date:20070604


On 6/4/07, Jeff Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes you will say this is not right, but its
what you just have to deal with when working in the education market,
like it or not. just a fact of life you cant change. We have found
that a lot of home computers that have been handed down to the kids
for their home education machine are in a similar situation. frozen
at the os when handed down and no additional upgrades until they buy
a whole new computer.



Simple logic really. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

If the schools/mums aren't buying the kids new software what possible
advantage could running upgrades do?

Assuming that everything is running fine now, doing an OS upgrade, at best
will require you to upgrade a host of software/drivers. If you lucky you'll
just get away with the time it takes, more likely you'll have to fork over
cash (which the schools aren't going to do) to upgrade at least one piece of
software that is now no longer compatible. At worst you'll also be up for
more ram :-(
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AW: Runrev using Perl

2007-06-04 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB

Servus Franz,
nice to meet you again. Interesting things you're doing there :)
I am not familiar with shell commands yet, nor perl, but how do you get a
result from the shell execution back into a runrev field "feedback"?
Tiemo

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Hi,

Last week I needed some functions runrev doesn't supply but Perl does. I am
working on win and have ActivePerl or Sieperl installed on the PCs.
Therefore I wrote a script, which dynamically runs a perl script from
runrev.
Create a field "perl", put the perl prog in it, remove all comments = text
in a line after # (or write the script for doing this).
Create a field "feedback".

Make a button with the script:

on mouseUp
  put field "perl" into perlprog
  replace cr with empty in perlprog
  put "perl -e " & quote & perlprog & quote into cmdstring
  set the hideconsolewindows to true
  put shell(cmdstring) into field "feedback"
end mouseUp


I tested it with some normal scripts (the result of the script will be
expressed in field "feedback").
This allows using Perl modules as extensions of runrev.
You can of course run any perl script from runrev in a file (the normal way)
with 
  shell("perl " & fileloc)

Second I tested (on win) some GUI-Skripts in Perl using PerlTk:


use Tk;
my $meinFenster = MainWindow->new; 
$meinFenster->Label( -text=>"Servus" )->pack; 
$meinFenster->Button(-text => "Schluss", -command => [$meinFenster =>
'destroy'] )->pack; 
MainLoop; 

On Win and Linux this creates a small GUI window. On Mac there normally is
no PerlTk implementation - you have to install it on your own if you need.
Tk allows to offer an interface for configuration of parameters of the perl
script during runtime.

I will put this info on my (still rudimentary) runrev web pages at
http://animabit.de/runrev

Regards, Franz
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Re: How to: Combining 16x16 bmp images into one bmp image



On 4 Jun 2007, at 03:54, Mark Stuart wrote:

I have several existing (around 25-30) 16x16 bmp color images that  
I would

like to combine into a new bmp file,


Rev can't export BMP files, only PBM, GIF, JPEG or PNG.

where I'd put the images in horizontal format - one line, one  
directly after

the other.


That's no problem at all.


Is Rev able to do this? And if so, how would I write the script?


Something like:

answer folder "pick a folder of images"
  if it is not empty then
put it into tFolder
  else
exit to top
  end if
  set the defaultfolder to tFolder
  put the files into tFiles
  filter tFiles with "*.bmp"
  -- all of above replaced with routine to get list from database


  put 0 into tLeft
  repeat for each line tFile in tFiles
if there is a file tFile then
  import paint from file tFile
  set left of last image to tLeft
  put right of last image into tLeft
end if
  end repeat


Then you'd use the export snapshot command to save the whole lot as a  
single file.
There's no need to use a variable and work out complex concatenation,  
just use images on a stack that is off-screen or with the screen locked.


Ian

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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1



On 4 Jun 2007, at 05:13, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I bought one of the earliest machines and the catalog said "iMac G5  
Intel" but I guess that's just catalog-speak.


It must have been a third-party catalogue (from a designer who was  
being a bit dim), as that's something that Apple have been very  
consistent with - as soon as the iMacs went over to Intel chips Apple  
stopped using 'G5' in any reference to an iMac.


Ian
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Re: Fields - WASTE

2007-06-04 Thread Jan Schenkel

--- -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Hypercard fields were basically TextEdit and
> could
> be accessed with TEHandles.
> 
> WASTE is a word processing program and I am not
> sure how it is done in OS X but the text use to be
> in
> a handle.  It was similar to a TEHandle but it
> didn't
> have anything to do with TextEdit.  Therefore all of
> the limitations of TextEdit could be overcome since
> all of the routines were written for WASTE.
> 
> How are Revolution fields accessed and are they in
> any way compatible with WASTE.
> 
> thanks,
> -=>JB<=-
> 

Hi John,

If my memory isn't playing tricks on me, the WASTE
engine is a Mac-specific technology - I think WASTE is
used by SuperCard, which is only available for Mac.
Revolution uses its own cross-platform library for
handling field display. And that's something we can't
just hack into with externals.
It has its limitations (no paragraph-level formatting,
only basic table support, single alignment,...) but it
has plenty of features if you're not looking to build
a competitor for MS Word ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Fields - Full Justification

2007-06-04 Thread Jan Schenkel

--- -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Revolution provides the ability to align text in
> fields
> Left-Center-Right.
> 
> Is there a way to include Full Justification for
> text in
> a Revolution field.
> 
> thanks,
> -=>JB<=-
> 

Ji John,

Some people have hacked together full-justification by
inserting spaces at strategic spots in the text. So it
can be done, but it aint pretty.

Basically, you have to compare the 'formattedWidth'
property with the field width and its margins - to
figure out how many pixels you need.
Then add spaces between words until it fits - you
could  set their 'textSize' to something small to
ensure they're only 1 pixel wide.
And you'll have to keep track of the non-justified
text if you want to change the content of your field.

In other words, it's better to wait until the RunRev
crew addresses this at the field control level in the
engine.

Best regards,

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Re: Fields - WASTE



On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:10 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:


Hi John,

If my memory isn't playing tricks on me, the WASTE
engine is a Mac-specific technology - I think WASTE is
used by SuperCard, which is only available for Mac.
Revolution uses its own cross-platform library for
handling field display. And that's something we can't
just hack into with externals.
It has its limitations (no paragraph-level formatting,
only basic table support, single alignment,...) but it
has plenty of features if you're not looking to build
a competitor for MS Word ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution


=
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time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



   Hi Jan,

   No I am not looking to compete with MS Word or anything close.
   I am not interested in making a word processor as such.  What
   would be nice is to be able to hack in full justification or even
   better if Revolution made it a standard feature.  Do you know
   why they are not able to do it or don't want to.

   thanks,
   -=>JB<=-

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Re: Fields - Full Justification



On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:16 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:



In other words, it's better to wait until the RunRev
crew addresses this at the field control level in the
engine.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution


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time."  (La Rochefoucauld)




   Hi,

   I agree with you.  If it is going to be sloppy and not efficient why
   waste the time.  I have more important things to do.  Hopefully
   the Rev Team will address the issue.  I think it would be a very
   good improvement.

   -=>JB<=-

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Re: Quartam PDF Library

2007-06-04 Thread Jan Schenkel

--- -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
> I just looked at the info and samples related to
> your Quartam PDF Library.  It looks good but I
> have a few questions.
> 
> 1.  It mentioned something about not all of the
> fonts are supported yet.  I need to be able to
> print anything that can be typed.  I need color,
> styles and fonts to print as seen.  I also want
> to have an full justification option & it sounds
> like you have provided it.
> 

Fonts and styles are special beasties in the PDF
world. It's a long story, dating back to PDF's origin
in PostScript.
For instance, the font must supply separate bold and
italic (aka oblique) fonts to support those two
styles. Underline, strikethrough, outline, shadow and
all that fun aren't even in the PDF specification.

The best part is that I have to actually parse the
postscript and truetype font files to figure out the
exact width of characters - it's not because something
is 6 pixels wide, that this means it's automatically 3
millimeters on paper: the screen version is an
approximation of the font definition.
This parsing system is complicated and not yet
finished. And it gets even better if you also have to
support unicode. So it's something that will take some
time to finish.

In the meantime, the standard set will suffice for
most purposes.

> 2.  I want to be able to print text and graphics
> anywhere at anytime during the printing.  That
> means I want to be able to print text on graphics,
> text on text, graphics on graphics and graphics
> on text.
> 

That is no problem, as everything is layered in the
sequence that you draw graphics, images and text.

> 3.  It mentioned I can select a custom paper
> size.  Are there any limitations on the size.  If
> I want to select a size of 48" x 140" could I do
> it.  Not that I want to I am just wondering.
> 

If Acrobat can display it, it will work ;-)

> 4.  I assume there are no royalties involved.
> It looks like you have a special of $99.  You
> said it was an introductory offer.  Is that a full
> version and how much are upgrades if I buy
> it.  How long will the $99 offer be going for.
> 

Not all details have been determined. The introductory
offer is for the full version which allows you to
include the library royalty-free in your standalone
application.
The $99 offer will probably run for a month or so.

