Oragami

[Scott Kane]

Hi folks,

M$ have just released a virtual machine for their
Oragami hand held.  Supposedly anything that runs
on XP should run on Oragami.  The virtual machine
link is below.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c01c822-e6d2-4
240-9fb3-b00e8ff4fbbf&DisplayLang=en

Cheers

Scott

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Re: Change image to another image in stack

[Garrett Hylltun]

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

Rev 2.6.1

How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
is also contained in the same stack?


You'll love this, it's so...x-talky:

  put  into 

Like this:

  put img 1 into img 2



Yeah tell me about it.  I'm sitting here trying to use "fileName" to no 
avail.  I knew it was something as simple as this!


I now hate asking questions about Rev, because I know the answer is 
going to be so damn simple that I'm going to feel like an idiot when I 
see it!  ;-)


Ken Ray, J. Landman Gay, thanks a bunch for helping me :-)
-Garrett
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Re: Secure download location

[kee nethery]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an  
update of my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep  
the URL from being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp  
route, but my username and password show up in the browser history,  
which is, of course, not good!


I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look  
at the Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not  
less confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the  
difference between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to  
protect myself from people just downloading the software who  
haven't paid, but make it easy for those who have paid to download  
the latest version. Because it's a low-dollar item I can't afford  
to be manually processing stuff - I want my computer & web site to  
take care of 99% (that's why they made computers - right!?).


There are two things to consider. FTP is pretty open. If you give  
someone the FTP URL, that IS the FTP URL. It is pretty difficult to  
hide that URL. So whatever you do, you have to assume that payees and  
non-payees will see the URL.


My suggestion is that you have a web page that is public that  
contains some static data. Your app would query that as it's download  
update. There would be the latest version number in plain text and  
some other data that is encrypted. Your app would decrypt the  
download data (if it is the paid version assuming there is a  
difference between paid and unpaid) and the decrypted data would have  
some obscure URL. It would go to the obscure URL to actually download  
the latest version. The unpaid version would not be able to decrypt  
the information and would thus not be able to see the obscure  
download URL. Maybe once a week, move the latest version to another  
location and alter the static file to match.


You could have the FTP server require a login with their reg code as  
either their user name or their password. I think you could add bad  
reg codes to the list on the FTP server and reject them, preventing  
them from downloading. I think you can do that in the .htaccess file  
on the FTP server.


Summary:

1. have there be a difference between paid and unpaid copies.
2. use that difference to decode a static web page that has the  
latest version URL encrypted on it.
3. use the FTP server permissions to prevent pirated reg codes from  
getting upgrades.


Kee Nethery
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Re: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

> Yes. I saw it once (and bugzillaed it), and it has come into the tech

I got it and BZed it as well, but I couldn't reproduce it.

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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Mark Wieder]

Kay-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 5:10:00 PM, you wrote:

> convert tMyDay from short date to long date

> but I still only end up with 24 hours, just not enough to do everything I
> want to do in life:-)

convert time to money -- doesn't work either...

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Re: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Judy Perry]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Kay C Lan wrote:

> So I can only surmise that you must be happy that Media will be cheaper than
> DreamCard.

Well, yes, because I think it costs the company nothing and has the
potential to bring in a certain class of users who are now or would likely
be scared witless by something that involved diving into "scripting"
right off the bat and that didn't have a bunch of pre-builts (aka
templates).  I think it may well end up being the seductive agent for the
PowerPoint crowd and is priced accordingly.  Now they just need to get it
noticed...

This doesn't, however, mean that I am happy to see DC go away.

> For what it's worth I started with Rev Express way back when. It was free.
> In many ways this turned me off Rev because what was so easy was made so
> difficult by the need to work around the 10 line limit. I thought it rather
> strange that Rev had entire Doc section on how to work around the 10 line
> limit! During that time I spent little time scripting because I just didn't
> enjoy it.

Yes, I started back when it was MetaCard for the Mac.  Same 10-line
limitation for the free version, only a vastly uglier interface.  I still
don't understand people's unhappiness with the 10-line limited FREE
version.  I mean, I'm supremely irritated that I've spent the better part
of three days searching for a whatever-crippled Bryce demo...

I am happy to pay to the extent I can to support keeping the product (Rev)
alive and growing.  FWIW, I have purchased personal copies above and
beyond what I've been able to get the university to buy for me.

> If programing is in your blood then the 'intrinsic' quality will be
> different for everyone. Repeatedly from those who make a living out of using
> Rev we read that they consider it too cheap. For those who use Rev as a
> hobby, they want it a little cheaper and I think Rev has moved that way.
>
> Plastic, die cast, or brass model train.
>
> Media, Studio or Enterprise. Each will find their level of intrinsic value =
> $$$ spent.

Yup!

Judy

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Re: Change image to another image in stack

[J. Landman Gay]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

Rev 2.6.1

How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
is also contained in the same stack?


You'll love this, it's so...x-talky:

  put  into 

Like this:

  put img 1 into img 2

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[J. Landman Gay]

Kay C Lan wrote:


Oh yeah, one of these days I'd just love to give it a go, but I first need
to figure out how to script 25 hours into a day. Anyone got any examples I
could use


I am still working on my time warp stack, which I started next year and 
plan to finish by last week.


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Bugs bunnies

[David Vaughan]

"I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than  
100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!"


Good thought, I thought, but what if RunRev could not target quite  
that well? What if there were 77% of the functionality with, alas, 6%  
bugs, or 55% functionality with 1% bugs? Would either of those be  
acceptable? Fortunately, I have a solution to this conundrum and  
expect soon to become very rich :-)


I propose that all interested parties complete the following simple  
exercise and send the results  to me. For every percentage of  
functionality between 50 and 100 and every bug percentage from 25 to  
0, rate each of the 1326 combinations on a desirability scale from 0  
(min) to 9 (max). From this I will be able to derive a mathematical  
function, probably polynomial, which will describe to RunRev the  
average risk profile of their user base. Oh, it is also essential  
that you define accurately for me what constitutes a percentage of  
functionality, or what is a percentage of bugs. Also, what punishment  
should we inflict if a fug or bunction is accidentally missed?


If your point is that, generally speaking, you prefer reliability to  
features then welcome to a diverse community, You may or may not find  
yourself in the tail of a Bell curve at the far end of which is a set  
of users devoted to cutting edge functionality at the cost of several  
work-arounds and in the middle of which is a large group of people  
who use the product with varying levels of delight or discomfort.  
Uncomfortable people exist at both ends of the scale, not only on the  
side you personally inhabit. This seething mass of desires and groans  
is what RunRev happily call "a market".


The weekend will be here soon; then they might like to have a  
Scotch  :-D


cheers
David

Post Script: I stripped the name of the person who originated the  
quotation above because they are undoubtedly frustrated by a problem  
which they currently are unable to get around. I am commenting on the  
problems involved in simple expressions of needs.

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Re: Change image to another image in stack

[Ken Ray]

On 3/9/06 9:07 PM, "Garrett Hylltun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that
> is also contained in the same stack?

  put  into 

for example:

  put img "Train" of card 2 of stack "mySubstack" into img "Sample"

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: sort of OT, CD names to iTunes

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/8/06, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> As for OK vs Next in iTunes, note that if you've burned the tracks to
> CD before importing to iTunes, cmd-I (Get Info) on the CD with no
> track selected lets you fill in album-title and album-artist (and
> album-composer if there's only one) just once, leaving only track
> names and composers to be filled in.


Ah, brilliant. You learn something new every day.

Fortunately for me I've digitized and loaded into iTunes 95% of my LPs that
I want to keep, I only have a handful of CDs left to burn so thankfully this
whole process is basically over for me:-)

Currently listening to Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like I Do, served by
iTunes on an old G4 'sawtooth' feeding wirelessly to a Roku SoundBridge
connected to my stereo at the other end of the house which is partiallially
controlled (Volume mainly) by a Rev Stack I wrote which resides on the G4
PowerBook that I'm using right now in my study:-)

The house is a rockin' so don't bother knockin':-)
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Re: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/10/06, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> And while I am not sounding the call for a dozen weepy violins, I suspect
> that other educators on the list might well tell similar tales.


So I can only surmise that you must be happy that Media will be cheaper than
DreamCard.

For what it's worth I started with Rev Express way back when. It was free.
In many ways this turned me off Rev because what was so easy was made so
difficult by the need to work around the 10 line limit. I thought it rather
strange that Rev had entire Doc section on how to work around the 10 line
limit! During that time I spent little time scripting because I just didn't
enjoy it.

As mentioned above when Rev dropped Express and I had to 'pay' I was pretty
ticked off and sent Rev an email letting them know it. Even at free I didn't
think Rev represented value for money;-)

In the end I should be thankful to Rev for forcing me to buy the 'real'
tool. You get what you pay for. I now spend a lot of time scripting.

Many people would not buy a 'model train' considering it an expensive toy.
Some people have to do crosswords, others soduku, others can live without
either. Some people get enjoyment out of golf, other find it pointless.

