Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan > wrote: > > > OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to > > everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just > > befuddled; > > > > I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up > with > > lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and > > dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to > > the > > left - seems important when picking a name. > > > Hi Kay, > > Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain ( > kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've > registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka > GoDaddy.com). > Thanks Chipp for the reply, but now I'm confused. When on-rev says I can have Unlimited Subdomains and Unlimited Add On Domains I understood (probably wrongly) that the Add On refers to those registered elsewhere, that I can move to on-rev at no charge from on-rev. What then is the Unlimited Subdomain feature, how do I go about creating the multiple Subdomains, and particularly what would they look like: kay1.on-rev, kay2.on-rev, OR something.on-rev, completely.on-rev, different.on-rev?? Trying to get my head around what the pros and cons of Subdomains vs Add On Domains and how to maximise the usefullness of the Subdomains as it appears (again I may have this wrong) to be free whilst every Add On will requie the cost of registration. Clear as mud ;-| ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > While it has nothing to do with on-rev, for this purpose I recommend > dyndns.org. > Get a free account with them and then you can register your wife's > computer or your home network's public address so that it has a name > e.g. lan.dyndns.org. If you install the update client (available on > the dyndns.org web site), it will run in the background and update > their records every time you get a new IP address, so the name will > always get you to the right address. > > Brilliant! Thanks Sarah for the link, I'll definitely check it out. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:convert to scientific notation
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:53:05 -0700 From: Randall Lee Reetz Subject: convert to scientific notation To: How to use Revolution Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt ()" function. But to find the nth root For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. Any ideas? I feel brain dead. Randall Randall, Here is the function I have always used--see Turtle Graphics function sci tNum,sigFigures if tNum < 0 then put "-" into sign else put empty into sign put abs(tNum) into tNum if sigFigures is empty then put 3 into sigFigures--Default significant figures. put 0 into count if tNum >= 1 then repeat until tNum < 10 divide tNum by 10 add 1 to count end repeat put round((10^(sigFigures-1))*tNum)/10^(sigFigures-1) into tNum return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) &"*10^" & count end if if tNum < 1 then repeat until tNum >= 1 multiply tNum by 10 add 1 to count end repeat end if return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) & "*10^-" & count end sci For example: put sci(23346.445443,4) gives 2.335*10^4 Brute force, but functional. Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Oh, my bad. I guess those platform war threads were a very long time ago. Sorry to have upset you. Actually, I didn't quote the rest of your message as I thought Andre did a rather nice job of addressing the issue regarding old hardware doesn't necessarily require old software. And thanks to Richmond for switching to Gmail --which is also what I use-- works great on both Mac and PC. You might consider giving it a try. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Chipp, > > I didn't start a platform war and you know very well that I'm far from new > on this list. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Hi Chipp, I didn't start a platform war and you know very well that I'm far from new on this list. Do you think that I'm still a newby, 5 years after my first message to this list, a year of lurking, and more than a decade as a member of the xTalk community that you are a member of too? Btw, would you mind quoting all the relevant parts of the previous message? The essence of the message wasn't that Mail does something that you seem to be missing in other programmes, but that I very well understand that Richmond uses older software, even though he has just announced to start using Gmail's web interface. I think that's very kind of Richmond. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html On 21 apr 2009, at 07:01, Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Mark, Please don't start with the platform wars here. I suppose you're somewhat new to this list, but the platform wars were addressed years ago, with the conclusion to each his own. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev
Colin Holgate wrote: What does SSH give you that you don't get with the secure disk image access? Hi Colin, I assume when you say "secure disk image access" you're talking about WebDAV, which is what on-rev offers. In a nutshell: - SSH gives you the ability to execute any line command known to the server. You have a user account on the server and can log into it and do whatever you know how to do via the command line, including the setting of server properties, the running of scripts, etc. - WebDAV lets you mount a server-side folder on your computer as though it were an external HD, and you can use it like one (except upload/download speeds are are subject to your internet connection speed, unlike an external HD!). So WebDAV's functionality is limited to file services, but you have a GUI for it. I wish on-rev had SSH. However, its absence is partially compensated for by the power of Rev code in irev pages, if indeed the server version of Rev will give us abilities like those of the desktop versions to sense and control similar kinds of things. -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to > everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just > befuddled; > > I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with > lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and > dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to > the > left - seems important when picking a name. Hi Kay, Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain ( kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka GoDaddy.com). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Hi Mark, Please don't start with the platform wars here. I suppose you're somewhat new to this list, but the platform wars were addressed years ago, with the conclusion to each his own. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Chipp, > > Get a Mac and use Apple Mail. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev
Hi Colin In this case, I'm not sure what you mean by "secure disk image access" but SSH is useful for debugging traditional scripting languages (bash, php, ruby etc). You could compile & debug on your own install of Linux and then upload to on-rev but as anyone who has used Linux knows, not all Linux installs are equal. Library dependencies are the main issue. regards alex Colin Holgate wrote: What does SSH give you that you don't get with the secure disk image access? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev
What does SSH give you that you don't get with the secure disk image access? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
> A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and > sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed > IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here > exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would > start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address > to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to > discover what my wife's current full IP address is. While it has nothing to do with on-rev, for this purpose I recommend dyndns.org. Get a free account with them and then you can register your wife's computer or your home network's public address so that it has a name e.g. lan.dyndns.org. If you install the update client (available on the dyndns.org web site), it will run in the background and update their records every time you get a new IP address, so the name will always get you to the right address. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just befuddled; I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. >From these domains and sub domains I can create unlimited email addresses like k...@lan.on-rev.com and d...@lan.on-rev.com as well as i...@kc.lan.on-rev.com (note the use of the sub domain in this case)? Then we come to Add On Domains. I understand that I can register 'allthe goodnamesaretaken.com' with someone like GoDaddy or Dotster and during registration indicate that I want to use ns1.on-rev and ns2.on-rev as the actual name servers. I see RunRev used GoDaddy to register on-rev. Can I then create Sub domains of these Add On Domains? Like ' almost.allthegoodnamesaretaken.com'? If so, do I need to register these as well through GoDaddy or will this simply be something I can do with 'Addon Domain Manager' or 'Subdomain Manager' at on-rev? What is the situation with email for these Add On Domains? I see GoDaddy provides free email with the Domains you register, but can I move it AND control it all from on-rev, ie everything in the one place? Or would it be better to leave these with GoDaddy; use GoDaddy's MBs rather than on-rev's MBs? Will I be able to create multiple email addresses for each Add On Domain and any sub domains I create or is this only a feature of the on-rev.comdomains? Are the unlimited Mailing Lists for the on-rev domain only or will I be able to create a mailing list for Add On Domains? I understand that Add On domain name annual renewal will still need to be handled with GoDaddy, not on-rev? - Scratch that, I see George C Brackett posted that on-rev may eventually take up that baton. A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to discover what my wife's current full IP address is. Do you think it is possible to have lan.on-rev act as a mini name sever? Any request to a particular lan.on-rev page be redirected to the Public or Sites folder of my wife's dynamic IP addressed computer? Could this be something like a 'HTTP 302 redirect' ? or is this Domain Forwarding & Masking? I notice GoDaddy offers Forwarding and Masking but on-rev doesn't mention it. Basically I see I have 4 wants. A Rev centric address - would be myname.on-rev.com A family orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A hobby orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A Private address - somehow use one of the above to discover and point/redirect to a computer connected at home to a dynamic IP Address. So as you can tell, it's as clear as mud to me at the moment, any insights again appreciated ;-) Getting closer but basically I think my minds made up. I just want to look less foolish when I take the plunge ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