Best regards,

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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Jeff,

My condolences. Way back when I was beta testing my own software, I  
kept several Macs "frozen in time" with old OSs. Unfortunately, this  
kind of stopped with the advent of OSX; never believing in my worst  
of dreams that there would be significant differences between the  
various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb!


So, it seems that Rev needs to line up a series of reliable testers  
who maintain "frozen in time" machines. I would think that they would  
have done this in house in the first place; but, perhaps, they too  
were caught unawares, now needing to rethink this strategy. This  
programming thing just isn't very easy or simple these days, just  
when we thought it might be getting to be both. (uncomfortable smile)


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put a  
stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN  
THE SCHOOLS! This is a big problem for our product. We tested 10.3,  
and 10.4 on ppc and intel, but not 10.2 on ppc. I can still create  
a 10.1-10.2 from 2.6.1 like i do for classic or i guess go back to  
2.8.0 to try the universal build, but we are screwed if the disc  
has already been replicated...


the major jumps in OSX still cost the schools $$ which they dont  
always have and some are very old imacs that dont upgrade to the  
newer systems w/o additional memory and sometimes hard drive space  
(read more  and tech support). many schools just keep the  
computers at the os they were shipped with, some dont even do the  
free automatic updates! Yes you will say this is not right, but its  
what you just have to deal with when working in the education  
market, like it or not. just a fact of life you cant change. We  
have found that a lot of home computers that have been handed down  
to the kids for their home education machine are in a similar  
situation. frozen at the os when handed down and no additional  
upgrades until they buy a whole new computer.


has anyone else tried the 2.8.1 ub builds on 10.2?

i can get our app on a 10.2 system later on monday for a test. this  
is going to hurt if it has to be redone as we will have to do  
another golden master testing round and delay replication a week,  
ouch...


thanks

Jeffrey Reynolds


On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Now this is something I think we need to worry about less than having
a "Classic" potential; since most people who have OSX are going to be
moving up to the latest due to the ease with  which Apple makes
updating the OS. Or am I in the minority when I get automatic updates
from Apple on just about everything whenever there is new software?
I'd be willing to bet that there are many, many fewer using OSX 2.8
than are using OS9.2.

Joe Wilkins


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Sheffield

For anyone who's interested, I did create bug #5109 for this issue.  
Feel free to add your votes.


On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Shari wrote:

I've noticed a lot of software that requires 10.3.9 lately, I get  
the feeling that was pretty much the cutoff these days.


By the way, thank you, Chris, for verifying that I wasn't crazy.  
Much appreciated :-)


A little snippet in the help docs would have been very welcome, and  
saved me much agony, if the Rev engine itself supports such a  
cutoff for variations of OSX.  Maybe even they didn't know...


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Using iTunes Video in Rev

2007-06-04 Thread Tim Bleiler


Hi,

I'm working on an application for a handicapped child that presents a  
simple interface, custom made to the child's needs. We'd like to be  
able to access and play purchased video from the iTunes store within  
this application. However, the purchased files are .m4v and only seem  
to play in the Quicktime player and iTunes, not Rev. Is this related  
to the copy protection? Is there a workaround OTHER than launching  
Quicktime Player or iTunes? Or is it a bug?


Thanks,
Tim Bleiler

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Please confirm if this is a date bug

2007-06-04 Thread Len Morgan

I've been trying to validate a user date entry and I'm not getting what 
I  think the  correct result should be:


in the message box (for simplicity's sake):

put "05/19/1956" is a date
false

This is on Windows XP with 2.8.1.  This DOES work (i.e., returns true) 
on a Mac.


If the year is 1970 or higher, it will return true (as it should).

This seems like it might be related to bug 4911 which reported that if 
you passed "" to is a date, it returned "12/31/1969" instead of "invalid 
date"


Is there a work-around?

Len Morgan
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Re: Please confirm if this is a date bug

2007-06-04 Thread Jim Ault

Sarah Riechelt has done quite a bit of work on this area.

http://troz.net/Rev/libraries.php
DateTime.rev
A collection of date and time functions for extracting certain bits of date
information and for performing date & time conversions and calculations.
Updated to include new functions for ISO week number, Julian dates, Easter,
relative date calculations etc. Thanks to Eric Chatonet and Mark Weider for
their contributions to this library.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/4/07 9:06 AM, "Len Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been trying to validate a user date entry and I'm not getting what
> I  think the  correct result should be:
> 
> in the message box (for simplicity's sake):
> 
> put "05/19/1956" is a date
> false
> 
> This is on Windows XP with 2.8.1.  This DOES work (i.e., returns true)
> on a Mac.
> 
> If the year is 1970 or higher, it will return true (as it should).
> 
> This seems like it might be related to bug 4911 which reported that if
> you passed "" to is a date, it returned "12/31/1969" instead of "invalid
> date"
> 
> Is there a work-around?
> 
> Len Morgan
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Revolution Menulets anyone?

2007-06-04 Thread Brent Anderson


Hello.

Does anyone know if it is possible to create a menulet (Icon in the  
menu bar that you can interact with) in Revolution? I'm getting  
through the Objective-C part of this project just fine, however  
Revolution is definitely preferable to compiler fighting.


Thanks,
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Re: Revolution Menulets anyone?



On 4 Jun 2007, at 17:16, Brent Anderson wrote:

Does anyone know if it is possible to create a menulet (Icon in the  
menu bar that you can interact with) in Revolution?


I think this was added as a new (and unsupported) feature in 2.8.1.

Ian
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Re: Revolution Menulets anyone?

2007-06-04 Thread Shao Sean

I don't think Rev does the menulets (in the menu bar) but it does  
create dock menus (Mac OS X) and system task menus (Windows)

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Re: Revolution Menulets anyone?


Ian Wood wrote:
On 4 Jun 2007, at 17:16, Brent Anderson wrote: 
Does anyone know if it is possible to create a menulet (Icon in the  
menu bar that you can interact with) in Revolution?


I think this was added as a new (and unsupported) feature in 2.8.1.


Hard to guess what sort of priority it'll get, since Apple considers 
those reserved for their own use (although some developers do it anyway) 
- see the bottom of:




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Re: Revolution Menulets anyone?



On 4 Jun 2007, at 17:29, Shao Sean wrote:

I don't think Rev does the menulets (in the menu bar) but it does  
create dock menus (Mac OS X) and system task menus (Windows)


Doh! That's what I was thinking of. I think a menu bar icon would  
have to be done in xcode.


Ian

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Re: Revolution Menulets anyone?

2007-06-04 Thread Brent Anderson


Hello.

Looks like it's Obj-C and xCode for the next couple days.

Sidenote: the link Richard posted is referring to the NSMenuExtra  
object in Cocoa. This object is reserved for use by Apple only,  
however they do have a publicly documented NSStatusItem which is  
accepted and supported by Apple (Otherwise, we wouldn't have things  
like Quicksilver, SMCFanControl, or my menulet project).


Thanks,
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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Jeff Reynolds wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put a stop 
on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE 
SCHOOLS!


Urgh. I hope you can stop it in time, really sorry to hear that.

I just asked the team about the problem, and they weren't aware of it. 
In all those months of beta testing involving hundreds of testers, it 
was never reported. The breakage wasn't intentional. They will do a fix 
ASAP and asked me to let you all know.


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Sheffield


Great news. Thanks, Jacque (and Rev Team) :-)

On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Jeff Reynolds wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put  
a stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL  
IN THE SCHOOLS!


Urgh. I hope you can stop it in time, really sorry to hear that.

I just asked the team about the problem, and they weren't aware of  
it. In all those months of beta testing involving hundreds of  
testers, it was never reported. The breakage wasn't intentional.  
They will do a fix ASAP and asked me to let you all know.


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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

2007-06-04 Thread Bob Warren

With regard to the problem discussed below, I really don't know where to 
start in order to help with the diagnosis, except to note that the said 
Rev example stack seems to be behaving in a different manner on 
different Mac computers.

I am experiencing the problem on a Mac Mini. As a starting point, would 
somebody else with a Mac Mini be kind enough to try out this stack? 
Richard? I believe you have one, don't you?

Thanks,
Bob

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:10:22 -0300, Bob Warren wrote:

> > Bought myself a Mac Mini, Installed 2.8.1, navigated to the Browser 
> > Sampler.rev stack in 2.8.1-gm-1/Resources/Examples, activated stack, 
> > clicked on the "Launch Browser" button and got an error message 
> > "unknown browser id".   :'(  
> > 
> > Does it work for anybody else?

>   

Ken Ray wrote:

>It works here for me, but I did have a similar problem the first time I 

used it. But I closed Rev, reopened it, reopened the Browser Sampler, 
and this time instead of clicking on "Launch Browser", I paged forward 
to the 5th page of the documentation stack entitled "A Simple Browser", 
and that worked for me. From then on the stack worked flawlessly, 
including the "Launch Browser" button. Don't know why..

