Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
It sounds like you're looking for a feature that doesn't yet exist (or at least I'm not aware of it). I could see having a property that defines the direction in which the 'repeat for each' structure does its looping, like this: set the repeatDirection to descending -- or down, reverse, ??? repeat for each element x in y -- actions end repeat That would be a nice feature indeed. No harm in requesting it! Phil Davis I would prefer repeat for each element x in y descending but I doubt whether this would have the performance anywhere close to ascending 'for each' so it is probably pointless to have it. As far as I know, the speed of 'repeat for each' comes from processing elements sequentially and thus without having to recalculate the list pointer position. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Toolbar Group button - How does it work?!
Hi All, I am trying to get the same effect as the Rev team have done with the Group button on the top toobar. When you click on an object with the pointer tool, the Group button on the toolbar immediately becomes available. Likewise, when you deselect the object, the Group button becomes disabled. How can I do this in my own stack? I can't work out what message to trap, as it seems that much fewer messages are sent when the pointer tool is selected, as compared to the browse tool. Many thanks, Timothy Due http://www.leaf25.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::Rev Toolbar Group button - How does it work?!
Hi Tim, Look at the selectedobjectchanged message. You can see what is in the selection via the selectedobjcets or selobjs function cheers Xavier On 27/06/2005 10:10:03 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Hi All, I am trying to get the same effect as the Rev team have done with the Group button on the top toobar. When you click on an object with the pointer tool, the Group button on the toolbar immediately becomes available. Likewise, when you deselect the object, the Group button becomes disabled. How can I do this in my own stack? I can't work out what message to trap, as it seems that much fewer messages are sent when the pointer tool is selected, as compared to the browse tool. Many thanks, Timothy Due http://www.leaf25.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Alias on MacOS 10.3.9
Hello, I'm trying to create an alias to a folder. On Windows 'file' works, although the shortcut is to a folder and the documentation says that you can only create a shortcut to a file not a folder. Does this apply ontly to Mac since nothing happens on Mac with the script below: put specialfolderPath(pref) /IVANAmp/ into framp put there is a folder framp --renders 'true' put specialfolderPath(desktop) /IVANAmp/ into tilmp create alias (tilmp) to file framp Any suggestions? -- Signe Marie Sanne 1. amanuensis/Senior lecturer Romansk institutt Tlf.+47 55 58 21 27 Øisteins gt. 1 Epost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universitetet i Bergen http://www.hf.uib.no/mlab/Info/sms.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can Dreamcard access Runtimime standalone?
Douglas Westbrook wrote: Alex, I just retested my open .rev stack accessing custom properties in my standalone, so I know this works. Then I may have misunderstood what you meant. Could you explain some more detail of what you do, or how you do this, and I will test it in Dreamcard just to be 100% sure (If it's practical, feel free to email me off-list enclosing the app stack and I'll check it). -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Transcript arithmetic
I've just hit something that seems to me very weird. I'd appreciate any thoughts. The (tiny) problem is to calculate the interest due on a sum of common-law compensation - our client X paid certain sums over a period; the court has now agreed that they should not have been required to pay. OK, they get the money back - plus interest at R%. This represents the interest they would have earned if each payment had, at the time it was made, gone into a high-interest savings account. My first thought was that this was a future value calculation, so I used Excel - but I couldn't get sensible answers. Fine - write a tiny stack to do it iteratively. While I'm at it, I may as well allow for daily, weekly or monthly (28-day lunar) compounding periods (shouldn't really make much difference). I then display the amount of interest, and the effective annual interest rate R*. This is just the percentage increase of the basic compensation award, adjusted for the length of time - so we multiply by, for example (365 / number of days) - if the period is more than a year, this deflates the percentage increase to the effective annual rate and vice versa. The relevant bit of script is as follows:- set the numberFormat to 0.00 put £ (tCumInterest - tTotalAmount) into fld InterestDue put £ tCumInterest into fld TotalAmount put ((tCumInterest - tTotalAmount)/tTotalAmount) * 100 into tAnnRate if Daily is in gPeriod then put tAnnRate * 365/tDays into tAnnRate if Weekly is in gPeriod then put tAnnRate * 52/tDays into tAnnRate if Monthly is in gPeriod then put tAnnRate * 13/tDays into tAnnRate put tAnnRate % into fld OverallRate -- I apologise for tdays - it is really number of compounding periods This works perfectly on a G4 Mac OS 9.3 in the IDE. I decided that it might be a useful gadget for people in the office, so I made a standalone for XP. It doesn't work - the effective interest rate is not adjusted for length of the period. This is not a problem with the pop-up menu - the standalone version knows elsewhere whether it is doing a daily, weekly or monthly calculation. The percentage increase tAnnRate is correct. Somehow the expressions 365/tDays etc are evaluating to 1. But only in the standalone... Sorry to have gone on at such length, but I've had trouble believing what I'm seeing here. If anyone is interested, I'm sharing the stack in user area jmr as Interest (or words to that effect) - when the RunRev server is back up. I should emphasise that it's a standalone problem - it fails when compiled for Mac OS 9 as well as Windows. Are there known issues like this with the syntax of Transcript when compiled into a standalone? If so, I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks John -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN Testing for overlapping polygons
[Hope this isn't a repeat. According to my ISP this was not delivered. Perhaps the problems that Heather warned of over the weekend.] Well, I said it was grubby, but here it is, a stack which test for overlap between polygons. In the message box: go stack url http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/OverlapTest.rev; I was wondering how RR tests for within(). One way would be to draw a line from the point in question to the edge of the screen. If there are an odd number of intersections with the lines of the polygon, then the point is inside, otherwise it is outside. But how does RR paste a color into an opaque polygon, how does it know which pixels are inside and which outside the polygon? It doesn't test for all points, of which there are an infinite number, but it must know which pixels (integer points) are located inside--this generally would be sufficient to test for overlap--and collision. Maybe this would be a request feature RR might consider. The hard part of overlap and collision may already be in the engine. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
connecting to a remote mySQL database
Hi, I've seen this come by on this list, but I can't seem to remember the solution to the problem. When connecting from rev to a mySQL database (4.1.9) I keep on getting the error Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client. I've used the mySQL Administrator to check the Use old passwords checkbox in the security tab of the startup variables, but no success, the error remains... The error occurs when connecting from a windows RR to localhost as well as when connecting from a OS-X RR to the IP Address. Anyone any advice on how to connect to mySQL 4.1.x? many thanks in advance, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
test
please ignore Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Testing for overlapping polygons
Jim Hurley wrote: [Hope this isn't a repeat. According to my ISP this was not delivered. Perhaps the problems that Heather warned of over the weekend.] I've only seen one copy. Well, I said it was grubby, but here it is, a stack which test for overlap between polygons. That's not at all grubby - that's really neat, very nice job. It does demonstrate that the built-in function within is fairly inexact (since it's defined as whether a point is within the clickable part of a shape this inexact-ness is probably intentional). If you position the blue shape above the red one such that the approx mid-point is above the top point of the red one, and slowly drag it down, you find that point is within becomes true when there is still a clearly visible yellow gap between the two shapes - so it's clear that the RR test doesn't involve checking pixel colours.. I was wondering how RR tests for within(). One way would be to draw a line from the point in question to the edge of the screen. If there are an odd number of intersections with the lines of the polygon, then the point is inside, otherwise it is outside. Either that or decide if it is above or below, and left or right of each directed line segment in turn; only if both pairs match is it within. Both of those allow for easy inexact checks, so they could use either. But how does RR paste a color into an opaque polygon, how does it know which pixels are inside and which outside the polygon? It doesn't test for all points, of which there are an infinite number, but it must know which pixels (integer points) are located inside--this generally would be sufficient to test for overlap--and collision. Maybe this would be a request feature RR might consider. The hard part of overlap and collision may already be in the engine. Standard algorithm uses a scan pattern over the bounding rectangle, toggling on/off as the scan crosses (or touches) the edges. I don't know if that'll be within the engine or if they'll use system-provided primitives to handle filled polygons. Either way, since there's already a point within shape test, it would be a nice feature to extend that to overlap shapes. (Actually, I'd prefer that intersect be changed to mean what it says (i.e. two shapes overlap), and a new term be devised for rectangles overlap, but I guess that could break too many existing stacks :-) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
images
I'm still fiddling with the Nine Ball With Spin game. I want to modify the ball images, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do that. I figured out where the images were, in a graphic, but can't figure out any way to actually see the image, save it modify it, load it, etc. Any hints? The property Inspector seems useless in this situation, which seems strange. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to put a dash in front of a menu item
Hi Claudi, Putting a space in front of the dash (or any other character) could solve your problem, if you can live with a space in front of the dash that is. Greetings, Wouter On 26 Jun 2005, at 21:55, Claudi Cornaz wrote: Hi all Still working/improving my demo of a textMenu. It's almost ready. I can now also increase/decrease textsizes. Lighten/darken is just a snap away (it's the same as increase/decrease with a slight twist) and the menu displayscorrectly all attributes. There is just one thing I'd like to add to it: putting a dash in front of a menu(item). Is there a way I can achieve this? This way the user could see if a selection has mixed attributes or if it's all the same. The way I found in the documentation, and after some tests (like putting a \ in front of the - which does'n't give quite the desired effect. ) it doesn't work. As far as I discovered we can put a checkMark or a diamond in front of a menu but not a dash. I hope I am wrong, am I? In case we indeed, can't put a dash in front of a menu, wouldn't this be a usefull enhanchement? Should I, in a yet to figure out way, post this as a request? All best wishes Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Psychedelic Bug?
