[libreoffice-users] list boxes not stable

[Tom Cloyd]

My list box disaster just don't quit.

To this point, I've learned that the only quick, simple way to get a 
list box onto a form is to use the list box wizard. Last night it 
worked. Tonight it worked. Then, it stopped.


I now have a form with 5 list boxes.  Three have spontaneously, quite 
without reason, disabled themselves. They passively display the value in 
their source table pointed to by the key value in the linked main table 
fie.d. BUT, the display is now a ghostly gray. I have had to change the 
background color just to see it at all. They also no longer are a part 
of the tab order and you cannot click into them at all. Also, the drop 
down no longer works at all. It is now just a data display field, not a 
list box. Worthless. I have poured over their properties for over an 
hour, trying to find the problem. No luck.


Another formerly working list box appears still to work, but will not 
update the main record field to which it is linked (this is the problem 
I was having last night, before I started using only the wizard to make 
list boxes).


Finally, I find that I can no longer CREATE functioning list boxes, 
using the wizard, which puts me out of the list box business altogether.


I just rebooted, hoping it might help, but it didn't (small chance!).

You can download this troubled database for examination HERE 
. Look at the 
"storage containers > items" form.


You'll see that my subform is working fine, The three brown-background 
list boxes are now duds. The "quadrant" list box appears to work but 
actually does nothing to the main table. The "macro-container" list box 
is recently created, and does exactly what the brown boxes do: nothing.


Any ideas, anyone?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[Asterix]

krackedpress wrote:
> 
> On 06/21/2011 03:22 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 06/21/2011 12:15 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 06/21/2011 12:01 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> ...
 Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just
 fine
 &  do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
 install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
 opposite of what Asterix is seeing&  he installed from the .debs as
 well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
 difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).
>>> ...
>>> Follow-up to my own:
>>> Thesaurus _is_ in LO 3.4.1rc1 that I just installed on WinXP.
>> And on another WinXP virtual machine:
>> LibreOffice 3.4.0
>> OOO340m1 (Build:12)
>> Also includes the thesaurus. So I must have done a non standard install
>> on the other WinXP. I'd quietly jump back into my box now... sorry for
>> the noise.
> Yes, I see the OOo Thesaurus listed on my Ubuntu version for the LO site 
> .debs.
> 
> OK I just checked 3.3.3 on my Vista laptop.  It also had the thesaurus 
> under Tools>Language.
> 
> For both systems, I went from 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 and never installed 3.4.0 
> or OOo after the computer was wiped and the OS was reinstalled.  So I 
> have in on Windows, but the other person does not.
> 
> I do know that on my Ubuntu system I have
> 
> English spelling and hyphenation dictionary, and thesaurus dated
> 2010.03-16
> Australian . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
> . . . . dated 2008.12.15
> Canadian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
> . . . showing version 2.0.0
> 
> plus a few other English [several countries] dictionaries and lists 
> [names, chemistry, medical, etc.] that have no thesaurus included.
> I do not know if any of the three thesaurus listings have the OOo 
> Thesaurus as part of it, but one of them, or all three could.
> 
> I also have;
> Language Tool 1.2 [1.3 crashes],
> Lightproof (en_US) 0.1 [this grammar checker will not stay checked],
> Linguist 1.5,
> Pagination 1.3.10,
> Writer's Extras,
> and Writer's Tools,
> among other extensions I have added to my Ubuntu version. I have at 
> least 100 .oxt extension [other than dictionaries] in my private list on 
> my desktop's drive but I do not really know any more I should include 
> for writing aids.
> 
> I would love to have one that would check the text and for the words 
> that have several spelling [Aunt, ant, too, to, two, etc.] the system 
> would let me know and ask which one I really meant to use.
> 
> Also it would be wonderful to have the spelling word option list add a 
> very brief dictionary/thesaurus description to the words listed so you 
> could make the right choice for words you are not sure which option is 
> the correct one you need.
> 
> I wish the thesaurus was not buried several menus deep and have a 
> toolbar button like the spellchecker does.  It would be more convenient 
> to use that way.
> 
> [Was "convenient" the right word I wanted from the list offered in 
> Thunderbird's spell checking system?  I had to enter it into LO and use 
> its thesaurus option to see it meant "handy" so it was the right word.  
> Be nice not to need the extra thesaurus lookup to find out.]
> 
> I also had problems with Language tool. However Language tool 1.3 seems to
> work fine in the 3.3.3 version in Ubuntu. In the windows version of 3.3.3
> language tool is included in the exe file. So they probably made changes
> to LO to allow language tool to work better.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[Asterix]

From: NoOp 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org

Hi :)
It does seem that something strange is going on.  Even tho it's rare it's
still 
a worry.  At the moment it seems that the dictionary just magically vanishes
for 
no reason on some machines!  That really can't be the case so i was hoping
that 
you were onto something there.  

Regards from
Tom :)

Hallo

In all the different Linux distro's I installed none seems to support the
synonym function. I initially though it is not enabled in the Linux version.
So is it the tesaurus that is sometimes not installed on Linux? In windows
all the versions on Libreoffice including the release canditates supported
the synonym function on my WinXP and Win 7


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Asterix  wrote:
> I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
> 10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
> to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
> synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
> English Uk synonym and grammer function.
>

As far as I understand, if you already have LibreOffice from your
distribution repositories, then
it is advised to perform a parallel installation of the upstream (from
www.libreoffice.org) package.
Because, when you install an upstream version, it removes the
distribution version.

See http://simos.info/blog/archives/1196
for an example on how to install upstream versions of LibreOffice
(from www.LibreOffice.org)
along with the distribution version of LibreOffice.

Simos

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[libreoffice-users] Command line (convert) parameter(s)

[Stephan Zietsman]

Hi all,
I've been looking into the command line parameters for LibO.  Using
these, it is possible to do some interesting things, such as
converting from one format to another without having to run the LibO
gui.  An example of what I'm talking about is to convert your odt file
to docx:
soffice.exe -headless -convert-to docx Document_name.odt

My problem is that I can't find this "-convert-to" parameter in any
proper documentation.  The best I can find is some web post or
something that mentions it (but not discussed in detail), such as
http://muthusuba.blogspot.com/2011/03/so-called-hidden-features-of.html
and http://notes.benv.junerules.com/commandline-xlsdoc-to-pdf-converting/

On the wiki pages I found references to some of the command line
parameters for LibO (and OOo):
http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Starting_the_Software_With_Parameters
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Command_Line_Arguments

Most of these commands can also be seen by typing "soffice.exe -?".
But neither the wiki pages nor the command line help (see below)
mention the "-convert-to" parameter.  Does anyone know where to find
more information?  I just have a sneaking suspicion that there might
be other parameters that I'm not aware of (yet) that could prove
useful.

