Sequence of images to Quicktime Movie ?
Hello, I'm working on an educative project where children will be shown a random sequence of images to which they will add some audio (their spoken story)... The question I have is if there is some way (within Rev) to assemble the images and the audio to a Quicktime movie ? What do you think ? Christian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Developers don't generally make computers, just as brake-pad manufacturers don't generally build cars. Best, Mark On 23 Feb 2007, at 06:12, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: After all, Cadillac was profitable and viable for years and years by just providing the best available car at a premium price to less than 5% of the market. Why should we worry about the other 95%? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Hi, I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de-bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Click Table
Jim's suggestion is excellent but you might also check the Runrev forum under feature requests. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tri-state checkboxes
I know there is debate among HIF designers that such a thing should exist in the first place, but let's assume that one has a good reason for it: My question is, is there any Rev-native way of doing tri-state checkboxes? Where a checkbox can have an ON, OFF, or equivocal setting that signifies something between ON and OFF. If not Rev-native, has anyone cooked up their own solution whose look and feel is cross-platform compatible (so that the tri-state checkbox can be ganged alongside conventional Rev-native checkboxes, and not stand out like a sore thumb)? I am on 2.8.0 Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QUARTAM Report
Hi there, Does anybody knows, when Version 1.1 will be out and, if the printout will be much better as now with all the printed pixels? A printout now looks like the needel-printer 20 years ago and this layout is out of discussion f.e. a professional invoice or other professional printouts. Does anybody has another idea? Best regards Horst -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/QUARTAM-Report-tf3279004.html#a9119269 Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Apple Help
Trevor Hopkins wrote: What are people's opinions on using Apple's Help Viewer? Apple's history of Help systems gives one the impression that if it runs efficiently they fire the programmer and replace him with one who can make it slower. :) FWIW, my apps don't use either Apple Help or Microsoft Help. Instead I use a single Help stack made with Rev that runs on both platforms -- and is far more responsive than Apple Help. Considering I still get good reviews from Mac magazines I'm not too worried about appearing non-standard. On the contrary, if standard means a cumbersome slow system I doubt anyone would mind if you replaced it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tri-state checkboxes
Mark, use an image, every mouseUp you cycle thru the three stages and change the image. I think it is the easiest way. Andre On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Mark Powell wrote: I know there is debate among HIF designers that such a thing should exist in the first place, but let's assume that one has a good reason for it: My question is, is there any Rev-native way of doing tri-state checkboxes? Where a checkbox can have an ON, OFF, or equivocal setting that signifies something between ON and OFF. If not Rev- native, has anyone cooked up their own solution whose look and feel is cross-platform compatible (so that the tri-state checkbox can be ganged alongside conventional Rev-native checkboxes, and not stand out like a sore thumb)? I am on 2.8.0 Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Yes, this is a minor annoyance for me too. I think what happens is that I select an object when the mouse is still in motion over it, and so I drag it a few pixels. I'm not sure what the solution is from the IDE end, but it does seem to happen more frequently in Rev than with other apps I use. Mark On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Dave wrote: Hi, I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de- bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. -Thomas Edison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Click Table (Jim Ault)
Thanks for your reply, Jim. I also may not have explained what I need very well. All i want to do is have a table where i can click on an item and identify the line item# that was clicked on, and can drill down for the user for the details on that item. For example, a monthly financial report: Column 1 (item 1) would hav categories (of revenue...say) Row 1 (line 1) would have the months of the year, starting with column 2... 12 months (Jan, FebDec) (you can see that line 1, item 1 would not be used) I would then fill that grid with the summary of revenue data for the monthly report User wants to see why category Misc Revenue was so high in July, Misc Revenue is line 10, July is column 8 (item 8) He/she clicks on that number. click populates cell 1,1 with 10,8 I then have code that goes puts the category (item 1 of line 10) into theCategory and the month (item 8 of line 1) into theMonth code then goes to the source document and finds all the entries for theCategory that originated in month theMonth I then pop up a stub stack and populate it with those transactions. Real simple. I can't believe it is as hard as it is, unless I am missing something. (did it in hypercard all the time by aligning the report and getting the clickword, then checking for a sign). But a table field would (if it worked) be much better. Thanks, john ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Sometimes I wonder if catering to this Window's mess is really worth all the effort. Heck, after all the expense we developers have been through with Apple (68k-PPC, Classic-OS X, PPC-Intel) I wouldn't mind a little platform stability on both sides. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Hi, Yes, that's it. It doesn't happen in other Application because they de-bounce the mouse in one (or more) of the ways I describe below. All the Best Dave On 23 Feb 2007, at 15:36, Mark Swindell wrote: Yes, this is a minor annoyance for me too. I think what happens is that I select an object when the mouse is still in motion over it, and so I drag it a few pixels. I'm not sure what the solution is from the IDE end, but it does seem to happen more frequently in Rev than with other apps I use. Mark On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Dave wrote: Hi, I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de- bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. -Thomas Edison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tri-state checkboxes