Hi Scott, Unusual... But documented (in the visual effect command I think...) At present it is not possible to use either Core Image or QT visual effects on alpha-blended windows as a bit of re-architecturing is needed to make the visual effects aware of the alpha-channel in these two cases (this is a known limitation which will be removed as soon as we can). Original (albeit slightly dull) visual effects *should* work but I think there is an update glitch at the moment causing an issue at least on Windows. Warmest Regards, Mark. On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 21:38 -0700, Scott Rossi wrote: Try this on OSX, using a stack with a deep mask applied: lock screen unlock screen with visual dissolve See anything unusual? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Mark Waddingham ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: images
Jon, If it is any help, the balls are buttons with icons. See in the property inspector(for any of the balls) - icons borders, click on the little wand thingey by the icon and id no., choose this stack from the drop down menu and see all the ball icons. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: images I'm still fiddling with the Nine Ball With Spin game. I want to modify the ball images, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do that. I figured out where the images were, in a graphic, but can't figure out any way to actually see the image, save it modify it, load it, etc. Any hints? The property Inspector seems useless in this situation, which seems strange. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
The repeat for each only goes in forward sequential order starting at the beginning, except for arrays where the order is indeterminate. I have requested a sequential access enhancement to allow for constructing this type of looping in a more flexible way (like parallel instantiation, starting at an arbitrary point, and reverse order), to make it possible to wander all over your data sequentially with the speed of the repeat for each method. However, it would be most useful with some improved string delimiter handling. Bugzilla # 2773 Having a reverse order repeat for each might be up to twice as slow as the forward version depending on how it is implemented, because it has to go backwards to the previous delimiter then forward to pick up the data, though it could pick up the data in reverse order on the way back. However, even twice as slow would be much faster than any other method. Dennis On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: It sounds like you're looking for a feature that doesn't yet exist (or at least I'm not aware of it). I could see having a property that defines the direction in which the 'repeat for each' structure does its looping, like this: set the repeatDirection to descending -- or down, reverse, ??? repeat for each element x in y -- actions end repeat That would be a nice feature indeed. No harm in requesting it! Phil Davis I would prefer repeat for each element x in y descending but I doubt whether this would have the performance anywhere close to ascending 'for each' so it is probably pointless to have it. As far as I know, the speed of 'repeat for each' comes from processing elements sequentially and thus without having to recalculate the list pointer position. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: returnInField doesn't work
Hi Fritz On Jun 27, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: My setup is Rev 2.6 on a G4 notebook under Mac OS 10.3.2. The problem: A very simple stack with one field containing text and another field for search purposes. The text is Chinese and so is, of course, the word typed into the search field. The script of the latter uses a returnInField handler to locate text. The same script works fine in the case of Roman text but with the Chinese there is no reaction at all. Nothing happens, nothing. Not even a beep when I added if me is empty then beep to the script. I search Japanese (and Chinese) within a fld successfully. Can you post your script so maybe we can figure out what is not happening correctly? Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:images
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:53:01 -0400 From: Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: images To: Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm still fiddling with the Nine Ball With Spin game. I want to modify the ball images, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do that. I figured out where the images were, in a graphic, but can't figure out any way to actually see the image, save it modify it, load it, etc. Any hints? The property Inspector seems useless in this situation, which seems strange. Jon Jon, I'm not the best person to answer this question but try the following: on mouseUP ask What image to save? if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into theImageToSave ask file Give it what file name? (Don't forget the suffix.) if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into fileName if it is not empty then put binFile:fileName into theLongFileName else exit mouseUp end if put image theImageToSave into url theLongFileName end mouseUP In theImageToSave be sure to include the suffix, e.g. .png This handler should put a file on disk which you can edit in PhotoShop/Elements or whatever. It might be nice if Run Rev included an Export menu option to go with the Import menu option. Somehow the numbers of the ball got lost in some of the iterations of Nine Ball. You will find Nine Ball using Scott's shiny balls *with* attached numbers on my web site: http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: test
ignored On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Heather Nagey wrote: please ignore Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
On Jun 27, 2005, at 1:57 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: repeat for each element x in y descending Now, is that with keys in descending order or elements in descending order? Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sucess compiling Alex Tweedly DLL!
Hi Alejandro, Was quite funny when i saw your emails yesterday; because i've decided to play a bit with the externals during last week-end.. and after having download whatever was exiting on the subject, plus DevC++, plus lot of scans on this list... i did struggle at the same time as you on the same subject. How are you doing with this beast :-) Just now, i've been able to compile and link one external. If you so desire i can send you the makefile i've made for this ( i'm using the Gnu make ) HTH, thierry Alejandro Tejada a écrit : Hi Developers, i remember that Kenneth Simmons has posted a C++ version of the external dll in this page: http://www.rpi.edu/~simonk/mc/mcExternalCPP.zip Following the instructions for compiling this C++ dll in Dev-C++ produced the following errors. Notice these are a lot less than in previous trials with the sdk. :-) - ... make.exe: *** [../mcExternalCPP/external.o] Error 1 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Failing building Standalone on MacOSX 10.3.9 and Tiger 10.4.1
Since Rev 2.6 I have not been able to build any standalone: after setting the Application Setting, then chosen the Save as Standalone Application menu Revolution unexpectedly quits after less than 1-2 secs. I have tried to change settings but could not fix myself. For such a very very annoying situation I filled a blocking bug last week but didn't receive any reply from Runrev. On my desktop the Help menu - Check for updates... replies You have the lastest version of Revolution along with the latest updates. Could anyone tell me if (1) s/he has been able to build standalone under MacOSX 10.3.9+? If yes, how? (2) s/he is aware of such a problem and what to do? On a previous release we had to wait for more than 4 months before Runrev fixes a problem with MacOSX bundles and externals and some days I really ask myself which dev plateform to go on with. I would accept that this problem could be due to a bit of electronic ghost in my hardware but before shaking my head once again to the wall, I prefer to check for other unfortunate MacOSX revolutioners... In advance thanks so much for making me a happy Rev user! JG ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Failing building Standalone on MacOSX 10.3.9 and Tiger 10.4.1
Hello Joël, Le 27 juin 05 à 17:45, Joel Guillod a écrit : I filled a blocking bug last week but didn't receive any reply from Runrev. Would this mean that it's considered as a personal issue... As far I know, nobody reported any *new* problem when building standalones with 2.6 until now. I take the opportunity to remind that it would be better to ask the list before *filling a blocking bug* which, probably, overloads a huge bug database without reason :-) Unfortunately I can't help you since I use 10.4.1 and XP SP2. Check http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com There were many threads about building standalones issues and how to solve them. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANSWER TO OWN QUESTION]Re: Custom Modal List Dialog Methodology
On 6/25/05 2:40 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- wait for modal dialog to quit repeat until gDialogFlag is false wait for messages end repeat Stephen - will this work instead: wait until gDialogFlag is false with messages ?? (always looking for the one-liner...) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: returnInField doesn't work
Ron, Thanks for telling me that you search Japanese (and Chinese) within a fld successfully. Can you post your script so maybe we can figure out what is not happening correctly? I'm most happy to do this. The script itself is of utter simplicity: on returnInField find the text of me in field id 1003 end returnInField I cannot imagine what could be wrong with that since it works with Roman text in other stacks. The font of the two fields involved is specified as Apple LiGothic Medium,Chinese, and it is possible to search text in both of them via the message box. So what could be the problem with returnInField? Thanks in advance, Fritz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: returnInField doesn't work
Friedrich, Try this. It works for Japanese. I don't know Chinese. on returnInField find string me in field id 1003 end returnInField -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ On Jun 27, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: Ron, Thanks for telling me that you search Japanese (and Chinese) within a fld successfully. Can you post your script so maybe we can figure out what is not happening correctly? I'm most happy to do this. The script itself is of utter simplicity: on returnInField find the text of me in field id 1003 end returnInField I cannot imagine what could be wrong with that since it works with Roman text in other stacks. The font of the two fields involved is specified as Apple LiGothic Medium,Chinese, and it is possible to search text in both of them via the message box. So what could be the problem with returnInField? Thanks in advance, Fritz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Menus Driving Me Nuts!