Ken, I've just tried following your method and it works, but with 2 differences:

1) There is no "cure". I always have to open the simple browser on p5 before 
the button on p1 will work.
2) Before navigating to p5, I need to try (and fail) with the p1 button.

So to get the example to run ever, the sequence is p1 (with failure) > p5 (OK) 
> p1 (OK).

The other day I tried knocking up my own little stack from the example given in 
the Newsletter last month. That didn't work either, but I put it down to the 
entity sitting in front of the keyboard.

There is indeed stuff here! Must be my punishment for abandoning my beloved 
Ubuntu for 10 minutes!

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Re: How to: Combining 16x16 bmp images into one bmp image

2007-06-04 Thread mfstuart


Thanx Ian.
I'll try your code out in the next few days.
-Mark
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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Hi Jacque,

Any chance this went to the top of their list? Should have a number  
of people with baited breath!

Your connections are great. Thanks.

Joe Wilkins

On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Jeff Reynolds wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put  
a stop on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL  
IN THE SCHOOLS!


Urgh. I hope you can stop it in time, really sorry to hear that.

I just asked the team about the problem, and they weren't aware of  
it. In all those months of beta testing involving hundreds of  
testers, it was never reported. The breakage wasn't intentional.  
They will do a fix ASAP and asked me to let you all know.


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Drawing speed in rev 2.8

2007-06-04 Thread James Hurley

I've just moved over to 2.8 and have  found a significant loss of  
speed in drawing with the  pencil tool.


Does anyone have any idea why the handler below would take 88 ticks  
in 2.7, but 302 ticks in 2.8?


(I realize their are many  other ways to draw a circle.)

Jim Hurley

on mouseUp
  put the ticks into tStartTime

  repeat while the number of images >0
delete image 1
  end repeat

  put the width of this card/2 into x0
  put the height of this card/2 into y0
  put 0 into  x
  put 0 into  y
  put  2 into tStep
  put 0 into tAng
  put pi/180 into radPerDeg
  choose the pencil tool

  repeat with tAng = 1 to 360
put tStep* cos(radPerDeg* tAng) into dx
put  tStep * sin(radPerDeg *  tAng) into dy
drag from round(x0+x),round(y0+y) to round(x0+x+dx), round(y0+y+dy)
add dx to x
add dy to y
  end repeat

  choose the browse tool
  put the ticks - tStartTime into msg box
end mouseUp
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Re: Please confirm if this is a date bug

2007-06-04 Thread Len Morgan

Unfortunately, this doesn't work for the same reason.  If I use Sarah's library, with 
"05/19/1956", the function yearToNum() returns 2007 (not 1956) because it 
substitutes the current date if it thinks I've passed an invalid date.

Len Morgan

Sarah Riechelt has done quite a bit of work on this area.

http://troz.net/Rev/libraries.php
DateTime.rev
A collection of date and time functions for extracting certain bits of date
information and for performing date & time conversions and calculations.
Updated to include new functions for ISO week number, Julian dates, Easter,
relative date calculations etc. Thanks to Eric Chatonet and Mark Weider for
their contributions to this library.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/4/07 9:06 AM, "Len Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been trying to validate a user date entry and I'm not getting what
> I  think the  correct result should be:
> 
> in the message box (for simplicity's sake):
> 
> put "05/19/1956" is a date

> false
> 
> This is on Windows XP with 2.8.1.  This DOES work (i.e., returns true)

> on a Mac.
> 
> If the year is 1970 or higher, it will return true (as it should).
> 
> This seems like it might be related to bug 4911 which reported that if

> you passed "" to is a date, it returned "12/31/1969" instead of "invalid
> date"
> 
> Is there a work-around?
> 
> Len Morgan

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Re: Please confirm if this is a date bug

2007-06-04 Thread Ken Ray

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:06:34 -0500, Len Morgan wrote:

> I've been trying to validate a user date entry and I'm not getting 
> what I  think the  correct result should be:
> 
> in the message box (for simplicity's sake):
> 
> put "05/19/1956" is a date
> false
> 
> This is on Windows XP with 2.8.1.  This DOES work (i.e., returns 
> true) on a Mac.
> 
> If the year is 1970 or higher, it will return true (as it should).
> 
> This seems like it might be related to bug 4911 which reported that 
> if you passed "" to is a date, it returned "12/31/1969" instead of 
> "invalid date"
> 
> Is there a work-around?

1970 is the Windows "beginning of time" that affects all (AFAIK) 
WIndows programs that deal with dates without writing or using a custom 
library (i.e. it's a Windows kernel issue). You can get around this by 
simply adding 1000 to the year; if you can't add 1000 to the year - it 
means the last part of the "date" is not a number (and you can return 
that it's not a date). If it *does* add the 1000, you can use the rest 
of the month/day to validate that with the "is a date" function. The 
only trouble you might have is leap year days (Feb 29), which would 
take a different calculation:

function isLeapYear pYear
  return ((pYear mod 400 = 0) or ((pYear mod 4 = 0) and (pYear mod 100 
<> 0)))
end isLeapYear

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Re: Drawing speed in rev 2.8

2007-06-04 Thread Scott Rossi

Recently, James Hurley wrote:

> I've just moved over to 2.8 and have  found a significant loss of
> speed in drawing with the  pencil tool.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea why the handler below would take 88 ticks
> in 2.7, but 302 ticks in 2.8?

I see the same speed you describe in 2.8.1.  Not sure why there is a
difference compared to older versions, but the following could be a
workaround for you, plus allow you to somewhat control the speed at which
the drawing is completed.

[ between the NEW comments ]

on mouseUp
  put the ticks into tStartTime
  
  repeat while the number of images >0
delete image 1
  end repeat
  
  put the width of this card/2 into x0
  put the height of this card/2 into y0
  put 0 into  x
  put 0 into  y
  put  2 into tStep
  put 0 into tAng
  put pi/180 into radPerDeg
  choose the pencil tool
  -- BEGIN NEW
  put "" into tLocked
  
  repeat with tAng = 1 to 360
if tAng mod 8 <> 0 then -- HIGHER NUMBER = FASTER DRAW RATE
  if not tLocked then
lock screen
put true into tLocked
  end if
else
  unlock screen
  put false into tLocked
end if
-- END NEW
put tStep* cos(radPerDeg* tAng) into dx
put  tStep * sin(radPerDeg *  tAng) into dy
drag from round(x0+x),round(y0+y) to round(x0+x+dx), round(y0+y+dy)
add dx to x
add dy to y
  end repeat
  
  choose the browse tool
  put the ticks - tStartTime into msg box
end mouseUp

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Using iTunes Video in Rev

2007-06-04 Thread Scott Rossi

Recently, Tim Bleiler wrote:

> We'd like to be  
> able to access and play purchased video from the iTunes store within
> this application. However, the purchased files are .m4v and only seem
> to play in the Quicktime player and iTunes, not Rev. Is this related
> to the copy protection? Is there a workaround OTHER than launching
> Quicktime Player or iTunes? Or is it a bug?

According to Trevor DeVore, an Apple engineer he spoke with (or someone
close to Apple) claims that QT playback in anything outside of QT and iTunes
is prohibited, thus will fail in outside of those apps (chalk it up to that
great DRM we all love so much).  Indeed, this has been my experience.  You
may be stuck using the QT player unless someone else has a workaround/hack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Hi Jacque,

Any chance this went to the top of their list? Should have a number of 
people with baited breath!


I'm sure it will be fixed, they know about it now. But someone with an 
OS 10.2 machine should probably take a look when the next release comes 
out. Won't be long.


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Reynolds

You got it... basically what you have to deal with are these  
roadblocks to upgrades


-  cost of OS upgrade

-  having someone who will install it (k-6 teachers tend not to like  
to poke at their computers and many schools have no tech support or  
one guy  in the whole district to do it all, ill see you next month)


-  cost of ram and hard drive that may be needed by older computer

-  fear that older computers cant hack running the newer os (not  
usually true, but no one wants to spend the money and have to explain  
if the computer now runs slower...)


-  fear of older software not working on newer system (usually not a  
problem, but a strong fear anyway)


-  strong fear computer might die in an upgrade (not rational, but  
its there, backs into if it aint broke dont fix it)


i cant get publishers to take software that only requires recent oses  
as it narrows the market way too much to make a profit for them.


I cant afford the full testing company for a full os matrix test,  
usually can just get the biggies with the testing system i have in  
place (moonlighter at an ed testing company



Jeffrey Reynolds
6620 Michaels Dr.
Bethesda, MD  20817
301.469.8562
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Simple logic really. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

If the schools/mums aren't buying the kids new software what possible
advantage could running upgrades do?