Marielle wrote:

> focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the
> product and customer support.
>

If programing is in your blood then the 'intrinsic' quality will be
different for everyone. Repeatedly from those who make a living out of using
Rev we read that they consider it too cheap. For those who use Rev as a
hobby, they want it a little cheaper and I think Rev has moved that way.

Plastic, die cast, or brass model train.

Media, Studio or Enterprise. Each will find their level of intrinsic value =
$$$ spent.
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Re: Dictionary in OS X

[Scott Morrow]

Jean-Baptiste LE STANG has written an AppleScript extension  <   
http://www.lestang.org/ >  that allows a link to Apple's OSX spell  
checking engine.  It can be used with Revolution to create a spell  
checker.  I have placed an example solution in the RevOnline User  
Space under username "Scott"  - or from the message box:


 go URL "http://elementarysoftware.com/rev_demos/spellcheck_demo.rev";


On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Hello everyone,

I had read somewhere that it is possible to access some built-in  
Mac applications, such as Dictionary, directly from the command  
line.  Now I was wondering whether it would also be possible to  
access those applications through Revolution.  I'm doing research  
that involves indexing all the words in big text files.  Of course,  
using the xTalk definition of a word as any quoted string or string  
separated by one or more spaces leaves me with many words that are  
not words we use in the sense of dictionary words, things like  
acronyms, and others that aren't relevant to me because they are  
proper nouns, such as company or product names.  So I was hoping to  
write a script that might check whether each of the words in my  
index exists in the dictionary.


Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Gregory

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Change image to another image in stack

[Garrett Hylltun]

Rev 2.6.1

How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
is also contained in the same stack?


Thanks,
-Garrett

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Secure download location

[Marty Knapp]

I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an update of 
my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep the URL from 
being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp route, but my 
username and password show up in the browser history, which is, of 
course, not good!


I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look at the 
Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not less 
confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the difference 
between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to protect myself 
from people just downloading the software who haven't paid, but make it 
easy for those who have paid to download the latest version. Because 
it's a low-dollar item I can't afford to be manually processing stuff - 
I want my computer & web site to take care of 99% (that's why they made 
computers - right!?).


If someone can help get the twist out of my shorts, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,
Marty Knapp
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Re: My DreamCard doesn't start

[Kay C Lan]

Kay C Lan wrote:

>
> > I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how
> to do
> > this correctly?


On 3/10/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The easiest way is just to install the app where you want it in the
> first place.


Ah, now I see it's hidden in the 'Custom' install. Quite unusual not to have
the selection of install destination as 'it's own step.' Also, I've never
seen selection of install destination in the 'Custom' pane and further
surprised that this was all that Rev allowed you to customise.

Thanks, I'm now in the process of Installing 2.7 onto my Software HD
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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/10/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> wandering around looking at the
> switches and displays and video controllers and thinking "I could do
> that in rev...


Oh yeah, one of these days I'd just love to give it a go, but I first need
to figure out how to script 25 hours into a day. Anyone got any examples I
could use, I'm trying;

convert tMyDay from short date to long date

but I still only end up with 24 hours, just not enough to do everything I
want to do in life:-)
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Re: RevCon West Pre-Announcement - Save June 16-17!

[Erik Hansen]

Dan,

i am putting on a show at the RIO Theatre in
Santa Cruz for every local youth dance company
in this town. most of these turn out to be Latin
kids.
Baile Juventud is the title, tickets will be
$5.00
because i want the place to SELL OUT plus
the familes are all on budgets.

every cent i have has gone into the rent and i
will have to wait until tickets sell by April
30th. 
before there are funds for anything else.

last year your camera man said he might be able
to use a second camera. if i shoot for you
full time, could i get the veterano alumno
discount? i also edit.

the material is over my head anyway so peripheral
learning is fine. i will also be buying Arcade
and
Malte says he can hook me up with game creators
who can take my dance concept and do something
with it. 

the time has come to admit that the whole job
is way over my head and seek partners who are
REAL programmer while i focus on the dance end.

the point being that there is still a reason for
me
to attend an increasingly heavy hitting
conference
like yours.

Erik Hansen


[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org

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Re: MagicCarpet Users and 2.7 bugs

[Dave Cragg]

On 9 Mar 2006, at 21:14, Chipp Walters wrote:


For those of you who use MagicCarpet:

The only serious bug I can track down has to do with FTP and  
libURL. Turns out Rev 2.7 won't upload propertly to our FTP servers  
with the new version of libURL (MagicCarpet plugin users should be  
aware of this!).


That said, Dave Cragg's already got a fix (and patch) and I assume  
it will find it's way into the dot upgrade of 2.7. If you're a  
MagicCarpet user and are using 2.7, I suggest you contact Dave  
Cragg for the libURL patch.




Just a word on this before you all flood me with requests. There was  
small change to the FTP routine in the libUrl version that ships with  
2.7. It was designed to get round a problem that some users had  
reported. Chipp's FTP server is the only one we know of so far to  
have a problem with the new libUrl version. So it's most likely some  
people will see an improvement with the version in 2.7, and most will  
see no change.


Below is some background to the problem, which might help you decide  
whether you are suffering from the issue Chipp mentioned. But if you  
are having FTP problems in general, please let me know, and I'll take  
a look. (If you could supply some log data by using  
libUrlSetLogField, it would help greatly.)


The background
Under 2.6.1 (and earlier )a few users had reported a problem with  
timeouts when uploading files (usually largish ones > 100KB). The  
timeouts occurred at a stage in the FTP process immediately after the  
file had uploaded, when libUrl is waiting for a "226 completed"  
message from the server. Some people reported switching to "active"  
FTP mode helped, but this didn't work in all cases. I started  
experiencing the same problem after installing a new (and cheap) ADSL  
router. The problem also occurred when using commercial FTP client  
applications. Taking a hint from one of Fetch's "obscure settings"  
designed for problematic NAT routers, I added an extra "do nothing"  
command (NOOP) at the end of the upload and before checking for the  
"226" response. I understand that some other FTP client  
implementations employ a similar approach. This has worked in testing  
with a variety of servers. Chipp's is the first problem encountered.  
The error returned from Chipp's server is "421 Timeout (no new data  
for 900 seconds)". The 900 seconds is misleading. The message comes  
long before that. But if you see a 421 result, then you may want to  
let me know, and I can send you a temporary libUrl patch.


Cheers
Dave

 
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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Robert Brenstein]

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

-Francis


A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those 
files into oblivion given a folder path?


Robert
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Re: Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

I think I solved the problem.  The issue comes from starting a player in 
the playStopped handler.


I set up a group with the number of players needed to play all the sounds 
and use the handlers as below (but since I had enough players, they didn't 
need to load any new files) and it still hung up.  That indicated the start 
player in the playStopped was the culprit.


I change the playStopped to send "StartPlayer" && ("Player" && tNextPlayer) 
to me in 10 milliseconds, and I haven't been able to get it to hang.


I reduced the number of players to try interleaving them again, but setting 
up the next file in the playStopped handler would delay the message to play 
the next one, dragging out the sequence.


What I wound up with was doing a send "QueueNext" to sPlayerToSetup in 10 
milliseconds in a startPlaying handler, so I could start the next sound 
quickly, and then load the next sound safely while the current one is 
playing.  If I didn't send in 10 milliseconds in the startPlaying, it would 
still hang, but not as often.


The (QuickTime) player on Windows seems to be very timing sensitive.

At 11:31 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 
sounds on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a 
playStopped message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to 
the next sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any 
memory management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes 
eventually on XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.
I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
(perhaps someone can see a problem):


function NextPlayerNumber pName
  put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
  put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
  if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into 
tPlayerNumber

  return tPlayerNumber
end NextPlayerNumber

on playStopped
  put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
  if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
QueueNext
  else
StoppedReading
  end if
end playStopped

on QueueNext
  put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
  if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of the target to true
else
  lock messages
  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
  unlock messages
  delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
  set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
end if
  else
set the cpDone of the target to true
  end if
end QueueNext

on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
  put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers

  -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]

  end repeat

  -- queue up the first sound file for each
  lock messages
  repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tPlayerList[i], "Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
else
  set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
tPlayerList[i]

  delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
end if
  end repeat
  unlock messages
end SetSoundFiles

on StartPlaying
  start player "Player 1" of me
end StartPlaying



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Re: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?

[Rob Cozens]

Thanks Ken,


If you provide *no* second param:

  myHandler requiredParam

Then you get an error trying to *execute* the command because
pass-by-reference parameters can't be optional.



That's the issue that will probably make it necessary to change my 
approach.


Originally, I figured I could just try writing to optionalParam and 
trap for an error; ut it sounds like the engine won't let me get that 
far.


I'm glad I asked before scripting what I had in mind.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Dave Beck]

> The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges in 2.7 that
> have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas that have
> attracted feedback for a longer period of time.  The first such point
> release is right around the corner now, so please wait patiently for a
> short while as we get that together.