Well I've spent about 4 hours trying to get consistent cross-platform behaviour for two small projects without success! I've looked through the lists for help about menus and tried various suggestions but without success. I have a simple menu structure with a File Edit Help menu bar. All I want is the following: 1) in the development environment on my Mac (OS X 10.3.9, Rev 2.6 build 108), I want to see proper Mac menus (at the top of the screen) with my stack window showing just the objects I expect and no sliding or cropping and no blank space at the top where a Win menu bar would be displayed 2) in the standalone Mac app, I expect the same as above 3) in the standalone Win app, I expect the normal Windows behaviour, i.e. the window is slightly higher with the menu bar at the top and the remaining objects slid down the screen to accommodate it It seems that instead of the above I can get the following, depending on what tricks I try: a) standalone Mac app is fine but standalone Win app has no menu bar b) standalone Win app is fine but standalone Mac app has lost the bottom of its window c) standalone Win app is fine but standalone Mac app has Win-sized window with a blank space at the top where the menu bar would be and everything else moved down The only way I've had some limited success is if I explicitly fix the window height in my preOpenStack handler. Not only is this yuk, it's not fully reliable either! I have tried completely removing and remaking the menus (several times), but nothing works consistently. Also, how come both Mac and Win apps end up with a 'Quit' option in the File menu when the Win standard is 'Exit'? Of course I can fix this with code, but why should I have to, surely you should be able to expect standard behaviour for each platform? In the end I got most of what I want using the following script inside my preOpenStack handler (not nice or obvious but it does work!): if the platform is MacOS then if the environment is not development then put the height of this stack into theHeight set the editMenu of this stack to false show group menuBarName set the height of this stack to theHeight + the height of group menuBarName end if else set the editMenu of this stack to false put the height of this stack into theHeight show group menuBarName set the height of this stack to theHeight + the height of group menuBarName end if I really can't believe how unreliable and torturous it is trying to get standard cross-platform menus. Every time I start a new short project, I spend more time trying to sort out the menus than I do completing the rest of the project! It's now got to the point where I'm considering jumping ship to REALbasic for small projects has I'm so fed up with this fight every time - it's making small projects uneconomical with Rev. Please can someone tell me how to get some reliable sanity into the menu process! Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Sivakatirswami- Friday, June 24, 2005, 10:55:21 PM, you wrote: Sanswer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear S the header info? with No or Yes I understand the intent, but I have to say that I find two yes-or-no questions in a single answer dialog with a single response a bit confusing to the user. Sput theTape into tTruncatedFileName S put char 1 to 13 of (item -1 of theTape) .mp3 into item -1 S of tTruncatedFileName S rename file theTape to tTruncatedFileName ... and here I would check to make sure that file tTruncatedFileName doesn't already exist before trying to rename it... Anyway, glad you found a workaround for now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: returnInField doesn't work
I don't work in anything but Roman languages, but I have noticed some behavior in text fields that has tripped me up before. There can be a difference between the text properties of a field and the properties of the text contained within that field. Before hitting return in the field, try selecting the search text, then setting it manually using the TEXT menu to the desired font in the IDE (or script a select text and set font action) before doing the search and see if that makes a difference. Just a guess...something to try... sqb My setup is Rev 2.6 on a G4 notebook under Mac OS 10.3.2. The problem: A very simple stack with one field containing text and another field for search purposes. The text is Chinese and so is, of course, the word typed into the search field. The script of the latter uses a returnInField handler to locate text. The same script works fine in the case of Roman text but with the Chinese there is no reaction at all. Nothing happens, nothing. Not even a beep when I added if me is empty then beep to the script. It is possible to search the text field from the message box with the find command but this doesn't solve the returnInField problem. Any suggestions most welcome. Fritz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: connecting to a remote mySQL database
This is a documented problem involving the upgrade to MySQL 4.1.1 and beyond. This page will tell you more than you ever wanted to know but should help you fix the problem: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/password-hashing.html On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:23 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote: Hi, I've seen this come by on this list, but I can't seem to remember the solution to the problem. When connecting from rev to a mySQL database (4.1.9) I keep on getting the error Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client. I've used the mySQL Administrator to check the Use old passwords checkbox in the security tab of the startup variables, but no success, the error remains... The error occurs when connecting from a windows RR to localhost as well as when connecting from a OS-X RR to the IP Address. Anyone any advice on how to connect to mySQL 4.1.x? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Printing Causes Rev Standalone to Crash
I'm printing a large number of cards (100-150 cards, each landscape A4) using something like: open printing with dialog repeat with x = 1 to cardsToPrint print card x end repeat close printing However, it gets to the last card and then crashes both Rev and also any standalone I've built doing the same thing. I've tried both Rev 2.5.1 and Rev 6 (under Mac OS X 10.3.9) and get the same result. I've tried a Print Preview and a Print to PDF and both crash out of Rev/standalone! If I do Print Preview, I get nothing after the crash. If I do Print to PDF, I get an incomplete damaged PDF file. The 100-150 cards are actually groups of 4-5 cards with their content being changed and then printed. Basically they are customer records, each of 4-5 pages and I'm trying to print a batch of customers in one go, either directly to the printer or to a PDF file such that the user only has to set the paper size/orientation once and the output options (one/two sided, to print/PDF) once rather than for each customer in a batch (a batch can be 15-25 customers at a time). This looks like a memory problem to me, but I don't know whether there's anything I can tweak to make it go away. Alternatively, is there anyway to set up multiple print runs (i.e. multiple open printing - close printing cycles such that I can get the user to answer the final print dialog just the once and carry over the settings into each subsequent cycle? Any suggestions please? Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Menus Driving Me Nuts!
Peter, I share your menu misery. When they work, as they seem to for most people in most situations, they really are brilliant. When they don't work(colorful/colourful language deleted). A couple things I've learned: Adding menus to a multi-card stack creates problems. If at all possible, add menus before adding cards. Don't put menus in the background group. It seems logical, particularly if you are adding a new menu to a stack with cards, why not just put the menu in the background group to have it appear on all of the existing cards (it will be automatically placed on any new ones) - but, don't do it. Copying the menu group card to card is also, in my experience, unreliable - better to create a new one card stack with the new menu (or delete the existing stack down to one card) and import the data to the new cards. As for the height. If you the above fixes don't help and you have to hard wire the height, set it in an openStack handler - seems something happens to the stack height after the preOpenStack message is sent. Many times I've said There must be a better way. And people have come up with clever workarounds but, as far as I know, none are well documented. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript arithmetic
On 6/27/05 5:03 AM, John Ridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should emphasise that it's a standalone problem - it fails when compiled for Mac OS 9 as well as Windows. Are there known issues like this with the syntax of Transcript when compiled into a standalone? If so, I'd appreciate a pointer. Did you try putting parentheses around relevant items in the equation? It may be an order of operations issue... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Failing building Standalone on MacOSX 10.3.9 and Tiger 10.4.1
On 6/27/05 10:45 AM, Joel Guillod wrote: Could anyone tell me if (1) s/he has been able to build standalone under MacOSX 10.3.9+? If yes, how? (2) s/he is aware of such a problem and what to do? I am using 10.3.9 and I have built standalones without any problem. Have you tried selecting the inclusions manually instead of letting the app builder scan for inclusions? Sometimes that can bypass the problem. Another known problem is file paths with non-ascii characters. Make sure you are saving to a folder that has no French characters in the file path. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Menus Driving Me Nuts!