Assuming that everything is running fine now, doing an OS upgrade,  
at best
will require you to upgrade a host of software/drivers. If you  
lucky you'll
just get away with the time it takes, more likely you'll have to  
fork over
cash (which the schools aren't going to do) to upgrade at least one  
piece of
software that is now no longer compatible. At worst you'll also be  
up for

more ram :-(


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Reynolds


Jacqueline,

Thanks for pushing this up, its a nasty one for me. i really would  
rather not have three apps for the mac with an os9, ox 10.1-2 and a  
10.3-4. this would just confuse folks. really want to have and intel  
ub since education stuff stick around and i expect by 10.6 intels  
will not be able to run non intel apps.


we found a few quirks in win98 testing that using 2.6.1worked around  
well so we now have two windows apps...


have not heard yet if the replication is stopped or not. it was  
tricky since the first pressing goes with a kids book and the books  
are printed in china already and just waiting the cds to go in...


cheers,

jeff


Jeffrey Reynolds



On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Jeff Reynolds wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] we just sent our cd out for replication, im trying to put  
a stop

on it if possible. 10.1 and 10.2 ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE
SCHOOLS!


Urgh. I hope you can stop it in time, really sorry to hear that.

I just asked the team about the problem, and they weren't aware of it.
In all those months of beta testing involving hundreds of testers, it
was never reported. The breakage wasn't intentional. They will do a  
fix

ASAP and asked me to let you all know.


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Chipp Walters


On 6/4/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


never believing in my worst
of dreams that there would be significant differences between the
various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb!




Yep.  One of the biggest hassles we had with altBrowser on Mac was how to
keep it working on older OSX versions, as WebKit, which altBrowser for Mac
was built upon, kept changing from version to version, even dot release to
dot release. I'm pretty sure we had a different version of altBrowser for
OSX 10.2.8 than for OSX 10.3 because there was no way around it.

Of course Microsoft couldn't get away with the number of changes and
incompatibilities as their developer user base would not put up with it.
Apple has a much smaller group who are used to wholesale changes in source
code and compatibilties over the years. While we compatibility rev'd
altBrowser on Mac over and over again, we rarely (if ever) did the same on
PC's. Not to say that aren't slew of other probls with Windows (yep, just
try installing a simple screen capture app with 20Mb of .Net 2.0 runtimes!).
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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

Just not a perfect world, Chipp. Should we consider going back to the  
days of the Monroe Doctrine? Probably not, but it is sure tempting.  
Even one on one relationships are dangerously unpredictable these  
days; much less country to country. Sigh!


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:


On 6/4/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


never believing in my worst
of dreams that there would be significant differences between the
various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb!




Yep.  One of the biggest hassles we had with altBrowser on Mac was  
how to
keep it working on older OSX versions, as WebKit, which altBrowser  
for Mac
was built upon, kept changing from version to version, even dot  
release to
dot release. I'm pretty sure we had a different version of  
altBrowser for

OSX 10.2.8 than for OSX 10.3 because there was no way around it.

Of course Microsoft couldn't get away with the number of changes and
incompatibilities as their developer user base would not put up  
with it.
Apple has a much smaller group who are used to wholesale changes in  
source

code and compatibilties over the years. While we compatibility rev'd
altBrowser on Mac over and over again, we rarely (if ever) did the  
same on
PC's. Not to say that aren't slew of other probls with Windows  
(yep, just
try installing a simple screen capture app with 20Mb of .Net 2.0  
runtimes!).


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OT: Steve Jobs / Bill Gates unplugged

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Wieder

If anyone hasn't yet seen the Steve Jobs/Bill Gates joint interview at the 
All Things Digital D5 conference, here's a link to the highlights video. The 
whole thing is also available in video parts and is well worth watching if 
you have the time (a bit over an hour all told), but the eight minutes of 
highlights easily stand alone.

http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070531/video-steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-highlight-reel/

-- 
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Re: Bluetooth/USP GPS

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Condit


Hi Camm-

Looking at my MacBookPro's System Preferences, it appears if I go to 
"Bluetooth" settings, that under "Sharing" I  have the option to 
"Start Serial Port" using one of two "Type" settings, either "Modem" 
or "RS232" .   By default, the port is named "SerialPort-1" .


To me, that implies that if I select RS232 as my "Type" setting , a 
Bluetooth GPS will be communicating through SerialPort-1 as if it was 
an RS232 device.


Does that make sense?

thanks for your continuing help on this - I want to make sure I buy 
the correct GPS system!


Chris

CAMM29 said:
Chris ,
Well , that's not exactly what I said !
RunRev only has in built Commands for RS232 Type Data talking via RS232 Com
Ports 1-9 ,
My setup is
PC Side (RunRev)   USB to Bluetooth Dongle configured as Virtual RS232
Com Port 1
Third Party Side --- Bluetooth to RS232 Convertor
So RunRev thinks its talking via a standard RS232 Link , its does not matter
what the transmission medium is but
RunRev must see RS232 Data on a RS232 ComPort at the end of the day !!!

Hope that Helps !

Regards
Camm
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Univ. Massachusetts,  611 North Pleasant St., Amherst, MA, 01003-9297
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Re: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP



On 26 May 2007, at 21:46, Ian Wood wrote:

Thanks, I just wanted to see if it was something specific to me  
before contacting Trevor directly, as I can't see any changes from  
similar standalones built a couple of months ago using the same  
install of Rev and the same copy of the external. ?!?


Further stuff. It looks like my older standalones were also crashing,  
if you are running Windows and have a bit of spare time, could you  
download the following beta and let me know what happens when you  
launch it? On both my machines (XP SP2) it's crashing immediately and  
asking whether I want to send a crash report.


 (1.8MB)

Thanks in advance,

Ian

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Re: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP

2007-06-04 Thread Malte Brill


Hi Ian,

>  (1.8MB)

your standalone crashes immediately after an answering dialogue 
(external found) on first launch on my machine, but not in any launch 
after the first. It then has 2 answer dialogues. One it found the 
external, one I have 30 days left of my trial. Maybe it is not the 
external? Do you write anything to disk that is missing on first launch?


(german) Win XP home edition

All the best,

Malte
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Suggestion

Hi all, id like to suggest to rev that since Rev is currently the owner of
its engine and is already nice and stable, I think that all functions that
start with rev...  The word " rev" e.g. revOpenDatabase(,), should be
openDabase( , ) or dataFromQuery( ,) instead.
And while at it I'd like to underline e.g. RevSetDatabaseDriverPath
defaultFolder is not the standard like all other functions of RR.
Should be "set the databaseDriverPath to the defaultFolder". Just my 2
cents.
Hershel

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Re: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP



On 4 Jun 2007, at 21:46, Malte Brill wrote:

your standalone crashes immediately after an answering dialogue  
(external found) on first launch on my machine, but not in any  
launch after the first. It then has 2 answer dialogues. One it  
found the external, one I have 30 days left of my trial. Maybe it  
is not the external? Do you write anything to disk that is missing  
on first launch?


Interesting. It does write a file to disk, but I'm getting consistent  
crashes on the QT-only test stack when built for Win:




Ian
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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen


I thought altBrowser was never supported on 10.2.8, only on 10.3 and later.

Microsoft did change things with the Speech API.  Remember how SAPI 4 
and SAPI 5 weren't compatible?  You had to pick which DLL you ran for Rev.


Chipp Walters wrote:

On 6/4/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


never believing in my worst
of dreams that there would be significant differences between the
various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb!




Yep.  One of the biggest hassles we had with altBrowser on Mac was how to
keep it working on older OSX versions, as WebKit, which altBrowser for 
Mac
was built upon, kept changing from version to version, even dot 
release to

dot release. I'm pretty sure we had a different version of altBrowser for
OSX 10.2.8 than for OSX 10.3 because there was no way around it.

Of course Microsoft couldn't get away with the number of changes and
incompatibilities as their developer user base would not put up with it.
Apple has a much smaller group who are used to wholesale changes in 
source

code and compatibilties over the years. While we compatibility rev'd
altBrowser on Mac over and over again, we rarely (if ever) did the 
same on

PC's. Not to say that aren't slew of other probls with Windows (yep, just
try installing a simple screen capture app with 20Mb of .Net 2.0 
runtimes!).

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Re: Suggestion

2007-06-04 Thread Andre Garzia


That be nice but it would break compatibility with everyone... :-/

On 6/4/07, Hershel Fisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all, id like to suggest to rev that since Rev is currently the owner of
its engine and is already nice and stable, I think that all functions that
start with rev...  The word " rev" e.g. revOpenDatabase(,), should be
openDabase( , ) or dataFromQuery( ,) instead.
And while at it I'd like to underline e.g. RevSetDatabaseDriverPath
defaultFolder is not the standard like all other functions of RR.
Should be "set the databaseDriverPath to the defaultFolder". Just my 2
cents.
Hershel

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Re: Suggestion


AMEN!