Along with the "rough edges" being smoothed out I am looking forward to the
gaping chasm being filled in that is preventing me from upgrading. That
chasm would be the crashes associated with copying, pasting, and editing
text that are present in the Win XP and it seems to a lesser extend in the
Mac OS version. As long as that chasm exists it is not prudent to upgrade.

Thanks.

Dave

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Re: ._ files

[Robert Brenstein]

But many OS X apps (even some from Apple?) don't set the Finder 
info, relying on OS X's preference to determine type from the file 
type extension in the name.


Many don't but many still do. Many set both, type and suffix. :)

I still feel it would be useful to allow users to be in control of 
these additional files.  It makes it cumbersome to use any non-Apple 
Flash drive, work with multi-platform networks, etc.  Not allowing 
that control just makes Apple look bad, lending credence to the old 
lightbulb joke:



--
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 Managing Editor, revJournal


Well, yes, it would be nice, but then it would create new issues tot 
ackle. One one hand, to explain to users when to say yes and when to 
say no. On the other hand, to implement it in the interface cleanly. 
Like if I copy a folder with 100 files and need this extra file for 
only 3 of the files, then what? In a way, it is simpler to just have 
the extra file and tell people that it is needed for OSX. In my mind, 
it is not that different from the mysteries of long and short 
variants of filenames in Windows.


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MagicCarpet Users and 2.7 bugs

[Chipp Walters]

For those of you who use MagicCarpet:

The only serious bug I can track down has to do with FTP and libURL. 
Turns out Rev 2.7 won't upload propertly to our FTP servers with the new 
version of libURL (MagicCarpet plugin users should be aware of this!).


That said, Dave Cragg's already got a fix (and patch) and I assume it 
will find it's way into the dot upgrade of 2.7. If you're a MagicCarpet 
user and are using 2.7, I suggest you contact Dave Cragg for the libURL 
patch.


best,

Chipp

PS For those of you who don't use MagicCarpet, you can learn more about 
it at:


www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm



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Re: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?

[Jim Ault]

You could just go with a param list

the params

on gotHere aa,bb,cc
  answer aa && BB && CC
  answer the params
  if the number of items in the params < 2 then
doThis
  end if
end gotHere

gotHere "His","tie","was",1,2,3,4,"very", "loud"
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On 3/9/06 12:20 PM, "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3/9/06 2:05 PM, "Rob Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Given a handler such as:
>> 
>> on myHandler requiredParam,@optionalParam
>> 
>> can myHandler differentiate between
>> 
>> put empty into optionalParam
>> myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> myHandler requiredParam,
>> 
> 


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Re: playStarted message?

[Phil Davis]

Yes - you're not dreaming. I discovered that too.

Phil Davis



Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It appears a player gets sent a playStarted message, is that correct?  
The documentation does not mention this message at all (even on 2.7).


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playStarted message?

[Peter T. Evensen]

It appears a player gets sent a playStarted message, is that correct?  The 
documentation does not mention this message at all (even on 2.7).


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Re: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box

[J. Landman Gay]

Stephen Barncard wrote:

Aha! I see this again in the Japanese Font menu just mentioned.

Sometimes combo boxes look really strange - like the field part in the 
control has huge  table-like borders plus a 'barber-pole' graphic behind 
it (usually used for progress indication). A real mess and one can't 
read the field text. Has this been reported?


Yes. I saw it once (and bugzillaed it), and it has come into the tech 
queue a couple of times too. One of the RR people also reports he's seen 
it. The problem is -- no one can reproduce it at will, and restarting 
the app clears the problem. If you get a recipe, do tell. I haven't been 
able to reproduce it again since it happened that one time, and I don't 
know what triggered it.


By the way, it isn't just combo boxes. I saw it in the dictionary and 
inspector.


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Re: New MS Origami device

[Mark Wieder]

Thomas-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 7:29:51 AM, you wrote:

> i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or
> if we will work out of the box?

Might be good to wait until the point release...

"It’s the Newton all over again," said Peter Gorham, an independent
analyst, referring to an early tablet device that never took off
developed by Apple Computer. "It’s what we dreaded: a letdown.
Microsoft runs the risk of putting so much into it that it doesn’t do
anything well. It is the next-stage PDA, and who knows if there is a
true consumer market for this."

http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/014216.html
http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2006/03/_it_looks_like_.html
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=15994&hed=Intel%E2%80%99s+Inside+Origami+PCs§or=Regions&subsector=Americas

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Re: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?

[Ken Ray]

On 3/9/06 2:05 PM, "Rob Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Given a handler such as:
> 
> on myHandler requiredParam,@optionalParam
> 
> can myHandler differentiate between
> 
> put empty into optionalParam
> myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam
> 
> and
> 
> myHandler requiredParam,
> 
> ?

Well, first of all you can't call a handler like:

  myHandler requiredParam,

because the trailing "," causes an error when trying to close the script.

If you provide *no* second param:

  myHandler requiredParam

Then you get an error trying to *execute* the command because
pass-by-reference parameters can't be optional.

And if you provide empty as the second param:

  myHandler requiredParam,""

You *also* get an error because the second param is not a variable, and so
it won't work with pass-by-reference parameters.

So the original question is moot...

Of course you might want to vote for Bug #741, as I suggested optional PBR
variables as an enhancement to Rev...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Mark Wieder]

Kay-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 6:43:00 AM, you wrote:

> But to put it into perspective, I 'play with' trains, and I spend more
> annually on model trains than REV.

I can totally relate to this, having just come back from the Model
Train Museum in San Diego (and wandering around looking at the
switches and displays and video controllers and thinking "I could do
that in rev...").

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Re: Dictionary in OS X

[J. Landman Gay]

Gregory Lypny wrote:

Thank you, Marty.

But I'm afraid that I don't have a folder named "share".  I tried  
"shared" but it's empty.


You do, but it is one of the hidden system files. Go to the Finder "Go" 
menu and choose "Go to folder", then type in:


/usr/share/

and there it is.

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Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?

[Rob Cozens]

Hi All,

Given a handler such as:

on myHandler requiredParam,@optionalParam

can myHandler differentiate between

put empty into optionalParam
myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam

and

myHandler requiredParam,

?


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Wally Rodriguez]

When you zip the files they are joined into one file, which in my  
experience, allows them to survive the transit through the many  
routers and other pieces of gear on the internet. This file is  
usually smaller than the sum of the parts as well so there are some  
time savings involved in zipping them as well.



On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:


Thanks for the clarifications. I will zip my files now before
transferring, although I would love to know WHY this solves
problems.


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Re: My DreamCard doesn't start

[J. Landman Gay]

Takaaki Furukawa wrote:

Jacqueline,
It worked! I moved it to the top level of Applications folder and now 
it's perfectly ok.
Thank you. I want Revolution to be more flexible about where it is (if 
it is called "Revolution"), though.




The 2.6.x Dreamcard installation relies on having all its files together 
in the same folder. If you move the application or the Player out, they 
may not work correctly. However, if you move the entire folder, it 
should work.


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Re: My DreamCard doesn't start

[J. Landman Gay]

Kay C Lan wrote:

> I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how 
to do

> this correctly?

The easiest way is just to install the app where you want it in the 
first place. But you can move it later if you want. Version 2.7 acts a 
little differently, so if you move the app after installation you may 
have to enter your registration info again the first time you launch it. 
Other than that, there shouldn't be a problem.



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Re: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me anyway)...

[Stephen Barncard]

I'm not sure how to set this up in a .png save from Photoshop, or if 
it's possible. I don't see any options for that in "save as" or "save 
for web".

Anyway PICTS work great - and have transparency too.

Are we sure about this? I mean PNGs allow for a separate PPI for 
printing and screen display. I always assumed that apps like Rev 
used the PPI information for printing.


Is this just Rev that is ignoring the other formats and just 
focusing on the pict format? I haven't test this and would really 
like to know what others have found.


Thanks Stephen,

Tom


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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Richard Gaskin]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
moving from Mac to PC,

I think the name of the thread has now changed to
"What the h are these files ?".

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !




Good luck.

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Re: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box

[Stephen Barncard]

Aha! I see this again in the Japanese Font menu just mentioned.

Sometimes combo boxes look really strange - like the field part in 
the control has huge  table-like borders plus a 'barber-pole' graphic 
behind it (usually used for progress indication). A real mess and one 
can't read the field text. Has this been reported?



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The templateField Keyword

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello everyone,

I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,  
but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the text  
in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11 instead  
of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing wrong?


Regards,

Gregory

on openStack
  set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
  set the textSize of the templateField to 12
  set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
  set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
end openStack
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No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi to all,

and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
moving from Mac to PC,

I think the name of the thread has now changed to
"What the h are these files ?".

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

-Francis

"In the quantum world, what you see is what you get and
nothing is real. The best you can hope for is a set of delusions
that agree with one another"

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Re: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)

[Richard Gaskin]

Kenji Kojima wrote:

 Richard Gaskin wrote:


 Now what do we do to get a Font menu to display the font names 
correctly?




Japanese sample:
go url 
"http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/handbook/download/jpnFontmenu.rev";


Nice work -- thanks.

Is there a way to do that for mixed Unicode encodings, so that we could 
show each font in its own language?