if my way and experience can help then i hope it does... in multicards, the root of the hierarchy is the stack, then the background, then the card - then the group or what it's the card out of the background - including other background groups. Inmensely flexible but in the raw ;) However with backgrounds, in RunRev and MetaCard, as soon as you add something to a card, the next card you create from that card will inherit the extra stuff (when they are shared like buttons or background like groups. But it's disconcerting since existing cards dont inherit the background behavior of other groups equaly shared... begs the question if they have the same number of cards - false but they share the same screen contrary to the older hypercard - here you would create different cards, put the bgs into them and then you have what you had in HC - structuraly speaking - Rev is a structure powerhouse! So the easiest solution is to make one front end for your data and store your data into a file or another hidden substack. Then your one card, will never be out of synch with the data. That's the easiest way! Not the fastest Cards are too cool too ignore though - thanks to their local behavior - but be careful to change ONE group, not many. Put the menugroup into a comprehensive objects group and your troubles will always be shared across all your cards or improve that quickly! ;) did that make sense? Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 20:31 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Menus Driving Me Nuts! Peter, I share your menu misery. When they work, as they seem to for most people in most situations, they really are brilliant. When they don't work(colorful/colourful language deleted). A couple things I've learned: Adding menus to a multi-card stack creates problems. If at all possible, add menus before adding cards. Don't put menus in the background group. It seems logical, particularly if you are adding a new menu to a stack with cards, why not just put the menu in the background group to have it appear on all of the existing cards (it will be automatically placed on any new ones) - but, don't do it. Copying the menu group card to card is also, in my experience, unreliable - better to create a new one card stack with the new menu (or delete the existing stack down to one card) and import the data to the new cards. As for the height. If you the above fixes don't help and you have to hard wire the height, set it in an openStack handler - seems something happens to the stack height after the preOpenStack message is sent. Many times I've said There must be a better way. And people have come up with clever workarounds but, as far as I know, none are well documented. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A naive question about sub windoes/cards???
All, I've seen stacks where popup windows, complete with a full set of title bar tools and a menubar, can be made to appear, for example, to record preferences. Are these cards? Can new cards be made to be a different size to the first card in a stack? And, how does one make all the controls (radi buttons, fields etc) behave as a single entity (through a group?). This is a whole new level of RR programming for me, so some advice would be very helpful. -- All best wishes, Rob (Created at 20:16 on 27/06/2005) == Prof. Rob Beynon|+44 151 794 4312 (voice) Dept. Veterinary Preclinical|+44 151 794 4243 (fax) Sciences, University of Liverpool, Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ |mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg|http://www.csiv.org == ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Failing building Standalone on MacOSX 10.3.9 and Tiger 10.4.1
I'm also suddenly unable to build standalones on Mac OS X 10.3.9 although I've done so previously. The download site at runrev is not working right now and maybe this has something to do with it. When I try to save as a standalone, the preopenStack and OpenStack messages are sent to my stack and then the whole thing fails. This has never happened to me before. --Tim Bleiler University at Buffalo On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 6/27/05 10:45 AM, Joel Guillod wrote: Could anyone tell me if (1) s/he has been able to build standalone under MacOSX 10.3.9+? If yes, how? (2) s/he is aware of such a problem and what to do? I am using 10.3.9 and I have built standalones without any problem. Have you tried selecting the inclusions manually instead of letting the app builder scan for inclusions? Sometimes that can bypass the problem. Another known problem is file paths with non-ascii characters. Make sure you are saving to a folder that has no French characters in the file path. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: connecting to a remote mySQL database
Will there be a solution from within RR? Anyone know? On 27 Jun 2005, at 19:56, Dan Shafer wrote: This is a documented problem involving the upgrade to MySQL 4.1.1 and beyond. This page will tell you more than you ever wanted to know but should help you fix the problem: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/password-hashing.html On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:23 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote: Hi, I've seen this come by on this list, but I can't seem to remember the solution to the problem. When connecting from rev to a mySQL database (4.1.9) I keep on getting the error Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client. I've used the mySQL Administrator to check the Use old passwords checkbox in the security tab of the startup variables, but no success, the error remains... The error occurs when connecting from a windows RR to localhost as well as when connecting from a OS-X RR to the IP Address. Anyone any advice on how to connect to mySQL 4.1.x? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Hey! I didn't complain about Rev this time! Cheers, Tim Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 MB of RAM (nothing at the moment but quite impressive some years ago :-) All that works perfectly with Tiger as it worked with Jaguar and Panther in the Classic environment :-) I think the reported issues are personal ones ;-) Pay attention to RAM allocation: old system 9 feature, often forgotten since Unix came in... Le 27 juin 05 à 21:40, Timothy Miller a écrit : I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
Hi, Using the following to reverse the order of lines of a field containing 525605 chars in 14194 lines reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap repeat for each line i in x put icr before tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp takes 60 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap split x by return get the keys of x sort it numeric descending repeat for each line i in it put x[i]cr after tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp yields around 0.413007 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) (which is not too bad) The amount of chars and lines has a big influence on the speed in the first handler, while in the second handler it has not. Greetings, Wouter On 27 Jun 2005, at 14:40, Dennis Brown wrote: The repeat for each only goes in forward sequential order starting at the beginning, except for arrays where the order is indeterminate. I have requested a sequential access enhancement to allow for constructing this type of looping in a more flexible way (like parallel instantiation, starting at an arbitrary point, and reverse order), to make it possible to wander all over your data sequentially with the speed of the repeat for each method. However, it would be most useful with some improved string delimiter handling. Bugzilla # 2773 Having a reverse order repeat for each might be up to twice as slow as the forward version depending on how it is implemented, because it has to go backwards to the previous delimiter then forward to pick up the data, though it could pick up the data in reverse order on the way back. However, even twice as slow would be much faster than any other method. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: connecting to a remote mySQL database
Hard to say. People using other development environments are apparently just executing the fix as if it were no big deal and moving on. I don't know how much Rev *can* do here let alone how much they have time/resources for. dan On Jun 27, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote: Will there be a solution from within RR? Anyone know? On 27 Jun 2005, at 19:56, Dan Shafer wrote: This is a documented problem involving the upgrade to MySQL 4.1.1 and beyond. This page will tell you more than you ever wanted to know but should help you fix the problem: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/password-hashing.html On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:23 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote: Hi, I've seen this come by on this list, but I can't seem to remember the solution to the problem. When connecting from rev to a mySQL database (4.1.9) I keep on getting the error Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client. I've used the mySQL Administrator to check the Use old passwords checkbox in the security tab of the startup variables, but no success, the error remains... The error occurs when connecting from a windows RR to localhost as well as when connecting from a OS-X RR to the IP Address. Anyone any advice on how to connect to mySQL 4.1.x? ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
We appreciate constructive criticism. I'm not a trained developer, and just do the best I can... some computer savvy users take your apps and run with them... gives you the false sense that you did a great job with the UI... but I'm learning that's not true as some of my naive users come back to me with questions I never dreamed of... In anticipation of doing more for the public in the not-too-distant future see below On Jun 25, 2005, at 5:57 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Sanswer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear S the header info? with No or Yes I understand the intent, but I have to say that I find two yes-or-no questions in a single answer dialog with a single response a bit confusing to the user. OK I think I understand... better if the buttons describe the actions and don't just throw a boolean at the user... how about this: answer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear the header info? with Cancel or Clear Header Better? skts Sput theTape into tTruncatedFileName S put char 1 to 13 of (item -1 of theTape) .mp3 into item -1 S of tTruncatedFileName S rename file theTape to tTruncatedFileName ... and here I would check to make sure that file tTruncatedFileName doesn't already exist before trying to rename it... Anyway, glad you found a workaround for now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I can report that HC seems to work just fine in Tiger. I don't use it often and I haven't done any new development in it, but the old HC stacks I have lying around before I port them to Rev all seem to run along fat, dumb, and happy. Dan On Jun 27, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 MB of RAM (nothing at the moment but quite impressive some years ago :-) All that works perfectly with Tiger as it worked with Jaguar and Panther in the Classic environment :-) I think the reported issues are personal ones ;-) Pay attention to RAM allocation: old system 9 feature, often forgotten since Unix came in... Le 27 juin 05 à 21:40, Timothy Miller a écrit : I skimmed the thread on Tiger breaks hyperCard. I wasn't too concerned at the time. I'm concluding the process of the OS 9 to OS X transition, once and for all. I'm on 10.3.9. I see its virtues. So, now I need another machine capable of running OS X. I'm thinking about Mac Mini, but they ship with Tiger installed. I will probably need to run hyperCard in classic mode occasionally, at least for the next year or so, until my HC--Rev stacks are totally solid. I inquired on comp.sys.mac.apps. The main players there are usually reliable. They say hyperCard works fine on Tiger, in their experience. So, maybe only certain hyperCard features don't work? Which ones? If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? If Tiger-Breaks-HyperCard (and maybe a lot of other Classic applications, too) is a serious problem, would it be reasonable to replace Tiger with OS 10.3.9 on a new Mac Mini? My instincts say, Don't try it. Since I'm on the topic, I don't mind that the Mac Mini is only a G4. The slow system bus speed concerns me, though -- 167 mhz. OTOH, I am only an occasional user of CPU-intensive applications. Is the slow system bus a serious bottleneck? I know this is a little OT. Sorry. I know this is a Rev group, but many of us are former HC users, some still in transition. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Tim, I have been using HyperCard in Classic ever since there was Classic. There are two issues in Tiger that were not problems in earlier OS X: some plugins will not load and reports made with 9 to 5 Reports do not work. Both of these issues involve a problem with the new way Tiger handles paths. This also affects other applications so I expect to see Apple fix it - they may have already fixed Reports with the 10.4.1 security upgrade, it seems to be working but I no longer use HyperCard enough to do thorough testing. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A naive question about sub windoes/cards???
