Re: [libreoffice-users] add ttf fonts to LibreOffice
The KDE desktop has a nice application built in to add fonts. The Gnome desktop is from a time when programmers lived in caves and ate their young. You have to know the super secret directories to copy into, then the 3 name never spoken script files to edit. There is a Gnome font adding application, but most distros don't include it. On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 21:05 -0700, SillyOne wrote: My question is really basic, but I couldn't find anything about it, sorry. So here goes. Adding fonts to the windows version of LE is simple, just add them to the c:/windows/fonts folder (or install via control panel), and you can use them in LE just as in any other applications. But in Linux (I'm using Linux Mint 11 x64) I can't figure out how to get it done. *what I have tried:* 1) copied the fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/windows-fonts, updated the font cache doing sudo fc-cache -fv, they show up using fc-list, but they didn't show up in LibreOffice. 2) opened the font in font viewer and clicked install, same as above. I'd prefer a solution that can be automated (I'm about to install hundreds of fonts), but everything is appreciated. Thank you! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/add-ttf-fonts-to-LibreOffice-tp3241306p3241306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] new book
And this is why bottom posting creatures are being weeded out of the gene pool. Soon we will have a genetics test so they can be eliminated prior to birth. You don't see this because it is at the bottom: For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Where nobody )(*)(*)_ing looks On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 12:58 -0700, Lynn Wilde wrote: Same here. It's really annoying. From: Gail Dawson johngail5...@att.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, August 9, 2011 6:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] new book Please someone tell me how do I get out of this forum? I am receiving hundreds of emails a day about LibreOffice. I can't remember how I got in. Again, please help me get out of this forum. Thanks, Gail Dawson On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Pages in any word-processing format often display different between one machine and another due to, for example, printer settings. Pdf is a format that displays the same on every machine but not if it's made after changes have occurred. The proper Pdfs are available for download http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 9 August, 2011 12:35:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] new book 2011/8/5 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org: I am actively adding content to this release of the book. I am currently working through the Calc section. When I finish with that, I will move on to the next section, which is not yet in the document. The German translation is on chapter 7 I believe. Great book. I downloaded it and exported it to PDF. I found a strange page break however, on page 488 (PDF version) or 487 (ODF version). Just thought you wanted to know… I also wonder why the page numbers of the PDF (the one I exported to myself) are not the same as those on the ODF, but that has probably nothing to do with the document itself. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ On 08/05/2011 08:49 AM, rogerio dandrea wrote: new book http://www.pitonyak.org/OOME_3_0.odt :0) thanks Pitonyak for the excellent work :0) From Brazil -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent
Re: [libreoffice-users] new book
That's because real human beings don't read the bottom of any on-line message. There are only a handful of genetically inferior bottom posting dinosaurs left on the face of the planet and soon this problem will passand given enough time below ground they'll turn into crude which we can make gas and oil out of On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 16:31 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-08-10 3:58 PM, Lynn Wilde life48dan...@att.net wrote: Same here. It's really annoying. What is really annoying is people who cannot take 2 seconds and read the instructions that are included at the bottom of every message they get on a mail list, but choose to whine and complain on the list like little children. Grow up. Learn how to interact online, or GET OFF THE NET. From: Gail Dawson johngail5...@att.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, August 9, 2011 6:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] new book Please someone tell me how do I get out of this forum? I am receiving hundreds of emails a day about LibreOffice. I can't remember how I got in. Again, please help me get out of this forum. Thanks, Gail Dawson On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Pages in any word-processing format often display different between one machine and another due to, for example, printer settings. Pdf is a format that displays the same on every machine but not if it's made after changes have occurred. The proper Pdfs are available for download http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 9 August, 2011 12:35:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] new book 2011/8/5 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org: I am actively adding content to this release of the book. I am currently working through the Calc section. When I finish with that, I will move on to the next section, which is not yet in the document. The German translation is on chapter 7 I believe. Great book. I downloaded it and exported it to PDF. I found a strange page break however, on page 488 (PDF version) or 487 (ODF version). Just thought you wanted to know… I also wonder why the page numbers of the PDF (the one I exported to myself) are not the same as those on the ODF, but that has probably nothing to do with the document itself. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ On 08/05/2011 08:49 AM, rogerio dandrea wrote: new book http://www.pitonyak.org/OOME_3_0.odt :0) thanks Pitonyak for the excellent work :0) From Brazil -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
Re: [libreoffice-users] Lotus WordPro
We have been begging for tabbed divisions from the OpenOffice/LO/Symphony community for years. It has become quite obvious that the developers on these projects have only ever used Microsoft Word and can't fathom why anyone would want something other than a clone of that. IBM seriously dropped the ball with WordPro. SmartSuite was THE office suite, bar none. On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 14:01 -0400, Brian Grawburg wrote: For several years Word Pro has been my primary word processing program for all major projects involving multiple chapters and sections within a chapter. For example, training manuals and personal books often consisting of +100 pages and more than a dozen divisions/chapters. I specifically use Word Pro because I can create a division and then easily click on the chapter tab to go to a specific location. If LibreOffice included such an option it would become my only word processing program, and I would quickly write the documenation for this options to show others how to use it. For now, I will only be able to use LibreOffice for short documents. Thanks, Brian Grawburg Wilson, NC USA -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Lotus WordPro
Navigator is a lot like Microsoft saying We're stable because we made it one whole hour without crashing. Tabbed document divisions were created by God and given to Lotus WordPro. It's not just the navigation, but the grouping and reordering and skipping and everything else. If you create a tab with multiple chapters and move that division to a different place in the book, ALL chapter numbers get fixed instantly. You could flag divisions as printable/non-printable so you could keep all of your working notes in various tabbed divisions where they would remain forever but not appear in actual output. On massive technical manuals where you have multiple divisions each having multiple sections and each section having multiple chapters...it is the ONLY method of sanity. I have written books using WordPro. I have written books using WordPerfect under OS/2. I have written books using OpenOffice, Symphony, and currently have two I'm writing with LO. WordPerfect was almost tolerable, but it really paled next to WordPro. Writing large technical books with any of the OpenOffice clones is much like getting kicked in the groin by penis hating women wearing steel toed boots. I usually end up having to use 4 different word processors at the same time to write a book now, when I could use only one with WordPro. There are still disasters which strike this new environment which were physically impossible in Wordpro. Until you've actually loaded WordPro and created an 800+ page technical book having 24 chapters, 4 divisions, and multiple sections, don't try to put any of the OO clones in the same class. You don't know it, but you are trying to say watching a little league game which is about to invoke the 20 run rule is just as great as the combined summer and winter olympics. On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 19:52 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:01 06/08/2011 -0400, Brian Grawburg wrote: I specifically use Word Pro because I can create a division and then easily click on the chapter tab to go to a specific location. If LibreOffice included such an option it would become my only word processing program, ... Have you tried the Navigator (View | Navigator or F5)? If your chapter headings have appropriate Heading styles, you can easily jump to them in the Navigator. For now, I will only be able to use LibreOffice for short documents. No: like others, you can use it for long documents too. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: QUESTION: Libreoffice documents constantly need recovery
OpenSuSE 11.4 has been very good to me. Their 64-bit stuff actually works! On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 12:48 -0700, Wayne wrote: I left Ubuntu because of its new release. I would recommend LinuxMint. Wayne On 08/02/2011 09:04 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: Move to OpenSuSE. Your life will be a lot better. Ubuntu has lost its way. On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 07:00 +0300, David Nelson wrote: Hi Juan, On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Juan Carlosjuanzeppe...@hotmail.com wrote: I use ubuntu 10.10, which contains openoffice for default, so I had to de-install it and download the deb packages from libreoffice.org. Also I tried to download and install it from the PPA (ppa:libreoffice/ppa) and occurs the same problem. Recently installed the 3.4.2 version and still occurs the problem. Are you ready to envision the upgrade to 11.04? I say upgrade in quotes because my own experience with upgrading left me with a somewhat broken system due to the roll-out of the Unity GUI as a major change to Gnome (not an issue for you if you're a KDE or XFCE user). I ended up totally backing-up and re-installing my system, but then everything was back to normal. Then you'd have an Ubuntu-integrated LibO and might have resolved the problem. If not, you might also post to the Ubuntu user's list, too, to see if anyone has any ideas. But I'm not sure what issues might have crept in with the installing/de-installing of the PPA version and installing 3.4.2 over the top. By the way, if you install 11.04, you'll get 3.3.2, which is not the leading edge like 3.4.2 but is perhaps a better bet for you. -- David Nelson -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: QUESTION: Libreoffice documents constantly need recovery
Ubuntu just blows. It's going to get worse, not better with time. They have an overriding design constraint which ensures disaster. MUST FIT ON ONE CD. This leads to forcing shared images on things which SHOULD NOT use them and a boat load of untested code in each release. God forbid you ever try and install the KDE desktop with your default Gnome desktop. Less than half of everything will continue to work. Absolute zero multi-desktop testing occurs because they bust things up. With OpenSuSE 11.4 I can switch between KDE and GNOME on a whim and know it was all tested. On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 23:13 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) A clean install of Ubuntu 11.04 should do the trick. Going for a dual-boot or multi-boot is a lot easier than it sounds. The standard install process usually gives you the option in the Partitioning Section. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd standard option out of about 4 options on that page. The 4th option gets a bit technical but you can always click on the Back button if it's too complicated and then change to one of the standard 2 or 3 options. I think you could handle it tho. Regards from Tom :) From: Juan Carlos juanzeppe...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 19:48:30 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: QUESTION: Libreoffice documents constantly need recovery Well, after read all the possible solutions, finally I decided to install Ubuntu 11.04 (a clean installation) and reinstall LO. I hope this fix the problem. Thanks to all who shared their opinions. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/QUESTION-Libreoffice-documents-constantly-need-recovery-tp2515584p3226318.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: QUESTION: Libreoffice documents constantly need recovery
Move to OpenSuSE. Your life will be a lot better. Ubuntu has lost its way. On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 07:00 +0300, David Nelson wrote: Hi Juan, On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Juan Carlos juanzeppe...@hotmail.com wrote: I use ubuntu 10.10, which contains openoffice for default, so I had to de-install it and download the deb packages from libreoffice.org. Also I tried to download and install it from the PPA (ppa:libreoffice/ppa) and occurs the same problem. Recently installed the 3.4.2 version and still occurs the problem. Are you ready to envision the upgrade to 11.04? I say upgrade in quotes because my own experience with upgrading left me with a somewhat broken system due to the roll-out of the Unity GUI as a major change to Gnome (not an issue for you if you're a KDE or XFCE user). I ended up totally backing-up and re-installing my system, but then everything was back to normal. Then you'd have an Ubuntu-integrated LibO and might have resolved the problem. If not, you might also post to the Ubuntu user's list, too, to see if anyone has any ideas. But I'm not sure what issues might have crept in with the installing/de-installing of the PPA version and installing 3.4.2 over the top. By the way, if you install 11.04, you'll get 3.3.2, which is not the leading edge like 3.4.2 but is perhaps a better bet for you. -- David Nelson -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] IBM Donates Lotus Symphony Source Code to the Apache OpenOffice Project
Try KOffice.or as it is now called Calligra. It will be bundled with most major distros next release. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra_Suite On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 20:18 -0400, Paul W wrote: Why don't all the OOo devs just come to TDF? I mean isn't this further splitting up the community? What I want to see is a single powerful office suite to kill Microsoft. I want to see them buried. I want to see a free, open product that is perfect in it's seamlessness, transparency and ease of use. I hope LO is the one to do it. We need to kick some ass! On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 6:06 PM, John B jo...@email2.me wrote: Hi As a disgruntled Lotus Smart Suite user, abandoned by IBM as are the Lotus Amipro users, I am well aware of the link between Symphony OOo, as one reduced its support for LSS, so did the other one. In fact IBM have now turned its back permanently on LSS and not so surprisingly in Windows so has OOo; with still thousands and thousands of requests (pleads) for IBM not to do so (there is one request for compatibility - requested some 15,000 times). Whilst at the same time, LO increases its support - all praise to LO I understand from reading the on-line guessing politics that IBM will at some point bring out a Paid for version, to link into Lotus Notes, so is this the Price OOo have had to pay to get IBM's blue interface:- the cost of not being LSS compatible - Hold this space! Beside, IBM's Symphony hardly stood as an office suit with only 3 programs - and it was far to buggy for me. I am very happy for LO to stay on course. regards John B --**--** --** On 17/07/2011 22:01, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) My emails are just my own opinion. I'm not even a proper member yet! Regards from Tom :) __**__ From: Andy Browna...@the-martin-byrd.net** To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 17 July, 2011 20:23:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] IBM Donates Lotus Symphony Source Code to the Apache OpenOffice Project Luuk wrote: http://www-03.ibm.com/**software/lotus/symphony/buzz.** nsf/web_DisPlayPlugin?open**unid=**955E9C0EC712EC47852578CD0063A2** 09category=announcementshttp://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/buzz.nsf/web_DisPlayPlugin?openunid=955E9C0EC712EC47852578CD0063A209category=announcements s Is it time for the LO-developers to get back with OpenOffice too ? In a word, no. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+help@global.libreoffice.**orgusers%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmaster@documentfoundation. **org postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] automatic updates?