On a second point, "soffice.exe -?" is a little tricky.  Instead of
listing the available command parameters to the console, it opens up a
"Help Message..." window (this is in Windows7 x64).  Not all of the
text fits into this window, and I can't scroll or resize the window.
So in all fairness, it is possible that the "-convert-to" parameter is
mentioned there, I just can't see it in the window.  Does anyone know
how I can get the help info to display properly?

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Command line (convert) parameter(s)

[Nuno J. Silva]

On 2011-06-22, Stephan Zietsman wrote:

> My problem is that I can't find this "-convert-to" parameter in any
> proper documentation.  The best I can find is some web post or
> something that mentions it (but not discussed in detail), such as
> http://muthusuba.blogspot.com/2011/03/so-called-hidden-features-of.html
> and http://notes.benv.junerules.com/commandline-xlsdoc-to-pdf-converting/
>
> On the wiki pages I found references to some of the command line
> parameters for LibO (and OOo):
> http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Starting_the_Software_With_Parameters
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Command_Line_Arguments

I found out about that parameter while reading the development mailing
list:

  
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.devel/9422/focus=9532

I've not tested it, but that thread points out there's some issue with
docx.

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[libreoffice-users][windows] list boxes not stable

[John B]

Dear Tom

I have had my own problems with Base - still to be resolved, but I 
thought I would check out your trials.


I downloaded your file to my desktop, auto-loaded and up came 2 forms:- 
containers - Old & Containers > items


Result:-
the drop down boxes in  "containers - old",  works 100%

But none of the drop down boxes work on "Containers > Items"  Also 
sometimes the record shows 1 of 4 or 1 of 3 then back to 1 of 2 ( it was 
random) I could not get this to repeat.  - you are absolutely right  
about this faulty form - I just think that it has become corrupted - 
IMHO delete and start again.


On opening either form,  the icons on the left (on my system) were 
greyed out,  so I could not enter the design / edit mode - which may be 
a problem with my system - and has thus so far prevented me from 
designing a form something similar for myself. I realise now (thanks to 
you - with a form to play with) that you must  close the form, return to 
the front page, right click the form and enter it in Edit mode.


But this is really annoying as you should always be able to edit / 
personalise the form on the fly, hence the design / edit icon should 
never be greyed out. It seems the only way to achieve this is to always 
open in edit mode!.


When you have time, perhaps you could send me a step by step account of 
how did you make your 1st field? "record ID" on the form, I have clicked 
on everything that looks a likely target but no luck so far.  I have 
many dBase files I would like to import, but Base has proved to be such 
hard work; and I hope it will be more stable than your 2nd form.


I would also like to use the "Create form" instead of the wizard - it 
looks a better option than the wizard with its grid system for lining up 
fields.  But I cannot make head nor tale of it.



regards

John B
MS xp pro sp3
LO 3.3.3.1
- 




On 22/06/2011 08:59, Tom Cloyd wrote:

My list box disaster just don't quit.

To this point, I've learned that the only quick, simple way to get a 
list box onto a form is to use the list box wizard. Last night it 
worked. Tonight it worked. Then, it stopped.


I now have a form with 5 list boxes.  Three have spontaneously, quite 
without reason, disabled themselves. They passively display the value 
in their source table pointed to by the key value in the linked main 
table fie.d. BUT, the display is now a ghostly gray. I have had to 
change the background color just to see it at all. They also no longer 
are a part of the tab order and you cannot click into them at all. 
Also, the drop down no longer works at all. It is now just a data 
display field, not a list box. Worthless. I have poured over their 
properties for over an hour, trying to find the problem. No luck.


Another formerly working list box appears still to work, but will not 
update the main record field to which it is linked (this is the 
problem I was having last night, before I started using only the 
wizard to make list boxes).


Finally, I find that I can no longer CREATE functioning list boxes, 
using the wizard, which puts me out of the list box business altogether.


I just rebooted, hoping it might help, but it didn't (small chance!).

You can download this troubled database for examination HERE 
. Look at the 
"storage containers > items" form.


You'll see that my subform is working fine, The three brown-background 
list boxes are now duds. The "quadrant" list box appears to work but 
actually does nothing to the main table. The "macro-container" list 
box is recently created, and does exactly what the brown boxes do: 
nothing.


Any ideas, anyone?





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: invisible subform - what to do?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 22.06.2011 07:16, Tom Cloyd wrote:

I just tried out the form wizard, and got exactly what I want...so is
this the only way to get a subform grid onto a main form? I sure hope
not. Meanwhile, my original form has 5 list boxes on it that I
painstakingly set up. Since I cannot get a subform grid onto that form,
I seem to have to abandon it.

I'm hoping there's a better way out there!

Meanwhile, here's the procedure (again - this should be plain and
obvious, in the documentation, and if it is I haven't seen it):



List boxes are the key element to reflect database relations with 
primary and foreign keys. Forms, subforms, list boxes and sometimes 
tables with list boxes make your interrelated tables editable as if they 
were in one table while hiding away all the keys from the user. All the 
other elements (such as date fields and combo boxes) are input helpers 
for one distinct field in one distinct table.
Unfortunately, the form wizard is close to useless since it is limited 
to one subform and it never creates any list boxes.
The "Form Design" tool bar provides the most useful tool set do create 
arbitrary complex hierarchies of forms, subforms, list boxes to reflect 
your database relations in an editable form.


The ultimate guide by a true professional: 
http://openoffice.org/projects/documentation/downloads/directory/Base/Mid%20level%20Base%20tutorial
My own ramblings with a small database attachment: 
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=40444



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: invisible subform - what to do?

