular user, and either view, print or revise those documents Simple permissions stuff. You may have to write a group permissions editor. One other user, the supervisor, needs to be able to access all documents regardless of which interviewer created them, and review, print, or revise them. Admin mode? The only tricky part is that there are two stages in this interview process where the precise number of times the question has to be asked and answered is not known in advance. I want to create a desktop app in Rev that will handle all the UI, data validation, and communication with the server. I have already designed the window and its screen contents as well as the interaction. The issues I have relate to the interaction between the desktop app and the server from a Revolution perspective. 1. Security is a significant concern. The interview data contains highly personal information about the interviewee. I suspect I'll want to use SSL for the Web connection but it's not clear to me what if anything I need Rev to be able to do to handle SSL and whether there are any gotchas lurking there. SSL is not available yet, but is expected to be coming soon. I'm not a big fan of SSL as I believe it slows things down too much. IMHO, Use it sparingly. 2. I particularly do not want to send login ID and password for the facilitator in the clear. What encryption issues will I encounter in Revolution? Are there encryption algorithms that already work in Rev or will I need either to hook into an Open Source solution or roll my own? See article above. 3. Does anyone see any major issues, problems, concerns, or flat-out roadblocks I should think about as I re-design this app? 4. One of my big issues is that if I design this as a document-centric app -- which it seems to want to be -- I won't be structuring the text much, except perhaps for display purposes. As opposed, e.g., to producing a mySQL app (which I could do but which seems like almost as much overkill as my current Zope solution), where the data would be stored presumably more efficiently. But since I *never* need to retrieve only part of the document, it seems most useful from a design perspective simply to treat it as a document. Yep, I agree. Use the filesystemobject if you can. If you don't have to do any database intensive stuff, it could work well for you. Though, I think it's slower than updating a DB. best. Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] A Primer on Message Mechanics--you know, 'send'
Hi Dar, Thank you, thank you very much for your primer it's very fun and i learned much! I'll also download the primer primer so that i can make primers myself... we could really help the community with approaches like this Thanks you again for the very good job Andre On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:30 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I very much appreciate advice from folks on the list. Here is a partial attempt to return the favor. I am making available to all a stack I call A Primer on Message Mechanics. It is an introduction to the use of send, cancel and pendingMessages. It is a little long, but it does start at basics and builds up from those. It provides a peek into my style, but I think it is general enough that you can develop your own style. Thumb through it a few coffee breaks and download breaks and you should get a feel for how to use send. It does not walk you through building any examples, but it does have lots of examples, each building on concepts from previous pages and previous examples. It is essentially an 88 page booklet with live examples and demos. I created this on OS X and checked it out on Windows XP and Mac OS 9. It is designed to be used in the Revolution environment, but I see no reason why a standalone cannot be built from it--I just haven't tried it yet. I have heard that it crashes on Windows ME, but it seems to work on two other versions of Windows--watch out. I have no idea how useful this will be to MC folks. Many of the examples are flashing indicators and some of those use red. If this might be a health problem for you, send me a note before getting the stack. If you are new to send and get bogged down, I would appreciate it if you would try to articulate where I lost you--if you have time and feel so inclined. Sometimes I get to thinking something is obvious and forget all I had to go through to learn it. If you are an expert in send, please let me know where I have lied. All, I welcome comment on my style and especially where I have failed to treat the user with respect. I think there are still many spelling errors and I welcome comments on those. I welcome comment on any goof. I apologize for saying publicly, It is coming! and then taking so long to get it out. I risked it being a little belabored to try to cover all those little preliminary concepts as well as a few advanced 'gotchas'. You can find A Primer on Message Mechanics here: http://www.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html Enjoy! Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Andre Alves Garzia 2003 BRAZIL http://www.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A Question on duplicating a card....
Hi Folks, i was wondering, a project of mine got some cards, they have the same controls and layout differing only in some minimal things... so i was trying to create one, then duplicate it and make the necessary changes but i just don't know how to duplicate a card... the menu command duplicade CMD+D is disabled... Cheers Andre Garzia 2003 imac2 ibook p100 e uma torradeira ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable fonts and usage recommendations needed
On 8/18/03 5:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: In the old Hypercard, you could put FONT resources in the resource fork of the stack and they would be recognized by HC. It was a wonderful solution. We were told it wasn't 'kosher' to do that, but it worked great!!! ...until you printed, then (with System 7 and later) it crashed the machine. Only if you quit the app before the print job was done. But the crash was spectacular. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: A Question on duplicating a card....