Hi, Just create a small image and set the contents depending on the state which you keep in a Custom Property. Something like this would do it: on mouseUp local myCurrentState put the cpCurrentState of me into myCurrentState if myCurrentState = empty then put 0 into myCurrentState end if add 1 to myCurrentState if myState 3 then put 1 into myState end if switch myCurrentState case 1 set the fileName of me to File1 break case 2 set the fileName of me to File2 break case 3 set the fileName of me to File3 break end switch set cpCurrentState of me to myCurrentState end mouseUp Of course you don't need to use an image file you could just use an Icon, but this should serve as a basis. Hope this Helps All the Best Dave On 23 Feb 2007, at 14:01, Mark Powell wrote: I know there is debate among HIF designers that such a thing should exist in the first place, but let's assume that one has a good reason for it: My question is, is there any Rev-native way of doing tri-state checkboxes? Where a checkbox can have an ON, OFF, or equivocal setting that signifies something between ON and OFF. If not Rev- native, has anyone cooked up their own solution whose look and feel is cross-platform compatible (so that the tri-state checkbox can be ganged alongside conventional Rev-native checkboxes, and not stand out like a sore thumb)? I am on 2.8.0 Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Sometimes I wonder if catering to this Window's mess is really worth all the effort. After all, Cadillac was profitable and viable for years and years by just providing the best available car at a premium price to less than 5% of the market. Why should we worry about the other 95%? The problem with being a mac company is that its like riding the effects of an earthquake at sea - if Apple experiences a 5% drop in Mac sales, you feel it like its 30%. On the other hand, if Apple comes out with a new feature and you can leverage that, you can get a great ride out of it. Having a Windows version, even if you are mostly selling to Mac clients, also helps to lower barriers to entry - someone cant say Hey, we have a hybrid network - what if we need a Windows version in the future?. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tri-state checkboxes
Check out my Tri State Checkbox I just whipped up. It uses disabled as a third state. (I know, I know, the HIG...) but it's pretty intuitive. revonline: barncard category: programming nameTri State Checkbox -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Son 2.0
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RE: Tri-state checkboxes
Thanks to all for your suggestions, but they do not precisely fit what I need. The image solutions assume one look-and-feel...if the standalone were to be run on Vista, for example, the image would have the wrong motif when compared to the neighboring conventional checkboxes. And Stephen's solution uses disabled as the third state, which is not what I need. I need an enabled third state. I am guessing this is not possible, but any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Mark On 23 Feb 2007, at 14:01, Mark Powell wrote: I know there is debate among HIF designers that such a thing should exist in the first place, but let's assume that one has a good reason for it: My question is, is there any Rev-native way of doing tri-state checkboxes? Where a checkbox can have an ON, OFF, or equivocal setting that signifies something between ON and OFF. If not Rev- native, has anyone cooked up their own solution whose look and feel is cross-platform compatible (so that the tri-state checkbox can be ganged alongside conventional Rev-native checkboxes, and not stand out like a sore thumb)? I am on 2.8.0 Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Dave, Have you submitted this as a bug/enhancement to Rev QC/Bugzilla? I would add some votes to it if it were there. Devin On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Dave wrote: Hi, Yes, that's it. It doesn't happen in other Application because they de-bounce the mouse in one (or more) of the ways I describe below. All the Best Dave On 23 Feb 2007, at 15:36, Mark Swindell wrote: Yes, this is a minor annoyance for me too. I think what happens is that I select an object when the mouse is still in motion over it, and so I drag it a few pixels. I'm not sure what the solution is from the IDE end, but it does seem to happen more frequently in Rev than with other apps I use. Mark On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Dave wrote: Hi, I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de-bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tri-state checkboxes