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Re: Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

I think that might take too long (especially over a network).I'm 
playing on the order of 10-20 files in sequence to read a word problem 
sentence that has been spliced together.


I originally tried creating the number of players I'd need and setting each 
one to the appropriate filename and then playing them one after another, 
but that took too long.


I'm tempted just to create a maximum number of players (rather than 
recreating them each time) and see if I can get acceptable performance 
without hanging by setting up all the file names and then playing them in 
sequence.


At 01:20 PM 3/9/2006, you wrote:

On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:


Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I
couldn't get a SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't
play all the files (it would skip some to keep up).


You could try creating a reference movie using EnhancedQT.  It is
similar in concept to SMIL but perhaps the performance will be
better.  Worth a try.  Here is how you would do it:

1) Get your list of movie filepaths.
2) Create two player objects
3) Call qtNewMovie to create a new empty movie in a temp directory.
Load this movie into player 1.
4) Loop through your list of movies.  For each movie:
- Load into player 2
- qtSelectAll the movieControllerID of player 2
- qtCopy the movieControllerID of player 2
- qtPaste the movieControllerID of player 2

Player 1 now contains references to all of the movies.  Trying
playing this back and see if performance is any better.  Creating the
reference movie won't necessarily be quick though.


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Put data into text file on server

[Marty Knapp]

I'm trying to put data into a text file on a server using the following:

put "test"after URL "ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/mylog.txt"

but nothing gets written to the file. The Result shows no error. Am I 
missing something obvious?



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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Stephen Barncard]

Hmmm. the only show stopping bug in 2.7 that I've seen is the 
app-fatal drag-cut-paste bug, and I know they're tracking it down. 
And I love the new features.


sqb



I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than 
100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!


All the Best
Dave



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Re: Player object and memory

[Trevor DeVore]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:


Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I  
couldn't get a SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't  
play all the files (it would skip some to keep up).


You could try creating a reference movie using EnhancedQT.  It is  
similar in concept to SMIL but perhaps the performance will be  
better.  Worth a try.  Here is how you would do it:


1) Get your list of movie filepaths.
2) Create two player objects
3) Call qtNewMovie to create a new empty movie in a temp directory.   
Load this movie into player 1.

4) Loop through your list of movies.  For each movie:
- Load into player 2
- qtSelectAll the movieControllerID of player 2
- qtCopy the movieControllerID of player 2
- qtPaste the movieControllerID of player 2

Player 1 now contains references to all of the movies.  Trying  
playing this back and see if performance is any better.  Creating the  
reference movie won't necessarily be quick though.


If you just want to test the reference movie concept without writing  
the code in Rev you can do the same thing in QT Player Pro.  Just  
create a new player, open all of the sound files you want to merge  
then copy and paste them into the new player.  Save the movie  
checking the save as reference movie, NOT self-contained.  You can  
then load this movie into a player object and see how performance is.



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Re: ._ files

[Richard Gaskin]

Robert Brenstein wrote:

Robert Brenstein wrote:
For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
safely ditched.


So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic 
file, most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, and 
more) it's merely a waste of time and space.


That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide 
whether this happens is an unfortunate design decision.


That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.

That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed out 
that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships anything 
with known bugs. ;)


Well, no, it is not exactly a bug in the way you present it. I 
simplified above (distorted the truth if you wish) saying that files are 
empty: they contain at least a single line with Finder info, like file 
type and creator, which is good enough reason to create that file even 
for files with no resource fork.


But many OS X apps (even some from Apple?) don't set the Finder info, 
relying on OS X's preference to determine type from the file type 
extension in the name.


But okay, it's not a bug per se.  My main point there was having fun 
with the notion that no vendor except Rev has ever shipped any software 
with known bugs. ;)  Of course there are enough examples that we needn't 
stretch to find more.


I still feel it would be useful to allow users to be in control of these 
additional files.  It makes it cumbersome to use any non-Apple Flash 
drive, work with multi-platform networks, etc.  Not allowing that 
control just makes Apple look bad, lending credence to the old lightbulb 
joke:



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Re: ._ files

[Robert Brenstein]

Robert Brenstein wrote:
For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev 
stacks safely ditched.


So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic 
file, most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, 
and more) it's merely a waste of time and space.


That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide 
whether this happens is an unfortunate design decision.


That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.

That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed 
out that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships 
anything with known bugs. ;)


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 Managing Editor, revJournal



Well, no, it is not exactly a bug in the way you present it. I 
simplified above (distorted the truth if you wish) saying that files 
are empty: they contain at least a single line with Finder info, like 
file type and creator, which is good enough reason to create that 
file even for files with no resource fork.


Robert
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Re: Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

It hangs someplace down the line (i.e., not the first file name).

The code I have below IS used to set every filename, but it is still 
hanging.  I thought maybe the lock messages was causing a legitimate 
playStopped to be missed, so I modified it to use a custom property as a 
semaphore and it still hangs.


I tried to set the filename to empty and then send a message to the target 
in 500 milliseconds that sets the new filename, along with using the 
semaphores, and it still hangs. :(


At 12:40 PM 3/9/2006, you wrote:

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:
>
>  lock messages
>  set the filename of the target to empty
>  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
>  unlock messages
>
> Is that what you had in mind?

Yes, but really you would call it every time you change sound files (not
just the first time).  I would expect using this the first time you set a
filename would have no effect -- the code is supposed to "clear out" the
player for the *next* sound file to be played.  If your stack is hanging the
*first* time filenames are set, something else is going on.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Player object and memory

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:
> 
>  lock messages
>  set the filename of the target to empty
>  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
>  unlock messages
> 
> Is that what you had in mind?

Yes, but really you would call it every time you change sound files (not
just the first time).  I would expect using this the first time you set a
filename would have no effect -- the code is supposed to "clear out" the
player for the *next* sound file to be played.  If your stack is hanging the
*first* time filenames are set, something else is going on.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Dictionary in OS X

[Gregory Lypny]

Thank you, Marty.

But I'm afraid that I don't have a folder named "share".  I tried  
"shared" but it's empty.


I'm not interested in proper nouns are the moment because I've  
already created a separate index for company names.  I may bring in  
other proper nouns later, but for the time being, I'll be looking at  
a short list of finance-related terms.


Regards,

Greg


On Thu, Mar 9, 2006, at 11:57 AM, use-revolution- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Look in /usr/share/dict for the lists of words.  You might be able
to use these files for your index-checker.

(As an aside, why wouldn't you want proper nouns in your index if  
they're

relevant to your topic?)

  - marty



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Re: Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:

  lock messages
  set the filename of the target to empty
  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
  unlock messages

Is that what you had in mind?

Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I couldn't get a 
SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't play all the files (it 
would skip some to keep up).


At 11:45 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
it might help in your situation.

Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: ._ files

[Richard Gaskin]

Robert Brenstein wrote:
For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation from 
the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
safely ditched.


So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic file, 
most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, and more) 
it's merely a waste of time and space.


That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide whether 
this happens is an unfortunate design decision.


That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.

That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed out 
that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships anything 
with known bugs. ;)


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Re: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Judy Perry]

H...

I was going to stay out of this but inasmuch as others have stepped up to
the plate it seems it's my turn to become flamebait.

I, too, have a friend.  She's an educator (boo, hiss!).  She is lucky to
have survived three or four rounds of layoffs at her university, part of a
larger chain which has seen its funding decreased by 20% and more over the
last couple of years even as enrollement has increased.

Her department is less lucky.  The discipline has been seeing record low
enrollments nationwide, which has translated in her department's losing
something like one full-time faculty position per year for several years.

Her department's ftp server was cobbled together from parts of various
broken-down old computers.  Her computer lab is so old that, when she
agreed to allow a university photographer to photograph her class for
various promotional brochures, the photographer was sufficiently moved to
shoot IN THE DARK without the lights on and focused on a student
using the overhead because showing the lab machines themselves would have
been an embarassment for the university.  Up until a year ago those
machines had only 128 MB RAM. And her department had to go begging to
higher-ups for the money for it.

Oh, and that old ftp server? It's corrupted several of the critical files
and applications used for her class.  Well, application isn't the right
word, really.  The proper word is "demo" because the department doesn't
have the funds to buy applications such as image editors, animation
software, 3D modeling software, and sound-editing software needed for a
multimedia class.  And, so my friend has had to spend many hours crawling
the web looking for demo replacements.  And, as she tells me, it's
tough going inasmuch as her lab still runs OS 9. She doesn't get paid for
this time.  The scanner doesn't work.  It takes 5 minutes to print
a text file over the network.  Students needing to edit video or
convert from one video file format to another use the instructor's QT Pro
license.  Those wanting to use a midi keyboard or a Wacom drawing tablet
use those belonging to the instructor.

By now you have probably figured out that I am my own best friend. ;-)

And while I am not sounding the call for a dozen weepy violins, I suspect
that other educators on the list might well tell similar tales.