Hi Folks, i was wondering, a project of mine got some cards, they have the same controls and layout differing only in some minimal things... so i was trying to create one, then duplicate it and make the necessary changes but i just don't know how to duplicate a card... the menu command duplicade CMD+D is disabled... Hi Andre Group the common controls and set the backgroundBehavior of the group to true. Then use the new card command. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
Hi Richard I'm just catching up on this thread so my previous post may not be relevant. How do _you_ keep all the 'preopenstack' messages from ultimately running through this top stack. I know you could trap each stack's preopenstack message or check the name of the stack in the mainstack to see if you want to continue but I'm curious. I have run into some problems with this approach. Thanks Ron From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:18:51 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible? Graham Samuel wrote: It's the stack with all the startup logic and it's the root of all the common handlers for the rest of the app, plus it contains private debugging info (I have a kind of tracer/timer routine that shows the progress of certain events in a field I can look at during development). Since it's the mainstack, it opens automatically when the app starts. I may have designed my app in a stupid way from the RunRev point of view, but I got some of these ideas from SuperCard and they've stuck... I often do a similar thing, with the mainstack containing offscreen libraries and on screen it's a dialog warning about memory issues. I have a boot script in the card on the stack triggered by preOpenStack, which among other initializations also hides the mainstack. This way if something goes unpredictably wrong at least the user has some meaningful communication. If you use a preOpenStack handler in the card script you should be able to do anything you like before the mainstack is drawn. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How can I make my mainstack stay invisible?
Ron wrote: If you use a preOpenStack handler in the card script you should be able to do anything you like before the mainstack is drawn. I'm just catching up on this thread so my previous post may not be relevant. How do _you_ keep all the 'preopenstack' messages from ultimately running through this top stack. I know you could trap each stack's preopenstack message or check the name of the stack in the mainstack to see if you want to continue but I'm curious. I have run into some problems with this approach. I have a boot script in the card on the stack triggered by preOpenStack While the mainstack's stack script is accessible to all substacks, the card script is not. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: newbie: how to scale and preserve aspect ratio
Hi Rob Can someone point me in the right direction regarding scaling images - - - my goal is to pull in a JPEG image from an URL and display it in a smaller size on the screen, no matter what the original size - - - yet preserve it's aspect ratio. Check out the formattedWidth and formattedHeight properties. The basic scenario is that you divide your constant width (120) by the formattedWidth of the image. That gives you a scale factor so you can set the height of the image: set the height of image 1 to round(the formattedHeight image 1*(120/the formattedWidth of image 1)) Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A Question on duplicating a card....
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Sarah wrote: i was wondering, a project of mine got some cards, they have the same controls and layout differing only in some minimal things... so i was trying to create one, then duplicate it and make the necessary changes but i just don't know how to duplicate a card... the menu command duplicade CMD+D is disabled... While grouping the objects and setting the group's background behavior to true is probably the best option, if you really need to duplicate a card and all it's objects, use the message box and type clone this card Cheers, Sarah Thanks Sarah and Judy, the group+background behavior does not work for me, for I already have it set up for other needs... but clone this card is something i didn't thought of! thanks, it works fine! Cheers! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.troz.net/Rev/ Andre Garzia 2003 imac2 ibook p100 e uma torradeira ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: newbie: how to scale and preserve aspect ratio
I also just recently put together a stack that demonstrates this in response to another question on the list. Looks like it's not on the user contributions page yet, but if you want a copy, I would be happy to send you one. - Original Message - Can someone point me in the right direction regarding scaling images - - - my goal is to pull in a JPEG image from an URL and display it in a smaller size on the screen, no matter what the original size - - - yet preserve it's aspect ratio. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database tool
--- Todd Geist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/18/03 3:07 PM, Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people even use Revolution in conjunction with FileMaker Pro : you'll get all the flexibility of a complete scripting language, along with the power of one of the easiest databases to setup and maintain. I'd be curious to know how people are accessing FileMaker Pro from Rev. Applescript? ODBC? XML? Thanks Todd -- Todd Geist Hi Todd, Even though ODBC is the 'obvious' answer, some go so far as to use the WebCompanion and Revolution's internet library to trigger FMPro-scripts, emulate clicking on buttons etc. Here's a link to an interesting post on the subject by Peter Reid I found in the use-revolution archives : http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-May/004744.html As always, you can dig around the archives of the use-revolution list, either via Google : http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com Or via the recently added search at Mindlube Software : http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