[Francois M]

Tom Cloyd  tomcloyd.com> writes:

> 
> I just tried out the form wizard, and got exactly what I want...so is 
> this the only way to get a subform grid onto a main form? I sure hope 
> not. Meanwhile, my original form has 5 list boxes on it that I 
> painstakingly set up. Since I cannot get a subform grid onto that form, 
> I seem to have to abandon it.
> 
> I'm hoping there's a better way out there!
> 
> Meanwhile, here's the procedure (again - this should be plain and 
> obvious, in the documentation, and if it is I haven't seen it):
> 
> 1. Create main table.
> 2. Create child (subordinate) table, with field to contain pointer to 
> key of main table record to which it's to be linked.
> 3.Use the main menu Tool > Relationship function to specify the table 
> relations.
> 4. User the form wizard to set up a table with a subform displayed in a 
> grid.
> 
> So simple. Now...I need to also be able to do this manually, for Pete's 
> sake!
> 
> t.
> 
>
> 

Hi Tom,
First a big thanks for your attempt to documenting the list box function!
About forms/subforms, I found out a threat some time ago, that saved my own
(base) life: it was a documented example, very detailed and complete, at least
for my own sake... 
Unfortunately: 
a/ I could not retrieve the link to it, but I had it copied within a doc, that I
could make available to you - 
b/in French language (do you read some French?).
I hope that pictures could be self-explanatory. If not, I may translate some
portion for you.
Anyway, this link heads to the base example -->
http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr/ci-joint/fichier/2007/09/09-030554.odb
As you may see here, what you are looking for is very much achievable, without
writing a single line of code.
Hope this may help.
Like yourself, I am a fan of this application.
BR   Francois







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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

[lee]

planas  writes:

> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:17 +0200, Stephan Zietsman wrote:
>
>> I can't find a way to assign middle mouse to it though, sorry.
>
> I would think using a mouse button would be OS and driver dependent. The
> OS must have the correct drivers and the mouse must configured to allow
> this possibly very selective use. The real problem is this use would
> implemented in all software since one is reconfiguring the default
> behavior of hardware not normally used for pasting. Reconfiguring the
> commands on a keyboard or toolbars is much easier. Keyboards are capable
> of a wide variety of key combinations and toolbars are only limited by
> software design choices.

I´m not sure what you mean. Obviously, you need to get your pointing
device to work before you can use it. What a particular application does
when it receives an event like a mouse click is for the particular
application to decide.

Aren´t you using your mouse or trackball or other kind of pointing
device to copy and paste? Copy and paste works by default as I described
in previous posts ever since I started using X11 almost 20 years
ago. Before that, it worked as I described with the GUI on AIX machines
and some Sun workstation they had at the university. It works the same
on the console when you enable it, and it used to be enabled by default
in Suse and Debian until changes were made that could lead to
interferences with X-servers and gpm[1] wasn´t installed by default
anymore. IIRC, it also worked on the console of the AIX machines.

It works the same in LO. Unfortunately, it´s screwed up in LO because
the way LO does copy and paste is using an unsuitable default ("paste
everything" instead of "paste unformatted") that cannot be changed. I
really wonder what´s so difficult to understand about it.

That you cannot bind something to mouseclicks in LO would make for
another feature request. That feature shouldn´t be needed for pasting
because pasting should just work right.


[1]: see http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[lee]

Asterix  writes:

> In all the different Linux distro's I installed none seems to support the
> synonym function. I initially though it is not enabled in the Linux version.
> So is it the tesaurus that is sometimes not installed on Linux? In windows
> all the versions on Libreoffice including the release canditates supported
> the synonym function on my WinXP and Win 7

There are packages in Debian testing you can install to add support for
quite a number of languages in LO. Synonyms would be language dependant,
so there isn´t much point in having to install all the packages for all
languages when there are languages you never use.

There´s the package "mythes-fr" that seems to provide the thesaurus for
French, for example. Since I don´t speak French, I don´t need it, and
not installing that package alone saves me about 2MB. There are
currently 15 thesauri, so I´m saving maybe 30MB. Same is for the
hyphenation packages ...

It´s not a great solution, though. Who would guess that they should
install a package called "mythes-fr" or "hyphen-fr" to get thesaurus and
hyphenation support for French in LO? At least the package names should
indicate that the packages are related to LO.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[lee]

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
writes:

> I wish the thesaurus was not buried several menus deep and have a
> toolbar button like the spellchecker does.  It would be more
> convenient to use that way.

You can assign icons to functions through Tools->Customize when you go
to the Toolbars tab and use the Modify button there to "Change icon
...".

The ability to unassign an icon from a function seems to be a missing
feature, so be careful.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[Stephan Zietsman]

lee wrote:
> The ability to unassign an icon from a function seems to be a missing
> feature, so be careful.

I believe it should be Modify -> Restore Default Command

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Command line (convert) parameter(s)

[Stephan Zietsman]

Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> I found out about that parameter while reading the development mailing
> list:

Yes, I also found out about it from reading a mailing list or
something.  I also found it mentioned here:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-April/009994.html

I was hoping that someone could give a little more detail on it.  Or
maybe someone knows of a more complete list of LibO command line
parameters (and switches) than those mentioned in the wiki.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

On 06/22/2011 09:21 AM, lee wrote:

Asterix  writes:


In all the different Linux distro's I installed none seems to support the
synonym function. I initially though it is not enabled in the Linux version.
So is it the tesaurus that is sometimes not installed on Linux? In windows
all the versions on Libreoffice including the release canditates supported
the synonym function on my WinXP and Win 7

There are packages in Debian testing you can install to add support for
quite a number of languages in LO. Synonyms would be language dependant,
so there isn´t much point in having to install all the packages for all
languages when there are languages you never use.

There´s the package "mythes-fr" that seems to provide the thesaurus for
French, for example. Since I don´t speak French, I don´t need it, and
not installing that package alone saves me about 2MB. There are
currently 15 thesauri, so I´m saving maybe 30MB. Same is for the
hyphenation packages ...

It´s not a great solution, though. Who would guess that they should
install a package called "mythes-fr" or "hyphen-fr" to get thesaurus and
hyphenation support for French in LO? At least the package names should
indicate that the packages are related to LO.


Is that the way to get OOo New Thesaurus? or is it something else?

This is a MySpell system and I have a Hunspell spellchecker installed.  
I download the .deb I found for the mythes-en files, and installed it.  
I did not see any difference.  I did not reboot my Ubuntu 10.04 system 
though.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

[lee]

Hi,

I´ve entered two feature requests about this:

lee  writes:

> how do I set a default pasting type so that when pasting, only the text
> itself is pasted and not the formatting with it?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38572

> How do I make it so that text, when pasted with the mouse, is inserted
> at the position of the text cursor where it´s supposed to be inserted,
> rather than where the mouse pointer happens to be?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38573

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[lee]

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
writes:

> On 06/22/2011 09:21 AM, lee wrote:
>> Asterix  writes:
>>
>>> In all the different Linux distro's I installed none seems to support the
>>> synonym function.
>> 
>> There are packages in Debian testing you can install to add support for
>> quite a number of languages in LO.
>> 
>> There´s the package "mythes-fr" that seems to provide the thesaurus for
>> French, for example.
>>
> Is that the way to get OOo New Thesaurus? or is it something else?

I think installing this package is one way to add thesaurus support to
LO in Debian.

