Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
What am I missing? This is sounding like Forrest. Why duplicate, why not
collaborate?
regards
Adam
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Paul Libbrecht wrote:
An alternative would be to actually consider a complete notion of skin.
And this is probably going to happen very soon I think... xdoc
implementors, hasn't it already been thought about ? With the cool
download mechanism of maven, it really looks to be something we could
easily do.
Ahh, a clearing after the storm! I suspect this would be as simple as a
modification to a css style sheet, as complex as an alternate
${maven.xdoc.jsl}, and in between, alternate settings for just about any
other maven.xdoc property.
http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/properties.html
From the discussions on the Jakarta Commons list it would be evident
that such a skin would be beneficial in terms of site consistency in
Jakarta and other places.
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RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
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On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 11:20, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
What am I missing? This is sounding like Forrest. Why duplicate, why
not
collaborate?
Forrest is massive overkill for most sites, additionally it barely
worked when we started Maven and as far as I know is still rather
unwieldly in terms of size and ease of use.
I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Forrest is a better
solution than simple Jelly+CSS.
In any case, Maven has an open architecture and Forrest has a Maven
plugin. That's cool. Users can choose to use whichever they prefer.
-Vincent
regards
Adam
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From: Mark R. Diggory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
Paul Libbrecht wrote:
An alternative would be to actually consider a complete notion
of
skin.
And this is probably going to happen very soon I think... xdoc
implementors, hasn't it already been thought about ? With the
cool
download mechanism of maven, it really looks to be something we
could
easily do.
Ahh, a clearing after the storm! I suspect this would be as simple
as
a
modification to a css style sheet, as complex as an alternate
${maven.xdoc.jsl}, and in between, alternate settings for just
about
any
other maven.xdoc property.
http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/properties.html
From the discussions on the Jakarta Commons list it would be
evident
that such a skin would be beneficial in terms of site
consistency in
Jakarta and other places.
--
Mark Diggory
Software Developer
Harvard MIT Data Center
http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu
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Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
Vincent Massol wrote: In any case, Maven has an open architecture and Forrest has a Maven plugin. That's cool. Users can choose to use whichever they prefer. Mmmh, is that not a Forrest plugin for maven ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=turbine-maven-devm=105438035409490w=2 I am a bit unclear on it all. Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
-Original Message- From: Paul Libbrecht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 November 2003 21:14 To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo Vincent Massol wrote: In any case, Maven has an open architecture and Forrest has a Maven plugin. That's cool. Users can choose to use whichever they prefer. Mmmh, is that not a Forrest plugin for maven ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=turbine-maven-devm=105438035409490w=2 So, you're confirming what I said? I am a bit unclear on it all. Not sure what you mean. -Vincent Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 14:59, Vincent Massol wrote: -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 November 2003 20:41 To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 11:20, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: What am I missing? This is sounding like Forrest. Why duplicate, why not collaborate? Forrest is massive overkill for most sites, additionally it barely worked when we started Maven and as far as I know is still rather unwieldly in terms of size and ease of use. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Forrest is a better solution than simple Jelly+CSS. In any case, Maven has an open architecture and Forrest has a Maven plugin. That's cool. Users can choose to use whichever they prefer. Exactly. And no one to my knowledge ever got it working or continued to work on it. Forrest will probably never be the default rendering mechanism but no one is stopping anyone from making a plugin. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 14:54, Paul Libbrecht wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 11:20, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: What am I missing? This is sounding like Forrest. Why duplicate, why not collaborate? Forrest is massive overkill for most sites, additionally it barely worked when we started Maven and as far as I know is still rather unwieldly in terms of size and ease of use. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Forrest is a better solution than simple Jelly+CSS. Jason, Are you actually confirming you believe it's an overkill even ofr jakarta commons ? Absolutely it's overkill. Additionally if I ever made a live site tool for Maven I would personally never use anything Cocoon-based. That's my preference and as such carries some weight around here. Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 16:00, Vincent Massol wrote: I'd like to see the report registration mechanism untied from the site plugin so that any plugin wishing to use it can. Once this is done, all plugins web site generation plugins will be equal. It's been suggested before, I think when Berin raised issues at not being able to use Forrest. But the onus is on people who want to use Forrest with Maven to do the work because all the Maven devs are happy using Jelly+CSS and that combination works so it's not really a high priority for most of the Maven developers. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maven:site and Forrest (was Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo)