Not if you log transform your age first. On 21/04/09 11:51 AM, "Randall Reetz" wrote: > World changing. Too bad i am too old for a "Fields" prize nomination. > > -Original Message- > From: "Terry Judd" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Wouldn't that be 1/* ;) > > > On 21/04/09 11:18 AM, "Randall Reetz" wrote: > >> I found this symbol... "/" Very cool! Inverse of multiply! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Randall Reetz" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 4/20/2009 6:08 PM >> Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation >> >> I need to sleep or go back to grade 3. Sorry everyone. Dont report me to >> the >> math authorities! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Randall Reetz" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 4/20/2009 5:46 PM >> Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation >> >> You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i >> had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without >> counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Brian Yennie" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM >> Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation >> >> Randall, >> >> You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false >> assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive >> 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific >> notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I >> why I figure you are confused. >> >> Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 >> >> No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. >> >>> Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Brian Yennie" >>> To: "How to use Revolution" >>> Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation >>> >>> Randall, >>> >>> I think you are confusing two different concepts. >>> >>> 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. >>> >>> What you want is something like this: >>> >>> Step 1) 10^x = 100 >>> Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 >>> Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 >>> Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 >>> > > > [truncated by sender] > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
World changing. Too bad i am too old for a "Fields" prize nomination. -Original Message- From: "Terry Judd" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Wouldn't that be 1/* ;) On 21/04/09 11:18 AM, "Randall Reetz" wrote: > I found this symbol... "/" Very cool! Inverse of multiply! > > -Original Message- > From: "Randall Reetz" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 6:08 PM > Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation > > I need to sleep or go back to grade 3. Sorry everyone. Dont report me to the > math authorities! > > -Original Message- > From: "Randall Reetz" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:46 PM > Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation > > You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i > had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without > counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. > > -Original Message- > From: "Brian Yennie" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Randall, > > You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false > assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive > 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific > notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I > why I figure you are confused. > > Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 > > No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. > >> Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Brian Yennie" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM >> Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation >> >> Randall, >> >> I think you are confusing two different concepts. >> >> 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. >> >> What you want is something like this: >> >> Step 1) 10^x = 100 >> Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 >> Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 >> Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 >> [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev
I don't think so - my attempts get this response: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Best, Mark Smith On 21 Apr 2009, at 02:00, Alex Shaw wrote: Thanks for that info George. I can understand not giving root access via SSH on a shared hosting environment but do you actually get any SSH access with on-rev? Can't find a reference on the website. regards alex George C Brackett wrote: I had a couple of questions that Heather answered, and others may be interested: 1.On-Rev will ultimately include domain registration services, as many other hosts do. 2.On-Rev will NOT offer root access (or near root access using sudo) to an account via SSH. I'm glad to hear the first answer, but not the second. Still thinking... George ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
Wouldn't that be 1/* ;) On 21/04/09 11:18 AM, "Randall Reetz" wrote: > I found this symbol... "/" Very cool! Inverse of multiply! > > -Original Message- > From: "Randall Reetz" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 6:08 PM > Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation > > I need to sleep or go back to grade 3. Sorry everyone. Dont report me to the > math authorities! > > -Original Message- > From: "Randall Reetz" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:46 PM > Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation > > You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i > had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without > counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. > > -Original Message- > From: "Brian Yennie" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Randall, > > You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false > assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive > 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific > notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I > why I figure you are confused. > > Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 > > No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. > >> Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Brian Yennie" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM >> Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation >> >> Randall, >> >> I think you are confusing two different concepts. >> >> 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. >> >> What you want is something like this: >> >> Step 1) 10^x = 100 >> Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 >> Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 >> Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 >> >> In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x >> = log y / log z. >> >> If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you >> suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that >> number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. >> >> >>> I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root >>> of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the >>> "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root >>> >>> For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific > > > [truncated by sender] > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
I found this symbol... "/" Very cool! Inverse of multiply! -Original Message- From: "Randall Reetz" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 6:08 PM Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation I need to sleep or go back to grade 3. Sorry everyone. Dont report me to the math authorities! -Original Message- From: "Randall Reetz" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:46 PM Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I why I figure you are confused. Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. > Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? > > -Original Message- > From: "Brian Yennie" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Randall, > > I think you are confusing two different concepts. > > 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. > > What you want is something like this: > > Step 1) 10^x = 100 > Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 > Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 > Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 > > In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x > = log y / log z. > > If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you > suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that > number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. > > >> I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root >> of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the >> "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root >> >> For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