Hi, Just change the look and feel depending on the platform, e.g. use one set of images for Mac and another for Windows etc. All the Best Dave On 23 Feb 2007, at 17:22, Mark Powell wrote: Thanks to all for your suggestions, but they do not precisely fit what I need. The image solutions assume one look-and-feel...if the standalone were to be run on Vista, for example, the image would have the wrong motif when compared to the neighboring conventional checkboxes. And Stephen's solution uses disabled as the third state, which is not what I need. I need an enabled third state. I am guessing this is not possible, but any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Mark On 23 Feb 2007, at 14:01, Mark Powell wrote: I know there is debate among HIF designers that such a thing should exist in the first place, but let's assume that one has a good reason for it: My question is, is there any Rev-native way of doing tri-state checkboxes? Where a checkbox can have an ON, OFF, or equivocal setting that signifies something between ON and OFF. If not Rev- native, has anyone cooked up their own solution whose look and feel is cross-platform compatible (so that the tri-state checkbox can be ganged alongside conventional Rev-native checkboxes, and not stand out like a sore thumb)? I am on 2.8.0 Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tri-state checkboxes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:22:33 -0800, Mark Powell wrote: Thanks to all for your suggestions, but they do not precisely fit what I need. The image solutions assume one look-and-feel...if the standalone were to be run on Vista, for example, the image would have the wrong motif when compared to the neighboring conventional checkboxes. And Stephen's solution uses disabled as the third state, which is not what I need. I need an enabled third state. I am guessing this is not possible, but any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Well, the closest you can get is to have a single image that shows the equivocal state that is put on top of a real checkbox, and is hidden. When the user clicks on the checkbox, you check the current state of the hilite and if it is true (checked), you show the equivocal image on top and allow the mouseup to continue (which will change the checkbox to cleared (unchecked), but beneath the equivocal image. Then when the user clicks on the image, you have script that simply hides the image. Then to find out the state of the checkbox, you'd just check the visible of the image - if it's showing, you're in an equivocal state; if not, you take the hilite of the checkbox. HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Jim Ault wrote: Developers who realize that Rev can still go forward as a cross-plat dev tool with a small learning curve. Developers who realize that this is YAFITR (yet another fork in the road) and that this is probably a Linux conspiracy to gain market share :-) Besides, how many third world countries will be able to invest in Vista and run it on older equipment. How about the education market around the world and the US? Paying top dollar for equipment and operating systems/software is out of reach. --- No Linux conspiracy is necessary, even jokingly. Microsoft are busy hanging themselves. Thank God I have my Ubuntu. I love my Ubuntu. It's very far from perfect, but at least it is not rotten at the core. I began making progress once I realized that weaning myself from Windows didn't necessarily need to be done cold chicken. Revolution (no pun intended) is not often a good thing, so who needs it? All Linux (/Ubuntu) needs from my point of view is a really good RAD tool. You too can run Ubuntu from a live CD! Today! (Or Puppy from a pendrive.) [By the way, people are now putting Ubuntu on pendrives, but not small ones. The day (probably coming soon) that setting up Ubuntu on a pendrive is as simple as it is with Puppy will indeed be a happy one.] My vision of the future is this: Just as English has (almost) become the second language of the world rather than a foreign one, so a SINGLE optimized Linux can become the second operating system of the world. It's that I'm trying to work towards, anyway. Please help. The result can be nothing other than a much healthier balance of power, and a far happier situation for the world's computer users and programmers. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Click Table (Jim Ault)
The key here is But a table field would (if it worked) be much better. It is a question of field management, or cells within a table. The Rev table object is very difficult to manipulate and get a decent user experience. You mentioned column resizing, which would mean tab stop management in a table object, or padding with spaces in a single field and you said (did it in hypercard all the time by aligning the report and getting the clickword, then checking for a sign). In my opinion, this would be better than trying to use the current table object. My attempts to use it have been far from what I would want to use, let alone put in front of a user. Data in cells can appear partially hidden, over the top of other cells, etc. Perhaps you should give it a go and see what you think. You might find that you like the table object and it does what you want. Someone else may have a different answer and perhaps an example stack of the code loops they use to control the table object. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 2/23/07 7:47 AM, John Runde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply, Jim. I also may not have explained what I need very well. All i want to do is have a table where i can click on an item and identify the line item# that was clicked on, and can drill down for the user for the details on that item. For example, a monthly financial report: Column 1 (item 1) would hav categories (of revenue...say) Row 1 (line 1) would have the months of the year, starting with column 2... 12 months (Jan, FebDec) (you can see that line 1, item 1 would not be used) I would then fill that grid with the summary of revenue data for the monthly report User wants to see why category Misc Revenue was so high in July, Misc Revenue is line 10, July is column 8 (item 8) He/she clicks on that number. click populates cell 1,1 with 10,8 I then have code that goes puts the category (item 1 of line 10) into theCategory and the month (item 8 of line 1) into theMonth code then goes to the source document and finds all the entries for theCategory that originated in month theMonth I then pop up a stub stack and populate it with those transactions. Real simple. I can't believe it is as hard as it is, unless I am missing something. (did it in hypercard all the time by aligning the report and getting the clickword, then checking for a sign). But a table field would (if it worked) be much better. Thanks, john ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tri-state checkboxes
