Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Thomas Jacque, What I am going to say here is untested. So far I haven't got the time to try it out but it should work (tm). What you see on the Documents interface on iTunes is the same folder you get when you use specialFolderPath(documents). So why doesn't all apps shown up? Because you need a special flag in the .plist for that to work. You need a boolean key set to true (YES), the key is: UIFileSharingEnabled So if you can get to your plist and set that key to true, then, your documents folder will magically be available on the iTunes interface. I know that in the latest alpha of LiveCode iOS deployment thing, we have access to an editor for the plist but I don't know if it allows you to go to the source to edit it. If it does, then this is very easy. Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Jacqueline, So then, is the Documents folder you're saving to the same folder that Apple expects? In other words can you register that folder as a shared folder and see the contents in iTunes? Thanks Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net On Nov 18, 2010, at 1:43 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 11/17/10 4:46 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I haven't tried in the latest release but before that there was no way for iOS to save out a stack or a preferences file that I know of. Basic file read/write and file URL access works now. I'm saving a text-based prefs file to the Documents folder in the app sandbox. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
On 11/18/10 9:14 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Jacqueline, So then, is the Documents folder you're saving to the same folder that Apple expects? In other words can you register that folder as a shared folder and see the contents in iTunes? I think so, but I've only tested in the simulator so far. But the docs say the Documents folder is compatible with iTunes expectations, and that it's seen and backed up by iTunes. There's no indication you need to do anything in particular to get that behavior, it just happens. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Well this would be great news for a few projects of mine. In xCode you have to register in the applications pList file for Document Sharing in order to 'turn on' this feature. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Nov 18, 2010, at 11:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 11/18/10 9:14 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Jacqueline, So then, is the Documents folder you're saving to the same folder that Apple expects? In other words can you register that folder as a shared folder and see the contents in iTunes? I think so, but I've only tested in the simulator so far. But the docs say the Documents folder is compatible with iTunes expectations, and that it's seen and backed up by iTunes. There's no indication you need to do anything in particular to get that behavior, it just happens. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Ron, I haven't used LC for the APPLE desktop store yet but I am developing a few applications for the APP iOS store. In the APP iOS store application you can not spit out stacks as in 1. and although you could auto check for upgrades 3. you could not download them because Apple won't allow it except through the APP iOS store upgrade mechanism. I do list my homepage in my app and on the APP iOS store in iTunes. I would assume that for the APPLE desktop store there will be some restrictions but not as tight as the APP iOS store. I haven't looked into it yet but I would think that the auto upgrade 3. will not be possible since by using the APPLE store your are agreeing to use their auto upgrade features. Not sure about the prefs or saving a stack out or the home page listing for an APPLE desktop store application. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:06 PM, ron barber wrote: As a follow up to my earlier question _can_ we use LiveCode desktop to make desktop apps to be sold through the Apple store (Kevin's answer was a qualified 'yes') Is anyone _actually_ moving forward with an app for the Apple store? I have an app that I want to make available in the store but I'm worried that current set up may not meet Apple guidelines. If so could you comment on how you eliminated or modified the way you: 1. Save prefs: currently I spit out another stack from a customprop stored in the startupstack. 2. Listing your homepage in the About or Help menus or anywhere else. In other words, Are you providing a way for users to contact you in a way that Apple likes? 3. Auto checking upgrade options: currently my app checks a file on homepage on startup and informs users if there is a newer version. Any other parts of your application that you have modified to conform to Apple's (current) guidelines? Thanks for your suggestions... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Tom, Thanks for the reply and specifics. I recognize that Apple's policy is a work in progress and the app store will probably be somewhat different from the iOS store but I am looking for some guidelines to keep from making obvious mistakes. So what do you do for saving prefs for your iOS app? It sounds like the Apple upgrade mechanism is compatible with a LC app but do we need to do anything to link to it? Thanks Ron On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com wrote: Ron, I haven't used LC for the APPLE desktop store yet but I am developing a few applications for the APP iOS store. In the APP iOS store application you can not spit out stacks as in 1. and although you could auto check for upgrades 3. you could not download them because Apple won't allow it except through the APP iOS store upgrade mechanism. I do list my homepage in my app and on the APP iOS store in iTunes. I would assume that for the APPLE desktop store there will be some restrictions but not as tight as the APP iOS store. I haven't looked into it yet but I would think that the auto upgrade 3. will not be possible since by using the APPLE store your are agreeing to use their auto upgrade features. Not sure about the prefs or saving a stack out or the home page listing for an APPLE desktop store application. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:06 PM, ron barber wrote: As a follow up to my earlier question _can_ we use LiveCode desktop to make desktop apps to be sold through the Apple store (Kevin's answer was a qualified 'yes') Is anyone _actually_ moving forward with an app for the Apple store? I have an app that I want to make available in the store but I'm worried that current set up may not meet Apple guidelines. If so could you comment on how you eliminated or modified the way you: 1. Save prefs: currently I spit out another stack from a customprop stored in the startupstack. 2. Listing your homepage in the About or Help menus or anywhere else. In other words, Are you providing a way for users to contact you in a way that Apple likes? 3. Auto checking upgrade options: currently my app checks a file on homepage on startup and informs users if there is a newer version. Any other parts of your application that you have modified to conform to Apple's (current) guidelines? Thanks for your suggestions... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Ron, I haven't tried in the latest release but before that there was no way for iOS to save out a stack or a preferences file that I know of. In xCode you have a few choices. Either save to the settings pane via API provided by apple or you could save a pList to 'your sandbox' documents folder and read that in. I think -- not sure -- that LC is allowing an internal -- in your bundle -- documents folder that you can write to. I just don't know if this is the same folder that iOS lets you write to. The other choice you have is to write to an external server and read that in on launch. The problem with that approach is that the app would have to be connected to the internet when launched. FWIW, If it is the exact same folder THEN it will be possible to register with iOS and iTunes a shared folder that will be available via iTunes for manually putting and getting files from/into your app. I am working on a few different apps now and will have more info over the next week or so. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:34 AM, ron barber wrote: Tom, Thanks for the reply and specifics. I recognize that Apple's policy is a work in progress and the app store will probably be somewhat different from the iOS store but I am looking for some guidelines to keep from making obvious mistakes. So what do you do for saving prefs for your iOS app? It sounds like the Apple upgrade mechanism is compatible with a LC app but do we need to do anything to link to it? Thanks Ron On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com wrote: Ron, I haven't used LC for the APPLE desktop store yet but I am developing a few applications for the APP iOS store. In the APP iOS store application you can not spit out stacks as in 1. and although you could auto check for upgrades 3. you could not download them because Apple won't allow it except through the APP iOS store upgrade mechanism. I do list my homepage in my app and on the APP iOS store in iTunes. I would assume that for the APPLE desktop store there will be some restrictions but not as tight as the APP iOS store. I haven't looked into it yet but I would think that the auto upgrade 3. will not be possible since by using the APPLE store your are agreeing to use their auto upgrade features. Not sure about the prefs or saving a stack out or the home page listing for an APPLE desktop store application. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:06 PM, ron barber wrote: As a follow up to my earlier question _can_ we use LiveCode desktop to make desktop apps to be sold through the Apple store (Kevin's answer was a qualified 'yes') Is anyone _actually_ moving forward with an app for the Apple store? I have an app that I want to make available in the store but I'm worried that current set up may not meet Apple guidelines. If so could you comment on how you eliminated or modified the way you: 1. Save prefs: currently I spit out another stack from a customprop stored in the startupstack. 2. Listing your homepage in the About or Help menus or anywhere else. In other words, Are you providing a way for users to contact you in a way that Apple likes? 3. Auto checking upgrade options: currently my app checks a file on homepage on startup and informs users if there is a newer version. Any other parts of your application that you have modified to conform to Apple's (current) guidelines? Thanks for your suggestions... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
On 11/17/10 4:46 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I haven't tried in the latest release but before that there was no way for iOS to save out a stack or a preferences file that I know of. Basic file read/write and file URL access works now. I'm saving a text-based prefs file to the Documents folder in the app sandbox. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
As a follow up to my earlier question _can_ we use LiveCode desktop to make desktop apps to be sold through the Apple store (Kevin's answer was a qualified 'yes') Is anyone _actually_ moving forward with an app for the Apple store? I have an app that I want to make available in the store but I'm worried that current set up may not meet Apple guidelines. If so could you comment on how you eliminated or modified the way you: 1. Save prefs: currently I spit out another stack from a customprop stored in the startupstack. 2. Listing your homepage in the About or Help menus or anywhere else. In other words, Are you providing a way for users to contact you in a way that Apple likes? 3. Auto checking upgrade options: currently my app checks a file on homepage on startup and informs users if there is a newer version. Any other parts of your application that you have modified to conform to Apple's (current) guidelines? Thanks for your suggestions... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Ron, I don't develop for iPad/iPhone (yet) but it seems to me that Revolution owe all its developers who do develop on that platform an answer to your questions and any others that would make it easier to develop apps for the Apple Store. Pete Haworth On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:06 PM, ron barber wrote: As a follow up to my earlier question _can_ we use LiveCode desktop to make desktop apps to be sold through the Apple store (Kevin's answer was a qualified 'yes') Is anyone _actually_ moving forward with an app for the Apple store? I have an app that I want to make available in the store but I'm worried that current set up may not meet Apple guidelines. If so could you comment on how you eliminated or modified the way you: 1. Save prefs: currently I spit out another stack from a customprop stored in the startupstack. 2. Listing your homepage in the About or Help menus or anywhere else. In other words, Are you providing a way for users to contact you in a way that Apple likes? 3. Auto checking upgrade options: currently my app checks a file on homepage on startup and informs users if there is a newer version. Any other parts of your application that you have modified to conform to Apple's (current) guidelines? Thanks for your suggestions... Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Greetings, I know about Apple's reversal of policy on the iPhone/pad and Rev's progress on providing a solution via LiveCode iOS to us to submit apps to that store. With the announcement of the upcoming App Store I was under the impression that applications made with LiveCode were also able to be submitted. However, in reading Apple's agreement it says Your Application must ... use Xcode for bundling and submission. Perhaps I don't understand the meaning of this or I misunderstood that LiveCode apps could be submitted as is to the AppStore. Can someone clarify this for me please? Can we submit our LiveCode apps to Apple or not? Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