There are openoffice-* packages depending on the mythes-* packages
described as intermittent packages to support the switching from
openoffice to libreoffice:


, [ lee@yun:~$ apt-cache show openoffice.org-thesaurus-fr ]
| Package: openoffice.org-thesaurus-fr
| Source: openoffice.org
| Version: 1:3.3.0-10
| Installed-Size: 152
| Maintainer: Debian LibreOffice Maintainers 

| Architecture: all
| Depends: mythes-fr
| Description: French Thesaurus for LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org
|  This is a transitional package, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging
|  with the LibreOffice packaging.
|  .
|  It can be safely removed after an upgrade.
| [...]
`

> This is a MySpell system and I have a Hunspell spellchecker installed.

You have two different spell checkers installed? Can you use both with
LO?

> I download the .deb I found for the mythes-en files, and installed it.
> I did not see any difference.  I did not reboot my Ubuntu 10.04 system
> though.

Rebooting shouldn´t be required; restarting LO should suffice. I don´t
have any thesauri packages installed, so I don´t know. I´d expect them
to just work out of the box.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[lee]

Stephan Zietsman  writes:

> lee wrote:
>> The ability to unassign an icon from a function seems to be a missing
>> feature, so be careful.
>
> I believe it should be Modify -> Restore Default Command

Cool, that works, thanks :) Perhaps this option needs to be renamed to
"Restore Default Icon"?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Error saving LibreOffice Documents under MacOSX 10.7

[Andreas Ender]

planas  gmail.com> writes:


> 
> Which version of LO are you using? Can you replicate this problem with
> same version of LO on another Mac OS version?


Same issue here with LibreOffice 3.4.1 OOO340m1 (Build:101) 
and OS X 10.7 Lion Build 11A494a


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2011/6/21 Tom Davies :
> Hi :)
> The 3.3.x series is the stable series with a years worth of support.  It's for
> corporate use and for places where re-installs and bug-fixing is not really a
> good choice.  The 3.4.x series is the testing/development branch and tends to
> have extra functionality and new features.
>
>
> A lot of OpenSource projects work this way.

Yes, I know, like GIMP, but they do it the other way around: Even
numbers for stable releases, like 2.6. I just didn't know that the
LibreOffice developers do that too, since the OpenOffice.org people
don't.


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ


>  With the linux kernel it's the odd
> numbers that were going to be testing/development branch.  The 
> 2.6.xx.whatever,
> is meant to be stable.  Ubuntu is a little different in having an "LTS" 
> release
> every 2 years with 3 years support.  Debian has a stable and separate testing
> and development branches.  SliTaz call their's a "cooking" release.  RedHat 
> use
> a separate distro, Fedora, for testing interesting ideas.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Johnny Rosenberg 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 18:04:43
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download
>
> Why is there a 3.3.3 when 3.4.0 was released a while ago? Apart from
> the incredible amount of bugs in 3.4.0…
>
>
> Regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] default type and setting for pasting

[John B]

Dear Lee

This may be a work around until this is resolved

I downloaded ms intellimouse software, which allows programming 
different functions of mouse buttons for different programs.


I was amazed it worked as I have not used this software before.

I selected "settings", "add" libreOffice, on the "wheel button" I 
selected "Macro"


wrote the macro as :>>  ctrl+shift+v, down arrow,down arrow, down arrow, 
enter > saved (ok)


then I copied some formatted text and  clicked the wheel

It placed the text, now unformatted, at the text cursor position and not 
the mouse position.


regards

John B
Xp pro sp 3
LO 3.3.3.1




On 22/06/2011 16:51, lee wrote:

Hi,

I´ve entered two feature requests about this:

lee  writes:


how do I set a default pasting type so that when pasting, only the text
itself is pasted and not the formatting with it?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38572


How do I make it so that text, when pasted with the mouse, is inserted
at the position of the text cursor where it´s supposed to be inserted,
rather than where the mouse pointer happens to be?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38573




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

I do not have any OOo installs, any more, in my archives, but I am 
keeping all the LibreOffice installs for a bit.


Since I deal with handing out DVDs, I want to keep the option of having 
earlier versions, just in case the current version has a bug that messes 
with something that worked with an earlier version.  I will wait till 
3.4.1 before handing out that version, but will use 3.3.x for any 
business or any non computer literate person to use.


3.3.x line for most stable
3.4.x line for cutting edge
   till the last 3.3.x version out late this year and 3.5.x 
coming out in Feb. 2012.


I currently use 3.3.3 for Ubuntu/.deb 64-bit and Windows Vista 32-bit.

On 06/22/2011 12:52 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2011/6/21 Tom Davies:

Hi :)
The 3.3.x series is the stable series with a years worth of support.  It's for
corporate use and for places where re-installs and bug-fixing is not really a
good choice.  The 3.4.x series is the testing/development branch and tends to
have extra functionality and new features.


A lot of OpenSource projects work this way.

Yes, I know, like GIMP, but they do it the other way around: Even
numbers for stable releases, like 2.6. I just didn't know that the
LibreOffice developers do that too, since the OpenOffice.org people
don't.


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ



  With the linux kernel it's the odd
numbers that were going to be testing/development branch.  The 2.6.xx.whatever,
is meant to be stable.  Ubuntu is a little different in having an "LTS" release
every 2 years with 3 years support.  Debian has a stable and separate testing
and development branches.  SliTaz call their's a "cooking" release.  RedHat use
a separate distro, Fedora, for testing interesting ideas.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Johnny Rosenberg
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 18:04:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

Why is there a 3.3.3 when 3.4.0 was released a while ago? Apart from
the incredible amount of bugs in 3.4.0…


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

On 06/22/2011 12:09 PM, lee wrote:

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
writes:


On 06/22/2011 09:21 AM, lee wrote:

Asterix   writes:


In all the different Linux distro's I installed none seems to support the
synonym function.

There are packages in Debian testing you can install to add support for
quite a number of languages in LO.

There´s the package "mythes-fr" that seems to provide the thesaurus for
French, for example.


Is that the way to get OOo New Thesaurus? or is it something else?

I think installing this package is one way to add thesaurus support to
LO in Debian.

I do not know really, since I never had OOo on this Ubuntu install and I 
saw OOo New Thesaurus in my Writing Aids list, along with the Hunspell 
spellchecker.  I did not see any differences when I ran the MyThres-en 
.deb install to add that "support".




There are openoffice-* packages depending on the mythes-* packages
described as intermittent packages to support the switching from
openoffice to libreoffice:


, [ lee@yun:~$ apt-cache show openoffice.org-thesaurus-fr ]
| Package: openoffice.org-thesaurus-fr
| Source: openoffice.org
| Version: 1:3.3.0-10
| Installed-Size: 152
| Maintainer: Debian LibreOffice Maintainers
| Architecture: all
| Depends: mythes-fr
| Description: French Thesaurus for LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org
|  This is a transitional package, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging
|  with the LibreOffice packaging.
|  .
|  It can be safely removed after an upgrade.
| [...]
`


This is a MySpell system and I have a Hunspell spellchecker installed.