Ken: Sounds promising. Is the size/location of the underlying checkbox predictable enough for this? i.e. it doesn't pixel-creep from platform to platform? Mark Well, the closest you can get is to have a single image that shows the equivocal state that is put on top of a real checkbox, and is hidden. When the user clicks on the checkbox, you check the current state of the hilite and if it is true (checked), you show the equivocal image on top and allow the mouseup to continue (which will change the checkbox to cleared (unchecked), but beneath the equivocal image. Then when the user clicks on the image, you have script that simply hides the image. Then to find out the state of the checkbox, you'd just check the visible of the image - if it's showing, you're in an equivocal state; if not, you take the hilite of the checkbox. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tri-state checkboxes
Another option would be to use a Custom Property set to keep track of which image to display. On openstack, determine the system type and set the custom prop set appropriately. Thanks, Brent Anderson Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center On Feb 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Ken Ray wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:22:33 -0800, Mark Powell wrote: Thanks to all for your suggestions, but they do not precisely fit what I need. The image solutions assume one look-and-feel...if the standalone were to be run on Vista, for example, the image would have the wrong motif when compared to the neighboring conventional checkboxes. And Stephen's solution uses disabled as the third state, which is not what I need. I need an enabled third state. I am guessing this is not possible, but any other ideas are greatly appreciated. Well, the closest you can get is to have a single image that shows the equivocal state that is put on top of a real checkbox, and is hidden. When the user clicks on the checkbox, you check the current state of the hilite and if it is true (checked), you show the equivocal image on top and allow the mouseup to continue (which will change the checkbox to cleared (unchecked), but beneath the equivocal image. Then when the user clicks on the image, you have script that simply hides the image. Then to find out the state of the checkbox, you'd just check the visible of the image - if it's showing, you're in an equivocal state; if not, you take the hilite of the checkbox. HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Dave wrote: I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de-bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? _ Perhaps I'm missing something here, but doesn't the Lock size and position option in the control's properties solve this problem? Or would it be equally annoying to you to have to set this property for all your controls? If so, I would suggest putting forward the idea of a global property/switch to lock all controls. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
I said: I began making progress once I realized that weaning myself from Windows didn't necessarily need to be done cold chicken. -- Sorry, my turkey changed into a chicken!!! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tri-state checkboxes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:30:04 -0800, Mark Powell wrote: Ken: Sounds promising. Is the size/location of the underlying checkbox predictable enough for this? i.e. it doesn't pixel-creep from platform to platform? Good question - I'm not sure, but I know it is at least consisitent within its platform. You may end up needing to create one equivocal image for each platform, in which case, the covering image would probably be a button with the icon set to the proper platform's equivocal image. I'd think you'd have to play around with it to see if there's any pixel-creep, but you could make up for it by adjusting the image that's being put into the equivocal button (i.e. if you need the image to go down and to the left one pixel, you can add an empty pixel column on the left of the image, and an empty pixel row on the top of the image). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Bob Warren wrote: Dave wrote: I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de- bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? _ Perhaps I'm missing something here, but doesn't the Lock size and position option in the control's properties solve this problem? Or would it be equally annoying to you to have to set this property for all your controls? If so, I would suggest putting forward the idea of a global property/switch to lock all controls. Bob For me it's mostly annoying during the time after I've put controls onto a card but before I've got them finally positioned. Once they're where I want them, I lock their positions and it's not a problem anymore. If there is a way screen out inadvertent moves associated with mouse clicks, I'm all for it. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