Joe Wilkins

On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


That be nice but it would break compatibility with everyone... :-/

On 6/4/07, Hershel Fisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all, id like to suggest to rev that since Rev is currently the  
owner of
its engine and is already nice and stable, I think that all  
functions that

start with rev...  The word " rev" e.g. revOpenDatabase(,), should be
openDabase( , ) or dataFromQuery( ,) instead.
And while at it I'd like to underline e.g. RevSetDatabaseDriverPath
defaultFolder is not the standard like all other functions of RR.
Should be "set the databaseDriverPath to the defaultFolder". Just  
my 2

cents.
Hershel


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Re: Suggestion



On 4 Jun 2007, at 21:57, Andre Garzia wrote:


That be nice but it would break compatibility with everyone... :-/


Wouldn't it be possible to make them synonyms, like bordercolor,  
fourthcolor and markerfillcolor?


Ian
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Re: problem with encryption

2007-06-04 Thread David Beck



I finally resolved the issue with PHP and Rev encryption and I wanted to 
share the resolution with the list. I was able to get aes-128 bit 
working - 256 is still a mystery. (I think there is a problem with Rev 
only looking at the first 16 bytes of the IV value for 256 bit, as it 
appears bytes after #16 do not affect the resulting encrypted value with 
Rev. I will log this as a bug.)


The problem is that when the data being encrypted was not 16-byte 
aligned, meaning that the length of the data was not evenly divisible by 
16, the Rev and PHP mcrypt libraries would encrypt and dycrypt the 
values differently. I don't know if this is a bug in the mcrypt library 
or in Rev or a general lack of specification but that was the problem. 
Also PHP throws in some extra null characters when decrypting even 
16-byte aligned strings at the end, so what I am doing is including the 
length of the original data so that after the decryption is done with 
PHP just that data is used as the final decrypted string.


So to put all of this is technical terms, here is the Rev script to 
encrypt the data:


On encryptData theKey, @data
 -- first generate a random 16 byte IV value
 put getRandomSalt() into theIV

 put binaryEncode( "N", the number of chars in data ) into dataSize
 
 -- pad to size 16

 repeat while the number of chars in data mod 16 is not 0
   put numToChar( 0 ) after data
 end repeat

 encrypt data using "aes-128-cbc" with key theKey and iv theIV
 if the result is not empty then
   ci_NoteAlert "Error while encrypting:" && the result
   exit to top
 end if

 put dataSize & theIV & it into data

 return data
end encryptData

and the php to decode a chunk of data returned by the above script looks 
like:


function decryptData( $theKey, &$data )
{
   $dataLen = substr( $data, 0, 4 );
   $dataLenArr = unpack( "N*", $dataLen );
   $dataLen = $dataLenArr[1];
  
   $data = substr( $data, 4 );
  
   $iv = substr( $data, 0, 16 );

   $data = substr( $data, 16 );

   $td = mcrypt_module_open( MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_128, '', 'cbc', '' );
   mcrypt_generic_init( $td, $theKey, $iv );
   $data = mdecrypt_generic( $td, $data );
   mcrypt_generic_deinit($td);
   mcrypt_module_close($td);

   $data = substr( $data, 0, $dataLen );
}

Hope this is helpful to somebody in the future!

David





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Re: Suggestion


Hershel Fisch wrote:

Hi all, id like to suggest to rev that since Rev is currently the owner of
its engine and is already nice and stable, I think that all functions that
start with rev...  The word " rev" e.g. revOpenDatabase(,), should be
openDabase( , ) or dataFromQuery( ,) instead.
And while at it I'd like to underline e.g. RevSetDatabaseDriverPath
defaultFolder is not the standard like all other functions of RR.
Should be "set the databaseDriverPath to the defaultFolder". Just my 2
cents.


The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by 
the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.


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Re: Bluetooth/USP GPS

2007-06-04 Thread Camm29

Chris ,

It looks promising , the only thing now is the actual data to/from the GPS ?

Let's say the GPS is using Bluetooth and your PC is setup for Bluetooth
on RS232 Port 1

RunRev can now see that data on RS232 Port 1 , you will have to check what
sort of Data
the GPS transmit and/or receives ? Are they simple commands etc 

Regards
Camm

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Condit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Bluetooth/USP GPS


> Hi Camm-
>
> Looking at my MacBookPro's System Preferences, it appears if I go to
> "Bluetooth" settings, that under "Sharing" I  have the option to
> "Start Serial Port" using one of two "Type" settings, either "Modem"
> or "RS232" .   By default, the port is named "SerialPort-1" .
>
> To me, that implies that if I select RS232 as my "Type" setting , a
> Bluetooth GPS will be communicating through SerialPort-1 as if it was
> an RS232 device.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> thanks for your continuing help on this - I want to make sure I buy
> the correct GPS system!
>
> Chris
> 
> CAMM29 said:
> Chris ,
> Well , that's not exactly what I said !
> RunRev only has in built Commands for RS232 Type Data talking via RS232
Com
> Ports 1-9 ,
> My setup is
> PC Side (RunRev)   USB to Bluetooth Dongle configured as Virtual RS232
> Com Port 1
> Third Party Side --- Bluetooth to RS232 Convertor
> So RunRev thinks its talking via a standard RS232 Link , its does not
matter
> what the transmission medium is but
> RunRev must see RS232 Data on a RS232 ComPort at the end of the day !!!
>
> Hope that Helps !
>
> Regards
> Camm
> --
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> Univ. Massachusetts,  611 North Pleasant St., Amherst, MA, 01003-9297
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  413-545-0272
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Re: Suggestion

On 6/4/07 5:02 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> AMEN!
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
>> That be nice but it would break compatibility with everyone... :-/
Keep the previously not to be documented for legacy until a certain time or
version.
Hershel

>>> Should be "set the databaseDriverPath to the defaultFolder".
?
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Re: Suggestion

On 6/4/07 5:21 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by
> the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.
I think the beautify of the code is more important then to be able to
identify for the novice, besides the point a flag could be entered for that
for the standalone and the pro would anyhow know.
Hershel

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Re: Suggestion

On 6/4/07 5:43 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 6/4/07 5:21 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by
>> the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.
And by now, why isn't it built in direct into the engine?
Hershel
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Re: problem with encryption

2007-06-04 Thread Martin Baxter


David Beck wrote:


I finally resolved the issue with PHP and Rev encryption and I wanted to 
share the resolution with the list. I was able to get aes-128 bit 
working - 256 is still a mystery. (I think there is a problem with Rev 
only looking at the first 16 bytes of the IV value for 256 bit, as it 
appears bytes after #16 do not affect the resulting encrypted value with 
Rev. I will log this as a bug.)



...snip...


Hope this is helpful to somebody in the future!



Thank you for posting that David. I've saved it for future reference. :-)

Martin Baxter
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Re: Suggestion


Hershel Fisch wrote:

On 6/4/07 5:21 PM, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:

The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by
the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.


I think the beautify of the code is more important then to be able to
identify for the novice, besides the point a flag could be entered for that
for the standalone and the pro would anyhow know.


I'm not so sure.  I've been using Rev professionally for more than a 
decade, and with more than 2000 tokens in the engine and another several 
hundred in libraries and externals, I dare admit I haven't memorized 
them all.


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Re: Suggestion

2007-06-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen


Everything that requires a .dll external, like speech, XML, etc.

Hershel Fisch wrote:

On 6/4/07 5:43 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

On 6/4/07 5:21 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by
the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.
  

And by now, why isn't it built in direct into the engine?
Hershel
  

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LSUIElement

2007-06-04 Thread Brent Anderson


Hello.

On Mac OS X you can insert a plist entry for LSUIElement with a  
string value of 1 to make it not have a dock icon. Revolution,  
however, doesn't seem to respect this plist entry and it shows up on  
the dock anyway. Any thoughts on keeping Revolution from showing up  
in the dock or application switcher?


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
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Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

Help!

I am trying to get Revolution 2.8.1 for Mac OS X to install on an iMac
that I just upgraded to 10.0.4.  Little did I know that Apple changed
the dmg format to include a new type of disk, and the version of
Revolution that is offered as a StuffIt Archive on the RunRev site won't
launch.

Does anyone know of another source or location to download 2.8.1?  Also,
does anyone know of a way to get the new dmg images to work on 10.0.4?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software


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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0



On 4 Jun 2007, at 23:30, Derek Bump wrote:


I am trying to get Revolution 2.8.1 for Mac OS X to install on an iMac
that I just upgraded to 10.0.4.


10.0.4 or 10.4.0? In either case, I'd recommend updating a bit... ;-)

Ian
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Re: Suggestion


Hershel Fisch wrote:

On 6/4/07 5:43 PM, "Hershel Fisch"  wrote:


On 6/4/07 5:21 PM, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:

The "rev" prefix helps identify calls that are not natively supported by
the engine, requiring additional libraries and/or externals.


And by now, why isn't it built in direct into the engine?