ron barber wrote: I know about Apple's reversal of policy on the iPhone/pad and Rev's progress on providing a solution via LiveCode iOS to us to submit apps to that store. With the announcement of the upcoming App Store I was under the impression that applications made with LiveCode were also able to be submitted. However, in reading Apple's agreement it says Your Application must ... use Xcode for bundling and submission. Perhaps I don't understand the meaning of this or I misunderstood that LiveCode apps could be submitted as is to the AppStore. Can someone clarify this for me please? Can we submit our LiveCode apps to Apple or not? SDK 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 allowed LiveCode Mobile, 4.1 prohibited it, then 4.2 allowed it again. Given that the bizarreness of the provenance clause in SDK license 4.1 was outdone only by removing it in 4.2 with no explanation as to why they came to feel it wasn't a smart thing to do, one can appreciate the confusion caused by such fickleness. But fortunately Kevin reported here last month that the first LiveCode-based app has been accepted into the App Store: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-October/147452.html So apparently this week's license terms do indeed allow LiveCode to be used for development, but I'll have to rely on others here to explain the mechanics of the bundling and submission process since I haven't yet deployed anything to iOS (though I have a project starting next week which will have me making an iPad app -- I hope for my client's sake that the SDK terms remain stable enough to allow a positive ROI on that investment). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
I think Richard's answer just covered the topic about whether LiveCode apps are permitted now, but part of the question was about whether Xcode has to be used as the way to submit the app? Is there a walkthrough somewhere of the submission process for LiveCode apps? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Thanks RIchard I understand about LiveCode Mobile and Apple's policy reversals. But what about the upcoming non-iOS App store, the one for non-mobile applications. We don't use LiveCode mobile for these apps as well, right? Can we use desktop LiveCode to make desktop app for the upcoming desktop app store? Thanks Ron On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: ron barber wrote: SDK 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 allowed LiveCode Mobile, 4.1 prohibited it, then 4.2 allowed it again. Given that the bizarreness of the provenance clause in SDK license 4.1 was outdone only by removing it in 4.2 with no explanation as to why they came to feel it wasn't a smart thing to do, one can appreciate the confusion caused by such fickleness. But fortunately Kevin reported here last month that the first LiveCode-based app has been accepted into the App Store: http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-October/147452.html So apparently this week's license terms do indeed allow LiveCode to be used for development, but I'll have to rely on others here to explain the mechanics of the bundling and submission process since I haven't yet deployed anything to iOS (though I have a project starting next week which will have me making an iPad app -- I hope for my client's sake that the SDK terms remain stable enough to allow a positive ROI on that investment). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Though I have a project starting next week which will have me making an iPad app -- I hope for my client's sake that the SDK terms remain stable enough to allow a positive ROI on that investment). Sure you will be successful ! Seems that SJ is really able to do, analyze and remove its own mistakes. I like this ;-) Kind Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
On 11/11/2010 13:41, ron barber runrev...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks RIchard I understand about LiveCode Mobile and Apple's policy reversals. But what about the upcoming non-iOS App store, the one for non-mobile applications. We don't use LiveCode mobile for these apps as well, right? Can we use desktop LiveCode to make desktop app for the upcoming desktop app store? Yes. We have some customers in process of submitting right now, I'll let you know how they get on. If we need to make any modifications to the LiveCode platform we will do so but hopefully apps will be accepted as they stand. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode and the Mac App Store
Thank you Kevin for this affirmation. I appreciate all the efforts made to enable us to take advantage of these opportunities, both mobile and desktop. Please keep us updated on the progress of those submitting their apps. I hope to do so soon as well. Thanks Ron On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: On 11/11/2010 13:41, ron barber runrev...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks RIchard I understand about LiveCode Mobile and Apple's policy reversals. But what about the upcoming non-iOS App store, the one for non-mobile applications. We don't use LiveCode mobile for these apps as well, right? Can we use desktop LiveCode to make desktop app for the upcoming desktop app store? Yes. We have some customers in process of submitting right now, I'll let you know how they get on. If we need to make any modifications to the LiveCode platform we will do so but hopefully apps will be accepted as they stand. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LiveCode Apps and Mac App Store
Greetings, I'm aware of the change in Apple policy that allows creation and submission of LiveCode apps to the iPhone/Pad store and that Rev has taken steps in that direction. I was under the impression that the AppStore was the same - viz. apps built with LiveCode could be submitted and accepted. However, when I read the agreement it states that Your Application must... use Xcode for bundling and submission. Perhaps I don't understand the context or meaning of bundling and submission so my question is, can LiveCode apps be submitted as is to the Mac App store? Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
App store audio blog discussion
http://www.coreint.org/audio/CoreInt_34.mp3 Interesting discussion from well know developers Daniel Jalkut is the founder of Red Sweater Software. Manton Reece is the founder of Riverfold Software. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Kevin, FYI, I'm surprised the app was accepted because it has the text IPHONE TEST APP on the background and Apple's submission guidelines specifically state that no 'test apps should be submitted. It is a minor thing for sure and the app itself seems ready for prime time but I would be prepared that the next time an Apple tester reviews it (updates etc.) that they may reject the app with that background. Regards, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 27/10/2010 18:14, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: It's a shame that it's not iPad too, because the multitouch works well. I got 41 sheep on my iPhone and 58 on my iPad. There are lots of things we could add to this game. Really though the purpose of the application wasn't to use and support every last feature or produce a best seller, it was to get the binaries and associated data into the right format so that they would pass the submission process. Which they now have. We have another app that's a bit more sophisticated that should be going live any time now too. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Seems in line with similar apps. 1 - 2 seconds on my 1st Gen iPod Touch. Devin On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Cool! Unfortunately for me, the games category is not available here. Can someone who installed this version comment on launch times? Andre On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: On 27/10/2010 18:14, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: It's a shame that it's not iPad too, because the multitouch works well. I got 41 sheep on my iPhone and 58 on my iPad. There are lots of things we could add to this game. Really though the purpose of the application wasn't to use and support every last feature or produce a best seller, it was to get the binaries and associated data into the right format so that they would pass the submission process. Which they now have. We have another app that's a bit more sophisticated that should be going live any time now too. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Hi Kevin, Maybe I missed something but I never got the email which said what the name of the app was. Others are asking too, so I don't think I am the only one. Bob On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 26/10/2010 20:06, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: Congratulations! What is the name of the App? I'd love to download it and have a look! The email from Apple says Your app is now Ready for Sale but that the link can take up to 24 hours to go live in the iTunes store - this is an automated process that occurs after an App has been approved. I'll post the link once it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Devin Asay wrote: Seems in line with similar apps. 1 - 2 seconds on my 1st Gen iPod Touch. On iPad and iPhone 4 it's pretty instant. There is an iOS 4 glitch though. The game does honor multitasking, but if you fast app switch back to the game while it's playing, only the countdown timer is redrawn. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Good, good, good ! Just tested it on my iPhone 3GS/iOS4.1 Will see on the iPad too but... my sister, still, get it ! Congratulations Oliver and all :) Pierre Le 27 oct. 2010 à 19:14, Colin Holgate a écrit : On Oct 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Fabrice Muller wrote: The application is available under : http://itunes.apple.com/ch/artist/runrev-ltd/id399057639 It's a shame that it's not iPad too, because the multitouch works well. I got 41 sheep on my iPhone and 58 on my iPad. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On 27/10/2010 18:39, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Maybe I missed something but I never got the email which said what the name of the app was. Others are asking too, so I don't think I am the only one. We have the Sheep Herder app (the one we created in the video showing development of an iPhone app in 3 hours 16 minutes on youtube). And we worked with one of our customers to submit one of their applications which has just gone live Kutchula nthawi, for teaching the time to children in Malawi, from EuroTalk. This app has been designed in the local language so you won't be able to understand much about what it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