Jason van Zyl wrote: Are you actually confirming you believe it's an overkill even ofr jakarta commons ? Absolutely it's overkill. Additionally if I ever made a live site tool for Maven I would personally never use anything Cocoon-based. That's my preference and as such carries some weight around here. I fear I'm sharing your view but this view on my side has always been made as an ignorant... i.e. Cocoon has always seemed to be too big for our needs, and little talks I had seemed to make it too hard to work with. It would be nice if persons that both know jelly, xdoc, and maven, as well as Cocoon do comment on a comparison... Thanks. Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 16:00, Vincent Massol wrote: I'd like to see the report registration mechanism untied from the site plugin so that any plugin wishing to use it can. Once this is done, all plugins web site generation plugins will be equal. It's been suggested before, I think when Berin raised issues at not being able to use Forrest. But the onus is on people who want to use Forrest with Maven to do the work because all the Maven devs are happy using Jelly+CSS and that combination works so it's not really a high priority for most of the Maven developers. What does any of this have to do with ... [VOTE] The Maven Logo...? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Maven Logo
* n. alex rupp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-23 16:28]: - Original Message - From: Jim Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: The Maven Logo +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. (p.s. if you do need to redesign it, let me know. I'll be happy to do that--I just finished ramping up the mx4j.sf.net website ; ) Very nice work. -- Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* John D Taylor (ROE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-26 11:57]: Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda Much more striking, and because most non-US citizens probably find the whole debate baffling! (Though maybe Europeans would have had a similar reaction to the original poster if the logo had included a swastika) No, they would have a far more pronounced reaction. In Germany, the orginial poster would be arrested. In the US we use discussions such as this to regulate speech, rather than the more draconian methods found on the continent, so yes, thoughtful discouse does tend to baffle some our friends across the pond. -- Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
* Jim Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-25 16:01]: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 feather I don't want to respond to anyone in particular (except for the fool who envoked the halocaust) because I don't want this to turn into a political discussion. If it does turn into a political discussion, it will only serve to prove my point. It just seems obvious to me that the propaganda logo is going to criple this project, and someone needs to say what is not being said. The propaganda logo is divisive. It is disingenuous, perhaps both hostile and ignorant, to say that there is no cause for alarm to adopt the symbolism of the Soviets. +1 feather Gathering support for an open source project is difficult enough without creating additional barriers. Yankee sensiblities are one thing. Yes, we are big and tough, and our squemishness can come across as insecurity, but we are also a populous nation with many different cultures, religions, and belief systems in play. We accomodate other people, knowing that they might have come to use from a Cuban or Vietnamese boat-lift, or they might have had to leave home because they said the wrong thing about Ceausescu, perhaps they lost loved ones in Hungary, Siberia, Afganistan or to the Red Army Faction. When you brandish policial symbols you have to be prepared to address these greivences. Greivences addressed to the US, its corporations, and government agencies are never in short supply. Why would a US government agency want to invite the rage our political refugees and veterans feel for the crimes of our former adversaries? If this logo were afixed to a teen-ager's skateboard, most Americans would get the joke. But to place it on a government or corporate web site is daft. I doubt the British Home Office would be pleased to have a Stars and Stripes logo on their home page. For those of you who now conviently see the Cold War as a charade, it is a pity that we are all Alanticists here. There are plenty of Asian and Latin American countries still recovering from the idological wars. It was in these countries that hosted the killing portion of the Cold War. This logo will never fly in Taiwan, South Korea, or Hong Kong. You think a Taipei municipal web site can display the Maven logo? Basically, you've created an identity that is going to clash, and clash hard, with the identities of corporations (a Communist anathma), and government agencies around the world. You have created a logo that, for some, is going to envoke living memories of oppression. Now you are surpised that the logo is meeting resistance. So what's the Maven logo for? Is it about speading the word about Maven, building support and community? Or is it about challenging sensibilities? Feather or propaganda, take your pick. -- Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
