Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Ah, this takes me back. On 07 Jun 2002, I wrote on this list (at the conclusion of a long rant): [htmlText is an excellent method of representing the content and style of a field] in so far as it fully represents every aspect that can currently be set for text in a field. It's a great shortcut; without it one would have to (as we used to do in HC) write functions that check the attributes of text character by character. But ... I regret somewhat that it is formatted as a kind of 'cod' HTML ... At the end of this I think I have a new request: introduce a new term as a synonym for htmlText, and make it the preferred name. If formattedText hadn't already been taken, that would be good. The richText might make people think it was going to be RTF; how about the styledtext? (and Dar was kind enough to reply - to the concept, not any of the specific terminology suggestions - I like this. ) Tragically - I word I use in purely ironic mood, given the shape of the world - this exchange came just one month before Bugzilla opened for business, so naturally I never entered the suggestion. But if I was on a decent internet connection at the moment, I'd do it now. Ben Rubinstein | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600 http://www.cogapp.com| Fax : +44 (0)1273-728866 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
And in any case, you can already set and get the rtfText of a field - I think that this is, again, a subset of the rtf 'standard' Best, Mark On 16 Aug 2006, at 20:01, Ben Rubinstein wrote: The richText might make people think it was going to be RTF; how about the styledtext? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
You keep missing the obvious. Whether you call it HTML or FauxML or whatever you like... bold is defined to specify boldface text. p is defined to specify paragraphs title is defined to indicate metadata that is NOT part of the contents. unknown tags are defined to be ignored. Very simple concept, consistently applied, and not surprising or bizarre in the least. Dar Scott wrote: I don't follow this logic: TextEdit can render HTML. TextEdit removes title. Rev fields remove title. Therefore... Rev field can render HTML. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
You twist my words, Dar. The logic you seem to discover in my words is definitely not mine. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 9-aug-2006, om 5:19 heeft Dar Scott het volgende geschreven: On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: html body titlebar/title /body Not that the title tags are in the body and still not rendered by TextEdit. However, if I replace title by foo, bar is visible in TextEdit. Revolution does the same, if I set the htmlText of a field to above html code. I don't follow this logic: TextEdit can render HTML. TextEdit removes title. Rev fields remove title. Therefore... Rev field can render HTML. Try this (similar to above): html body a b /body TextEdit will render the multiple spaces correctly as a single space. Revolution fields will not. That is because Revolution does not render HTML. It does not even try. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Very simple concept, consistently applied, and not surprising or bizarre in the least. I guess we are not able to agree on that. However, I can say that I am surprised. Using htmlText cannot even handle spaces correctly. To me this means there is no intent to render HTML. That, to me, seems clear. Based on that, I am surprised that there is an attempt to filter out title when that isn't even in the body. More over it seems silly to implement something not even in the body when basic things that can be handled by the field are not event attempted. Personally, I don't find that consistent. I'm almost convinced, though, that htmlText should work as you suggest. If so, that means it is buggy. That's the bad news. The good news is that we can submit those bugs. bold is defined to specify boldface text. b p is defined to specify paragraphs In HTML. In htmlText it means lines. title is defined to indicate metadata that is NOT part of the contents. That is not part of a field. unknown tags are defined to be ignored. I must be behind in my HTML. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 9, 2006, at 1:59 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: You twist my words, Dar. The logic you seem to discover in my words is definitely not mine. I apologize. I did not intend to twist your words. I'm sorry I did not infer what you are meaning. I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Thanks Dar, I don't mind being wrong, though. If the htmlText proeprty is proven to be bizarre, I will gladly admit I'm wrong. Neither would I argue that htmlText renders HTML, I'm just saying that the title tag not being parsed is not bizarre in my opinion. So, maybe our positions on this matter are not as diverging as one might think. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 9-aug-2006, om 12:36 heeft Dar Scott het volgende geschreven: I apologize. I did not intend to twist your words. I'm sorry I did not infer what you are meaning. I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On 9 Aug 2006, at 11:36, Dar Scott wrote: I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. I think you might be accused of twisting people's words again. :-) The above description suggests that it renders html well. I didn't see anybody making that claim. Better perhaps... The htmlText renders html kinda. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Dave Cragg wrote: On 9 Aug 2006, at 11:36, Dar Scott wrote: I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. I think you might be accused of twisting people's words again. :-) The above description suggests that it renders html well. I didn't see anybody making that claim. Better perhaps... The htmlText renders html kinda. Cheers Dave I'm at a loose end, let's waste a bit more bandwidth... My take here is that the fact that the htmltext does as you say above renders html kinda. is a side-effect of its true purpose. I see its purpose as to allow access to RR field text formatting information in a text-only form that can be readily understood, stored and manipulated. This is a more user-friendly alternative to a binary stylerun for instance. A pseudo-html syntax was adopted to implement this, which has the side-effect that some html can be rendered in an RR field kinda. I agree with others that the name of the property probably misleads more often than it explains. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Guys, I don't get why title is worthy of an argument and bad feelings. If one expects this in incoming html, then search for it in the block before display, change it or put it into a var then let htmltext do the rest. This should work for any tag that's outside rev-Html. Using Derek Bump's css-to-html I've had good results in my experiments, anyway. The stack also includes nice a browser-like set of buttons that can set text styles in the source field. You can type and change and see the results on each keystroke. I made my own mods to it so see encode and decode working This can render rev htmltext for output to the web. If I want real html rendering from the outside world then I'll use Chipp's brilliant product altBrowser. sqb On Aug 9, 2006, at 1:59 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: You twist my words, Dar. The logic you seem to discover in my words is definitely not mine. I apologize. I did not intend to twist your words. I'm sorry I did not infer what you are meaning. I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. Dar -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 9, 2006, at 5:01 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: I give up. You guys are right. The htmlText renders HTML. I think you might be accused of twisting people's words again. :-) Guilty. The above description suggests that it renders html well. I didn't see anybody making that claim. Better perhaps... The htmlText renders html kinda. Perhaps a question to consider is whether we want it to be mo kinda. Some folks use the htmlText as a way to handle and process the text as a single entity. Enhancing or fixing the HTML nature of this might break such scripts and make new scripts harder to write. Improving representation of the field text, might make htmlText less like HTML. So there is a bit of a stress between these goals, which might be labeled 'html' and 'format'. For example, if htmlText is enhanced or fixed to represent a sequence of spaces correctly, supporting the 'html' use, what impact has that on the 'format' use. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 9, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Guys, I don't get why title is worthy of an argument and bad feelings. It is certainly not worthy of bad feelings. That may not be clear in bantering in email. And the argument, and here I mean discussion, is more about the nature of htmlText and the nature of advocacy for its features. Is the purpose of htmlText to represent text with formatting in a single easy-to-use value? Or is the purpose to represent HTML? It is easy to see which camp we are in. Are you eager to get the space representation fixed or enhanced? If yes, you are probably in the HTML camp. If no, then not. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Folks, I haven't been following this thread. Was someone trying to set the htmlText prop and then retrieve the plain text prop to strip out the HTML? I know this didn't work, why can someone use matchText(theText, (.+?), theTag) and loop to match all tags? Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 9, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Dar Scott wrote: It is easy to see which camp we are in. Are you eager to get the space representation fixed or enhanced? If yes, you are probably in the HTML camp. If no, then not. And if you are surprised at the entities handled when htmlText is set that are not even generated when htmText is fetched, then you are probably in the 'tagged' or 'formatting' camp. If you think it is most important that 'set the htmlText of field x to the htmlText of field x' should leave it unchanged, then you are probably in the 'tagged' or 'formatting' camp. This is a little fuzzy. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
I sure wouldn't want this thread to stop! OK, the httmltext doesn't render multiples spaces as a single space. And it doesn't do tables, or forms, or a lot of other suff. But, I use it ALL THE TIME. Just about every project I do contains htmltext. It's create for embedding links into fields, or images, or formatting the text in a filed or creating psedo-tables with tabstops, or creating oultine controls. While it won't render the majority of HTML pages, it is certainly useful for many of us. btw, Dar, as smart as you are, I'm sure you can create a RegEx script to render the multiple spaces as one ;-). Even though it would be a hack, it's one that works, and us Rev programmers are all about figuring out how to make things WORK. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Except that title has a defined, special meaning that Rev knows about -- which is to specify the title of a document -- and that is by definition distinct from the content. The foo tag however, is undefined. I believe that it's appropriate to strip out the information between title tags and to preserve the information between foo tags. By reference, see: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/HTMLandSGML.html The behavior of WWW applications reading HTML documents and discovering tag or attribute names which they do not understand should be to behave as though, in the case of a tag, the whole tag had not been there but its content had, or in the case of an attribute, that the attribute had not been present. In this case, Rev understands the title tag, and correctly does not include it in the content. It does not understand the foo tag and therefore renders it as if the tag were not there. Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: No, it is what I expect. My internet browser behaves exactly the same. Actually, Dan is right. It is bizarre! My word processor doesn't do it. My calculator doesn't do it. The IP address field in preferences doesn't do it. A Revolution field is not a browser and it is not even an HTML displayer. It has a simple html-like markup view that covers the capabilities of of the field. Though it is similar to HTML, htmlText doesn't even attempt to be like HTML even in little things like representing whitespace. The title is way outside the scope of what htmlText does. Stripping title and not foo is bizarre. It might be a clue that htmlText will become closer to HTML, but I suspect it is an ancient artifact. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Exactly, Bill. Nothing bizarre about it. Thank you for looking up the reference. In reply to Dar's list of applications that do or don't: Apple's TextEdit application behaves exactly like Revolution fields in this respect. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 8-aug-2006, om 12:56 heeft Bill Marriott het volgende geschreven: Except that title has a defined, special meaning that Rev knows about -- which is to specify the title of a document -- and that is by definition distinct from the content. The foo tag however, is undefined. I believe that it's appropriate to strip out the information between title tags and to preserve the information between foo tags. By reference, see: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/HTMLandSGML.html The behavior of WWW applications reading HTML documents and discovering tag or attribute names which they do not understand should be to behave as though, in the case of a tag, the whole tag had not been there but its content had, or in the case of an attribute, that the attribute had not been present. In this case, Rev understands the title tag, and correctly does not include it in the content. It does not understand the foo tag and therefore renders it as if the tag were not there. Dar Scott wrote: Actually, Dan is right. It is bizarre! My word processor doesn't do it. My calculator doesn't do it. The IP address field in preferences doesn't do it. A Revolution field is not a browser and it is not even an HTML displayer. It has a simple html-like markup view that covers the capabilities of of the field. Though it is similar to HTML, htmlText doesn't even attempt to be like HTML even in little things like representing whitespace. The title is way outside the scope of what htmlText does. Stripping title and not foo is bizarre. It might be a clue that htmlText will become closer to HTML, but I suspect it is an ancient artifact. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Except that title has a defined, special meaning that Rev knows about -- which is to specify the title of a document -- and that is by definition distinct from the content. The foo tag however, is undefined. I believe that it's appropriate to strip out the information between title tags and to preserve the information between foo tags. By reference, see: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/HTMLandSGML.html That is an HTML document. You are assuming that a field and htmlText has something to do with HTML. What do you base this assumption on? It is clear that htmlText is a view that is html-like. There is no reason to expect it to process HTML when it is dumped into the property. (Now, I do think htmlText when retrieved might be closer to HTML, such as the handling of white space, but that is a different issue. Maybe it is even possible for retrieved htmlText to closely render in HTML.) There is no reason to expect a field to process HTML when it is dumped into the field's htmlText property. Stripping title is bizarre. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Dar Scott wrote: You are assuming that a field and htmlText has something to do with HTML. What do you base this assumption on? It is clear that htmlText is a view that is html-like. There is no reason to expect it to process HTML when it is dumped into the property. I think that RunTime made a bad choice in naming that property htmlText. If it was never intended to render the full html spec, then it should have been named something like taggedText. There would be no assumption that a property named taggedText would render html pages. That's my two cents. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, setting the htmlText of a field *should* process the (Revolution-supported) HTML in the text, otherwise setting the htmlText of a field would not be useful. The whole point is being able to use the supported html tags to mark up text and then have it displayed properly in a field. If you look at the documentation entry for htmlText, it is clear that this is exactly what this property is intended to do. If you are saying it shouldn't process unsupported HTML tags, that is something different. I'm not sure what it's behavior is. I use htmlText in a project to strip out html by setting the htmlText of a hidden field and then getting the text of that field (instead of htmlText). This neatly strips out the tags. I am, however, only using the Revolution-supported tags in my text. I don't know why it is striping out text between the title tags. At 01:45 PM 8/8/2006, you wrote: On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Except that title has a defined, special meaning that Rev knows about -- which is to specify the title of a document -- and that is by definition