I'm still thinking the portable application architecture is the way to go...only that a custom installer needs to be written. Fact is, Apple created the concept of 'portable apps' long ago when all you had to have was a double-clickable program. Remember when moving apps between computers was as simple as drag-drop? I believe it's still mostly that way on the Mac. My original architectures ended up spraying stuff all over the place, from the Programs Folder, to the Documents folders, to the hidden C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data folder and also the registry. While it was correct from a windows perspective, it was hard to maintain, hard to debug on different users computers, and hard to clean up on uninstall. I think some of this has to do with the various concepts of licensing in play: license to machine, license to 1 user on 1 machine, etc.. Our licenses are to individual users on any (many) machines, so it's not necessary to try and tie them to a single box. I think eventually all licenses will work this way. Certainly all the Web2.0 stuff already works this way. Lastly, Richard, I do believe you are correct about: I thought that all non-admin accounts required that anyway, on Windows and Mac alike And another good reason to stick with a portable application architecture. Just my 2 cents... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Chipp Walters wrote: And another good reason to stick with a portable application architecture. All my apps have been portable in the sense that that everything they need is in one folder -- it can be run from anywhere in any hard drive, USB, etc. But auto-updates, there's the stickler. Where does one store downloaded app parts on both Mac and Win so it can be as available to all users as the executable in the Applications/Program Files directory is? On Mac, with a custom installer you can create a subfolder in your app's folder that's universally-writable. So as long as you use a custom installer you're set. But on Windows? And in a way that works from Win98 through Vista? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
On 2/23/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But auto-updates, there's the stickler. Where does one store downloaded app parts on both Mac and Win so it can be as available to all users as the executable in the Applications/Program Files directory is? On WinXP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\YourApp\ Not sure on Vista. If you create a portable app and it resides OUTSIDE of Programs File, then the updates can be stored in the Portable Apps folder. Check out the new ButtonGadget2 to see what I mean. It installs everything in a single folder, including ButtonSets (the users documents). ThoughtOffice (www.thoughtoffice.com) is another portable application architecture which stored everything BUT the users documents in it's own enclosed folders. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
I sent the following to the Improve list but forgot to copy it to this one, so am resending. Some cursory searches on the web showed me that we aren't the only ones wondering where to store writable files in Vista. There aren't a lot of answers yet. Here are some excerpts I pasted into a text document from various pages I found, in no particular order. Sorry, I didn't keep any accredidations. Re: Is there a standard place to store writeable not plublic shared files to please UAC? Hello guys, Just to let you know I have been fighting through this same exact issue for a few weeks. Initially I tried to write our data to CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\[ApplicationName]. This worked fine and allows users to share files but as this post states this folder is considered a system folder and is hidden by VISTA which means your users cannot share their database or folder so that other users on the network can access it. In order to do this your users have to show hidden system folders and then share it. It is a huge pain. So we shifted to CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS which actually maps to c:\users\public\documents on VISTA and we placed a subfolder here. This location is read/write by default and visible to all users. This worked fantastic for us. I tested it on 2000, XP and VISTA and our install worked excellent. The problem is XP Server 2003 does not have a CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS folder and our install is not working on xp server 2003 because of this. I am looking into this right now and I have heard it is because of the version of the SHGETFOLDERPATH API that was shipped with this Operating System. With that one limitation right now we are completely up and running (I am hoping to find a work around for this issue). CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS lets you share data with users on the same machine, users across the network and is visible to all users. CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA is practically useless because it is hidden in VISTA. Also, even though MS lists the AppData folder as a shared location if you try to write data here with an admin and a standard user you will see that Virtualization will kick in and write this data to the local user profile unless you specifically open permissions up on your subfolder that you install under CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA during your installation. My vote is for CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS and I would love to know Microsofts answer to this. When I asked them this: Where should we store machine wide data so it can be accessed by users on the same machine and across the network They told me this: There is no officially published answer -- From MS Forum - AppData folder is not writable: This note from the Microsoft site mentioned below, suggests that application specific data should be placed in the location provided by the KnownFolder API (passing parameter :CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA). CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA This folder should be used for application data that is not user specific. For example, an application may store a spell check dictionary, a database of clip-art or a log file in the CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA folder. This information will not roam and is available to anyone using the computer. By default, this location is read-only for normal (non-admin, non-power) Users. If an application requires normal Users to have write access to an application specific subdirectory of CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA, then the application must explicitly modify the security on that sub-directory during application setup. The modified security must be documented in the Vendor Questionnaire. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms995853.aspx As stated, this location is read-only. - On Vista, with User Account Control disabled, there is no write and execute access to the %TEMP% folder --- I just found out the hard way that ... Environment.SpecialFolder.CommonApplicationData that returns C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data under XP that is writeable for all users, returns C:\ProgramData\ under Vista and this is not writeable for regular users which is really killing me. In our case this location could be hidden or not; it doesn't really matter. Having a special folder that goes by the .Net enum Environment.SpecialFolder.CommonApplicationData and not actually being able to use it for Common Application Data without requiring admin rights seems like a bit of a problem. -- [Something to test:] Have you considered that while ProgramData itself may not allow you to put files there, you might be able to create a writeable folder structure beneath it to hold your data files? I think the general plan is that you create a folder like: common app data\companyname\appname\ .. and then store your files underneath that. Even on XP I'm seeing results that indicate some complex folder security is being applied in these cases, and the subfolder structure my programs adds is allowing any-user to have file create/read/write access if I take no special
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Bob Warren wrote: Jim Ault wrote: Developers who realize that Rev can still go forward as a cross-plat dev tool with a small learning curve. Developers who realize that this is YAFITR (yet another fork in the road) and that this is probably a Linux conspiracy to gain market share :-) Besides, how many third world countries will be able to invest in Vista and run it on older equipment. How about the education market around the world and the US? Paying top dollar for equipment and operating systems/software is out of reach. Bob, I don't know about the chances of this actually succeeding but Microsoft is clearly attempting to do something about that. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/starter/default.mspx (first removing line wraps of course.) Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Devin Asay wrote: On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Bob Warren wrote: Dave wrote: I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de-bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? _ Perhaps I'm missing something here, but doesn't the Lock size and position option in the control's properties solve this problem? Or would it be equally annoying to you to have to set this property for all your controls? If so, I would suggest putting forward the idea of a global property/switch to lock all controls. Bob For me it's mostly annoying during the time after I've put controls onto a card but before I've got them finally positioned. Once they're where I want them, I lock their positions and it's not a problem anymore. If there is a way screen out inadvertent moves associated with mouse clicks, I'm all for it. Devin If you can train yourself to select objects with a right-click instead of a left-click, the issue should go away as a right click doesn't drag. I have to admit I can't manage to retrain myself to do that, as it's not necessary in most other software. Course if you choose to use a one-button mouse, then you might not consider that an option anyway. I have found that today's optical mice can benefit from being slowed down and having any sensitivity enhancements turned off. If you have such a mouse set up badly, even tiny movements can get interpreted as a drag. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
On 2/23/07, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Bob Warren wrote: Dave wrote: I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de- bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? _ Perhaps I'm missing something here, but doesn't the Lock size and position option in the control's properties solve this problem? Or would it be equally annoying to you to have to set this property for all your controls? If so, I would suggest putting forward the idea of a global property/switch to lock all controls. Bob For me it's mostly annoying during the time after I've put controls onto a card but before I've got them finally positioned. Once they're where I want them, I lock their positions and it's not a problem anymore. If there is a way screen out inadvertent moves associated with mouse clicks, I'm all for it. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Sorry about the extra one... Curse Windows 98. In any program I do that involves objects having to look nice, which means anything I design for someone else... so basically everything... I lock the position of just about everything to prevent this. You can still move the objects with the arrow keys. Another bother I have is that when I have a program with an image in the background that is as big as your stack, which most of my programs have, you cannot drag your mouse across a large area to select all of the objects in it. That's my comments... Brad Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
Martin Baxter wrote: I don't know about the chances of this actually succeeding but Microsoft is clearly attempting to do something about that. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/starter/default.mspx LOL - that site says it all. Not in content, but in form: using Firefox on my Mac, that site looks like hell with text colors in the header all wrong, columns out of alignment, fonts at awkward sizes. It looks like Microsoft is now designing their site to work only with Microsoft Internet Exploder. Their historic obsession with trying to hijack open standards is eating away at their own effectiveness. Good luck, Mr. Gates. 80% of the market, and falling -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