I need to sleep or go back to grade 3. Sorry everyone. Dont report me to the math authorities! -Original Message- From: "Randall Reetz" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:46 PM Subject: RE: convert to scientific notation You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I why I figure you are confused. Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. > Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? > > -Original Message- > From: "Brian Yennie" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Randall, > > I think you are confusing two different concepts. > > 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. > > What you want is something like this: > > Step 1) 10^x = 100 > Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 > Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 > Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 > > In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x > = log y / log z. > > If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you > suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that > number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. > > >> I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root >> of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the >> "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root >> >> For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific >> notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use >> the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? >> >> I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which >> should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. >> >> Any ideas? I feel brain dead. >> >> Randall [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Deciding about On-Rev
Thanks for that info George. I can understand not giving root access via SSH on a shared hosting environment but do you actually get any SSH access with on-rev? Can't find a reference on the website. regards alex George C Brackett wrote: I had a couple of questions that Heather answered, and others may be interested: 1.On-Rev will ultimately include domain registration services, as many other hosts do. 2.On-Rev will NOT offer root access (or near root access using sudo) to an account via SSH. I'm glad to hear the first answer, but not the second. Still thinking... George ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
Randall, I don't know about a power function, but reducing numbers to powers of ten is basically what a logarithm is for (assuming it's a base 10 logarithm of course). log 10 = 1 log 100 = 2 log 1000 = 3 etc. For an "uneven" number, you could just round down the result for your purposes: log 2,098,000 = 6.32 => 6 Since logarithms and exponents are basically interchangeable, you could probably rework any logarithmic formula into exponents, but may end up with a more complicated formula. HTH You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I why I figure you are confused. Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, I think you are confusing two different concepts. 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. What you want is something like this: Step 1) 10^x = 100 Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x = log y / log z. If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. Any ideas? I feel brain dead. Randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Brian Yennie QLD Learning (310)-367-7364 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
You are correct brian. Sorry. But i know when i was younger and smarter i had an equasion that converted a number to scientific notation without counting digits. Used the power "^" function somehow. -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I why I figure you are confused. Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. > Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? > > -Original Message- > From: "Brian Yennie" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation > > Randall, > > I think you are confusing two different concepts. > > 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. > > What you want is something like this: > > Step 1) 10^x = 100 > Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 > Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 > Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 > > In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x > = log y / log z. > > If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you > suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that > number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. > > >> I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root >> of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the >> "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root >> >> For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific >> notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use >> the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? >> >> I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which >> should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. >> >> Any ideas? I feel brain dead. >> >> Randall > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > ___ [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
Thanks terry... Too much coffee today... -Original Message- From: "Terry Judd" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:19 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation As in 27^(1/3) = 3? Terry... On 21/04/09 9:53 AM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root > of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt > ()" function. But to find the nth root > > For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific > notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use > the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? > > I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which > should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. > > Any ideas? I feel brain dead. > > Randall > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
Randall, You want the nth root and you are doing it correctly, but have a false assumption (the 10th root of 100 is NOT 2). I showed how to derive 10^x = 100, which is more relevant to scientific notation. Scientific notation does not involve taking the 10th root of a number, which I why I figure you are confused. Example: 2,098,000 = 2.098 x 10 ^ 6 No 10th roots involved, in fact you can just count digits. Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, I think you are confusing two different concepts. 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. What you want is something like this: Step 1) 10^x = 100 Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x = log y / log z. If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. Any ideas? I feel brain dead. Randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Brian Yennie QLD Learning (310)-367-7364 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Deciding about On-Rev
I had a couple of questions that Heather answered, and others may be interested: 1. On-Rev will ultimately include domain registration services, as many other hosts do. 2. On-Rev will NOT offer root access (or near root access using sudo) to an account via SSH. I'm glad to hear the first answer, but not the second. Still thinking... George ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: convert to scientific notation
Not confused by what i mean. How do i get the nth root of a number? -Original Message- From: "Brian Yennie" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 4/20/2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: convert to scientific notation Randall, I think you are confusing two different concepts. 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. What you want is something like this: Step 1) 10^x = 100 Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x = log y / log z. If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. > I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root > of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the > "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root > > For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific > notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use > the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? > > I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which > should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. > > Any ideas? I feel brain dead. > > Randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
As in 27^(1/3) = 3? Terry... On 21/04/09 9:53 AM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root > of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt > ()" function. But to find the nth root > > For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific > notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use > the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? > > I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which > should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. > > Any ideas? I feel brain dead. > > Randall > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: convert to scientific notation
Randall, I think you are confusing two different concepts. 10^2 = 100, not 2^10 = 100. What you want is something like this: Step 1) 10^x = 100 Step 2) log 10^x = log 100 Step 3) x log 10 = log 100 Step 4) x = log 100 / log 10 In short, you need to use logarithms and you'll get a formula where x = log y / log z. If you were trying to solve x^10 = 100, then you could do what you suggest and just raise both side to the (1/10)th power. But that number will not be 2 -- it's about 1.58. I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt()" function. But to find the nth root For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. Any ideas? I feel brain dead. Randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
convert to scientific notation
