RE: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Maybe they were not lost. Read this post http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-Decembe r/026820.html Which, BTW, I don't think runrev ever responded to. Ken, do you know if this that particular bugzilla problem is fixed in the current setup? No, it is the same, Alex. My Bugs only returns NEW, ASSIGNED or REOPENED bugs. This is something we ought to do for the next update of Bugzilla, though, and something I can easily add to RevZilla (which I need to update to accommodate the new status and resolutions). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Ken- sorry I shouldn't judge your circumstances. If you need a computer tutor you need a computer tutor! -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
- It does take more time per bug. - Last time I spend 2 hours entering a nice description for just 3 bugs and all got lost. I spend that much time posting to this list every week. I'm sorry you lost 2 hours, but you did it as part of the process of getting your individual bug reports submitted. Not such a bad deal. NEVER AGAIN. Im doing this on my personal time and money investment and it's not worth my time or ROI. I know this is not the right thing to do but Im wasting enough time working around bugs that shouldn't be there. When these get solved, and the IDE is smooth I'll consider it... Then you should have evaluated the latest version of Rev before choosing it for a valuable project. It is not always wise to use the latest version of everything if your money is on the line. If you are so certain that the old Metacard IDE is better, use it. I sympathize with wasting time on your own penny. But in a community where many people spend hours every week contributing and helping and bug hunting, to sound off about your 2 hours in BugZilla and your 1 day slippage in releasing a stack, it rings very hollow with me. I'm sure in your Supercard and HC days, you lost a day somewhere when your stacks got corrupted, for example. Rev ain't perfect, but you can't shake a stick at it's productivity just because you found some geometry bugs. As for our enterprise license, I dare not put RR in our production network! It's that bad! Because the IDE has bugs? The engine is identical to MetaCard's. If geometry manager is your headache, maybe it's not ready for your needs. And maybe there are more workarounds. And maybe the bugs would be fixed by now if you hadn't been too stubborn to re-enter them in BugZilla a long time ago. There would be twice as many issues which I dont have in MC. It's been running so smoothly for the past 2 years that Scott has heard from me once (partly thanks to my own script editor)! ;) Then why don't you either stick with what was working, or actually help make Rev better in a constructive fashion? I feel like everyday is a battle to get things working in RR... I like the features but I dont appreciate it's quality. Then join the process of helping improve it. That's a pretty unique empowerment that you won't find with many major tools. If you don't have time to contribute to the community, why should it jump to support you above and beyond others? - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Because unless it's bundled it will still need to be downloaded, and if one needs to download and install something it could just as well provide multiple window, menus, and other options not possible in a browser. Look at the number of plugins in '98, and how few are left today. Bundling is the advantage of plugins. Without bundling, an engine's an engine It's not such a black and white issue. Nor is it theoretical. SuperCard had a plugin. Aside from some novelty use it was never popular even at sites with a heavy SC install. Like most companies that have ever made a plugin, they don't bother anymore. You are talking about average-joe-consumer out there with Windows 98, and generalizing that to say there is no advantage to browser plugins, period. I disagree. You have the sum of your experience which leads to your opinions, I have mine. Disagreement from time to time is a healthy indicator of active minds. Look at IT departments that ghost their systems for rollouts. No downloading of plugins required. In fact downloading may not be allowed. In fact- public www access may not even be allowed! Corporations are strange places. Indeed, especially those whose IT department can ghost a browser installation yet not be able to include a helper app with it. ;) I never said a plugin was completely useless. I only said that it offers no significant advantage over what can be done right now. Even if a plugin could somehow do everything a helper app can, the helper app still has one advantage to solving real-world problems today: it exists. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are all my fields and group resized correctly? NOT. I going to have to resize and reset all geometry again... If the GM annoys, choosing never to be annoyed again is an option that takes only one line per resized control. The resizeStack message is a powerful thing, well worth working with directly. It gives you total control over layout with no ambiguity and less overhead. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There would be twice as many issues which I dont have in MC. It's been running so smoothly for the past 2 years that Scott has heard from me once (partly thanks to my own script editor)! ;) I don't use much of either IDE. MC was unattractive and limited, so like you I wrote a lot of my own tools. When Rev came along it had more going on between the VM and me than I prefer, so I just kept using my stuff. So that's the part I don't get: the VM is powerful enough to support three IDEs and an unknown number of additional tools folks have crafted for themselves. We can pick and choose the combinations we prefer, so why do you choose combinations you do not prefer? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Jacque- Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 6:07:01 PM, you wrote: JLG There is really no legitimate sign for that. I chose to use a gradually JLG drooping index finger. The entire audience, both hearing and deaf, never I've always found one of the joys of ASL to be that it's not a literally verbatim translation. For example, the sign for coffee conveys a whole context of nuances that no single word in any written or spoken language could. That drooping index finger was a brilliant touch... er... well, there's no way out of that pun, is there? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
On 12/02/2004 09:24:39 AM use-revolution-bounces wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are all my fields and group resized correctly? NOT. I going to have to resize and reset all geometry again... If the GM annoys, choosing never to be annoyed again is an option that takes only one line per resized control. The resizeStack message is a powerful thing, well worth working with directly. It gives you total control over layout with no ambiguity and less overhead. True, but it's a nice feature that I would have hoped was really solid. You know how much time it takes to write those resizestack routines and how much time each new object takes to add... GM is nice. Just dont hit the zoom box button... BTW duplicating objects also creates problems of its own... Using the Align Objects palette will really screw things up... Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Brian, Then you should have evaluated the latest version of Rev before choosing it for a valuable project. It is not always wise to use the latest version of everything if your money is on the line. If you are so certain that the old Metacard IDE is better, use it. I did that. That why I decided not to upgrade to RR at work. This is not a valuable project, it's just a plain simple vanila browser. Naturally, since I needed a home license the only choice I had was RR Studio. I sympathize with wasting time on your own penny. But in a community where many people spend hours every week contributing and helping and bug hunting, to sound off about your 2 hours in BugZilla and your 1 day slippage in releasing a stack, it rings very hollow with me. I'm sure in your Supercard and HC days, you lost a day somewhere when your stacks got corrupted, for example. Rev ain't perfect, but you can't shake a stick at it's productivity just because you found some geometry bugs. If I had this geometry bug hit my Migration tool, it would take at least one whole week to resize everything... But I have backups, I have mirrors, I have RDFs, I have every fool proof feature built-in in production at work. MC is for work, RR is for fun IMOHO. Dont take me wrong. RR is capable but with the GUI bugs, I'd rather not try. I've seen how RR changes scripts without asking, the debugger doesn't update variable watcher values, and that's way too much already... As for our enterprise license, I dare not put RR in our production network! It's that bad! Because the IDE has bugs? The engine is identical to MetaCard's. If geometry manager is your headache, maybe it's not ready for your needs. And maybe there are more workarounds. And maybe the bugs would be fixed by now if you hadn't been too stubborn to re-enter them in BugZilla a long time ago. You can't negate that the IDE doesn't have bugs! ;) But I dont see bugs in MC2.51, I just see them in RR... Im mean the IDE's GUI though. Im not stubborn regarding bug entry. Im squeezed for my personal time and research. If this was for work, I wouldn't mind taking my sweet time to entry those bugs in a clear description for all it's worth. Scott knows this. There would be twice as many issues which I dont have in MC. It's been running so smoothly for the past 2 years that Scott has heard from me once (partly thanks to my own script editor)! ;) Then why don't you either stick with what was working, or actually help make Rev better in a constructive fashion? replacetext was working in MC, it doesn't in RR... It does in the msg not in the scripts! Resizing a group in MC works, not in RR... Is this for real? And the geometry mgr is also acting up on this group with the zoom feature... I'd like to help, seriously, but it's not on my private time for a stupid stack that it's gonna happen. I feel like everyday is a battle to get things working in RR... I like the features but I dont appreciate it's quality. Then join the process of helping improve it. That's a pretty unique empowerment that you won't find with many major tools. If you don't have time to contribute to the community, why should it jump to support you above and beyond others? Like I said, I bought the studio for fun and personal development. I do want to improve it (like for a super script editor and adding XOS objects to the environment (save another 90% time development) but there is little motivation or need for this right now. So be it... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
I could rewrite the geometry manager if I had time to waste... I paid for an IDE, it would be stupid to rewrite the wheel... I did that for the MC Script editor and other than my personal use, I never got much demand. Im actually considering getting out of computers but cars have the same problems and so do sponsors ;) I'm not refuting and problems, but I went back to your original lists and counted the responses you've gotten so far. By my count, you had 7 geometry-related bugs. I offered 3 workarounds, each of which is only a little nuisance, and none of which leave you with a runtime problem. Chipp seemed to offer a solution to remedy your window zooming problems. The remaining two or three look I couldn't reproduce and/or seemed to have possible workarounds that I couldn't test without first simulating the problem. It's only been 3 hours since your post, and it seems we might get through all of the geometry problems with little lasting effects and a bunch of recipes to get them fixed. Let's keep truckin' and not just resign ourselves to completely scrapping it and never getting it fixed! If we can get a recipe and a probable solution to all 7, I'd be happy to do the BugZilla piece myself. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time! in brief....