Judy


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Re: RegEx Question

[Jim Ault]

Pay attention that these codes ARE always case sensitive, 'Usi'


On 3/9/06 9:45 AM, "Jim Ault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (?i) -- case insensitive
> (?Ui)  --Ungreedy and case insensitive
> (?Usi) --Ungreedy, ignore end of line, case insensitive
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On 3/9/06 9:35 AM, "Arthur Urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a
>> case-insensitive search? Thanx!


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OT: Linux & Revolution

[Sivakatirswami]

We'll be upgrading our web server to a new box soon.   Among various  
variables is the OS on the box.


Red Hat Fedora Linux Core 3 is a high probable on the new box.

Should I anticipate any problem with the Linux version of Revolution?

Linux wizards please set me straight here off list.

Thanks!
Sivakatirswami

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Re: Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

Scott,

Thanks for your input.  I'll try setting it to empty and then setting it to 
the next filename.  I was thinking part of the issue was that at one point 
I was setting the filename to empty and I thought that might be causing the 
issue.


I'm locking message before I set the filename so I don't get a playStopped 
message.  I had seen that issue before, which caused some nasty recursion 
in my other program.


At 11:45 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
it might help in your situation.

Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Player object and memory

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
it might help in your situation.

Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: RegEx Question

[Jim Ault]

(?i) -- case insensitive
(?Ui)  --Ungreedy and case insensitive
(?Usi) --Ungreedy, ignore end of line, case insensitive

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/9/06 9:35 AM, "Arthur Urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a
> case-insensitive search? Thanx!
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Re: document icon problems on OSX

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

Not sure whether there is something peculiar with my particular Mac  
but I don't seem to be able to get the correct icon showing on  
documents created by my standalone (I'm using a custom creator code  
but sticking with the RSTK filetype). No matter whether I assign a  
custom document icon via the standalone builder or not my documents  
invariably appear with the Rev application icon. I've checked the  
contents of the app package and the correct icon seems to be in  
place (RevolutionDoc.icns) but still no go. (OS 10.3.9, Rev 2.6/2.7)


Any ideas?


I've had a similar problem, but with application icons on OS X. I  
launch the app, and the correct icon appears in the Dock, but the  
finder icon remains the generic application icon. I solve the problem  
by opening the Get Info window for the app, clicking the icon, and  
hitting delete. Bingo! The correct icon now appears in the Finder.  
You could try this same technique on documents created by your app  
and see if it works.


Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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RegEx Question

[Arthur Urban]

Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a 
case-insensitive search? Thanx!

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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Judy Perry]

This is exactly the same problem I had with my students last week.  Only
neither one would open.

Judy

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Francis,
>
> > One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
> > you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
> > I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
> > number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
> > How do I remove this problem ?
> >
>
> I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>
> I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has
> any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't
> be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.

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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Andre Garzia]

Those prefixed files are created everytime you copy something from  
HFS, HFS+ partitions to some flat file partition such as CDFS, Fat32,  
Ext2... The finder creates it so that it does not lose resource fork  
information. Deleting it might endanger your app depending on how the  
app was programed. On an app that makes heavy use of the resource  
fork for storing icons, images and stuff, you can be sure that  
deleting that file will break things. The finder will also reassemble  
the files as they are moved back onto HFS/HFS+


Cheers
andre

PS: Gotta love those ADC docs...


On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it  
unsafe to delete the file in some cases?


And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how  
to do this?



"The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by  
a "._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you  
see both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this  
occurs you can safely delete the ._ file."


Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource  
fork, it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
stacks safely ditched.


Robert



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Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds 
on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped 
message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next 
sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory 
management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on 
XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.


I am doing this under Rev 2.6.1, but it also happens on 2.7.  In watching 
the messages, it freezes right after a startPlaying mesage is sent (but no 
sound plays, and I get a watch cursor and have to force quit Rev).  It 
doesn't freeze right away, but only after I have played a (seeming 
variable) number sound sequences.


Is this a bug?  Do I need to manually free any resources?  I haven't tested 
it most on Mac OS X, but I haven't seen it freeze on there.


In putting in copious puts to a field, before it freezes, there is a long 
pause when I set the next filename in QueueNext.  This happens after I 
start the next player whose sound does NOT play.


I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
(perhaps someone can see a problem):


function NextPlayerNumber pName
  put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
  put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
  if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into tPlayerNumber
  return tPlayerNumber
end NextPlayerNumber

on playStopped
  put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
  if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
QueueNext
  else
StoppedReading
  end if
end playStopped

on QueueNext
  put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
  if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of the target to true
else
  lock messages
  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
  unlock messages
  delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
  set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
end if
  else
set the cpDone of the target to true
  end if
end QueueNext

on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
  put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers

  -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]

  end repeat

  -- queue up the first sound file for each
  lock messages
  repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of tPlayerList[i], 
"Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
else
  set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
tPlayerList[i]

  delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
end if
  end repeat
  unlock messages
end SetSoundFiles

on StartPlaying
  start player "Player 1" of me
end StartPlaying



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Player object and memory

[Peter T. Evensen]

I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds 
on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped 
message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next 
sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory 
management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on 
XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.


I am doing this under Rev 2.6.1, but it also happens on 2.7.  In watching 
the messages, it freezes right after a startPlaying mesage is sent (but no 
sound plays, and I get a watch cursor and have to force quit Rev).  It 
doesn't freeze right away, but only after I have played a (seeming 
variable) number sound sequences.


Is this a bug?  Do I need to manually free any resources?  I haven't tested 
it most on Mac OS X, but I haven't seen it freeze on there.


In putting in copious puts to a field, before it freezes, there is a long 
pause when I set the next filename in QueueNext.  This happens after I 
start the next player whose sound does NOT play.


I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
(perhaps someone can see a problem):


function NextPlayerNumber pName
  put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
  put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
  if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into tPlayerNumber
  return tPlayerNumber
end NextPlayerNumber

on playStopped
  put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
  if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
QueueNext
  else
StoppedReading
  end if
end playStopped

on QueueNext
  put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
  if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of the target to true
else
  lock messages
  set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
  unlock messages
  delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
  set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
end if
  else
set the cpDone of the target to true
  end if
end QueueNext

on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
  put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers

  -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]

  end repeat

  -- queue up the first sound file for each
  lock messages
  repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
  ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of tPlayerList[i], 
"Missing Sound File"

  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
else
  set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
tPlayerList[i]

  delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
  set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
end if
  end repeat
  unlock messages
end SetSoundFiles

on StartPlaying
  start player "Player 1" of me
end StartPlaying



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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Thomas McGrath III]

What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it unsafe  
to delete the file in some cases?


And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how to  
do this?



"The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by a  
"._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you see  
both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this occurs  
you can safely delete the ._ file."


Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork,  
it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
stacks safely ditched.


Robert



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Re: New MS Origami device

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Wally,

Having said this... I run a custom home-control system on my tablet pc 
without any issues, just no tablet pc goodies.


I'm running RR v2.7 on my TPC, working around compliance issues.  My 
main hangup seems to be that ink input is sent to a RR field as 
Unicode; but characters typed on the on-screen keyboard are 8-bit.  I 
have not tried voice input -- dictation or command -- with Revolution.


If you or anybody else is interested, contact me privately for a copy 
of the eMail I sent to RR Support after installing Microsoft's TPC SDK 
and reading the documentation.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)

[Robert Brenstein]

Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file 
has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it 
shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company



For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
safely ditched.


Robert
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Re: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7

[Steve Knox]

I see this occasionally too, but not real often.  I'm also running  
10.4.4.  Does it real bad in Appleworks 6.2.7.  Might be a Carbon  
issue?  10.4.5 is out, but haven't tried it yet.


Steve


On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Paul Claude wrote:

Well, I've copied the whole revolution folder in my iBook, and  
there it
works normally (mac os x 10.3.9), so it's not a plugin issue. I  
think the

problem could be related to Mac Os 10.4.4.

on 08/03/2006 19:16, J. Landman Gay at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am completely puzzled. I don't think anyone else has this  
problem or

they would have said so. It must be something about your particular
system. All I can suggest is to reinstall Revolution.

Sometimes virus checkers interfere and cause slowdowns, but that  
doesn't

seem too likely since your other windows open okay.

If you have any custom plugins, try removing them and restarting Rev.
Also make sure you have no custom frontscripts or backscripts. I hope
someone else can think of other things to try, because what is  
happening

is not normal behavior.




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Re: New MS Origami device

[Wally Rodriguez]

Having said this... I run a custom home-control system on my tablet  
pc without any issues, just no tablet pc goodies.


W.

On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:



Hi Tom,

i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices?  
Or if we will work out of the box?


RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant  
out-of-the-box.


Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote  
for this at


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Re: New MS Origami device

[Thomas McGrath III]

Done and voted on.

T

On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:



Hi Tom,

i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices?  
Or if we will work out of the box?


RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant  
out-of-the-box.


Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote  
for this at


 


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company


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Re: importing list

[Jim Ault]

On 3/9/06 1:03 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim,  you can't do that (at least, not if I interpreted Liam's email
> correctly).  I'm pretty sure he is saying that the file contains
> multiple "entries", each entry consisting of the multiple "fields".  If
> you had a single entry, then this 'split'-based technique is the one I'd
> use - but it can't be used while there are multiple entries   you'd
> finish up with an array element for each field name, containing the data
> for the last entry.
> 
> You could keep the outer loop from Devin's code, to create tCurrRecord,
> and then split tCurrRecord

Yes, Alex, you are correct about the multiple 'records' per file, and I was
thinking that in the beginning, but was not sure since the description of
the task was not clear.  As you say, you would need to put another repeat
level to parse the multiple 'records' per file, then do the array stuff.

After assuming one-per-file, I offered the attached alternative.  I would
design a more robust approach by using regEx, assuming some errors, the
possibility multiple records per file, and even test for incomplete records,
missing values, as well as incomplete html downloads.

I have several programs that do very robust html download and error checking
for my business projects.  One program I use as a lynch pin is AltBrowser by
Altuit.

Glad you studied this well enough to see the limitations :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





> Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> ---
>> Another approach would have an advantage or two.
>> ONE - using a web address like http://website.com would not use the colon as
>> a delimiter, since the 'split' command only considers the first occurance
>> TWO - if any glitches occurred that added spurious lines that did not match
>> an existing field, these would be ignored. (eg. tab, space)
>> THREE - if your labels have a leading/trailing space this will get cleaned
>> off
>> FOUR -- filter rawData without empty
>> 
>> NOTE: I would recommend that you not use "/" in your field label (eg.
>> Principal/Director)  can lead to problems later with scripting.
>> 
>> -


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Re: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !

[Rob Cozens]

Francis,


One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?



I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has 
any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't 
be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part 
limited in time and space.  He experiences himself, his thoughts and 
feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical 
delusion of his consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for 
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few 
persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from this 
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living 
creatures and the whole nature in its beauty."  -- Albert Einstein


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Re: Stack on a server

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Marty,

Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on a 
server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of doing so?





Only for read-only access as Devin described.

Since a stack is entirely RAM-resident, one user can open the stack, 
keep it open while others make changes, and then save the 
stack--undoing all changes made since he/she originally opened the 
file.


The most practical way I have found to do do this is via a db server 
app that supports record locking.  See 
.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: New MS Origami device

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Tom,

i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or 
if we will work out of the box?


RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant 
out-of-the-box.


Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote for 
this at


 


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Garrett Hylltun]

It's nice to see someone else who feels as I do about the bugs.  ;-)

-Garrett
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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Thomas McGrath III]

Dave,

Yeah but these bugs that are being reported recently are almost all  
in the development environment and not in the "core". I have yet to  
have any of my standalone applications either on Mac or Win crash. It  
is the IDE that tends to be buggy for certain things and the team at  
RR have focused always on the engine level bugs first and fixed those.


2cents

Tom


On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:33 AM, David Burgun wrote:

 I've had to write some externals too for features that are not in  
RunRev already. The point is that you found a work-around, however  
if you have a bug at the "core" of RunRev there is no work-around  
except to use a different development system. Also once you have  
written your external all you have to do from them on is use it in  
all other projects that require that feature, whereas if it's a bug  
in RunRev then you have to remember that feature "X" does not work  
in all other projects.


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Re: Dictionary in OS X

[Marty Billingsley]

Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I had read somewhere that it is possible to access some built-in Mac
> applications, such as Dictionary, directly from the command line.
> Now I was wondering whether it would also be possible to access those
> applications through Revolution.  I'm doing research that involves
> indexing all the words in big text files.  Of course, using the xTalk
> definition of a word as any quoted string or string separated by one
> or more spaces leaves me with many words that are not words we use in
> the sense of dictionary words, things like acronyms, and others that
> aren't relevant to me because they are proper nouns, such as company
> or product names.  So I was hoping to write a script that might check
> whether each of the words in my index exists in the dictionary.
>
> Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Look in /usr/share/dict for the lists of words.  You might be able
to use these files for your index-checker.

(As an aside, why wouldn't you want proper nouns in your index if they're
relevant to your topic?)

  - marty

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Re: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me anyway)...

[Thomas McGrath III]

Are we sure about this? I mean PNGs allow for a separate PPI for  
printing and screen display. I always assumed that apps like Rev used  
the PPI information for printing.


Is this just Rev that is ignoring the other formats and just focusing  
on the pict format? I haven't test this and would really like to know  
what others have found.


Thanks Stephen,

Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:13 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

In other words, Rev reads the DPI of the image from the file and  
prints accordingly in the print region. This does not work with  
PNG, Gif or jpg images, that show and print at screen resolution.


So has rev always worked this way, or is this new?
Weren't we encouraged to not use picts anymore?
And finally, are PC users able to create picts?


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New MS Origami device

[Thomas McGrath III]

i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or  
if we will work out of the box?


We've got Intel on the Mac and Origami (Win XP Tablet Modified) on  
Windows.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/09/technology/microsoft_origami.reut/ 
index.htm?cnn=yes


Tom


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importing list

[liamlambert]

Just a note to say thank you all
I got it all working I was downloading database info from a web site
 5000 files and filtering out a lot of info I did not need just  
leaving the
address and some other info with help from this list I got it done in  
6 hours  and then
printing them out on labels and putting the info into a db I ended up  
with a nice little

app REV AND THIS LIST are really powerful things
Thanks' a lot every body.

Liam Lambert
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IRELAND


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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/9/06, Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I rather agree with the argument you make, but I disagree with the
> way it is made, using the story of another person that nobody can
> check up. I far prefer that attempts to convince non profit users on
> this list to put the little money they have in revolution rather than
> other products focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the
> product and customer support.


OK, then substitute me.

I can fully relate to  the story Dan posted as I basically used exactly the
same logic when I upgraded from REV Express (free at the time) to REV
DreamCard (may not have been called DreamCard) and then to REV Studio.

REV Express disappeared and I was pretty ticked off at not having a 'free'
version for hobbiests to 'play with'. I even emailed REV and let them know
what I thought.

But to put it into perspective, I 'play with' trains, and I spend more
annually on model trains than REV.

I enjoy cycling, and spend more on my bike annually than I do on REV. See my
recent post - subject REV vs Visual Basic - on how I use REV to support my
cycling.

I enjoy computers, and whilst I LOVE Perl, MySQL and other freebies. I still
spend more annually on computer hardware and software (excluding REV) than
on REV alone. Then again children do form a large part of the software
expenditure pie (games).

So, I'm never going to make money out of my trains (apart from a few sound
investments), my bike, or from REV. Although I still hope that one day I'll
actually script something that is useful to someone else.

Please feel free to 'check up' my story. I'd love to send you a photo of my
Live Steam engine or my new road bike;-)
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Re: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)

[Kenji Kojima]

 Richard Gaskin wrote:


 Now what do we do to get a Font menu to display the font names  
correctly?




Japanese sample:
go url "http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/handbook/download/ 
jpnFontmenu.rev"



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Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/9/06, Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Revolution's grandfather, HyperCard made the task of building
> prototypes a trivial enterprise.  Revolution is also easy to use to
> build prototypes.  The overhead that is usually associated with
> building a project is for the most part abssent.  You don't have to
> cast and instantiate anything.  Types are context-implied (see my
> previous example).  In short it is REALLY easy to build something
> quickly.


So is this good or bad?

Last month I visited my brother and took my mountain bike so we could ride
some trails. For various reasons my bike had road tyres on it so when I
arrived I fitted some new nobby tyres.

I enjoy cycling and have one of those cyclecomputers so I can record my
rides. Unfortunately I'd long lost the manual for the cyclecomputer so
couldn't modify the tyre diameter to reflect the new tyres. If you hit
80kmph you don't want it to only say 78.5:-) So for a couple of days I just
jotted down the ride details on a piece of paper.

Then one day when I had two hours to spare I whipped up a quick stack that
consisted of two buttons - one to select the tyre size in the computer, the
other to select the tyre size on the bike. Then 10 fields, basically 6
fields to enter the data in and 4 fields to show the 'corrected' data.
Fields like 'Time' didn't need correcting.

The longest part of the whole process was finding (on the internet, where I
could have found the procedure to enter the new diameter into my
cyclecomputer) and typing the 52 standard tyre sizes into a custom property,
the single property being used by both buttons, and then creating the switch
statement to relate these tyre sizes to their specific diameters!

The next longest part was organising to transfer the data into the stack
which stores the record of all my rides - a stack I created about 3 months
ago to takeover from an AppleWorks spreadsheet:-)

The fields and buttons only took minutes to place and size and the single
function, a simple percentage adjustment which was used by all fields that
needed correcting, took only a little longer. Could have saved on typing if
I wasn't so partial for very descriptive variable names like
tMyTyreSizeStoredInCyclecomputer

Of course I do get a real kick out of the comments I get from my brother
(always ribbing me about Macs being toys, he sells U$80,000 - 140,000+
software for a living) - for a Mac user you sure seem to tinker with the
insides a lot.