I can't remember how to use power function "^" to find the nth root of a number. To find the 2ndth root of a number we can use the "sqrt ()" function. But to find the nth root For instance, lets say I want to convert a number to scientific notation (the 10th root of that number)... I used to know how to use the power function to do this. Anyone remember how to do it? I tried to get the 10th root (scientific notation) of 100 (which should = 2) by: 100^(1/10) ... but that isn't it. Any ideas? I feel brain dead. Randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
It sounds like something I need to learn. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Jim Ault wrote: My wife has the same filter, only a bit more effective. She doesn't use "in one ear and out the other" as it never gets in the first ear. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:47 PM, -= JB =- wrote: I had to access the spam box on my isp not my computer so it takes a little more work and I have never needed to that I knew about. But after looking I noticed Jim Ault posted a few messages that were also marked spam. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, -= JB =- wrote: Thanks Colin! it was in the spam folder. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that it went straight to my junk mailbox too, but I tend to take a look at what went in there, just in case it shouldn't have done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email with attachment
I would like an example even though I am not up to that point yet. thanks, -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM, BNig wrote: In /library/scripts/mail scripts/ there is a nice example 'Create New Message' with the option for an attachment. It should get you started (did not test it though) I have some Rev scripts that use AppleScript & Mail to create an email with attachments. If anyone wants an example, just let me know. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
My wife has the same filter, only a bit more effective. She doesn't use "in one ear and out the other" as it never gets in the first ear. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:47 PM, -= JB =- wrote: I had to access the spam box on my isp not my computer so it takes a little more work and I have never needed to that I knew about. But after looking I noticed Jim Ault posted a few messages that were also marked spam. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, -= JB =- wrote: Thanks Colin! it was in the spam folder. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that it went straight to my junk mailbox too, but I tend to take a look at what went in there, just in case it shouldn't have done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email with attachment
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM, BNig wrote: > > In /library/scripts/mail scripts/ there is a nice example 'Create New > Message' with the option for an attachment. > It should get you started (did not test it though) > I have some Rev scripts that use AppleScript & Mail to create an email with attachments. If anyone wants an example, just let me know. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Linux Standalone Has "Square Hand" Cursor
Hello: I've built a standalone for Windows, Mac, and Linux. Everything works fine, except one thing: When I open the standalone in Linux (Ubuntu), the cursor is a square-looking hand, rather than an arrow. This hand doesn't have a prominent "index finger" with which to point accurately. It approaches the appearance of a grab hand. Many of my scripts call for the cursor to set to none at the beginning, and then back to arrow at the end. In these cases, I see the arrow flash briefly at the end of the script. But when the script stops executing, the cursor changes to a "square hand" again. I don't have "set cursor to hand" anywhere in my scripts. In both Mac and Windows, the arrow works as expected throughout. Any ideas? Thanks. Ted ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
I had to access the spam box on my isp not my computer so it takes a little more work and I have never needed to that I knew about. But after looking I noticed Jim Ault posted a few messages that were also marked spam. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, -= JB =- wrote: Thanks Colin! it was in the spam folder. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that it went straight to my junk mailbox too, but I tend to take a look at what went in there, just in case it shouldn't have done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Rev Mentor Top Ten analysis of this email list
You wild, young Bohemians, you! The Top Ten analysis of this week's posts to this list has been posted to the Rev Mentor blog: http://www.revmentor.com/revolution-top-ten-video-charts-and-analyzer-1 It includes a short, but quick video commentary, five charts that will thrill mortuary science students everywhere by showing statistics for the week's emails posted, and a downloadable email browser stack that I used to perform this otherwise questionable analysis. NOTE: this stack is not an email client or part of plot/conspiracy. And it's all free, kids! Doin' it... Jerry Daniels Host of Rev Mentor http://www.revmentor.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: from the outside looking in
Brian Yennie wrote:
> Had a thought. Dangerous, I know. To me the power of On-Rev is two things:
>
> 1) Opening up server side scripting to Rev users that wouldn't otherwise
> go there
>
> and
>
> 2) Bring xTalk to server-side developers in general
>
> These are both worthy tasks, but I think it's worth differentiating
> between the two. Depending on which perspective you are coming from, any
> example is going to be taken differently. To put it simply, a PHP
> developer won't be impressed by something they could do with roughly the
> same effort in PHP. However, a Rev developer might be thrilled because
> now they don't have to learn PHP!
>
> What I'm really interested in is #2, because I'm experienced with PHP /
> Perl / Java / etc on the server side. So why would I consider onRev?
>
> 1) Integrated debugger
>
> and
>
> 2) xTalk syntax
>
> What I think would really shine light on onRev is an example that shows
> off file handling / URL syntax and chunk expressions. In other words, it
> needs to show off the strength of the language, not just the fact that
> it runs server-side. So what kind of web app would lend itself to URL
> syntax and chunk expressions, making it way more efficient in xTalk than
> any other language?
>
> OK, that was my thought. I didn't say I had the answer.
>
> - Brian
Brian,
I write PHP a lot, I'm obliged to wrestle with javascript, I've done a
little Perl, have recently decided to learn Python, plus I am moderately
familiar with hosting customer websites of many kinds. And I've asked
myself the same sort of questions you are asking about onrev. As you
suggest, the appeal, if any, will probably depend on personal
circumstances, as in the general case the appeal appears weak, if this
is considered only as a server-side scripting technology a la php etc.
As a hosting package, the founder on-rev package isn't especially
exciting to someone already established as a web-hosting reseller (e.g.
me). But at the same time it is quite a deep pond for a raw beginner. It
isn't very suitable IMO for hosting customer sites, it's more of a
specialised personal hosting account. What it is presumably intended for
is as a platform for web applications. As far as I'm concerned, its
appeal is its potential as a back-end service to other sites hosted
elsewhere. Anyway, this initial package need not be part of the wider
argument.
xtalk text chunk handling is what I miss most in php, javascript etc,
but apart from that, I agree with what you suggest: language features
alone provide no strong argument for using rev over other options. Plus
PHP, for example, is essentially free and massively supported while Rev
costs money and is proprietary. For a complete newcomer to rev, adopting
it as a server-side scripting language in the face of other options is
not very compelling at this point.
I'm not a newcomer to it though so have a different outlook. I already
have a sprawling mess of an application written with RR that generates
entire websites, plus a mess of 10-minute-quickie-utilities lying around
waiting to be re-used.
Personally I can see benefit in being able to integrate that setup with
server-based services written, or partly-written, in the same scripting
language - I can re-use existing concepts, data structures and code
fragments to provide satellite services that dovetail with the way I
work back at home. As an adjunct to existing desktop applications made
with sibling technology, it has merit.
The immediate challenge to me is to integrate it with my existing
working procedures*. I dutifully downloaded the onrev application, ran
it a couple of times, scratched my head wondering what it was meant to
be for, and quickly went fumbling back to the comfort zone of my trusty
text editor, where I already spend much of the time. Perhaps its value
will become clear when my experiments get a bit more complicated.
Since I can't install onrev as an apache module in my dev server at
home, onrev is sort of out in the cold as far as my daily work is
concerned - code, save, point browser at localhost, test. Can't yet do
that with onrev though. I prefer to code in my private sandbox. Existing
systems let me do that. I see this as a barrier to wide acceptance.
On the philosophical level, I may be to marketing what Kryptonite is to
Superman but I suppose that runrev see on-rev as a component that
enhances the existing product - revolution is very desktop-oriented, cgi
aside, and cgi isn't everyone's cup of tea or always appropriate. On-rev
is like Revolution growing tentacles into serverspace. I doubt that
on-rev will be proposed as a standalone technology, marketable on its
own. Look at it another way, how many people use PHP to make desktop
applications?
I would think this founder launch of on-rev is partly to tune and debug
and get feedback and perhaps partly in hope that some cool examples will
emerge.