The question of dividing lines is central to so many architectural 
questions in computing.  In this case, setting the dividing line between 
what's in the engine and what isn't, the general impression I get is 
that the more frequently it's needed, the more likely it is to go in the 
engine.


The benefit is that it keeps the core engine small (2MB is smaller than 
even the most trivial apps Apple puts out), while still allowing 
additional functionality for those apps that need it.


That said, I use player objects in only about half the apps I build, so 
maybe QT support is a good candidate for being outside the engine.


Ideally, we might one day see almost everything outside of the core 
interpreter made into a modular architecture, so that small utilities 
could be even smaller than they are today, while more complex apps could 
have their needed components added automatically at build time.


If/when such an architecture emerges, I would definitely support 
dropping the "rev" prefix, since at that point most things would be 
"outside the engine" because the engine itself would become a 
fundamentally different thing.


But in the meantime, libraries and externals require extra steps to set 
up and use, so having a means to clearly distinguish their APIs is helpful.


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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

Ian Wood wrote:
> 10.0.4 or 10.4.0? In either case, I'd recommend updating a bit... ;-)

It's 10.0.4.  My information says the maximum OS version I can go to is
10.3.9, but it'll be a little while before I'll have the money to
upgrade the other components of the iMac to even be able to handle that OS.

As far as I can figure, if I can get Revolution 2.8.1 to run on 10.0.4,
then I'll be able to upgrade my license and begin porting my software to
the Mac (finally).  After messing around with Emulation and getting Mac
OS X to run on my Intel PC, doing it the right way just seems like the
best way... but I can't even get it to work doing it the right way.
(funny, sometimes it is easier to do things the "wrong" way).


Derek Bump
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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

On 6/4/07 6:30 PM, "Derek Bump" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Help!
>> Does anyone know of another source or location to download 2.8.1?  Also,
> does anyone know of a way to get the new dmg images to work on 10.0.4?

2.8.1 will not work on 10.2.x and I believe less then .3.x as well.
Hershel
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> Derek Bump
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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 2.8.1 will not work on 10.2.x and I believe less then .3.x as well.

Well... I feel stupid.  I guess after years and years of using
Revolution (and MetaCard respectively) I had gotten accustomed to the
idea that Revolution would still work on MacOS X 10.0.  Especially since
my first iBook came with 10.0 and Revolution worked fine then.

But, after Hershel's response I decided to check out the Requirements
page for Revolution:  Mac OS X 10.2.7 or later

On the bright side, I only paid $20 for the 10.0 installer CD.  Thanks
for all the help!


Derek Bump
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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0



On 4 Jun 2007, at 23:39, Derek Bump wrote:


It's 10.0.4.


You won't want to hear this, but the whole 10.0.x cycle was  
effectively a beta OS and not something you should even *consider*  
trying to do development work on. :-(


Fully legal copies of 10.2 and 10.3 are pretty cheap on eBay due to  
Apple's 'full copy, no upgrades' policy, 10.3 install disks go for  
$30-40. 10.2.8 is really the minimum you should be looking at.


Ian
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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

On 6/4/07 6:52 PM, "Derek Bump" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> 2.8.1 will not work on 10.2.x and I believe less then .3.x as well.
>> But, after Hershel's response I decided to check out the Requirements
> page for Revolution:  Mac OS X 10.2.7 or later
The page says 10.2.7 or later, but I say 2.8.1 will not launch on 10.2.8, I
tried and played around with it much time. If you come up with something let
me know.
Hershel

> 
>> 
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Re: LSUIElement

2007-06-04 Thread Devin Asay



On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:


Hello.

On Mac OS X you can insert a plist entry for LSUIElement with a  
string value of 1 to make it not have a dock icon. Revolution,  
however, doesn't seem to respect this plist entry and it shows up  
on the dock anyway. Any thoughts on keeping Revolution from showing  
up in the dock or application switcher?


Brent,

Have no fear, it does work. :-) The issue is somewhat similar to the  
icon issue on Mac OS X, where the new icon doesn't show up unless you  
goose the app by zipping and unzipping it, opening Get Info and  
selecting and deleting the generic icon. Different people have  
different ways of fixing this. In the case of LSIElement, if you have  
ever launched your standalone *before* adding the LSUIElement node to  
the plist, then you add it and launch the standalone again, the  
change is not respected by the OS. Something about the application  
database or cache the OS keeps. Try this: make your standalone, and  
be sure to change the plist file before you ever launch it. Or, take  
your standalone to another OS X machine and launch it. You will see  
the desired effect. There may a better method for forcing the OS to  
see your app as a brand-new, never-run-before program, but one of  
these techniques always works for me.


Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Using iTunes Video in Rev

2007-06-04 Thread Jim Lambert



You may be stuck using the QT player unless someone else has a 
workaround/hack.


Maybe embed the QT Player in a webpage then display with altBrowser?

Jim Lambert

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Re: Using iTunes Video in Rev



On 5 Jun 2007, at 00:46, Jim Lambert wrote:

You may be stuck using the QT player unless someone else has a  
workaround/hack.


Maybe embed the QT Player in a webpage then display with altBrowser?


I'm pretty sure that it's specifically the QT Player *application*,  
not the QT framework. So no browser plug-ins, and no third-party QT  
apps.


Ian
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Re: Quartam PDF Library



On Jun 4, 2007, at 3:37 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote


Fonts and styles are special beasties in the PDF
world. It's a long story, dating back to PDF's origin
in PostScript.
For instance, the font must supply separate bold and
italic (aka oblique) fonts to support those two
styles. Underline, strikethrough, outline, shadow and
all that fun aren't even in the PDF specification.

The best part is that I have to actually parse the
postscript and truetype font files to figure out the
exact width of characters - it's not because something
is 6 pixels wide, that this means it's automatically 3
millimeters on paper: the screen version is an
approximation of the font definition.
This parsing system is complicated and not yet
finished. And it gets even better if you also have to
support unicode. So it's something that will take some
time to finish.

In the meantime, the standard set will suffice for
most purposes.






Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution




   Hi Jan,

   Thanks for the info.  Sorry to hear about the complex
   problems with different fonts & styles.

   Are you fairly confident that in the future the user will
   be able to use any font & style and also print them in
   full justification or is it too complicated to say for sure.

   regards,
   -=>JB<=-

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A rather long anecdote about upgrading

2007-06-04 Thread Björnke von Gierke

There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth recently over the sudden
incapability of Rev to run on 10.2 versions of Mac OS X. Of course
there where some who would say "Just buy an upgrade, it's only dollar amount they seem to have in their pockets as change>". That
reminded me of a task I am still going trough now.

I play the computer expert for a non profit organisation from time to
time. They're quite small, and do not have a big budget. One of their
most important services is a phone line that is run by an interactive
voice menu (press 1 for x, press 2 for y, etc.). It is run when no one
is at the office, which is most of the time. This service to the
general public is run by a Windows 98 machine with a voice modem
attached, and some off the shelf software.

The same Computer also host their donator and tax databases, and is
also used as general internet entry point. They had problems with the
antivirus (Norton) software auto upgrade, so Symantec told them to
upgrade to the newest version to get it to work. However, due to the
upgrade, the phone software started to have random lock ups (in
addition to Norton AV still not updating automatically).

Of note here is that the machine had 32 MB or RAM at that time. So we
asked everyone and their dog if they still had PC-100 RAM modules
laying around. Meanwhile we bought a second computer, for people to
work on (which they didn't, because the old one was always running,
while the new one had to be started and shut down, and the databases
where still on the old one).

After some months, we finally found someone who had spare PC-100's, and
upgraded the RAM of the old machine to a whooping 128 MB. which of
course didn't solve anything at all. Because of that, they decided to
finally get a new machine as replacement.

Now we found out that the phone software does not run on anything newer
then Windows 98 (maybe Windows ME, but we didn't really want to go down
that route). Therefore we attach the voice modem to the already
installed second PC which had Windows XP installed, and tried some
software.

Unfortunately most software was unusable, either failing to see the
modem at all, or failing to do anything with it. One of the products I
tested gave a hint about the voice modem not having the needed windows
telephone api version, but only an older one (said software was a UI
nightmare, and crashed all the time, even when only choosing menus, but
at least it told us what's wrong with our hardware, instead of silently
ignoring it's existence).

So we went shopping for a new telephone hardware. But voice modem are
not recommended, so we got an internal telephone PCI card, a voice
board. Sadly, only marginally more software ran on the voice board then
on the voice modem, and we got quite desperate, so we started to mail
the developers of these softwares, to get anything working at all.

Maybe I should also mention that many developers didn't have a test
version on their site, instead offering to build a interactive voice
menu to our specification, without showing a price on the site at all.
I mostly ignored those. On the other hand, all software I was able to
test looked as if it was designed for Windows 95. Fortunately we
finally found two products we actually would use, and decided on one of
them.
Next week we will take phone line handling away from the old computer,
and make a trial phase with the new software.