* Mark R. Diggory [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-26 14:22]: Peter Bright wrote: The Chinese government is responsible, in one way or another, for probably around 35 million deaths between 1949 and the present day; whilst many millions of these deaths were attributable not to malice as such but to economic mismanagement resulting in famine. The Soviet regime between 1917 and 1990 is responsible for something in the vicinity of 62 million deaths, though this includes many millions killed during WWII. Hitler, by comparison, managed only about 21 million. That the Chinese and Russian regimes aren't held in the same light as Hitler's regime is a quirk of history rather than due to any particular merits that these regimes may have had; Stalin was a good guy -- for a few years, at least -- and managed to perform his acts if not in private then at least within his own borders. As such, the communist Chinese/Soviet imagery seems quite bizarre. These are not regimes that one would wish to deliberately associate with. The logo seems quite perverse. If your going to compare data like this,maybe you should normalize it a little for timescale: 1933 to 1944 ~ 10 Years, 21 million deaths = 2.1 million deaths a year 1949 to now ~ 54 Years, 35 million deaths = 0.6 million deaths a year 1917 to 1990 ~ 73 Years, 62 million deaths = 0.8 million deaths a year if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. Its very sad to consider when you compare the numbers, and still recognize we're talking about millions and millions of human lives. This is not a subject to be taken lightly upon. And I also suspect that US Foreign policy over the last 70 years probably looks as shameful if you count all the propped-up dictatorships and wars into it. If it was a feather to begin with I wouldn't have to read this crap. This is no place to discuss genocide. This is going to start reading like an AOL message board, with dreadful faux stats and horrible anecdotes from the History Channel. Mr Bright makes a valid point, about the logo, but the thread degenerates quickly into the sort of rambings I dispise. -- Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu wrote: degenerates quickly into the sort of rambings I dispise. So, is there really someone out here that sort of thinks in terms of the product instead of thinking in this general undebatable effect of a logo... To me, we need to document sufficiently the property to set to choose the logo and offer several alternatives out of the box. This should stand visible in the user-guide. It maybe is but the little I was bothered by this flag did not make me find the appropriate content. An alternative would be to actually consider a complete notion of skin. And this is probably going to happen very soon I think... xdoc implementors, hasn't it already been thought about ? With the cool download mechanism of maven, it really looks to be something we could easily do. Anyways... being able to refer to the appropriate place in the manual is probably the only answer that should have been made to the complaint. Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Libbrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28/11/2003 09:22:27 AM: Alain Javier Guarnieri del Gesu wrote: degenerates quickly into the sort of rambings I dispise. So, is there really someone out here that sort of thinks in terms of the product instead of thinking in this general undebatable effect of a logo... To me, we need to document sufficiently the property to set to choose the logo and offer several alternatives out of the box. This should stand visible in the user-guide. It maybe is but the little I was bothered by this flag did not make me find the appropriate content. It is placed as part of the documentation of the plugin. If you think it's better off in the user guide, please submit a patch. An alternative would be to actually consider a complete notion of skin. And this is probably going to happen very soon I think... xdoc implementors, hasn't it already been thought about ? With the cool download mechanism of maven, it really looks to be something we could easily do. It has been thought about. Noone's done it yet :-) Anyways... being able to refer to the appropriate place in the manual is probably the only answer that should have been made to the complaint. +1. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda -- Norbert Pabi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mercredi, nove 26, 2003, at 10:25 Europe/Paris, Norbert Pabi wrote: Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda +1 feather. (I would have loved the brewed) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda Much more striking, and because most non-US citizens probably find the whole debate baffling! (Though maybe Europeans would have had a similar reaction to the original poster if the logo had included a swastika) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1 feather (although not sure if I have a vote) from:John D Taylor (ROE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? 1 propaganda Much more striking, and because most non-US citizens probably find the whole debate baffling! (Though maybe Europeans would have had a similar reaction to the original poster if the logo had included a swastika) To me, this is about corporates objecting, not individuals - maven is outgrowing its OSS only roots. Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John D Taylor (ROE) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda Much more striking, and because most non-US citizens probably find the whole debate baffling! (Though maybe Europeans would have had a similar reaction to the original poster if the logo had included a swastika) It seems to me that they ought to have the same reaction to the propaganda logo, if they'd put Hitler into context. The propaganda logo is essentially a Chinese communist flag, though the reversed E looks to me to be a kind of faux Russian. The Chinese government is responsible, in one way or another, for probably around 35 million deaths between 1949 and the present day; whilst many millions of these deaths were attributable not to malice as such but to economic mismanagement resulting in famine. The Soviet regime between 1917 and 1990 is responsible for something in the vicinity of 62 million deaths, though this includes many millions killed during WWII. Hitler, by comparison, managed only about 21 million. That the Chinese and Russian regimes aren't held in the same light as Hitler's regime is a quirk of history rather than due to any particular merits that these regimes may have had; Stalin was a good guy -- for a few years, at least -- and managed to perform his acts if not in private then at least within his own borders. As such, the communist Chinese/Soviet imagery seems quite bizarre. These are not regimes that one would wish to deliberately associate with. The logo seems quite perverse. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Le Mercredi 26 Novembre 2003 10:25, Norbert Pabi a crit : Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda -- Charles-Alexandre SABOURDIN - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter Bright wrote: The Chinese government is responsible, in one way or another, for probably around 35 million deaths between 1949 and the present day; whilst many millions of these deaths were attributable not to malice as such but to economic mismanagement resulting in famine. The Soviet regime between 1917 and 1990 is responsible for something in the vicinity of 62 million deaths, though this includes many millions killed during WWII. Hitler, by comparison, managed only about 21 million. That the Chinese and Russian regimes aren't held in the same light as Hitler's regime is a quirk of history rather than due to any particular merits that these regimes may have had; Stalin was a good guy -- for a few years, at least -- and managed to perform his acts if not in private then at least within his own borders. As such, the communist Chinese/Soviet imagery seems quite bizarre. These are not regimes that one would wish to deliberately associate with. The logo seems quite perverse. If your going to compare data like this,maybe you should normalize it a little for timescale: 1933 to 1944 ~ 10 Years, 21 million deaths = 2.1 million deaths a year 1949 to now ~ 54 Years, 35 million deaths = 0.6 million deaths a year 1917 to 1990 ~ 73 Years, 62 million deaths = 0.8 million deaths a year if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. Its very sad to consider when you compare the numbers, and still recognize we're talking about millions and millions of human lives. This is not a subject to be taken lightly upon. And I also suspect that US Foreign policy over the last 70 years probably looks as shameful if you count all the propped-up dictatorships and wars into it. -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. No, they wouldn't, for the simple reason that he would have run out of Jews and Slavs to kill. He didn't have the population base to work with. And I would suggest that the per year is a little flawed; Gorbachev, for example, was incomparable to Stalin (during whose era most of the Soviet deaths occurred), and certainly not responsible for millions of deaths; similarly a significant proportion of the Chinese deaths were attributable to the Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976, and the events in the five years preceding the CR. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Somebody email Mike Godwin, and tell him we have a counterexample to his Law ( http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html ). Can we please drop this thread now, and get back to talking about Maven? -- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's hilarious. I've been listening to the conversation amusingly. Steve --- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody email Mike Godwin, and tell him we have a counterexample to his Law ( http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html ). Can we please drop this thread now, and get back to talking about Maven? -- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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STOP, STOP, STOP. It isn't a history forum. +1000 for the Ben logo. - Original Message - From: Peter Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Maven Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. No, they wouldn't, for the simple reason that he would have run out of Jews and Slavs to kill. He didn't have the population base to work with. And I would suggest that the per year is a little flawed; Gorbachev, for example, was incomparable to Stalin (during whose era most of the Soviet deaths occurred), and certainly not responsible for millions of deaths; similarly a significant proportion of the Chinese deaths were attributable to the Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976, and the events in the five years preceding the CR. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Brilliant! ;-) However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. -- This thread should have ended a long time ago! ;-) [+1] for feather! --- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody email Mike Godwin, and tell him we have a counterexample to his Law ( http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html ). Can we please drop this thread now, and get back to talking about Maven? -- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I stopped caring yesterday when I held a personal vote at my desk, had a unanimous outcome, and committed a change to the default logo. All this bickering is entertaining, but ultimately pointless. Any other committer is free to change the logo as they feel fit. Emmanuel Venisse wrote: STOP, STOP, STOP. It isn't a history forum. +1000 for the Ben logo. - Original Message - From: Peter Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Maven Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. No, they wouldn't, for the simple reason that he would have run out of Jews and Slavs to kill. He didn't have the population base to work with. And I would suggest that the per year is a little flawed; Gorbachev, for example, was incomparable to Stalin (during whose era most of the Soviet deaths occurred), and certainly not responsible for millions of deaths; similarly a significant proportion of the Chinese deaths were attributable to the Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976, and the events in the five years preceding the CR. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if.html - Original Message - From: Ben Walding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo I stopped caring yesterday when I held a personal vote at my desk, had a unanimous outcome, and committed a change to the default logo. All this bickering is entertaining, but ultimately pointless. Any other committer is free to change the logo as they feel fit. Emmanuel Venisse wrote: STOP, STOP, STOP. It isn't a history forum. +1000 for the Ben logo. - Original Message - From: Peter Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Maven Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [VOTE] The Maven Logo if the Nazi's had stayed in power till now (~70 years) with the same genocidal mentality witnessed during Hitler Germany, ~ 150 million people would be dead at the hands of Nazi's. No, they wouldn't, for the simple reason that he would have run out of Jews and Slavs to kill. He didn't have the population base to work with. And I would suggest that the per year is a little flawed; Gorbachev, for example, was incomparable to Stalin (during whose era most of the Soviet deaths occurred), and certainly not responsible for millions of deaths; similarly a significant proportion of the Chinese deaths were attributable to the Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976, and the events in the five years preceding the CR. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think the Java/programming world should have fights, kind of like celebrity deathmatch. Youngest java programmer vs. oldest perl programmer, that sort of thing. Steve --- Vikas Phonsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm kind of amazed at how much attention silly topics like this generate. On the java programming forum I posted a message to get some help on the wild threads in my application. Nobody answered that but there was a message from somebody who claimed that he's the youngest java programmer in the world and there were many many people responding to that. Also people were responding big time to a message about java poetry. I personally don't care abt any logo. I like maven for its functionality and that's about it. Vikas -Original Message- From: Scott Tavares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:07 PM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo Steve Lewis wrote: That's hilarious. I've been listening to the conversation amusingly. Steve --- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody email Mike Godwin, and tell him we have a counterexample to his Law ( http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html ). Can we please drop this thread now, and get back to talking about Maven? -- Craig S. Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Diddo.. that's just too funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
+1 propaganda. We're not talking politics, we're talking graphical imagery. If you're offended by something as simple as some old-fashioned soviet imagery, well you're bound to be offended by a hell of a lot of other things - possibly including my use of the word hell ;-) Matt Peter Bright wrote: John D Taylor (ROE) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 propaganda Much more striking, and because most non-US citizens probably find the whole debate baffling! (Though maybe Europeans would have had a similar reaction to the original poster if the logo had included a swastika) It seems to me that they ought to have the same reaction to the propaganda logo, if they'd put Hitler into context. The propaganda logo is essentially a Chinese communist flag, though the reversed E looks to me to be a kind of faux Russian. The Chinese government is responsible, in one way or another, for probably around 35 million deaths between 1949 and the present day; whilst many millions of these deaths were attributable not to malice as such but to economic mismanagement resulting in famine. The Soviet regime between 1917 and 1990 is responsible for something in the vicinity of 62 million deaths, though this includes many millions killed during WWII. Hitler, by comparison, managed only about 21 million. That the Chinese and Russian regimes aren't held in the same light as Hitler's regime is a quirk of history rather than due to any particular merits that these regimes may have had; Stalin was a good guy -- for a few years, at least -- and managed to perform his acts if not in private then at least within his own borders. As such, the communist Chinese/Soviet imagery seems quite bizarre. These are not regimes that one would wish to deliberately associate with. The logo seems quite perverse. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:48, Ben Walding wrote: http://projects.walding.com/powered/ Martin Skopp wrote: For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. +1, Full ACK. Start a vote. I take back that statement (the nipples argument convinced me :-)) After all, the vote is over and the decision has taken, see Ben's URL. To get rid of these never-ending-logo-discussions, I like to suggest to add ben's link or all the logos plus instructions how to change them to the FAQ. It's already a FAQ, isn't it? I changed http://wiki.codehaus.org/maven/XdocDocumentation where it's already a bit documented, maybe a commiter moves it to the maven FAQ. -- Martin Skopp Riege Software International GmbH Support: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Information: http://www.riege.com This email is intended to be viewed with a nonproportional font. Public Key on http://www.keyserver.net, Key-ID: 3D4027B5 Fingerprint: 1970 C78D 9A1D 99FA 5CE4 5C0D 29E6 6A95 3D40 27B5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://maven.apache.org/images/logos/maven-propaganda.png Vikas Phonsa wrote: Guys what logo are u talking abt, the one on the top right hand corner of http://maven.apache.org/. What's wrong with it. Just says MAVEN, what's communist or religious or political or any issue with it. I can't see any. I would rather spend time learning to use Maven or make it better. Even if it reminds somebody of something what's the big deal, would you stop using a tool which offers you so much functionality just cause it reminds a few people of some belief they don't like. Come on guys. Maybe I'm the bum over there but I fail to see any issue. If we want to make it more catchy or beautiful or something I can understand that. -Original Message- From: Jim Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:19 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: The Maven Logo +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. ;-) For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. It's a time-wasting distraction when introducing new users to maven. Put a cute little non-offensive koala bear or kitty cat or native american on the logo and let's move on. Jim Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1, change the default From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you mean http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/faq.html#powered-by Should be moved to the top level FAQ? Why?? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/ Martin Skopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25/11/2003 07:37:09 PM: On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:48, Ben Walding wrote: http://projects.walding.com/powered/ Martin Skopp wrote: For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. +1, Full ACK. Start a vote. I take back that statement (the nipples argument convinced me :-)) After all, the vote is over and the decision has taken, see Ben's URL. To get rid of these never-ending-logo-discussions, I like to suggest to add ben's link or all the logos plus instructions how to change them to the FAQ. It's already a FAQ, isn't it? I changed http://wiki.codehaus.org/maven/XdocDocumentation where it's already a bit documented, maybe a commiter moves it to the maven FAQ. -- Martin Skopp Riege Software International GmbH Support: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Information: http://www.riege.com This email is intended to be viewed with a nonproportional font. Public Key on http://www.keyserver.net, Key-ID: 3D4027B5 Fingerprint: 1970 C78D 9A1D 99FA 5CE4 5C0D 29E6 6A95 3D40 27B5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 feather - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 feather It could only offend poultry or head-dress makers. /* Joakim */
Re: [VOTE] The Maven Logo
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 10:38, Jim Crossley wrote: A runoff between the top 2 vote getters listed at http://projects.walding.com/powered/ propaganda or feather? +1 feather +1 feather Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think he is more referring to a faq about why we chose the supposed symbol of a communist country as opposed to something more neutral like our undisputed favourite... red-green! +1 red-green. Very Christmassy :) But other than that, probably the feather, for at least the reason that nobody will question it... - Brett
Re: The Maven Logo
Committers, Please keep the star as the default - it's distinctive, punchy, and bright, and shows a level of humour that is all-too-often missing from OSS projects. I've certainly become a maven propagandist over the past six months, and would hate to see the bland blanket of corporatisation kill a little fun. Above all else, it is a more professional graphic than any of the other offerings. In the end, though, I know that I can always change my projects to continue using it, without much hassle. So, if some Mammon-worshipper prefers not to be faced with a yellow star, so be it. Just be sure to keep the graphic available for your True Believers ;-) Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 15:18, Jim Crossley wrote: For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. +1, Full ACK. Start a vote. BTW dion/ben: What's the URL of Bens web site with logos and votes? cu -- Martin Skopp Riege Software International GmbH Support: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Information: http://www.riege.com This email is intended to be viewed with a nonproportional font. Public Key on http://www.keyserver.net, Key-ID: 3D4027B5 Fingerprint: 1970 C78D 9A1D 99FA 5CE4 5C0D 29E6 6A95 3D40 27B5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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be careful you don't choose a logo with round things in it, somebody will find a way to see nipples. -- sigh. - Original Message - From: Martin Skopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: Re: The Maven Logo On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 15:18, Jim Crossley wrote: For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. +1, Full ACK. Start a vote. BTW dion/ben: What's the URL of Bens web site with logos and votes? cu -- Martin Skopp Riege Software International GmbH Support: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Information: http://www.riege.com This email is intended to be viewed with a nonproportional font. Public Key on http://www.keyserver.net, Key-ID: 3D4027B5 Fingerprint: 1970 C78D 9A1D 99FA 5CE4 5C0D 29E6 6A95 3D40 27B5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Guys what logo are u talking abt, the one on the top right hand corner of http://maven.apache.org/. What's wrong with it. Just says MAVEN, what's communist or religious or political or any issue with it. I can't see any. I would rather spend time learning to use Maven or make it better. Even if it reminds somebody of something what's the big deal, would you stop using a tool which offers you so much functionality just cause it reminds a few people of some belief they don't like. Come on guys. Maybe I'm the bum over there but I fail to see any issue. If we want to make it more catchy or beautiful or something I can understand that. -Original Message- From: Jim Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:19 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: The Maven Logo +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. ;-) For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. It's a time-wasting distraction when introducing new users to maven. Put a cute little non-offensive koala bear or kitty cat or native american on the logo and let's move on. Jim Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1, change the default From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://projects.walding.com/powered/ Martin Skopp wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 15:18, Jim Crossley wrote: For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. +1, Full ACK. Start a vote. BTW dion/ben: What's the URL of Bens web site with logos and votes? cu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1, change the default From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] khote wrote: visit http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/properties.html Look in your $MAVEN_HOME_LOCAL/plugins/maven-xdoc-plugin-#/ Look in the plugin.properties, see the lines: # The logo to show on the generated site. No default at present (competition isn't