Put Merge("My 2 [[local_currency()]]s")
Martin Baxter
*I initially wrote 'workflow' bu
Re: once in a lifetime
On Apr 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, -= JB =- wrote: Thanks Colin! it was in the spam folder. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that it went straight to my junk mailbox too, but I tend to take a look at what went in there, just in case it shouldn't have done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
Thanks Colin! it was in the spam folder. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: The email was titled "Welcome to On-Rev". You might look in your spam/junk mailboxes, just in case it's there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
old equipment does not mean old software... you can run Linux or Solaris or Any BSD in old software and it will run the latest firefox which will give you GMail which is the best thing for mailing list on the cheap. I have lots of old machines here, my motto is "buy, keep it working, never sell", so I got everything, from old newton message pads to the latest core 2 duo here. Everything has a TCP/IP implementation with some kind of browser so, as long as there's a web app available, no matter OS or CPU, I'll be able to use the machine. Unless richmond is using some really awkward setup, he could be using better software. Heck, Damn Small Linux or xPud will run anywhere and give you a modern OS, lightweight and working. andre On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Chipp, > > Get a Mac and use Apple Mail. Apple Mail has no problem with Richmond's > e-mails. Also, i think that it is perfectly alright if Richmond chooses to > use older e-mail clients. Of modern e-mail clients can't cope with that, > then those modern clients should be adjusted. > > I do notice the problem sometimes, when I use gmane's newsgroup > functionality, but I guess we'll just have to accept that. At least, > Richmond makes sure that the right subject is in the subject header. > > I admire Richmond's inventiveness in finding ways to recycle equipment and > keeping it running for as long as possible. If I understand it correctly, it > is not that easy to find reliable suppliers of new equipment at a reasonable > price, where he lives. So, if you are really annoyed, consider donating him > a new MacBook Pro ;-) > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum > > Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. > http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html > > On 20 apr 2009, at 21:18, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> >> Yes, Richmond's self-imposed exhile against the use of modern e-mail >> clients >> does create havok for this list. I use Gmail, and everytime Richmond >> answers >> a message it starts a new thread. Very difficult to follow. >> > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Mark, Nabble includes the correct message ID. That's all. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html On 20 apr 2009, at 23:25, Mark Stuart wrote: Written by Bob Sneidar on Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 11:51 AM CDT Response to Issue 1: Using Outlook 2003 on WinXP. If I copy the Subject and reply to the forum, I don't think it will add a reply to the original thread, by indenting it. So in response, I think I would be a culprit to those looking for correct threading. Now if I use Nabble to reply to a message, no problem. It indents and keeps the thread id. So what do they know about replying to the forum that we/I don't? But it becomes a nuisance to use 2 different applications, one to read the list and another to reply to the list. Just to keep threading. I know this is an issue in the past and keeps coming up. So if anybody has a solution for Outlook users, I have ears to listen. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
Thanks for the info. That is what I will do. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: More info for you: I got the welcome message even before the receipt and the credit card emails (well, all three arrived within the same minute). The email was titled "Welcome to On-Rev". You might look in your spam/ junk mailboxes, just in case it's there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
More info for you: I got the welcome message even before the receipt and the credit card emails (well, all three arrived within the same minute). The email was titled "Welcome to On-Rev". You might look in your spam/junk mailboxes, just in case it's there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 things
And there proves my point. :-( -- Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
I have received receipts showing the payment was approved but nothing with information about my account and how to activate it. -=>JB<=- On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 20, 2009, at 5:17 PM, -= JB =- wrote: How long does it usually take after signing up to be a Founder for On-Rev for them to send a response? I signed up on the 18th but haven't heard anything yet. Do you remember any credit card stages to signing up? I went through those, and got back the usual instant emails to say that I was onboard. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 things
Written by Bob Sneidar on Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 11:51 AM CDT Response to Issue 1: Using Outlook 2003 on WinXP. If I copy the Subject and reply to the forum, I don't think it will add a reply to the original thread, by indenting it. So in response, I think I would be a culprit to those looking for correct threading. Now if I use Nabble to reply to a message, no problem. It indents and keeps the thread id. So what do they know about replying to the forum that we/I don't? But it becomes a nuisance to use 2 different applications, one to read the list and another to reply to the list. Just to keep threading. I know this is an issue in the past and keeps coming up. So if anybody has a solution for Outlook users, I have ears to listen. Regards, Mark Stuart Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: once in a lifetime
On Apr 20, 2009, at 5:17 PM, -= JB =- wrote: How long does it usually take after signing up to be a Founder for On-Rev for them to send a response? I signed up on the 18th but haven't heard anything yet. Do you remember any credit card stages to signing up? I went through those, and got back the usual instant emails to say that I was onboard. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
once in a lifetime
How long does it usually take after signing up to be a Founder for On- Rev for them to send a response? I signed up on the 18th but haven't heard anything yet. Is this a normal delay due to the weekend? This seems to be a once in a lifetime chance with benefits. -=>JB<=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Text Formatting Workarounds?
