Re: Subwindow error
On Tue, June 7, 2005 10:35 pm, Martin Baxter said: Hello Martin, Thank you very much for your reply. [...] > I confess that I don't really understand the error either, but I did > manage to get your script to work in the way I think you want. The error > message occurs here after the popup menu has been displayed and you then > press the arrow key again to change the menu selection. (if I make a menu > selection with a mouse click there is no error). > The script below worked OK here - note the local variable l_popon which is > initialised to false. This allows the script to ignore the second arrow > key press. The trouble is that when you use the arrow key again it tries to > popup the menu again instead of just making a selection. - clear ? I hope > so :-) Yes, you are right. The error message doesn't appear when there is a mouse click on the stack. After the mouse click, the stack very obediently respond's to the down arrow key :-). Upon subsequent arrowKey down, the selection of the choices can be made from the popup menu. Is there a way for the mouse click to happen automatically? So that the error doesn't appear. > local l_popon = false > > on arrowKey theKey > if theKey is "down" and l_popon is false then > put true into l_popon > popup btn "micron" at "230,225" > else > pass arrowkey > -- so the engine can operate the menu for you > end if > end arrowKey > > on menuPick theItem > set the label of the btn "micron" to theItem > set the menuMode of btn "micron" to comboBox > put false into l_popon > -- now l_popon is false again like at the start and next > -- arrowkey will popup the menu again > end menuPick > > Hope this helped, I have tried the above script here, but it too worked fine only after a mouse click on the stack. -- Regards, Dayakar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::Array debugging - what a user-candy joke!
well, apologies, you can see the values thanks to Pat's mention of a hidden column... Damn i feel stupid now... But with most debugger windows being resized by default with that pane hidden, it's like the message watcher with the misplaced buttons or the reverror dialog hidding the "abort" button! How come this doesn't bother anyone? why is this not fixed after 2 versions? Presentation is the #1 factor and sometimes, for the professional developpers among us, this falls really short of being pleasant sometimes. grrr on me Xavier On 08/06/2005 07:05:55 use-revolution-bounces wrote: >While Kevin said they put significant effort into new features i find the >array >debugging totally useless - you can't see what any array element holds! > >You're still forced to dump the element into a variable to see what's in >it... >You can't filter keys (if you have more than 30 for example)... And you >can't modify them either during runtime... > >Man, these are features that have been shown and done for decades even in >ThinkC! > >At least there's quite a bit of anoying and demo-embarassing features that >were removed from the script editor... Im significantly disarrayed as to >what constitutes user-valuable development features in rev's plan... > >cheers >Xavier > > >___ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'seeing' arrays in the variable watcher
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding this. But, if I run the handler below, in the variable watcher I can see : left paneright pane testArrayA in the panes below [1]test1 [2]test2 [3]test3 if the contents don't show, clicking on the name shows them. You may have to move the dividers to see the different panes. What else should I be able to see? Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Stephen Barncard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: 'seeing' arrays in the variable watcher the usual array test in a button... on mouseUp global testArrayA put "test1" into testArrayA[1] put "test2" into testArrayA[2] put "test3" into testArrayA[3] repeat with n = 1 to 3 put testArrayA[n] & return after theOut end repeat put theOut end mouseUp returns in the msg... test1 test2 test2 but I don't see anything different in the variable watcher. Under what conditions does one 'see' the arrays values in Rev 2.6?? stephen barncard At 7:43 PM -0500 6/7/05, Ken Ray wrote: Sorry, but one of the things I like about the debugger is that you can select and/or change values of a variable while you're debugging. You (a) can't do that with array element values, and (b) if your element contains more than one line, you only see the first line in the debugger and there's no way to see anything else. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to see arrays in the debugger, but I think it didn't go far enough, IMHO. Ken Ray ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Array debugging - what a user-candy joke!
While Kevin said they put significant effort into new features i find the array debugging totally useless - you can't see what any array element holds! You're still forced to dump the element into a variable to see what's in it... You can't filter keys (if you have more than 30 for example)... And you can't modify them either during runtime... Man, these are features that have been shown and done for decades even in ThinkC! At least there's quite a bit of anoying and demo-embarassing features that were removed from the script editor... Im significantly disarrayed as to what constitutes user-valuable development features in rev's plan... cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Gave up on Quicktime. Crash Rev in Windows...
Even with Quicktime 7.0, Revolution/Metacard crash unexpectly and quite frequently with graphics intensive applications. After struggling for work around with Quicktime in the past two years, I finally abandoned the use of Quicktime in my children's games on the Window side. Now the crashing has stopped and I am happy, but with less than pleasing transition effects on the Windows side. 1. Converted all MIDI files to mono/22,000 .aif files 2. Done a lot of If the platform is "macos" then unlock with visual the coolqteffect of this card else unlock with visual boringdissolveonREV end if If you experience multiple unexpected crashes of your REV/Metacard appz, and you use quite a bit of multimedia. Uninstal QT or use the "dontuseQT" property to shut of QT from REV. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev. User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)?
Ralph R. Forehand wrote: >[snipped] > I'll be staying at the Renaissance Waverly Hotel in the Cobb Galleria > Convention Centre, NW Atlanta, and assume we can find a meeting space there. > [snipped ] > > Outstanding! This is from the Waverly's homepage: "High-speed Internet Access is available as well as WiFi Access in the Atrium." Then we can definitely test out the prototype RevUGs USA Wiki onsite during our meeting. Oh, that's at http://rugusa.linguistix.net if you can't wait ;-) Cheers, Kat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stack name vs file name indication
Sara, Thank you for your answer and offer. For saving backups I found a free plugin called Backups Picker from So Smart Software that periodically backs up the stacks you're working on without switching files like Save As does. And now that I know about filename of stack function I hopefully won't make the mistake I started to make earlier of editing the right stack in the wrong file. I wonder though how many people have made this mistake and when they reloaded the *right* stack assumed their work must have just disappeared. I've worked with some IDE's that have an Also Save As right after Save As that allows you to make a copy without switching files. Nice option. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sarah Reichelt Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Stack name vs file name indication > If you have a stack named mystack, which is saved as the file > mystack.rev in > some directory, and you do a Save As mystack_bak.rev. Are you not now > editing in the file mystack_bak.rev? > > What in the IDE lets you know that you are working with the stack > mystack, > but in the file mystack_bak.rev vs mystack.rev? Thanks! > Hi Jim, the filename of stack "mystack" will give you the info you need. Also of use is "delete stack whatever" which despite it's scary name, actually only deletes the copy from memory, so you can reload the working version. I have written scripts to do just what you are doing, so if you need more help, just let me know and I'll dig them out. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
'seeing' arrays in the variable watcher
the usual array test in a button... on mouseUp global testArrayA put "test1" into testArrayA[1] put "test2" into testArrayA[2] put "test3" into testArrayA[3] repeat with n = 1 to 3 put testArrayA[n] & return after theOut end repeat put theOut end mouseUp returns in the msg... test1 test2 test2 but I don't see anything different in the variable watcher. Under what conditions does one 'see' the arrays values in Rev 2.6?? stephen barncard At 7:43 PM -0500 6/7/05, Ken Ray wrote: Sorry, but one of the things I like about the debugger is that you can select and/or change values of a variable while you're debugging. You (a) can't do that with array element values, and (b) if your element contains more than one line, you only see the first line in the debugger and there's no way to see anything else. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to see arrays in the debugger, but I think it didn't go far enough, IMHO. Ken Ray ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
On 6/7/05 8:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. > > Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a > serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Anyone try an email to Tech Support? Argh. Don't -- you will just get me, and I will have to tell you to bug-report it. But don't worry. Mark W is reading the list (as I am) and he keen to clean up this sort of thing. USAians should remember that it is the dead of night over in Scotland right now. I'll ask Mark tomorrow if he saw this. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UPDATE - User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)?
Ralph R. Forehand wrote: You wrote; I intend to attend. Please include me. Mark, Thank You for your response and interest. I've added you to our database of those interested in Rev.Users Groups. I'll keep you informed as we progress. Is there any time period during July 20th-23nd that you definitely could not attend our meeting? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Waverly Hotel in the Cobb Galleria Convention Centre, NW Atlanta, and assume we can find a meeting space there. [snipped ] Outstanding! This is from the Waverly's homepage: "High-speed Internet Access is available as well as WiFi Access in the Atrium." Then we can definitely test out the prototype RevUGs USA Wiki onsite during our meeting. Oh, that's at http://rugusa.linguistix.net if you can't wait ;-) Cheers, Kat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
FWIW: ask "?" put (it is empty) put length(it)&&charToNum(it) Reveals that hitting cancels returns a string with length of 1, but a null byte. Even testing "char 1 of it" gives this same nasty 1-byte nothing! Sounds to me like someone stomped on the length pointer for "it" in the engine when they return from that ask dialog... - Brian Dennis Brown wrote: It says don't send them bugs, but you can pay big buck to get help from them. I am not one of the big buck guys --just DreamCard. My bad. I forgot about the support limitations. I just forwarded the thread -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. > > Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a > serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Anyone try an email to Tech Support? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
On 6/7/05 8:18 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken > > Yeah and you'd probably complain if you were hung with a new rope, too. > > :-D > > (FWIW, I agree. But I suspect we'll see incremental improvements over > time. Get it working, then get it working right, then get it working > fast I always say.) Hmm... I've always heard "if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right"... too much mediocrity in software, I'm afraid... Ken ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Chapter on printing?