While Windows users may think that is a wonderful thing, for _every other platform_ that is a very bad idea, and even verbotten by many distros. On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 16:08 -0400, Paul W wrote: Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion. Again, like firefox. It's about time this great FOSS project went big time. I'd like to see this thing take over. That requires a seamless, transparent user experience. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] automatic updates?
It only works on Windows, the most insecure platform on the planet. Every other platform requires updates to be pushed through their normal distribution system. On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 17:13 -0400, Paul W wrote: I think one day LO will have auto update. I guess it requires more resources than they can handle right now?... On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 07/16/2011 04:18 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2011/7/16 Paul Wpawi...@gmail.com: Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion. Again, like firefox. It's about time this great FOSS project went big time. I'd like to see this thing take over. That requires a seamless, transparent user experience. That will never happen. It's like banging your head into a brick-wall when making suggestions. You will probably be told that you are stupid, coming up with a suggestion like that… I'll be happy if I am wrong, though. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ I think that I just read: I am not saying that you are an idiot, but when you do that, you are likely to be called one. I almost soiled myself. I expected to see an answer more like: Automatic update is difficult to get right, and it frequently fails for me. Yes, even with Firefox. Lately, firefox has been pretty reliable in the last few months, but in the past year, I have had it fail to update automatically on multiple platforms. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+help@global.libreoffice.**orgusers%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmaster@documentfoundation. **org postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] What is an Office Package?
People have been poking at this from different angles based upon what they want, and what they think LibreOffice is or should be. Putting it bluntly, they are all incorrect. When you work in IT for a significant length of time and reach the Architect or procurement level there is a single definition which has existed LONG BEFORE MS OFFICE EVER CAME OUT. In that world, and Office package is defined as follows: A standardized bundle of software, that, when installed with the base operating system on a desktop allows a corporate worker to do at least 90% of their job. This definition has existed since the days of DOS before we even hand reliable networks in corporate offices. The bundle varies company to company. Believe it or not, it used to include PC-TOOLS and WordPerfect at most shops then. After it became determined that each user needed Internet access the package requirements became: Browser email word processor Calendar tool drawing program Spreadsheet database reporting tool Some companies add presentation tool to the list, only because MS forces that down their throat and sells them Visio for extra money. The more highly integrated these tools are, the easier it is to bring on new users because the keystrokes will be the same, and, they can share a common contact database with more robust features. The KOffice project understood this. OpenOffice explains why SUN went bankrupt. They wanted to show off Java, fine, but they left out most of the package. LibreOffice is in the same boat. The only one really benefiting from OO and LO right now is IBM because they bundle their Symphony package into Lotus Notes with full integration. The Notes environment provides all of the missing Office pieces. KOffice has had a fork and is now Calligra. http://www.ask.com/wiki/Calligra_Suite http://www.calligra-suite.org/ I am somewhat shocked they haven't pulled KMail and Kalendar into the package. One thing is certain. As Qt continues to expand its application framework, there will be less and less of the KDE libs needed which will make it easier for Calligra to continue supporting all of the platforms it supports. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: What is an Office Package?
Your bottom posting equates to the IQ of your logic. I was there for Visicalc and DOS had nothing to do with it. Visicalc had its Heyday on CPM and the Commodore Super Pet. Visicalc followed CPM into oblivion replaced by many DOS based contenders until Lotus 123 ruled the corporate desktop around 1986 give or take. Office Automation needs have changed. Today, a Browser is part of the Standard Corporate Desktop. Some day you might, though I have strong doubts, become educated enough to actually know something about which you type. For the past decade and a half corporate America has been embracing SOA (Services Oriented Architecture) of which I've published a highly regarded book on, where legacy/heritage data silos are exposed via internal and external Web pages. Bottom posters contribute so little to societyyour remark dissing the troops proves that your parents should have chosen abortion over birth. On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 21:54 -0400, David H. Lipman wrote: From: Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com People have been poking at this from different angles based upon what they want, and what they think LibreOffice is or should be. Putting it bluntly, they are all incorrect. When you work in IT for a significant length of time and reach the Architect or procurement level there is a single definition which has existed LONG BEFORE MS OFFICE EVER CAME OUT. In that world, and Office package is defined as follows: A standardized bundle of software, that, when installed with the base operating system on a desktop allows a corporate worker to do at least 90% of their job. This definition has existed since the days of DOS before we even hand reliable networks in corporate offices. The bundle varies company to company. Believe it or not, it used to include PC-TOOLS and WordPerfect at most shops then. After it became determined that each user needed Internet access the package requirements became: Browser email word processor Calendar tool drawing program Spreadsheet database reporting tool Some companies add presentation tool to the list, only because MS forces that down their throat and sells them Visio for extra money. The more highly integrated these tools are, the easier it is to bring on new users because the keystrokes will be the same, and, they can share a common contact database with more robust features. The KOffice project understood this. OpenOffice explains why SUN went bankrupt. They wanted to show off Java, fine, but they left out most of the package. LibreOffice is in the same boat. The only one really benefiting from OO and LO right now is IBM because they bundle their Symphony package into Lotus Notes with full integration. The Notes environment provides all of the missing Office pieces. snip One thing is certain. As Qt continues to expand its application framework, there will be less and less of the KDE libs needed which will make it easier for Calligra to continue supporting all of the platforms it supports. Your logic is a bubble off plumb. We were doing DOS based SpreadSheets (ex: VisiCalc) long before MOSAIC and the ARPANET becoming main stream. Browser part of an Office Suite - NO. Office automation needs have changed. Let us not forget Today's need for digital forms and workflow. You wrote... No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. No but they have lost their lives so you can make stupid political statements like that. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
The pathetic draw tool MS had before purchasing another company was actually part of office for a while. Now it usually only comes bundled with Corporate and super professional versions. They found people would pay for a drawing program. KOffice includes a pretty good drawing program bundled as well...much better than Visio. On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 10:20 -0500, T. R. Valentine wrote: I can understand why software companies expand software products to do more and more things (to justify new versions, to convince chumps to 'upgrade', and to push other software companies out of the picture), but I do not understand those who buy into such a process with its accompanying bloat. I want to choose the product which is best for my needs in each area where I have a need for an application. If, for instance, I use web-based e-mail, I have no need for an office suite which includes an e-mail function and I neither want to spend the money nor waste hard drive space for such a 'feature'. The worst expansions-into-bloat are what used to be anti-virus products which now try to be firewalls, anti-spam, anti-whatever-you-might-not-want, etc. But Microsoft Office isn't all that far behind. I'm actually surprised they haven't rolled Visio into the suite. (Or have they and I didn't notice?) -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] No longer printing to Postscript level 2 printer
OpenSuSE 11.4 64-bit all patches and updates applied. Just tried to print first a subset of pages, then the entire document to my Lexmark Optra S 1855 which has been working just fine as Postscript Level 2 printer on this machine. All other applications print to it just fine. Nothing comes out from libreoffice. LibreOffice 3.3.3 OOO330m19 (Build:301) tag libreoffice-3.3.3.1 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support
. . No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3736 - Release Date: 06/30/11 13:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3736 - Release Date: 06/30/11 13:34:00 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3130569.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
It's an extremely crippled RTF specification to be sure. If RTF is what you really need you would be much better off looking at either AbiWord or KWord. On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.