Hey List Folks: I poked through the mail archives a bit and found a few responses but I'm still curious: what do folks do to make text display similarly across platforms? In the past, I always thought it was a simple matter to set the font specs of the card or stack and have fields inherit the settings, but it seems in all my 3/3.5 stacks this doesn't work any more. Rev seems to apply formatting based on the platform on which the stack was saved, and then promptly loses the specs when the stack is opened on another platform (the font/size properties read correctly, but the text doesn't display correctly, often shrinking down to some weird size/font). Setting font specs of a field by script doesn't seem to do anything and in some cases compounds the problem since, for example, attempting to change the font or size of text will only change the textheight of field, positioning the text improperly in the field. Because of the above, I wound up having to format the actual text inside the fields, as opposed to formatting the fields themselves. And the formatting doesn't stick unless there's text in the field so what does one do here? I wound up putting space characters in empty fields to hold the formatting, which is a pretty lousy solution. This is ridiculous: it shouldn't be this difficult to format text from platform to platform. What's the secret? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Breaking Oaths
Ok, Ok, I get it . . . Waiting for Heather's approval: will be posting from richmondmathew...@gmail.com via Mozilla ThunderBird from now on - - - Mainly as flipping Yahoo doesn't seem to work except with Microsoft products; mumble, mumble, mumble. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
On-Rev: from the outside looking in
Had a thought. Dangerous, I know. To me the power of On-Rev is two things: 1) Opening up server side scripting to Rev users that wouldn't otherwise go there and 2) Bring xTalk to server-side developers in general These are both worthy tasks, but I think it's worth differentiating between the two. Depending on which perspective you are coming from, any example is going to be taken differently. To put it simply, a PHP developer won't be impressed by something they could do with roughly the same effort in PHP. However, a Rev developer might be thrilled because now they don't have to learn PHP! What I'm really interested in is #2, because I'm experienced with PHP / Perl / Java / etc on the server side. So why would I consider onRev? 1) Integrated debugger and 2) xTalk syntax What I think would really shine light on onRev is an example that shows off file handling / URL syntax and chunk expressions. In other words, it needs to show off the strength of the language, not just the fact that it runs server-side. So what kind of web app would lend itself to URL syntax and chunk expressions, making it way more efficient in xTalk than any other language? OK, that was my thought. I didn't say I had the answer. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Hi Chipp, Get a Mac and use Apple Mail. Apple Mail has no problem with Richmond's e-mails. Also, i think that it is perfectly alright if Richmond chooses to use older e-mail clients. Of modern e-mail clients can't cope with that, then those modern clients should be adjusted. I do notice the problem sometimes, when I use gmane's newsgroup functionality, but I guess we'll just have to accept that. At least, Richmond makes sure that the right subject is in the subject header. I admire Richmond's inventiveness in finding ways to recycle equipment and keeping it running for as long as possible. If I understand it correctly, it is not that easy to find reliable suppliers of new equipment at a reasonable price, where he lives. So, if you are really annoyed, consider donating him a new MacBook Pro ;-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html On 20 apr 2009, at 21:18, Chipp Walters wrote: Yes, Richmond's self-imposed exhile against the use of modern e-mail clients does create havok for this list. I use Gmail, and everytime Richmond answers a message it starts a new thread. Very difficult to follow. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> > Richmond, do you realize that all the messages that you reply with exactly > the same subject (as was the case here), starts a new thread? Yes, Richmond's self-imposed exhile against the use of modern e-mail clients does create havok for this list. I use Gmail, and everytime Richmond answers a message it starts a new thread. Very difficult to follow. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Hi Malte, The message headers included with each message in the digest look as follows: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:55:52 +0100 From: Mark Smith Subject: Re: on-rev example: dynamic table (was: 'globals.cgi' conversion) To: How to use Revolution Message-ID: <71b8ebd1-de88-482d-a139-8a6728178...@futilism.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just copy the text following "Subject: " and remove any line wraps. Re: on-rev example: dynamic table (was: 'globals.cgi' conversion) and paste it in the subject of you e-mail. This should be sufficient for most e-mail programmes to keep the thread. Some programmes use the message id to determine the thread and those programmes will be unable to put your message in the right thread. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html On 20 apr 2009, at 19:59, Malte Brill wrote: As soon as one is on digest mode (as am I) I think it will break. Anyone knows a way around that? Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: Also a Founder
Quite to the contrary, aren't all founders Neophytes by definition? Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Apr 16, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Marian Petrides, MD wrote: And now, the big question for the day: Is "Neophyte Founder" a true oxymoron? :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 things
"do you realize that all the messages that you reply with exactly the same subject (as was the case here), starts a new thread?" With Yahoo Groups one can remain within threads via the web interface; but reading the RunRev Use-List via web browser and then replying via browser-based e-mail does not seem to allow one to attach one's replies to existing threads. Of course, this could be me just being plain old pig ignorant. If so, be so kind as to forgive me and kindly sow me how to do things properly :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Malte Brill wrote: As soon as one is on digest mode (as am I) I think it will break. Anyone knows a way around that? Does the digest message not include a Reply link for each topic? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
On 20 Apr 2009, at 18:54, Colin Holgate wrote: Richmond, do you realize that all the messages that you reply with exactly the same subject (as was the case here), starts a new thread? Plus the lack of 're:' at the start of your subject lines makes things hard to keep track of at times... Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: Re: 2 things
Colin wrote: > By just replying, and not touching the subject, it should remain within the same thread. As soon as one is on digest mode (as am I) I think it will break. Anyone knows a way around that? Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac Virus - Reliable source
This should be enough, for now :) http://www.freemacware.com/clamxav/ I think just about anyone on this list could, if they were really that nasty, write something that could do quite a lot of damage to a Mac (or Win or Lin, for that matter - RR is cross-platform); however it would, at least, require the computer user to start it up. I, personally, think it is much more fun to write EFL content-delivery software to "infect" young minds with the sheer joy of discovering new things and new ways of looking at the world: oddly enough, most of the children who are so "infected" keep coming back instead of having to invest in expensive 'anti-virus' treatment. I cannot even begin to understand what is so interesting about spoiling other people's hard work. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-April/thread.html To illustrate more what I mean, look at the bottom of that page now. You should see the original thread, then the one that you started, and indented are my two replies to your thread. If Bob just marked his thread as one to watch, he wouldn't be seeing the messages in your thread at all. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Graham Samuel wrote: Just to thank you, Jacque, belatedly - I also have never had to produce a web site in anger (I don't count uploads of family photos and the like) and felt just like Joe. Chipp was very tactful in suggesting that "some" people confused server-side and client-side scripting. "Some" people was me. So listen to him when in doubt, he knows more. ;) Hopefully the generic part of the explanation still applies though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I heartily agree with: "I would like to respectfully request that you do not change the Subject when responding to emails from this list. It creates a new thread in my email and I end up with LOTS of different threads on the same issue." Richmond, do you realize that all the messages that you reply with exactly the same subject (as was the case here), starts a new thread? Just taking April as an example: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2009-April/thread.html it appears that you started 22 threads, even though most of the messages were meant as replies to an existing thread. By just replying, and not touching the subject, it should remain within the same thread. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 things