Thanks for the kind words. Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Pat Trendler wrote: Thanks Dan, That's all I needed to know. Will wait patiently now. I cut up my credit cards more than twenty years ago - got one recently just so I could get your other two chapters. Well worth it. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Chapter on printing? Not at all. Sorting out business issues and waiting to see 2.6. I expect to finish it this week or early next now. Yeah, I know. Heard that before. I've always meant it. But the best- laid plans On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Pat Trendler wrote: Dan, I know this is a long time since it has been mentioned. But, have you given up on writing the chapter on printing? Just thought I would ask:) Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
Dennis Brown wrote: It says don't send them bugs, but you can pay big buck to get help from them. I am not one of the big buck guys --just DreamCard. My bad. I forgot about the support limitations. I just forwarded the thread -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. > > Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a > serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Anyone try an email to Tech Support? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
It says don't send them bugs, but you can pay big buck to get help from them. I am not one of the big buck guys --just DreamCard. Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dennis Brown wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. > > Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a > serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Anyone try an email to Tech Support? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Ken Ray wrote: I like about the debugger is that you can select and/or change values of a variable while you're debugging. man, that's new to me... change the value while debugging oh boy, If I knew that earlier... living and learning! thanks andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
Dennis Brown wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. > > Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a > serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Anyone try an email to Tech Support? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
Is there a different, parallel path to notify RunRev of something a serious as this so they can get started on it right away? Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 6/7/05 1:23 PM, "Éric Miclo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on myCommand ask question "What do you look for?" as sheet if it is empty or the result is "Cancel" or the result is empty then do nothing else do something end if end myCommand In my opinion, after having a sight at the documentation, it is a bug. Am I wrong? No, Eric, you're right! And this is a bug that will probably bite a lot of people (including me)... I can't tell you how many places I've said stuff like: ask if the result is not "Cancel" then put it into tString end if NOW, this will totally fail. It of course works properly in 2.5.1, so it's definitely a 2.6 bug. Eric, if you don't log it in Bugzilla let me know and I'll log it. Please mark it as "severe". Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Chapter on printing?
Thanks Dan, That's all I needed to know. Will wait patiently now. I cut up my credit cards more than twenty years ago - got one recently just so I could get your other two chapters. Well worth it. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Chapter on printing? Not at all. Sorting out business issues and waiting to see 2.6. I expect to finish it this week or early next now. Yeah, I know. Heard that before. I've always meant it. But the best- laid plans On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Pat Trendler wrote: Dan, I know this is a long time since it has been mentioned. But, have you given up on writing the chapter on printing? Just thought I would ask:) Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
Of course my scripts are failing also. I write a lot of "if it is empty then exit mouseUp" I traced through this and found that the it variable appeared to be empty after I hit Cancel. However, the if empty would fail. When I manually select the contents of the it variable in the variable watcher and delete, the test succeeds. So the it variable is being set to something that looks empty, but isn't. This is critical! I would expect RunRev to have a fix for this in the next 24 hours! This might point to why I have been experiencing not so nice behavior in the IDE. Back to 2.5 untill the 2.6.1 version. Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 6/7/05 1:23 PM, "Éric Miclo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on myCommand ask question "What do you look for?" as sheet if it is empty or the result is "Cancel" or the result is empty then do nothing else do something end if end myCommand In my opinion, after having a sight at the documentation, it is a bug. Am I wrong? No, Eric, you're right! And this is a bug that will probably bite a lot of people (including me)... I can't tell you how many places I've said stuff like: ask if the result is not "Cancel" then put it into tString end if NOW, this will totally fail. It of course works properly in 2.5.1, so it's definitely a 2.6 bug. Eric, if you don't log it in Bugzilla let me know and I'll log it. Please mark it as "severe". Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
On 6/7/05 8:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken, Eric, > I have not moved to 2.6, and this would be enough reason not to do so. > Does the following also fail in 2.6? > > on mouseUp (or some other command) > ask > if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp (or whatever command) > continueDoingStuff > end mouseUp Yes, it fails. The reason is that the result is now empty and not the string "cancel", so code like this (and code like I use) would not match the 'if' check. I hope RunRev fixes this in 2.6.1... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Chapter on printing?
Not at all. Sorting out business issues and waiting to see 2.6. I expect to finish it this week or early next now. Yeah, I know. Heard that before. I've always meant it. But the best- laid plans On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Pat Trendler wrote: Dan, I know this is a long time since it has been mentioned. But, have you given up on writing the chapter on printing? Just thought I would ask:) Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
Ken Yeah and you'd probably complain if you were hung with a new rope, too. :-D (FWIW, I agree. But I suspect we'll see incremental improvements over time. Get it working, then get it working right, then get it working fast I always say.) Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 6/7/05 6:32 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon wrote: I'm a little confused: is "The Tiger Release" useful for those of us on Windows? Yes - just the ability to see arrays in the debugger window should make it worthwhile. Sorry, but one of the things I like about the debugger is that you can select and/or change values of a variable while you're debugging. You (a) can't do that with array element values, and (b) if your element contains more than one line, you only see the first line in the debugger and there's no way to see anything else. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to see arrays in the debugger, but I think it didn't go far enough, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
Ken, Eric, I have not moved to 2.6, and this would be enough reason not to do so. Does the following also fail in 2.6? on mouseUp (or some other command) ask if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp (or whatever command) continueDoingStuff end mouseUp Thanks for the warning. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have only been using 2.6 for a few hours now, not trying to do anything any different than I usually do, but it has goofed up on me in various strange ways every 15 minutes or so. I am having to got to revert very often to recover. This is much more often than 2.5. 1. Editing a script of a button and suddenly the script is gone -- along with the button! 2. Nothing will bring up the Inspector 3. Can't get the stack window to come to the front of a script Generally along the lines that the IDE is hung up somehow, or the focus suddenly changes to something else while I am typing. Reverting my stack seems to fix it for a while. Others seeing anything strange? I downloaded the distribution, added previous (unduplicated) plugs, entered my Key and started using it. I trashed the old one. Any Ideas? Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug or new feature? - It's A Big Bug!
On 6/7/05 1:23 PM, "Éric Miclo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on myCommand >ask question "What do you look for?" as sheet >if it is empty or the result is "Cancel" or the result is empty then > do nothing >else > do something >end if > end myCommand > > In my opinion, after having a sight at the documentation, it is a > bug. Am I wrong? No, Eric, you're right! And this is a bug that will probably bite a lot of people (including me)... I can't tell you how many places I've said stuff like: ask if the result is not "Cancel" then put it into tString end if NOW, this will totally fail. It of course works properly in 2.5.1, so it's definitely a 2.6 bug. Eric, if you don't log it in Bugzilla let me know and I'll log it. Please mark it as "severe". Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Chapter on printing?
Dan, I know this is a long time since it has been mentioned. But, have you given up on writing the chapter on printing? Just thought I would ask:) Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
On 6/7/05 6:32 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jon wrote: > >> I'm a little confused: is "The Tiger Release" useful for those of us >> on Windows? >> > Yes - just the ability to see arrays in the debugger window should make > it worthwhile. Sorry, but one of the things I like about the debugger is that you can select and/or change values of a variable while you're debugging. You (a) can't do that with array element values, and (b) if your element contains more than one line, you only see the first line in the debugger and there's no way to see anything else. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to see arrays in the debugger, but I think it didn't go far enough, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
And finally, inspired by Richard Gaskin's suggestion ... Compilation to Java bytecodes and integration of Java class libraries into rev ... Ooooh, you might have something there Richard ... I have also suggested a number of times that RunRev take advantage of Java under certain conditions. Here are some examples where it could mean big bucks to RunRev and us: - Java externals - to allow speedy development of J2EE clients - a wide range of custom controls - developers can leverage the many free code libraries for Java just like we can with C - Compiling stacks into applets would allow us to use them in browsers and as a by-product also allow us to use a browser object to embed a stack within a stack - Compiling stacks into midlets would allow us to use them on phones and pdas Interestingly the old MetaCard site used to state that compilation to bytecode had already been developed. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: Java is stable mature and truly cross (cross cross cross) platform if you use Swing components (Dan :-D) I wish my Java programmers believed that. They claim that although Java 1.5 and SWT have fixed a lot of problems, GUI design is still pretty much a write-once-debug-everywhere hit-or-miss kind of task. I may have to flog them. Java and Python may not be as much fun as rev, but they're like flying a plane compared to knuckle-walking in C. True (and a great analogy to boot). ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problems with Application Icons
Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Is anyone else having problems allocating an icon to a standalone >> application on the Mac? I've been re-building my application under >> v2.6 of Rev and the resulting application has the generic OS X >> application icon - even after I've gone into the Standalone settings >> and re-confirmed the path of the icon file. It worked under 2.5.1, >> but I'm on OS X 10.4.1 now as well so I guess that more than one >> thing has changed here... >> > I have had this happen a few times and fixed it by zipping the > application, trashing the original & unzipping again. This seems to > trigger it to read it's plist and re-instate the correct icon. This is a known problem with OS X. It was less pronouced in earlier OS X versions, but happens often in Tiger. I find just making a copy of the app burbs the Finder enough to get it to find the icns file. Some say moving the .app into the Trash and back out again does it too. Another thing to look forward to in OS X 10.4.2... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
That sounds potentially promising. I wonder if there's anyone on the list who has these credentials and the time and interest to look into this. On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: SWIG should be able to do this; it provides wrapper C code to go around C or C++ libraries, and already can generate the wrappers needed by 12 or 13 different scripting languages; it seems unlikely that Transcript couldn't be added. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Brian Yennie wrote: LOL... (and I try to avoid writing that when it's not true). In all seriousness, though- I'm curious if a selective implementation would be that bad. Java GUI crawls, and so does string manipulation, but not ALL java does. I dislike Java as much as the next guy (the next guy on this list, anyway), but there is *some* fast, powerful java out there. I ditched Micro$oft Office last year in favor of ThinkFree Office, written in Java with Apple's Swing libraries. Overall it feels on par with native Transcript; somethings slower, some things faster -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Yeah, I'll give you that. And there may be some value in looking at an implementation like Jython, which uses Python but allows calling Java classes where appropriate. As long as I never have to actually look at Java source. Yuk. On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: LOL... (and I try to avoid writing that when it's not true). In all seriousness, though- I'm curious if a selective implementation would be that bad. Java GUI crawls, and so does string manipulation, but not ALL java does. I dislike Java as much as the next guy (the next guy on this list, anyway), but there is *some* fast, powerful java out there. - Brian You mean other than a three-orders-of-magnitude slowdown? ;-) Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with Java -- Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