The problem is that the programmers _never_ test with the extensions, so, when they make changes, the extensions quit working. Then the maintainer quits maintaining the extension. You want a shining example? Download, install, and try the SUN Weblog Publisher. On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 02:18 -0400, planas wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 21:40 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 06/18/2011 07:52 PM, planas wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:39 +0200, lee wrote: planasjsloz...@gmail.com writes: snip There you go: When you need a particular feature, you must have it. When you need it, it is totally irrelevant how often you or other users use it. How often a feature is used and/or how many users use it doesn´t say anything about how important the feature is. When someone needs it, it has to be there. I would disagree, it takes time to code and debug a feature that is very rarely used by a small number users. These features may better added as extension. The problem is where to draw the line and say this one is included and this one will be a possible extension. snip I think that the use of Extensions for the functions that are not used very often [or rarely], or by few users, is the way to go. I see some old extensions that were created to add functions before they were added to the package. If there is a need for a function for Calc, Draw, Writer, etc., then maybe creating an extension is the proper route to go. There is a movement to make a replacement for Oracle's report builder extension. I do not think anyone would tell you they would want that report builder a default, internal, function of LibreOffice. That type of function is useful as an extension. To be honest, you could make a lot of the seldom used or rare functions or options into extensions so the user can pick and choose to add it to their LibreOffice install. Just like all the language dictionaries, if you do not need Lower Sorbian than you do not need it built into the package. When you do need it, then install the dictionary extension for it. My thoughts were to allow extensions for very specialized needs that only a few users need or want. I sometimes think there should be a method of proposing possible features and selecting those that will included. How this should be done I do not have suggestion at the moment. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later and see what a word processor was supposed to be. On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 23:20 +0200, Zak McKracken wrote: Am 17.06.2011, 16:20 Uhr, schrieb Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. Hmm... I'm not actually sure what this WordPro feature looks like (never seen WordPro in action), but maybe there are ways to achieve something similar in LibreOffce: - simplest: Use headings to navigate longer documents. Not suitable for filed letters and stuff, but for longer documents with chapters very nice. You get a chapter list in the navigator (F5) and can jump between them. - also simple way to view different parts of the same document at once: Window - New window This opens a new window for the same window, the contents are identical, but you can view different parts of the document at the same time. - Use different regions for different tabs. Insert-region Each region can have different page or column layouts,and so on, but will share format and page templates. Also, the navigator shows different regions, and you can jump between them - Use a global document (see also LO help for Global documents). You can have several documents and link them into one global document. There, they share the same format templates, the single documents are displayed as regions, and they can (but do not have to) be read-only. A doubleclick opens the original file for editing. So you could link all documents regarding one client/case into one global document, so you can print them all at once, or skip through them quickly or whatever it is you do with those documents. Global documents are also nice for very large pieces of work (books or image-heavy documents. You can edit the single parts independently, without having to load and handle the whole monster at once, then look at it in all its glory in the global document. You can even create a new sub-document from within the global document (but you'll need to give it a filename) All of this is probably not the same you're used to having, and porting existing docs over is not likely easy. but it might work to achieve a similar effect as the one you're describing. ... but why are you posting this in the SVG embedding thread? :) Zak -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc not Base
While it may be counter intiutive, it is not a bug. There is only one Java class library which does something close to an adequate job when it comes to DBF files, and that is the xBaseJ class library which I wrote a book about. Despite calling dbf a standard there IS ABSOLUTELY NO XBASE STANDARD. While there are some overlapping similarities due to the fact they all stole code from the Jet Propulsion Lab to start with, each flavor has different limitations, defaults, and characteristics. This is especially true with indexes and memo fields. http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/The-Minimum-You-Need-to-Know-About-Java-and-xBaseJ The book is completely free. Pull it down and read up. This class library was also the only active project on SourceForge, so LibreOffice may want to include it to get DBF access for BASE. Don't quote me, but, as I remember, BASE had to have a Java plug-in to connect to a database entity. java-postgres-blah-blah java-mysql-blah-blah etc. There is no java-dbf-blah-blah because there is no dbf server. On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:48 +0100, John B wrote: Hi The standard for many years for Database files was *.dbf (dBase) and I have many. It is very strange that in LibreOffice this opens up in Calc and not Base, no matter how I try to force it. Calc is simply not good enough to handle Database files. This is also confirmed in the File Open lists:- dBase(.dbf) is listed in Calc and it is absent from Base Is this a bug - have I missed something ? regards John B Windows XP Pro Sp3 LibreOffice 3.4 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this +1990's +1991 Contracts (then a single tab 12/03/91 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John Bjo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 19:34:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear John, uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! Grin Actually, the they I refer to is every other word processor on the face of the planet. I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the next OS/machine upgrade. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for Cold Guinness. I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought of course, it was like a Eureka moment. Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names each time you send a new letter such a fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office. I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM thanks John B -- On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this +1990's +1991 Contracts (then a single tab 12/03/91 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear John, It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate sub documents which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from the parent/enclosing document. Each subdocument has its own flags to support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the file specification. Between the above programming change and the tabbed document specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely portable. First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. Then we have to make documents 100% portable. Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do I know!). Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a bloat on. My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? Calling all bolt on programmers! regards John -- On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: Dear John, uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!Grin Actually, the they I refer to is every other word processor on the face of the planet. I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the next OS/machine upgrade. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for Cold Guinness. I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought of course, it was like a Eureka moment. Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names each time you send a new letter such a fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office. I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM thanks John B -- On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.
Very few people know this, but OS/2 Warp was light years ahead of current Windows products with its speech technology. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 17:55 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 6/17/2011 5:12 PM, planas wrote: The current problem is we do not have any good information of what features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible features should be available beyond those that are important. One of the problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed at the same time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of time. For example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents in my documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many people need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I do not know. this reminds be of a conversation I had with Microsoft people back in 2000. I'm disabled, I use speech recognition and quite frankly liberated office is not terribly speech recognition friendly (including its name). The conversation I was having with Microsoft was about speech enabling Microsoft Word. They kept coming up with these really huge unmanageable grammars to try and make every GUI elements accessible. I said but I only use 10% of word to which they replied so does everybody else. The problem is they all use a different 10% I don't know if it's comfort to know that you're suffering from the same problems as Microsoft Word and there really isn't a very good way to solve the problem. What I do in a speech interface is I try very hard to isolate grammars based on context and maybe that's the kind of thing you need to do. Yes, you will have cases where you have two ways of saying the same thing in two different contexts but it can't be helped. and for what it's worth, to do good speech user interface (i.e. not something nuance gives you), it's becoming apparent to me that you need a backdoor interface giving read/write access to all GUI/plug-in accessible data. Then the speech user interface can present the information and operations in a UI appropriate context. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Native MySQL-connection
There are flags that you need to set. Do a search on-line. In OpenSuSE you set them with YAST, I forget where you set them with Ubuntu. /tmp is only cleaned at system boot, when it should be empty. Ubuntu has a lot of bugs with respect to cleaning of /tmp at system boot. It basically doesn't work if /tmp is on a different disk drive than the system disk. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 21:25 +0200, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi Roland, I use Debian-Squeeze at the moment. Having spent too much time already doing things where I don't understand all the possible ramifications - I hesitate to delete /tmp. Is it o.k. for sure to do so or might I hurt something in doing so down in the depth of Linux? Regards H On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:58:52 +0200, Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com wrote: I don't think it is a bug...I'm willing to bet the connector you have is for a different version of MySQL or a different version of the client. What distribution are you using? Not all Linux distros delete /tmp on boot. You need to ensure that your distro is deleting /tmp on boot, delete the user directory, REBOOT, then try your MySQL thing. OpenSuSE does not delete /tmp by default to speed booting. Ubuntu has a lot of bugs and only deletes it randomly under certain situations. A lot of stuff, especially for uno it appears, gets left out in /tmp. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 18:57 +0200, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi Tom, For me, the suggestion to delete the user directory did not work. The weird thing is that when downloading and then trying to activate the mysql-connector, I get the message that loading mysqlc.uno.so failed. That module is present in the directory mentioned in the message. As I mentioned before - I have gone over to usinge odbc and I am quite happy doing so. I hope that some time in the future somebody cleverer than me will fix the bug... Regards H On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:27:06 +0200, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: /home/user/.libreoffice/3/user -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Native MySQL-connection
I stand corrected. I had forgotten Oracle purchased SUN and SUN had purchased MySQL. My information was correct up until 2009. Now you have to use MariaDB if you want the community version of MySQL. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 06:38 -0700, Nuzhna Pomoshch wrote: --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com wrote: MySQL is NOT owned by Oracle. WTF? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysql#Corporate_backing_history Nuzhna -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer 3.4.0 --- basic .doc/.odt files not understood properly by MS Office 2010
Wasn't an argument, it was the truth. If the message doesn't show up in the little window without my having to scroll, it gets nuked and the poster, in most cases, kill-filed in the genetically obsolete file. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 10:01 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Probably best to avoid this argument about top vs bottom posting again!! Some of the old-boys and vital devs might get upset again! Please, lets try to minimise such arguments from now on. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message From: At0mic atomicbutterfl...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 2:41:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer 3.4.0 --- basic .doc/.odt files not understood properly by MS Office 2010 I'm using Nabble to read this (much prefer forum style - mailing lists don't appear to have much benefit over forums nowadays), so I don't know any other way to post. Nick. Roland Hughes wrote: That's because you top-post where everybody instinctively looks. Had you bottom-posted the email would have been ignored. On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 18:11 -0700, At0mic wrote: OK thanks to all. Looks like the version change works without complaint in Office 2010. I should also accept mea culpa in not reading the release notes first, as this would have exposed the problem to me earlier. I am amazed at how quickly responses came through though, impressive! Thankyou all. Nick. Tom Davies wrote: Good work and interesting :) You can change which ODF Format Version LibreOffice uses by going to the Tools menu Tools - Options - Load/Save - General - ODF Format Version and change the drop-down from 1.2 Extended to 1.0/1.1. Thanks Dennis, regards all from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-Writer-3-4-0-basic-doc-odt-files-not-understood-properly-by-MS-Office-2010-tp3023234p3025204.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-Writer-3-4-0-basic-doc-odt-files-not-understood-properly-by-MS-Office-2010-tp3023234p3025225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Native MySQL-connection
I don't think it is a bug...I'm willing to bet the connector you have is for a different version of MySQL or a different version of the client. What distribution are you using? Not all Linux distros delete /tmp on boot. You need to ensure that your distro is deleting /tmp on boot, delete the user directory, REBOOT, then try your MySQL thing. OpenSuSE does not delete /tmp by default to speed booting. Ubuntu has a lot of bugs and only deletes it randomly under certain situations. A lot of stuff, especially for uno it appears, gets left out in /tmp. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 18:57 +0200, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Hi Tom, For me, the suggestion to delete the user directory did not work. The weird thing is that when downloading and then trying to activate the mysql-connector, I get the message that loading mysqlc.uno.so failed. That module is present in the directory mentioned in the message. As I mentioned before - I have gone over to usinge odbc and I am quite happy doing so. I hope that some time in the future somebody cleverer than me will fix the bug... Regards H On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:27:06 +0200, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: /home/user/.libreoffice/3/user -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?
Not only that, but that group is also the only ones bottom posting. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 21:10 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:05:45AM +0200, James Wilde wrote: Personally I think mailing lists are so last century and nerdy, and that we should be using a forum which non-technical users like Which is precisely the reason I dislike forums. Way too many brainless questions from users (and I use the term loosely) who barely know how to turn on their computer. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4 install errors
It's a Ubuntu bug if I remember correctly. Something which got hosed with one of the updates having to do with fonts. A later update makes it go away. On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 01:00 -0700, Tinker wrote: Doing a new install of 3.4 , 64 bit on Xubuntu I get these errors - Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'fonts/package' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Are these important? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/3-4-install-errors-tp3022562p3022562.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] More fonts
LibreOffice really needs to bundle the fonts from the t1-cyrillic debian package with it. Yes, the Liberation font family has the U.N. behind it, but the free font family found in the t1 package, especially Free Times, is some of the easiest reading and best looking free fonts out there. I've published several books using Free Times. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 08:55 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Ok, in Ubuntu 10.04 it's probably easiest to use the Synaptic Package Manager System - Administration - Synaptic because it allows you to get specific components of programs and things. The command-line might not be immediately obvious and the Software Centre is more about entire programs rather than add-ons and stuff. Use either search-tool to find ttf-mscorefonts-installer or the slightly older name msttcorefonts Installing either of those gives you about 6 of the basic MS fonts. You have to agree to their EULA this way and the fonts are just the basic MS ones; Arial, Times New Roman, Verdana, Comic Sans errr i think webdings(?!). I think Webmaster at Kracked Press has a huge variety of each of those on copy-left agreements (OpenSource, Free ones) and could help you put them in the right place. One of the advantages with the packages i mention is that they look exactly the same and have exactly the same names in Windows, also the one package does all the work for you to get all 6 sorted fairly neatly. Regards from Tom :) From: dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm To: users@libreoffice.org; users@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 3 June, 2011 2:22:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] More fonts On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:13 +0100, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Which Operating System are you using; a Windows, Ubuntu, other linux, Mac or a Bsd? Tom, I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on 386 platform. Thanks, Dave -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?
Forums are far more useful as a help database than 1970s mailing list archives ever will be. Forums allow problems and threads to have statuses, such as SOLVED. They also allow the original poster and/or the host to flag the message which actually solved the problem. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 08:20 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/3/11 3:05 AM, James Wilde wrote: Personally I think mailing lists are so last century and nerdy, and that we should be using a forum which non-technical users like OH, how I hate forums. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.7 Firefox 3.6.17 Thunderbird 3.1.10 LibreOffice 3.3.2 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?