All in all this showed us a very simple thing:
Just to get rid of an anti virus software not updating automatically,
we had to buy lots of stuff, and invest three quarters of a year.
Updating vintage systems, even if it's to get a bug fixed, is most
probably a costly endeavour, not to talk of all the now greyed and torn
out hairs.

i hope you had fun reading this
Bjoernke

PS: And next we'll replace the databases, to finally get rid of Windows
98.

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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Wieder

Derek-

Monday, June 4, 2007, 3:30:27 PM, you wrote:

> Does anyone know of another source or location to download 2.8.1? Also,
> does anyone know of a way to get the new dmg images to work on 10.0.4?

It's a little worse than that, actually. I used the "check for new
versions" option to try to get the files down onto 10.2.8, and while
it worked, the binary application itself doesn't run.

Best bet is to wait for 2.8.2.

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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions

2007-06-04 Thread Shari

I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-)  Actually, I 
skipped from 8.6 to 10.2.8.  Never even saw OS 9.


The first OSX's that Apple sold included OS 9 on the CD.  But if you 
waited if you didn't jump on the OSX bandwagon fast enough 
you didn't get OS 9 bundled.  I wasn't about to buy two OS's, it 
irked me that Apple stopped bundling it, and since 10.2.x didn't 
support OS 8.6 as the Classic standard, I had to partition the hard 
drive and reboot if I wanted to change systems.


So my old G-3 is partitioned, with 8.6 on one, and 10.2.8 on the other.

What's really nifty is that my high tech sweetie set me up with a 
monitor switch, so both my G-3 and Macintel can actually be on at the 
same time, and with the click of one button, I'm here or there.  All 
my games are on the old computer now THAT is hard to shut down!


Even niftier is that they are networked, the G-3, the Macintel, and 
his Windoze.  So I can shoot my MC/Rev stacks from one to the other 
for testing or compiling.


NICE!

Shari



Jeff,

My condolences. Way back when I was beta testing my own software, I 
kept several Macs "frozen in time" with old OSs. Unfortunately, this 
kind of stopped with the advent of OSX; never believing in my worst 
of dreams that there would be significant differences between the 
various OSX releases. Was I ever dumb!


So, it seems that Rev needs to line up a series of reliable testers 
who maintain "frozen in time" machines. I would think that they 
would have done this in house in the first place; but, perhaps, they 
too were caught unawares, now needing to rethink this strategy. This 
programming thing just isn't very easy or simple these days, just 
when we thought it might be getting to be both. (uncomfortable smile)


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Re: A rather long anecdote about upgrading


On 6/5/07, Björnke von Gierke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



i hope you had fun reading this
Bjoernke




And every school and every home has had a similar fun experience. Which is
exactly why so many machine remain as time capsules, never to be updated but
to remain as a testimony of time when
'everything-finally-works'so-don't-touch-anything!
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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

2007-06-04 Thread Shari


Derek,

Maybe you can upgrade to 10.2.8 for free?  Have you tried Apple's 
download site for older OS's?


http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/index11.html

This is the oldest page of the update list, marked as Page 12 at the 
click list at the bottom of the page.  (Yes, I know the URL says 
11)  You can go thru the pages from there and upgrade accordingly.


Then, if you can get up to 10.2.8, for the moment anyway, Rev 2.7.4 I 
know will build for it.  You can do a build from 2.7.4 that will work 
on all OSX's, but will not be Macintel native.  It will however, work 
on a Macintel thru Rosetta.


You might not need to go as high as 10.2.8 or you might be able 
to do what you want with Rev 2.7.4 instead of 2.8.1..


Just some ideas for a quick solution.

Shari


You won't want to hear this, but the whole 10.0.x cycle was 
effectively a beta OS and not something you should even *consider* 
trying to do development work on. :-(


Fully legal copies of 10.2 and 10.3 are pretty cheap on eBay due to 
Apple's 'full copy, no upgrades' policy, 10.3 install disks go for 
$30-40. 10.2.8 is really the minimum you should be looking at.


Ian



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Re: Import RTF text

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Smith


set the rtfText of fld "someField" to  URL ("file:SomeFile.rtf")

Fortunately, rev supports rtf.

Best,

Mark

On 5 Jun 2007, at 02:58, -= JB =- wrote:


Is it possible to Import RTF text into a Revolution field
so the fonts, styles and alignment are viewed properly.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-

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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Kay C Lan wrote:

On 6/5/07, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-)


I'll take your 8.6 and raise you 7.6.1.

Not that that is much value in relation to this thread as Rev don't run 
that

far back.

Anyone need some HyperCard stacks tested ;-)


I have my original SE with two -- count 'em, two -- floppy drives for 
that. It's running system 6-something, and it still works. :)


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


On 6/5/07, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can go all the way back to OS 8.6 for testing :-)




I'll take your 8.6 and raise you 7.6.1.

Not that that is much value in relation to this thread as Rev don't run that
far back.

Anyone need some HyperCard stacks tested ;-)
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Import RTF text


Is it possible to Import RTF text into a Revolution field
so the fonts, styles and alignment are viewed properly.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-

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Re: Import RTF text


On 6/5/07, -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is it possible to Import RTF text into a Revolution field
so the fonts, styles and alignment are viewed properly.



I typed "RTF" into  Rev's  Documentation Stack search field and it came up
with "RTFText" which would seem to be what your after. But, there is a very
important note at the bottom which reads:

Because the RTF standard does not include the box, threeDbox, and link
styles supported by Revolution, the RTFText property does not necessarily
include all information necessary to reproduce the style information in a
chunk. To export and re-import field information without losing any style
information, use the htmlText property instead.

HTH
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Re: Import RTF text



On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:


To export and re-import field information without losing any style
information, use the htmlText property instead.

HTH


   so to export and re-import text do not choose RTF because it
   might not work properly.  Does that mean if you already have
   a text file in RTF importing might not work properly on it.

   It sounds like RTF is supported but can't be trusted because
   sometimes it might work and sometimes it might not.  So if
   you are dealing with text saved as RTF good luck.  Or did I
   miss something.

   -=>JB<=-

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RTF - Quartam PDF Library


Hi Jan,

If I have a text file saved that includes all of the RTF stuff in it
can I print it out properly with Quartam PDF providing it only
uses the Fonts you have listed.  I mean a file in a field that is
not viewed with the proper fonts & styles but you can see it
has been saved as RTF.

Does RTF also save alignment and if so will Quartam PDF
print the file out in full justification providing that is how it
was saved as RTF.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-

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Re: Revolution 2.8.1 on Mac OS X 10.0

Shari wrote:
> Maybe you can upgrade to 10.2.8 for free?  Have you tried Apple's
> download site for older OS's?
> 
> http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/index11.html

I looked at this page, but I'm still a bit confused about what you are
saying.  Does Apple offer actual 10.x upgrades at a lower cost on their
site?  As far as I know, the farthest I can upgrade to is 10.0.4, which
I have done, or am I wrong in thinking this?

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Re: Import RTF text


On 6/5/07, -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



so to export and re-import text do not choose RTF because it
might not work properly.  Does that mean if you already have
a text file in RTF importing might not work properly on it.



If you've created the RTF in Rev then export and then import should be
fine.

   It sounds like RTF is supported but can't be trusted because

sometimes it might work and sometimes it might not.  So if
you are dealing with text saved as RTF good luck.  Or did I
miss something.



It's in the Docs.


Setting the RTFText of a field (or a chunk of a field) sets both the text
contents and the font, size, style, and color attributes corresponding to
the information in the RTFString. Any other formatting controls in the
RTFstring are ignored.

The RTFText property interprets the following RTF formatting controls:
Colors:  \cf, \colortbl, \red, \green, \blue, \highlight
Styles:  \plain, \b, \i, \ul, \ulnon, \strike, \dn, \up
Font and character set:  \fcharset, \ansi, \mac, \pc, \pca, \u, \fonttbl,
\f, \fs
Others:  \header, \par, \line, \tab


If that cover's 99% of your situations, then great. If it only covers 50% I
guess you need another solution.
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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

2007-06-04 Thread Bob Warren

YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?

Bob Warren wrote:
With regard to the problem discussed below, I really don't know where 
to start in order to help with the diagnosis, except to note that the 
said Rev example stack seems to be behaving in a different manner on 
different Mac computers.

I am experiencing the problem on a Mac Mini. As a starting point, 
would somebody else with a Mac Mini be kind enough to try out this 
stack? Richard? I believe you have one, don't you?

Thanks,
Bob

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:10:22 -0300, Bob Warren wrote:

> > Bought myself a Mac Mini, Installed 2.8.1, navigated to the 
Browser > > Sampler.rev stack in 2.8.1-gm-1/Resources/Examples, 
activated stack, > > clicked on the "Launch Browser" button and got 
an error message > > "unknown browser id".   :'(  > > > > Does it 
work for anybody else?