On Jun 7, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: And finally, inspired by Richard Gaskin's suggestion ... Compilation to Java bytecodes and integration of Java class libraries into rev ... Ooooh, you might have something there Richard ... java. is. evil. joking. I think that for your numerical needs you could just build a rich GUI in rev and pipe commands to python right? this would give you the performance you need with a decent high level ide on top of your code (i hate writting python UIs...) andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File name of stack weirdness
If I do: "get the filename of this stack" on my G5(Tiger) it returns "/Volumes/Starfish Internal 250/Scripter/filename test/ filename test.app/Contents/MacOS/filename test" i.e. the full path. If I run it on G3 laptop(Panther) it returns "/filename test.app/ Contents/MacOS/filename test" (whereas to be consistent, it should have returned /Volumes/ Powerbook HD/filename test.app/Contents/MacOS/filename test") This is a big problem for me as I need to pass the path information to a text file to be read by another (SC) application. I would guess that on your laptop, you are using the boot drive, but on your G5, you are used another drive, not the boot drive. Rev always adds the "/Volumes/DriveName" prefix to anything other than the boot drive. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problems with Application Icons
Is anyone else having problems allocating an icon to a standalone application on the Mac? I've been re-building my application under v2.6 of Rev and the resulting application has the generic OS X application icon - even after I've gone into the Standalone settings and re-confirmed the path of the icon file. It worked under 2.5.1, but I'm on OS X 10.4.1 now as well so I guess that more than one thing has changed here... I have had this happen a few times and fixed it by zipping the application, trashing the original & unzipping again. This seems to trigger it to read it's plist and re-instate the correct icon. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Dear Dan Thanks for the reply. Alas, I am one of those colleagues you describe, since the major part of what I want to do simply doesn't work well with rev. Firstly, rev is far too slow for numerical computation. I did some tests and even byte-optimized Python beats rev for speed in most cases and that's hardly a "Gold Standard" for performance. Java, long lambasted for being slow, absolutely leaves rev in the dust as far as performance goes. Try doing a matrix inversion or sorting a huge list in both languages and you'll see what I mean. Granted, the Java development path is somehwat less fun than rev's, but Java is stable mature and truly cross (cross cross cross) platform if you use Swing components (Dan :-D) Now imagine you want to render some complex objects in 3D or visualize 2D or 3D data, both of which are things one might like to do even if you're not a geeky science coder like me (e.g. for games, financial analysis, GIS etc. etc.) All of this kind of stuff would be excruciating and impractical to code in rev unless ... (and here's my second major gripe with rev) ... you're willing to postpone your project for 6 months and write wrappers for a visualization DLL in C ... which is just what you wanted to avoid when you started using Transcript in the first place! With Java or Python, I import OpenGL or whatever visualization package I'm using and my workflow continues in my language of choice. I have access to the collective effort of thousands before me in a huge shared community of code. Java and Python may not be as much fun as rev, but they're like flying a plane compared to knuckle-walking in C. But as I said, I like Transcript and would like to see the evolution of rev steer more towards making the Transcript language really useful. So here's my wishlist for the good folks in Edinburgh ... 1. More comprehensive collection of datatypes (real arrays with ability to nest arrays etc.) 2. Much better performance (should also be enhanced by point 1) 3. Easier access to externals 4. A soild 2D vector graphics package And finally, inspired by Richard Gaskin's suggestion ... Compilation to Java bytecodes and integration of Java class libraries into rev ... Ooooh, you might have something there Richard ... Keep language you love, just swap interpreters (kind of like Jython) I like it :-D Best Gordon --- Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gordon. > > While I sympathize with some of your feelings (while > I continue to be > my most productive self when using Rev and grinning > from ear to ear > watching my colleagues who use Python, Java, and > Basic go through > excruciating pains to do what I can do in seconds or > minutes in my > favorite tool!), this notion of integrating > externals is one on which > I have pretty strong opinions. (Yes, I know. That's > unusual for me. NOT) > > The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the > fact that as far > as I know there is no single method of creating and > implementing > externals that runs on all platforms. I may be wrong > about that; DLLs > may in fact be more cross-platform than they were > last time I looked, > particularly with the emergence of OS X. But I am > pretty strongly > opposed to Rev spending significant time and > resources extending the > capabilities of the program for *any* > platform-specific > functionality. And, FWIW, that includes when they do > so for MY > favorite platform, OS X. I'd have been delighted to > see 2.6 fix a > bunch more bugs and not implement CoreImage and > DeepMask stuff. Now, > I realize that in saying that I'm in a small > minority and I also > realize that the DeepMask stuff works cross-platform > and will be a > real boon as Longhorn emerges from its near-decade > in cold storage. > But my position remains the same: of all the > development tools from > which I can choose, only two that I know of -- Rev > and Flash -- give > me true cross-platform capability. And because I > choose to work on a > minority platform but want to be able to reach the > majority platform, > cross-platform is my personal number one feature in > Rev. Anything > that detracts from that is just in my way or an > unnecessary appendage. > > So if there is a way to facilitate the incorporation > of cross- > platform external routines relatively transparently > and to give me a > Transcript-level way of dealing with them, I'm happy > to see it > implemented even though I have yet to need such > capability in the > dozens of things I've written. But if supporting > externals must be > done for a specific platform -- or, almost as badly, > differently for > each platform -- then I'm in favor of Rev passing on > that and fixing > more of the bugs we still have to work around. > > > On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: > > > still no real > > arrays, still no bridge to the vast world of > shared > > libraries that would allow me to integrate
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I may be wrong about that; DLLs may in fact be more cross-platform than they were last time I looked, particularly with the emergence of OS X. But Rev have already done the hard part - there is already a mechanism to call externals on each platform. So if there is a way to facilitate the incorporation of cross- platform external routines relatively transparently and to give me a Transcript-level way of dealing with them, I'm happy to see it implemented even though I have yet to need such capability in the dozens of things I've written. I'd like to have it so I could use, for example, libraries for accessing EXIF info in JPG files. It can be done in Transcript (see my initial version in libEXIF on revOnline), but it's SLOW, horribly slow. There are a number of readily available, free C libraries that would do this for me, and they are platform independent, simple, straightforward C. I could write C wrappers for them, and use the existing SDK / samples to call them as externals - I even started doing it, but stopped because I hate writing C, and I'm not at all good at it. But if supporting externals must be done for a specific platform -- or, almost as badly, differently for each platform -- then I'm in favor of Rev passing on that and fixing more of the bugs we still have to work around. I'd agree with that. But given that the base mechanism already exists, and that if you can write C you can write externals to use from Transcript, then "all" that's missing is a way to access existing libraries without having to write the complex (and tedious) wrapper code (esp for those who can't , or won't, write C, and so are unable to do such wrappers). SWIG should be able to do this; it provides wrapper C code to go around C or C++ libraries, and already can generate the wrappers needed by 12 or 13 different scripting languages; it seems unlikely that Transcript couldn't be added. It could probably even be done without RunRev though someone experienced in writing externals for transcript, and good at C would be needed. www.swig.org or better, http://www.swig.org/exec.html -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT Weather report was: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed
On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Thomas McGrath III wrote: Heather, Pardon me but, while your fixing the What's new file can someone fix the Home/ Latest News on RevOnline It's 86 degrees F here and Christmas Coding seems a bit odd. But it's just 36 degrees in Edinburgh. ;) And it snowed all morning here in the southern Canadian Rockies, with more forecast overnight! Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Moving a Custom Shaped window memory leak
On 7 Jun 2005, at 9:36 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: btw whats a good realtime "windows task manager" for osx? If "Windows task manager" does what I think it does, then the OS X equivalent is called "Activity Monitor". You'll find it in Applications:Utilities Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
LOL... (and I try to avoid writing that when it's not true). In all seriousness, though- I'm curious if a selective implementation would be that bad. Java GUI crawls, and so does string manipulation, but not ALL java does. I dislike Java as much as the next guy (the next guy on this list, anyway), but there is *some* fast, powerful java out there. - Brian You mean other than a three-orders-of-magnitude slowdown? ;-) Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with Java -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
You mean other than a three-orders-of-magnitude slowdown? ;-) Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with Java -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
On Jun 7, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: When CodeWarrior DR1 was released at MacWorld in 19whatever I was so fed up with Symantec's C compiler I couldn't get signed up fast enough. Uninstalled Symantec and never looked back. When I first got my hands on a Delphi package (when I was still a PC user) and quickly delete VB and prayed for the Gods of Pascal never to allow such gap to exist. I remember myself thinking "will blockread and blockwrite work? YEAH!!" -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
Richard- Tuesday, June 7, 2005, 1:39:47 PM, you wrote: RG> Judy Perry wrote: >> (I'm starting to sound like a kid on a road trip: "are we THERE yet") RG> There's a level of excitement I never got from Code Warrior. :) I did !!! When CodeWarrior DR1 was released at MacWorld in 19whatever I was so fed up with Symantec's C compiler I couldn't get signed up fast enough. Uninstalled Symantec and never looked back. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with Java -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Gordon. While I sympathize with some of your feelings (while I continue to be my most productive self when using Rev and grinning from ear to ear watching my colleagues who use Python, Java, and Basic go through excruciating pains to do what I can do in seconds or minutes in my favorite tool!), this notion of integrating externals is one on which I have pretty strong opinions. (Yes, I know. That's unusual for me. NOT) The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I may be wrong about that; DLLs may in fact be more cross-platform than they were last time I looked, particularly with the emergence of OS X. But I am pretty strongly opposed to Rev spending significant time and resources extending the capabilities of the program for *any* platform-specific functionality. And, FWIW, that includes when they do so for MY favorite platform, OS X. I'd have been delighted to see 2.6 fix a bunch more bugs and not implement CoreImage and DeepMask stuff. Now, I realize that in saying that I'm in a small minority and I also realize that the DeepMask stuff works cross-platform and will be a real boon as Longhorn emerges from its near-decade in cold storage. But my position remains the same: of all the development tools from which I can choose, only two that I know of -- Rev and Flash -- give me true cross-platform capability. And because I choose to work on a minority platform but want to be able to reach the majority platform, cross-platform is my personal number one feature in Rev. Anything that detracts from that is just in my way or an unnecessary appendage. So if there is a way to facilitate the incorporation of cross- platform external routines relatively transparently and to give me a Transcript-level way of dealing with them, I'm happy to see it implemented even though I have yet to need such capability in the dozens of things I've written. But if supporting externals must be done for a specific platform -- or, almost as badly, differently for each platform -- then I'm in favor of Rev passing on that and fixing more of the bugs we still have to work around. On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: still no real arrays, still no bridge to the vast world of shared libraries that would allow me to integrate external functionality into rev and save me having to either reinvent the wheel or spend my time writing C wrappers ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: UPDATE - User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)?
Ralph R. Forehand wrote: You wrote; I intend to attend. Please include me. Mark, Thank You for your response and interest. I've added you to our database of those interested in Rev.Users Groups. I'll keep you informed as we progress. Is there any time period during July 20th-23nd that you definitely could not attend our meeting? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Waverly Hotel in the Cobb Galleria Convention Centre, NW Atlanta, and assume we can find a meeting space there. [snipped ] Outstanding! This is from the Waverly's homepage: "High-speed Internet Access is available as well as WiFi Access in the Atrium." Then we can definitely test out the prototype RevUGs USA Wiki onsite during our meeting. Oh, that's at http://rugusa.linguistix.net if you can't wait ;-) Cheers, Kat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
>From a functionality point of view, I've experienced no problems using
Rev on Linux, although I've never tried using any "special"
characters. I do though, fully agree with Damien about the "look" of
the applications in comparison to the Windows (and I assume, Mac)
counterparts. There are some really dramatic differences in the
display quality, especially when it comes to fonts.
I run Rev Studio on Windows, but purchased a separate Dreamcard
license for use on Linux, just so I have a better feel for the
differences.
My linux development goes something like this: Build app on Dreamcard
running on native linux, compile using Rev Studio on Win '98 (running
in Win4Lin), test executable on native Linux... Once I'm satisfied
with the Linux version, I reboot into XP, make any necessary
adjustments to the UI and compile stack again for Windows.
I'm not sure what the solution might be, but it would be more than appreciated.
-Doc-
On 6/7/05, Damien Girard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard Gaskin a écrit :
>
> > Damien Girard wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I think I will become crazy, but I wait, I am waiting a Runtime
> >> Revolution that WORK under linux.
> >>
> >> Revolution 2.2 work but are bugged with new desktop manager (Gnome,
> >> KDE), Revolution 2.5 and 2.5.1 doesn't work at all with the GTK+ Look
> >> and feel and Revolution 2.6 doesn't work also.
> >>
> >> I have got this bug when I want to start Revolution :
> >>
> >> The runrev loader window is showed "Revolution 2.6", and nothing else is
> >> done, I have got only at the bottom right of this window "Loading
> >> standard Icons..."
> >>
> >> So, I just want a Runrev that WORK under linux.
> >
> >
> > It'll be interesting to read what the lead engineer, Mark Waddingham,
> > can offer here. It's my understanding that his main machine is Linux,
> > so I know they're highly motivated to have it work as well there as on
> > other platforms.
> >
> > FWIW, while I don't spent a lot of time with Linux when I have run Rev
> > it's worked well, so I suspect the issues you're seeing are either
> > related to the installation and/or will be short-lived.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Media Corporation
> > __
> > Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
> > ___
>
> Runrev doesn't work, it work only in Emulated Look and feel, there
> aren't all font under linux, the windowboundingrect are wrong, french
> special characters doesn't work ("éùàç...").
> And runrev doesn't start if I set good library
> (libgdk-x11...,libgtk-x11...,libgobject) for have the GTK look and feel.
>
> The GTK look and feel is good, but he doesn't work. I have tryed with 3
> distrobutions, and never I had a Revolution that work.
>
> I understand, there aren't a lot of user of Runrev under linux, but why
> ? Because runrev isn't the best under linux. (Under MacOS X, yes,
> Revolution is very great)
>
> And I say only the true. Maybe, Runrev doesn't support something in a
> french linux ?
>
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Re: Economics & Eye Candy
There are two classes of problems to solve. 1. Develop commercial applications for others to use to solve a problem without knowing how it is done. 2. Write your own tools to solve your own problems. Number 1 is hard and requires a lot of expertise. The user is delighted with a custom pleasing (eye candy) interface. He feels that he has gotten his moneys worth, because he could not have made such a nice piece of art. Number 2 is easy (that is the goal). The interface is utilitarian, because the effort goes into solving a problem. An easy way to have a pleasing interface more or less automatically, is a delighter, but not absolutely needed. The beauty of Revolution is that it can do both of these for most problems. However, it does neither perfectly yet. It is a work in progress. The documentation needs are very different between these two. Developers can invest the time to learn all the nooks and crannies of the tool, because the overhead will be repaid in the substantial use of the tool. They need an in depth description of each operation along with all the possible side effects. The "hobby" user needs the tool to do what he wants in an intuitive way, with very easy index into the documentation by the theme of what he wants to do. Simple script examples that he can modify are a world of help. The tutorial series is also a wonderful introduction to the basics for everyone. THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROACHED IN A STRUCTURED WAY!!! The philisophy needs to be articulated, then the goals need to be formulated, and then a plan of action to meet those goals developed. I hope RunRev realizes this. Dennis On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: Transcript has the potential to be so much more than just a cool GUI designer. Well, I can't design a GUI to save my life and I still find lots of things to do with Transcript ;-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution en Español
On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: AG> PS: Eu deveria ter respondido em espanhol?! LOL... guess what, sometimes I fell strange when I write emails in portuguese, I think maybe I am writting to much english these days. Some days ago I could swear that the book I was reading was in plain portuguese when it was actually in good english with python snippets (which don't look like portuguese either). I think maybe I should spend some portuguese words in my email, like when I am cursing, portuguese is so full of colorfull cursings... :D Andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution en Español
Andre- Tuesday, June 7, 2005, 11:28:10 AM, you wrote: AG> PS: Eu deveria ter respondido em espanhol?! LOL... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
Judy Perry wrote: Well, y'all must be right about this. Why does it FEEL like such a long time? (I'm starting to sound like a kid on a road trip: "are we THERE yet") There's a level of excitement I never got from Code Warrior. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Advice on: sharing data between stacks
Emilio Gagliardi wrote: >This sounds like you'll (potentially) finish up with a custom stack for >each child (or grandchild) Correct. >I'd worry this could lead to code >duplication between all these stacks. Could you not simply store data >specific to that child, with a central set of custom stacks for >different categories. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by central set of custom stacks. Yes there will be duplication but that is fine, so long as the demographic data is passed correctly to the sub stack and the sub stack correctly passes out the data to write to file. The reason this is necessary is because we need to write the sub stacks very quickly and usually with a very restricted range of functionality that is independent of all other sub stacks. further, not everyone who creates the sub stacks is a serious programmer so i wanted a system that is flexible and loose. I try to avoid writing code whenever I can :-) I try to write code that it (relatively) general, where the data can modify the results. You described this as "substacks are very simple, limited range of functionality and can be written quickly by people who are not serious programmers". To me, that suggest that it would be possible to write a sub-stack that would be general enough to handle not a single individual, but a class of them - with only specific data varying between the individuals. Then (in some cases, not all) there would be no need to write any new substack - you'd simply provide the data needed to drive that slightly more general sub-stack, by "a central set of custom stacks" I was think it might be possible to write a number of stacks - each with a certain level of generality. I have no idea what might be relevant to your problem - but maybe something like: - one substack for female adult - one for female teenager - one for female child - same three for male The main reason to avoid writing, and replicating, code is that when (not "if") you discover a bug in the code you have been writing, you don't need to go and change many replicated instances of it - you change the code in one place; the other main reason is that (if you can get enough generality) you can avoid the need to write any code for each additional person in your database - so it gets easier for non-programmers to do so. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
Well, y'all must be right about this. Why does it FEEL like such a long time? (I'm starting to sound like a kid on a road trip: "are we THERE yet") @;-P Judy On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Alex Tweedly wrote: > No, it didn't actually take more than a year. 2.5Beta was last July - > 2.5 itself came out (I think) in August; perhaps very early September. > > And in between there was a 2.5.1 bug fix release. So I think they're > pretty much keeping to the described schedule, since this time last > year, when I first took out my 30-day trial license. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed (what's new)
Kevin Miller wrote: On 7/6/05 2:14 pm, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I love my Mac, but Windows users pay my bills The most recent release did have two Mac specific features aimed at the new Tiger OS. These are quite significant and given there is a new Mac OS version just out its appropriate to push these. However we will provide similar support to Longhorn when that comes out Anything for XP 'tween now and then? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
Maybe I'm just overly anxious? Judy On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Kevin Miller wrote: > On 7/6/05 8:26 pm, "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Getting from 2.5 to 2.6 took more than a year with > > seeming little in the way of bug-fixes. > > Actually, its considerably less than a year. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: Transcript has the potential to be so much more than just a cool GUI designer. Well, I can't design a GUI to save my life and I still find lots of things to do with Transcript ;-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the ScreenRect
actually, I was not able to do full test of the Windows version (no PC with dual monitor in the office) If someone could test and tell us the result, it would be great. Thank you. Thierry On 2005, Jun 7, , at 21:47, Troy Rollins wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I wonder if there are registry settings you can find on the Window side for at least figuring out where the screens are? I would imagine that Thierry's windows version would work equally well. I just had not tried them on Windows, so couldn't confirm or deny that. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the ScreenRect
Thank you Andre.
