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Last time the price tag I checked on these 2 idiots was 0/hour. Is this your personal playground to make fun of H1Bs or a struts list? Hey, do not hate the players. Hate the game. --- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell
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Applogies for being english or maybe just naive, but what the hell is a H1B? Daniel. -Original Message- From: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2005 07:40 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Last time the price tag I checked on these 2 idiots was 0/hour. Is this your personal playground to make fun of H1Bs or a struts list? Hey, do not hate the players. Hate the game. --- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional
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It's a type of temporary work visa in the US. http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm -Original Message- From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:33 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Applogies for being english or maybe just naive, but what the hell is a H1B? Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yan Hu, Take it down a notch amigo. If you hadn't noticed we were being playful. Maybe they don't have a since of humor in other countries ;-) -- please notice wink face so that you are not offended and under the assumption that i am serious. Brandon On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time the price tag I checked on these 2 idiots was 0/hour. Is this your personal playground to make fun of H1Bs or a struts list? Hey, do not hate the players. Hate the game. --- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law
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Mr Yan: For most of us here this is not a game but a livelihood If I go to China or India I understand that am a guest in that country and aware that I must not abuse and or break the laws of the country.. Remembering that it is against anti-discrimination law here to denigrate or vilify anyone according to ethnic and or racial heritage (even US Citizens).. Calling someone 'an idiot' based on ANY grouping criteria as you have here is clearly discriminatory In your case I would suggest that you are not Remembering that you are guests here of my country I am asking is that you and your fellow guests extend the SAME courtesy as I a US Citizen would extend if I was working in your country. That is to respect and obey ALL the laws of my country and that ALSO that your words and behaviour should extend respect to ALL of its citizens..Remember also that any US Citizen can file a complaint against any H1B with the INS so in your case I would caution you to be careful what you say from now on. I will tell you based on your comment that you have clearly stepped over the line of appropriateness and should not do so again I would also state your actions reflect that I consider you to be an extremely poor representative of your country and if you worked for me I would fire you on the spot..The last time I checked the INS is not in the business of supporting misbehaving and or inappropriate behaviour of H1Bs who are here as Guests of our country. Please refrain from using this list to promote and or make excuses for your clearly inappropriate behavior. Martin- - Original Message - From: Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Last time the price tag I checked on these 2 idiots was 0/hour. Is this your personal playground to make fun of H1Bs or a struts list? Hey, do not hate the players. Hate the game. --- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers
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What is an H-1B? The H-1B is a nonimmigrant classification used by an alien who will be employed temporarily in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability. Now, why doesn't it suprise me that the americans make a special case for a fashion model!!! Daniel. -Original Message- From: Scott Piker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2005 13:49 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] It's a type of temporary work visa in the US. http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm -Original Message- From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:33 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Applogies for being english or maybe just naive, but what the hell is a H1B? Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey, I had an H-1B when I first came to America. Does that mean I can be a fashion model? :-) On 7/8/05, Daniel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an H-1B? The H-1B is a nonimmigrant classification used by an alien who will be employed temporarily in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability. Now, why doesn't it suprise me that the americans make a special case for a fashion model!!! Daniel. -Original Message- From: Scott Piker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2005 13:49 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] It's a type of temporary work visa in the US. http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm -Original Message- From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:33 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Applogies for being english or maybe just naive, but what the hell is a H1B? Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.simonpeter.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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requires theoretical and practical application of a body of specialized knowledge along with at least a bachelors degree **or** fashion model of distinguished merit and ability Just think where you could get if you're a model with a degree! i love some of the obscure things in american laws/rules. (not that i'm saying british rules are any better) -Original Message- From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2005 14:20 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Hey, I had an H-1B when I first came to America. Does that mean I can be a fashion model? :-) On 7/8/05, Daniel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an H-1B? The H-1B is a nonimmigrant classification used by an alien who will be employed temporarily in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability. Now, why doesn't it suprise me that the americans make a special case for a fashion model!!! Daniel. -Original Message- From: Scott Piker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2005 13:49 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] It's a type of temporary work visa in the US. http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm -Original Message- From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:33 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Applogies for being english or maybe just naive, but what the hell is a H1B? Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.simonpeter.