Mono projects are the projects I'm currently writing a geek book on. It is the realization by Bill Gates that Microsoft will be dust in the computer archives very soon, like Singer, Wang, and Microsoft Bob. C# and much of DOT NOT has been ported to the Linux platform with much of the funding of that port coming from BG/MS along with the internal C# DOT NOT documentation. Currently much of LibreOffice is written in Java, but much of OpenSuSE and Gnome is being written in Mono. KDE is written in C++ using Qt. There are now Qt extensions/libraries for Java and Mono because Qt4 really rocks and Qt4 is the base library for all Nokia smart phone development. IBM's Lotus Symphony is based upon OO and the Eclipse project. They have been trying to merge back in their changes, but, with all of the bust up, that merge doesn't seem to be happening. Eventually, the OpenSource office suite which wins out will need to be natively compiled because the p-compiled products consume way too many resources on smaller platforms. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:20 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/3/11 9:55 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: People who really know [and thus use] a product aren't going to troll a forum for questions [forums are a you-must-go-look model]. You need to reach to them - which means e-mail [e-mail goes to the user's INBOX, it is right there with his/her other stuff]. I equally hate mailing lists. :-( Neither system works well for me, I find them hard to follow. I use gmane.org to follow the LO mailing list, and use Thunderbird to access it. The newsgroup format/style/method of delivering the info works best for me. Of course the Mono projects, with their list / forum integration offers the ideal solution. Wish more projects would do that. Mono projects? I'm unfamiliar with those. A quick explanation would be appreciated. Even via email if it would be too far off topic. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.7 Firefox 3.6.17 Thunderbird 3.1.10 LibreOffice 3.3.2 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?
Well, I've yet to see a forum where you couldn't scroll through the list of questions posted. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 12:04 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/3/11 11:05 AM, Roland Hughes wrote: Forums are far more useful as a help database than 1970s mailing list archives ever will be. Forums allow problems and threads to have statuses, such as SOLVED. They also allow the original poster and/or the host to flag the message which actually solved the problem. But I find the much harder to use to find information I'm interested in. Searching is always problematic for me. I seem to use the word bucket for X when almost everyone else uses pail. :-) That seems to fall short of being user friendly for me. Plus, I have to spend the time forming the questions. I really like the newsgroup format, where I can simply scroll through the subjects and then read what I find interesting, and actually learn something new, rather than waiting until I have a problem that I need solved. As you probably read in my other post, I don't like the true mailing list format either, but gmane.org solves that for me. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.7 Firefox 3.6.17 Thunderbird 3.1.10 LibreOffice 3.3.2 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.0
Any word on when this new version will roll through the OpenSuSE repositories? We are currently at 3.3.2. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:16 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Heinrich, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote (03-06-11 22:02) I just downloaded the Linux-deb-Version of 3.4.0-final. The various files still show rc2 in their name. Is this o.k.? Yes it is. (I have seen some discussion if that can be changed for future versions without too much trouble. But cannot tell if there is any solution already.) Best, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is this list unmoderated?
Thanks for the link! On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:57 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 12:59 -0500, Roland Hughes wrote: Well, I've yet to see a forum where you couldn't scroll through the list of questions posted. See the *amazing* unified forum/list system available at http://go-mono.com/forums/ -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable error...
I would wager you have that flagged to be used to increase Windows performance (laugh hysterically for half an hour) My wager would be flagging the card to be used that way somehow hoses the definition of TMP while Windows consumes the entire thing for local swap space. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:23 -0400, Jeff Prater wrote: I'm installing LibreOffice 3.4.0 on a Windows 7 x64 machine. When the MS Visual C++ Redistributable installer runs, I get this errpr: Out of disk space -- Volume 'f:' required space: 1,732 KB; available space: 0 KB. Free some disk space and retry. I don't know why it's trying to install to F:--that's a memory card reader drive. Is this a LibO problem or a MS problem? Thanks! -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Top/Bottom Posting Nonsense
+1 On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 02:18 -0500, Rob Smith wrote: I have never seen so many so-called adults whining like bullied kids over a subject that, in the greater scheme of the next Millenia doesn't mean squat! I used to use a KayPro 16 to compute on, and even accessed a BBS with it using a 9600 Baud modem. Would I do so today because that's how it used to be done? Not a chance! Most of the younger folks I know (I'm a dinosaur at almost 60) top post by default, because in a Microsoft world, that is what they learned. Right, wrong, or indifferent, it's the way things are today. If you want to go back to the way things were done in the good old days, I hate to break it to you, but time always moves forward, and the only constant is change. If you truly believe that limiting access to the Open Source community only to folks who do things in one particular way will grow that community, you might want to get a reality check. If you think that all this infighting will help the community grow, you are wrong. If you cannot adapt and change today, you will be left in the dust with the rest of computing's dinosaurs. After recently hearing a talk on LibreOffice at an Open Source software conference, I decided to give it a try, replacing the OpenOffice install that came standard on my Ubuntu Linux LTS desktops. I joined this list in case I would need some assistance with an issue. I have seen more petty bickering on this one non-issue over the past several days than I have seen people helped. I've always been led to believe that Open Source was all about freedom, but there are some folks here who just don't seem to give a damn about that, and their main focus is to make sure that all the automatons do as they are told. Unlike some, I DO know how to unsubscribe, and I also know how to uninstall, both of which I am going to do! There are other choices out there, and LibreOffice needs users more then users need LibreOffice. THAT is the fact Jack! GROW UP! -- Rob Smith -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: top and bottom - again. was (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: new article - with quote from TDF.......)
True Scott, Back in the 1980s business leaders around the world standardized on top posting leaving the full message intact because each and every message had the possibility of going to someone else when it came back. All of the commercial email readers (not just mickey mouse, but Lotus mail from/by IBM) migrated to top posting by default BECAUSE THAT WAS CHOSEN BY INDUSTRY LEADERS TO BE THE INDUSTRY PRACTICE. Yes, we still have a few relics of a by-gone era whining and sniveling that one should properly trim like Glenn Beck and Fox News to completely change the meaning of sentences taken out of context so they can add meaning to their own little worlds, but the industry has moved on. Top-posting has been the standard since the late 1980s when all of the commercial email readers switched. All of the young IT workers have been pointing and laughing at the sniveling of an aging and dying minority demanding we go back to the standards of the 1970s and 300 baud modems. Back to the standard which was developed when a 1.2Meg removable hard drive pack cost $10,000. Today, at Tiger Direct, you can buy an internal 1TB hard drive for $59...$69 if you miss the current sale. While there may be a few people in the U.S. still on dial up, unless they are unemployed or on a seriously fixed income, there is no excuse for it. For around $60/month Verizon has wireless broadband plans that let you have 5Gig of high speed traffic each month. This is a vast improvement from the HughesNet (formerly DirecPC) satellite service I used to pay $100/month for and endure 100Meg/day limit. Satellite Internet service is available world wide, even in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Wireless broadband follows the cell phone markets. While you may not have access to 4G speed and bandwidth, you will have access to speeds far faster than dial up. On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 09:48 +0100, e-letter wrote: Mike Scott Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:25:20 -0700 On 01/06/11 18:08, Tom Davies wrote: Hi, At least it seems to be people that have a good relationship with TDF. Good work Florian and all :) Regards from Tom :) From: Alexander Thurgoodalex.thurg...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 1 June, 2011 17:52:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: new article - with quote from TDF steering committee member Italo Vignoli Le 01/06/11 17:20, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : Hi, UPDATE: Sources tell me that Apache has decided to take on OpenOffice. I expect to see the official word come out this week. It may be as early as tomorrow. sjvn--3:42 PM Eastern, May 31, 2011. unquote Well the word is out already, see Florian's post on the announcement mailing list. ASF it is - oh what fun !! Alex This is utterly absurd. I don't mind whether people top or bottom post, although I do have a preference. Deliberately mixing them just to make a point (and this isn't the only example) is plain stupid and /totally/ wrecks any flow of the contained messages. The beauty of these mailing list archives is that in time, the futility of those involved in this bizarre topic will become apparent. As someone wrote, it is hilarious and some people may never recover from total loss of credibility. I was going to plonk the culprit(s), but that would still leave the messy replies. It's easier to unsubscribe; which means I'll be sticking with OOo at least for now, when I was seriously intending to switch. Clock up loss of one potential user, at least for now. And ask how many others are put off by the selfish and thoughtless attitude displayed by some here. Don't know what plonking is but one should not be discouraged to use the software by the foolish comments of others. Haven't used LO much personally but have at least been surprised by the ease of installation. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: top and bottom - again. was (Re: Re: new article - with quote from TDF.......)
Ken, I have always lived on a remote farm. Until satellite came along with DirectPC, I used to have to spend $300/month on dial up just to check email. Not only was dial-up the only game in town, every ISP was long distance. Switching to satellite the day it was available was a no brainer. It is true that there are more people on dial-up than one suspects in the U.S. In many cases they are simply stubborn. One of my Aunts would be a prime example. Where she lives she can have cable or satellite TV, but she has an antenna. She has a choice of cable, wireless broadband, DSL, and ADSL for Internet, yet chooses dial-up. I suspect you would have better signal if you changed cell carriers. Those maps lie. Verizon is the worst company on the face of the planet to work for (with the possible exception of Walmart), but its 3G and wireless network does cover 90% of the geographic U.S. All other nationwide carriers only cover about 20% of the country. That being as it may. There is a massive push mandated by state and federal governments for all phone carriers to upgrade all switches around the country to provide at a minimum ADSL service. Even the lowly little switch in the town of less than 300 people which provides my local phone service got a brand new fibre channel cable trenched to it. The switch is way down on the waiting list for upgrade...but...I believe the carriers only have until the end of 2012...just like when the government mandated the elimination of rotary dial switches and party lines. FWIW, the government body which compiles Internet statistics has stated that they are going to remove from counting dial-up access customers because they could not obtain the minimum bandwidth necessary for most services these days. On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:26 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/2/11 9:17 AM, Roland Hughes wrote: Hi, Roland, No personal insults, hits, bad vibes, etc. are intended, but here's some points you may not have considered. While there may be a few people in the U.S. still on dial up, I think that depends on the number of people, percentage wise if you prefer, that you associate with the word few. :-) Personally, I think there are far more people (numerically) still on dial up than many people think. My view may be a bit skewed, as I do live in an area where many people, *if* they can afford a computer, only have the dialup option. unless they are unemployed or on a seriously fixed income, there is no excuse for it. You can be employed and not be able to afford it, sadly. Between the two of us, we could probably come up with at least 25 valid scenarios where the high speed option is not possible or even valid and supportable. For around $60/month Verizon has wireless broadband plans that let you have 5Gig of high speed traffic each month.This is a vast improvement from the HughesNet (formerly DirecPC) satellite service I used to pay $100/month for and endure 100Meg/day limit. Until about a month ago, dialup and satellite were the only games in town. Satellite Internet service is available world wide, even in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Wireless broadband follows the cell phone markets. While you may not have access to 4G speed and bandwidth, you will have access to speeds far faster than dial up. While it may be technologically available in Pakistan and Afghanistan (just using your examples, but I'm speaking worldwide generally), how far away is the tech to install your dish and fix your problems? :-) When it comes to our perspective of availability, we often think of that as a percentage of the population, when we should be including the geographical component also. I have a cell phone, but rarely use it since I have no signal. So, I'm counted as part of the population that has a cell phone, but I don't have access to it. Do you see the difference? Web page designers don't help either when it comes to accessing and using the internet. :-( But, that's another topic. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.7 Firefox 3.6.17 Thunderbird 3.1.10 LibreOffice 3.3.2 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Is this list unmoderated?