Hello everyone I've cooled down from my morning meltdown and am mindmelting my zen modules into my logic/temper fuse box to avoid this hassle and go forward. I would like to apoligize for my temper and would also like to thank everyone for defusing me... All your suggestions are not unimportant. They are part of the IDE's and its GUI's work in progress. It's true there's always a workaround. And as Intel's CEO Andy Grove said, complacency is the enemy of progress (not his exact words). But it shows how much depending on any feature can put you in a very hard and narrow box. RR is considerably more complex than MC and surely any of us still using MC have made it equaly as complex in our own environments. Bottom line is that any feature can break another! One thing that is true though is that many of the pesky bugs could be fixed in minutes. Yes independently of the IDE hard-code engine. One proposal would be for RR to deliver smaller-releases with bug fixes... The problem is that many of these bugs concern a substack here or there... That's why I was really happy with MC and making incremental builds for the Script Editor. Could this be a solution? Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug Fix Releases?
One proposal would be for RR to deliver smaller-releases with bug fixes... The problem is that many of these bugs concern a substack here or there... That's why I was really happy with MC and making incremental builds for the Script Editor. Could this be a solution? I'd second that. More dot versions might be happily accepted by a lot of users. Is there a major headache / reason against it for RunRev? Of course, if we had a CVS system, they could allow anonymous access for those that needed bleeding-edge builds =). - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Thanks Chipp! shouldn't set the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect be a default? I'll check the altPlugin - sounds sweet... Im still working on the script editor for RR but Im really strained for time... And XOS is still in the works with some awesome features to come... If the day had 48 hours, I'd be happy... ;) -=- Xavier Bury Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/04 10:03 AM Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time! . Xavier, I, too, am sorry you're having so many problems. Couple points to note: The Geometry Manager, while slick, has some 'getting used to' in using it. I, like Richard, just use the resizeStack command. I feel the same about the Animation palette. The reason why when you expand a window it doesn't go full-screen is because RR resets the windowBoudingRect to an area inside the IDE. You can of course overide it by entering into the msg: set the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect The scrolling breakpoint dot is a known problem. Hopefully, the script editor/debugger will be rewritten soon. There's talk about making it separate windows again, though don't know what will be. Here may be a great place you can contribute as you've spent quite some time in the script editor yourself! Check out: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/about.htm for my altPlugins. It's a resizable toolbar which is easily added to. You can add your own stacks and plugins to do lots of stuff the IDE doesn't do. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: English-like communications adventure with good man UDI
--- erik hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the code in the code in MakeSMF.rev proprietary? Sorry, I didn't understand a meaning well. I want you to say by different expression again. A thing of specification of note-string(Cq Eq..) is one part of HyperTalk. I expanded it originally. I have not seen it it being used besides HyperCard. All the rights of a script code of makeSMF abandon it. You remodel it to like it and can use it. == help! i am trying to communicate to UDI that his stacks (downloaded from RunRev.com) are dehilited in my Open Stack... place. this is in the development IDE(?). how do you distinguish a standalone/distribution stack from a normal stack? if a person is willing to share the code, then why make it a standalone? thanks, Erik Hi Erik, I'm assuming you have a Mac, and that when you try to open the makeSMF.rev stack, it is grayed out in the Open dialog box, and you can't select it. This is probably caused by a lack of Type and Creator codes in the file (this happens when a file comes from a PC) - you can either drop the stack's icon onto the Revolution icon _after_ you've started Revolution ; Revolution should open it, and then you can save it so that it remembers being a Revolution doc. - or you can use Sarah Reichelt's droplet, which you can download from the Rev Contributions section ; direct link : http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/developerdownloads/Rev%20droplet.sit And although I can't speak for UDI, I interpret his reply as : I made this based on the way you play sounds in HyperCard, and placed the source doe in the public domain, so if you want to customise it, go ahead. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mysqldump --xml Rev Unicode [was: XML tree-view as a database frontend in Rev?]
On Feb 11, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Alex Rice wrote: Anyways that's not exactly what you were asking. I don't think I asked the right thing either... :) There's an easy way to get the database content as an xml tree -- using mysqldump. But here I'm encountering a Unicode difficulty again... I use the shell of /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqldump -u root --xml xmlprep to retrieve the xmldump of my database. The database and the mysqldump are utf8, my stack's main font is set to Lucida Grande, Unicode, yet I see no way of displaying the dump properly, let alone parsing it etc... put the shell of /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqldump -u root --xml xmlprep entry into xmldata put xmldata into fld showXMLTree -- displays CJK mumbojumbo (naturally, since the stacks text font is Unicode) put the shell of /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqldump -u root --xml xmlprep entry into xmldata put uniencode(xmldata, utf8) into fld showXMLTree -- displays all the xml tags correctly, but the database content is still mumbojumbo (not CJK though) How should one deal with this? All best, Toma ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Intelligent Agents......
Never heard of Eager but there was a nice back-propagation case-solving AI named HyperX. Might be worth a google... On 12/02/2004 10:37:45 AM use-revolution-bounces wrote: I am in the process of submitting a Master's proposal at the University if Abertay with a view to doing research into intelligent agents for teaching xTalk to teachers.. I am at present looking for a copy of 'Eager', an IA developed for HyperCard Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html ___ --- Great Macintosh Products The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi --- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
itemDelimiter
Hello everybody, I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? If the answer is NO then can someone help me understand how to sift through the html below to just extract the title text and the 2 paragraph texts? I know I can offset(title) field HTML but then what can I do to extract the text after that? It may be obvious but for the life of me I can't 'see' it. Thanks TOm html head titleJust for Today Meditation/title /head BODY TEXT=#00 BGCOLOR=#F8D0B8 LINK=#99 VLINK=#00 ALINK=#FF !--calculate day of the year -- !-- numdays=datediff(d,firstday,now)+1 -- !--display paragraphs-- pOur fantasies and expectations about the future may be so extreme that, on our first date with someone, we find ourselves wondering which lawyer we'll use for the divorce. Almost every experience causes us to remember something from the past or begin projecting into the future. /p !--display paragraphs-- pAt first, it's difficult to stay in the moment. It seems as though our minds won't stop. We have a hard time just enjoying ourselves. Each time we realize that our thoughts are not focused on what's happening right now, we can pray and ask a loving God to help us get out of ourselves. If we regret the past, we make amends by living differently today; if we dread the future, we work on living responsibly today. /p /body/html Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
You've got a couple options (at least): 1) Use regex, see matchText and match on something like text(.*)/text 2) Use offset(), as you imagined, something like: put title into startTag put offset(startTag, theHTML) into startOffset if (startOffset 0) then put offset(endTag, theHTML, startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char startOffset to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theTitle end if end if HTH - Brian I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? If the answer is NO then can someone help me understand how to sift through the html below to just extract the title text and the 2 paragraph texts? I know I can offset(title) field HTML but then what can I do to extract the text after that? It may be obvious but for the life of me I can't 'see' it. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Xavier, et al: 1, So far as I could tell, your 10 bugs are all related to the Rev Dev environment and Rev add-ons (eg: Geometry Manager) to the basic MetaCard framework. 2. I write my own resize stack handler, and I have no problems with geometry at runtime. 3. There is an issue in the AB where one cannot change the relative layers of controls in a group except when editing the group; however I can change the relative layers of a group and a non-grouped control at will. The fault, Dear X-Man, is not in our MetaCard stars but in the Revolutionist wrapper. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
drawer does not open at bottom
Does anyone know for sure if/ that the drawer does not open at bottom of this stack? drawer Text at bottom of this stack aligned to center It only opens at left or right as if I had not specified either like the docs state will happen if you don't. Tom Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Print card snag
Using Rev 2.1.2, OS 10.2.8 I have hit a snag in trying to print a card on letter size paper. The card contains a scrolling list field whose vertical size extends beyond the card. I had expected that the result of printing the card would be at least two pages with all the text of the scrolling field. But such was not the case. Only what is shown on the screen is printed. Can RR print a card with all its information on more than one page? Suggestions/help will be appreciated. The RR card is configured as follows: 1. Stack size: 643,521. Card size: 643,586. Group size 622,564 which encloses all objects. Scrolling list field: 614,500. Note: Scrolling list field vertical size is beyond the vertical size of the card. 2. Card contains only single line fields except one scrolling list field. 3.The top 160 vertical pixels of the card contains the single line fields in various locations. Below this is the scrolling list field. 4. Used the following script in the message box: answer printer (want landscape option because of width of card) print card x (also used print card x from 0,72 to 643,800 ) 5. The print out only encompasses what is shown on the screen on a single page. I expected a second page with the remainder of the text in the scrolling list field. 6. revPrintField is not an option because the top section of the card containing the single line fields are desired. 7. Also tried the above with a scrolling stack instead of a scrolling list field. Had the same result. A similar card in my SuperCard version, using SC's scrolling window, can be made to print all the information on multiple pages. Regards Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~rep.shareware ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Yeah! I want my bugs fixed first :-) Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:14 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: Then join the process of helping improve it. That's a pretty unique empowerment that you won't find with many major tools. If you don't have time to contribute to the community, why should it jump to support you above and beyond others? - Brian Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
Richard, Is there a way to 'see' the scripts generated by the GM?? I would like to learn some of it's tricks to hand script some objects. Thanks Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If the GM annoys, choosing never to be annoyed again is an option that takes only one line per resized control. The resizeStack message is a powerful thing, well worth working with directly. It gives you total control over layout with no ambiguity and less overhead. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Windows Shortcut
Hi Stu, How do you create a Windows Start menu item from within Revolution? I can copy my files from the CD to the users hard drive but now I need to create a Start menu item and optionally a desktop shortcut. Can this be done from within Rev? Yes :-) ... create alias (specialfolderpath(start) / Name of Alias.lnk) to file path to original app... ... !! Dont forget the suffix *.lnk (link) for the alias!!! In the dox - specialfolderpath create alias Hope that helps... Stu Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Brian Is the script below missing a - put /title into endTag? If so then I can get past that part to then try and grasp the next part of it. I am trying to understand it and can't figure it out yet. Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: You've got a couple options (at least): 1) Use regex, see matchText and match on something like text(.*)/text 2) Use offset(), as you imagined, something like: put title into startTag put offset(startTag, theHTML) into startOffset if (startOffset 0) then put offset(endTag, theHTML, startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char startOffset to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theTitle end if end if HTH - Brian I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? If the answer is NO then can someone help me understand how to sift through the html below to just extract the title text and the 2 paragraph texts? I know I can offset(title) field HTML but then what can I do to extract the text after that? It may be obvious but for the life of me I can't 'see' it. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Windows Shortcut
Now this is very cool!!! How would you do this on the Mac too.? Thanks Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 10:50 AM, Klaus Major wrote: How do you create a Windows Start menu item from within Revolution? I can copy my files from the CD to the users hard drive but now I need to create a Start menu item and optionally a desktop shortcut. Can this be done from within Rev? Yes :-) ... create alias (specialfolderpath(start) / Name of Alias.lnk) to file path to original app... ... !! Dont forget the suffix *.lnk (link) for the alias!!! Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Drawers size
To anyone, Also, can I set the size of a drawer to any size? right now it seems it is the same size as my parent stack? Thanks to you all Tom Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Windows Shortcut
Hi Thomas McGrath III, Now this is very cool!!! How would you do this on the Mac too.? Hmm, lemme think... Ah, got it! ...just do the same, but you can omit the suffix :-) Again, speicalfolderpath is the magic word.. There are more specialfolderpath-codes on the webpage of Ken Ray: www.sonsothunder.com Very good hints and tricks availabel there! Here is a good one that i recently found out for the mac: specialfolderpath(dtp) ## = ALT + F, mac-ish for folder :-) Returns the path to folder Desktop Pictures... Thanks You're welcome... Tom Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Yep, good catch. This should be a little more cleaned up: put title into startTag put /title into endTag put offset(startTag, theHTML) into startOffset if (startOffset 0) then put offset(endTag, theHTML, startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char (startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theTitle end if end if Brian Is the script below missing a - put /title into endTag? If so then I can get past that part to then try and grasp the next part of it. I am trying to understand it and can't figure it out yet. Tom ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Drawers size
Hi Thomas McGrath III, To anyone, Also, can I set the size of a drawer to any size? right now it seems it is the same size as my parent stack? Why don't you just test it out and tell us afterwards? ;-) But don't forget the psychological impact that might have on the user!!! I, personally, would probably p... my pants, if the drawer i just pulled out of my commode is obviously BIGGER than the commode itself!!! :-D Thanks to you all Tom Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Thomas McGrath III wrote: back in the day I used the SuperCard plugin in our corporate structure to role out quick easy stacks to departments that just wanted to view an update on info to our software (GUI and other info) in a simple way from a web browser. All they had to do was go to the company site and check it out. But that meant the plugin was custom pre-installed. Pre-installing a helper app could be done just as simply. And since SC had no built-in Internet connectivity it's not like you had an alternative, the plugin was the only way to deliver Internet-connected applets. With a Rev-based helper app you have all the Internet connectivity you'd get in a browser and more, and your choice of having greater security than a browser by using Rev's secureMode, or unbridled power with it off. We found it very useful. Asking them to download a separate file was more than they wanted to do and more than I was allowed to ask of a Vice President. No need for that: your standalone helper app can download stacks on the fly, just as a plugin would and as RevNet does now. Stack files are stack files, the VM is the VM. You need the VM pre-installed to run applets (stack files), so in practical terms it matters little whether you have the VM in a browser's Plugins folder or outside of that folder as a standalone. Also, a big difference is that downloading an app to a hard disk is different than downloading a temp file to a browser. I.E. temp files can be deleted by the browser but another scheme is needed to delete an app from a HD. This is important for propriatary stacks that we don't want staying on a users computer. (Yes, I know we can disable a stack after use etc) This is where Rev has an advantage over SC: in SC you must have a physical project file to run it, whether in a standalone or the (now defunct) plugin. But Rev can run stacks that exist just in memory, true download-n-go, as RevNet does. Again, I'm not saying a browser plugin is completely useless. I'm merely saying that it offers no significant real-world advantage you can't capitalize on right now with the tools in hand today. That's all I'm trying to accomplish here: when you identify a need you can go two ways to solve it, finding a way to satisfy that need today or defining the problem in terms that require things beyond your control and which may never actually come to pass. Choosing the latter is less likely to get results if doing the former can get the job done. When a customer requests a feature it's too easy to fall into reactive mode, where you run off and go implement the feature without asking how it will be used, what problem it will solve. That's the role of task analysis, sometimes critical for arriving at optimal solutions. Taking the what of a customer request without asking for the why puts one at risk of rushing feature afer feature to market, driving up development costs without ever actually nailing the task. If you have a customer asking for a plugin, ask them what they want to accomplish. I'll wager that after a good task analysis is done you can satisfy their needs and then some right now, without needing to put everything on hold waiting for someone else to give you a more limited implementation of the same capabilities. Should Rev decide to make a plugin down the road, your experience in building working systems outside of the browser will empower you to make experienced recommendations on how it gets done. And in the meantime you have clients with solved problems. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Thomas, Here are three functions for pulling tags out: What you might need is one of my Parallel Numerical Lineal Parsers: -- get the title -- put your HTML into tZap -- put PNLPgetElement(title, /title, tZap) into theTitle -- get the paragraphs in two steps -- put getPNLPelements(p, /p, tZap) into theParagraphArray -- put theParagraphArray[1] into parOne -- put theParagraphArray[2] into parTwo You can even get the attributes from this: -- BODY TEXT=#00 BGCOLOR=#F8D0B8 LINK=#99 VLINK=#00 ALINK=#FF -- put PNLPgetElement(body, /body, tZap) into theBody -- put PNLPgetAttribute(TEXT, theBody) into theTEXTAttribute -- put PNLPgetAttribute(BGCOLOR, theBody) into theBGCOLORAttribute function PNLPgetElement tStTag, tEdTag, stngToSch put empty into zapped put the number of chars in tStTag into dChars put offset(tStTag,stngToSch) into tNum1 put offset(tEdTag,stngToSch) into tNum2 if tNum1 1 then return error exit PNLPgetElement end if if tNum2 1 then return error exit PNLPgetElement end if put char (tNum1 + dChars) to (tNum2 - 1) of stngToSch into zapped return zapped end PNLPgetElement -- put getPNLPelements(record, /record, tZap) into theArray function getPNLPelements tStartTag, tEndTag, StringToSearch put empty into tArray put 0 into tStart1 put 0 into tStart2 put 1 into tElementNum put the number of chars in tStartTag into dChars repeat put offset(tStartTag,StringToSearch,tStart1) into tNum1 put (tNum1 + tStart1) into tStart1 if tNum1 1 then exit repeat put offset(tEndTag,StringToSearch,tStart2) into tNum2 put (tNum2 + tStart2) into tStart2 if tNum2 1 then exit repeat --if tNum2 tNum1 then exit repeat put char (tStart1 + dChars) to (tStart2 - 1) of StringToSearch into zapped put zapped into tArray[tElementNum] add 1 to tElementNum end repeat return tArray end getPNLPelements -- put PNLPgetAttribute(name, tZap) into theAttribute function PNLPgetAttribute tAttribute, strngToSearch put empty into zapA put quote into Qx put tAttribute = Qx into tAttributeX put the number of chars in tAttributeX into dChars put offset(tAttributeX,strngToSearch) into tNum1 if tNum1 1 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if put tNum1 + 1 into tNum2 put offset(Qx,strngToSearch,tNum2) into tNum3 put offset(=,strngToSearch,tNum2) into tNum4 if tNum3 1 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if if tNum4 tNum3 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if put char (tNum2 + 1) to (tNum3 - 1) of stngToSch into zapA return zapA end PNLPgetAttribute Mark Brownell P.S. I would love a multi-character delimiter. On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 05:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Hello everybody, I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? If the answer is NO then can someone help me understand how to sift through the html below to just extract the title text and the 2 paragraph texts? I know I can offset(title) field HTML but then what can I do to extract the text after that? It may be obvious but for the life of me I can't 'see' it. Thanks TOm html head titleJust for Today Meditation/title /head BODY TEXT=#00 BGCOLOR=#F8D0B8 LINK=#99 VLINK=#00 ALINK=#FF !--calculate day of the year -- !-- numdays=datediff(d,firstday,now)+1 -- !--display paragraphs-- pOur fantasies and expectations about the future may be so extreme that, on our first date with someone, we find ourselves wondering which lawyer we'll use for the divorce. Almost every experience causes us to remember something from the past or begin projecting into the future. /p !--display paragraphs-- pAt first, it's difficult to stay in the moment. It seems as though our minds won't stop. We have a hard time just enjoying ourselves. Each time we realize that our thoughts are not focused on what's happening right now, we can pray and ask a loving God to help us get out of ourselves. If we regret the past, we make amends by living differently today; if we dread the future, we work on living responsibly today. /p /body/html Thomas J McGrath III ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a particular program (Accordance), instead of being permitted to bring in his own computer at his own expense was given a very very very bottom of the barrel PC gray-box and some Mac emulation software. Now which do you think is going to be more of a challenge to support? But yes, they image everything as well and if education is a market for RunRev on the backend, this would work well enough there too. Maybe we should just get the engine preloaded, or perhaps I don't see why that is any more dangerous than any other engine being installed (.NET, java, etc... they're (in some sense) all very similar)) I did see some information about homestacks being infiltrated by a HyperCard virus, but that seems unlikely to be anymore dangerous than, for example, MS Office or Windows in general. Yours, Chris On Feb 12, 2004, at 1:37 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Because unless it's bundled it will still need to be downloaded, and if one needs to download and install something it could just as well provide multiple window, menus, and other options not possible in a browser. Look at the number of plugins in '98, and how few are left today. Bundling is the advantage of plugins. Without bundling, an engine's an engine It's not such a black and white issue. You are talking about average-joe-consumer out there with Windows 98, and generalizing that to say there is no advantage to browser plugins, period. I disagree. Look at IT departments that ghost their systems for rollouts. No downloading of plugins required. In fact downloading may not be allowed. In fact- public www access may not even be allowed! Corporations are strange places. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Christopher Mitchell wrote: Maybe we should just get the engine preloaded, or perhaps I don't see why that is any more dangerous than any other engine being installed (.NET, java, etc... they're (in some sense) all very similar)) Precisely. And with the current implementation of the secureMode property it's at least as safe: no file I/O, no AppleScript, no shell, no registry access, etc. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print card snag
On Feb 12, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Robert Presender wrote: 6. revPrintField is not an option because the top section of the card containing the single line fields are desired. Robert, print card and print stack don't do any pagination. They snap an image of the card and send it to the printer, once per card. revPrintField does do pagination. If you can't use revPrintField for some reason, you can also open the revPrintField script and try to figure out what it's doing. It's difficult to understand, but the printing handlers in runrev are not locked. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Improving OS X's x-play file copying
When copying files from OS X to a mounted Win volume, OS X insists on creating metadata files for each file and folder I copy (the ones starting with .). Is there a checkbox somewhere labeled Please stop being oh so very clever and instead only copy the files I'm telling you to copy without also creating a bunch of stuff I neither asked for nor need, or the equivalent? TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print card snag
revPrintField does do pagination. If you want more than that, Robert, check out revPrintText: multi-line header and footer as well as pagination. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
I'm not sure about more than one character being a delimiter, however you could use the Replace function first to substitute the desired phrase with a delimiter character such as tab before selecting items. Hello everybody, I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print card snag
On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: revPrintField does do pagination. If you want more than that, Robert, check out revPrintText: multi-line header and footer as well as pagination. Good point - and if I remember correctly, revPrintField just calls revPrintText with bunch of empty parameters. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Improving OS X's x-play file copying
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: When copying files from OS X to a mounted Win volume, OS X insists on creating metadata files for each file and folder I copy (the ones starting with .). Is there a checkbox somewhere labeled Please stop being oh so very clever and instead only copy the files I'm telling you to copy without also creating a bunch of stuff I neither asked for nor need, or the equivalent? I've never seen one. I believe it does this to maintain the original file associations, but I've never seen a way to shut it off. As I'm sure you know, it also creates those most excellent .ds_store files within folders. I've had to explain to many a Windows client to ignore those files. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Funny you should mention this... This is a project on my way-back burner, to teach some simple ASL to deaf kids using a Mr. Potatohead metaphor... Judy On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: -- I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Richard Gaskin's Cryptography example is now a tutorial stack...
You can find it at the bottom of the page: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a particular program (Accordance), instead of being permitted to bring in his own computer at his own expense was given a very very very bottom of the barrel PC gray-box and some Mac emulation software. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hypercard virus
Ha ha the hypercard 'virus' -- written in Hypertalk!! there hasn't been a real mac virus of any kind for about 6 or 7 years... I don't bother with any anti-virus software...I've got enough problems with spam clogs I did see some information about homestacks being infiltrated by a HyperCard virus, but that seems unlikely to be anymore dangerous than, for example, MS Office or Windows in general. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Tom, --- sure you have multiple answers by now but I'm just now having a minute --- Also no sleep last night so long winded.. Will refrain in future but --- I've done this already so here goes... Btw Untested While I hesitate to give scripting advice as I am just relearning, and prone to really dumb mistakes ... I'm working through a similar thing. The routine (corrected) that Brian has is basically the way I do it. There are a couple of things to consider when you are looking for repeating types of info like all the paragraphs p /p = = = = = = = The first is to carefully keep track of where you are looking by resetting the startOffset after you have found an instance of what you are looking for so you don't find the same one again again... -- Make sure we start at the beginning when looking for a particular tag -- and that our end starts past our start Put 0 into startOffset Put 1 into endOffset -- Substitute whatever tags you are looking for for the title and /title -- For example p and /p put title into startTag put /title into endTag -- Add a loop to keep going... -- Here (endOffset = 0) flags having found the last tag Repeat while (endOffset is not 0) -- NOTE: Added startOffset into the offset(..) put offset(startTag, theHTML, startOffset) into startOffset if (startOffset 0) then put offset(endTag, theHTML, startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char (startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theText end if -- Then reset the starting point based on how far you've gone -- and starting our search from that point on put startOffset + endOffset into startOffset end if -- Here do what you want with theText since you -- are putting this in a loop. For example: put * return theText after theAnswer end repeat = = = = = = = Another approach is to be less careful about the startOffset and just blow away the text you've already been through... This means your offset lines can be a little simpler but you need a separate place to store the text.. Not sure if this is an advantage but it makes looking at the HTML text easier cuz there's less of it as you go -- Make sure we make a copy of our HTML text Put theHTML into aSafeCopyoftheHTML -- Substitute whatever tags you are looking for for the title and /title -- For example p and /p put title into startTag put /title into endTag -- Make sure your endTag exists and set up loop Put Offset(endTag, theHTML ) into endOffset -- Add a loop to keep going... Using endOffset -- as a flag having found the last tag Repeat while (endOffset is not 0) put offset(startTag, theHTML ) into startOffset put offset(endTag, theHTML , startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char (startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theText end if -- Now clean up theHTML by getting rid of what you've used delete char 1 to endOffset + length(endTag) of theHTML -- Here do what you want with theText since you -- are putting this in a loop. For example: put * return theText after theAnswer end repeat = = = = = Finally... Seems like it could/should be broken into a separate function usage: put grabText(theHTML,p,/p,All) into theParagraphs Function grabText theHTML, startTag, endTag, oneOrAll Put 0 into startOffset Put 1 into endOffset Put 0 into numFound Put empty into theFoundtext Repeat while (endOffset is not 0) put offset(startTag, theHTML, startOffset) into startOffset if (startOffset 0) then put offset(endTag, theHTML, startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) into endOffset if (endOffset 0) then put char (startOffset + length(startTag) - 1) to (startOffset + endOffset - 1) of theHTML into theText put startOffset + endOffset into startOffset end if end if -- Here is the stuff added for the return info -- in this case using items to store the results If numFound 0 then put theText into item numFound of theFoundText end repeat return theFoundText End grabText ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
On Feb 12, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: You've got a couple options (at least): 1) Use regex, see matchText and match on something like text(.*)/text 2) Use offset(), as you imagined, something like: Also, if the data source is under your control, you can produce XHTML (html but stricter), and then treat it as XML and use revXML* functions. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
But it's under Linux/PPC! If I had a Power PC processor, why bother, I'd just run Mac OS. Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting HyperCard stacks to Revolution on a Windows machine, it is nice to be able to run HyperCard in OS 8.1 so I can visually see the differences. Of course Apple would not be at all happy if OS X were being emulated. ~Roger Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: emulators
OK, Ok, if one wants to go through hoops to use this stuff. I just know I have old macs lying around that I can't give away that would be easier to use than buying into this emulator package, ROM cards, etc. And it's no good for OSX. I was wrong before... pre OS 9 software is really dead; Apple's making sure it is going away fast. And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting HyperCard stacks to Revolution on a Windows machine, it is nice to be able to run HyperCard in OS 8.1 so I can visually see the differences. Of course Apple would not be at all happy if OS X were being emulated. ~Roger Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Actually, there is... I think it's called something like Basilisk... Judy On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a particular program (Accordance), instead of being permitted to bring in his own computer at his own expense was given a very very very bottom of the barrel PC gray-box and some Mac emulation software. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Alex, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:15:36 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] I had a linguistics prof. in college who came to lecture extremely excited one day because he had seen a performance of _Jabberwocky_ in ASL. I can't even to begin to imagine... On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: - Yeow! Me either. Boggles the mind... - I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Ken- sorry I shouldn't judge your circumstances. If you need a computer tutor you need a computer tutor! - Well, that's how it is right now. Never can tell down the road, though. There was a teacher here once, but I think she left town. About 15 years ago there was a HyperCard program that used drawings, like most manuals I've seen, but it was still a little hard to follow, and IIRC, no decent testing. What might be cool is a series QT clips, words, phrases, and sentences. I thought a program like that might be somewhere on Jacque's trail. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
At 1:50 PM -0600 2/12/04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. I've seen an AMESLAN tutorial - in fact I think it was a HyperCard stack! - with pictures. Just the most basic of signs, though. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 10 bugs in 2 minutes time!
At 10:46 AM -0500 2/12/04, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Is there a way to 'see' the scripts generated by the GM?? I would like to learn some of it's tricks to hand script some objects. The Geometry Manager doesn't exactly generate scripts. Instead, it sets custom properties on objects that have geometry, then uses a resizeStack handler in a backscript to change object sizes and placement based on the GM custom properties. As Richard says, you can take a look at the backscript for ideas: click the Backscripts button in the message box (second button from the right), and make sure the Show Revolution UI checkbox at the bottom is checked. If you double-click revGeometryBack you'll see that backscript. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: emulators
Stay away from emulators inc. (emulators.com) and any softmac product. They are notorius for ripping off the community, the author is the equilvent of Dr. Derek Smart :D Although, he does have fusion PC, purchased from a leading company in macintosh emulation, it's free and a hundred times better than softmac. Although it is a dos application Otherwise, there is a new PowerPC emulator around, it's only in early stages but you are able to run a few things. It requires linux and can be found on source forge, I'm not on my computer at the moment and cant think of the name I'm sure it runs OS 9, but I don't think it runs 10/X... Since it's only in alpha stages thats to be expected, but if you were ever tracking the mac emulation scene, the power pc emulator was promised 5 years ago.. I'm just so glad that it's finally here, abit incomplete but still!! :D From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: emulators Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:42:27 -0800 OK, Ok, if one wants to go through hoops to use this stuff. I just know I have old macs lying around that I can't give away that would be easier to use than buying into this emulator package, ROM cards, etc. And it's no good for OSX. I was wrong before... pre OS 9 software is really dead; Apple's making sure it is going away fast. And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting HyperCard stacks to Revolution on a Windows machine, it is nice to be able to run HyperCard in OS 8.1 so I can visually see the differences. Of course Apple would not be at all happy if OS X were being emulated. ~Roger Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac emulation
One of the more reliable emulators is vMac http://www.vmac.org/. Here's a description: vMac is a Macintosh emulator that currently emulates a Motorola 68000 based Apple Macintosh Plus. A ROM image from a Plus is required, we plan to implement other 68000 machines, such as SEs and II series. Currently System 7.5.5 is the latest vMac can boot, which is the latest System a real MacPlus can boot. vMac runs in black an white, a larger screen and color is the next thing we are working on. That's right, vMac currently works and boots! All you need is a ROM image from a MacPlus (utilities and directions provided), or a MacPlus ROM set on a Gemulator ROM board (for Windows and UNIX ports) from Emulators Inc. and your Windows, DOS, UNIX, OS/2, or NeXT machine can run vMac! vMac for OS X is available here: http://www.bannister.org/software/vmac.htm I use it all the time to run old software that won't work even in Classic. -- John ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
I don't know where the original message went to this, but there is emulation software that emulates a 68k environment, so installing a classic system would work. I know this, because I've installed system 8 on my p4 laptop before. Was it fun? no, but it worked. Basilisk ][. enjoy all ye daring! http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bauec002/B2Main.html And it wasn't a requirement for a class, but for his office machine, which makes even less sense. Yours, Chris On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: But it's under Linux/PPC! If I had a Power PC processor, why bother, I'd just run Mac OS. Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Styled text challenge...
xbury.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:39:48 +0100:
Other than parsing completely out the html code, you would assume that
set the RTFText of fld text to the HTMLText of fld html
converts html to styled text... BUT IT DOESN'T!
There doesn't seem to be any other language features for this purpose.
And then a little later (18:17:44 +0100):
I'm not sure if i was clear,
I want to convert HTML text in fld HTML to RTF in fld TEXT
But I'm practically giving up, this is too much hassle, ...
I have an EXTREMELY simple one-card HTML - Styled text convertor stack
that works like this:
2 fields: Styled Text HTML
2 buttons: Styled text - HTML HTML - Styled text
Script of button Styled text - HTML:
on mouseUp
put the htmlText of fld Styled Text into fld HTML
end mouseUp
Script of button HTML - Styled text:
on mouseUp
set the htmlText of fld Styled Text to fld HTML
end mouseUp
Isn't this second button doing what you want?
I assume you don't want the RTF CODE (e.g.
{\rtf1\mac\ansicpg1\cocoartf102
{\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fcharset77 Verdana-Bold;\f1\fswiss\fcharset77
ArialMT;\f2\fnil\fcharset77 Verdana;
}
...etc. etc. }
just the HTML code to DISPLAY as it's meant to (except for stuff like
tables).
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 116
Hi Richmond, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:37:45 -0500 From: Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Intelligent Agents.. I am in the process of submitting a Master's proposal at the University if Abertay with a view to doing research into intelligent agents for teaching xTalk to teachers.. --- Interesting idea...have you looked at the PAN: http://pan.uqam.ca/cgi-bin/usemod/wiki.pl?HomePage --- I am at present looking for a copy of 'Eager', an IA developed for HyperCard --- At the above site (have fun) there is a page you might miss containing a demo of expert systems: http://pan.uqam.ca/cgi-bin/usemod/wiki.pl?Stacks_-_AI ...Also, somewhere in there is a reference to some stuff done with CLIPS-like algorithms in Rev, but I haven't found them (I notice some projects exist such that you'd never guess what they are by their name ;-)) http://www.ghg.net/clips/WhatIsCLIPS.html ...used by NASA and other government agencies since the '80's. Also, although it's geared to building courseware without 'programming' skills (meaning writing code I presume), there isn't any reason Preceptor Tools couldn't be use to teach code, if you look it over: http://www.runrev.com/company/pressreleases/20.html Putting it all together for a Master's Thesis has all the earmarks of a truly challenging project. Let us know what you come up with. Speaking of that, I think I'll post my own dream again. All the best, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac emulation
This is kind of cool. A Mac emulator for the Zaurus handheld! http://www.mmhart.com/macz.htm -James Dr.John R.Vokey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/04 05:39 PM Please respond to How to use Revolution To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Mac emulation One of the more reliable emulators is vMac http://www.vmac.org/. Here's a description: vMac is a Macintosh emulator that currently emulates a Motorola 68000 based Apple Macintosh Plus. A ROM image from a Plus is required, we plan to implement other 68000 machines, such as SEs and II series. Currently System 7.5.5 is the latest vMac can boot, which is the latest System a real MacPlus can boot. vMac runs in black an white, a larger screen and color is the next thing we are working on. That's right, vMac currently works and boots! All you need is a ROM image from a MacPlus (utilities and directions provided), or a MacPlus ROM set on a Gemulator ROM board (for Windows and UNIX ports) from Emulators Inc. and your Windows, DOS, UNIX, OS/2, or NeXT machine can run vMac! vMac for OS X is available here: http://www.bannister.org/software/vmac.htm I use it all the time to run old software that won't work even in Classic. -- John ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Exocet dreams; not the missile but...
Howdy , I just thought I'd post this for kicks. Regardless of programming IDEs and language models (although Rev may well be one of the best for it), here is my dream: Personally, someday I want to build a complete set of exocet programming tools with a comprehensive bot which can be used by the disabled to create personalized software tools to meet their own needs for creating yet more tools. The idea is to keep the thing homing in on a user's individual needs and offering possible solutions in the form of preprogrammed startup objects and modules they can assemble, reassemble, and modify, with as little outside help as possible. With these basics it would hopefully open up the world to their creativity, productivity, and independence like never before. If I were headed for a degree, that would be my thesis model, but I may be getting too old for that, so I'll just chip away at it a little at a time 'til I can't anymore. All the best Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Richard, This is logic that I can understand. I see what you are saying now and your other point about 'if' a plugin were ever developed down the road I would be in a position to re-use my experiences to empower myself. I guess that really is the point. Since I have not implemented your/Rev's approach, I don't have enough knowledge to judge whether or not I can get what I want done NOW with what we have. So if i were to start down this road I might find other ways around what I was used to doing and might even find it more useful. :-) Thanks, Almost a full convert, Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's all I'm trying to accomplish here: when you identify a need you can go two ways to solve it, finding a way to satisfy that need today or defining the problem in terms that require things beyond your control and which may never actually come to pass. Choosing the latter is less likely to get results if doing the former can get the job done. Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Drawers size
Klaus, I wasn't in the commode but, the way I went about it did not seem to work. So I was hoping that some one with a bit more experience than me had done it. I don't need someone to write the damn thing for me, just to tell me it's doable and maybe a clue or two. Then I will pursue it to the full extents of my abilities. Thank you Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Thomas McGrath III, To anyone, Also, can I set the size of a drawer to any size? right now it seems it is the same size as my parent stack? Why don't you just test it out and tell us afterwards? ;-) But don't forget the psychological impact that might have on the user!!! I, personally, would probably p... my pants, if the drawer i just pulled out of my commode is obviously BIGGER than the commode itself!!! :-D Thanks to you all Tom Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Mark, Wow, this is more than I expected. Thank you. These functions seem to be the ticket for me. I will play with them and try to understand them and report back. Thanks again, Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Mark Brownell wrote: Thomas, Here are three functions for pulling tags out: What you might need is one of my Parallel Numerical Lineal Parsers: -- get the title -- put your HTML into tZap -- put PNLPgetElement(title, /title, tZap) into theTitle -- get the paragraphs in two steps -- put getPNLPelements(p, /p, tZap) into theParagraphArray -- put theParagraphArray[1] into parOne -- put theParagraphArray[2] into parTwo You can even get the attributes from this: -- BODY TEXT=#00 BGCOLOR=#F8D0B8 LINK=#99 VLINK=#00 ALINK=#FF -- put PNLPgetElement(body, /body, tZap) into theBody -- put PNLPgetAttribute(TEXT, theBody) into theTEXTAttribute -- put PNLPgetAttribute(BGCOLOR, theBody) into theBGCOLORAttribute function PNLPgetElement tStTag, tEdTag, stngToSch put empty into zapped put the number of chars in tStTag into dChars put offset(tStTag,stngToSch) into tNum1 put offset(tEdTag,stngToSch) into tNum2 if tNum1 1 then return error exit PNLPgetElement end if if tNum2 1 then return error exit PNLPgetElement end if put char (tNum1 + dChars) to (tNum2 - 1) of stngToSch into zapped return zapped end PNLPgetElement -- put getPNLPelements(record, /record, tZap) into theArray function getPNLPelements tStartTag, tEndTag, StringToSearch put empty into tArray put 0 into tStart1 put 0 into tStart2 put 1 into tElementNum put the number of chars in tStartTag into dChars repeat put offset(tStartTag,StringToSearch,tStart1) into tNum1 put (tNum1 + tStart1) into tStart1 if tNum1 1 then exit repeat put offset(tEndTag,StringToSearch,tStart2) into tNum2 put (tNum2 + tStart2) into tStart2 if tNum2 1 then exit repeat --if tNum2 tNum1 then exit repeat put char (tStart1 + dChars) to (tStart2 - 1) of StringToSearch into zapped put zapped into tArray[tElementNum] add 1 to tElementNum end repeat return tArray end getPNLPelements -- put PNLPgetAttribute(name, tZap) into theAttribute function PNLPgetAttribute tAttribute, strngToSearch put empty into zapA put quote into Qx put tAttribute = Qx into tAttributeX put the number of chars in tAttributeX into dChars put offset(tAttributeX,strngToSearch) into tNum1 if tNum1 1 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if put tNum1 + 1 into tNum2 put offset(Qx,strngToSearch,tNum2) into tNum3 put offset(=,strngToSearch,tNum2) into tNum4 if tNum3 1 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if if tNum4 tNum3 then return error exit PNLPgetAttribute end if put char (tNum2 + 1) to (tNum3 - 1) of stngToSch into zapA return zapA end PNLPgetAttribute Mark Brownell P.S. I would love a multi-character delimiter. On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 05:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Hello everybody, I was wondering if the itemDelimiter can be more than one character? I mean instead of , or : can it be !--display paragraphs-- ? If the answer is NO then can someone help me understand how to sift through the html below to just extract the title text and the 2 paragraph texts? I know I can offset(title) field HTML but then what can I do to extract the text after that? It may be obvious but for the life of me I can't 'see' it. Thanks TOm html head titleJust for Today Meditation/title /head BODY TEXT=#00 BGCOLOR=#F8D0B8 LINK=#99 VLINK=#00 ALINK=#FF !--calculate day of the year -- !-- numdays=datediff(d,firstday,now)+1 -- !--display paragraphs-- pOur fantasies and expectations about the future may be so extreme that, on our first date with someone, we find ourselves wondering which lawyer we'll use for the divorce. Almost every experience causes us to remember something from the past or begin projecting into the future. /p !--display paragraphs-- pAt first, it's difficult to stay in the moment. It seems as though our minds won't stop. We have a hard time just enjoying ourselves. Each time we realize that our thoughts are not focused on what's happening right now, we can pray and ask a loving God to help us get out of ourselves. If we regret the past, we make amends by living differently today; if we dread the future, we work on living responsibly today. /p /body/html Thomas J McGrath III ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
Thomas McGrath III wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's all I'm trying to accomplish here: when you identify a need you can go two ways to solve it, finding a way to satisfy that need today or defining the problem in terms that require things beyond your control and which may never actually come to pass. Choosing the latter is less likely to get results if doing the former can get the job done. This is logic that I can understand. I see what you are saying now and your other point about 'if' a plugin were ever developed down the road I would be in a position to re-use my experiences to empower myself. Not necessarilly that you wouldn't have the experience -- lord knows that with a mind like yours there's no end to what you could accomplish. It's more of an encouragement to jump into the now: there's so much that can be done for solving real-world problems with Rev as it is today that it just seems much more exciting than holding off for a future possibility. And when it comes to browser plugins, I haven't met a client yet whose eyes don't light up when I describe the things we can do beyond the browser. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Jacque, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:50:14 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. There once was a HC stack with drawings similar to most workbooks I've seen. Not well known, but I borrowed disks and had it on a Mac SE at work (though no one else knew it) back in '89. I found it a little difficult to work with, so I kind of gave up when my deaf tutor left the hill (Lake Tahoe). I'm not asking you to do it, I just wanted to know. Seems relatively straightforward. So what would it take to map out a syllabus, sit down in front of an iSight and spend 5-10 minutes or so a day on it, just collecting clips? Not Jabberwocky, though ;-) Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed a finger accessing a touchtone phone that came with Quicktime VR toolkit 1.0 Maybe a bunch of image captures of the pieces(hand configurations) that make up a sign and then piece them together. Of course I just thought about the arm movements darn... Well you might be able to do that too. I would weigh that against the video method and see which would take more time/money/effort. Oh well tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 2:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 03:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Mark, Wow, this is more than I expected. Thank you. These functions seem to be the ticket for me. I will play with them and try to understand them and report back. Thanks again, Tom You're welcome. If you have troubles determining how many paragraphs there are in a paragraph array then try this: --- put 1 into countNum repeat put theParagraphArray[countNum] into zap if zap = empty then put (countNum - 1) into timesP exit repeat end if add 1 to countNum end repeat -- timesP now contains the number of p.../p sets that where found. --- Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
Brian, Actually I don't have control over it. It is produced as an .asp file and i have never worked with them before. What i am doing is a floating window that will go online daily and get the resulting html generated (daily) from their website and display it in that window. So they can have a daily message in a desktop app that reflects what they generate on their website. I imagine a bubble or blurb that has the date/time and the title of the daily affirmation and when the mouse moves over the blurb then a drawer/palette will drop down with the text/paragraphs displayed in a scrolling field. Features may include changing the window shape to predefined shapes and having a color theme to match. Maybe revSpeak the text and maybe a daily/weekly downloaded animated gif or something to make the blurb more interesting. Thanks Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: You've got a couple options (at least): 1) Use regex, see matchText and match on something like text(.*)/text 2) Use offset(), as you imagined, something like: Also, if the data source is under your control, you can produce XHTML (html but stricter), and then treat it as XML and use revXML* functions. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exocet dreams; not the missile but...
Ken, You know I applaud your efforts already with working with the disabled on 'your little island'. I too find it to be the most rewarding thin that I do, aside from maybe my art work which I use to open everyones eyes to the beauty and magnificance around us. This is a very interesting idea. I am curious, what types of objects might these be? Just a few more examples, please? Do you have a list started with 'personalized software tool' ideas? Do you have a list started with 'their needs' ideas? I am truly curious. Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 6:08 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I want to build a complete set of exocet programming tools with a comprehensive bot which can be used by the disabled to create personalized software tools to meet their own needs for creating yet more tools. The idea is to keep the thing homing in on a user's individual needs and offering possible solutions in the form of preprogrammed startup objects and modules they can assemble, reassemble, and modify, with as little outside help as possible. With these basics it would hopefully open up the world to their creativity, productivity, and independence like never before. Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 2.1.2 Advanced Media Group Thomas J McGrath III 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hypercard virus
Hi Stephen, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:00:22 -0800 From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hypercard virus Ha ha the hypercard 'virus' -- written in Hypertalk!! there hasn't been a real mac virus of any kind for about 6 or 7 years... I don't bother with any anti-virus software...I've got enough problems with spam clogs. -- I'm kind of guilty of that too (I do have some AV products onboard), but someone I converse with who uses Windows reminded me that, while I may not get a virus, I can still pass one. It's really one of those If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem things. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exocet dreams; not the missile but...
On Feb 12, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Personally, someday I want to build a complete set of exocet programming tools with a comprehensive bot which can be used by the disabled to create personalized software tools to meet their own needs for creating yet more tools. What is exocet? If you never have done so, play with some Lego Mindstorms. You'll probably get some ideas. There is a Lego robotics lab at the new Explora in Albuquerque, NM. My 4 year old son learned to program a bot in 45 minutes! It's all procedural, iconic and point-n-click! -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
on 2/12/04 4:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:30:26 -0500 From: Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed a finger accessing a touchtone phone that came with Quicktime VR toolkit 1.0 Maybe a bunch of image captures of the pieces(hand configurations) that make up a sign and then piece them together. Of course I just thought about the arm movements darn... Well you might be able to do that too. I would weigh that against the video method and see which would take more time/money/effort. Yes, I already thought of that, but I think a set of animation parts might work better than QTVR. However, I thought VR would be better for viewing the signs from a different angle, i.e, a QTVR movie could swing around and show the sign from the signer's point of view instead of the audience (if you will) point of view, which is the most common way of presenting the material, but doesn't show formation from the side the signer sees it. Otherwise, I came to the conclusion that just making video clips of a few carefully articulated signs as time is available made more sense. Unless someone comes up with funding to do it fulltime until the project is finished. The _big_ difference with writing it in Rev is, of course, interactivity, which is next to useless on a straight video DVD, and totally useless on tape. You can go to any letter, word, phrase, or sentence, and replay the clip as often as you like while practicing. In fact, perhaps I could get with the producers of current video-based instructional tapes and coax them into a deal to capture the video in clips then go from there. Off to the library... Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print Card snag
Thanks Alex and Rob for your input. Don't think revPrintField/revPrintText are options. Your input sort of got my gray matter(what's left of it) back working(sort of). Will try to script something in a repeat structure like: print card -- scroll set to zero --set the scroll to x print card --set the scroll to y print card Do you think this is feasible? Regards Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~rep.shareware ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: viruses
That's not true AT ALL. The PC virus can't execute and 'read your address book' and go somewhere else on a Mac. There is no way (unless you're using a Windoze emulator and getting mail in it) .exe, .bat, .com, etc code can run in a PPC environment. It just ends up being a useless file in your attachments folder. You'd have to forward it intentionally to infect someone else. I dumped megabytes of this crap the other day. I've got my filters in Eudora to trash the email and attachments now... There are some advantages of a niche platform! ha ha I'm kind of guilty of that too (I do have some AV products onboard), but someone I converse with who uses Windows reminded me that, while I may not get a virus, I can still pass one. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Intelligent Agents......
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 03:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/02/2004 10:37:45 AM use-revolution-bounces wrote: I am in the process of submitting a Master's proposal at the University if Abertay with a view to doing research into intelligent agents for teaching xTalk to teachers.. I am at present looking for a copy of 'Eager', an IA developed for HyperCard Richmond Mathewson Richard, As I recall Eager was done by Allen Cypher -- you can find his contact info on this page http://www.pliant.org/personal/Tom_Erickson/AHA.html -- Frank ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part, take them to a screen wherein they can choose a particular version of that body part). Judy On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: The _big_ difference with writing it in Rev is, of course, interactivity, which is next to useless on a straight video DVD, and totally useless on tape. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: itemDelimiter
On Friday, February 13, 2004, at 12:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have troubles determining how many paragraphs there are in a paragraph array then try this: --- put 1 into countNum repeat put theParagraphArray[countNum] into zap if zap = empty then put (countNum - 1) into timesP exit repeat end if add 1 to countNum end repeat -- timesP now contains the number of p.../p sets that where found. --- An easier way to get the number of paragraphs would be: put the keys of theParagraphArray into theKeys put the number of lines of theKeys into numParagraphs -- Frank ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revCopyFolder progress bar
I am copying 300 Megs of files to the users HD using the revCopyFolder command. It works great but I need to create some sort of progress bar for the user. Since the command does not appear to do any progress reporting, how can I gauge the progress to provide visual feedback to the user? Thanks Klaus for your earlier help with the create alias command. It was just what I needed. Stu ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Print card snag
Found a solution to the problem (item 9 of issue 117, items 4,6,9 of issue 119) in the message box: answer printer --select landscape set the vScroll of fld x of card y to zero print card y set the scroll of fld x of card y to 440 --makes the rest of the listfield visible print card y --etc depending on the height of the list field. The result was two pages. 1st page with the top area fields and the list field up to 440. the second page with the top area fields and text of the list field after 440. Just what I wanted! Regards Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~rep.shareware ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows appearance issues
Howdy again, So, let me please understand a little more. Will Rev follow and display appearance theme objects true to the Windows system version onboard? If so, are Windows' user prefs settings (like Silver with Pink) retrievable at startup of a main stack? Should I totally dispense with trying to emulate Windows appearance themes and just go with totally custom scratch-made buttons? Would it be bad form to emulate XP buttons (unless I don't have to worry about it) that may easily end up on, say, a Millenium version? Sorry, I just can't tell what to do with these issues. The program I'm writing is for special purpose, but the only thing I know is that it will be running on some kind of Win box. TIA, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] RevZilla 1.1.1 Released
Just a quick note to let you know that I've updated RevZilla to work with the new Statuses and Resolutions of the new Bugzilla system, and added a feature that allows you to see all of your unresolved bugs in the My Bugs screen (displays UNCONFIRMED, PENDING, NEW, ASSIGNED and REOPENED bugs). You can still access the bugs the old way (the way Bugzilla currently does it: just the NEW, ASSIGNED and REOPENED ones) if you like. You can get it through RevNet or at: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ P.S. Alex, I hope you're listening - at least this might hold you over until we make the same changes to My Bugs in Bugzilla. :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows appearance issues
I believe the next version of Rev will support Windows native appearance (like the Mac version does now). I think we are due for this new version soon. Bill Vlahos On Feb 12, 2004, at 7:17 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Howdy again, So, let me please understand a little more. Will Rev follow and display appearance theme objects true to the Windows system version onboard? If so, are Windows' user prefs settings (like Silver with Pink) retrievable at startup of a main stack? Should I totally dispense with trying to emulate Windows appearance themes and just go with totally custom scratch-made buttons? Would it be bad form to emulate XP buttons (unless I don't have to worry about it) that may easily end up on, say, a Millenium version? Sorry, I just can't tell what to do with these issues. The program I'm writing is for special purpose, but the only thing I know is that it will be running on some kind of Win box. TIA, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Drawers size
On 2/12/04 5:09 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I wasn't in the commode but, the way I went about it did not seem to work. So I was hoping that some one with a bit more experience than me had done it. To anyone, Also, can I set the size of a drawer to any size? right now it seems it is the same size as my parent stack? I think what Klaus was saying was just that you should be able to set the stack size normally and then open it with the drawer command -- except that the stack can't be larger than its parent or else it can't slide out properly. I haven't tested that, but it sounds right. I suspect Rev will resize a large stack before drawering it if it is originally too big. So, just set the rect of the card to a size smaller than the parent stack and then open it using the drawer command and see what happens. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows appearance issues
Bill is right about the next version.. but, unlike Mac, many windows programs don't adhere exactly to the current windows 'look and feel'. In fact, even Microsoft doesn't in their Office Suite. So, it's not a big problem to go with the standard Windows 2000 look-and-feel (which is the default L-N-F for RR) -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Drawers size
Hi, Well after misunderstanding what Klaus was saying I spent the last two hours trying to get it to be bigger than the parent window. The window I am using is a non standard window, it is a shape. I wanted the drawer to come out the bottom of my floating window and that is not possible for some reason either. If I had understood that Klaus was saying it was not possible I would have given it up sooner. Also, when the stack goes to WinXP (drawers don't work) the drawer becomes a window but the text field in it is see through ie I can see the window decorations but the inside is see through. Not good. It looks like I will need to drop the drawer window idea and make it a palette with more control. Thanks anyway, Tom On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 5:09 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I wasn't in the commode but, the way I went about it did not seem to work. So I was hoping that some one with a bit more experience than me had done it. To anyone, Also, can I set the size of a drawer to any size? right now it seems it is the same size as my parent stack? I think what Klaus was saying was just that you should be able to set the stack size normally and then open it with the drawer command -- except that the stack can't be larger than its parent or else it can't slide out properly. I haven't tested that, but it sounds right. I suspect Rev will resize a large stack before drawering it if it is originally too big. So, just set the rect of the card to a size smaller than the parent stack and then open it using the drawer command and see what happens. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
on 2/12/04 7:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:25:32 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exocet dreams; not the missile but... To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Feb 12, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Personally, someday I want to build a complete set of exocet programming tools with a comprehensive bot which can be used by the disabled to create personalized software tools to meet their own needs for creating yet more tools. What is exocet? If you never have done so, play with some Lego Mindstorms. You'll probably get some ideas. There is a Lego robotics lab at the new Explora in Albuquerque, NM. My 4 year old son learned to program a bot in 45 minutes! It's all procedural, iconic and point-n-click! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
On 2/12/04 5:23 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I'm not asking you to do it, I just wanted to know. Seems relatively straightforward. So what would it take to map out a syllabus, sit down in front of an iSight and spend 5-10 minutes or so a day on it, just collecting clips? Sorry, I didn't mean to sound short. The problem with the static picture dictionaries is that you can't really see what the signs do, since by its nature, ASL is a dynamic, fluid language. It moves, and pictures don't. There's a nuance involved, and the meaning of a sign can change in a hundred ways depending on slight alterations in its production. So books and images serve as good reminders if you already know the signs, but they are not very good when learning from scratch. The video idea would be better. It would still lack some nuance, but could work on a basic level. If you do decide to make videos, better find a real deaf person. Except for the children of deaf parents, almost everyone else has a hearing accent. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
What I want to know is Lego Mindstorms controllable via Revolution? I think it is in the serial realm... I know there is a Mac version out there last time I searched. I think it was an educational version. I would love to play with Legos from my computer and Rev and X10. Then I could have Rev react to environmental conditions and then control my little bots to do cool stuff.. Tom If you never have done so, play with some Lego Mindstorms. You'll probably get some ideas. There is a Lego robotics lab at the new Explora in Albuquerque, NM. My 4 year old son learned to program a bot in 45 minutes! It's all procedural, iconic and point-n-click! Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 09:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: What I want to know is Lego Mindstorms controllable via Revolution? Yes. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: English-like communications adventure with good man UDI
--- Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is the code in the code in MakeSMF.rev
proprietary?