I heartily agree with: "I would like to respectfully request that you do not change the Subject when responding to emails from this list. It creates a new thread in my email and I end up with LOTS of different threads on the same issue." However, I never have this sort of problem: "has something changed in the way the list sends out emails? Spamsoap is now catching and holding all the emails coming from the list, because the sender is not showing as the list, but rather as the person who posted the message." as I always check the Use-List via its URL: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ which, while being "kinda retro" makes things very simple. I never use an e-mail client as they caused me a lot of grief a few years ago. I have taken 2 vows of abstinence: No e-mail clients No Mobile phones and my life is really rather nice :) I keep a permanent list of bookmarks on a hidden page on my website, so can access them wherever I am, and whatever computer I use. Tend to use a (now, sadly, unobtainable) live Linux distro called "Wanderer" when away from home so that ye merry Windows PCs in, say, Sleaze-Baggo's Internet Cafe, Istanbul (the name has been changed to protect people who don't deserve to be protected, but the place is real) cannot get their sweaty paws on anything of mine: bung in the CD, reboot, straight into a web-browser; smashing! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2 things
Hi all. I have two issues. One is that I would like to respectfully request that you do not change the Subject when responding to emails from this list. It creates a new thread in my email and I end up with LOTS of different threads on the same issue. Secondly, has something changed in the way the list sends out emails? Spamsoap is now catching and holding all the emails coming from the list, because the sender is not showing as the list, but rather as the person who posted the message. I cannot white list everyone who posts to the list. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac Virus - Reliable source
Hi Jim. The botnet mentioned here was distributed through illegal hack versions of Apple's new iWorks and adobe's CS4 apps. They were posted on a P2P torrent, and anyone who became infected is a cheating thieving worthless piece of CR*P who got the infection because they were trying to get something for nothing in complete contempt for all the legal rights of the developers. They deserve everything they get. What anyone has yet to demonstrate to my satisfaction is an OS X infection that happened without the user's interaction whatsoever. I would even accept opening an email and getting infected without authorizing the installation of some kind of software as a valid claim to silent propagation. It simply has not happened yet. I would not say it CANNOT happen. It just hasn't. Windows is vulnerable partly because of methods of programming adopted throughout Microsoft's development department that proved to be very short sighted in terms of security, and also because Microsoft created ways to install software that could then "hide itself". Good for Microsoft. Also good for organized crime. Microsoft also in the past developed a model for silent installs for the purpose of easy administration, which also when hijacked by a malicious programmer proves very handy. Finally, Microsoft has used in XP a method of encryption that has proven very easily crackable. They use MD5, which can be cracked in as short as 5 minutes using a brute force dictionary algorithm. The same password in AES128 would take 1.5 trillion years to crack using the same methodology. If you can get to the password file, you own the computer. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: Mac Users, Mac must be garnering enough market share to attract the attention of the bad guys. This notice came to me via email from PC Tools, who are the manufacturers of Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, etc. A legitimate company with very legitimate anti-virus software for PC, and I guess now for Mac: https://email.pctools.com/servlet/website/PersonalizedForm?iJmslE0okLHml_fHJ _8hm_uLm_TCTX_9NlmhtLkl_vgspgLE.26f7beEINMFoHPHppDkkDJht Keep yourself covered from the latest threats Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Links generated by VisiTrieve. Get VisiTrieve Free Today at http://visitrieve.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inheritance and Custom Properties
Le 15 avr. 09 à 19:05, Dick Kriesel a écrit : On 4/15/09 4:58 AM, "David Bovill" wrote: If you want them "inherited" you need to define a "getprop" handler. You can inherit any custom property even without getprop handlers, by walking through the object's long id until you find a value. Here's a function that does that for any given custom property name, and optionally any given custom property set name as well. If you're interested in a similar function that identifies the object that provided the effective value, let me know. As usual, watch out for line wraps imposed by email. -- Dick function effectiveValue pCustomPropertyName,pCustomPropertySetName put long id of the target into tRevObject if pCustomPropertySetName is empty then put "put the" && pCustomPropertyName && "of tRevObject into tValue" into tStatement else put "put the" && pCustomPropertySetName & "[" & quote & pCustomPropertyName & quote & "] of tRevObject into tValue" into tStatement end if lock messages repeat until tRevObject is empty do tStatement if tValue is empty then if word 1 of tRevObject is "stack" then delete word 1 to 3 of tRevObject else delete word 1 to 4 of tRevObject end if else exit repeat end if end repeat unlock messages return tValue end effectiveValue but you do use the "do" command... I implemented years ago some OOP behaviour for Rinaldi's "textoid" HC external, with the goal of having an as flexible as possible text window management. But I had to use the "do" command, because I basically had to implement an custom interpreter over hypertalk. best regards, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug #7908
Great! Thank u for all! Bye- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug #7908
On Apr 20, 2009, at 10:46 AM, giovanni wrote: Yess! This fix the issue! Now it's perfect! I've only another question for u: this is a definitive solution for me right now, or I've to do this modification everytime I run Revolution? Just save the revdatagridlibrary stack after making the edit and you are good to go. I have added this code to the data grid so it will be included with the next Revolution release. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug #7908
Yess! This fix the issue! Now it's perfect! I've only another question for u: this is a definitive solution for me right now, or I've to do this modification everytime I run Revolution? See u! Bye- > Hi Giovanni, > > I just took a look at this and see the crash on OS X as well. The > crash is occurring when the data grid draws the alternating rows. A > quick fix is the following: > > 1) edit script of btn "Data Grid" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > 2) Locate the _CreateAlternatingColorImage handler. > 3) Change: > > - > lock screen > set the rect of pDestImg to theRect > set the imagedata of pDestImg to theOffsetRow & theColor1Row & > theColor2Row > unlock screen > - > > to > > - > lock screen > set the rect of pDestImg to theRect > put the paintcompression into theOrigCompress > set the paintcompression to PNG > set the imagedata of pDestImg to theOffsetRow & theColor1Row & > theColor2Row > set the paintcompression to theOrigCompress > unlock screen > - > > Doing the above fixed the issue on my machine. Does it work for you? > > Regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug #7908