This is an evil app. And it has cost me a lot of money besides. I wore a hole in my iPhone screen herding sheep!! LOL! j/k Bob On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 27/10/2010 18:39, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Maybe I missed something but I never got the email which said what the name of the app was. Others are asking too, so I don't think I am the only one. We have the Sheep Herder app (the one we created in the video showing development of an iPhone app in 3 hours 16 minutes on youtube). And we worked with one of our customers to submit one of their applications which has just gone live Kutchula nthawi, for teaching the time to children in Malawi, from EuroTalk. This app has been designed in the local language so you won't be able to understand much about what it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: This is an evil app. And it has cost me a lot of money besides. I wore a hole in my iPhone screen herding sheep!! LOL! j/k I think that outcome is previously unherd of. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
that was baaad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: This is an evil app. And it has cost me a lot of money besides. I wore a hole in my iPhone screen herding sheep!! LOL! j/k I think that outcome is previously unherd of. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
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Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Well done Kevin, unfortunately I made the mistake of giving my 4 year old son a go and it seems unlikely I will get my iPad back for a while ;-) Cheers Monte On 28/10/2010, at 5:03 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 27/10/2010 18:39, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Maybe I missed something but I never got the email which said what the name of the app was. Others are asking too, so I don't think I am the only one. We have the Sheep Herder app (the one we created in the video showing development of an iPhone app in 3 hours 16 minutes on youtube). And we worked with one of our customers to submit one of their applications which has just gone live Kutchula nthawi, for teaching the time to children in Malawi, from EuroTalk. This app has been designed in the local language so you won't be able to understand much about what it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
I gave it a rave review just to horse around. We should all do that and see if people download it more. We might just have a monster on our hands! How about if the sheep ran around a maze, and tried to gobble up the pile of grass (that would be you) that was trying to get away? There could be little yellow dots along the maze path that you had to gobble up before escaping, and piles of cow manure laying about here and there that if you ate them, repulsed the sheep and made them run away, but you like. (You are a pile of grass, remember?) Once you cleared the level you could escape to through the doors to the sheepfold located in the sides! The quicker you clear the level, the more bonus points you get. You could have different mazes and then it could go faster and faster... Okay I'll stop now. :-) Bob On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Well done Kevin, unfortunately I made the mistake of giving my 4 year old son a go and it seems unlikely I will get my iPad back for a while ;-) Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Congrats Kevin! Nice job and fun game. When can we expect our own version of LiveCode Mobile which supports AppStore submission? On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: On 27/10/2010 18:39, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Maybe I missed something but I never got the email which said what the name of the app was. Others are asking too, so I don't think I am the only one. We have the Sheep Herder app (the one we created in the video showing development of an iPhone app in 3 hours 16 minutes on youtube). And we worked with one of our customers to submit one of their applications which has just gone live Kutchula nthawi, for teaching the time to children in Malawi, from EuroTalk. This app has been designed in the local language so you won't be able to understand much about what it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Sounds like your first iOS app in the making Bob. For me I think it would be more realistic if it were goats (I have 4) and they kept running over to any neighbouring iPhones (think properties) and you had to entice them back using your supply of apples but if your neighbour offered more apples to the goats they might capture the goat and take it to the butcher then invite you over for a goat curry. The first person to invite all their neighbours over for a goat curry wins ;-) Cheers Monte On 28/10/2010, at 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I gave it a rave review just to horse around. We should all do that and see if people download it more. We might just have a monster on our hands! How about if the sheep ran around a maze, and tried to gobble up the pile of grass (that would be you) that was trying to get away? There could be little yellow dots along the maze path that you had to gobble up before escaping, and piles of cow manure laying about here and there that if you ate them, repulsed the sheep and made them run away, but you like. (You are a pile of grass, remember?) Once you cleared the level you could escape to through the doors to the sheepfold located in the sides! The quicker you clear the level, the more bonus points you get. You could have different mazes and then it could go faster and faster... Okay I'll stop now. :-) Bob On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Well done Kevin, unfortunately I made the mistake of giving my 4 year old son a go and it seems unlikely I will get my iPad back for a while ;-) Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On 10/27/10 6:50 AM, Fabrice Muller wrote: The application is available under :http://itunes.apple.com/ch/artist/runrev-ltd/id399057639 I got up to 38! hehe Question: can we use the player in the stacks and bundle small movies with the app? (or download from the web server on demand?) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 26/10/10 3:47 PM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: The way successfully used by the french Credit Agricole bank to make it's fortune in using a slipknot credit policy to make its cattle's breeders customers as dependent as possible from the bank. Apple will probably be successful too in granting its ability to have the test-market risks and job done by others before killing them by Apple labeled cloned apps when the original solutions become too profitable to let them in independent and naive hands. Is Apple on the road to become one of the most important cloner all over the world after China ? Perhaps not... The major supermarket chains operate in exactly the same way. Terry... -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Hi folks, I've blogged with my take on the Mac App store here: http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Helpful synthese post, Kevin Thanks, Kind regards from southern Europ Pierre Le 26 oct. 2010 à 14:14, Kevin Miller a écrit : Hi folks, I've blogged with my take on the Mac App store here: http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. snip___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/26/2010 06:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. Let's try to imagine something a bit more intelligent than a bipolar Christian all-or-nothing situation with Heaven and Hell; for starters, how about a multiplicity of hells with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates as shameless devils, and, dare I say it, Mark Shuttleworth as a sort of sneaky, covered devil; probably we could cast ole Squeaky (err . . .Richard Stallman) as that horrible crocodile god in Egyptian religion who munched hearts. I don't honestly know why we have to bother about light disguises. This of course leads to the inevitable question: if all computer people eventually grow horns where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 26, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Richmond wrote: where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me Don't know about you or Kevin. I'm thinking Russian Riveria at Jumala, then Riga to S.Pb by train - Moscow - trans-Sierian RR. Yurts horses. Off the grid and onto the tracks. Ciao ciao! sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Hi Folks, Some exciting news for you all! http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Some exciting news for you all! http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kevin, are you sure that it wasn't done in GameSalad? Just kidding... Looking forward to the more capable build. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Kevin, Congratulations! What is the name of the App? I'd love to download it and have a look! Devin On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Hi Folks, Some exciting news for you all! http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
On 26/10/2010 20:06, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: Congratulations! What is the name of the App? I'd love to download it and have a look! The email from Apple says Your app is now Ready for Sale but that the link can take up to 24 hours to go live in the iTunes store - this is an automated process that occurs after an App has been approved. I'll post the link once it does. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Recently, Kevin Miller wrote: Some exciting news for you all! http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Congrats Kevin that's some great news. Looking forward to more on the iOS and Androids fonts. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Richmond asked: This of course leads to the inevitable question: if all computer people eventually grow horns where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me Imps. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Hi Folks, Some exciting news for you all! http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ C'est de la balle !!! Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Le 26 oct. 2010 à 20:13, Richmond a écrit : On 10/26/2010 06:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. Let's try to imagine something a bit more intelligent than a bipolar Christian all-or-nothing situation with Heaven and Hell; for starters, how about a multiplicity of hells with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates as shameless devils, and, dare I say it, Mark Shuttleworth as a sort of sneaky, covered devil; probably we could cast ole Squeaky (err . . .Richard Stallman) as that horrible crocodile god in Egyptian religion who munched hearts. I don't honestly know why we have to bother about light disguises. This of course leads to the inevitable question: if all computer people eventually grow horns where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me :D -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode applications accepted in iOS App Store
Congratulations! What is the name of the App? I'd love to download it and have a look! The email from Apple says Your app is now Ready for Sale but that the link can take up to 24 hours to go live in the iTunes store - this is an automated process that occurs after an App has been approved. I'll post the link once it does. With Rodeo, we found this stage took just under 1 hour, so it should be real soon now Kevin. Congratulations to you and the team. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Thanks Chipp. This thread has got so long that I couldn't find the post. Sent from my iPad On 25/10/2010, at 12:16 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: That someone is probably me. Here's my research. Both of these reputable websites claim iPad apps sell for only about a buck more than iPhone apps. Not the best of news for developers who make a living selling apps. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/04/average-ipad-app-price-is-1-more-than-iphone-apps/ http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/04/average-ipad-app-price-is-1-more-than-iphone-apps/ and http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/05/ipad-pushing-average-apps-prices-higher-but-not-by-much.ars On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: Someone mentioned that the iOS App Store was not displaying the expected increase in price from iPhone to iPad apps. My searches seem to indicate that the average iPhone app costs $0.99 while the average iPad app costs $4.99 i.e. 5 times the price. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