top posting has been the industry standard since the late 1980s. On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 08:47 +1000, Simon Cropper wrote: On 03/06/11 04:18, PLO wrote: So I was just curious, is this an unmoderated list? It appears so. At the moment I am considering creating my own personal blacklist of users to try and quieten down the off topic dribble. The alternative is to unsubscribe but I would hate to loose the insight of others or have someone else go wanting because I left the list. The links at the bottom of this page direct you to the posting guidelines. They are short and sweet... How to write a good mail? Just write a mail, You would like to read from very top to very bottom line by line. - Write what You would like to see - delete, what You wouldn't like to see - keep an attitude You would like to face - write a style You would like to read The following links lead to information which help You achieve the above. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette In short they say do what you think is appropriate. There appears to be only one rule -- read from very top to very bottom line by line or putting it colloquially bottom post or inline comments are ok, top posting is out. I vote for moderators to end these off-topic tirades, This morning I count 3 or more threads with multiple emails arguing the same points regarding NetEquitte. Only one person actually answered a question. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OT Top/Bottom posting
There is good reason, beyond SOX, that most commercial and non-commercial email clients default to top-posting. It's required in the vast majority of corporations around the world. http://www.ask.com/wiki/Posting_style For a long time the traditional style was to post the answer below as much of the quoted original as was necessary to understand the reply (bottom or inline). Many years later, when email became widespread in business communication, it became a widespread policy to reply above the entire original and leave it untouched below the reply. ... Top-posting has always been the standard format for forwarding a message to a third party; in which case the comments at the top (if any) are a cover note for the recipient. ... Customer service e-mail practices, in particular, often require that all points be addressed in a clear manner without quoting, while the original e-mail message may be included as an attachment. On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 23:30 +, toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31/05/2011 17:16, Lindsay Graham wrote: Ah, but neither of us would *ever *need to page down to see the current post if we both top-posted. Instead, I have to page down, and read the entire post, to try to figure out what you are responding to, and get the context of that reply. So instead of zipping thru twenty emails per minute, I only go through two or three emails per minute. You cannot claim, in a general context, that there is there is a *proper* way of using one's mail client. Actually, I do make that claim. Intermixed quotes are the proper way to do things, because that is the only format in which the context the reply being made can be readily ascertained. jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN5XoVAAoJEERA7YuLpVrVFG4H/0Mx/+SZKodikKx/aXWrXPMG DQn53ZFZZSr64UNXyrHjWSaYwmgQ7RgV4nG+a7hYE5lvaz7OrI9T6ebR4BSHGMl+ EIWypvIEzJhqcQUWhYTDfyYF9obgvmZWn58fD82uasBDr91wYJJCjFTu/F2ddaJU lVk0TpL2OEXD+USsXEj1bE4ttE6qYOPQ5cEGX8RLaz9Hauv2OpLpOHUOZnCYMsGJ lH6pfXt/XLq29VvD5BXoaponr7vjzvYXhOqMKckO+MRglkxyfn0KUuqzRpqdffd6 bHkRbu/+rAWixplRgaebqAajwACqZDxok55bM52yUY/vz7aD44trUaOGRJu/3fs= =b9MX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.
Well, From a style guide perspective, if you are not changing the numbering style, you shouldn't be changing the font. I _assume_ you are looking to create something like this: 1 The Art of Slamming Head Against Wall 1.1 Place Palms Flat Against Wall 1.2 Bend Elbows 45 degrees 1.3 Rear Head Back as far as Possible 1.4 Throw Body Weight Behind Forward Head Movement 2 The Art of Being Kicked in the Head I am working from memory here, didn't test this, but you are not supposed to be globally changing a font after the fact. You are supposed to have an outline style with a numbering style at each level. Take a look at Tools-Outline Numbering. You can specify a different paragraph style for each level. On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 13:27 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a bug being filed. I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and how to fix up their manuals. I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone can help me with the correction. 1-Create a new writer document. 2-Add say 5 lines of text. 3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering. 4-Highlight line 2 and Demote one level 5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match. This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO. 6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes. 7-highlight line 4 and Demote one level 8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the numbering. The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text. The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere. My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of. I have deleted all numbering and all content from the document but now for any list I create or list style I apply to the document the outline numbering is in the font and size I set it 6 above and not matching the characters after the numbering as did occur originally. This one click and change to the outline font has completely mucked up my whole document (As I had size 16pt bold major points level 1 and size 12pt sub points and now they are all either 16 or 12 and bold or not). Thanks, steve -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OT Top/Bottom posting
-2 http://www.ask.com/wiki/Posting_style For a long time the traditional style was to post the answer below as much of the quoted original as was necessary to understand the reply (bottom or inline). Many years later, when email became widespread in business communication, it became a widespread policy to reply above the entire original and leave it untouched below the reply. Top-posting has always been the standard format for forwarding a message to a third party; in which case the comments at the top (if any) are a cover note for the recipient. Customer service e-mail practices, in particular, often require that all points be addressed in a clear manner without quoting, while the original e-mail message may be included as an attachment. On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 15:32 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: +1 On 5/31/11 3:30 PM, toki wrote: Actually, I do make that claim. Intermixed quotes are the proper way to do things, because that is the only format in which the context the reply being made can be readily ascertained. jonathon -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Bottom and mid-posting are legacy architectures with a few desperate dinosaurs still clinging to them. The Fortunate 500 is a global thing, not an American thing these days. Many of the corporations in it are not American, and all of them are hoping to one day get in it. On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 00:10 +1000, Zoltán Kócsi wrote: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:52:42 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I don't think there are people arguing that top-posting MUST be the ONLY way. On the contrary, we are pointing out that if the product is to be used by more people than are currently using it, especially if we want office workers to use it, then we have to be prepared for many of those to be unused to bottom posting. Um, the developer community runs the list. They don't have to, but they do. They provide a product for free. They provide a forum for help, for free. I would risk the statement that it is their privilege to lay down the general rules and ask people to adhere to them. After all, it's their list. I am sick of this argument. I have never been so brow-beaten or bullied in the supposedly Open world that supposedly encourages free-thinking and diversity. Instead it seems that LibreOffice is very restrictive, at least on the users list if nowhere else. Is Libre about freedom or about restrictions? Regards from Tom :) OK, a low-brow explanation; idea stolen from Dave Barry. You don't go to a smooth jazz fancy fingerfood party and start farting. Not because it is explicitely forbidden by some law, but because most people at such a party are not particularly keen on hearing and smelling fart. What's more, if you do go and start farting, they might ask you not to do it. Now, one possibility is to argue with them that it is your unalienable human right to fart wherever and whenever it pleases you and if they don't like it then they are oppressive fascists tyrants, enemies of freedom and so on. The alternative possibility is to realise that it is not your party and simply stop farting. Naturally, you can organise an alternative, the skunks will beg for the recipe farting party and frown upon any guest who as much as twicthes the nose, let alone starting to spray industrial strength air freshener around. Indeed, you'd have every right to feel offended is that guest with the freshener also lectured you that your not liking the spraying on your party is restrictive beghaviour, against diversity and free-thinking and it is positively bullying. By the way, some 20 years ago I thought that this whole top-posting nonsense was sorted out once and for all after a handful of really massive flame wars on USENET, crossposted all over the place and people getting so sick and tired of the whole thing that they plonked anyone even raising the issue again. Gee, was I wrong or what. It's like a phoenix, gets up again and again. Damned scary, really. Zoltan -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Richard, Specifying Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org messages as junk/spam ON THE EMAIL SERVER will stop them from ever being downloaded! Roland On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 18:19 -0400, Richard wrote: Thanks. I do have a way to specify these messages as JUNK, and not even open them, BUT, they are still downloaded before being rejected as junk, so I get all this garbage going thru my system before the being dumped into the trash. $*#@** You get the idea. Thanks for your input, Roland. Richard -Original Message- From: Roland Hughes [mailto:rol...@logikalsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:23 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken Richard, If actual IT professionals set up the server correctly, you send a COMPLETELY EMPTY MESSAGE to users+h...@libreoffice.org No SIG files, no subject, no message body. Given the organization of the Web site, and those genetic miss-fits from management that hang out here and speak directly out their rectal orifice without even the tiniest shred of knowledge...I would not be surprised to find out that doesn't work either. Management = genetic miss-fits promoted to their level of inability. Of course, you email system ought to provide a Web interface. Open your browser without your email client being opened and go to that Web page. Find messages from Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org and flag them as junk mail. Do this on the server via the Web interface and it will stop gigs of useless bits from attempting to come down your dial up connection. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 13:31 -0400, Richard wrote: HELP!!! I am receiving 20 and more emails daily. I have tried many, many times to unsubscribe with NO SUCCESS. PLEASE give me an email, land line, snail mail address, or phone number where I can UNSUBSCRIBE. rich...@hornick.us -Original Message- From: Joep L. Blom [mailto:jlb...@neuroweave.nl] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:19 AM To: users@libreoffice.org Cc: Roland Hughes Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken On 30/05/11 15:58, Roland Hughes wrote: Joep, Professional IT workers never remove any portion of the post because when you go through a SOX audit, and then through court, you get in a whole lot of trouble for doing it. Now, people who once got paid for writing a program or use Microsoft products may well have different opinions since their not the ones working on multi-million dollar projects for Fortunate 500 companies. There is a long drawn out history of people deleting what they didn't read then denying things were said. Bottom posting wastes vast quantities of developers time scrolling to the end. Full quoting is a policy mandated by most major corporations and IT organizations because it allows management (and the legal team) to jump into the conversation at any point. I wouldn't even be on this list had the Web site been designed by software professionals instead of whoever was used. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 12:05 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 30/05/11 08:45, Roland Hughes wrote: Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. Sigh! Roland your remark is utter nonsens. Many lists courteously request to bottom post but also request clipping. Professional IT workers remove unnecessary wording from replies and adhere to courteously requested rules. Joep Roland, Permit me to disagree. If you need E-mails for court representation it is best to furnish the original E-mails not the parts of text in answers to E-mails. You answer the relevant portions of an E-mail as the originator has the original text. I don't think a court will accept the umptieth repeat of an original E-mail. But I live in the Netherlands and I have no idea how convoluted American lawyers and justices actually reason. Well, that goes for Dutch members of that kind also. It is a breed that I, as a simple scientist, not understand so therefore your reasoning might be right. Joep -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Top posting and full quoting has been the written policy at every Fortune 500 company I've consulted at in the past 20+ years. It's in that little policy guide handed to every new consultant and new employee...you know...the one you are supposed to read BEFORE you do anything. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 21:15 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/30/2011 06:58 AM, Roland Hughes wrote: ... Bottom posting wastes vast quantities of developers time scrolling to the end. Full quoting is a policy mandated by most major corporations and IT organizations because it allows management (and the legal team) to jump into the conversation at any point. ... I suppose you can cite some case law, or some link to a corporation policy for this claim? -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Trivia Question - Further Observation