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mr Yan: For most of us here this is not a game but a livelihood If I go to China or India I understand that am a guest in that country and aware that I must not abuse and or break the laws of the country.. Calling someone that makes fun of others an idiot definately does not break any law in the US. Remembering that it is against anti-discrimination law here to denigrate or vilify anyone according to ethnic and or racial heritage (even US Citizens).. Calling someone 'an idiot' based on ANY grouping criteria as you have here is clearly discriminatory it is also against anti-discrimination law to make fun of minorities. Hahah, you are such a big idiot. Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. In your case I would suggest that you are not Remembering that you are guests here of my country I am asking is that you and your fellow guests extend the SAME courtesy as I a US Citizen would extend if I was working in your country. Haha again, I guess you would be a coward in a different country becuas you will NOT defend yourself when the natives make fun of you. And now you are an idiot + coward. I dispise you. That is to respect and obey ALL the laws of my country and that ALSO that your words and behaviour should extend respect to ALL of its citizens.. I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. Remember also that any US Citizen can file a complaint against any H1B with the INS so in your case I would caution you to be careful what you say from now on. I will tell you that you can do whatever you want. Just remember not to flinch in a different country becuase you will be victimized by idoits like yourself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personally, I try not to discriminate against idiots. I like to treat them all the same. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Mr Yan: For most of us here this is not a game but a livelihood If I go to China or India I understand that am a guest in that country and aware that I must not abuse and or break the laws of the country.. Calling someone that makes fun of others an idiot definately does not break any law in the US. Remembering that it is against anti-discrimination law here to denigrate or vilify anyone according to ethnic and or racial heritage (even US Citizens).. Calling someone 'an idiot' based on ANY grouping criteria as you have here is clearly discriminatory it is also against anti-discrimination law to make fun of minorities. Hahah, you are such a big idiot. Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. In your case I would suggest that you are not Remembering that you are guests here of my country I am asking is that you and your fellow guests extend the SAME courtesy as I a US Citizen would extend if I was working in your country. Haha again, I guess you would be a coward in a different country becuas you will NOT defend yourself when the natives make fun of you. And now you are an idiot + coward. I dispise you. That is to respect and obey ALL the laws of my country and that ALSO that your words and behaviour should extend respect to ALL of its citizens.. I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. Remember also that any US Citizen can file a complaint against any H1B with the INS so in your case I would caution you to be careful what you say from now on. I will tell you that you can do whatever you want. Just remember not to flinch in a different country becuase you will be victimized by idoits like yourself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yan Hu wrote the following on 7/8/2005 1:29 PM: I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. My mom can beat up your mom. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Yan Hu wrote the following on 7/8/2005 1:29 PM: I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. My mom can beat up your mom. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! Your dad beat up my mom! BTW, she wants a rematch. - Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yan Hu wrote the following on 7/8/2005 1:29 PM: I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. My mom can beat up your mom. -- Rick Do you have a Mom? Come on man.. Be strong. I understand how tought life can be without a Mom? But try to talk as if you had one... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Right click on the wsad app and select property. Take out everything after ...\wsappdev.exe. Thanks, Raj -Original Message- From: Andrew Tomaka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This email transmission and any accompanying attachments may contain CSX privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the intended addressee. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please immediately delete it and notify sender at the above CSX email address. Sender and CSX accept no liability for any damage caused directly or indirectly by receipt of this email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Sorry, wrong posting. Not intended for this group. Thanks, -Original Message- From: Goswami, Raj Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:33 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; 'Andrew Tomaka' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Right click on the wsad app and select property. Take out everything after ...\wsappdev.exe. Thanks, Raj -Original Message- From: Andrew Tomaka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This email transmission and any accompanying attachments may contain CSX privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the intended addressee. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please immediately delete it and notify sender at the above CSX email address. Sender and CSX accept no liability for any damage caused directly or indirectly by receipt of this email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Andrew Tomaka wrote the following on 7/8/2005 2:29 PM: When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. I'm guilty of this also.. so I apologize for contributing to the downhill discussion. Fortunately most users are still pretty helpful and still manage to help out the people asking questions that get stuck between a million OT posts:) As annoying/amusing(?:) many of the OT posts are on this list, I still find more helpful people on this list than many of the lists I've been on. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Andrew Tomaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
And so, the circle is complete. :) - Dennis James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/08/2005 04:43 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org To Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org, Andrew Tomaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Andrew Tomaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