This analogy would hold true, if WalMart charged 30% of the profit margin of everything sold in it's store, required a registration process before you could even sell anything through them, but had such awesome security that all but eliminated shoplifting and employee theft. In an environment such as that, it would not at all be inconceivable that other business models could thrive. You know, people really play fast and loose with analogies these days, because they can say, Well it's like... and few people will take the time to examine the argument critically to see if indeed the analogy holds up. This especially is true when people want the argument supposedly supported by the analogy to be valid. my 2¢, Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Lynn, Saw an interesting post over at Gizmodo today. http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?skyline=trues=i One of the more interesting comments is so appropriately true: The argument that the app store doesn't bar outside installations is bogus. It's like making the free market argument for walmart. Having a walmart in the center of your town and expecting competition to thrive is not a very smart bet. It's like saying that It would be a shame if you lost those kneecaps is a compassionate statement. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Hi Chipp, Bob, http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-prog ram?skyline=trues=i One of the more interesting comments is so appropriately true: The argument that the app store doesn't bar outside installations is bogus. It's like making the free market argument for walmart. Having a walmart in the center of your town and expecting competition to thrive is not a very smart bet. I think this is a close analogy, except that Walmart is loved only for one thing - its prices. There's no value add otherwise from Walmart. With Apple, there is the *perceived* value add of Apple products (I don't want to debate actual value, but those who buy Apple products very often have a very high perceived value for what they are getting), that is unlike any other platform. When Microsoft coupled Internet Explorer to its OS or its own MSN on its desktop, I don't think many people assumed those things where there specifically because they were best of breed; but the presence of both was deemed to be anti-competitive. Being pre-installed means something (and something to consider now that Apple is no longer pre-installing Flash). The problem with the Mac App Store is that it makes a lot of sense, but its fraught with moral ambiguities. I see a little SJ angel and a little SJ devil on Steve's shoulders. The angel is piping on about how Apple isn't closing down any other ways to purchase Mac apps or making it appear bad to purchase them through other venues. The devil suggests Richard's installer warning, new APIs only available store partners, and interactively modifying requirements and restrictions whenever there's a new vertical market Apple can profitably exploit (after proven by third parties of course). The devil is 100% in the camp of shareholder value, so I think there's something to be worried about. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Hi Sarah - very interesting perspective on the App Store. I was particularly struck by one point. On 25/10/2010 01:36, Sarah Reichelt wrote: The other iOS phenomenon I would expect to see on the Mac, is greater numbers of small, cheap, single-use apps. LiveCode is ideally suited to this market, provided we can get the native controls etc, that the App store will require. I am building a small app (primarily, if not entirely) for my own use. It does two related, but kind of different, things, which need slightly different user input. And I've been struggling with how to handle that Should I - display all controls - have modes, and disable those controls that don't currently apply - hide those that don't apply - use modal / wizard style for the more complicated one Oh, so many choices. And your point above gave me the right answer for this case - make it two separate apps. Make each one totally focused, no complications arise over what controls to show or what to display. Sometimes the answer is too simple :-) Thanks, -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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This famous study on the impact WalMart has had on small town businesses certainly debunks your notion both can thrive-- your comments regarding 30% and other non sequiturs notwithstanding. You may wish to '*take the time to examine*' it. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.econ.iastate.edu/faculty/stone/1995_IA_WM_study.pdf On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: This analogy would hold true, if WalMart charged 30% of the profit margin of everything sold in it's store, required a registration process before you could even sell anything through them, but had such awesome security that all but eliminated shoplifting and employee theft. In an environment such as that, it would not at all be inconceivable that other business models could thrive. You know, people really play fast and loose with analogies these days, because they can say, Well it's like... and few people will take the time to examine the argument critically to see if indeed the analogy holds up. This especially is true when people want the argument supposedly supported by the analogy to be valid. my 2¢, Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 26 oct. 2010 à 01:33, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : The devil suggests Richard's installer warning, new APIs only available store partners, and interactively modifying requirements and restrictions whenever there's a new vertical market Apple can profitably exploit (after proven by third parties of course). The devil is 100% in the camp of shareholder value, so I think there's something to be worried about. The way successfully used by the french Credit Agricole bank to make it's fortune in using a slipknot credit policy to make its cattle's breeders customers as dependent as possible from the bank. Apple will probably be successful too in granting its ability to have the test-market risks and job done by others before killing them by Apple labeled cloned apps when the original solutions become too profitable to let them in independent and naive hands. Is Apple on the road to become one of the most important cloner all over the world after China ? Perhaps not... It will just become part of our job not to depend from Apple in any way at all. Our chance : SJ don't care - for yet - about enterprise vertical markets nor cloud and saas ones. Best, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/21/10 11:34 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device -- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, FWIW - Recently I got an iPod Touch and restored by iPhone onto it, making it a mirror image of my phone app-wise except for the ability to call. Phil Davis and you cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside from testing and limited distribution apps). So presumably, the someone wanting help legitimately obtained your app. Your question does raise another question: what about folks who deliver paid apps with no restrictions on the devices they can run on? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Lynn, An issue which may be interesting, especially considering Apple's recent foray into the Mac AppStore. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323362/Apple-court-claims-teen-models-steamy-pictures-used-consent.html?ITO=1490 It appears Apple is being sued because of an iPhone app contained illegal images. I always wondered about implied liability: If it's Apple's store, Apple's license, Apple's DRM, and Apple's customer, then who is liable when something like this happens? We all know any decent programmer could create an app with a trojan that pops up a VOTE FOR MY CANDIDATE window this November-- which could never be detected by the AppStore geniuses. So, who's legally at fault? I guess this upcoming lawsuit may provide a hint, except I'm sure Apple will settle it out of court with terms not to be disclosed. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device -- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, and you cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside from testing and limited distribution apps). So presumably, the someone wanting help legitimately obtained your app. Not quite true Scott. App purchases are tied to an Apple ID which may have more than one device. I have apps on both my iPhone iPad and I have only bought them once. If I buy on my iPhone, then try to buy again on my iPad, I get a message saying You have already bought this app. Click here to download it again for free. (or something like that). So while the developer can be sure I bought the app, I can still use it on more than on device. With regards to the Mac App Store, I am a dedicated Mac person, but my kids use PCs for playing games. And where do my kids get their games? From Valve, via their Steam app store :-) This allows online purchases, updates are automatic, downloads are guaranteed virus-free. It's great. Of course there are other games developers out there who are not part of the Steam network, but as consumers, my children prefer the Steam store. They don't have to persuade me to drive to the local store, which most likely won't have the latest game. They get new releases at the same time as the rest of the world (not usual here in Australia), and the apps are much cheaper than they would be at the store. Most of my development is in-house stuff or contract work, neither of which would be suited to the App Store, but I release the occasional bit of shareware. As I am not interested in spending my time on elaborate protection schemes, I just rely on the small percentage of users who will actually pay, but with the Mac App store, even if I reduced the prices dramatically, I would still expect to make more. Someone mentioned that the iOS App Store was not displaying the expected increase in price from iPhone to iPad apps. My searches seem to indicate that the average iPhone app costs $0.99 while the average iPad app costs $4.99 i.e. 5 times the price. I would not be surprised if Mac software followed the same curve and went for about $25. The other iOS phenomenon I would expect to see on the Mac, is greater numbers of small, cheap, single-use apps. LiveCode is ideally suited to this market, provided we can get the native controls etc, that the App store will require. Finally (sorry for this rambling reply), I thing RunRev would be doing themselves a great disservice if they did not make sure the LiveCode itself was available through the Mac App Store. And with the new single bundle installation, I think they have taken a big step towards making that possible. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Recently, I wrote: I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device -- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, and you cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside from testing and limited distribution apps). So presumably, the someone wanting help legitimately obtained your app. Recently, Sarah Reichelt responded: Not quite true Scott. App purchases are tied to an Apple ID which may have more than one device. I have apps on both my iPhone iPad and I have only bought them once. If I buy on my iPhone, then try to buy again on my iPad, I get a message saying You have already bought this app. Click here to download it again for free. (or something like that). So while the developer can be sure I bought the app, I can still use it on more than on device. You're right Sarah, but my point was more that you can't take one of your apps and arbitrarily hand it off to someone else. It won't operate because it's tied to a device ID (development or ad hoc), or your Apple ID (app store). I'm losing opacity in my old age... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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That someone is probably me. Here's my research. Both of these reputable websites claim iPad apps sell for only about a buck more than iPhone apps. Not the best of news for developers who make a living selling apps. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/04/average-ipad-app-price-is-1-more-than-iphone-apps/ http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/04/average-ipad-app-price-is-1-more-than-iphone-apps/ and http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/05/ipad-pushing-average-apps-prices-higher-but-not-by-much.ars On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: Someone mentioned that the iOS App Store was not displaying the expected increase in price from iPhone to iPad apps. My searches seem to indicate that the average iPhone app costs $0.99 while the average iPad app costs $4.99 i.e. 5 times the price. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. I'm a little surprised we are still alive after the previous apocalyptic prophesies made about the previous draconian decree forced upon us by Steve. As usual I'll vote with my wallet, and lets just see what the wallet has to say about Steve's suicidal business decisions: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Of course, unlike an individual of integrity, who'd stand by their statements and stick with them now matter how foolish they are - a bit like the decorated military commanders we revere who just keep sending the troops to their deaths no matter the toll, because they said they'd get that job done - Steve had to eat humble pie and go back on his word, which I think occurred around Sep 10th - Apple stock had subsequently languished selling at a measly $263.41. Today the Stock is suffering at $309.52 and guess given the List's 'the end is nigh' assessment of his latest announcement, will continue to suffer badly as Apple dwindles into oblivion. Some of course might find it interesting that on 30th April Microsoft was listed at $30:54, having not made any silly decisions on 10th Sep it was listed at $23:85, and today at $25:38! Outside of the Tech industry Walmart was listed at $53:64 30th April, and again didn't make any silly decisions, so on 10th Sep were listed at $51:97, and today at $54:06. Yep, some people on this List, if they had a spare 10 grand would go out and 'eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die'. Me, between Apple and any other company represented by any individual on this List, I'd invest that 10 grand in Apple - there's still a whole heap more money to be made up until the time Steve dies, then it's SELL SELL SELL! It's strange how some people think that the real reason people buy Korean cars is because they are more reliable, cheaper and do the same job, if not better, than the more expensive European offering. The truth is, apart from a very few select individuals, Warren Buffett is the only one that comes to mind, the vast majority of consumers, if they won $133 million on the New York Mega Million Lottery, would go out and buy the Ferrari. Deep down everyone knows what they really want, but it's common sense that prevails and forces as to justify our more sensible spending. It's the marketing man's job to push that common sense boundary as high up the price ladder as he can. Steve is Satan, he's been pushing Apple from the very beginning ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus increasingly to media is in the control of a few corporations who make the platforms? Or do you want a world in which you buy the platform, install what you want from where you want, buy, read and watch and listen to what you want from wherever you want? Its the CD model versus the iTunes model. 2) Do you as developer want to have one route to market, an App store run by the device manufacturer, and have him able to eject your stuff instantly on a whim? And then let it back in again on a whim, who knows for how long? The reason the debate now comes up with OSX has nothing to do with that OS in particular, it is that people think, reasonably enough based on the track record, that Apple is starting to move OSX to the iPod and iPad model. They don't trust it. And they think it has serious societal implications. Once again, reasonably enough, given the track record. These are the guys who ban apps based on what you can, but do not have to, use them to download, when the material you allegedly might download is perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, but for some reason, the guys at Apple do not approve of it. They banned Matlab, for Heaven's sake! A version of Ulysses! Corporate control of what you can do with your computer or your ebook reader or your tablet is a threat, probably in the West now emerging as the main threat, to intellectual freedom. This is not OS wars. This is corporate conduct wars. The same or very similar points can be made about Amazon and its ebook format and sales methods. It is perfectly possible that being on the wrong side of that debate may be very profitable for Apple and lead to rising share prices. I doubt it, I think the probable effect of these efforts at control will be to promote hacking and piracy. But even were it a good route to rising profits and stock prices, doesn't make it any righter. And the problem is, Apple always has been evil in this way, but it used not to matter because it was too small for its example to matter. Now it is getting bigger, its a real force in society. So you can no longer say, you don't like it don't buy it. You buy it or not, its influence is profound. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3008464.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. Take a good look long at OS X 10.7's Launch Pad and consider the implications. Once independent web distribution means a 30% loss to Apple, it would be a slap in the face to their shareholders if Apple didn't do everything possible to communicate to their audience that App Store apps are the only cool ones, the only convenient ones, the only safe ones; ultimately, the only desirable ones. While it may seem comical today, this dialog box may not be completely unimaginable a year or two from now: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 As a developer that's frightening, but as a shareholder I would expect nothing less. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/23/2010 05:40 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus increasingly to media is in the control of a few corporations who make the platforms? Or do you want a world in which you buy the platform, install what you want from where you want, buy, read and watch and listen to what you want from wherever you want? Its the CD model versus the iTunes model. 2) Do you as developer want to have one route to market, an App store run by the device manufacturer, and have him able to eject your stuff instantly on a whim? And then let it back in again on a whim, who knows for how long? The reason the debate now comes up with OSX has nothing to do with that OS in particular, it is that people think, reasonably enough based on the track record, that Apple is starting to move OSX to the iPod and iPad model. They don't trust it. And they think it has serious societal implications. Once again, reasonably enough, given the track record. These are the guys who ban apps based on what you can, but do not have to, use them to download, when the material you allegedly might download is perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, but for some reason, the guys at Apple do not approve of it. They banned Matlab, for Heaven's sake! A version of Ulysses! Corporate control of what you can do with your computer or your ebook reader or your tablet is a threat, probably in the West now emerging as the main threat, to intellectual freedom. This is not OS wars. This is corporate conduct wars. The same or very similar points can be made about Amazon and its ebook format and sales methods. It is perfectly possible that being on the wrong side of that debate may be very profitable for Apple and lead to rising share prices. I doubt it, I think the probable effect of these efforts at control will be to promote hacking and piracy. The other day, one of the kids who worked with RunRev with me over the summer asked me where he could get a copy of RevMedia for Windows as his system had been hosed by a virus and he hadn't got a backup copy. I was severely tempted . . . but didn't. But even were it a good route to rising profits and stock prices, doesn't make it any righter. And the problem is, Apple always has been evil in this way, but it used not to matter because it was too small for its example to matter. Now it is getting bigger, its a real force in society. So you can no longer say, you don't like it don't buy it. You buy it or not, its influence is profound. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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A few times in the past I've bought these discounted bundles, where you get perhaps a dozen applications for less than the price of the most expensive of them. It's generally a good deal, especially if there's just one of them that you were already thinking about buying at full price. Those economics may seems crazy, the software developers must be getting 1/10th the amount they normally would. But then they are probably selling to more than ten times as many people as normal, so overall they have earned more in the same period that usual. It doesn't matter anyway, because where they go on to make more money is in upgrades. I have several bits of software that I keep up on the upgrades. The developers may well have made five times the original amount from me. So, in the Mac App Store there will be lots of winners. All the current publishers could sell a lot more copies of their apps by lowering the price as much as is viable, and later they will make money off those buyers when the upgrades come out (I don't think upgrades will be expected to be free like they are with iOS apps). Then there is all of us, people who might not be able to convince a publisher to carry such a niche application. We'll be able to submit applications, and some of those might be as big a hit as Plexxr, for example. If I took a guess, I'd say that Mac Apps will be typically $9.95. That's not quite as impulse purchase encouraging as $0.99 or $1.99 is, but it's still is a reasonable figure. I dare say there will be tie-ins too, where you create a desktop app that works along with a mobile part. Then you make $10 for one and $2 for the other. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/23/2010 07:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. Take a good look long at OS X 10.7's Launch Pad and consider the implications. Once independent web distribution means a 30% loss to Apple, it would be a slap in the face to their shareholders if Apple didn't do everything possible to communicate to their audience that App Store apps are the only cool ones, the only convenient ones, the only safe ones; ultimately, the only desirable ones. While it may seem comical today, this dialog box may not be completely unimaginable a year or two from now: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 As a developer that's frightening, but as a shareholder I would expect nothing less. Your reasoning is clear; if Computers and Software are regarded as Business one thing, if they are regarded as Educational Tools another thing. But, all rather difficult to have both as they do seem to be becoming, increasingly, mutually exclusive. I am just in the process of moving my EFL school from 1 room to 3 bigger ones; 2 classrooms and a free space where kids can hang around and do their homework, eat their sandwiches, talk about the price of fish, or whatever, between their English classes and when they go down the road to their regular school. As a business friend remarked; That's bad business; you could have another classroom there with another teacher. To which my reply was; Sorry, I'm not made like that. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. I think as a quarter-by-quarter plan, it is brilliant. But my limited experience tells me that there is a tendency in our industry for new or old parties to come up with game changers that shift the balance of power (or balance of market share). I am certain that the gnomes of Apple have mapped out every possible revenue stream that is associated with Apple related products or spheres of influence, and after moving to own the ones that are critical to quarter-to-quarter share value, they have moved, step by step, to own and control the others. That's what Thoughts on Flash was all about. As Apple gains control of these areas, third parties either reconfigure or abandon the platform. The borders expand as previous partners either are absorbed or give way to an Apple offering. But then, when one of those game changers comes along, Apple is at both its strongest and weakest. I am not discounting their consumer focus, which is brilliant. The success in those markets was achieved through making compeling products AND taking ownership of the customer relationship by opening Apple Stores, launching the online Apple store that matches any source in terms of price. For Apple, ownership of the customer relationship is of critical importance - but if you play in the Mac App Store, that's exactly what you are giving up to them. Begin theme music from The Lord of the Rings :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay, I get it you're a big Apple fan. Good for you. I'm curious, do you make a living writing and selling Mac software, or just investing in Apple stock and watching it rise? Perhaps it might help looking at things from a developer's point of view. Do you think it fair Apple exchanges a 70% royalty check for taking your customers-- forcing you to use THEIR license and copy protection scheme? What if someone hacks the DRM (and you know they will)-- how fast do you think Apple will act then? What if you release something which is not right, and you want to instantly update it, but you can't because Apple requires update submissions to go through a grueling submission process which takes days, instead of seconds like we are used to? Furthermore, what if Apple could, on a whim, kill your whole AppStore business down the road because they didn't like your new interface? Then, you have to ghetto-market your new product without even knowing who your previous customers were. I suspect my own product, ButtonGadget would be banned from the store because it has a non standard interface. And you would surely reply with a grin, nothing keeps you from marketing it yourself. Tell that to the thousands of family run storefronts obliterated when a WalMart moves into a small town. There is no way a small developer can compete, except in the ghetto. I guarantee one thing. There will be huge downward price pressure on apps. Apple has even said how they will take longer to evaluate a submission the more expensive it is. I remember when people said apps for iPad would be significantly more expensive than for iPhone. They were wrong, too. Most still wince at paying over 4 bucks an app. While many of you really believe this is better for the customer, I believe it is worse. There are a number of beta and not yet finished apps which will be banned as well. And lots of small developers, including yours truly, will just abandon the Mac altogether, because the threshold for putting up with Apple is just too high. And once developers figure out how few Macs are actually out there (not like the number of iPhones), and how little money they make at 70% of a buck ninety-nine, they will be forced to look at other platforms to develop for. I'm tired of Steve making decisions in the best interest of me. I still wish I could run flash video on my iPad, and I seriously wouldn't mind the occasional crash. Heck, the browser I use crashes every 15 minutes anyway. On Saturday, October 23, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else-- by far. Just look at how weak the competition is in consumer computing. Couple of years ago Microsoft acquired Danger and the Sidekick platform. They work embellishing it for two years, then admist moderate hoopla, they release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. No, as long a Balmer's at the helm, MS will NEVER be able to compete in the consumer arena outside of Windows and Office. Period. Peter will be angry because soon it will be called the Balmer principle. And Google is like your idiot uncle who just happened to strike oil while planting a Mary Jane garden out back. Uncle Google is so very rich and throws money at anything and everything (except when it comes to paying taxes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html ). Google's not interested in charging consumers for anything, because if it's free, they don't have to support it. They've changed Google DOCS, actually REMOVING features so it's no longer compatible with earlier vesions without so much as a single focus group. And speaking of Google Docs, you still can't edit them on an Android, which has been out for THREE YEARS. I guess working on web apps does take longer. And the Android platform is another 'stellar' product not yet ready for tablets by their own admission. I guess Apple snuck up on Google with the iPad. Maybe Google should get their own RSS feed of Engadget, or Gizmodo. The thought of a Google store scares Shcmidt probably about as much as the tax man does right about now. They haven't had a significant upgrade to Gmail, or SketchUp or any of their products in so long (other than the downgrade on GDocs), it's scary. Nope, Google is a bunch of rich kids playing with toys, trying to invent crap *like Wave* and hoping it catches on so they can sell more ads. HP and others are starting to finally understand, Google won't help them compete against the careful and well thought strategies from Stevie and Apple. Steve's presentation last week was a marvel to behold. Each time he reveals only a bit more of the master plan to control the universe, which is looking more and more like it can't fail. Especially with the willing fans Apple has. The single flaw in the strategy is Steve's own mortality. Furthermore, does anyone really see a threat of a MS AppStore or a Google AppStore? Heck no-- because we all KNOW neither could ever pull it off. But Apple-- that's different. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/24/2010 12:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else-- by far. Just look at how weak the competition is in consumer computing. Couple of years ago Microsoft acquired Danger and the Sidekick platform. They work embellishing it for two years, then admist moderate hoopla, they release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. Umm . . . really; I thought that Microsoft were very good at that . . . take Windows for instance. No, as long a Balmer's at the helm, MS will NEVER be able to compete in the consumer arena outside of Windows and Office. Period. Peter will be angry because soon it will be called the Balmer principle. And Google is like your idiot uncle who just happened to strike oil while planting a Mary Jane garden out back. Uncle Google is so very rich and throws money at anything and everything (except when it comes to paying taxes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html ). Google's not interested in charging consumers for anything, because if it's free, they don't have to support it. They've changed Google DOCS, actually REMOVING features so it's no longer compatible with earlier vesions without so much as a single focus group. And speaking of Google Docs, you still can't edit them on an Android, which has been out for THREE YEARS. I guess working on web apps does take longer. And the Android platform is another 'stellar' product not yet ready for tablets by their own admission. I guess Apple snuck up on Google with the iPad. Maybe Google should get their own RSS feed of Engadget, or Gizmodo. The thought of a Google store scares Shcmidt probably about as much as the tax man does right about now. They haven't had a significant upgrade to Gmail, or SketchUp or any of their products in so long (other than the downgrade on GDocs), it's scary. Nope, Google is a bunch of rich kids playing with toys, trying to invent crap *like Wave* and hoping it catches on so they can sell more ads. HP and others are starting to finally understand, Google won't help them compete against the careful and well thought strategies from Stevie and Apple. Steve's presentation last week was a marvel to behold. Each time he reveals only a bit more of the master plan to control the universe, which is looking more and more like it can't fail. Especially with the willing fans Apple has. The single flaw in the strategy is Steve's own mortality. Furthermore, does anyone really see a threat of a MS AppStore or a Google AppStore? Heck no-- because we all KNOW neither could ever pull it off. But Apple-- that's different. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Kay C Lanlan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. Umm . . . really; I thought that Microsoft were very good at that . . . take Windows for instance. Everything exists on a timeline. If you recall, Windows started as basically a shell on top of (a) DOS, and the transition to Windows 95 was around the time that Apple was still in OS 7.x. MS and DOS (and later Windows) catered to business in a big way, and they had some good friends too that helped them, whereas it was less of a priority with Apple (and far more of a priority in the education market). For all its mistakes, MS has done a good job consistently supporting the corporate world. All companies have their share of blunders, some are just more fun to talk about than others. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Exactly. Sharepoint, .NET, SQLServer and other enterprise offerings are all fine products, offering fine value for corporate America and are well-supported. IMO, MS stubbed their toe on WindowsME and Vista. The others were actually pretty good. In fact, I really like Win7. The same version of altBrowser that ran on the first versions of Win2000 still ran years later on Windows 7. Certainly the same can't be said for OSX. But anything they've done in Smartphones or other 'consumer like' products like set top boxes (remember WebTV?), they haven't done as well. The single exception in XBox360-- and to this day I still don't understand how that one succeeded. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: For all its mistakes, MS has done a good job consistently supporting the corporate world. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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But anything they've done in Smartphones or other 'consumer like' products like set top boxes (remember WebTV?), they haven't done as well. The single exception in XBox360-- and to this day I still don't understand how that one succeeded. Xbox / Xbox 360 have been much easier to develop for (in terms of both the actual development and the business side) than Nintendo or PlayStation. XNA lets you pretty much develop your PC and Xbox games using the same source code. My understanding is that the same code is portable to Zune (and I believe Windows 7 Phone). Xbox Live is also an easy to use system for downloading games, playing multi-player games, etc. Historically, when Sony shipped the Playstation it was easier to develop for than Nintendo and Segas offerings, but Xbox development is pretty much like developing for Windows. Xbox has done really well in the Americas and Europe, but its had a very rough time in Asia. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes, Richard's post is spot on. They have a track record, and this is how it will start. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3006723.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/22/2010 12:58 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims It certainly would be the solution for programmers who are not prepared to jump from Mac and Win to 'the dark side' of Linux - and why people seem so frightened escapes me; but it does seem to be the case. So; the next question we have to start asking is about the web-plugin, how functional it is on what platforms and in which browsers. And . . . for real 'agnosticism' the plugin might have to cease being PC-based and delivered in some other way . . . i.e.: all browsers on all operating systems. it certainly isn't 'agnostic' enough for DOS, RISC OS, MorphOS or Haiku . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I'm currently working on a project and now thinking of using the old CGI rev engine, not the plugin. You can do a lot with the CGI engine - even more if you throw a connecting standalone into the mix. I was going to use a different setup but all seems clearer now. sims On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/22/2010 12:58 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims It certainly would be the solution for programmers who are not prepared to jump from Mac and Win to 'the dark side' of Linux - and why people seem so frightened escapes me; but it does seem to be the case. So; the next question we have to start asking is about the web-plugin, how functional it is on what platforms and in which browsers. And . . . for real 'agnosticism' the plugin might have to cease being PC-based and delivered in some other way . . . i.e.: all browsers on all operating systems. it certainly isn't 'agnostic' enough for DOS, RISC OS, MorphOS or Haiku . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 22 oct. 2010 à 00:06, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill -googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not like google. However, his perspective is intellectually stimulating (well, at least for me) Best François Yes, very interesting. At Paradigma, this is often a topic of conversation because Sun's business is a trio of technologies: - Solaris Just a slow Unix - Java Just a slow and low-suited tech paradigm - MySQL Just an non ACID-Complient RDBMS system My understanding is that Oracle has made very serious investments in Java based tools and Linux. They definitely do have some plans for Solaris - even as they've shut down any work on Open Solaris - but I think both that and MySQL are not the reason why Oracle purchased Sun. Oracle has a real enemy in IBM, and IBM was also making offers on Sun. If IBM got ahold of Java, they could make Oracle really suffer. Seems a realistic tough ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Best regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 22 oct. 2010 à 01:10, Chipp Walters a écrit : Nice article, Lynn. One thing it made me think of, is the incredible role the Internet has played in software business development models. Previous to the Internet, the software Kingmakers consisted primarily of the MacWorlds, MacUsers, etc. and companies with deep enough pockets to advertise with them, and they together controlled the public perception of what software was good to buy. Then the Internet came and almost immediately allowed for the small, single-man developer to access thousands of independent minded customers by simply putting a page on the web. Once they sold a few copies, they were able to build a bit larger company and start to focus directly on new features and products through customer feedback. This same channel became their target market, and it succeeded mostly due to the immediate nature of direct marketing. Heck, I first purchased TechSmith's SnagIt years ago, then Camtasia soon after it launched. I now get an email every so often with an upgrade discount offer I can't resist. They receive 100% of the revenue, all for the cost of a single email. This won't happen anymore with the new AppStore. I don't suspect any of these developers will be happy UNLESS they can continue selling their products through traditional channels AS WELL as the Mac AppStore-- AND receive the customer registration information from the AppStore when a sale is made. I'll be surprised if Apple allows for both of these things to happen. I believe Apple is trying an end run stategy to bypass the Internet, and become the new Kingmaker of software, much like they've been able to do with the music industry. I suspect if you could turn back the clocks, many music execs would've acted much different before it all started to go Apple's way. So, if you suspect that Apple won't be successful in this way, i just agree. Thanks to the forecoming Cloud way to go ;-) If you want a laugh, check out Richard's recent blog post over at LiveCodeJournal.com: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: The Mac App Store is a dangerous unknown. Apple doesn't have to rush eliminate other alternatives, but instead let the weight of presence in the OS and the direction of user opinion (like we saw with the Thoughts on Flash debaucle) move it step by step to an exclusive model and ownership of your customer relations. Maybe that's not the goal, but the Mac App Store is just the sort of tool you could use to accomplish that. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sems me that this will stay the way to go as long as the password protected stack's library support will not be added to the LiveCode cgi-based application's server engine :-/ Would be great to get this feature added to the server engine as soon as possible. A timeline info would greatly help me as i'm just thinking to convert an important project from .rev to the old CGI way to become able to publish the app without having to let anyone access to the .irev libs contents. Kind Regards, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 12:48, Jim Sims a écrit : I'm currently working on a project and now thinking of using the old CGI rev engine, not the plugin. You can do a lot with the CGI engine - even more if you throw a connecting standalone into the mix. I was going to use a different setup but all seems clearer now. sims On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/22/2010 12:58 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims It certainly would be the solution for programmers who are not prepared to jump from Mac and Win to 'the dark side' of Linux - and why people seem so frightened escapes me; but it does seem to be the case. So; the next question we have to start asking is about the web-plugin, how functional it is on what platforms and in which browsers. And . . . for real 'agnosticism' the plugin might have to cease being PC-based and delivered in some other way . . . i.e.: all browsers on all operating systems. it certainly isn't 'agnostic' enough for DOS, RISC OS, MorphOS or Haiku . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yep. Thanks François Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:15, François Chaplais a écrit : A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not like google. However, his perspective is intellectually stimulating (well, at least for me) Best François Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:05, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products. I suspect this is another tremor caused in part by a change in ownership of Java. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Scott, Congratulations on making to the new and noteworthy pane on the AppStore!!! Just a few reviews and there you are. I can not imagine any other way to get that kind of exposure that quickly. And to think this could happen for desktop apps still seems a good thing to me. It levels the playing field for some. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: For myself, I'm not sure enough details are available to really know whether this is a good thing or not. I would agree that first impression seems kind of questionable. Apple controlling everything seems undesirable. On the other hand, my little iPad game is currently being featured under the New and Noteworthy section of the Games section in the App Store. I'm torn: do I cheer Apple on or throw tomatoes at them? :-) (Thanks again to everyone for their support -- very much appreciated.) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Nice article, Lynn. Thanks Chipp! Heck, I first purchased TechSmith's SnagIt years ago, then Camtasia soon after it launched. I now get an email every so often with an upgrade discount offer I can't resist. They receive 100% of the revenue, all for the cost of a single email. This won't happen anymore with the new AppStore. Absolutely - and this is under the guise of the new venue being more trusted. That's a card that brokerages play often (as we both know from elsewhere ;-)). I don't suspect any of these developers will be happy UNLESS they can continue selling their products through traditional channels AS WELL as the Mac AppStore-- AND receive the customer registration information from the AppStore when a sale is made. I'll be surprised if Apple allows for both of these things to happen. Right! I don't think at any point they will give you access to user registration data, and simply claim it's a matter of their privacy policy. It is the same with several publishers out there Ive worked with. I believe Apple is trying an end run stategy to bypass the Internet, and become the new Kingmaker of software, much like they've been able to do with the music industry. I suspect if you could turn back the clocks, many music execs would've acted much different before it all started to go Apple's way. No matter what claims come from Apple as to intent, this is exactly the strategy to take if tht is their intent. Admitting it would certainly cause great harm to Apple, so we will never know until it either happens or not. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Lynn, Saw an interesting post over at Gizmodo today. http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?skyline=trues=i One of the more interesting comments is so appropriately true: The argument that the app store doesn't bar outside installations is bogus. It's like making the free market argument for walmart. Having a walmart in the center of your town and expecting competition to thrive is not a very smart bet. It's like saying that It would be a shame if you lost those kneecaps is a compassionate statement. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I think this article says it really well. http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ what_the_pundits_are_getting_wrong_about_the_new_macbook_air/ The MacBook Air is indeed Apple’s answer to the netbook. (One of them, anyway — more on that later.) But the answer they’ve given is “you’re doing it wrong.” Those who think Apple simply released their version of the product they’ve been deriding just aren’t paying attention. The entire article is pretty good and a better interpretation. Bill Vlahos On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, Netbooks aren't better than anything, they're just cheap laptops and yesterday he announces Apple's first netbook. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bill, That article is at mac observer-- so I'm thinking it could be a bit biased? But, you are correct on a couple points. Netbooks are typically up to 1/8 the cost of the new MacBooks, and they have more USB and other external ports. Even so, my original point was you really can't believe anything Stevie says. For instance, he has previously confirmed there would not be a Mac AppStore-- now there is one. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: I think this article says it really well. http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/what_the_pundits_are_getting_wrong_about_the_new_macbook_air/ The MacBook Air is indeed Apple’s answer to the netbook. (One of them, anyway — more on that later.) But the answer they’ve given is “you’re doing it wrong.” Those who think Apple simply released their version of the product they’ve been deriding just aren’t paying attention. The entire article is pretty good and a better interpretation. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The personal thing is do we want to do what we want with the devices we have bought, or do we want the people who sold them to us to tell us what we can do. The social thing is, the PC/Smartphone/tabet is moving to becoming the main vehicle by which people get access to content - books, press, etc. The borders between what is an app and what is content are blurring, and increasingly control of the app is a way of controlling the content that app gets for the user. We have to decide whether we want this access to be controlled by corporations, or if we want it to be open. So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. Its what the effect on society will be if that model is generally adopted. By, for instance, the main on-line bookseller, in an era when e-books are the only way to get lots of titles. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3005128.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From a posting on my company blog. Some points made with help and ideas from this list. Thanks to you all. --- Apple really is a remarkable company. Without a doubt, they provide flagship innovation and thought leadership for the rest of the industry and the world (Google, are you listening?). This was again demonstrated yesterday in their very cogent and finely tuned presentation of their new best of breed MacBooks. Lost among the hoopla of the new sleek laptops, and preview of new Apple apps and OSX Lion are a couple announcements which maybe larger issues than first they seem. The more obvious of the two is the announcement of the new Mac AppStore, where customers will be able to purchase Mac desktop apps directly from Apple. I actually predicted this earlier this year on a forum, which when you stop and think, it's no big deal as this is pretty much a no-brainer marketing decision by Apple. On first look, this would seem a natural extension to the iOS AppStore which has been hugely successful-- specifically for Apple. On closer examination, many customers are non-plussed regarding the iPhone app store, with it's lack of features, focussing only on the top selling few apps-- even though Apple claims hundreds and hundreds of thousands of apps available. One problem, just try finding a specific app. There's no keyword indexing in the AppStore, so unless you know the name of the app you want to buy, you're sadly out of luck. The proverbial needle app in the haystore. The Mac AppStore and it's inevitable downward price pressure along with Apple's 30% split spells problems for developers, especially considering Apple has only 20% marketshare in the US, even less in the world. This is certainly not like the iPhone, where Apple is the big gorilla and there is a captive audience. Furthermore, developers like myself are used to creating apps which can be updated