You have two different spell checkers installed? Can you use both with
LO?

I am told that Hunspell is based on Myspell, but I do not know the 
difference.

I download the .deb I found for the mythes-en files, and installed it.
I did not see any difference.  I did not reboot my Ubuntu 10.04 system
though.

Rebooting shouldn´t be required; restarting LO should suffice. I don´t
have any thesauri packages installed, so I don´t know. I´d expect them
to just work out of the box.
Some of the English dictionaries have thesaurus built in, according to 
the Extension Manager's listing for them.


What comes "out-of-the-box", I do not know, since I have many extension 
installed post-install of LibreOffice 3.3.x.


So it will depend on the language you have as your default installation, 
and the language packs that are installed.  Then if you install all the 
proper name, medical, and other dictionary/writing-aid extension, you 
get a lot of writing aid option to work with.  I have many that I have 
as my default group, with many more locally to choose from, if needed.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

[Twayne]

In news:BANLkTimW9P-tsUsgW09VvD2rKho=4u8...@mail.gmail.com,
Sam Frybyte  typed:
> YEs! I can't install it either I get two errors
> 2908 and 1935
> Still hoping that someone has an answer to how to solve
> it.
> But I wasn't aware that there was a way to download the
> previous version can you direct me to that?

Hmm, apparently not. OO.o still has the old versions download list but I 
can't find anything like it on LibreO. Either I just missed it, or they 
don't have such a page for Libre. I had it because I downloaded it shortly 
after it was released.
   Have you tried to look up the error msgs to see what those numbers mean?
   Sorry I'm not much help. Perhaps you can find someone near you who has it 
and get a copy from them. Perhaps Google could find it for you?

HTH,

Twayne`

> Thanks
> Jay
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Twayne
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> In news:4df9defd.8000...@documentfoundation.org,
>> Italo Vignoli 
>> typed:
>>> LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download
>>>
>>> The Document Foundation announces the availability of
>>> LibreOffice 3.3.3, a new release of the most stable
>>> version of the free office suite for personal
>>> productivity, targetingcorporate users. LibreOffice
>>> 3.3.3 is already available for download at the following
>>> address: http://www.libreoffice.org/download.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Has anyone else had a problem installinhg LO 3.3.3? When
>> I start the install, all I get is an error message
>> "Installer Integrity Check Failed" and then something to
>> the effect of: ... see source and get a new copy of the
>> app.
>>
>> Win XP Pro SP3+, removed LO 3.3.2 and tried to install
>> 3.3.3:
>>
>> I've downloaded it twice (the multi version plus the
>> Help each time) after a
>> full
>> directory and Registry item removal for any references
>> to LO, but no change.
>> I thought the site had checksums someplace for
>> comparisons, but I can't find
>> them, although both downloads had the same checksum.
>>   It's also confusing because the file sizes given
>> online are apparently the unpacked sizes, not the sze of
>> the files to be downloaded. In addition to that, things
>> get confusing because it's variously called version 3,
>> 3.3, and 3.3.3 in the paperwork. Can't a search &
>> destroy be used on those files to have them all
>> reference the right files version/s?
>>
>> Anyone else have that error message? Know of a fix or
>> work-around for it? Any idea whether it's "me" causing
>> the above error message or the downloaded
>> code?
>> Are there any checksums, hash, etc., available for the
>>   app? I finally went back and re-installed 3.3.2 and
>> all went fine, so ... it really seems like something is
>> wrong with the integral installer on 3.3.3; I
>> wasn't aware until now that it had its own installer.  I
>> can't even begin to
>> install it because that error message pops up
>> immediately.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi, 

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:08:14 -0400
"Twayne"  wrote:

> In news:BANLkTimW9P-tsUsgW09VvD2rKho=4u8...@mail.gmail.com,
> Sam Frybyte  typed:
> > YEs! I can't install it either I get two errors
> > 2908 and 1935
> > Still hoping that someone has an answer to how to solve
> > it.
> > But I wasn't aware that there was a way to download the
> > previous version can you direct me to that?
> 
> Hmm, apparently not. OO.o still has the old versions download list but I 
> can't find anything like it on LibreO. Either I just missed it, or they 
> don't have such a page for Libre. I had it because I downloaded it shortly 
> after it was released.
>Have you tried to look up the error msgs to see what those numbers mean?
>Sorry I'm not much help. Perhaps you can find someone near you who has it 
> and get a copy from them. Perhaps Google could find it for you?

Please check this bugreport in OOo's bugzilla: 
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104994

They give a solution there, maybe this works for LibO too? 

Sigrid

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

[Twayne]

In news:itrfh0$4be$1...@dough.gmane.org,
NoOp  typed:
> On 06/18/2011 02:52 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
>> Hi ..,
>>
>> aqualung wrote (18-06-11 06:12)
>>> It would be nice to have the option of keeping OOo, for
>>> the odd case when something that works in it is broken
>>> in LibreOffice, or when you need OOo installed in order
>>> to provide help to another user who has OOo but not
>>> LibO.
>>
>> I think that is a fair idea.
>>
>>> The way to do this, I guess, would be to add an option
>>> in LibO's installation, e.g.:
>>
>> Thanks for your text. Too me, it looks good, though I am
>> not interested myself at all, since I use parallel
>> installation all the time ;-) Could be handy for you too:
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
>
> This is the issue that I brought up in December on the LO
> dev list:
> 
> [Change executable/sh names]
> Here we are on 3.4.rc1 and no further down the line.
> You'll need to expand some of the posts in that thread to
> see that I
> actually tested by changing the executables names & that
> works. Sample:
> 
>
> So the issue *still* remains that LO uses OOo .exe names.
> Does the same
> in Linux as well:
> $ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/program
> about.png oosplash.bin  services.rdb  soffice.bin
> unopkg.bin
> bootstraprc   pythonsetuprc   sofficerc
> versionrc
> fundamentalrc redirectrcshell spadmin
> intro.png sbase simpress  swriter
> kdefilepicker scalc smath unoinfo
> libnpsoplugin.so  sdraw soffice   unopkg
>
> When will LO stand on their own and change these?

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. OOo and LO are now two 
different "companies" for want of a better word, and I've never heard of any 
coder wanting to use the same names for their code as another program does. 
Swriter etc. being common names was an eye opener I'd never thought of, but 
that same naming convention has been in place for a long time. I would think 
it falls on LO to do a search & destroy on said application names since 
they're the newest kids on the block. Maybe it needs to be Lwriter or 
something; anything that's unique and unambiguous.
   There should be NO common files, period, IMO, so that OOo and LO can do 
whatever they need to do. Just as AMI, MS, WP, et al can all live together 
and even be run simultaneiously, so should  OOo and LO.
   Personally I don't care and I'm not sure how valid having to install both 
is since there are some workarounds that might suffice, but: OTOH, it does 
seem like they should install peacefully, whatever the actual reason is for 
the problems; it just makes sense.

