Re: [libreoffice-users] How to synchronize CTL formatting to Western formatting in Writer?

[Till Ulen]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:42 AM, toki  wrote:

>
> Question:
> For each style, are did you set the same font for Western Font, CTL
> Font, and Asian Font?
>

The author of the document used only the Western Font settings to format
it. The CTL and presumably the Asian Font sections are at the same defaults
everywhere. For example, two pieces of text set in Minion Pro Italic 12pt
and Minion Pro Bold 14pt (Western Font) both specify Times New Roman
Regular 12pt in CTL Font. Sometimes the CTL Font has the right point size,
but the wrong font.

The document uses very few paragraph and character styles, it’s mostly
direct formatting.

Regards,
Till

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

[Keith Barber]

Thank you for this Alex.  Not sure I'm computerate enough to know the 
difference between a JDK and a JRE.  However, I do have 2 JREs 
installed, a 32-bit and a 64-bit.


Good news: it looks as if I may have cracked it, at least temporarily. 
Bad news: it might be a bug of some sort... potentially a bug in the 
user but worth feeding back what I've discovered.


I need to find time to restart my machine again to confirm what I'm 
about to say, when I do I'll post accordingly.  Base was working fine 
last week (I normally 'sleep' my PC overnight), but did a restart ovver 
the weekend and that's where the trouble started.


In Tools - Options - Advanced the two JREs look identical.  After 
posting my query, and just for the hell of it, I tried selecting the 
other one.  That made no difference.  So I shut down LO, re-opened it 
and tried again.  Still no joy.  So I went back in and selected the 
original again.  Still no joy with Base, so for one last thing I shut 
down LO yet again.  This time, Base worked when I re-opened it!


If that's what it takes, I can live with it, though I'd rather not have 
to.  But if that gives someone a clue where to look for an issue, it 
would be most welcome.


Best wishes,
Keith

On 28/11/2016 17:26, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 28/11/2016 à 17:52, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,


Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1 (unsure whether any further
information would help or how to find it).


I am assuming you are using a 64bit JDK (and not a JRE) ?
If so, which version ?



Alex





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 11/27/2016 09:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Tim

Le 2016-11-27 à 18:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?

This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core
fonts you get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but
hopefully there is a RPM package as well.

On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced,
condensed, narrow, and rounded font sets.

Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB
of font files on my "file server".



No need to add fonts, LibreOffice will substitute quite easily with 
the Liberation family of fonts which are pretty well identical to 
Arial, the same with Times font. No need to install any MS fonts if 
you don't need to. The fonts shipped with LibreOffice are such that 
they will offer the largest success with respect to interoperability 
with fonts.


Marc



Yes, I know that.

The question seemed to state that they wanted/needed Arial and Times New 
Roman specifically.  So I made my comment about how to get it.


I do use a lot of "compatible" or "similar" fonts so I get what I 
want/need without paying for the "name brand" font's price.  For 
Liberation, I have the Mono, Serif, Sans Serif, and Sans Serif Narrow, 
versions installed.  Sometimes I have both Narrow and Condensed versions 
of fonts, when they seems to be different. Liberation only has Narrow, 
but Arial seems to have both.


My only trouble for font selection is when I am dealing with a Windows 
user that uses Word, not LO, who need the document[s] to have fonts 
specific to their Windows system.  That was one reason I installed the 
MS Core Fonts package.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/28/2016 09:26 PM, James E. Lang wrote:

As I understand it, H wants to convert markdown to odf AND BACK to markdown. 
Most of the messages in this thread are ignoring that last step.


While it would be very nice to be able to revert to markdown, that may not be 
very workable...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to synchronize CTL formatting to Western formatting in Writer?

[toki]

On 28/11/16 16:19, Till Ulen wrote:

> combinations of sizes and styles. All the formatting is specified as Western 
> Text Font, and LibreOffice Writer displays it properly. Each piece
> of text, whatever its Western formatting is, specifies that in a CTL language 
> (such as Arabic) it should be set in Times New Roman Normal 12 pt.


Question:
For each style, are did you set the same font for Western Font, CTL
Font, and Asian Font?