Well said! I find this attitude most pervasive in the Ubuntu crowd, but it exists to some extent with all distributions. When you get into the management of companies, especially companies with 5 PCs yet name a Director of IT, the we don't pay for nuthin' attitude is even policy. I have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars of time and cash to various OpenSource projects. Participated in driver bug shoots and even published a completely free book to provide both promotion AND A USER MANUAL to a Java class library I found to be above all others out there. http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/The-Minimum-You-Need-to-Know-About-Java-and-xBaseJ All users get to pull it down completely free. Months of my life and thousands of dollars in professional editing to provide what most OpenSource projects lack, a usable manual + tutorial. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 17:22 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 05/30/2011 03:46 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-05-30 2:53 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:34 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-05-29 3:58 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: An example : can anyone point me to a webpage from the Foundation or the LibreOffice.org site where it clearly states that LibreOffice is not intended for business use or that if you are a business you should buy support ? No, because there isn't one, because there is no requirement or even strong recommendation. But of course there is certainly nothing wrong with buying a support contract if you want one. It's a common cultural problem in the OpenSource community. Everyone thinks they deserve all software for free, but if you have a company or business email address you should spend all of your money so that they can continue to have free software. It doesn't matter what OpenSource operating system or application/software package you are using, this irrational response persists. I imagine it is even more persistent in the LO world since they just cut free of Sugar Daddy and now need a revenue source. I've never seen or noticed such an attitude - certainly not anything nearly as pervasive or prevalent as you seem to by suggesting. Well, that attitude has been seen before by some people I know. I get mine free, while you have to pay for yours , is the mindset I see myself from time to time. Open Source does cost. It costs people's time and effort, even if they provide it for free. Then there is the costs of the support system. I am not talking about paid consultants. I am talking about Domain names, hosting systems or accounts, servers and other physical needs to keep the TDF/LO web sites up and running. Then there is the fees to display at events and conventions. Then there is the marketing banners, brochures, pamphlets, handouts, etc., etc., that is part of the materials that are used for marketing at such an event. Then there is the people who wants to produce DVDs to get to people who cannot download the package software, due to bandwidth issues or other constrants to their Internet usage. These people who make these DVDs have money tied up with DVD cases, Printable DVD media, Printing the DVD case covers and the inserted pamphlets, and how about buying a printer that can print on the printable DVD media. All these things cost money. For TDF/LibreOffice, they wish to raise the need funds to provide for the money being spent for the physical costs of the services required for their web hosting needs, plus any marketing costs spent or will be spent marketing the product. Then there is the local people who make the DVDs. They need to help cover their costs in making the DVDs and the shipping costs to send it out to those who will need their DVD printing/shipping services. Sure, there are people who volunteer their time and efforts programing/developing, marketing, and may other task involved with the creation and distribution of an Open Source software package. But there are things that cost money as well. There are businesses that have volunteered their people and money to help the cause of Open Source. But nothing is truly free. Somewhere it costs someone money. Time is money too. If you want free software, you are paying for it by your time and efforts finding it, downloading it, maybe promoting it to your friends and family, supporting it in the email lists, or even donating some cash to it via its fundraising efforts. FOR ME I am a part of the North American Community DVD Project. I have donated space on my hosting account and bought a domain for its testing portal http://libreoffice-na.us/ . I have bought DVD cases, printable media, and a printer to print onto those printable media. I will be handing out many of these DVDs to local people, organizations, businesses, and government agencies - ALL out of my own fixed income pocket. I am
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Here Here! I would add that trimmers _almost always_ quote out of context, chopping off sentences and paragraphs in such a way as to completely change the meaning of the original poster, so they can spin a conversation away from its central topic towards something which makes their insignificant lives seem to have meaning...Think Glen Beck and Fox News On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 23:20 +0800, Lindsay Graham wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:04:19 -0400 From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@libreoffice.org On 2011-05-31 8:50 AM, Earl Melton wrote: I don't know about [developers], but it sure wastes the hey out of [my] time. When you've read ten or more messages with the same subject line, you've got a fair idea what the next reply is about. Read the poster's comment, then scroll -- if necessary -- to read context, rather than scrolling for endless screens just to find the latest comment. Just my two one-hundredths oif a Federal Reserve Note's worth... Please stop with the same old tired false premise/FUD... *No* *one* (in their right mind) advocates *untrimmed* bottom/inline posting, which, I *agree*, is the *only* thing that is worse than blindly top-posting. *Properly* *trimmed*, you generally don't have to scroll *at* *all*. Regardless of which method you engage in, you should *always* trim your quoted text to only the relevant portion. This is getting to be a pretty tiresome thread, and it is obvious that the main protagonists are never going to change their views, no matter how right or wrong they are. However, you've hit the nail on the head, tanstaafl. Maybe no one *advocates* untrimmed bottom posting, but many people do it, and it is extremely counter-productive in so many ways. Notwithstanding all your emphases above, the fact is that *very* *few* people, particularly those writing in non-newsgroup environments but also many many newsgroup posters, do any trimming, let alone the 'proper trimming' to which you refer. That is one, just one, of the reasons why most people top-post and will continue to do so. I get so sick of being forced to page down to see the latest text that, unless it is a subject in which I am particularly interested, I will often delete the message unread if the latest contribution is not visible on the first screen page. This message is bottom-posted only because the last one was. Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting]
+1 on that On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 14:13 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: Uh-oh! Civil Disobedience. Top posting for freedom ;-) On 5/31/11 1:49 PM, Vic Dura wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:09:25 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken: On 2011-05-31 11:20 AM, Lindsay Graham wrote: I get so sick of being forced to page down to see the latest text that, unless it is a subject in which I am particularly interested, I will often delete the message unread if the latest contribution is not visible on the first screen page. As do I... if someone is incapable of properly using their mail client, I'm probably not interested in anything they have to say, especially for computer related lists... +1 on that. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 20:25 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/29/2011 07:42 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: Wow! Someone definitely peed in your cornflakes this morning! Try bottom or interleaved posting some time. peed in your cornflakes? My *point* is that Tom Davies is replying to users on this list as if he represents LO. New users to this list may be inclined to think that the we in his posts are coming from some 'official' LO source. If that is not obvious to you, then I suggest that you actually may have actually eaten the peed in cornflakes I'm happy to take this off list to discuss further so that we don't bore the list otherwise. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 19:08 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/29/2011 08:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Things are not perfect yet. We do need people to point out faults so that we can fix them. Of course we are going to be slightly over-sensitive to criticism when we care so much about the project but we need to get beyond that and just improve things. What has been done so far is amazing. Q. What is this 'we' you speak of? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? For some reason I fail to find you on: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ and I don't think that I've see you post code on the developers list. Your posts containing We do need people to point out faults, Of course we are going to be, when we care so much about the project, and but we need to get beyond that imply that you are speaking for LO, or the LO community at large. If you think you speak for the LO c(C)omunity at large; you certainly do not speak for me (no I'm not a 'member/founder/dev' I doubt that you speak for others on this list. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Whether he does or doesn't represent LO in any official capacity really doesn't matter to me. Official presence seems to be non-existent at best on this list and believe it or not, Tom is where I got my answer. Had the LO Web site been designed even remotely correct for a commercial or widely used product, the bug reporting link would have been under Support or on the main page, not hidden at the end of a developer page, where most users won't go...great for developers who only want to see bugs that come with patches already hacked, not great for people that want to post bugs. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 21:12 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/29/2011 08:25 PM, NoOp wrote: On 05/29/2011 07:42 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: Wow! Someone definitely peed in your cornflakes this morning! Try bottom or interleaved posting some time. peed in your cornflakes? My *point* is that Tom Davies is replying to users on this list as if he represents LO. New users to this list may be inclined to think that the we in his posts are coming from some 'official' LO source. If that is not obvious to you, then I suggest that you actually may have actually eaten the peed in cornflakes I'm happy to take this off list to discuss further so that we don't bore the list otherwise. ... Then again... I suppose we could all ask 'Shane' to be the LO spokesperson given his recent post on the LO dev list: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.devel/11685 -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Joep, Professional IT workers never remove any portion of the post because when you go through a SOX audit, and then through court, you get in a whole lot of trouble for doing it. Now, people who once got paid for writing a program or use Microsoft products may well have different opinions since their not the ones working on multi-million dollar projects for Fortunate 500 companies. There is a long drawn out history of people deleting what they didn't read then denying things were said. Bottom posting wastes vast quantities of developers time scrolling to the end. Full quoting is a policy mandated by most major corporations and IT organizations because it allows management (and the legal team) to jump into the conversation at any point. I wouldn't even be on this list had the Web site been designed by software professionals instead of whoever was used. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 12:05 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 30/05/11 08:45, Roland Hughes wrote: Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. Sigh! Roland your remark is utter nonsens. Many lists courteously request to bottom post but also request clipping. Professional IT workers remove unnecessary wording from replies and adhere to courteously requested rules. Joep -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Please disregard the previous messages, this is the correct link
That's been an undocumented feature since the first version. Quite honestly, I think the other anchor types never got implemented. It always anchors to page. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 13:41 +0300, Kemal Gençay wrote: Thank you for a wonderful product. I use LinuxMint with GNOME 2.32 and LibreOffice 3.3.2 build 202. Using Write, I go to the beginning of a paragraph and insert a frame, and choose Anchor to Paragraph option. But when I move the paragraph elsewhere, the inserted frame does not accompany but stays where it was originally inserted on the page. Same when I choose Anchor to character. This is the link to .odt document http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8899106/Yatirim_ilkeleri.odt Would be grateful if you can help. Best Regards Kemal -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
I don't know if you are having difficulties with your mail client, but your recent responses seem to be double posting. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 17:19 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 30/05/11 15:58, Roland Hughes wrote: Joep, Professional IT workers never remove any portion of the post because when you go through a SOX audit, and then through court, you get in a whole lot of trouble for doing it. Now, people who once got paid for writing a program or use Microsoft products may well have different opinions since their not the ones working on multi-million dollar projects for Fortunate 500 companies. There is a long drawn out history of people deleting what they didn't read then denying things were said. Bottom posting wastes vast quantities of developers time scrolling to the end. Full quoting is a policy mandated by most major corporations and IT organizations because it allows management (and the legal team) to jump into the conversation at any point. I wouldn't even be on this list had the Web site been designed by software professionals instead of whoever was used. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 12:05 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 30/05/11 08:45, Roland Hughes wrote: Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. Sigh! Roland your remark is utter nonsens. Many lists courteously request to bottom post but also request clipping. Professional IT workers remove unnecessary wording from replies and adhere to courteously requested rules. Joep Roland, Permit me to disagree. If you need E-mails for court representation it is best to furnish the original E-mails not the parts of text in answers to E-mails. You answer the relevant portions of an E-mail as the originator has the original text. I don't think a court will accept the umptieth repeat of an original E-mail. But I live in the Netherlands and I have no idea how convoluted American lawyers and justices actually reason. Well, that goes for Dutch members of that kind also. It is a breed that I, as a simple scientist, not understand so therefore your reasoning might be right. Joep -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Obviously you travel in that world of got paid to write a program once instead of the three plus year multi-million dollar bet the company systems development projects. I can tell you what world I travel in. Remember the articles which came out in ComputerWorld and the other trade rags after 9/11? The ones about how the trading companies who used distributed OpenVMS clusters lost two of their sites and most of their people when the Twin Towers fell, but the trading system continued executing trades until the end of business WITHOUT LOSING A SINGLE TRANSACTION. All other companies using all other operating systems lost massive amounts of transactions along with their locations. Most of those companies did not re-open their doors. That's my world. Designing and developing systems which continue running without error long after the humans are gone. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:39 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-05-30 2:45 AM, Roland Hughes wrote: Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. Rotflmao! Roland, you are obviously from some other planet than I. In the circles I frequent, it is the exact opposite. It is the IT people who are most likely to know how to properly use their mail client, and properly quote emails when replying. It is Microsoft Outlook weened drones that are most likely to be lazy asses who simply cannot be bothered to learn how to properly use their mail client. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Trivia Question - Further Observation