distinct from the content. The foo tag however, is undefined. I believe that it's appropriate to strip out the information between title tags and to preserve the information between foo tags. By reference, see: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/HTMLandSGML.html That is an HTML document. You are assuming that a field and htmlText has something to do with HTML. What do you base this assumption on? It is clear that htmlText is a view that is html-like. There is no reason to expect it to process HTML when it is dumped into the property. (Now, I do think htmlText when retrieved might be closer to HTML, such as the handling of white space, but that is a different issue. Maybe it is even possible for retrieved htmlText to closely render in HTML.) There is no reason to expect a field to process HTML when it is dumped into the field's htmlText property. Stripping title is bizarre. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Dar Scott wrote: You are assuming that a field and htmlText has something to do with HTML. What do you base this assumption on? Oh, I dunno, the name of the function beginning with HTML? The documentation which states, Specifies the contents of a field, with its text formatting represented as HTML tags and special characters represented as HTML entities. And the detailed list of supported, unsupported, and custom HTML tags which follows? Seriously, this is a stretch. Consider the Rev text field the equivalent of a WAP 1.0 browser, or something like that. It is a bonafide HTML presentation, to the extent of what Rev text fields are capable of rendering. A relatively complete set of text formatting is available. Images are incorporated as appropriate. Links are handled. And so on. I assume the only reason the rendering is not more complete are the limitations of the field control and Rev itself. There can be no doubt that the intention of the function is to a) export the styled content of a text field as faithfully as possible using HTML and b) to render incoming HTML as properly as possible. The title element is specifically defined in the HTML specification: The TITLE element is not considered part of the flow of text. Stripping title is bizarre. No, it's exactly the right thing to do if you're implementing a function named HTMLText() that is designed to process HTML tags at best-effort. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Sorry I ever mentioned I found it bizarre. Nothing we can do about it. It is what it is. I don't use htmlText because it's too limited and limiting. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: What do you base this assumption on? Oh, I dunno, the name of the function beginning with HTML? The documentation which states, Specifies the contents of a field, with its text formatting represented as HTML tags and special characters represented as HTML entities. Look at what that actually says. It says with its text formatting represented as HTML tags. It never ever says the field displays HTML. It is clear that htmlText was never intended to have to do with HTML. What is the lowest most functionality of HTML? The handling of white space. The htmlText property does not do that in output or input. Metacard and RunRev were clear some time ago in that this is not a bug. BUT, I think it would be a good idea to expand htmlText (when fetched) to be a string that would display the same content (or very similar) content when dumped into an HTML display. I suspect that anything that can be displayed in a field can be represented in HTML. This enhancement will probably break scripts, though. (Links have completely separate semantics, though, and will not transfer completely.) Links are handled. They are? There can be no doubt that the intention of the function is to a) export the styled content of a text field as faithfully as possible using HTML A candidate for an enhancement request. I'd vote for this. I'm not sure how it should handle dontWrap. and b) to render incoming HTML as properly as possible. Nonsense. It can't render HTML. No, it's exactly the right thing to do if you're implementing a function named HTMLText() that is designed to process HTML tags at best-effort. It is clear from its behavior that that was not what it was designed for. No effort was made to make that happen. Would you have released htmlText the way it is if you made it to render HTML? So removing title is bizarre. Somebody complained or asked for it and it was tacked on. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There would be no assumption that a property named taggedText would render html pages. I agree. -- Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:22 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Apple's TextEdit application behaves exactly like Revolution fields in this respect. Are you looking at clipboardData[html]? I don't think TextEdit is creating bad HTML. I think Revolution is using the same function to create htmlText as it does to create clipboardData[html]? Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: Seriously, this is a stretch. If people really believe that, where is the outcry over the handling of white space? If you really believe that, then why haven't you submitted such bugs to BZ? If you try submitting a white space bug (I thought one was submitted, but that may have been before BZ), what are the chances of it being marked not a bug? If you think high, then you know in your heart that htmlText is not HTML. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Dar, No, I opened an html page with the following code in TextEdit while not ignoring RTF commands (isn't it funny that TextEdit uses the same option to en/disable HTML and RTF?): html body titlebar/title /body Not that the title tags are in the body and still not rendered by TextEdit. However, if I replace title by foo, bar is visible in TextEdit. Revolution does the same, if I set the htmlText of a field to above html code. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 9-aug-2006, om 1:06 heeft Dar Scott het volgende geschreven: On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:22 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Apple's TextEdit application behaves exactly like Revolution fields in this respect. Are you looking at clipboardData[html]? I don't think TextEdit is creating bad HTML. I think Revolution is using the same function to create htmlText as it does to create clipboardData[html]? Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There would be no assumption that a property named taggedText would render html pages. I agree Whoops. I think the partial quote might misrepresent Roger. There is an if in the previous sentence: I think that RunTime made a bad choice in naming that property htmlText. If it was never intended to render the full html spec, then it should have been named something like taggedText. There would be no assumption that a property named taggedText would render html pages. That's my two cents. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Just a suggestion - Derek Bump (Dreamscape Software) did some experimenting with css and rev's htmltext a couple of years ago. You might want to check it out. The simple code there did help quite a bit with translating to and from (especially to) real web pages and seemed to scale font sizes pretty well. http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/htmltocss.zip I went in and tweaked a few things for my use on my copy, but it's quite useful as is. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: html body titlebar/title /body Not that the title tags are in the body and still not rendered by TextEdit. However, if I replace title by foo, bar is visible in TextEdit. Revolution does the same, if I set the htmlText of a field to above html code. I don't follow this logic: TextEdit can render HTML. TextEdit removes title. Rev fields remove title. Therefore... Rev field can render HTML. Try this (similar to above): html body a b /body TextEdit will render the multiple spaces correctly as a single space. Revolution fields will not. That is because Revolution does not render HTML. It does not even try. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Dan, Have you tried this? set the htmlText of fld 1 to foobar/foo Didn't know that foo was a supported tag ;-) Revolution just filters out text surrounded by title tags, because they are not supposed to appear in the body of an html page. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 7-aug-2006, om 7:53 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: The problem is that title isn't a supported HTML tag in Rev's formatted text, so nothing shows. If you change the tag to one of those that is supported (see docs), it works fine. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
That's just freaking bizarre! On 8/7/06, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Have you tried this? set the htmlText of fld 1 to foobar/foo Didn't know that foo was a supported tag ;-) Revolution just filters out text surrounded by title tags, because they are not supposed to appear in the body of an html page. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 7-aug-2006, om 7:53 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: The problem is that title isn't a supported HTML tag in Rev's formatted text, so nothing shows. If you change the tag to one of those that is supported (see docs), it works fine. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
No, it is what I expect. My internet browser behaves exactly the same. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 7-aug-2006, om 10:08 heeft Dan Shafer het volgende geschreven: That's just freaking bizarre! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: No, it is what I expect. My internet browser behaves exactly the same. Actually, Dan is right. It is bizarre! My word processor doesn't do it. My calculator doesn't do it. The IP address field in preferences doesn't do it. A Revolution field is not a browser and it is not even an HTML displayer. It has a simple html-like markup view that covers the capabilities of of the field. Though it is similar to HTML, htmlText doesn't even attempt to be like HTML even in little things like representing whitespace. The title is way outside the scope of what htmlText does. Stripping title and not foo is bizarre. It might be a clue that htmlText will become closer to HTML, but I suspect it is an ancient artifact. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
Hi Sivakatirswami, Maybe the field stays empty because the title tag is not a part of the body of the html page. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Download ErrorLib at http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html and get full control of error handling in Revolution. Op 7-aug-2006, om 0:03 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven: I think I am missing thing... I thought this used to work # html tag cleaner, simple no brainer style put titleChapter 1: Great Revolution Recipes/title into tHtml set the htmltext of fld title to tHtml I get nothing returned at all, field is empty. ?? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML Tag Cleaner Fails
The problem is that title isn't a supported HTML tag in Rev's formatted text, so nothing shows. If you change the tag to one of those that is supported (see docs), it works fine. Dan On 8/6/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I am missing thing... I thought this used to work # html tag cleaner, simple no brainer style put titleChapter 1: Great Revolution Recipes/title into tHtml set the htmltext of fld title to tHtml I get nothing returned at all, field is empty. ?? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