Your question goes to the heart of Application design and modeling in Revolution, which is a pretty broad topic. However, there are a couple of short answers that might either satisfy your current need or lead you to somewhere else that does. It is entirely possible to include in one Rev stack/application cards/ windows that have different sizes and shapes from others. Doing so requires scripting those cards so that they resize when they open and close but it can be done. I personally never use this approach, but I've seen some apps that worked quite smoothly that use it a lot. In all likelihood, you're experiencing stacks/apps that are done in the new Revolutionary way, that is, with a single mainstack which opens sub-stacks for things like you're describing. Given the fact that you can have a conceptually unlimited number of sub-stacks, all or many of which may have just one card, this design approach has all the virtues of modularity. You can open such sub-stacks so they look and behave like dialog boxes or windows or even sheets on OS X. Your second question about making all the controls behave as a single entity is indeed answered by groups. These are quite powerful and worth spending time getting to understand. You can have multiple groups, shared across all or multiple sub-sets of cards in your stacks, so the possibilities are literally endless. Enjoy Rev programming and know that there's a great community of people here who are eager to help newcomers sort it all out. On Jun 27, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Rob Beynon wrote: All, I've seen stacks where popup windows, complete with a full set of title bar tools and a menubar, can be made to appear, for example, to record preferences. Are these cards? Can new cards be made to be a different size to the first card in a stack? And, how does one make all the controls (radi buttons, fields etc) behave as a single entity (through a group?). This is a whole new level of RR programming for me, so some advice would be very helpful. ~~ Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Thanks a bunch, Eric. That's a big relief. While I'm at it, thanks to Richard Gaskin for his recent reply on another thread regarding stack names, stack labels, file names, etc. Tim Miller Hi Tim, I run a G4 bi-pro with Tiger 10.4.1. HyperCard 2.4.1 US with many additional utilities including 120 externals in use, a 3.4 MB library, color tools, a multi-purposes plugin I wrote many years ago (1.5 MB) and much more... A real HC factory which needs an allocation of 15 --snip-- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
On 6/27/05 2:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: If Tiger breaks hyperCard, it seems like it must break a lot of other Classic applications also, true? I don't run Tiger, but this is what I have heard: Under Tiger, the global file paths which are stored in the Home stack are no longer recognized. If your stacks depend on the Home stack globals, they break. You can't open the script of the Home stack from within the Home stack. You can open it remotely, however (i.e., from some other stack, edit script of stack Home in the message box.) Some report that you cannot edit ANY stack script from within that stack; they must all be accessed remotely as above. Some report that Tiger 10.4.1 fixes the file path problems. Others say it doesn't. Some report that running HC off a non-startup volume fixes things. Others say it doesn't. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Sivakatirswami- Monday, June 27, 2005, 1:30:58 PM, you wrote: S answer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear S the header info? S with S Cancel or Clear Header S Better? I like the Clear Header. That makes it obvious what will happen if I press the button. The concept of Cancel has always bothered me in contexts like this. If you are presenting two questions then there are four possible states for the user. It looks to me like you are taking care of two of those: clear header YN finished -- Y | Clear || N | | Cancel | -- If I'm the user and I'm finished with the last one, what will happen when I press Cancel? Will my changes disappear? If I'm not done what does Cancel mean? What if I'm done with the last one but I don't want to clear the header info? In this last case, I don't really know what you're intending, so I don't know if that's even an option - it may be clear from where I am in the application. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Note to self: ALWAYS apply script changes
I've run into a problem in 2.6 that caused me to lose everything since the previous save. Twice! Which just goes to show ya -- it takes repetition to teach an old dog new tricks. Very likely I'm the only twit who would actually follow the sequence of events I'll outline here, but just in case someone else does, don't! The end result is that I get myself into a position where I try to Save but instead, Rev immediately quits without saving anything. Don't know if this can be classed as a bug or just as something stupid not to do. But the problem can be reproduced with the following clever steps (BTW, I'm using Windows XP - which should have been punishment enough - and Rev 2.6): 1. Open a stack or start a new one. 2. Make some changes -- insert new objects, move objects around, etc. 3. Create a new button. 4. Open the script editor for that button and put something into it. 5. But now, you're thinking I wonder if ... and you think you'll take a look at something else in the stack behind the script editor. So you move the script editor out of the way. Note that the script has not been Applied because you're not finished with it yet. -- BIG MISTAKE 6. You look at the something else in your stack and then realize you don't need that new button after all. So you delete the button (yeah -- its script is still open!) 7. Better save, right? So press Ctrl+S to save and thus the trouble begins. At this point, a message opens in your unapplied script window: The object you are editing appears to have been removed or deleted. Do you want to copy the text you are editing to the clipboard before closing this script? along with a Close button and a Copy and close button. (A Cancel button would have been s nice!) So you click one of the buttons and then, to your amazement, everything disappears -- i.e., Rev quits and you lose all the changes you've made. Once I stopped pounding my head on the desk, I played around with this a bit and found that these seem to be the triggers that cause the problem: a) Using 2.6 is a trigger -- in 2.5.1, the Save dialogue appears FIRST to let you save and the error only appears when you quit so there is no calamity. b) Using Ctrl+S is a trigger -- if I use File | Save instead, the Save dialogue appears and lets you save. c) Not applying script changes is a definite trigger -- if I Apply first, deleting the button has no severe effect even if its script is still open. I can even use Ctrl+S in this case and the stack will still save after the error message has been dismissed. So the moral of this story, class, is to ALWAYS APPLY SCRIPT CHANGES before looking at something else even if you are not finished with the script. ... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A naive question about sub windoes/cards???