It's a common cultural problem in the OpenSource community. Everyone thinks they deserve all software for free, but if you have a company or business email address you should spend all of your money so that they can continue to have free software. It doesn't matter what OpenSource operating system or application/software package you are using, this irrational response persists. I imagine it is even more persistent in the LO world since they just cut free of Sugar Daddy and now need a revenue source. I actually laugh when I'm greeted with this mentality. They have no idea if you are a one many shop or a Fortune 50 corporation. They all think you can plunk down hundreds of thousands of dollars on a whim to keep software coming to them. I told many this would happen, and even watched it happen about a decade ago. When the bulk of the community switched from programmers to consumers. Since they aren't programmers, they don't think programmers should be paid and have no idea how many thousands of hours it takes to correctly design, develop, and TEST a commercial grade application. All they know is that they expect commercial grade software for free...thanks to Microsoft for dramatically lowering the bar on what qualifies as commercial grade software. If, however, you tell them to show up at their Union/factory job and work 60/hours per week for 6 months absolutely gratis, they will unleash holy hell on you. There was actually a fund raising bar thing on the libreoffice site when the broke away. I don't see it now. You see, those people who work for an OpenOffice project at the top don't work for free either. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:34 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-05-29 3:58 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: An example : can anyone point me to a webpage from the Foundation or the LibreOffice.org site where it clearly states that LibreOffice is not intended for business use or that if you are a business you should buy support ? No, because there isn't one, because there is no requirement or even strong recommendation. But of course there is certainly nothing wrong with buying a support contract if you want one. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
You have just demonstrated a complete lack of understanding about IT and have __obviously__ never ever found yourself in the middle of a multi-million dollar lawsuit between two massive corporations. If you had you would never speak so far out your rectal orifice in public. I have been in that situation and my side won, not just some counts, ALL counts. For the most part the other side lost because they edited and middle posted in their emails so when placed on the stand had to work from memory because the email they had in their hand was missing everything damning. I won't bother responding to you. It is obvious that you are both unemployed and unemployable, having no industry knowledge or experience what-so-ever. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:56 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-05-30 11:42 AM, Roland Hughes wrote: Editing and/or responding within the original message is considered tampering with evidence. Rotflmao even harder! Roland, where do you get this garbage? Do you make it up as you go? Everyone is supposed to TOP POST, not only to save developer time, Stop it, please, my sides are hurting! but to allow the legal teams to read from the bottom up on the last message identifying how things progressed this far. Sorry, I don't modify my personal habits to fit the needs of Outlook weened lawyer drones. The chain of evidence for legal purposes is in the ORIGINAL emails, not endlessly/mindlessly quoted copies of stupid email signatures and mindless and unenforceable legal disclaimers. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Richard, If actual IT professionals set up the server correctly, you send a COMPLETELY EMPTY MESSAGE to users+h...@libreoffice.org No SIG files, no subject, no message body. Given the organization of the Web site, and those genetic miss-fits from management that hang out here and speak directly out their rectal orifice without even the tiniest shred of knowledge...I would not be surprised to find out that doesn't work either. Management = genetic miss-fits promoted to their level of inability. Of course, you email system ought to provide a Web interface. Open your browser without your email client being opened and go to that Web page. Find messages from Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org and flag them as junk mail. Do this on the server via the Web interface and it will stop gigs of useless bits from attempting to come down your dial up connection. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 13:31 -0400, Richard wrote: HELP!!! I am receiving 20 and more emails daily. I have tried many, many times to unsubscribe with NO SUCCESS. PLEASE give me an email, land line, snail mail address, or phone number where I can UNSUBSCRIBE. rich...@hornick.us -Original Message- From: Joep L. Blom [mailto:jlb...@neuroweave.nl] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:19 AM To: users@libreoffice.org Cc: Roland Hughes Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTRe: Sun Weblog Publisher broken On 30/05/11 15:58, Roland Hughes wrote: Joep, Professional IT workers never remove any portion of the post because when you go through a SOX audit, and then through court, you get in a whole lot of trouble for doing it. Now, people who once got paid for writing a program or use Microsoft products may well have different opinions since their not the ones working on multi-million dollar projects for Fortunate 500 companies. There is a long drawn out history of people deleting what they didn't read then denying things were said. Bottom posting wastes vast quantities of developers time scrolling to the end. Full quoting is a policy mandated by most major corporations and IT organizations because it allows management (and the legal team) to jump into the conversation at any point. I wouldn't even be on this list had the Web site been designed by software professionals instead of whoever was used. On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 12:05 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 30/05/11 08:45, Roland Hughes wrote: Neither bottom nor interleaved posting methods are used by professional IT workers. Microsoft developers yes, but not professionals. Sigh! Roland your remark is utter nonsens. Many lists courteously request to bottom post but also request clipping. Professional IT workers remove unnecessary wording from replies and adhere to courteously requested rules. Joep Roland, Permit me to disagree. If you need E-mails for court representation it is best to furnish the original E-mails not the parts of text in answers to E-mails. You answer the relevant portions of an E-mail as the originator has the original text. I don't think a court will accept the umptieth repeat of an original E-mail. But I live in the Netherlands and I have no idea how convoluted American lawyers and justices actually reason. Well, that goes for Dutch members of that kind also. It is a breed that I, as a simple scientist, not understand so therefore your reasoning might be right. Joep -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
There is not a single ^TY)*()(*)(ing link on the LibreOffice site to file a bug report!!1 On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 10:02 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 28/05/11 01:53, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, This plugin was one of the few reasons I bothered with OpenOffice. Being able to write blog entries off-line using fonts and specific layouts was awesome. It appears absolutely nothing has been done on this since 2009. Is anybody going to pick up the ball??? I suggest you file a bug report or a feature enhancement request on freedesktop bugzilla - the user list is not where your question will be answered in all likelihood. Alex -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [Libreoffice] Word doesn't see symbols - More Analysis
/charts/. These areas will never be defined by the Unicode Standard. These code points can be freely used for characters of any purpose, but successful interchange requires an agreement between sender and receiver on their interpretation. Furthermore, the codes extending upward from U+E000 are intended for END-USER assignment and the codes extending downward from U+F8FF are intended for CORPORATE USE (including vendors, platform providers, etc.), the idea that the chance of collision is reduced thereby. This is only a suggested convention, however. These depend on private agreements for having matching fonts or even being used for visible characters. Something tells me you'll be hard-pressed to find these in fonts on Windows unless you can send the OpenSymbol font to the recipient. [ ... ] My recommendation is to use a defined Unicode character (and a font that supports it) in preference to the same OpenSymbol character whenever possible. - Dennis [ ... ] -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
And just how many users are going to dig that deep to find out how to file a bug report? ___Most___ sites, including the original OpenOffice site, put file bug report links either on the first page OR under the Support heading. You didn't even have the decency to put it under Get Help. As a general rule, when the bug report page is under the Developer tree, it tends to be expert friendly requiring reports filed only by people working directly with the code and uploading patches for the bugs they find...not end users who find vicious bugs. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 16:24 +0200, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi, On Sun, 29 May 2011 08:28:04 -0500 Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com wrote: There is not a single ^TY)*()(*)(ing link on the LibreOffice site to file a bug report!!1 sorry, but you are wrong! There is. If you don't believe me, see for yourself: Go to libreoffice.org/get involved/Developers/File Bugs There is a link to bugzilla. Sigrid -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: [Libreoffice] Word doesn't see symbols - Substituting Fonts
There used to be a plugin for OO which identified all missing fonts for a document. Perhaps it was never ported to LO. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 16:43 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The Tools | Fonts option is not related to any documents that happen to be open. It is generic. So it is not going to know about missing fonts. In my copy of 3.3.2, I found that I needed to check the box that says Apply replacement table. Although there are pull-downs that then list all of the installed fonts, I found that I could make up a font name for the Font entry and indicate that it be replaced by Calibri (which I already have installed). When I clicked the check box for the dialed-in replacement, I was then able to check Always and then select OK. The table now has the one row in it and it persists when I close LibreOffice and open it again. Does this not work on your system? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Steve Edmonds [mailto:steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 13:37 To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [Libreoffice] Word doesn't see symbols - More Analysis On 29/05/11 2:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 2. INTERCHANGING DOCUMENTS WITH FONT DEPENDENCIES When fonts use essentially the same code points for the same characters, but with differences in font-face design, there are techniques to substitute a close kindred font when the specific font is not available to the consumer of a document. This might create problems with metrics, but there are many fonts that substitute well enough. Systems may provide automatic substitutions for fonts that are not installed. Products also have ways to let users direct the substitutions. Example: In LibreOffice, the Tools | Options | LibreOffice | Fonts dialog provides for substitutions. The Help topic indicates the range of capabilties. The LO fonts dialogue referenced above does not show missing fonts and allow substitution (not in 3.3.2). If I open a document with Calibri (not on my system) and go to Tools | Options | LibreOffice | Fonts I cannot see the missing font Calibri or select it in the list of fonts to substitute. Is this a bug or intended functionality? steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken
Wow! Someone definitely peed in your cornflakes this morning! On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 19:08 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/29/2011 08:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Things are not perfect yet. We do need people to point out faults so that we can fix them. Of course we are going to be slightly over-sensitive to criticism when we care so much about the project but we need to get beyond that and just improve things. What has been done so far is amazing. Q. What is this 'we' you speak of? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? For some reason I fail to find you on: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ and I don't think that I've see you post code on the developers list. Your posts containing We do need people to point out faults, Of course we are going to be, when we care so much about the project, and but we need to get beyond that imply that you are speaking for LO, or the LO community at large. If you think you speak for the LO c(C)omunity at large; you certainly do not speak for me (no I'm not a 'member/founder/dev' I doubt that you speak for others on this list. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word?