closed) maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-propaganda.png maven.xdoc.poweredby.title=Powered by Maven maven.xdoc.poweredby.url=http://maven.apache.org/ look in the plugins-resources subdirectory, images/logos. You can choose any of the other powerdby images, simply set maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-frankenstein.png You can stash your own logo in there and choose it. - Original Message - From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: The Maven Logo Hi all, Right off the bat, this post is NOT intended to start a flame fest or offend anyone. With that said, I work for the State of Rhode Island department of corrections. We are at the very early stages of re-writing our core application. We will be using Maven as our build tool, and in so doing I'd like to put the powered by maven logo link on our development web site but... As I said, this project is a State of Rhode Island project and being so, politics are a major issue. Now here is where the logo comes in; After showing the web site that Maven generates to a supervisor, it was pointed out to me (and I fully agree with) that Maven logo looks like it's right of communist china (no offense to the Chinese people or their government). This on a U.S. State government sponsored project just is not going to fly. What I am asking for is that the Maven community reconsider the default logo for one of the others found in the xdoc plugin. If I may be so bold to cast a vote (seeing that I'm not a committer on this project... yet!) for maven-bulldozer.png which has no political inference. TIA -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. ;-) For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. It's a time-wasting distraction when introducing new users to maven. Put a cute little non-offensive koala bear or kitty cat or native american on the logo and let's move on. Jim Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1, change the default From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Jim Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: The Maven Logo +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. If you did that, every politician in the US would want a maven generated site. Gotta get those AIPAC contributions, you know--it's an election year ;-) I don't understand the Sinophobia. Most pols in the country are currently engaged in pushing economic stimulus packages through our congress so that we can create more jobs in China and India. (p.s. if you do need to redesign it, let me know. I'll be happy to do that--I just finished ramping up the mx4j.sf.net website ; ) +1 -- N. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 [very respectable logo, I think.] Henri Yandell wrote: Was half of a mind to go find an open source site using red, white and blue and demand that they change their logo too. However, there's no real reason for Maven to have this logo, it gets the same reaction every time, [the name: maven-propaganda is interesting] and: http://maven.apache.org/images/logos/maven-feather.png seems a perfectly happy replacement with Maven being a TLP. It even has the right wordage, as Maven sites are built-by Maven and not really powered-by. It's also the one that I believe we've chosen to use over at Jakarta Commons as the most obvious for an ASF project to be using. Hen On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, n. alex rupp wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: The Maven Logo +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. If you did that, every politician in the US would want a maven generated site. Gotta get those AIPAC contributions, you know--it's an election year ;-) I don't understand the Sinophobia. Most pols in the country are currently engaged in pushing economic stimulus packages through our congress so that we can create more jobs in China and India. (p.s. if you do need to redesign it, let me know. I'll be happy to do that--I just finished ramping up the mx4j.sf.net website ; ) +1 -- N. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Diggory Software Developer Harvard MIT Data Center http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Start a thread with a [vote] subject, and get some votes, or better still, do as Ben did, and set up a web site with logos and votes. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/ Jim Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24/11/2003 02:18:35 AM: +1 to change it I say we move from politics to religion. Since 'maven' is a yiddish word, let's put a star of david on the logo. ;-) For me, it's not a question of offensiveness, but laziness: I'm tired of answering questions about it. It's a time-wasting distraction when introducing new users to maven. Put a cute little non-offensive koala bear or kitty cat or native american on the logo and let's move on. Jim Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1, change the default From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Maven Logo
Hi all, Right off the bat, this post is NOT intended to start a flame fest or offend anyone. With that said, I work for the State of Rhode Island department of corrections. We are at the very early stages of re-writing our core application. We will be using Maven as our build tool, and in so doing I'd like to put the powered by maven logo link on our development web site but... As I said, this project is a State of Rhode Island project and being so, politics are a major issue. Now here is where the logo comes in; After showing the web site that Maven generates to a supervisor, it was pointed out to me (and I fully agree with) that Maven logo looks like it's right of communist china (no offense to the Chinese people or their government). This on a U.S. State government sponsored project just is not going to fly. What I am asking for is that the Maven community reconsider the default logo for one of the others found in the xdoc plugin. If I may be so bold to cast a vote (seeing that I'm not a committer on this project... yet!) for maven-bulldozer.png which has no political inference. TIA -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Maven Logo