These pop-up windows will generally be single card sub-stacks of the main stack. If you're coming from Hypercard, you need to get your head around the fact that in Rev, a stack file can contain one mainstack and as many sub-stacks as you want, each having it's own size and even shape. Cheers, Mark On 27 Jun 2005, at 20:19, Rob Beynon wrote: All, I've seen stacks where popup windows, complete with a full set of title bar tools and a menubar, can be made to appear, for example, to record preferences. Are these cards? Can new cards be made to be a different size to the first card in a stack? And, how does one make all the controls (radi buttons, fields etc) behave as a single entity (through a group?). This is a whole new level of RR programming for me, so some advice would be very helpful. -- All best wishes, Rob (Created at 20:16 on 27/06/2005) == Prof. Rob Beynon|+44 151 794 4312 (voice) Dept. Veterinary Preclinical|+44 151 794 4243 (fax) Sciences, University of Liverpool, Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ |mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg|http://www.csiv.org == ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
Wouter, I'm not sure what this example has to do with the question on the thread, but you first example is a speed killer. Putting things in front of a string causes the whole string to be shuffled to make room for the inserted string. It is a worst case situation --although I can always come up with a way to make it slower. It would be faster to use the slower repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 and then put the lines after like your second example. Splitting into an array is usually a good approach if the repeat for each construct will not work. However, it does take time to do the split. A repeat for each could process the whole string in less time than it takes to split it if a repeat for each fits the problem. In your second example, sorting the keys will also take time. You might be better off with just a simple repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 as the array index. You would have to try it on your array to see. Dennis On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Wouter wrote: Hi, Using the following to reverse the order of lines of a field containing 525605 chars in 14194 lines reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap repeat for each line i in x put icr before tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp takes 60 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap split x by return get the keys of x sort it numeric descending repeat for each line i in it put x[i]cr after tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp yields around 0.413007 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) (which is not too bad) The amount of chars and lines has a big influence on the speed in the first handler, while in the second handler it has not. Greetings, Wouter On 27 Jun 2005, at 14:40, Dennis Brown wrote: The repeat for each only goes in forward sequential order starting at the beginning, except for arrays where the order is indeterminate. I have requested a sequential access enhancement to allow for constructing this type of looping in a more flexible way (like parallel instantiation, starting at an arbitrary point, and reverse order), to make it possible to wander all over your data sequentially with the speed of the repeat for each method. However, it would be most useful with some improved string delimiter handling. Bugzilla # 2773 Having a reverse order repeat for each might be up to twice as slow as the forward version depending on how it is implemented, because it has to go backwards to the previous delimiter then forward to pick up the data, though it could pick up the data in reverse order on the way back. However, even twice as slow would be much faster than any other method. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Hi Ti, Jacque and Chris, I haven't done any new development with HC since years but I reopen it often to get some old recipes in my huge lib. I made some experiments running 10.4.1. I have to add (according to Jacque and Chris comments) that HC is located on a non-startup disk dedicated to Classic only. I experimented that script editing works fine, start using and third party tools as windowScript too. The only problem I found (but I did not search very deep :-) is that if new folder filepaths are well stored in the home stack (as they have to be according to user navigation) they obviously can't be used by the engine to open without dialog the stacks which are NOT in the same folder than HC itself. This affects mainly the navigation buttons located on the home stack but can't be a real problem for any project :-) Le 27 juin 05 à 23:18, J. Landman Gay a écrit : I don't run Tiger, but this is what I have heard: Under Tiger, the global file paths which are stored in the Home stack are no longer recognized. If your stacks depend on the Home stack globals, they break. You can't open the script of the Home stack from within the Home stack. You can open it remotely, however (i.e., from some other stack, edit script of stack Home in the message box.) Some report that you cannot edit ANY stack script from within that stack; they must all be accessed remotely as above. Some report that Tiger 10.4.1 fixes the file path problems. Others say it doesn't. Some report that running HC off a non-startup volume fixes things. Others say it doesn't. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: compileIt for revolution?
Jon wrote: I already posted the code and announced it on this list: look for my image processor in my user space, open a large image (at least 1000x1000), select Bright, and then Linear. Jon - I got an error trying to download your stack from RevOnline. Did you try to upload it (or change its name / description) over the weekend while the servers were dodgy ? Could you maybe either reload it, or if necessary contact Rev support so they know they need to figure out why it won't download (Currently it gives an error File not Found The URL you have entered points to an unknown file. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Jim Hurley wrote: I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know whether this is true? Tiger does not include Classic, and I don't think Jaguar did either. So if you don't have an old install you'll have to re-install from an OS 9 CD. If this is a first Mac and you don't have an OS 9 CD, you're hosed. Half a decade into OS X, Apple is moving agressively to kill OS 9. The new MacTel machines will seal Classic's fate, as IIRC the Classic layer will be ported. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: returnInField doesn't work
Hi Friedrich, I'm sure Kenji's suggestion will do what you want to do. It might be helpful for you to read the find command in the docs to understand the various types of find and why one works for unicode and others don't. Along with Kenji's method, I also use offset: put the number of chars of the text of me into endchar put offset(findword,fld id 1003) into startchar if startchar is not 0 then select char startchar to startchar+endchar-1 of fld id 1003 end if hth Ron On Jun 28, 2005, at 1:55 AM, Kenji Kojima wrote: Friedrich, Try this. It works for Japanese. I don't know Chinese. on returnInField find string me in field id 1003 end returnInField -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ On Jun 27, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: Ron, Thanks for telling me that you search Japanese (and Chinese) within a fld successfully. Can you post your script so maybe we can figure out what is not happening correctly? I'm most happy to do this. The script itself is of utter simplicity: on returnInField find the text of me in field id 1003 end returnInField I cannot imagine what could be wrong with that since it works with Roman text in other stacks. The font of the two fields involved is specified as Apple LiGothic Medium,Chinese, and it is possible to search text in both of them via the message box. So what could be the problem with returnInField? Thanks in advance, Fritz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: images
Jim: Thanks so much for the handler, but 1) it would not compile as written, and 2) after I managed to get it to compile (probably by butchering it), it did nothing useful. I tried words like image and icon and only managed to get a number written into a file. If you had the time, I would appreciate it if you could make the code work. After an hour or so of fiddling, I know I can't. Sigh. All I'm trying to do is to move Scott's shiny numbered balls [sic] into the current set of code I'm running for the Nine Ball stack. Should be simple, right? Jon Jim Hurley wrote: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:53:01 -0400 From: Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: images To: Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com I'm still fiddling with the Nine Ball With Spin game. I want to modify the ball images, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do that. I figured out where the images were, in a graphic, but can't figure out any way to actually see the image, save it modify it, load it, etc. Any hints? The property Inspector seems useless in this situation, which seems strange. Jon Jon, I'm not the best person to answer this question but try the following: on mouseUP ask What image to save? if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into theImageToSave ask file Give it what file name? (Don't forget the suffix.) if it is empty then exit mouseUp put it into fileName if it is not empty then put binFile:fileName into theLongFileName else exit mouseUp end if put image theImageToSave into url theLongFileName end mouseUP In theImageToSave be sure to include the suffix, e.g. .png This handler should put a file on disk which you can edit in PhotoShop/Elements or whatever. It might be nice if Run Rev included an Export menu option to go with the Import menu option. Somehow the numbers of the ball got lost in some of the iterations of Nine Ball. You will find Nine Ball using Scott's shiny balls *with* attached numbers on my web site: http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: connecting to a remote mySQL database
When connecting from rev to a mySQL database (4.1.9) I keep on getting the error Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client. I've used the mySQL Administrator to check the Use old passwords checkbox in the security tab of the startup variables, but no success, the error remains... The error occurs when connecting from a windows RR to localhost as well as when connecting from a OS-X RR to the IP Address. Anyone any advice on how to connect to mySQL 4.1.x? Try this solution: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/056883.html Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