HTH,

Twayne`




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[libreoffice-users][windows] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

[John B]

Hi
Being quite new to LibreOffice, when I had problems with running LO & 
OOo at the same time, in trying to understand the problem, I discovered 
that its not just that LO uses the same file extensions,  is that OOo is 
encoded within LO files  with OOo pathways and file names, riddled would 
be a better word.


If you use a file viewer such as that within Ztree, you can see when 
viewing LO configuration files,  that so much is OOo names and OOo 
pathways. So much so, I cannot think how they would not conflict, just 
look at the LO "registrymodifications.xcu" file (hundred or more OOo's)


What I find strange is that IBM Open Symphony mini suite (based on OOo) 
also uses a soffice.exe and if you run all three you will find that you 
have 3 separate soffice.exe's running.  Symphony on the other hand does 
not conflict in anyway that I can find. So it can be done.


My only way out in the end was to deep remove OOo using Revo-Uninstall 
and just hope that in the future I don't need it !!.


If you want to keep LO as the default, then you need to deep clean both 
LO & OOo, then re-install LO first, because for some reason OOo does not 
overwrite LO.


John B
xp pro sp3
LO 3.3.3.1 & 3.4

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On 22/06/2011 19:45, Twayne wrote:

In news:itrfh0$4be$1...@dough.gmane.org,
NoOp  typed:

On 06/18/2011 02:52 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi ..,

aqualung wrote (18-06-11 06:12)

It would be nice to have the option of keeping OOo, for
the odd case when something that works in it is broken
in LibreOffice, or when you need OOo installed in order
to provide help to another user who has OOo but not
LibO.

I think that is a fair idea.


The way to do this, I guess, would be to add an option
in LibO's installation, e.g.:

Thanks for your text. Too me, it looks good, though I am
not interested myself at all, since I use parallel
installation all the time ;-) Could be handy for you too:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

This is the issue that I brought up in December on the LO
dev list:

[Change executable/sh names]
Here we are on 3.4.rc1 and no further down the line.
You'll need to expand some of the posts in that thread to
see that I
actually tested by changing the executables names&  that
works. Sample:


So the issue *still* remains that LO uses OOo .exe names.
Does the same
in Linux as well:
$ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/program
about.png oosplash.bin  services.rdb  soffice.bin
unopkg.bin
bootstraprc   pythonsetuprc   sofficerc
versionrc
fundamentalrc redirectrcshell spadmin
intro.png sbase simpress  swriter
kdefilepicker scalc smath unoinfo
libnpsoplugin.so  sdraw soffice   unopkg

When will LO stand on their own and change these?

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. OOo and LO are now two
different "companies" for want of a better word, and I've never heard of any
coder wanting to use the same names for their code as another program does.
Swriter etc. being common names was an eye opener I'd never thought of, but
that same naming convention has been in place for a long time. I would think
it falls on LO to do a search&  destroy on said application names since
they're the newest kids on the block. Maybe it needs to be Lwriter or
something; anything that's unique and unambiguous.
There should be NO common files, period, IMO, so that OOo and LO can do
whatever they need to do. Just as AMI, MS, WP, et al can all live together
and even be run simultaneiously, so should  OOo and LO.
Personally I don't care and I'm not sure how valid having to install both
is since there are some workarounds that might suffice, but: OTOH, it does
seem like they should install peacefully, whatever the actual reason is for
the problems; it just makes sense.

HTH,

Twayne`







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Error saving LibreOffice Documents under MacOSX 10.7

[planas]

Hi

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 14:26 +, Andreas Ender wrote:

> planas  gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Which version of LO are you using? Can you replicate this problem with
> > same version of LO on another Mac OS version?
> 
> 
> Same issue here with LibreOffice 3.4.1 OOO340m1 (Build:101) 
> and OS X 10.7 Lion Build 11A494a
> 
> 

Are you saving to the local drive or a network drive? 

Others have report problems with network file access with Ubuntu. I
believe the problem was the same and the networking solution was found
on the Ubuntu site.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: invisible subform - what to do?

[Tom Cloyd]

Andreas,

On 06/22/2011 03:52 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

[...]

List boxes are the key element to reflect database relations with 
primary and foreign keys. Forms, subforms, list boxes and sometimes 
tables with list boxes make your interrelated tables editable as if 
they were in one table while hiding away all the keys from the user. 
All the other elements (such as date fields and combo boxes) are input 
helpers for one distinct field in one distinct table.
Unfortunately, the form wizard is close to useless since it is limited 
to one subform and it never creates any list boxes.
The "Form Design" tool bar provides the most useful tool set do create 
arbitrary complex hierarchies of forms, subforms, list boxes to 
reflect your database relations in an editable form.
Upon reading what you wrote above, my immediate thought was "This fellow 
can both think and write clearly. What a delight!"


Then I read what you call your "ramblings". My assessment was confirmed. 
What you write is a delight to read. Coherent, succinct, useful. One can 
ask no more. We need more documentation like this!


I sincerely hope that you have some relationship to the folks attempting 
to improve Base's documentation (of which I intend to make myself one). 
It would be a great waste of talent were it not so.


As for your "true professional" link below, I intend to dive into it 
very shortly.


Thanks for you thought and effort. Much appreciated.

Tom


The ultimate guide by a true professional: 
http://openoffice.org/projects/documentation/downloads/directory/Base/Mid%20level%20Base%20tutorial
My own ramblings with a small database attachment: 
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=40444








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RE: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

WordPad 6.1 (on Windows 7) provides less functionality for ODF documents than 
does Microsoft Office.  It is like an improved Windows Write (remember that?) 
with the ribbon.  It will open and save .docx, .odt, .rtf, and .txt.  It 
doesn't have text flow around images - they just break the text wherever 
inserted, and there are limiting formatting options, no styles, minimal page 
setup, bulleted lists, but no auto-numbering, etc. 

It is a nice way to make simple documents - it comes with the OS.  It is not a 
substitute for Microsoft Office Word (or LibreOffice Text) as a document 
producer.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: ba...@dbginc.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

Hi :)
How good did it look in WordPad?  Was the formatting seem about right?  Did you 
have pictures or text-boxes in the file that were in about the right place in 
WordPad?  