On 7/8/05, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. And perhaps its time to reign in the freedom to cut up a little on Fridays. With freedom comes responsibility, and there's been way too many abuses of that freedom lately (including this thread). If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. Note that filtering is not a complete answer. Consider a scenario where you are subscribed to a list like this from your company email address, where you have (explicitly or implicitly) agreed to whatever terms of use your company's IT department imposes on you. In more than a few companies, incoming email messages are scanned for inappropriate content -- and you could be violating the policies even if you have a personal filter set up so that *you* don't have to read the messages. But I didn't read it isn't going to be a very useful defense -- any more than if your mom caught you reading Playboy when growing up, and you tried but I didn't look at the pictures, I was only reading the articles! I'd like to point you at a blog written recently by an industry colleague, who has been observing what's going on here: http://www.groundside.com/blog/content/DuncanMills/J2EE%20Development/2005/07/08/Respect.html Even though Duncan works for a company that competes with my employer, and builds a tool that is competitive with the one I work on, I still consider him a friend, like many things about his product, and collaborate with him where possible to improve the overall state of the industry. I wholeheartedly subscribe to his comments about respect, and would like to see a return to the way that the Struts user list worked (nearly all of the time) until fairly recently -- where respect was the norm. Today it is not ... and even in jest many of the comments are innappropriate and embarrasing (to the rest of the community, for having to be associated with it). If you're only here for the Friday [OT] humor, then I suggest you find a different place to cut loose. The purpose of this list is to answer user questions about Struts and all its related technologies -- and you'll sure like how you look on a Google search ten years from now for your name if you've posted like a mature adult instead of an immature 8-year-old. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Yan Hu is our new troll! I wonder if Yan Hu is some kind of ancient code for Mark Galbreath :D Mark is that you? On 7/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And so, the circle is complete. :) - Dennis James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/08/2005 04:43 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org To Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org, Andrew Tomaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Andrew Tomaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] I was trying to avoid jumping in here, but I couldn't hold out. How about we all grow up and act like adults? Never in my life have I seen such a childish display. I think Rick's My mom can beat up your mom. made the same point I'm making here. And Yan, you may have given it a hahaha +1, but that was directed at you just as much as it was directed at anyone else. This is supposed to be a list of professionals. We are all here trying to help one another through our Struts issues. I fail to see how making fun of some for using or not using an IDE or discussing anti-discrimination laws or most everything that has been written in the last two weeks applies to the goals of this list. And I certainly don't see how saying things like Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. helps anyone in anyway. When I joined the Struts list in May, it was an invaluable resource. I was able to quickly learn the framework through the questions others were asking. But in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. Why don't we get back to the reason this list exists and the purpose of Sturts: making our lives easier. ~ Andrew Tomaka On 7/8/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
There are people who are taking things way too serious around here. They fall into two groups. #1 The easily offended #2 The lude and discourteous. What is funny is often they are one and the same. My comments have been very light hearted and not intended to offend. If folks take the lighter comments to heart then they need to relax. If you have people who are being clearly lude, then we should ignore them (advice i need to take). At the same time, what community doesn't have light hearted jest. To take offense at silly jokes about H1Bs or to go off in a serious rage on an H1B is silly. Both sides need to take a breath. People, please, lighten up, lose the profane language and serious hateful attitudes. We are all here to participate in the Struts community. That doesn't mean we have to be stuffy. But, it does mean that we should have an edge of courtesy. For now I'll refrain from engaging in any off-topic discussions. I hope that people can take it down a notch and relax, then, maybe, we can learn struts, have some fun and still be a friendly community. Brandon On 7/8/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/05, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. And perhaps its time to reign in the freedom to cut up a little on Fridays. With freedom comes responsibility, and there's been way too many abuses of that freedom lately (including this thread). If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. Note that filtering is not a complete answer. Consider a scenario where you are subscribed to a list like this from your company email address, where you have (explicitly or implicitly) agreed to whatever terms of use your company's IT department imposes on you. In more than a few companies, incoming email messages are scanned for inappropriate content -- and you could be violating the policies even if you have a personal filter set up so that *you* don't have to read the messages. But I didn't read it isn't going to be a very useful defense -- any more than if your mom caught you reading Playboy when growing up, and you tried but I didn't look at the pictures, I was only reading the articles! I'd like to point you at a blog written recently by an industry colleague, who has been observing what's going on here: http://www.groundside.com/blog/content/DuncanMills/J2EE%20Development/2005/07/08/Respect.html Even though Duncan works for a company that competes with my employer, and builds a tool that is competitive with the one I work on, I still consider him a friend, like many things about his product, and collaborate with him where possible to improve the overall state of the industry. I wholeheartedly subscribe to his comments about respect, and would like to see a return to the way that the Struts user list worked (nearly all of the time) until fairly recently -- where respect was the norm. Today it is not ... and even in jest many of the comments are innappropriate and embarrasing (to the rest of the community, for having to be associated with it). If you're only here for the Friday [OT] humor, then I suggest you find a different place to cut loose. The purpose of this list is to answer user questions about Struts and all its related technologies -- and you'll sure like how you look on a Google search ten years from now for your name if you've posted like a mature adult instead of an immature 8-year-old. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Andrew Tomaka wrote the following on 7/8/2005 2:29 PM: in the past few weeks, it's all gone downhill. A good percentage of threads are now off-topic; not off topic like discussing the pros and cons of using an IDE, but off topic like what an H1B is and personal thoughts on outsourcing. I'm guilty of this also.. so I apologize for contributing to the downhill discussion. +1. Let's all cut it out. Don't feed a pest. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