So my problem with this is, I must produce one of these every couple of
weeks - OoooHhh look a problem, I could write a stack to solve that - but I
never actually FINISH anything because I've 'discovered' another problem I
could solve with REV!

I never get around to building proper menus, the aesthetic leave a lot to be
desired and I could count on one hand how many standalones I've actually
produced. I have illusions of grandeur, that one day I'll make something for
someone else, which is why I entered all 52 tyre sizes rather than just the
two I needed.

And I know I'm not the only one, I take great reassurance from the sporadic
post I read of people who run everything within the IDE because their
solutions are only for them!

 So consider yourself warned;-)
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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Kevin Miller]

On 9/3/06 13:43, "David Burgun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the  way, we will
>> do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
>> completeness.
> 
> That's really good news and I really hope it happens. I can't help
> thinking that it would have been easier/quicker to fix the bugs if
> new features had not been added. The time to fix "core" bugs is when
> the system is small and when there are fewer developers. The more the
> system grows and the more people it effects the harder it is to get
> things fixed in a timely manner.

That's simply not the case.  Many of the bugs and issues people have
reported are either easier to address, or in some cases can only be
addressed by rewriting or reworking a specific area.  In 2.7 we reworked
large areas related to rendering and that will have knock on effects in
allowing us to address several of the more popular things people have been
asking for.  For example, in order to properly address the feedback on
printing related issues we needed to do most of the groundwork we just did.
"Exposing" the antialising feature on top of that work was relatively little
effort, for an enhancement that many have requested.  Over 2.7.x we are now
well placed to do more.

>> The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges in 2.7 that
>> have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas that have
>> attracted feedback for a longer period of time.
> 
> If new features had not been added then there would be no need for
> smoothing and the only people affected by problems would be those
> that were using the new features.

When rewriting any major area, you always run the risk of introducing some
new issues.  But if you put in new foundations that are sound, it makes it
easier to address anything you have inadvertently shaken up, and then go on
to improve other areas.  This is fairly typical pattern for software
upgrades - a major release followed by point releases.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: 2.7 bugs

[David Burgun]

On 9 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Kevin Miller wrote:


On 9/3/06 11:28, "jbv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution‚s vector graphics
presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,


anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
begging for it since 2002 or so...
In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had  
to write

an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
development time that happened to be several times more important
than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it  
was
hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one  
around"

didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...

Different needs, different priorities...


I think these two sides of this debate sum it up quite well.  We can't
please everyone with every release.  I hear what people are saying  
about

bugs and stability issues.  At the same time I also know that the vast
majority of the feedback we have received on this release has been  
positive.
Remember that only a percentage of our customers are on this list,  
and we

receive a lot of feedback directly too.


In this case he had written an external to handle it, so it was a non- 
problem. Also it wouldn't have been a problem at all if he had either  
used a different development system (one that supported AA) or  
planned to add AA as an external from the start and incorporated the  
cost in his initial costing.


All the new features mentioned in my post are not NEEDED, they may  
make the system more cool and may make it more attractive for a  
developer/user and so increase sales, however as soon as they start  
to develop an application they run into bugs that have been around  
for ages. The result is wasted time and frustration and for a Newbie  
a lack of trust in the system begins to develop, this results in more  
wasted time.


One of the good things about RunRev is that you can easily add to the  
system using External Commands, that way new features can be  
developed and debugged before adding to the system as a whole and it  
allows developers to use RunRev for applications that the "standard"  
system does not support.



Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the  
way, we will

do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
completeness.


That's really good news and I really hope it happens. I can't help  
thinking that it would have been easier/quicker to fix the bugs if  
new features had not been added. The time to fix "core" bugs is when  
the system is small and when there are fewer developers. The more the  
system grows and the more people it effects the harder it is to get  
things fixed in a timely manner.



The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges
in 2.7 that have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some  
other areas

that have attracted feedback for a longer period of time.


If new features had not been added then there would be no need for  
smoothing and the only people affected by problems would be those  
that were using the new features.


The first such point release is right around the corner now, so  
please wait patiently for a

short while as we get that together.


That's good news too, but I won't be using 2.7 for some time, I've  
been burnt before by "upgrades" that take me back a few steps and  
waste my time. I will wait and see which way the wind blows before  
upgrading.


All the Best
Dave


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Re: My DreamCard doesn't start

[Takaaki Furukawa]

Jacqueline,
It worked! I moved it to the top level of Applications folder and now 
it's perfectly ok.
Thank you. I want Revolution to be more flexible about where it is (if 
it is called "Revolution"), though.


- Takaaki


Takaaki Furukawa wrote:
My DreamCard 2.5 for Mac OS X doesn't start. The dock icon bounces 
for a couple of times
when I click it, but it quits without warning. I deleted the Pref 
file but no effect.

What should I do?


Did you move it from its default location? It sounds like some of the 
support files aren't available. If you moved it, put it back. If not, 
try reinstalling.


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Re: My DreamCard doesn't start

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/9/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Did you move it from its default location? It sounds like some of the
> support files aren't available. If you moved it, put it back. If not,
> try reinstalling.



I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how to do
this correctly?

For all previous versions of REV, and the Mac OS for that matter, I've had
no problem just dragging the REV folder to a separate HD where I keep all my
programing related items. I get the feeling that 2.7 will be problematic,
making it one of the very few non Apple programs that I run that NEEDs to
reside in the Application folder.

Currently I have a SYMLINK (not a simple alias) inside my Applications
folder which points to my other HD, this works for all other Apps.

Advise appreciated.
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Re: 2.7 bugs

[Kevin Miller]

On 9/3/06 11:28, "jbv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution’s vector graphics
>> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
>> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,
> 
> anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
> begging for it since 2002 or so...
> In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had to write
> an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
> my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
> development time that happened to be several times more important
> than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
> hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one around"
> didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...
> 
> Different needs, different priorities...

I think these two sides of this debate sum it up quite well.  We can't
please everyone with every release.  I hear what people are saying about
bugs and stability issues.  At the same time I also know that the vast
majority of the feedback we have received on this release has been positive.
Remember that only a percentage of our customers are on this list, and we
receive a lot of feedback directly too.

Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the way, we will
do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
completeness.  The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges
in 2.7 that have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas
that have attracted feedback for a longer period of time.  The first such
point release is right around the corner now, so please wait patiently for a
short while as we get that together.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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[FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Dom]

Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are two things that I don't understand.



Bien dit, Marielle !

On est vraiment en plein brouillard... et quand on pose une question, le
PDG intervient pour nous dire que ça n'est pas le bon endroit ;->

Que peut faire Media, et surtout qu'est-ce que Media ne peut pas faire,
et que DreamCard pouvait faire ??

[systran]

One is really in full fog... and when a question is put, the chairman
intervenes to say to us that that is not the good place ;->

What can make Media, and especially what Media cannot make, and which
DreamCard could make??

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Re: 2.7 bugs

[David Burgun]

Hi,

 I've had to write some externals too for features that are not in  
RunRev already. The point is that you found a work-around, however if  
you have a bug at the "core" of RunRev there is no work-around except  
to use a different development system. Also once you have written  
your external all you have to do from them on is use it in all other  
projects that require that feature, whereas if it's a bug in RunRev  
then you have to remember that feature "X" does not work in all other  
projects.


I've wasted days trying to make something work in RunRev that  
according to the documentation should work just fine but because of a  
bug it either didn't work at all or didn't work as published. Of  
course I couldn't charge the client for that time either. In your  
case this just happened to you with one client, not because of a bug,  
but because a feature was not present,  which you could have found  
out simply by asking RunRev "Is Anti-Aliased vector graphics  
supported?". You could then build the time to code this as an  
external into your quote. With a bug in RunRev you are dealing with  
something that should work and that is documented to work but just  
doesn't work. This (at least potentially) affects all developers in  
all projects and causes a lot time to be waste as well as a lot of  
hair pulling and grinding of teeth! If we added up all the hours lost  
by all developers (as well as putting off newbies) because of bugs in  
RunRev, I'm willing to bet that it would add up to a lot more than  
the time you lost due to not having a feature added.


The difference is in control. With an unsupported feature, the  
developer is in control, with bug the developer is NOT in control and  
therefore in a much more frustrating position.


All the Best
Dave

On 9 Mar 2006, at 11:28, jbv wrote:




David,



Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution’s vector graphics
presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,


anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
begging for it since 2002 or so...
In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had  
to write

an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
development time that happened to be several times more important
than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one  
around"

didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...

Different needs, different priorities...

Best,
JB

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Re: 2.7 bugs

[jbv]

David,

>
> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution’s vector graphics
> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,

anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
begging for it since 2002 or so...
In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had to write
an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
development time that happened to be several times more important
than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one around"
didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...

Different needs, different priorities...

Best,
JB

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Re: 2.7 bugs

[David Burgun]

Hi,

On top of what Paul said there is also the Stack incompatibility  
issues to contend with in 2.7.