Sivakatirswami, I would leave the No and Yes buttons and just change the text: answer Are you finished with the last one? This will clear the header info. with No or Yes or maybe clarify what the last one is: answer If you are finished, do you want to clear the header information? with No or Yes HTH TOm On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: We appreciate constructive criticism. I'm not a trained developer, and just do the best I can... some computer savvy users take your apps and run with them... gives you the false sense that you did a great job with the UI... but I'm learning that's not true as some of my naive users come back to me with questions I never dreamed of... In anticipation of doing more for the public in the not-too-distant future see below On Jun 25, 2005, at 5:57 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Sanswer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear S the header info? with No or Yes I understand the intent, but I have to say that I find two yes-or-no questions in a single answer dialog with a single response a bit confusing to the user. OK I think I understand... better if the buttons describe the actions and don't just throw a boolean at the user... how about this: answer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear the header info? with Cancel or Clear Header Better? skts Sput theTape into tTruncatedFileName S put char 1 to 13 of (item -1 of theTape) .mp3 into item -1 S of tTruncatedFileName S rename file theTape to tTruncatedFileName ... and here I would check to make sure that file tTruncatedFileName doesn't already exist before trying to rename it... Anyway, glad you found a workaround for now. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Causes Rev Standalone to Crash
I'm printing a large number of cards (100-150 cards, each landscape A4) using something like: open printing with dialog repeat with x = 1 to cardsToPrint print card x end repeat close printing However, it gets to the last card and then crashes both Rev and also any standalone I've built doing the same thing. I've tried both Rev 2.5.1 and Rev 6 (under Mac OS X 10.3.9) and get the same result. I've tried a Print Preview and a Print to PDF and both crash out of Rev/standalone! If I do Print Preview, I get nothing after the crash. If I do Print to PDF, I get an incomplete damaged PDF file. A few weeks ago, someone reported crashes when printing large numbers of cards/pages. Can you split your print job into smaller batches? Also, make sure that you aren't trying to print a card that doesn't exist. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
copy of bounced message
Alex: Thanks for your interest. Rather than bothering the Rev folks, just try www.jonbondy.com/jlbimage.rev :) Jon Alex Tweedly wrote: Jon wrote: I already posted the code and announced it on this list: look for my image processor in my user space, open a large image (at least 1000x1000), select Bright, and then Linear. Jon - I got an error trying to download your stack from RevOnline. Did you try to upload it (or change its name / description) over the weekend while the servers were dodgy ? Could you maybe either reload it, or if necessary contact Rev support so they know they need to figure out why it won't download (Currently it gives an error File not Found The URL you have entered points to an unknown file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: images
Jon, Sorry, forgot to tell you how to get a copy of the image, which is what you actually asked. Use export. on mouseUp export image scottRed7.png to file ball7.png as PNG end mouseUp This will save the image into the same folder as the stack. You can give a filepath if you want, and save in whatever format you want. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pat Trendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Re: images Jon, If it is any help, the balls are buttons with icons. See in the property inspector(for any of the balls) - icons borders, click on the little wand thingey by the icon and id no., choose this stack from the drop down menu and see all the ball icons. Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: images I'm still fiddling with the Nine Ball With Spin game. I want to modify the ball images, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do that. I figured out where the images were, in a graphic, but can't figure out any way to actually see the image, save it modify it, load it, etc. Any hints? The property Inspector seems useless in this situation, which seems strange. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Causes Rev Standalone to Crash
I'm printing a large number of cards (100-150 cards, each landscape A4) using something like: open printing with dialog repeat with x = 1 to cardsToPrint print card x end repeat close printing However, it gets to the last card and then crashes both Rev and also any standalone I've built doing the same thing. I've tried both Rev 2.5.1 and Rev 6 (under Mac OS X 10.3.9) and get the same result. I've tried a Print Preview and a Print to PDF and both crash out of Rev/standalone! If I do Print Preview, I get nothing after the crash. If I do Print to PDF, I get an incomplete damaged PDF file. A few weeks ago, someone reported crashes when printing large numbers of cards/pages. Can you split your print job into smaller batches? Also, make sure that you aren't trying to print a card that doesn't exist. Cheers, Sarah Unfortunately I have the requirement to be able to ether print to paper or to PDF and if I split into smaller batches, I'll end up with a separate PDF file for each batch. Also, it only prints the cards it's got. Do you know if this is already a bugzilla report (crashing when printing large number of pages) or should I file it? Cheers Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
Dennis, I thought the original question on this thread was: Hi list, Is there a way to use repeat for each element thisIndexTerm in listOfTerms in reverse order, like in repeat with i=number of items of myVar down to 1 ? Thanks, JB which has changed to a feature request only later on in the thread. This feature request would be nice, but doesn't solve the problem right now. My answer and there you are right, I should have placed it as a reply to JB's original question and not to yours, was only to help out and show some peculiarities of the different solutions proposed, which were: The first method I mentioned (which you called a speed killer) is *not* fast at all when the number of lines exceed a certain level (depending on cpu). And the larger the number of chars in those lines the slower the performance. The second method on the contrary doesn't increase processing time in the same way the first method does and is by far the better solution for larger amounts of lines and chars. Greetings, Wouter On 28 Jun 2005, at 00:51, Wouter wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon 27 Jun 2005 23:58:13 GMT+02:00 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: repeat for each in reverse order ? Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Wouter, I'm not sure what this example has to do with the question on the thread, but you first example is a speed killer. Putting things in front of a string causes the whole string to be shuffled to make room for the inserted string. It is a worst case situation -- although I can always come up with a way to make it slower. It would be faster to use the slower repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 and then put the lines after like your second example. Splitting into an array is usually a good approach if the repeat for each construct will not work. However, it does take time to do the split. A repeat for each could process the whole string in less time than it takes to split it if a repeat for each fits the problem. In your second example, sorting the keys will also take time. You might be better off with just a simple repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 as the array index. You would have to try it on your array to see. Dennis On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Wouter wrote: Hi, Using the following to reverse the order of lines of a field containing 525605 chars in 14194 lines reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap repeat for each line i in x put icr before tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp takes 60 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap split x by return get the keys of x sort it numeric descending repeat for each line i in it put x[i]cr after tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp yields around 0.413007 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) (which is not too bad) The amount of chars and lines has a big influence on the speed in the first handler, while in the second handler it has not. Greetings, Wouter On 27 Jun 2005, at 14:40, Dennis Brown wrote: The repeat for each only goes in forward sequential order starting at the beginning, except for arrays where the order is indeterminate. I have requested a sequential access enhancement to allow for constructing this type of looping in a more flexible way (like parallel instantiation, starting at an arbitrary point, and reverse order), to make it possible to wander all over your data sequentially with the speed of the repeat for each method. However, it would be most useful with some improved string delimiter handling. Bugzilla # 2773 Having a reverse order repeat for each might be up to twice as slow as the forward version depending on how it is implemented, because it has to go backwards to the previous delimiter then forward to pick up the data, though it could pick up the data in reverse order on the way back. However, even twice as slow would be much faster than any other method. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
Wouter, I was under the impression that JB wanted to read a list sequentially in reverse with the repeat for each to make it go faster, not reverse the list. The split into an array is going to be faster at reading the list in any order given that the repeat for each in reverse does not exist. However, If we were given a more complete definition of the problem, then perhaps the list could have generated a truly optimized solution. For instance, I have had to create some solutions for doing stuff in reverse to a list, that I managed to use repeat for each loops that ran much faster than splitting. A genius might be able to find all kinds of clever ways to use the existing Transcript capabilities, but it would sure be nice if the language allowed us mere mortals to tackle a problem in a straight forward way without suffering orders of magnitude speed penalties. As a matter of course, figuring out how to use arrays is one of the most straight forward ways to manage data. Arrays are not the fastest nor the most space efficient, but they are usually a reasonable compromise for most problems. I see that our scripting conferences has nothing for arrays in the queue. This might be a good topic based on the number of times it is used as a solution for newbie questions. Dennis On Jun 27, 2005, at 8:54 PM, Buster wrote: Dennis, I thought the original question on this thread was: Hi list, Is there a way to use repeat for each element thisIndexTerm in listOfTerms in reverse order, like in repeat with i=number of items of myVar down to 1 ? Thanks, JB which has changed to a feature request only later on in the thread. This feature request would be nice, but doesn't solve the problem right now. My answer and there you are right, I should have placed it as a reply to JB's original question and not to yours, was only to help out and show some peculiarities of the different solutions proposed, which were: The first method I mentioned (which you called a speed killer) is *not* fast at all when the number of lines exceed a certain level (depending on cpu). And the larger the number of chars in those lines the slower the performance. The second method on the contrary doesn't increase processing time in the same way the first method does and is by far the better solution for larger amounts of lines and chars. Greetings, Wouter On 28 Jun 2005, at 00:51, Wouter wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon 27 Jun 2005 23:58:13 GMT+02:00 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: repeat for each in reverse order ? Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Wouter, I'm not sure what this example has to do with the question on the thread, but you first example is a speed killer. Putting things in front of a string causes the whole string to be shuffled to make room for the inserted string. It is a worst case situation --although I can always come up with a way to make it slower. It would be faster to use the slower repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 and then put the lines after like your second example. Splitting into an array is usually a good approach if the repeat for each construct will not work. However, it does take time to do the split. A repeat for each could process the whole string in less time than it takes to split it if a repeat for each fits the problem. In your second example, sorting the keys will also take time. You might be better off with just a simple repeat for i=number of lines in x down to 1 as the array index. You would have to try it on your array to see. Dennis On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Wouter wrote: Hi, Using the following to reverse the order of lines of a field containing 525605 chars in 14194 lines reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap repeat for each line i in x put icr before tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp takes 60 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) reversing by: on mouseUp put fld 1 into x put the long seconds into zap split x by return get the keys of x sort it numeric descending repeat for each line i in it put x[i]cr after tList end repeat put the long seconds - zap put tList into fld 1 end mouseUp yields around 0.413007 seconds on a slowbook (G4 400 mhz) (which is not too bad) The amount of chars and lines has a big influence on the speed in the first handler, while in the second handler it has not. Greetings, Wouter On 27 Jun 2005, at 14:40, Dennis Brown wrote: The repeat for each only goes in forward sequential order starting at the beginning, except for arrays where the order is indeterminate. I have requested a sequential access enhancement to allow for constructing this type of looping in a more flexible way
Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
I am not the first to suggest that debugging the script editor is fundamental. Personally, it drives me nuts every time I use it. I can never get the indents quite where I want them, and the editor quite easily gets confused. In my opinion, this is because it tries to be too clever by analysing the actual content of what we are typing. For example, if a type an IF - THEN statement, it will indent the next line because it expects me to type the next part. But I prefer to make the next line blank and then type End If before I forget it. This simple act is enough for the editor to get confused. Here is my suggestion: 1) An indent, actioned when I press the TAB key a single time, really consists of 4 blank characters. If I press TAB continuously, I get 4, 8, 12, 16... blanks on the left hand side. If I press BACKSPACE, a single indent (4 blank characters) is removed. However, if I press the LEFT ARROW key, the cursor will be positioned backwards one character at a time, including through the spaces that constitute the indents. In contrast, while the RIGHT ARROW key moves the cursor one character to the right, the DELETE key also removes a single character in front of the cursor, including the spaces constituting an indent. 2) From the cursor position in the middle or at the end of a line I have already typed, if I press ENTER to go to the next line, the indentation is exactly the same as the line above it (but I can change this by using the TAB or BACKSPACE keys on the indent(s) afterwards if I want). 3) If I position the cursor on the left of a line I have already typed and then press ENTER, a new apparently blank line is created above it. However, if I click the mouse on this new line way out on the right, or I press the UP ARROW key to navigate to it, the cursor is placed in the DEFAULT cursor position, which corresponds to the indentation of the original line where ENTER was typed. In a nutshell, the indentation of lines created above or below an existing line have the same initial indentation(s) as the existing line. The editor does not attempt to analyse what I am typing. However, that said, perhaps the way of creating a new handler could be left as it is, i.e., after typing on whatever, the next line is indented and end whatever is added automatically. That's it. I hope it will not put MAC users off if I tell you that I have simply tried to describe the way the VB6 editor works, so for an example of how well this simple system functions, I suggest taking a look at VB6. I think it was Picasso who once said, Good artists copy, but great artists steal! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Confirm Long File Name Bug in Player Object
basic but still intriquing discussion, tks for bearing with it. It seems overly subtle perhaps, but not really... I had a user use select her entire transcript and CUT and it disappeared... she wrote me an email asking what to do ! I wrote back... Just paste it back again... of course by then it was too late. Anyway, I'm using send the app to save itself now every 5 minutes and will shortly cause the whole thing to dump the .xml file one each save *and* save the transcript into a global they can revert too as a triple safety against losing work. So if my app or my rev player stand alone or their system goes up in smoke, they will have their work up to the last five minutes on the hard drive. Point: these kinds of users are very easily confused and will just stop in their tracks if things don't seem obvious. I like your 2 questions 4 states diagram. Made me think my problem is in the use of finished which is ambiquous because what it really means is a) user has completde transcription of the last .mp3 file, has proofread the text and successfully uploaded the xml file to our server here and is ready to start a new one... clean slate... b) Having done that, and downloaded some new lectures to transcribe, they are supposed to then select a new audio file to transcribe. This dialog is a fail safe to make sure they actually completed a) above before starting a new one... if they do start a new one, the data in the substack header is cleared... Also clearing the header is a really an internal maintenance thing, like wiping off the black board the next class... the students in the next class really don't need to know about that event any more than we need to tell them I am about to put empty into all the globals in this stack... [i.e. in answer to your question... no, the user would never want to retain the header info when starting a new transcript.] All we really need to do is check ask the user if they succeed with a) above and then proceed. How about this (using Thomas's idea to just re-write the question...) : Answer Was your last transcript complete and successfully uploaded? with Yes or No Sivakatirswami On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Sivakatirswami- Monday, June 27, 2005, 1:30:58 PM, you wrote: S answer Are you finished with the last one? If so, shall I clear S the header info? S with S Cancel or Clear Header S Better? I like the Clear Header. That makes it obvious what will happen if I press the button. The concept of Cancel has always bothered me in contexts like this. If you are presenting two questions then there are four possible states for the user. It looks to me like you are taking care of two of those: clear header YN finished -- Y | Clear || N | | Cancel | -- If I'm the user and I'm finished with the last one, what will happen when I press Cancel? Will my changes disappear? If I'm not done what does Cancel mean? What if I'm done with the last one but I don't want to clear the header info? In this last case, I don't really know what you're intending, so I don't know if that's even an option - it may be clear from where I am in the application. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN Daily Crytoquote--my misspelling
Marielle- Thursday, June 23, 2005, 3:08:45 AM, you wrote: ML If you use the url below, you will directly get to see the list of words which ML have a frequency of 10 or more. ML http://lexicall.org/repository/results.php?mtd_file=data%2F2_words%2Fenglish%2Fdb_mrc.mtdflds%5B1%5D=WORDminvals%5B5%5D=10submit=Submit ML Make you enter it as a continuous line in your browser, the 500 words limit has ML been removed and will remain so for a week, so you will see the full list on ML your screen. Be patient - 10262 words. Yes, but a lot of duplicates. If you filter out the dupes you end up with 5066 words. on RemoveDuplicates pWordList local tFileName local tWordList local aWords repeat for each line tLine in pWordList put x into aWords[tLine] end repeat put the keys of aWords into tWordList sort tWordList return tWordList end RemoveDuplicates -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: repeat for each in reverse order ?
On 6/27/05 8:22 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: I see that our scripting conferences has nothing for arrays in the queue. This might be a good topic based on the number of times it is used as a solution for newbie questions. Noted. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Causes Rev Standalone to Crash
On 6/27/05 7:29 PM, Peter Reid wrote: Unfortunately I have the requirement to be able to ether print to paper or to PDF and if I split into smaller batches, I'll end up with a separate PDF file for each batch. Also, it only prints the cards it's got. Do you know if this is already a bugzilla report (crashing when printing large number of pages) or should I file it? Yes, it's in there. It wouldn't hurt to add a comment and/or an example stack if you want: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2871 -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Failing building Standalone on MacOSX 10.3.9 and Tiger 10.4.1
On 6/27/05 2:26 PM, Timothy Bleiler wrote: I'm also suddenly unable to build standalones on Mac OS X 10.3.9 although I've done so previously. The download site at runrev is not working right now and maybe this has something to do with it. When I try to save as a standalone, the preopenStack and OpenStack messages are sent to my stack and then the whole thing fails. This has never happened to me before. I'm on 10.3.9 and I just made a test standalone with Rev 2.6.5 without any problem. Does it work for you with a different stack? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Is this coming through? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Test
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Re: Test
Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote: Is this coming through? .sdrawkcab si ti tub ,seY . ) t o n ( y n n u f o s e r ' u o Y Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Test
On 6/27/05 11:50 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote: Is this coming through? .sdrawkcab si ti tub ,seY . ) t o n ( y n n u f o s e r ' u o Y ...draobyek ym nrut dluohs I ebyaM .tiaW .hO flip over... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