I agree with Craig here... He is quiet right about the mailing problem... I had been using my company id and have been told by them to unsubscribe from the due to the volume of messages coming in. Despite the volume if the mails had something to defend I could've done it. But the never ending flow of OTs like these which are of no use to anyone is not quiet the way anyone would like! Friday of the week is over... At least from this point on let us cut this off. Regards, Nitesh _ Disclaimer: Information contained and transmitted by this e-mail is confidential, proprietary, and legally privileged data of Cordiant Technologies that is intended for use only by the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and you are requested to delete this e-mail immediately and notify the originator. Any views expressed by an individual do not necessarily reflect the view of Cordiant Technologies. The recipient should scan this email and any attachments for viruses as Cordiant Technologies is not liable for the presence of viruses in this email. Cordiant Technologies does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as the internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, error or virus-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete. To know more about Cordiant Technologies, please visit http://www.cordiant.com _ -Original Message- From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:04 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On 7/8/05, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, you must be new here. See, on Fridays (usually), we like to cut up and have a little fun. I think I've donated enough blood on this list to deserve a break every now and then. And perhaps its time to reign in the freedom to cut up a little on Fridays. With freedom comes responsibility, and there's been way too many abuses of that freedom lately (including this thread). If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them. Every decent mail client will allow you to do that. Note that filtering is not a complete answer. Consider a scenario where you are subscribed to a list like this from your company email address, where you have (explicitly or implicitly) agreed to whatever terms of use your company's IT department imposes on you. In more than a few companies, incoming email messages are scanned for inappropriate content -- and you could be violating the policies even if you have a personal filter set up so that *you* don't have to read the messages. But I didn't read it isn't going to be a very useful defense -- any more than if your mom caught you reading Playboy when growing up, and you tried but I didn't look at the pictures, I was only reading the articles! I'd like to point you at a blog written recently by an industry colleague, who has been observing what's going on here: http://www.groundside.com/blog/content/DuncanMills/J2EE%20Development/2005/0 7/08/Respect.html Even though Duncan works for a company that competes with my employer, and builds a tool that is competitive with the one I work on, I still consider him a friend, like many things about his product, and collaborate with him where possible to improve the overall state of the industry. I wholeheartedly subscribe to his comments about respect, and would like to see a return to the way that the Struts user list worked (nearly all of the time) until fairly recently -- where respect was the norm. Today it is not ... and even in jest many of the comments are innappropriate and embarrasing (to the rest of the community, for having to be associated with it). If you're only here for the Friday [OT] humor, then I suggest you find a different place to cut loose. The purpose of this list is to answer user questions about Struts and all its related technologies -- and you'll sure like how you look on a Google search ten years from now for your name if you've posted like a mature adult instead of an immature 8-year-old. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Good Morning Brian: In a global economy keep in mind that a business can locate anywhere.. Tying up resources in a situation such as what you described could be interpreted (in a rather loose sense) as 'anti-business' and *might* force the company to look at other locations which provide more 'business-friendly' environments. Please feel free to contact me offline as this topic can be easily construed as 'O/T'. Best, M- - Original Message - From: Brian Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Actually, in the US we have laws against age discrimination or discrimination based on race, religion, creed or nationality. These are termed protected groups under US labor law. If you were fired for one of these reasons, gather up some evidence and sue your way to wealth in the civil courts. BAL From: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:14:51 -0400 Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my
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Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other
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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other than business communication, and whoever deliberately chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge. -- Christian. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A Christian named Christian... that's original :) On 7/6/05, Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other than business communication, and whoever deliberately chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge. -- Christian. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other than business communication, and whoever deliberately chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge. -- Christian. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other than business communication, and whoever deliberately chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge. -- Christian. - To unsubscribe, e-mail
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Actually, in the US we have laws against age discrimination or discrimination based on race, religion, creed or nationality. These are termed protected groups under US labor law. If you were fired for one of these reasons, gather up some evidence and sue your way to wealth in the civil courts. BAL From: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:14:51 -0400 Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never would use a company e-mail address for anything other than business communication, and whoever deliberately chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge