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[James E. Lang]

As I understand it, H wants to convert markdown to odf AND BACK to markdown. 
Most of the messages in this thread are ignoring that last step.

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-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kramer 
To: H 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 6:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to 
LibreOffice

There is a utility called MultiMarkdown that will write flat ODF files
readable by LO.

On Nov 28, 2016 8:34 AM, "H"  wrote:

> On 11/28/2016 03:11 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim
>>
>> Le 2016-11-27 à 18:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :
>>
>> Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?
>>>
>>> This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core
>>> fonts you get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but
>>> hopefully there is a RPM package as well.
>>>
>>> On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced,
>>> condensed, narrow, and rounded font sets.
>>>
>>> Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB
>>> of font files on my "file server".
>>>
>>>
>> No need to add fonts, LibreOffice will substitute quite easily with the
>> Liberation family of fonts which are pretty well identical to Arial, the
>> same with Times font. No need to install any MS fonts if you don't need to.
>> The fonts shipped with LibreOffice are such that they will offer the
>> largest success with respect to interoperability with fonts.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> I know that but the point is that pandoc seems to have defined certain
> fonts for the various elements in a markdown document which it should not.
> It is irrelevant whether LO has substitutable fonts or not.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/28/2016 06:44 PM, Cley Faye wrote:

2016-11-28 16:48 GMT+01:00 H :


MultiMarkdown has been suggested by its author Fletcher Penney and it does
sound interesting. Unfortunately I could not get it to work on the only
Windows system I have - running Vista - and I am not sure I could compile
it for CentOS.



​I've started writing a markdown conversion tool for another purpose, but
it would be relatively trivial for me to output fodt; do you have a
reference to the markdown you use? As I understand it, there are a lot of
variation of it.

(sorry if it was said before in the thread, but it's been a lenghty one).


That would certainly be terrific! My understanding is also that markdown was 
invented by Gruber and that there are multiple extensions. I would propose 
Fletcher Penney's syntax summary for MultiMarkdown, see 
https://rawgit.com/fletcher/human-markdown-reference/master/index.html.

Let me restate that when converting to LO/OO format, the converter should not 
impose /any/ style information whatsoever, not use a particular font, a 
particular style etc. If I - in LO - have defined the font cvayfgappt23mpat at 
12.74 points to be the font for Headings Level 2 that should be used and if I 
have font y0gagöaqgfy 37.902 points for body text that should be used, no 
assumptions about fonts, languages etc. My understanding is that a LO document 
always has certain styles defined, including Header 1, Header 2, Text Body, 
Table Header etc. and whatever I have defined those as in LO would be used by 
LO.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[Cley Faye]

2016-11-28 16:48 GMT+01:00 H :

> MultiMarkdown has been suggested by its author Fletcher Penney and it does
> sound interesting. Unfortunately I could not get it to work on the only
> Windows system I have - running Vista - and I am not sure I could compile
> it for CentOS.



​I've started writing a markdown conversion tool for another purpose, but
it would be relatively trivial for me to output fodt; do you have a
reference to the markdown you use? As I understand it, there are a lot of
variation of it.

(sorry if it was said before in the thread, but it's been a lenghty one).

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 28/11/2016 à 17:52, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,

> Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1 (unsure whether any further
> information would help or how to find it).

I am assuming you are using a 64bit JDK (and not a JRE) ?
If so, which version ?



Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Base and Java

[Keith Barber]

I've created a smallish (200-odd members) membership database in Base. 
Just in case it's relevant, I populated it with data from a Calc 
spreadsheet which itself originated as a MS Excel spreadsheet created by 
my predecessor.


On trying to open the table, I got a no JRE error.  I managed to cure 
that by uninstalling and reinstalling Java, and all went swimmingly until...


Restarted my machine over the weekend.  On opening the database it opens 
in the 'Forms' option.  When I attempt to go to the 'Tables' option, I 
get 'The connection to the data source "" could not be 
established.  No Java installation could be found.  Please check your 
installation"  Clicking on 'More' brings up 2 errors: "The connection to 
the data source "" could not be established." and: "SQL Status: HY000


No Java installation could be found. Please check your installation." 
The same errors arise when I try to go in to a query and a form that 
I've created.  I have no doubt I could repeat the Java 
uninstall-reinstall routine and make it work, but I really don't want to 
have to do that every time I restart my computer, so any help would be 
welcome.


Installation details:
LO 5.2.3.3
Build ID: d54a8868f08a7b39642414cf2c8ef2f228f780cf
CPU Threads: 4; OS Version: Windows 6.1; UI Render: default;
Locale: en-GB (en_GB); Calc: group

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1 (unsure whether any further 
information would help or how to find it).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Speed up RTF to PDF (headless) conversions

[Cley Faye]

2016-11-28 16:55 GMT+01:00 Paquin, Brian :

> The initial conversion is about 5-10 seconds.
> If we process a second document (all RTFs about the same), it is less than
> a second.
> If we then wait a couple minutes and process a third document, it goes
> back to the 5-10 seconds...
>

​To me, it sounds like libreoffice just shut down when it have nothing to
do, and so needs to start up again.

Depending on the way you do this, you could fiddle with the --accept option
to keep LibreOffice listening, or pre-start it with --invisible, keeping it
open.

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[libreoffice-users] How to synchronize CTL formatting to Western formatting in Writer?

[Till Ulen]

Hello,

I’m trying to import a Microsoft Word .docx document into Adobe InDesign.
(Please bear with me for a moment, this question is actually about
LibreOffice Writer.) The document is in a Western language and uses Latin
and Cyrillic characters. It uses a couple of character and paragraph
styles, but most of the formatting is specified inline. Although there is
no sign of Arabic in the document, InDesign is mostly picking up the CTL
Font formatting specified in the document instead of the Western Text Font
that it should use.

How can I synchronize the CTL formatting of every bit of text with its
Western formatting throughout a document?

Currently, the text is formatted using a couple of font families and many
combinations of sizes and styles. All the formatting is specified as
Western Text Font, and LibreOffice Writer displays it properly. Each piece
of text, whatever its Western formatting is, specifies that in a CTL
language (such as Arabic) it should be set in Times New Roman Normal 12 pt.

What I want is as follows: If a phrase is set in, for example, Minion Pro
Italic 10pt, make its CTL formatting also Minion Pro Italic 10pt instead of
the default Times New Roman.

In theory, I could use Search & Replace to manually add CTL formatting to
every specific piece of text, but there are just too many different
combinations of font family, style and size.

I’m reading the docs and some forums, but so far have not found anything. I
would appreciate any pointers.

I’m using LibreOffice Still 5.1.6.2 (x64) on Windows 10.

Thanks,
Till

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[libreoffice-users] Re: "Today" in calc

[william drescher]

On 11/27/2016 8:11 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hello,

You could also refer to this post:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45=30071

I believe it describes a way to do what you are looking for. Basically
they describe a way to trigger a macro that monitors a range of cells
and that performs a specific operation when something is changed.

Rémy Gauthier.


Thank you Rémy


Le dimanche 27 novembre 2016 à 23:57 +, Brian Barker a écrit :

At 07:04 27/11/2016 -0500, William Drescher wrote:

(2nd posting, it appears the first disappeared in cyberia)


Both messages presumably awaited moderation. Your first arrived 47
seconds after your second.


When I update the data in a spreadsheet I need to also update the
one of two cells "date data sent" or "date data received." I can't
figure out a way of doing that automagically so I have a field in
the header set to TODAY() and I copy and paste that into the row.

Plain pasting doesn't work as that will paste the function, not

the

value. Paste Special works but is a lot of clicks. Can anyone

think

of a better way to do this.


Right-click | Paste Only > | Number?

If you prefer, you can find Paste Only under Edit in Tools |
Customise... | Keyboard and bind it to an unused keyboard shortcut.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


Thanks Brian.



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[libreoffice-users] Speed up RTF to PDF (headless) conversions

[Paquin, Brian]

We are using the soffice --headless --convert-to command to convert RTF 
documents to PDF.
The conversion accuracy is quite good, but we are trying to improve the speed 
of the conversion.
Ideas?

The initial conversion is about 5-10 seconds.
If we process a second document (all RTFs about the same), it is less than a 
second.
If we then wait a couple minutes and process a third document, it goes back to 
the 5-10 seconds...

We are calling this command from a java-based web application.
The conversions are done when someone loads a case/record that has associated 
RTFs (which we then process into PDF).
We are trying to reduce the lag between viewing the case and the availability 
of the PDF...

Thank you,

Brian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/28/2016 03:27 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:

There is a utility called MultiMarkdown that will write flat ODF files
readable by LO.

On Nov 28, 2016 8:34 AM, "H"  wrote:


On 11/28/2016 03:11 AM, Marc Paré wrote:


Hi Tim

Le 2016-11-27 à 18:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?

This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core
fonts you get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but
hopefully there is a RPM package as well.

On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced,
condensed, narrow, and rounded font sets.

Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB
of font files on my "file server".



No need to add fonts, LibreOffice will substitute quite easily with the
Liberation family of fonts which are pretty well identical to Arial, the
same with Times font. No need to install any MS fonts if you don't need to.
The fonts shipped with LibreOffice are such that they will offer the
largest success with respect to interoperability with fonts.

Marc


I know that but the point is that pandoc seems to have defined certain

fonts for the various elements in a markdown document which it should not.
It is irrelevant whether LO has substitutable fonts or not.


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MultiMarkdown has been suggested by its author Fletcher Penney and it does 
sound interesting. Unfortunately I could not get it to work on the only Windows 
system I have - running Vista - and I am not sure I could compile it for 
CentOS. Fletcher has not responded to the first issue.

Please do not send replies to me personally, this is a mailing-list discussion 
and I am - obviously - a member of the mailing list and the discussion is for 
the benefit of those members who have an interest in markdown and LO. Private 
replies are a waste of bandwidth and as welcome as spam.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[Joshua Kramer]

There is a utility called MultiMarkdown that will write flat ODF files
readable by LO.

On Nov 28, 2016 8:34 AM, "H"  wrote:

> On 11/28/2016 03:11 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim
>>
>> Le 2016-11-27 à 18:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :
>>
>> Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?
>>>
>>> This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core
>>> fonts you get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but
>>> hopefully there is a RPM package as well.
>>>
>>> On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced,
>>> condensed, narrow, and rounded font sets.
>>>
>>> Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB
>>> of font files on my "file server".
>>>
>>>
>> No need to add fonts, LibreOffice will substitute quite easily with the
>> Liberation family of fonts which are pretty well identical to Arial, the
>> same with Times font. No need to install any MS fonts if you don't need to.
>> The fonts shipped with LibreOffice are such that they will offer the
>> largest success with respect to interoperability with fonts.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> I know that but the point is that pandoc seems to have defined certain
> fonts for the various elements in a markdown document which it should not.
> It is irrelevant whether LO has substitutable fonts or not.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/28/2016 03:11 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Tim

Le 2016-11-27 à 18:02, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?

This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core
fonts you get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but
hopefully there is a RPM package as well.

On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced,
condensed, narrow, and rounded font sets.

Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB
of font files on my "file server".



No need to add fonts, LibreOffice will substitute quite easily with the 
Liberation family of fonts which are pretty well identical to Arial, the same 
with Times font. No need to install any MS fonts if you don't need to. The 
fonts shipped with LibreOffice are such that they will offer the largest 
success with respect to interoperability with fonts.

Marc



I know that but the point is that pandoc seems to have defined certain fonts 
for the various elements in a markdown document which it should not. It is 
irrelevant whether LO has substitutable fonts or not.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/28/2016 12:02 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 11/27/2016 04:37 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hello,

H. @ 2016-11-27 19:00 GMT:


On 11/20/2016 03:13 PM, Ricardo wrote:

El 2016-11-20 14:45, Virgil Arrington escribió:



Since Markdown is a pure text file with formatting marks inserted, you
could easily edit such a file with LO. It sounds like what you're asking
is a way to convert the Markdown file to a LO format. I'm not sure of a
direct way of doing that. You might try Pandoc, an online file converter.



Pandoc can be installed on any system, but only recent versions support ODT, so 
you need to look with version if offered by CentOS

http://pandoc.org/

Regards,
Ricardo


I have installed pandoc and tried to converted two markdown documents to ODT 
opening them in LibreOffice  4.3.7 under CentOS 6.8.

It seems Pandoc modifies the LO styles, setting fonts to Arial, Times Roman 
etc. which are not available in LO. Pandoc also did not assign the default list 
style to lists, nor did it handle tables at all. Although tables are not part 
of the core markdown they are part of a common extension.

Does CentOS 6.8 have access to the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package?

This package includes Arial and Times New Roman and many of the core fonts you 
get with a Windows install.  I use the DEB package, but hopefully there is a 
RPM package as well.

On my main laptop, I have Arial in "normal" style, monospaced, condensed, 
narrow, and rounded font sets.

Actually, I have over 180 fonts in my ".font"folder, and have over 14GB of font files on 
my "file server".


I would have preferred pandoc to use whatever the style settings are in LO,
not trying to change anything.

Actually it does not work that way; pandoc cannot guess what styles are used
by LibreOffice. If you have written your two documents using markdown they
simply cannot use LibreOffice styles "in advance". I think that what's really
going on with Pandoc is that it has default settings for each type of export
filters. Arial and Times Roman are fairly common fonts and by default
LibreOffice can use them with no problem.

On the other hand, using Markdown in my experience does not really make me
expect to have nicely laid out documents (like with LibreOffice or LATEX for
instance). Markdown is fundamentally a web and transitional format, made to
process text on websites or online documentation. If you are looking for rich
and complex styles I suggest to stick to LibreOffice or other kinds of tools
such as LATEX.

Best,





Thank you for the information but irrelevant. Pandoc should not define any font 
information at all when exporting from markdown to LO.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[H]

On 11/27/2016 10:37 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hello,

H. @ 2016-11-27 19:00 GMT:


On 11/20/2016 03:13 PM, Ricardo wrote:

El 2016-11-20 14:45, Virgil Arrington escribió:



Since Markdown is a pure text file with formatting marks inserted, you
could easily edit such a file with LO. It sounds like what you're asking
is a way to convert the Markdown file to a LO format. I'm not sure of a
direct way of doing that. You might try Pandoc, an online file converter.



Pandoc can be installed on any system, but only recent versions support ODT, so 
you need to look with version if offered by CentOS

http://pandoc.org/

Regards,
Ricardo


I have installed pandoc and tried to converted two markdown documents to ODT 
opening them in LibreOffice  4.3.7 under CentOS 6.8.

It seems Pandoc modifies the LO styles, setting fonts to Arial, Times Roman 
etc. which are not available in LO. Pandoc also did not assign the default list 
style to lists, nor did it handle tables at all. Although tables are not part 
of the core markdown they are part of a common extension.

I would have preferred pandoc to use whatever the style settings are in LO,
not trying to change anything.

Actually it does not work that way; pandoc cannot guess what styles are used
by LibreOffice. If you have written your two documents using markdown they
simply cannot use LibreOffice styles "in advance". I think that what's really
going on with Pandoc is that it has default settings for each type of export
filters. Arial and Times Roman are fairly common fonts and by default
LibreOffice can use them with no problem.

On the other hand, using Markdown in my experience does not really make me
expect to have nicely laid out documents (like with LibreOffice or LATEX for
instance). Markdown is fundamentally a web and transitional format, made to
process text on websites or online documentation. If you are looking for rich
and complex styles I suggest to stick to LibreOffice or other kinds of tools
such as LATEX.

Best,


My point exactly: pandoc knows that I am converting from markdown format to LO 
format. It should not define new fonts or font sizes for the various parts of 
the markdown document, only make anything tagged Header Level 1 in the markdown 
document become Header 1 in LO accepting whatever font, font size and other 
style information I have defined in LO. It should not convert Header Level 1 in 
markdown to Times, Arial or any other font at all, this has nothing to do with 
whether LO has compatible fonts or not.

I have never tried to use my markdown editor for defining "rich and complex 
styles" and I thought I had made that clear several times.

I think there are frequent misunderstandings on list why and how some users 
want to use a markdown editor to create document content leaving the formatting 
to LO, OO or whatever their word processor - or slide presentation package - is.

I would like to add that I have pandoc 1.9.4.1 on my computer running CentOS 
6.8, apparently pandoc 1.10 has expanded support for markdown to also include 
tables and other features.


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