Hi Dave, I know exactly what you mean and completely agree with you. There is one problem though. I often use the mouse to move an object only one pixel. Mouse de-boucing would force me to move objects 2 or 3 pixels into one direction and then 1 or 2 pixels into the opposite direction. Do you have any suggestions, let's say from a user's point of view rather than a programmer's point of view, as to how to avoid this inconvenience? I know that it is possible to use the arrow keys to move objects one pixel at a time, but somehow I use the mouse all the time. Best regards, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 23-feb-2007, om 13:03 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven: Hi, I've been suffering in silence about this for ages! Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way in which the IDE selects and then moves objects? What I mean is that it's way too easy to move an object just by selecting it. e.g. you select it with a mouse down and accidently move the mouse and then the objects shifts a couple of pixels. I think the mouse should be de- bounced, e.g. any movement within a short period should be ignored, or better still it shouldn't move the object until it's been selected by a Mouse Down and a Mouse Up, then to move it you Mouse Down, or maybe you should only be able to move it by dragging a certain area. Anyone agree??? All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re-5: Old bug still in Rev 2.8 OSX Chapter 4
Hi Matthias and Jacque, I removed revpreferences.rev and did a test with messagetester.rev. This time, all messages appeared in the text field and I was able to hear the four beeps. Problem solved. Many thanks, Matthias. Best regards, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 22-feb-2007, om 21:20 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, renaming the My Revolution Studio folder in My Documents does not solve the problem. But there is another Revolution Studio folder under Windows XP For german Windows it can found at C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen \Administrator\Anwendungsdaten\Runtime Revolution\ and for english versions the path should be C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator \Application Data\Runtime Revolution\ where Administrator should be replaced by the username of course. Renaming the file revpreferences.rev which is located in C: \Dokumente und Einstellungen\Administrator\Anwendungsdaten\Runtime Revolution\Revolution Studio\Preferences and C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Runtime Revolution \Revolution Studio\Preferences respectively for english windows versions solves the problem here. The new created revpreferences.rev is 25kb in size. My old file was about 46kb. Very funny, where all-over Rev Studio stores its files. Good job! Very interesting. I was having a crash with 2.8 gm-2 that was also solved by removing the preferences file. One guess about what might have happened is that there is a script error in the older prefs file that caused the startup sequence to abort. Throwing away the prefs and letting Revolution make a new one is a very easy solution. You should get a prize for figuring this out. :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.8 gm-3
Mark- Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 6:17:23 PM, I wrote: I notice there's no 2.8 u3 build. Has that fallen by the wayside? (answers self and says) ...well yes, apparently it has... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Vista Gotchas You Should Know About
On 2/23/07 6:11 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Baxter wrote: I don't know about the chances of this actually succeeding but Microsoft is clearly attempting to do something about that. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/starter/defa ult.mspx LOL - that site says it all. Not in content, but in form: using Firefox on my Mac, that site looks like hell with text colors in the header all wrong, columns out of alignment, fonts at awkward sizes. It looks like Microsoft is now designing their site to work only with Microsoft Internet Exploder. Using Firefox 2.0.0.1 on OSX 10.4.7 I don't see all that you are seeing, Richard, but do find menu buttons that are not set/reset, and some other anomalies. I wonder what we are missing by not using Vista+IE.vista+auto-installed plugins. It looks like you sorta need Vista installed to find out about Vista so that you can decide to install it. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Something that Drives me *CRAZY*
On 2/23/07 5:09 PM, Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about the extra one... Curse Windows 98. In any program I do that involves objects having to look nice, which means anything I design for someone else... so basically everything... I lock the position of just about everything to prevent this. You can still move the objects with the arrow keys. Another bother I have is that when I have a program with an image in the background that is as big as your stack, which most of my programs have, you cannot drag your mouse across a large area to select all of the objects in it. That's my comments... Note: click on the background image, then lock the location using the inspection palette. Now you will be able to drag-select again I have found that if I make the 'bounce' happen, undo will correct this, which is cmd/cntrl-z option 1 use the right mouse button option 2 utility stack script/ library script on doLockAll repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls set the locklocation of control x to true end repeat end doLockAll from the message box dolockAll option 3 group controls so that they are not readily selectable, set the lock location of the group to true, rather than each control. option 4 select the object by -1-choose Select Grouped Controls in the Edit menu -2-use Application Browser from the Tools menu) to click and select the control in question, then use the Size in the inspection palette, or arrow, etc. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