> 

Ken Ray wrote:

>It works here for me, but I did have a similar problem the first 
time I   
used it. But I closed Rev, reopened it, reopened the Browser Sampler, 
and this time instead of clicking on "Launch Browser", I paged forward 
to the 5th page of the documentation stack entitled "A Simple 
Browser", and that worked for me. From then on the stack worked 
flawlessly, including the "Launch Browser" button. Don't know why..

Ken, I've just tried following your method and it works, but with 2 
differences:

1) There is no "cure". I always have to open the simple browser on p5 
before the button on p1 will work.

2) Before navigating to p5, I need to try (and fail) with the p1 button.

So to get the example to run ever, the sequence is p1 (with failure) > 
p5 (OK) > p1 (OK).

The other day I tried knocking up my own little stack from the example 
given in the Newsletter last month. That didn't work either, but I put 
it down to the entity sitting in front of the keyboard.

There is indeed stuff here! Must be my punishment for abandoning my 
beloved Ubuntu for 10 minutes!

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Re: Import RTF text


Thanks for taking the time to reply with this
valuable info.

-=>JB<=-

==
On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:


On 6/5/07, -= JB =- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



so to export and re-import text do not choose RTF because it
might not work properly.  Does that mean if you already have
a text file in RTF importing might not work properly on it.



If you've created the RTF in Rev then export and then import should be
fine.

   It sounds like RTF is supported but can't be trusted because

sometimes it might work and sometimes it might not.  So if
you are dealing with text saved as RTF good luck.  Or did I
miss something.



It's in the Docs.


Setting the RTFText of a field (or a chunk of a field) sets both the 
text
contents and the font, size, style, and color attributes corresponding 
to

the information in the RTFString. Any other formatting controls in the
RTFstring are ignored.

The RTFText property interprets the following RTF formatting controls:
Colors:  \cf, \colortbl, \red, \green, \blue, \highlight
Styles:  \plain, \b, \i, \ul, \ulnon, \strike, \dn, \up
Font and character set:  \fcharset, \ansi, \mac, \pc, \pca, \u, 
\fonttbl,

\f, \fs
Others:  \header, \par, \line, \tab


If that cover's 99% of your situations, then great. If it only covers 
50% I

guess you need another solution.
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Re: Import RTF text


Thank you Jacqueline.

-=>JB<=-


On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


-= JB =- wrote:


   so to export and re-import text do not choose RTF because it
   might not work properly.  Does that mean if you already have
   a text file in RTF importing might not work properly on it.
   It sounds like RTF is supported but can't be trusted because
   sometimes it might work and sometimes it might not.  So if
   you are dealing with text saved as RTF good luck.  Or did I
   miss something.


I've always found it very reliable, but it can only work with the 
attributes that Rev fields support. For example, if you don't have the 
right font installed, you'll get a substitution instead. Rev fields 
only support one alignment overall, there is no paragraph-level 
formatting. That means text can be right, left, or center aligned, but 
the alignment will be the same for the whole field. Text styling 
transfers over very well as long as it's one of the text styles that 
Rev fields support (see the text style menu for those; all the common 
ones are supported.) Tabs work fine.


If you grab the trial version of Revolution, it's pretty easy to do a 
test so you can see how it works. Make a stack with a field and a 
button. Double-click the field with the editing tool to get the 
field's inspector and turn off fixed line height (otherwise lines with 
large font sizes can get mangled.)


Then set the button's script to this:

on mouseUp
 answer file "Choose an RTF file:"
 if it is empty then exit mouseUp
 set the rtfText of fld 1 to url ("file:"&it)
end mouseUp

Apply the script and close the editor. Now click the button, choose a 
sample RTF file from disk, and see what you get in the field.


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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


On 6/5/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have my original SE with two -- count 'em, two -- floppy drives for
that. It's running system 6-something, and it still works. :)



Well inline with the other thread about schools/people not upgrading when
they can. It would appear your SE is a case in point. You could have maxed
that thing out to 7.5.5!

Now I've got those floppies somewhere - unfortunately we're renovating so I
can't find a thing;-)
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Re: Import RTF text


-= JB =- wrote:


   so to export and re-import text do not choose RTF because it
   might not work properly.  Does that mean if you already have
   a text file in RTF importing might not work properly on it.

   It sounds like RTF is supported but can't be trusted because
   sometimes it might work and sometimes it might not.  So if
   you are dealing with text saved as RTF good luck.  Or did I
   miss something.


I've always found it very reliable, but it can only work with the 
attributes that Rev fields support. For example, if you don't have the 
right font installed, you'll get a substitution instead. Rev fields only 
support one alignment overall, there is no paragraph-level formatting. 
That means text can be right, left, or center aligned, but the alignment 
will be the same for the whole field. Text styling transfers over very 
well as long as it's one of the text styles that Rev fields support (see 
the text style menu for those; all the common ones are supported.) Tabs 
work fine.


If you grab the trial version of Revolution, it's pretty easy to do a 
test so you can see how it works. Make a stack with a field and a 
button. Double-click the field with the editing tool to get the field's 
inspector and turn off fixed line height (otherwise lines with large 
font sizes can get mangled.)


Then set the button's script to this:

on mouseUp
 answer file "Choose an RTF file:"
 if it is empty then exit mouseUp
 set the rtfText of fld 1 to url ("file:"&it)
end mouseUp

Apply the script and close the editor. Now click the button, choose a 
sample RTF file from disk, and see what you get in the field.


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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1


On 6/5/07, Bob Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?

I n keeping with another thread, would that be a G4 Mac Mini or an Intel

Mac Mini. I'm thinking Intel, so I can't help.

Sorry.
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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

Bob, forgot to mention; my Mac Mini is a G4. Otherwise I'd probably  
still be using it.


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:


On 6/5/07, Bob Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?

I n keeping with another thread, would that be a G4 Mac Mini or an  
Intel

Mac Mini. I'm thinking Intel, so I can't help.

Sorry.
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Re: Mac UB standalones and OS versions


Kay C Lan wrote:

On 6/5/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have my original SE with two -- count 'em, two -- floppy drives for
that. It's running system 6-something, and it still works. :)



Well inline with the other thread about schools/people not upgrading when
they can. It would appear your SE is a case in point. You could have maxed
that thing out to 7.5.5!


True, true. Actually, I did that once, but there was no room left on the 
floppies for any apps so I went back to OS 6. Used to have a gigantic, 
super-capacity, 30-meg hard drive for it, but the thing croaked.


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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

2007-06-04 Thread Scott Rossi

> YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?

Present (Intel 10.4.9).

Browser stack works fine.  Opened to RunRev, visited Apple, Intel, and my
own site (interesting: Flash interaction requires two clicks [doubleclick]
as opposed to single click [normal behavior]).

What else should we look for?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

Bob, I have a Mac Mini, but it's running OSX4.9, so I'm not sure it  
will yield what you want it to yield. If so, where do I get the stack  
you want me to try. I'm not sure what Rev version I have on it.  
Perhaps 2.7.4. I have to hook it up.

Joe Wilkins

On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Bob Warren wrote:

YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?

Bob Warren wrote:
With regard to the problem discussed below, I really don't know  
where to start in order to help with the diagnosis, except to note  
that the said Rev example stack seems to be behaving in a  
different manner on different Mac computers.

I am experiencing the problem on a Mac Mini. As a starting point,  
would somebody else with a Mac Mini be kind enough to try out this  
stack? Richard? I believe you have one, don't you?

Thanks,
Bob

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:10:22 -0300, Bob Warren wrote:

> > Bought myself a Mac Mini, Installed 2.8.1, navigated to the  
Browser > > Sampler.rev stack in 2.8.1-gm-1/Resources/Examples,  
activated stack, > > clicked on the "Launch Browser" button and  
got an error message > > "unknown browser id".   :'(  > > > >  
Does it work for anybody else?

>

Ken Ray wrote:

>It works here for me, but I did have a similar problem the first  
time I
used it. But I closed Rev, reopened it, reopened the Browser  
Sampler, and this time instead of clicking on "Launch Browser", I  
paged forward to the 5th page of the documentation stack entitled  
"A Simple Browser", and that worked for me. From then on the stack  
worked flawlessly, including the "Launch Browser" button. Don't  
know why..

Ken, I've just tried following your method and it works, but with  
2 differences:

1) There is no "cure". I always have to open the simple browser on  
p5 before the button on p1 will work.
2) Before navigating to p5, I need to try (and fail) with the p1  
button.

So to get the example to run ever, the sequence is p1 (with  
failure) > p5 (OK) > p1 (OK).

The other day I tried knocking up my own little stack from the  
example given in the Newsletter last month. That didn't work  
either, but I put it down to the entity sitting in front of the  
keyboard.

There is indeed stuff here! Must be my punishment for abandoning  
my beloved Ubuntu for 10 minutes!

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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1