On Apr 20, 2009, at 9:48 AM, giovanni wrote: Hi all! Ref.: bug #7908 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7908 Datagrid causes Revolution crash when the paintcompression is set to "JPEG" I've installed and using the last 3.5-gm1 version. This bug is still here in Windows XP/Vista. Seems resolved under MacOS. Is there any chance for a solution for Windows in a gm2? :D Hi Giovanni, I just took a look at this and see the crash on OS X as well. The crash is occurring when the data grid draws the alternating rows. A quick fix is the following: 1) edit script of btn "Data Grid" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" 2) Locate the _CreateAlternatingColorImage handler. 3) Change: - lock screen set the rect of pDestImg to theRect set the imagedata of pDestImg to theOffsetRow & theColor1Row & theColor2Row unlock screen - to - lock screen set the rect of pDestImg to theRect put the paintcompression into theOrigCompress set the paintcompression to PNG set the imagedata of pDestImg to theOffsetRow & theColor1Row & theColor2Row set the paintcompression to theOrigCompress unlock screen - Doing the above fixed the issue on my machine. Does it work for you? Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hilite 'sticking' in certain option menus and fields
Thanks Francis, setting the 'focusable' property ie traversalon to true makes the button retain its hilite after selecting which is probably expected behaviour. But it doesn't explain the first problem with the popup, I may bugzilla that. 2009/4/20 Francis Nugent Dixon : > > Hi from Paris, > > Martin, When you create your button by script, examine > the "Focus" and the "Show Focus" options which may be > selected. When you create a standard button with the IDE, > these options are not selected, unless you create a "Default" > button (hilited in blue). I haven't time to experiment, > so this is a wild guess . > > -Francis > > "The best things in life are Illegal, Immoral or Fattening" > > . With one exception ... REVOLUTION ! > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Just to thank you, Jacque, belatedly - I also have never had to produce a web site in anger (I don't count uploads of family photos and the like) and felt just like Joe. What I suppose this conversation does show is the enormous range of users (developers) who can and do benefit from Rev - all the way from hobbyists to very serious commercial developers, with an equal range of technical requirements. IMO there is no other development environment, certainly not a cross-platform one, that can meet such a huge spectrum of needs. Graham On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:21:01 -0500, "J. Landman Gay" > wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just "might" get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. [followed by a nice long explanation for the uninitiated] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bug #7908
Hi all! Ref.: bug #7908 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7908 Datagrid causes Revolution crash when the paintcompression is set to "JPEG" I've installed and using the last 3.5-gm1 version. This bug is still here in Windows XP/Vista. Seems resolved under MacOS. Is there any chance for a solution for Windows in a gm2? :D Thank u and bye ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email with attachment
In /library/scripts/mail scripts/ there is a nice example 'Create New Message' with the option for an attachment. It should get you started (did not test it though) regards Bernd Ian Wood-3 wrote: > > Better to crank up Script Editor and start looking at the > AppleScript dictionary for Mail. > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Sending-Email-with-attachment-tp23117602p23134611.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email with attachment
On 20 Apr 2009, at 10:29, Kay C Lan wrote: Go to be better than the AppleScript option: http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/SBSendEmail/index.html#// apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS10004645 That's for embedding commands in an xcode-built app, as far as I can see. Better to crank up Script Editor and start looking at the AppleScript dictionary for Mail. HTH [OT] If you've never seen the true potential of steam, check this out, a great show, a brilliant episode, and if you wait to the very end, the most glorious slow mo I've seen in a very very long time - unfortunately you only get youtube quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJoyuUJj2Q I already have an extremely healthy respect for steam, but that is downright scary! Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sending Email with attachment
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM, william humphrey wrote: > I'm on Mac so I guess I'll be using the steam engine... > Lucky Go to be better than the AppleScript option: http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/SBSendEmail/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS10004645 HTH [OT] If you've never seen the true potential of steam, check this out, a great show, a brilliant episode, and if you wait to the very end, the most glorious slow mo I've seen in a very very long time - unfortunately you only get youtube quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJoyuUJj2Q ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Editor: (Object: cant set script while it is executing)
I've seen this too. It looks like there are several recent reports in RQCC that might be related to this: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7956 Bernard > On Apr 18, 2009, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill wrote: > >> Not to up on the RevIDe script editor - keep getting this message, but >> can;t >> find which script is executing and command-period is doing nothing. Seems >> no way out save for force quitting? Any tricks? > > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hilite 'sticking' in certain option menus and fields
Hi from Paris, Martin, When you create your button by script, examine the "Focus" and the "Show Focus" options which may be selected. When you create a standard button with the IDE, these options are not selected, unless you create a "Default" button (hilited in blue). I haven't time to experiment, so this is a wild guess . -Francis "The best things in life are Illegal, Immoral or Fattening" . With one exception ... REVOLUTION ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-rev example: dynamic table (was: 'globals.cgi' conversion)
Oops. ;-) OK, now we have version 2, with some error-checking added... http://ijw.on-rev.com/form2.irev Ian On 20 Apr 2009, at 01:45, Kay C Lan wrote: I didn't read this bit, just went to your link first, saw the two LARGE fields so entered two REALLY LARGE numbers. I'm sorry but I may have used your lifetime's worth of bandwidth as it created the world's largest times table ;-(( Maybe you want to include a line "Enter two numbers less than 100" above those fields so others don't waste your next lifetime of bandwidth ;-) Really sorry about the bandwidth but I did learn from your example ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-rev example: dynamic table (was: 'globals.cgi' conversion)
Le 20 avr. 09 à 00:03, Ian Wood a écrit : On 18 Apr 2009, at 09:33, Andre.Bisseret wrote: I was expecting something like a beautiful web page ;--)) This isn't much more beautiful, but it's less like a system readout. ;-) http://ijw.on-rev.com/form1.irev Put in two numbers and hit 'Submit' to see a 'times table'-like table appear. Nothing all that special and I'm sure it could also be done in PHP, but it would have taken me longer to remember how to do a repeat in PHP than the whole thing did via rev/transcript. The Rev code looks like this: " repeat with x = 1 to $_POST["x"] put "" repeat with y= 1 to $_POST["y"] put "" & (x * y) & "" end repeat put "" end repeat put "" ?> Which is nice and familiar. Given the power of Transcript/Rev, it would be easy to add in some sophisticated error-checking code for letters instead of numbers, and instead put a sensible error message if someone puts in garbage. Ian Bonjour, Very nice indeed (though not exactly the part of rev code I am used to ;-)) Thank you much, Ian, for this illustration Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Short Run DVD Production
Hi Stephen, I see nothing about prices on Createspace's site. Any idea what their fees are? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Simple, inexpensive, reliable web hosting. €11/year. http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html On 20 apr 2009, at 04:09, stephen barncard wrote: Swami, check out Amazon's publishing on demand. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=15015781 - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