I have only ever used WordPad as a slightly inadequate text-editor but the 
problems i have with it are because it's really a word-processor.  If it handle 
odt well then it might open up opportunities to get odf files into Word with a 
lot less hassle.  At the moment i have to set various options in 

Tools - Options
such as downgrading to the ODF 1.1 format that is used by Word 2010.  Even then 
Word just doesn't have the sophisticated options for placing pictures in 
interesting ways.  If WordPad looks like it's worth exploring then that would 
be 
fantastic!

Regards from
Tom :)






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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

I uninstalled Open Office and installed LibreOffice. Now if I click on a .ODT
file it opens in WordPad instead of Writer. How can I easily fix this for
all LibreOffice apps on Win7 Pro 64 bit? Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: invisible subform - what to do?

[Tom Cloyd]

On 06/22/2011 04:55 AM, Francois M wrote:

Tom Cloyd  tomcloyd.com>  writes:


I just tried out the form wizard, and got exactly what I want...so is
this the only way to get a subform grid onto a main form? I sure hope
not. Meanwhile, my original form has 5 list boxes on it that I
painstakingly set up. Since I cannot get a subform grid onto that form,
I seem to have to abandon it.

I'm hoping there's a better way out there!

Meanwhile, here's the procedure (again - this should be plain and
obvious, in the documentation, and if it is I haven't seen it):

1. Create main table.
2. Create child (subordinate) table, with field to contain pointer to
key of main table record to which it's to be linked.
3.Use the main menu Tool>  Relationship function to specify the table
relations.
4. User the form wizard to set up a table with a subform displayed in a
grid.

So simple. Now...I need to also be able to do this manually, for Pete's
sake!

t.




Hi Tom,
First a big thanks for your attempt to documenting the list box function!
About forms/subforms, I found out a threat some time ago, that saved my own
(base) life: it was a documented example, very detailed and complete, at least
for my own sake...
Unfortunately:
a/ I could not retrieve the link to it, but I had it copied within a doc, that I
could make available to you -
b/in French language (do you read some French?).
I hope that pictures could be self-explanatory. If not, I may translate some
portion for you.
Anyway, this link heads to the base example -->
http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr/ci-joint/fichier/2007/09/09-030554.odb
As you may see here, what you are looking for is very much achievable, without
writing a single line of code.
Hope this may help.
Like yourself, I am a fan of this application.
BR   Francois

Francois,

Je peux lire un peu de français. Je peux obtenir le reste traduits si 
nécessaire.


Thank you for your kind offer. I would indeed like to look at your 
document. I looked at the base example for which you provided a link, 
and it does give me hope. Thanks for that as well. I know this is a 
terrific database manager, and I also know we have very little else to 
turn to if we are not to program our own interfaces, and I have no time 
for that. So, Base has to get it done for me.


Please send me the document when you are able. I'm eager to look at it. 
Thanks for your help.


Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] list boxes not stable

[Tom Cloyd]

John,

On 06/22/2011 04:23 AM, John B wrote:

Dear Tom

I have had my own problems with Base - still to be resolved, but I 
thought I would check out your trials.


I downloaded your file to my desktop, auto-loaded and up came 2 
forms:- containers - Old & Containers > items


Result:-
the drop down boxes in  "containers - old",  works 100%
Yes indeed. But then I started over, so I could have a subform. At that 
point, using the form wizard was the only way I could see to get one. 
Still is, dammit.


But none of the drop down boxes work on "Containers > Items"  Also 
sometimes the record shows 1 of 4 or 1 of 3 then back to 1 of 2 ( it 
was random) I could not get this to repeat.  - you are absolutely 
right  about this faulty form - I just think that it has become 
corrupted - IMHO delete and start again.
Corrupted? Good thought. I wonder why I didn't think of that? It sure 
looks like that could be the problem. I haven't yet knowingly had that 
problem with Base, so I didn't think of it.


On opening either form,  the icons on the left (on my system) were 
greyed out,  so I could not enter the design / edit mode - which may 
be a problem with my system - and has thus so far prevented me from 
designing a form something similar for myself. I realise now (thanks 
to you - with a form to play with) that you must  close the form, 
return to the front page, right click the form and enter it in Edit mode.
Yes. Opening it first, there is no way to go to edit mode. If you think 
you might want to edit the form, after opening it, you must first open 
it in edit mode, then switch to execute mode. You can then switch back 
to edit mode if desired.


But this is really annoying as you should always be able to edit / 
personalise the form on the fly, hence the design / edit icon should 
never be greyed out. It seems the only way to achieve this is to 
always open in edit mode!.
Agreed on both counts. An interface design flaw, IMHO. In MS Office, you 
can always turn on "design mode", and that's a good feature, I think.


When you have time, perhaps you could send me a step by step account 
of how did you make your 1st field? "record ID" on the form, I have 
clicked on everything that looks a likely target but no luck so far.  
I have many dBase files I would like to import, but Base has proved to 
be such hard work; and I hope it will be more stable than your 2nd form.
This field and its label appear on the first form - "containers - old". 
("old" because I gave up on it when I could find no way to attach a 
subform to it. I could create it, but could not make it appear - a 
problem to which no one has yet offered a solution. You can see the 
created subform in the form navigator - "ItemsForm".)


I got that field by:

1. using the form wizard to quickly generate a set of text boxes linked 
to each field in my main table - containers.

2. rearranging the boxes.
3. changing the label field from "IDContainer" to something more human - 
"record ID".


The same field is handled a little differently in the next form, the one 
we both agree must be corrupted. Here, I ran the table through a view, 
to attach aliases to each field that needed one, then used the view as 
the form source, and so automatically got the alias as a text box label.


Does that answer your question? (This is all so simple that I have to 
wonder if somehow I completely misunderstood your question. If so, 
please try me again.)


Re: importing dBase files: I think I would consider outputting the dbase 
tables in CSV, then inputting them to calc. From there it's easy to 
import them via by doing a copy of the spreadsheet table, then a 
copy/append to a blank table in Base. While I've not seen this 
functionality documented, I haven't looked for it either, as I 
discovered it early on.




I would also like to use the "Create form" instead of the wizard - it 
looks a better option than the wizard with its grid system for lining 
up fields.  But I cannot make head nor tale of it.
Well, getting started with it isn't hard. You can put various controls 
on your form - usually it would be text boxes, and ideally some list 
boxes, and point them to records on the table you've attached to the 
form. I just find it simpler to let the form wizard do this for me, then 
modify the result to suit me.


Hope some of this helps. Thanks for your response.

t.



regards

John B
MS xp pro sp3
LO 3.3.3.1
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On 22/06/2011 08:59, Tom Cloyd wrote:

My list box disaster just don't quit.

To this point, I've learned that the only quick, simple way to get a 
list box onto a form is to use the list box wizard. Last night it 
worked. Tonight it worked. Then, it stopped.