Here is the code :
static charstaticText[255];
#ifdef __STDC__
void XTK_ScreenRect(
char*args[],
int nargs,
char**retstring,
Bool*pass,
Bool*error)
#else
void XTK_ScreenRect(args, nargs, retstring, pass, error)
char*args[];
int nargs;
char**retstring;
Bool*pass;
Bool*error;
#endif
{
GDHandlemainDevice;
GDHandletheDevice;
Rect*theRect;
chartext[50];
mainDevice = GetMainDevice(); // main monitor
theRect = &((*mainDevice)->gdRect); // copy coordinates in the first
line
sprintf(staticText,"%d,%d,%d,%d",theRect->left,theRect->top,theRect-
>right,theRect->bottom);
theDevice = GetDeviceList(); // get the first monitor in the list of
all monitors
while( theDevice!=NULL ) {
if( theDevice!=mainDevice ) { // skip the main monitor, already in
the first line
theRect = &((*theDevice)->gdRect);
sprintf(text,"\n%d,%d,%d,%d",theRect->left,theRect->top,theRect-
>right,theRect->bottom);
strcat(staticText,text);// add coordinates
}
theDevice = GetNextDevice(theDevice); // get next monitor
}
*retstring = staticText;// return the list of coordinates
return;
}
Thierry
PS: Andre, excuse me for my poor English, but what means "coin a bash
script" ?
On 2005, Jun 7, , at 19:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
On Jun 7, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
Could this help ?
I have developed a function in an external that returns the
coordinates of all monitors, one per line.
The main screen is in the first line.
function name: xTKScreenRect()
It's available for download
MacOS X
http://www.digital-salade.com/toki/download/TokiUtilities.bundle.zip
Windows 2000/XP
http://www.digital-salade.com/toki/download/TokiUtilities.dll.zip
Thierry
Thierry,
congrats on the externals could you tell what function did you use
to get the coordinates in MacOS X, maybe I can also coin a bash script
to do the same effect!
Cheers
andre
On 2005, Jun 7, , at 16:19, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We also need multi-monitor support. Our applications provide tools
for a
graphics department of 20 PC workstations. All of these have dual
monitors
using Nvidia cards. My apps developed with Rev will fail to work
properly
unless they are displayed on the primary (screen 1) monitor.
Which is simply unacceptable. I have two projects that I am
beginning right now.
The first - involves strong support for multiple screens. Rev is
ruled out due to Bug #193
The second - involves strong support for QuickTime streamed media.
Rev is ruled out due to Bug #1239 & #2692
Neither of which is helped by the lack of a data grid object #670.
Maybe I just happen to do stuff at which Rev is particularly buggy,
but I can't support Rev if it can't support my projects.
--
Troy
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http://www.rpsystems.net
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Re: Deep Masks
Thanks to all for information on Deep Masks. I think this will solve a problem I've been wrestling with for some time!! Cheers, Roger On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry . . . I've looked everywhere I can think of but have found no indication of how to implement deep masks (transluscent window) One way is to create a 32-bit PNG with the transparency you need. Import that into your stack and set the windowShape of the stack to the id of the image. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: printing cards with image(s) on it
Hi Christian, This is not my forte and Scott will doubtless correct me, but try scaling a jpg image to obtain proportionately improved dpi... An 1200x900 image scaled to 400x300 will print at 216dpi (1200/400 x72). I have noticed that gif images don't respond this way in Rev. /H - I'm no image specialist, but what do I have do respect to get the max quality printout of images imported into a stack ? I only see that, when allowing the user to resize, rotate, set blendlevel the imported image or even letting the imported image at its initial state, when printing it out you're getting a lousy quality. - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: rev cgi engine on Mac OS X
On 6/3/05 8:42 AM, Burrton Woodruff wrote: Hi Folk, I've downloaded the osx.zip file from the revolution site. and un- zipped it. The download becomes a folder with two files echo.mt (4KB, get info says it is a document) and rev (2.6 MB, get info says it is a document) How do these files mesh with the instructions given at http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html The file "rev" is the executable, which you should put in your cgi-executables folder. You can rename it "revolution" if you want it to match the online tutorial. The "echo.mt" text file is a pre-made cgi that allows you to test whether your installation is working. Put that in the folder too. Then try to access it from a browser: http://www.yourdomain.com/cgi-bin/echo.mt If all is well, the echo.mt cgi will return a list of environment variables. There is nothing special about them; it is just some text to send back so you know your setup is okay. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
Judy Perry wrote: Originally, we were told to expect more or less one feature release per year and one or more bug-fixes within that same period. Version 1 went to version 2, to 2.2 I think, to 2.3... and things seemingly started slowing up considerably. Getting from 2.5 to 2.6 took more than a year with seeming little in the way of bug-fixes. No, it didn't actually take more than a year. 2.5Beta was last July - 2.5 itself came out (I think) in August; perhaps very early September. And in between there was a 2.5.1 bug fix release. So I think they're pretty much keeping to the described schedule, since this time last year, when I first took out my 30-day trial license. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Economics & Eye Candy
Mr X has really hit the nail squarely on the head. I often open the rev IDE, wistfully hoping perhaps that somehow it could now magically do what I need it to do. Then I realize it can't and drift away to other development platforms with a sense of regret at what could have been. Now rev 2.6 is out and there are more fancy GUI features than ever (deep masks etc.) but still no real arrays, still no bridge to the vast world of shared libraries that would allow me to integrate external functionality into rev and save me having to either reinvent the wheel or spend my time writing C wrappers (for comparison, look at the Python 'ctypes' module or the 'usedll' type of features that abound in the many versions of Basic). Sigh! Even my licence has expired and I just can't imagine stumping up another $200.00 to have 'deep masks', but still not the features I really need. Transcript has the potential to be so much more than just a cool GUI designer. Gordon --- MisterX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Rossi > > Good arguments Scott, but i disagree still > > the economics are based on the sales... > marketshare... > Industry standards... > > Sure the mac is prettier, like a bmw, but it's still > not the bmw they lease for the common company > driver. > > No matter how you twist the argument, the law of > supply and demand will rule... More technicians to > managers. > > Rev may be a development management tool, it aint > the common programmer's > heaven... (a thematic hyper-twist between the lines) > > in my company, it's 3000 seats... sun emc and MS. > Major enterprise tools, > the more they cost, the more likely they will be > bought... > > i seriously dont see how apple could vantage one > "enterprise" feature... > even security... You'd have to rely on specific > hardware - not mac os. > Databases? Oracle - Production CPU? Sun or > mainframe. Clients? 3000 PCs or > thin clients (as is now the fashion in reducing > costs in workstation > leases). So if Rev still doesn't work in Metaframe > environments, it's not a > problem but it's still an eye sore for any > developper who can't distribute > 1000 of anything to a larger more enterprise client. > That's economic losses > for (not me) the many PC=rent developpers among you. > > I dont say rev is not capable, it's just not being > done the way i would have > expected in terms of cross-platform or enterprise > "quality and feel" as it's > being done for the "minority" of potential mac > client. The performance and > lack of object/array programming is coming i hope > soon - probably after my > license expires. Meanwhile, i was able to develop > these myself and that's > where i see the eye-candy... The economics of a good > programming design. > After 15 years. How many of you are going to wait to > get these benefits? > That's opportunity cost for all of us... > > cheers > Xavier > http://monsieurx.com/taoo > > > > > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > http://nulkin.blogspot.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed (what's new)
On 7/6/05 2:14 pm, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've seen at least two builds in which a substantial percentage of new > features were Mac-specific. > > I look forward to seeing a release or two that focus on Windows-specific > features. > > I love my Mac, but Windows users pay my bills The most recent release did have two Mac specific features aimed at the new Tiger OS. These are quite significant and given there is a new Mac OS version just out its appropriate to push these. However we will provide similar support to Longhorn when that comes out, and future releases will focus as much on the other platforms. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Economics & Eye Candy
Recently, MisterX wrote: >> Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. > Good arguments Scott, but i disagree still > > the economics are based on the sales... marketshare... > Industry standards... I don't disagree and I'm not trying to twist the argument. My point was that the "eye candy" may not not be as far removed as you think/say. Of course, I can't answer regarding the timetable for development. Maybe the currently added features were do-able in a shorter timeframe. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inspector interface problem
This exact same thing just happened to me last week, when I finally downloaded the DreamCard that I'd purchased along with my students at the beginning of the semester: All the text in the inspector views were in Ransom!!! (this is a ransom-note font in which each letter looks like it was cut out from various newspapers, menus, etc., so that anything you type in it will look like the stereotypical ransom-note used in kidnappings, etc.). Nice to know the cause! It is indeed a non-Apple font. I'd just downloaded it and a bucketload of others for my unit on using type creatively (e.g., how to think outside of Arial and Courier etc.) Judy On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 5/20/05 10:24 AM, Brad Borch wrote: > > > I'm a professional multimedia developer and I'm considering using RR for > > a project, but somehow the interface got screwed up and the inspector > > labels are in a different script (I suspect this has something to do > > with the script selected on my Mac at the time). I re-downloaded the > > program and re-installed, but obviously a prefs file somewhere needs to > > be trashed. Running Dreamcard 2.5.1 on Mac OS 10.3.9. Thanks for your help, > > I've seen 2 other reports of the same thing. In both cases, it was a > font ID conflict, caused by non-Apple fonts installed in the system font > folder (or in the OS 9 fonts folder.) If you can recognize the font, try > removing it; if you can't, try removing any font that isn't Apple's. > Look for dingbat fonts, especially. > > Once you get it narrowed down, you can use a font editor to reset the > font ID to something else. Someone else did that and said it worked. > > Your note is dated from last month, so it may be that you were one of > those 2 cases; I can't remember now. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the ScreenRect
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Re: Inspector interface problem
On 5/20/05 10:24 AM, Brad Borch wrote: I'm a professional multimedia developer and I'm considering using RR for a project, but somehow the interface got screwed up and the inspector labels are in a different script (I suspect this has something to do with the script selected on my Mac at the time). I re-downloaded the program and re-installed, but obviously a prefs file somewhere needs to be trashed. Running Dreamcard 2.5.1 on Mac OS 10.3.9. Thanks for your help, I've seen 2 other reports of the same thing. In both cases, it was a font ID conflict, caused by non-Apple fonts installed in the system font folder (or in the OS 9 fonts folder.) If you can recognize the font, try removing it; if you can't, try removing any font that isn't Apple's. Look for dingbat fonts, especially. Once you get it narrowed down, you can use a font editor to reset the font ID to something else. Someone else did that and said it worked. Your note is dated from last month, so it may be that you were one of those 2 cases; I can't remember now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
It seems to me that perhaps this has been taken differently than intended. It is less of a snippy remark than my trying to understand the company's timetable for releases. While I know that these things cannot be expected to be set in stone and rigorously followed, I find myself puzzled by what seems to be fits and spurts in releases. Originally, we were told to expect more or less one feature release per year and one or more bug-fixes within that same period. Version 1 went to version 2, to 2.2 I think, to 2.3... and things seemingly started slowing up considerably. Getting from 2.5 to 2.6 took more than a year with seeming little in the way of bug-fixes. I am at a point in time in the next week or so where I need to decide whether to seek an update pack for my university's labpack or hopefully get the department to spend that amount of money on something else (like maybe QTPro). I wouldn't really mind so much it being the Rev update pack, but I am troubled that it seems we're not likely to gain anything by it, and at least with QTPro, I could include a Flash animation unit and use QTPro to convert Flash output to something Rev can use. Can anyone make any recommendations or better insights into the company's update/release schedule without giving away the crown jewels ;-) ? Judy On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, MisterX wrote: > > So, we're talking about what, 4 or 6 years? > > > > Judy > > > > ROTFL ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the ScreenRect
Hi Troy, I wonder if there are registry settings you can find on the Window side for at least figuring out where the screens are? -Chipp Troy Rollins wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote: Could this help ? For the record, Thierry helped me get this working in OSX at least. So tests can continue on my part for at least one of my apps. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: UPDATE - User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)?
Hi Ralph... I wrote that, not Mark. I prefer that we use as few weekdays as possible, since I will have to take vacation days to attend during the week. However, neither rain, sleet, my day job, nor confused nested groups shall deter me from attending:) Cheers, Jonathan Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph R. Forehand Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:48 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: UPDATE - User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)? Importance: High You wrote; >I intend to attend. Please include me. Mark, Thank You for your response and interest. I've added you to our database of those interested in Rev.Users Groups. I'll keep you informed as we progress. Is there any time period during July 20th-23nd that you definitely could not attend our meeting? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Waverly Hotel in the Cobb Galleria Convention Centre, NW Atlanta, and assume we can find a meeting space there. To maximize attendance, I'll try to arrange things to fit the most respondent's schedules. >I live in Atlanta, so am happy to >help however you need. I may take you up on that. :-)) I'm looking forward to meeting you. Thanks Again, More Later, and TAKE CARE, Ralph ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Economics & Eye Candy
> > Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi Good arguments Scott, but i disagree still the economics are based on the sales... marketshare... Industry standards... Sure the mac is prettier, like a bmw, but it's still not the bmw they lease for the common company driver. No matter how you twist the argument, the law of supply and demand will rule... More technicians to managers. Rev may be a development management tool, it aint the common programmer's heaven... (a thematic hyper-twist between the lines) in my company, it's 3000 seats... sun emc and MS. Major enterprise tools, the more they cost, the more likely they will be bought... i seriously dont see how apple could vantage one "enterprise" feature... even security... You'd have to rely on specific hardware - not mac os. Databases? Oracle - Production CPU? Sun or mainframe. Clients? 3000 PCs or thin clients (as is now the fashion in reducing costs in workstation leases). So if Rev still doesn't work in Metaframe environments, it's not a problem but it's still an eye sore for any developper who can't distribute 1000 of anything to a larger more enterprise client. That's economic losses for (not me) the many PC=rent developpers among you. I dont say rev is not capable, it's just not being done the way i would have expected in terms of cross-platform or enterprise "quality and feel" as it's being done for the "minority" of potential mac client. The performance and lack of object/array programming is coming i hope soon - probably after my license expires. Meanwhile, i was able to develop these myself and that's where i see the eye-candy... The economics of a good programming design. After 15 years. How many of you are going to wait to get these benefits? That's opportunity cost for all of us... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
printing cards with image(s) on it
Hi list, I'm no image specialist, but what do I have do respect to get the max quality printout of images imported into a stack ? I only see that, when allowing the user to resize, rotate, set blendlevel the imported image or even letting the imported image at its initial state, when printing it out you're getting a lousy quality. The same image imported into Mac's "Textedit"-app, gives me twice the quality of the printed image ? I don't get it !? Could anyone, please, explain me what secrets are behind that ? Cheers, Christian from Luxembourg Mac OS X 10.4 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Economics & Eye Candy
Recently, MisterX wrote: > The economics is where it's at, not the eye candy... One can bag on Apple endlessly (I do), but for better or worse, they established an approach/appearance with their UI some time ago and ran with it. Part of this approach employs deep masks, and now that Dashboard/widgets are available to the masses -- a development environment of sorts -- this capability is even more important if the Rev folks want to stay competitive on the platform. It remains to be seen how Dashboard evolves, but for now, I believe the Rev guys made a good decision to include this feature. Mac users are an odd lot: they want everything on their system to be "Mac-like". The deep masks feature is one way Rev apps can continue to be more Mac-like. But don't fool yourself into thinking this is a goofy Mac-only trend. Look closely at XP and the reports that came out as far as 2 years ago regarding LongHorn. XP already has some of the Mac's translucency effects, and LongHorn (in true MicroSoft fashion) promises to be more Mac-like. According to WindowsITPro in 2003: "Early test versions Microsoft is showing at WinHEC include amazing animation effects, smooth window scaling, and advanced window translucency." When is LongHorn supposed to ship? 06? 07? And here we Rev developers can start developing our stacks now with these features. "But we're going to see all kinds of poorly designed apps and unnecessary garbage released with all these features!" Of course we are. This is the same argument that was voiced in the 80's regarding desktop publishing, and in the 90's when the Web started taking off. Maybe this is the decade of interface eye candy. And it will no doubt spawn some goofy looking apps. Eye candy is no substitute for usable/effective UI deign. But if the developers of the underlying systems are pursuing the eye candy route, our apps need to at least support the features. Employing the features is up to you. Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: dump newbie image questiosn
on 7/6/05 1:09 pm, Jon wrote : > You remain, in my humble eyes, one of the most prolific and articulate > contributors to this list. > > :) > > Jon > > > J. Landman Gay wrote: Hear Hear! It's the clarity that does the business... Thanks, JLG ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution en Español
On Jun 7, 2005, at 3:24 PM, rsarabia wrote: Hola, ¿hay algún experto desarrollador en Revolution que hable español?, si hay alguien puede contestarme directamente a mi correo no a la lista. Gracias, ___ Rufino Sarabia Rufino, I don't really speak spanish but I am brazilian so I can at least understand it, it's not that far from portuguese. (And I can always ask for help from my aunt which is a colobian) Cheers Andre PS: Eu deveria ter respondido em espanhol?! RS & Asociados 629 444 710; fax 902 120 880; [EMAIL PROTECTED] correo alternativo y envío de ficheros a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Facilitamos el desarrollo científico-técnico y financiero de personas, sociedades y congresos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using "split" to build multi-dimensional arrays ?
jbv wrote:
Better use a different char to combine the array if you want to split
it later back into an array.
You used the comma already as an itemdelimiter.
Thanks for the tip, but why do array delimiters have to be
different from itemdelimiter ?
There's nothing on this in the documentation...
Is it a known bug ?
The problem you're seeing is that you have a variable (say, X) with
lines like
2,5,e
and you try to split it ("split X by CR and comma").
you're hoping for
X[2,5] = e
But what you'd actually get is
X[2] = 5,e
because split takes the *first* instance of the split char (in this case
comma)
The problem therefore is that you have the same char(",") for the split
delimiter as for the array dimension delimiter.
It's not a bug, and it's not a general requirement - it's just a
restriction for doing the split in the way you are trying to do it.
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Re: who's out there?
I am using Revolution professionally to develop educational software. This is my first project with Rev, and so far it is going very well. As far as cross-platform issues, most of them come from font issues. For the most part, Rev does a great job at compensating for font sizes. Mac fonts, however, take up more space vertically. I find these cosmetic issues easy to deal with using Profile. I have a Win Profile and a Mac profile and switch between them based on the platform at the start up of the program. At 11:05 AM 6/5/2005, you wrote: I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy, syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside. And how many of you successfully deploy cross-platform applications? That is my holy grail, but I'm so far away from that I can't even imagine it. Finally, are there any cross-platform dos and don'ts? I read that the Ask Files dialog is system-dependent at the Filters level. I understand why this might be necessary, but it sure shoots a hole in simple cross-platform applications. :) Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bug or new feature?
Hello, With the just release 2.6 version I did found that something that worked well in the previous version won't work as smoothly than before. It's related to the "ask" command. Under 2.5.1: on myCommand ask question "What do you look for?" as sheet if it is empty or the result is "Cancel" then do nothing else do something end if end myCommand worked fine when the user pressed the "Cancel" button but does not in 2.6 when pressing the "Cancel" button just because "do something" is executed. I've to rewrite it that way: on myCommand ask question "What do you look for?" as sheet if it is empty or the result is "Cancel" or the result is empty then do nothing else do something end if end myCommand In my opinion, after having a sight at the documentation, it is a bug. Am I wrong? Regards, ÉrIC -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution en Español
Hola, ¿hay algún experto desarrollador en Revolution que hable español?, si hay alguien puede contestarme directamente a mi correo no a la lista. Gracias, ___ Rufino Sarabia RS & Asociados 629 444 710; fax 902 120 880; [EMAIL PROTECTED] correo alternativo y envío de ficheros a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Facilitamos el desarrollo científico-técnico y financiero de personas, sociedades y congresos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File name of stack weirdness
In my experience this is normal OS X/Unix behavior. The "root" level of the system is defined as the "top" level of the boot volume, so in a terminal if you do 'cd /' you are taken to the top level of the boot drive. If my boot volume is 'Macintosh HD' that information is not included in the path name. However, if I want to access a file or folder on another volume I must preface the cd command with /Volumes/ DriveName. The behavior is Rev is consistent with the unix file system model and is completely expected. HTH Devin On Jun 7, 2005, at 2:37 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote: Hello all - don't want to distract anyone from the serious business of playing with translucent windows, (well done Runtime on 2.6) but could anyone shed any light on this???: If I do: "get the filename of this stack" on my G5(Tiger) it returns "/Volumes/Starfish Internal 250/Scripter/filename test/ filename test.app/Contents/MacOS/filename test" i.e. the full path. If I run it on G3 laptop(Panther) it returns "/filename test.app/ Contents/MacOS/filename test" (whereas to be consistent, it should have returned /Volumes/ Powerbook HD/filename test.app/Contents/MacOS/filename test") This is a big problem for me as I need to pass the path information to a text file to be read by another (SC) application. Can anyone offer any advice? Is it a bug? Is there a workaround? All the best, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: UPDATE - User Groups in the USA (RUGs/USA)?
You wrote; >I intend to attend. Please include me. Mark, Thank You for your response and interest. I've added you to our database of those interested in Rev.Users Groups. I'll keep you informed as we progress. Is there any time period during July 20th-23nd that you definitely could not attend our meeting? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Waverly Hotel in the Cobb Galleria Convention Centre, NW Atlanta, and assume we can find a meeting space there. To maximize attendance, I'll try to arrange things to fit the most respondent's schedules. >I live in Atlanta, so am happy to >help however you need. I may take you up on that. :-)) I'm looking forward to meeting you. Thanks Again, More Later, and TAKE CARE, Ralph ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: using "split" to build multi-dimensional arrays ?
no, set you itemdelimiter before you split and you will see why. The comma is the default itemdelimiter. Split uses the itemdelimiter to split your array into "parseable" items. so it you have commas in your arrays, it can lead to confusions somewhere... cheers Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jbv > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 20:01 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: using "split" to build multi-dimensional arrays ? > > > > > > > Better use a different char to combine the array if you > want to split > > it later back into an array. > > You used the comma already as an itemdelimiter. > > > > Thanks for the tip, but why do array delimiters have to be > different from itemdelimiter ? > There's nothing on this in the documentation... > Is it a known bug ? > > Thanks, > JB > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed (what's new)
> I love my Mac, but Windows users pay my bills if only Kevin would realize the economics behind that. For example, if i'd get 5 additional votes for every bugzilla i entered (and a free renewal each 100) i would definitely do a lot more than just rant and write an alternative IDE... I'd be collecting bugsvotes ;) Or at least i wouldn't work as much on an alternative IDE and Rev would have had > 6) Arrays in the variable watcher. since 3 years! I had that in MetaCard 4 years ago... Do i have to wait? No, you wait and wait or dont enjoy the real features i've been proposing - sour, me? c'mon, im jubilating on your competiveness - but it's not without lots of effort! I have disregarded my pro-rules in my development too long in my hobby - and that's fixed now. A bit more "wiki" motivation is what you need but that's just a keyword for me (a valid one nonetheless) - i've had wiki in HyperCard since i started TAOO - that was my first goal when i started it in 1987 or 1988... i even have wiki objects if you want! trivial for me now, copy paste for you anytime... Next comes object through the net and im attacking directly LDAP and .net... Economically speaking, that's not stupid IMOHO. So if you want people to develop better tools for less effort and more freedom/reach - and enjoy a better ROI, just join TAOO sometime... You might like it... It even does python ;) sorry for the x-talk Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using "split" to build multi-dimensional arrays ?
> > > Better use a different char to combine the array if you want to split > it later back into an array. > You used the comma already as an itemdelimiter. > Thanks for the tip, but why do array delimiters have to be different from itemdelimiter ? There's nothing on this in the documentation... Is it a known bug ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Problems with Application Icons
Hi, Is anyone else having problems allocating an icon to a standalone application on the Mac? I've been re-building my application under v2.6 of Rev and the resulting application has the generic OS X application icon - even after I've gone into the Standalone settings and re-confirmed the path of the icon file. It worked under 2.5.1, but I'm on OS X 10.4.1 now as well so I guess that more than one thing has changed here... Thanks, Karen ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subwindow error
>Hello, > >I have coded the following script to the button "micron". > >on arrowKey theKey > if theKey is "down" then popup btn micron at 230,225 >end arrowKey > >on menuPick theItem > set the label of the btn "micron" to theItem > set the menuMode of btn "micron" to comboBox >end menuPick > >The popup menu would be displayed when down arrowKey is pressed. But, the >following error is generated when ever the down arrorKey is keyed in for >the first time after opening the main stack. > >Error: >-- > Type : subwindow: can't find stack or button > Object : micron > Line : popup btn micron at 230,225 > Hint : true > >Could anyone please tell me where I am going wrong. > >-- >Thanking you, > >Dayakar N > Hello Dayakar, I confess that I don't really understand the error either, but I did manage to get your script to work in the way I think you want. The error message occurs here after the popup menu has been displayed and you then press the arrow key again to change the menu selection. (if I make a menu selection with a mouse click there is no error). The script below worked OK here - note the local variable l_popon which is initialised to false. This allows the script to ignore the second arrow key press. The trouble is that when you use the arrow key again it tries to popup the menu again instead of just making a selection. - clear ? I hope so :-) local l_popon = false on arrowKey theKey if theKey is "down" and l_popon is false then put true into l_popon popup btn "micron" at "230,225" else pass arrowkey -- so the engine can operate the menu for you end if end arrowKey on menuPick theItem set the label of the btn "micron" to theItem set the menuMode of btn "micron" to comboBox put false into l_popon -- now l_popon is false again like at the start and next -- arrowkey will popup the menu again end menuPick Hope this helped, Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
On Jun 7, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Damien Girard wrote: That right, but runrev standalone work in GTK look and feel, the problem can come from the Runrev IDE. what problem? sorry, wasn't following the thread. Problem with your standalones or problem with some IDE behaviour? Andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
Richard Gaskin a écrit : Damien Girard wrote: Linux can have a very great look and feel, but need some work. Where I can download Metacard ? Because if Metacard work, I'll can write software for Linux. MetaCard is just the old name for Revolution before RunRev acquired it. Same engine... That right, but runrev standalone work in GTK look and feel, the problem can come from the Runrev IDE. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: platform stuff.
On Jun 7, 2005, at 2:19 PM, MisterX wrote: The effort required has already been wasted as far as i can tell. Even Chipp could have .com objects in your stacks before rev does. Next, he will have .net objects... Im porting TAOO to VBS and we'll see where that takes me... I need advancedDirectory management and other than using MS's limited gui's, i can script it via Rev to control VBS. The only way to do that is to write your own interpreter right? NOT. Forget xcode, forget bytecode. Enter TAOO... Same GUI, same code anywhere. Runs best on RunRev naturally ;) ciao Xavier Xavier, Funny, I am going on the exact oposite direction, I am porting everything to Rev so that I can have my own built for my taste working enviroment. I am porting a little contact app, an email app, a rich text app, a HTML generator, a Photo organizer, a MP3 Player... In the end I hope to have a environment that suits me, that needs nothing, one that I could use cross platforms and fell at home, the same way I felt with REBOL/Desktop back in 2000. If I had Tiger and Rev 2.6 the world would even be better for I could do some eye candy to make my UI more elegant. They key is, let miniapps do the work they are good at, since all those miniapps are running inside the same engine instance they all can share data. Heck, in the Mac I can even use AppleEvents and Send to Program if I want apps in different engine instances to comunitcate, or I can go crazy playing again with sockets (it's plain obvious that my system builds arround RevHTTPd, old server learns new tricks) The cool thing about Rev is this organic possibility that I can simply grow a fully working enviroment while I am working, like, heck, this needs to play mp3 also, so script a little stack to do it, tie it with the little clock you also built and boom, you have a mp3 alarm clock, tie that with contact app and organizer app and you have a nice agenda. They say a voyage begin with the first step, that a phrase begins with a word. My enviroment begins with on Startup, and that suits me ;-) no need for anything. Cheers andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone?