I totally agree that we need and have said several times over the  
last year or so that a bug fix only release is what is needed. This  
product has had heaps of new functionality added over the last couple  
of years and bugs that were there in the start have not been fixed.  
This means that new functionality might actually break once a bug has  
been fixed as well as just making the product much harder to use.


I can't understand why new functionality is added to a buggy base.  
For instance the new feature detailed here:
New object blending capabilities. All objects, including standard  
system controls such as buttons and fields, as well as media elements  
such as QuickTime movies, can now be rendered using a rich variety of  
blend modes and opacity settings.
Over 20 brand new blend modes. Includes the industry standard porter- 
duff and SVG compositing operators.
Window level transitions. Now you can perform transitions with alpha  
channels on an entire window, allowing effects such as rippling  
applications on the desktop.
New image rendering options. Render an image from any object on- 
screen, preserving the alpha channel, then transform and save.
Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution’s vector graphics  
presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED, adding this  
functionality now just means that any bugs that do not have a work- 
around need to be fixed now and I'm betting that bugs that do have a  
work-around will be put onto the "to do" list along with all the  
others and so the "to do" list will grow. I've seen this situation  
with other products. CodeWarrior for instance had a very buggy  
debugger for ages and each new version did nothing to fix it, but  
added loads of new functionality, which inevitably had new bugs which  
needed to be fixed. It made using the product a much less satisfying  
prospect which is what I have found with RunRev and for a Newbie it  
is very off-putting.


I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than  
100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!


All the Best
Dave

On 8 Mar 2006, at 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dan,
I use OS X and agree with David. New users should start with 2.6.x  
and wait while 2.7 matures.
Version 2.6.1 was the best all-around release of Rev in the last  
three years. "In my experience" 2.7 was one of the worst.
The missing documentation chapters, crashes when accessing the  
Table panel on the Inspector, etc. etc.  affect all platforms. The  
automatic changing of creator codes and file types affect OS X  
users (especially the changing of creator codes which are not an  
issue on Windows or UNIX). Changing the appearance of previously  
created stacks from OS X to OS 9 may or may not be exclusively an  
OS X problem.
2.7 promises to be very good when it is ready. I don't believe it  
is ready yet.

Paul Looney
PS Remember the last meeting in Monterey when we asked for two  
updates that did nothing but fix bugs? That seems, in hindsight, to  
have been a very good suggestion. 2.6.8 could have been awesome!


-Original Message-
From: Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:43:21 -0800
Subject: Re: 2.7 bugs


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Re: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???

[David Burgun]

Hi Chris,

Thanks a lot!

All the Best
Dave


On 8 Mar 2006, at 18:34, Chris Sheffield wrote:


Dave,

You can grab version 2.6.1 from here:




Hopefully that'll get you by.  It is kind of strange they removed  
the download link for the current OS 9 version...


Chris


On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 AM, David Burgun wrote:


Hi,

So was the 2.6.6 version promised, however we are still waiting  
for it.



I agree it is important to the educational market (as well as  
other markets) which is why it blows my mind that there is no  
download available for it.


I have no intention of porting my MacOS 9 only stacks to 2.7, it's  
just not worth it, but I would like to be able to download a  
version of RunRev that works on MacOS 9 NOW, regardless of the  
version number!


I really can't see the point of removing a working version of  
RunRev for MacOS 9 from the website and replacing it with nothing!  
Surely it would be better to leave the existing version available  
and then if and when 2.7 comes along replace it then?


In the meantime, here I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone  
from RunRev to contact me and send the latest version (which I  
have a license for).


All the Best
Dave

On 8 Mar 2006, at 17:46, Stephen Barncard wrote:

The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will  
deliver it. It's too  important to the educational market. I  
heard the difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for  
OS9. I think they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.




Hi,

I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same  
was said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't  
materialize. Don't understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their  
web site tho?


All the Best
Dave

On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather  
directly.  It's

doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim



I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9  
version is coming, whatever that means.

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Re: The End of Dreamcard?

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Dan,

There are two things that I don't understand.

The first one is if your friend is an enthusiastic user of revolution  
and wanted his story to be used to convince non profit users on this  
list to put bigger money in their hobby, why didn't he write this  
email himself.


The second is if it is so evident all non profit should go and buy  
rev studio, why was this email necessary?


I rather agree with the argument you make, but I disagree with the  
way it is made, using the story of another person that nobody can  
check up. I far prefer that attempts to convince non profit users on  
this list to put the little money they have in revolution rather than  
other products focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the  
product and customer support.


Marielle





I thought this might add a bit of perspective if not humor to our
discussion.

I have a really good friend who is a semi-serious amateur  
photographer. He's
also pretty computer-savvy. A while back I introduced him to Rev  
and he's
been delightedly churning out apps for his use in his hobby, happy  
as a

clam. He bought Dreamcard.

When the new release came out and it became apparent that DC would  
no longer
be a viable product, it took him about 3 minutes to decide to  
upgrade to

Studio when the time comes to do that. I asked him how he made that
decision.

"Revolution Studio is cheaper than any camera or lens I own for my  
other
hobby. I don't make money at either. Part of the definition of a  
hobby is
something you enjoy pouring money into so you can see better and  
better
results. I've become something of a hobbyist programmer now and I  
want the
right tools for that job just like I want the right cameras and  
lenses. It's

a no-brainer."

This guy's not wealthy (he's retired) but he understands the value  
of the
right tool for the right job. I just thought that was a terribly  
sane way to

look at things.

And no I'll step aside and wait for the flamers to point out how  
little
money academia has, how unpredictable software strategies are and  
all the

rest.

:-)

Dan




 


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Re: importing list

[Alex Tweedly]

Jim Ault wrote:


---
Another approach would have an advantage or two.
ONE - using a web address like http://website.com would not use the colon as
a delimiter, since the 'split' command only considers the first occurance
TWO - if any glitches occurred that added spurious lines that did not match
an existing field, these would be ignored. (eg. tab, space)
THREE - if your labels have a leading/trailing space this will get cleaned
off
FOUR -- filter rawData without empty

NOTE: I would recommend that you not use "/" in your field label (eg.
Principal/Director)  can lead to problems later with scripting.

-
 


repeat
  put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
   


filter rawData without empty
split rawData using cr and ":"
 

Jim,  you can't do that (at least, not if I interpreted Liam's email 
correctly).  I'm pretty sure he is saying that the file contains 
multiple "entries", each entry consisting of the multiple "fields".  If 
you had a single entry, then this 'split'-based technique is the one I'd 
use - but it can't be used while there are multiple entries   you'd 
finish up with an array element for each field name, containing the data 
for the last entry.


You could keep the outer loop from Devin's code, to create tCurrRecord, 
and then split tCurrRecord




On 3/8/06 1:56 PM, "Devin Asay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


repeat
  put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
  put lineOffset("Name:",rawData) into recStart
  if recStart = 0 then exit repeat
  put lineOffset("Type:",rawData) into recEnd
  put line recStart to recEnd of rawData into tCurrRecord
  delete line recStart to recEnd of rawData
  replace cr&cr with cr in tCurrRecord -- get rid of empty lines
  copy card "template" to this stack --create a new card for the data
  go last card
  set the itemDelimiter to ":"
  repeat for each line tLine in tCurrRecord
put item 2 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)
  end repeat
end repeat
   



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Re: Moving Multiple Objects

[Klaus Major]

Hi Judy,


Judy Perry wrote:
I used a preOpenCard handler to handle the initial locations of  
the three

images, then an openCard handler to handle their movement.
Here is the entire card script:
on preOpenCard
  set the loc of image "BStone1.gif" to 326,152
  set the loc of image "Bstone2.gif" to 215,155
  set the loc of image "BStone3.gif" to 268,242
end preOpenCard



on openCard
  set lockMoves to true
  move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
  move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs without waiting
  move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs without waiting
  set lockMoves to false


##Would this work eventually? Does here...
  wait until the movingcontrols = empty


ual effect dissolve
  go next card
end openCard
Any other ideas???
Gratefully received...
Judy


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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RE: Missing Report Builder

[Scott Kane]

Hi Kresten,

As others have pointed out ReportBuilder is depracated.

> find the answer to the "How do I create a report 
> layout-card?" question. 

I bought and heartily recommend Dan's book "Printing
in Revolution".  It answered many such questions for
me and it's a good read to boot.  See link below.
At $5 it's a steal...


 http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


Scott

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Re: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7

[Paul Claude]

Well, I've copied the whole revolution folder in my iBook, and there it
works normally (mac os x 10.3.9), so it's not a plugin issue. I think the
problem could be related to Mac Os 10.4.4.

on 08/03/2006 19:16, J. Landman Gay at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am completely puzzled. I don't think anyone else has this problem or
> they would have said so. It must be something about your particular
> system. All I can suggest is to reinstall Revolution.
> 
> Sometimes virus checkers interfere and cause slowdowns, but that doesn't
> seem too likely since your other windows open okay.
> 
> If you have any custom plugins, try removing them and restarting Rev.
> Also make sure you have no custom frontscripts or backscripts. I hope
> someone else can think of other things to try, because what is happening
> is not normal behavior.

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