I now have a form with 5 list boxes.  Three have spontaneously, quite 
without reason, disabled themselves. They passively display the value 
in their source table pointed to by the key value in

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASE: bug in table designer

[Tom Cloyd]

On 06/19/2011 03:04 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 19/06/11 10:23, Tom Cloyd a écrit :

Hi Tom,


1. Make first field a key with autovalue-yes.
2. Make second field a text (VARCHAR) field, with entry required = No,
and give it a default value - some text string.


You do have a primary key defined as the autovalue field (since you say
that this is a key, I guess so) ?

In theory. But as I said, it's not actually getting created, as that 
required that you move off the end of the form by pressing enter, at 
which point the record marker should move to the next record. But that 
isn't happening. What wrote in my previous post is exactly correct. Did 
you try it?

> From what I know, the autovalue parameter only works with the INTEGER type.

Yes, but this is not a problem. My key was/is set up correctly, and 
should have worked.


t.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks for the feedback there.  I didn't get time to try it anyway today so 
thanks for the report :)  Someone tried creating a leaflet in Word today.  It's 
a very clumsy tool for stuff like that.  I suggested he could use Publisher or 
Writer but he stuck with Word.  [Sighs deeply] nvm.  It's more confirmation to 
my boss  that we need LibreOffice installed :)
Regards from
Tom :)






From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: ba...@dbginc.com
Sent: Thu, 23 June, 2011 0:52:07
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

WordPad 6.1 (on Windows 7) provides less functionality for ODF documents than 
does Microsoft Office.  It is like an improved Windows Write (remember that?) 
with the ribbon.  It will open and save .docx, .odt, .rtf, and .txt.  It 
doesn't 
have text flow around images - they just break the text wherever inserted, and 
there are limiting formatting options, no styles, minimal page setup, bulleted 
lists, but no auto-numbering, etc. 


It is a nice way to make simple documents - it comes with the OS.  It is not a 
substitute for Microsoft Office Word (or LibreOffice Text) as a document 
producer.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: ba...@dbginc.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

Hi :)
How good did it look in WordPad?  Was the formatting seem about right?  Did you 
have pictures or text-boxes in the file that were in about the right place in 
WordPad?  


I have only ever used WordPad as a slightly inadequate text-editor but the 
problems i have with it are because it's really a word-processor.  If it handle 
odt well then it might open up opportunities to get odf files into Word with a 
lot less hassle.  At the moment i have to set various options in 

Tools - Options
such as downgrading to the ODF 1.1 format that is used by Word 2010.  Even then 
Word just doesn't have the sophisticated options for placing pictures in 
interesting ways.  If WordPad looks like it's worth exploring then that would 
be 

fantastic!

Regards from
Tom :)






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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

I uninstalled Open Office and installed LibreOffice. Now if I click on a .ODT
file it opens in WordPad instead of Writer. How can I easily fix this for
all LibreOffice apps on Win7 Pro 64 bit? Thanks.

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice won't start

[ian_mcquay]

Non of my LibreOffice 3.3.3 applications will start. When I launch Calc or
Writer I get LibreOffice Document Recovery dialog box with no items in the
list to be recovered. It says "Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
crashed. All the files you were working on will now be saved. The next time
LibreOffice is launche, your files will be recovered automatically."

In Task Manager no LibreOffice application are running. Three LibreOffice
processes are running. Soffic.bin, soffice.exe and calc.exe.

When I click "Okay" on the dialog (the only option) no Calc window starts
but the three processes are still running. 

If I try and start Calc again nothing visible happens. It duplicates the
processes in Task Manager.
If I kill off the processors and start again. I get the LibreOffice Document
Recovery dilog again.

Most frustrating.

My system is Win 7 64 bit.

I re installed LibreOffice 3.3.3 yesterday after some similar problems. It
worked then yesterday.

Ian



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice won't start

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hello Ian, 

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT)
ian_mcquay  wrote:

> Non of my LibreOffice 3.3.3 applications will start. When I launch Calc or
> Writer I get LibreOffice Document Recovery dialog box with no items in the
> list to be recovered. It says "Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
> crashed. All the files you were working on will now be saved. The next time
> LibreOffice is launche, your files will be recovered automatically."
> 
> In Task Manager no LibreOffice application are running. Three LibreOffice
> processes are running. Soffic.bin, soffice.exe and calc.exe.

While in the Task Manager, just delete soffice.bin, this should also 
automatically delete the two other processes. 

> 
> When I click "Okay" on the dialog (the only option) no Calc window starts
> but the three processes are still running. 

If you see the recovery assistant again, instead of saying "yes, recover my 
files" just click on "cancel" and LibO should start anew with a new document or 
at least with the startcenter open. 

> If I try and start Calc again nothing visible happens. It duplicates the
> processes in Task Manager.
> If I kill off the processors and start again. I get the LibreOffice Document
> Recovery dilog again.

I can see that this is frustrating - please try the above mentioned methods and 
report back if it has helped you. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

[Stephan Zietsman]

lee wrote:
> Stephan Zietsman writes:
>> I believe it should be Modify -> Restore Default Command
>
> Cool, that works, thanks :) Perhaps this option needs to be renamed to
> "Restore Default Icon"?

I believe that "Restore Default Command" restores both the icon as
well as the command name (they can be renamed).  So maybe calling it
"Restore Default Icon" would be a little misleading.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice won't start

[Stephan Zietsman]

Sigrid Carrera wrote:
> If you see the recovery assistant again, instead of saying "yes, recover my 
> files" just click on "cancel" and LibO should start anew with a new document 
> or at least with the startcenter open.
>
>> If I try and start Calc again nothing visible happens. It duplicates the
>> processes in Task Manager.
>> If I kill off the processors and start again. I get the LibreOffice Document
>> Recovery dilog again.
>
> I can see that this is frustrating - please try the above mentioned methods 
> and report back if it has helped you.

You could also try to bypass the recovery process.  In a command
interface (Start -> Run -> cmd), try the following:
soffice -norestore

It might be necessary navigate to the directory where soffice resides
(if there is no environment set) before you try the above command, but
I'm really not sure.  I haven't personally tried it, but from what I
read it should skip the recovery process, which seems to be giving you
some trouble.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice won't start

[Stephan Zietsman]

Stephan Zietsman wrote:
> You could also try to bypass the recovery process.  In a command
> interface (Start -> Run -> cmd), try the following:
> soffice -norestore

Sorry, in Win7 it's not "Start" -> "Run" -> "cmd", but rather just
"Start" -> "cmd" (click "Start" and then you just type "cmd" and press
ENTER)

Regards
Stephan

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