> So, we're talking about what, 4 or 6 years? > > Judy > ROTFL ;) I have kind of something going already ;) I modelled it sunday, it's kick-arse!!! Polynomial auto-based indexes Hyper-referential-text Security (s) Network clustering (redundancy and distribution) So many pieces to script together now ;) Evolving software is far easier than making a revolution but a revolution is never without evolution first... i chose the right path despite it's PC difficulties... The economics is where it's at, not the eye candy... cheers Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Judy Perry > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 18:40 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: 2.6 objects Kevin talked about? Anyone? > > So, we're talking about what, 4 or 6 years? > > Judy > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > MisterX wrote: > > > I do remember clearly that Kevin talked about an object oriented > > > variable and scripting thing for this release a couple > revChats ago... > > > > IIRC he was referring to 3.0 or later, not 2.6. > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: platform stuff.
im happy to port what i like in the mac into the pc world. Given Rev's lack of pc support in windows standards is a bit of a set back. Menus for example which just can't be controlled like win32 menus with the keyboard or scrollwheel. It's a big productivity buster. Switch back to the mouse back and forth. GTR, Richard Burns Rally, CMR (arcade though) all have idiotic and unbelievably incomfortable GUI switches from keyboard to mouse to steering-wheel - not one of those Best ofs on PCs get it right. Even ID Software get's it wrong. And you wonder why I rave about these programs... One exception: FruityLoops. Mouse, Keyboard, Keypad, Midi keyboard, midi control(lers you know those tables with 240 buttons?), and it's pure joy to control it all then differently... (yes, i can hook up as many usb joysticks or formulas as i want for inputs to wobble filter channel filter etc the sound anyway i want! It's a matter of it being practical on the platform you use... I wouldn't want to drive a car with a keyboard. I woudn't want to use a mac without a keyboard (can you today?). I'll give you a sample: at work i have 3 RDPs (remote desktop connections) which goes up to 5 or 7 even, a constant 2-4 metaframes sessions, email warnings and server states or disk space warnings showering from different sources all day... Each seesion RDP, Meta, my PC (server style), and on top the DSView Avocent screens (this is amazing technology!) is like having 15 Servers or pcs in one screen! 3 programs where i have problems constantly with copy paste: MetaCard, Lotus Notes and FireFox. Im forced to use these... It's however a hell in copy paste 1984 technology. So, yes, the mac is and was nice, kaleidoscope was great to emulate win3.1 and show it to your pc friends ;) But i can't imagine "today" on a mac what i can do on a pc today. On the other hand, i can write my own dragthing and office suite and what i want with rev - and it should work anywhere. So im just hinting a few more issues that are important to the pc users among us (or the linux users for that matter) where Rev keeps coming short in terms of evolution (no revolution yet in these prospects). The effort required has already been wasted as far as i can tell. Even Chipp could have .com objects in your stacks before rev does. Next, he will have .net objects... Im porting TAOO to VBS and we'll see where that takes me... I need advancedDirectory management and other than using MS's limited gui's, i can script it via Rev to control VBS. The only way to do that is to write your own interpreter right? NOT. Forget xcode, forget bytecode. Enter TAOO... Same GUI, same code anywhere. Runs best on RunRev naturally ;) ciao Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Stephen Barncard > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 18:20 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: platform stuff. > > For one thing, Windows, even XP, is just butt-ugly to look at > all day. Cheap looking to my eyes. But it's not the eye-candy > on the Mac > - OS 9 look would be ok with me, it's the way it works and > the ethos of Mac-based programmers (or those who follow its > HUI guidelines in > Windows) and use of their gui - they just seem to care more. > > I'll stop there. The important thing is that you are happy. > sqb > > At 9:20 AM +0200 6/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >So are you just searching for justifications or excuses to > stay on the > >mac or what? > > > >cheers > >Xavier > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
Damien Girard wrote: Linux can have a very great look and feel, but need some work. Where I can download Metacard ? Because if Metacard work, I'll can write software for Linux. MetaCard is just the old name for Revolution before RunRev acquired it. Same engine... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the ScreenRect
On Jun 7, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Thierry Arbellot wrote: Could this help ? I have developed a function in an external that returns the coordinates of all monitors, one per line. The main screen is in the first line. function name: xTKScreenRect() It's available for download MacOS X http://www.digital-salade.com/toki/download/TokiUtilities.bundle.zip Windows 2000/XP http://www.digital-salade.com/toki/download/TokiUtilities.dll.zip Thierry Thierry, congrats on the externals could you tell what function did you use to get the coordinates in MacOS X, maybe I can also coin a bash script to do the same effect! Cheers andre On 2005, Jun 7, , at 16:19, Troy Rollins wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also need multi-monitor support. Our applications provide tools for a graphics department of 20 PC workstations. All of these have dual monitors using Nvidia cards. My apps developed with Rev will fail to work properly unless they are displayed on the primary (screen 1) monitor. Which is simply unacceptable. I have two projects that I am beginning right now. The first - involves strong support for multiple screens. Rev is ruled out due to Bug #193 The second - involves strong support for QuickTime streamed media. Rev is ruled out due to Bug #1239 & #2692 Neither of which is helped by the lack of a data grid object #670. Maybe I just happen to do stuff at which Rev is particularly buggy, but I can't support Rev if it can't support my projects. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: more tiger problems
This is fixed in 2.6, just released as a free update. On May 23, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Charles Silverman wrote: In the runrev development environment the submenu right arrow pointer things in the menus are gone. This doesn't seem to be the case with standalones. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Guide to the IDE in Process
Now that 2.6 is released, I think it may be time for such a guide as I expect the GUI to be stable for long enough to merit it. Keep an ear to the ground. Dan On May 29, 2005, at 5:19 PM, Kenneth Conrad D' Souza wrote: Dear Dan, I would be among the many who would be interested in your proposed Revolution User Guide! I was quite surprized that for a such an elegant programming language the company does not provide printed manuals with purchase (have to purchase it separately!). The online documentation is excellent but as we all know one can read only so much online, especially when discovering a new gem such as Revolution and you want to learn IDE and the language from the ground up... Thanks, Kenneth C. D'Souza ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
MisterX a écrit :
Damien
I agree with you that Rev is very "Mac" only quality oriented and
the other platforms' appearance manager (out of macs) is just useless.
There's GTK and there's gnome. I've run Metacard on suse 9 with both
installed and dont remember having problems. I may ditch Windows any
day and join you in the rant but generally Rev works... If not, make
a critical or blocker bug - it MAY get some attention... ;)
Im sure someone in RunRev will come to the rescue ;) They are good people
and now should be sober from the release celebration and jubilation.
There's new features and many fixes in every runrev release and
contrary to many unix products they usually fare quite well on Mac
and a bit less on PCs. I stopped unix because of their lousy look and
feel but it doesn't mean they dont work...
I think there's more international clients like you and me that would
like to see "correct" international and diacritical text handling (not
to mention justification, leading and kerning or even a simple field
rotation feature. But who knows where RunRev picks their priorities.
It sure dont come from the Unix or Windows professional needs that many
windows and clients need compared to a 10% PC/developpers' population eager
for eye candy. But RunRev is a multimedia tool with excellent text list or
database or anything manipulation tool.
Meanwhile, rev is still the best i know on windows "that resembles HyperCard
and MacOS or my own OS in my own hands." I make my own appearances (without
the "closed" appearance feature that completely missed the "theme" bandwagon
10 years ago...). That's lame imoho. Rev prefers building mac only features
instead of fixing their cross platform problems (so many i wont mention them
- Kevin should working strictly on a PC to feel how hostile it can be...
I would gladly enjoy COM objects in rev applications more than MacOS eye
candy... Wouldn't that be a more business empowering feature? I wonder where
they pull their resources for such trivial non-practical features... But
hey, i could go on for hours! C'est la vie...
But Rev, MC works and rocks!!! A bit less than other tools but without the
development overhead and practically none of the limits (cough cough)...
cheers
Xavier ;)
http://monsieurx.com - Objects on the rocks, shaken not stirred
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Subject: Re: RUNREV 2.6 DOESN'T WORK
Richard Gaskin a écrit :
Damien Girard wrote:
Hi all,
I think I will become crazy, but I wait, I am waiting a Runtime
Revolution that WORK under linux.
Revolution 2.2 work but are bugged with new desktop
manager (Gnome,
KDE), Revolution 2.5 and 2.5.1 doesn't work at all with
the GTK+ Look
and feel and Revolution 2.6 doesn't work also.
I have got this bug when I want to start Revolution :
The runrev loader window is showed "Revolution 2.6", and
nothing else
is done, I have got only at the bottom right of this
window "Loading
standard Icons..."
So, I just want a Runrev that WORK under linux.
It'll be interesting to read what the lead engineer, Mark
Waddingham,
can offer here. It's my understanding that his main
machine is Linux,
so I know they're highly motivated to have it work as well
there as on
other platforms.
FWIW, while I don't spent a lot of time with Linux when I
have run Rev
it's worked well, so I suspect the issues you're seeing are either
related to the installation and/or will be short-lived.
--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Media Corporation
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Runrev doesn't work, it work only in Emulated Look and feel,
there aren't all font under linux, the windowboundingrect are
wrong, french special characters doesn't work ("éùàç...").
And runrev doesn't start if I set good library
(libgdk-x11...,libgtk-x11...,libgobject) for have the GTK
look and feel.
The GTK look and feel is good, but he doesn't work. I have
tryed with 3 distrobutions, and never I had a Revolution that work.
I understand, there aren't a lot of user of Runrev under
linux, but why ? Because runrev isn't the best under linux.
(Under MacOS X, yes, Revolution is very great)
And I say only the true. Maybe, Runrev doesn't support
something in a french linux ?
(Sorry about my english, I'm French)
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