Lotus had tabs down the right side of each document you were currently working on. These were tabbed document divisions. You could not only dynamically go to a document division by clicking on the tab, you could right click on it and get a menu for changing order and such. Completely indispensable for authors. Each tabbed division is a chapter, index, toc, etc. If you want to change the order of chapters you simply changed the order of the tabs. Documents were kept on a window list. ALT-W brought down the menu where each of your document windows was listed with a number in front of it. You simply hit the number. If you went past 9 open documents the last entry was m More Windows. Clicking or hitting m brought up all of the windows in a scrolling list for you to arrow around then hit enter. This worked on all Windows platforms and all OS/2 platforms the same way. What was/is still not equaled by any word processor on the market is TABBED DOCUMENT DIVISIONS. Surf over to eBay and pick yourself up _any_ of these SmartSuite editions. Neither WordPro nor Organizer have been equaled in the market place despite all vendors and developers having 10+ years to do it. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:29 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) How did Lotus WordPro organise it? Did they have the tabs vertically down the side? Presumably that was pre-widescreen so it would have been less of an issue. Regards from Tom :) From: Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 17:15:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word? Until you implement tabbed document divisions exactly as existed in Lotus WordPro all this discussion of tabs is like Microsoft talking about how good their security is...of no benefit to anyone because it is a joke. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 13:22 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2011/5/28 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com: On 05/27/2011 06:27 PM, plino wrote: Are you aware that, at least in Win. that you can move between documents using Alt+tab? I find that much faster than trying to use a mouse. If you have a bunch of tasks running it's not so handy, but normally you are only switching between a few windows and it is very quick. Are you aware that if you press Ctrl+Tab you can do the same between documents (or tabs) within the same program? :) Sorry, but I use Ubuntu as my main system. I use Vista on my dual boot laptop only when I have no other choice. A bit off topic: Then your options are even better. Ctrl+Tab (Ctrl+⇥) works in Ubuntu (and probably in all the other GNU/Linux-distributions as well), but if you installed the Compiz-Fusion settings manager, you have so many more options. Of course I tweaked everything in my system, so I don't really remember how it worked before all those tweaks, but I am 100% sure that Ctrl+⇥ works by default. Maybe also Mod4+⇥ (I think the Mod4 key is associated to the Win-key by default), or maybe I tweaked that one myself… And I am pretty sure you can switch between desktops with Ctrl+Alt+→ and Ctrl+Alt+←, but as I said, explore the Compiz-Fusion settings since there is so much more you can do there. Compiz-Fusion is installed by default in Ubuntu these days, but for some strange reason the settings manager is not…! You can easily install it with Synaptic or the Ubuntu software center though, just search for ”compizconfig-settings-manager” in there. Or install it from a terminal: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager The settings manager will end up at System → Preferences, so go there and have some fun…! Regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Missing Create folder option in KDE Save file dialogue
Many things had problems. KDE-4 changed the underlying calls. Several KUbuntu versions 10.4 and 10.10 have had significant issues. They tweaked many KDE integration packages, but, probably didn't ship them back upstream. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 10:17 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 05/28/2011 06:08 AM, John King wrote: Harald Bregel wrote: I have come from OpenOffice under SUSE Linux 11.3 and KDE 4, and am now using libreOffice in the same environment. The OpenOffice Save file dialogue in KDE-style showed an icon to create a new folder if needed. This icon is now gone under libreOffice. I have found that I can configure libreOffice to display its own Save file dialogue which includes the Create new folder option BUT this menu does not have the seamlessly integrated look-and-feel of KDE. It sticks out like a sore thumb. How come the option Create new folder is now gone from the KDE-style menu in libreOffice? It is something everybody needs. Can it be restored in one of the next libreOffice releases? +1 I see that creating new folders is still possible in the Windows and Gnome versions. It's only kde that's affected John johnmking...@yahoo.co.uk I wonder if it is a problem with LibreOffice or a problem with SUSE Linux 11.3 and KDE 4? As reported, it seems not to be a problem with Windows [Vista for me] and GNOME [Ubuntu 10.04LTS 64-bit for me]. Do anyone with Kubuntu or other Linux install with KDE as the default desktop have the same problem? I wonder if you can use the Save As function with a Live version of Kubuntu to test it out? -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing Create folder option in KDE Save file dialogue
It's a problem with the KDE integration package. KDE-4 was a God-like-non-compatible move from KDE-3, despite the KDE-3 compatibility libraries. The type and number of parameters for the dialog changed. This got patched over in the KUbuntu world, but, obviously not sent back up the pipeline. KDE-4 uses Qt4 which was a massive and major departure from Qt3. There should not be a Qt change that drastic for at least another decade. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 08:16 +, Harald Bregel wrote: I have come from OpenOffice under SUSE Linux 11.3 and KDE 4, and am now using libreOffice in the same environment. The OpenOffice Save file dialogue in KDE-style showed an icon to create a new folder if needed. This icon is now gone under libreOffice. I have found that I can configure libreOffice to display its own Save file dialogue which includes the Create new folder option BUT this menu does not have the seamlessly integrated look-and-feel of KDE. It sticks out like a sore thumb. How come the option Create new folder is now gone from the KDE-style menu in libreOffice? It is something everybody needs. Can it be restored in one of the next libreOffice releases? -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Native MySQL-connection
MySQL is NOT owned by Oracle. InnoDB, the only relational engine supported/used by MySQL IS owned by Oracle and Oracle has been in the process of removing it from free releases of MySQL. If you want a REAL database, you install PostgreSQL. This is a really database though and requires a bit of planning. If all you need is some form of storage and you don't care about data integrity, use SQLite. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 13:31 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Is MySql owned by Oracle? Are there other sql databases that could be used if a problem developed there? Regards from Tom :) From: Heinrich Stoellinger hc.stoellin...@aon.at To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 9:20:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Native MySQL-connection Hi Alex, I just installed 3.4rc2 and also deleted the cache subdirectory before installation. Same result... And - by the way - it all works fine under M$-Vista. Not particularly recommendable when trying to use Open Software... Regards (from rainy Salzburg!) Heinrich On Fri, 27 May 2011 16:11:39 +0200, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 26/05/11 19:08, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit : Hi Heinrich, I installed LibreOffice 3.4rc1 today and it seems to work o.k., except --- the native MySQL-connector is gone. The error message (roughtly translated from German) is ... SDBC-driver was not found. When I then try to install it (downloading the OpenOffice-provided driver) I get the answer that it is installed already. I would prefer NOT to use either ODBC or JDBC. Can anybody help? I have exactly the same problem on my LibreOffice 3.3.2 installation on Mac OSX, which used to work fine and now tells me that despite the package being installed, it can not make the connection to the database. The package is installed in a sub-directory of : /share/uno_packages/cache Delete that sub-directory (make sure the LO isn't running first) in which you find the mysql-connector, restart LibreOffice, and then re-install the connector. You may also find that it is installed in the equivalent LibreOffice user directory (whatever that is for your platform, since you don't specify). Look there and do the same before re-installing the connector. At present, I don't have the problem with LO 3.4rc1. Alex -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word?
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:09 -0400, planas wrote: Hi On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 13:49 -0500, Roland Hughes wrote: It is turned on by default in both the latest releases of Ubuntu and OpenSuSE. It is a bug ridden piece of doo-doo which hoses all mouse pointer changes making most new distros unusable by AARP members and people with poor vision. It will randomly and without reason popup a 4 desktop control window which end users know nothing about. If you are impatient while a computer is booting and move your mouse while compiz is loading IT WILL CHANGE YOUR SCREEN SIZE. There are only 4 people in the world who like that hunk of doo doo. It has never caused problems for me, I use a Ubuntu derivative with it. I can not say it is buggy. You would be the only person on the planet it _hasn't_ caused problems for. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 19:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I thought it's just for fancy desktops like spinning cubes with movies playing on all sides and wobbly windows and stuff like that. Regards from Tom :) From: Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 18:17:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word? Compiz is a crime against humanity. There are exactly 4 people in the known universe who like that pathetic excuse for a system crasher. On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 16:28 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2011/5/28 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com: 2011/5/28 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com: On 05/27/2011 09:33 PM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from plinopedl...@gmail.com on Fri, 27 May 2011 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Are you aware that, at least in Win. that you can move between documents using Alt+tab? I find that much faster than trying to use a mouse. If you have a bunch of tasks running it's not so handy, but normally you are only switching between a few windows and it is very quick. Are you aware that if you press Ctrl+Tab you can do the same between documents (or tabs) within the same program? :) That works also, but ALT+Tab for me, is an easier finger movement and Win treats each document in LO or OO as a separate window so if I have to bounce between two LO windows either one accomplishes the task. As I said, that is Windows, but what about both Linux or Mac? The idea of tabbed documents IN LibreOffice would be a cross-platform idea and not depend on knowing a shortcut for a particular platform. Oops, I accidently sent this before I was finished… I hate my keyboard… Okay, I'll take it from the beginning: I accidently said earlier that you switch between open applications in GNU/Linux (at least with Gnome as the desktop environment; I don't know about KDE, LXDE and the others) with Ctrl+⇥. I don't really know why I wrote that, because it's plain wrong. Of course I meant Alt+⇥, nothing else (yes, ”⇥” is the Tab key), so it's just like in Windows, except that you have more than one desktop (user settable between 1 and 1024 with Compiz if I recall correctly, and most of the well known GNU/Linux-distributions comes with Compiz pre-installed). Regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ It would be nice to have this tabbed option like in Firefox. It would be easier to use than having multiple LO tasks in the task bar [bottom, side, or top of the screen] when you already have 4 or 5 other packages open at the same time. The idea is a good one to look into. Other non-office packages are either doing it by default, or by extension. LO user might benefit from such an idea, since they may already using the idea in those other packages. I sure use tabs in my Firefox and Thunderbird use. It would help me when I use LibreOffice, sometimes. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word?
The only 4 people in the world that like Compiz are the people who wrote Compiz. It serves absolutely NO useful purpose, yet continually trashes both systems and screens. In OpenSuSE 11.4, just try changing your mouse pointer size. Same thing in last 2 Ubuntu. There are THOUSANDS of other bugs and system problems caused by that completely worthless puddle of bits. It is horribly designed and written by people that don't have the slightest bit of programming skill. On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 00:35 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2011/5/28 Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com: It is turned on by default in both the latest releases of Ubuntu and OpenSuSE. It is a bug ridden piece of doo-doo which hoses all mouse pointer changes making most new distros unusable by AARP members and people with poor vision. It will randomly and without reason popup a 4 desktop control window which end users know nothing about. If you are impatient while a computer is booting and move your mouse while compiz is loading IT WILL CHANGE YOUR SCREEN SIZE. There are only 4 people in the world who like that hunk of doo doo. Which four people are you referring to? Regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 19:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I thought it's just for fancy desktops like spinning cubes with movies playing on all sides and wobbly windows and stuff like that. Yes, that and some hundreds of other things, most of them useless, but some of them are really making life a little bit easier. Just inactivate the useless stuff and activate the useful ones. Regards from Tom :) From: Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 18:17:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: tabs in LibreOffice - like you can do for MS-Word? Compiz is a crime against humanity. There are exactly 4 people in the known universe who like that pathetic excuse for a system crasher. Are those the same four people as those mentioned above? On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 16:28 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2011/5/28 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com: 2011/5/28 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com: On 05/27/2011 09:33 PM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from plinopedl...@gmail.com on Fri, 27 May 2011 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Are you aware that, at least in Win. that you can move between documents using Alt+tab? I find that much faster than trying to use a mouse. If you have a bunch of tasks running it's not so handy, but normally you are only switching between a few windows and it is very quick. Are you aware that if you press Ctrl+Tab you can do the same between documents (or tabs) within the same program? :) That works also, but ALT+Tab for me, is an easier finger movement and Win treats each document in LO or OO as a separate window so if I have to bounce between two LO windows either one accomplishes the task. As I said, that is Windows, but what about both Linux or Mac? The idea of tabbed documents IN LibreOffice would be a cross-platform idea and not depend on knowing a shortcut for a particular platform. Oops, I accidently sent this before I was finished… I hate my keyboard… Okay, I'll take it from the beginning: I accidently said earlier that you switch between open applications in GNU/Linux (at least with Gnome as the desktop environment; I don't know about KDE, LXDE and the others) with Ctrl+⇥. I don't really know why I wrote that, because it's plain wrong. Of course I meant Alt+⇥, nothing else (yes, ”⇥” is the Tab key), so it's just like in Windows, except that you have more than one desktop (user settable between 1 and 1024 with Compiz if I recall correctly, and most of the well known GNU/Linux-distributions comes with Compiz pre-installed). Regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ It would be nice to have this tabbed option like in Firefox. It would be easier to use than having multiple LO tasks in the task bar [bottom, side, or top of the screen] when you already have 4 or 5 other packages open at the same time. The idea is a good one to look into. Other non-office packages are either doing it by default, or by extension. LO user might benefit from such an idea, since they may already using the idea in those other packages. I sure use tabs in my Firefox and Thunderbird use. It would help me when I use LibreOffice, sometimes. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
[libreoffice-users] Sun Weblog Publisher broken
This plugin was one of the few reasons I bothered with OpenOffice. Being able to write blog entries off-line using fonts and specific layouts was awesome. It appears absolutely nothing has been done on this since 2009. Is anybody going to pick up the ball??? -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