quickly and on OUR schedule, not Apple's. Not to mention Mac AppStore developers will have to use Apple's licensing and copy protection schemes. Ugh. Oh, and did I mention you also have to pay Apple a developer fee? So, they can sell YOUR software? Sheesh. Also of issue is the simple fact Apple has a history of changing once, then twice, then anytime they like, their own licensing and submission policies. So, a developer may find an app they have been working on and updating for years is no longer allowed, because it conflicts with some new licensing policy just announced. Or even worse, you're declined for conflicting with a not yet announced Apple software product, or not using the right compiler, or you have the wrong politics. Sadly, it all HAS happened before. Also I've read Apple will provide the terms under which you can talk about the features of your application, only just don't mention it will run on other OS'es. And speaking of talking about the Mac AppStore, if you're a developer you can't. The NDA prohibits talking to anyone about it. Draconian? You decide. Of course the counterpoint to all of this is you don't have to sell through the Mac AppStore. At least not for now. But, I would ask how long before you'll have to jailbreak your own Mac to run third party apps? Don't laugh. No one was laughing when in one fell swoop this past summer Apple wiped out thousands of developers and their chosen tools with a single paragraph change in their license. The Mac AppStore is Step One. Just like hardware and software, the policies are migrating from Mac to iPhone to iPad and now back to Mac. Steve actually drew it up just that way during the presentation. The theme was Back to the Mac. And now for the second issue, the lack of a FaceTime app for PC's. So, in case you don't know, Apple created this very cool futuristic Dick Tracy application called FaceTime, and it allows those with an iPhone 4 to be able to video chat with each other, as long as they are on a WiFi network. This is cool. Earlier today, Apple announced FaceTime for Mac. But not for PC. I'm wondering about the implied message here? My take is Apple is creating a strong case Mac users should buy iPhones and video chat with them, but if you're a PC user, your options are limited. Perhaps people will start to associate iPhones only for Mac users, which surely is detrimental to Apple and leaves the door wide open for Android and others. Of course this assumes Google could one day get their act enough together to actually compete technology-wise with Apple. Perhaps a pipe dream. Just like an Android iPad killer, I'll believe it when I see it. Congrats to Apple on another superbly crafted and slick presentation. Lots of cools stuff. Thankfully I'm not wearing my Gruber Googles. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The personal thing is do we want to do what we want with the devices we have bought, or do we want the people who sold them to us to tell us what we can do. The social thing is, the PC/Smartphone/tabet is moving to becoming the main vehicle by which people get access to content - books, press, etc. The borders between what is an app and what is content are blurring, and increasingly control of the app is a way of controlling the content that app gets for the user. We have to decide whether we want this access to be controlled by corporations, or if we want it to be open. So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! I am inclined to belive that Jobs, while, possibly, suffering from some sort of megalomania, cannot believe that he has a sufficient brainwashed following to allow him to dictate terms to people who pay him. When it comes down to things, one has to keep the customer happy, unless, of course the cult of Macintosh is far more cult-like than we all realised. However, if you think I'm going to start peddling flowers in airports for Steve Jobs you have another thing coming: done that once, and once bitten, twice shy! Its what the effect on society will be if that model is generally adopted. By, for instance, the main on-line bookseller, in an era when e-books are the only way to get lots of titles. Well; as an ex-moonie once remarked to me; out in the real world there are plays to go to, films to watch, books to read, flowers to smell that don't require the imprimatur of Hoo Flung Dung. And, who, without being brainwashed is going to opt for a restricted view of things?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_To_Heaven Out in the Open Source Software world the likes of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can go and boil their heads. So; if I want to read an e-book I am, obviously (unless I am hypnotised), going to make sure I have some sort of machine to read the thing, and by 'thing', I mean ANY e-book I want to read, not only those Jobsy or Gatesy have decided is suitable for my tiny mind. [ Just the other day I found an illegal copy of 'Dr Zhivago' (in Russian) that had been smuggled out of the Soviet Union in 1978 by my late Father-in-law; he risked prison and beatings for that! ] Down the line . . . . . . This does mean that the RunRev / LiveCode people will have to stop looking at their Linux variant as the odd one out and start treating it equally to the Mac and Win variants; and, mayhap, in due course, put it in pole-position. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. We are just finalizing our iValentina for iPhone, which is going to be released for free. Our approach to iPhone has simply to be to give away a bit of software that doesn't directly touch on our profitability model but rather encourage users towards buying what we do sell. I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? If the answer is Apple does, but you don't, it is 100% contrary to where we've been going with software sales since the floppy days. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic Psychology at university too; several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to a Milgram device and do things for real . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/21/2010 07:16 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. We are just finalizing our iValentina for iPhone, which is going to be released for free. Our approach to iPhone has simply to be to give away a bit of software that doesn't directly touch on our profitability model but rather encourage users towards buying what we do sell. I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? If the answer is Apple does, but you don't, it is 100% contrary to where we've been going with software sales since the floppy days. yes; this is monkey business; if I have worked my bottom off on a piece of software I am hardly keen to allow somebody else either access to or ownership of my user database; as, certainly, they will be using that information for their own ends rather than mine. When my Devawriter Pro is, finally, released, you will have to come to me to get it, and I will keep your details close to my chest so that I can fool you into buying more of my stuff rather than letting Apple, Snapple or Frapple peddle their stuff to you. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Developers chime in on the implications of the Mac App Store: Paul Kafasis, CEO of Rogue Amoeba, a developer of Mac audio software, expressed some reservations about the terms. Thirty percent isn't particularly reasonable, but it's not unexpected either, he said in an e-mail. For access to almost 50 million Mac users, with just a couple clicks, it's at least in the ballpark. That said, with direct downloads, most developers pay 3-10% in credit card fees and processing. 30% is quite a bit more, and for what exactly? At the moment, Rogue Amoeba is waiting to see how the Mac App Store is received. It's certainly something we're looking at, but the restrictions and guidelines they've published are onerous at best, said Kafasis. Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, he said in an e-mail. However the restrictions imposed by Apple on the applications may make it impossible for a number of our applications to be submitted. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227900419 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Lynn Fredricks wrote: I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as far as I am concerned, there isn't much left. Apple is stepping in at the right time - for them. What concerns me most (in addition to not getting customer information!), is the consumer of apps/software will probably be expecting iPhone/iPad prices. When I read a comment that $1.99 is way too much for something some guy worked really hard at, I shake my head. This sort of expectation might be carried over - after all, to the consumer it's just like the iTunes store - to the App Store. You have to sell an awful lot of $1.99 apps to make rent money every month. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really where we think Apple is going to go? I rather see this as a way that developers will be able to deliver apps made for devices like the iPad to the desktop too. Not a way for Apple to try to force everyone to sell apps through the iStore, which of course everyone can see would kill Apple development of enterprise apps. Bob On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Lynn Fredricks wrote: I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently the Mac Dev Program now requires a fee like the iOS program, so you need to give them money in order to find out if it's worth giving them money. I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy: I wish I had what it takes to get people to pay me before they're able to find out whether they want to pay me. ;) Yes, indeed! Some rumor has been going around that apps cant support auto updating or serial key type licensing. Can't say. In order to download the document you have to agree to an NDA. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill myself. I imagine Gruber will get a free pass on discussing this as he has with other NDA'd things in the past, and apparently TUAW has risked posting some tidbits (thanks Scott) like this prohibition: - It require license keys or implements its own copy protection In that one line the cost of making apps for the App Store goes up for all multi-platform developers. Most of us have reg schemes that currently work on all platforms, but with the App Store, we'll need to have two different methods of product security: one just for Apple and another for the entire rest of the world. This prohibition is just weird: - It has metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform Are they that scared of Ubuntu? (Dear Steve: It's almost Halloween; U-Booh!-ntu!) :) Or are we not allowed to let our customers know that our app being cross-platform is a valuable feature for use in their workplace? What exactly constitutes metadata in that context? This one may require RunRev to step up their game on a few details (author's own comment included): - It changes the native user interface elements or behaviors of Mac OS X (Well, that just wiped out 90% of the best Mac apps in a single, flaming fist punch.) Yep. Looks like staying in the Mac game is about to get more expensive for everyone, from tool makers to developers and to some degree consumers as that 30% tax starts to get spread around. I feel bad for game developers; it's going to be hard for them to survive outside of the App Store once the momentum takes hold. Fortunately most of my clients are in markets too vertical for the App Store to make much of a difference, and our revenues tend to reflect general market share percentages anyway (m...@5.7%) so they can afford to put off those expenses for a while. Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price, running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no price at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial control about what you can and cannot do with the thing! Maybe. The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others portray a complexity in human nature that may be too multidimensional for such rational optimism. ;) Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic Psychology at university too; several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to a Milgram device and do things for real . . . :) A little-known factoid, even further off-topic: one of Milgram's youngest and most vulnerable undergraduate research subjects was extremely damaged by Milgram's emotionally abusive experiments. He grew up to become... ... the Unibomber. Karma. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham ppbrig...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