Sorry, I didn't understand a meaning well.
I want you to say by different expression
again.
A thing of specification of note-string(Cq
Eq..)
is one part of HyperTalk.
I expanded it originally.
I have not seen it it being used besides
HyperCard.
All the rights of a script code
of makeSMF abandon it.
You remodel it to like it and can use it.
==
help!
i am trying to communicate to UDI that
his stacks (downloaded from RunRev.com)
are dehilited in my Open Stack...
place. this is in the development IDE(?).
how do you distinguish a
standalone/distribution stack
from a normal stack?
if a person is willing to share the code,
then why make it a standalone?
I'm assuming you have a Mac, and that when you
try to
open the makeSMF.rev stack, it is grayed out in
the
Open dialog box, and you can't select it.
yes
This is probably caused by a lack of Type and
Creator
codes in the file (this happens when a file
comes from a PC)
- you can either drop the stack's icon onto the
Revolution icon _after_ you've started
Revolution ;
Revolution should open it, and then you can
save it so
that it remembers being a Revolution doc.
- or you can use Sarah Reichelt's droplet,
which you
can download from the Rev Contributions section
;
direct link :
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/developerdownloads/Rev%20droplet.sit
thank you Sarah Reichelt ('s droplet)
IT WORKED! the file opens,
and now i know what a droplet is.
And although I can't speak for UDI, I interpret
his
reply as : I made this based on the way you
play sounds in HyperCard, and placed the source
doe in the
public domain, so if you want to customise it,
go ahead.
hence good soul UDI
=
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Ann: DiscreteBrowser 1.1 (Was StealthBrowser) release
Thanks to all of you, here the release of a new and improved DiscreteBrowser for runrev. It's not a great browser but it has the basic functions you need. HTML Support is strictly for display, no forms or scripts or any fancy stuff. Just a plain browser. Version 1.1 fixes a few problems and adds a few functionalities. No more need to jump to your browser to grab a page or text. And for those with directors on their backs, there is a plain text browser to read your news or blogs in peace. ;) http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=137 Those who are registered on MonsieurX.com can go here directly to download http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=44 If any of you want to share a script to launch a browser for MacOS or Linux, Im interested for the community's benefit naturally! There is one missing credit in this release which I will fix tonite. I might add a google button for the missing net search. Bugs and suggestions welcome as usual. Enjoy! Xavier -- http://monsieurx.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exocet dreams; not the missile but...
on 2/12/04 7:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:25:32 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exocet dreams; not the missile but... On Feb 12, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Personally, someday I want to build a complete set of exocet programming tools with a comprehensive bot which can be used by the disabled to create personalized software tools to meet their own needs for creating yet more tools. What is exocet? --- Probably from the Latin exocetus, a flying fish, Exocets are primarily known as French-built anti-ship missiles which are usually fitted with fairly sophisticated intelligent internal guidance systems. If you preprogram or radio control them into a general zone, they can then locate, track, acquire, and strike a particular ship, all on their own. The word has since become a kind of synonym for a similar form of AI. Some types of search bots on the internet, and, I suppose, in sophisticated complex DBs, use algorithms that similarly home in on specified targets, and are occasionally referred to as exocets. It's in the latter context that I used the word. --- If you never have done so, play with some Lego Mindstorms. You'll probably get some ideas. --- Yes, but more in line with using current developer tools like Rev to design and assemble other tools which can exploit individual abilities, i.e., the things a person with disabilities _can_ do, such that the system 'learns' about its user and continuously homes in on better, more successful means for communication and control. More in line with developing tools for the disabled to use the internet, telephony, X-Ten devices, etc., to create for themselves opportunities for independence and contribution that haven't existed before. Why? Because they will have the means to design and develop tools and solutions unique to their individual needs, skills, and desires. --- There is a Lego robotics lab at the new Explora in Albuquerque, NM. My 4 year old son learned to program a bot in 45 minutes! It's all procedural, iconic and point-n-click! --- Cool... That's the idea, and I certainly agree robotics is right in line with what I'm thinking, but the main idea is that a person with severe deficits will be able to develop tools to help themselves to do whatever they want to do. I believe that somewhere inside a twisted lump of seemingly helpless flesh may be, probably _is_, a mind and a spirit with capabilities beyond what even that person can know. Maybe they are geared to computers or robotics, but they may as well be into fine arts, music, aeronautical engineering, writing...who knows? Maybe there is in such a person the makings of another Einstein, or a Martin Luther King. How will they, or we, ever know, if they remain stuck, broken, totalliy institutionalized all their lives? I just want to develop basic stuff that has some capability to follow its user, constantly testing and paying attention to what appears to be working, put a few things together in that direction to help. If it works, if it hits the mark, the user now has another tool to help create the next better thing...until they have what they need to learn and write a concerto, discover the Unified theory, or write the doc that finally brings peace to the Sudan. Like that...a dream... Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
Can you teach it to water plants? ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:31 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123 What I want to know is Lego Mindstorms controllable via Revolution? I think it is in the serial realm... I know there is a Mac version out there last time I searched. I think it was an educational version. I would love to play with Legos from my computer and Rev and X10. Then I could have Rev react to environmental conditions and then control my little bots to do cool stuff.. Tom If you never have done so, play with some Lego Mindstorms. You'll probably get some ideas. There is a Lego robotics lab at the new Explora in Albuquerque, NM. My 4 year old son learned to program a bot in 45 minutes! It's all procedural, iconic and point-n-click! Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
--- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:01:30 + From: Frank Leahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intelligent Agents.. As I recall Eager was done by Allen Cypher -- you can find his contact info on this page http://www.pliant.org/personal/Tom_Erickson/AHA.html --- Hmmm...the guy created Cocoa too. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]
Hi Judy, From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part, take them to a screen wherein they can choose a particular version of that body part). -- But what will you do about all the hand movements? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 5, Issue 123
Come on Dar, you can't leave it at that :-) How do you do it. The last time I investigated, you either had to have some VB dll in Windows or a mini C compiler in Macs. While I realize one can communicate directly via serial ports, how do you use this to program /or control the robots? Sarah On 13 Feb 2004, at 4:21 pm, Dar Scott wrote: On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 09:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: What I want to know is Lego Mindstorms controllable via Revolution? Yes. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: English-like communications adventure with good man UDI
On 13 Feb 2004, at 4:23 pm, Erik Hansen wrote:
- or you can use Sarah Reichelt's droplet,
which you
can download from the Rev Contributions section
;
direct link :
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/developerdownloads/
Rev%20droplet.sit
thank you Sarah Reichelt ('s droplet)
IT WORKED! the file opens,
and now i know what a droplet is.
My pleasure - glad it worked for you.
Cheers,
Sarah
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