visit http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/properties.html Look in your $MAVEN_HOME_LOCAL/plugins/maven-xdoc-plugin-#/ Look in the plugin.properties, see the lines: # The logo to show on the generated site. No default at present (competition isn't closed) maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-propaganda.png maven.xdoc.poweredby.title=Powered by Maven maven.xdoc.poweredby.url=http://maven.apache.org/ look in the plugins-resources subdirectory, images/logos. You can choose any of the other powerdby images, simply set maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-frankenstein.png You can stash your own logo in there and choose it. - Original Message - From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: The Maven Logo Hi all, Right off the bat, this post is NOT intended to start a flame fest or offend anyone. With that said, I work for the State of Rhode Island department of corrections. We are at the very early stages of re-writing our core application. We will be using Maven as our build tool, and in so doing I'd like to put the powered by maven logo link on our development web site but... As I said, this project is a State of Rhode Island project and being so, politics are a major issue. Now here is where the logo comes in; After showing the web site that Maven generates to a supervisor, it was pointed out to me (and I fully agree with) that Maven logo looks like it's right of communist china (no offense to the Chinese people or their government). This on a U.S. State government sponsored project just is not going to fly. What I am asking for is that the Maven community reconsider the default logo for one of the others found in the xdoc plugin. If I may be so bold to cast a vote (seeing that I'm not a committer on this project... yet!) for maven-bulldozer.png which has no political inference. TIA -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Maven Logo
Just change it via properties - http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/faq.html#powered-by Scott Tavares wrote: Hi all, Right off the bat, this post is NOT intended to start a flame fest or offend anyone. With that said, I work for the State of Rhode Island department of corrections. We are at the very early stages of re-writing our core application. We will be using Maven as our build tool, and in so doing I'd like to put the powered by maven logo link on our development web site but... As I said, this project is a State of Rhode Island project and being so, politics are a major issue. Now here is where the logo comes in; After showing the web site that Maven generates to a supervisor, it was pointed out to me (and I fully agree with) that Maven logo looks like it's right of communist china (no offense to the Chinese people or their government). This on a U.S. State government sponsored project just is not going to fly. What I am asking for is that the Maven community reconsider the default logo for one of the others found in the xdoc plugin. If I may be so bold to cast a vote (seeing that I'm not a committer on this project... yet!) for maven-bulldozer.png which has no political inference. TIA -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Maven Logo
Well my response to this is two fold, 1st thanks for responding so quickly. I kinda' knew that there must be some config file somewhere to select one of the other logos in the xdoc plugin but I did not know where. And again thanks for pointing it out to me as to where all the other xdoc magic happens. My 2nd response is that the 'default' logo, IMOP still needs to be changed, even though ... competition isn't closed. In fact, I'd like to the see that logo removed altogether from the competition because of its potential inflammatory political bend (which has no place in an OSS project). -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] khote wrote: visit http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/xdoc/properties.html Look in your $MAVEN_HOME_LOCAL/plugins/maven-xdoc-plugin-#/ Look in the plugin.properties, see the lines: # The logo to show on the generated site. No default at present (competition isn't closed) maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-propaganda.png maven.xdoc.poweredby.title=Powered by Maven maven.xdoc.poweredby.url=http://maven.apache.org/ look in the plugins-resources subdirectory, images/logos. You can choose any of the other powerdby images, simply set maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=maven-frankenstein.png You can stash your own logo in there and choose it. - Original Message - From: Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maven Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: The Maven Logo Hi all, Right off the bat, this post is NOT intended to start a flame fest or offend anyone. With that said, I work for the State of Rhode Island department of corrections. We are at the very early stages of re-writing our core application. We will be using Maven as our build tool, and in so doing I'd like to put the powered by maven logo link on our development web site but... As I said, this project is a State of Rhode Island project and being so, politics are a major issue. Now here is where the logo comes in; After showing the web site that Maven generates to a supervisor, it was pointed out to me (and I fully agree with) that Maven logo looks like it's right of communist china (no offense to the Chinese people or their government). This on a U.S. State government sponsored project just is not going to fly. What I am asking for is that the Maven community reconsider the default logo for one of the others found in the xdoc plugin. If I may be so bold to cast a vote (seeing that I'm not a committer on this project... yet!) for maven-bulldozer.png which has no political inference. TIA -ScottTavares- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maven logo
Kristine Weissbarth wrote: Thanks, that's it! It's not very polite to remove the logo completly - don't you think that Jason and the rest of the gang deserve some credit for their work? If you don like the red logo image, there are many other nicer looking maven logos to choose from, take a look at the directory. maven/src/plugins-build/xdoc/src/plugin-resources/images/logos When you decide on one of those, put the following into your project.properties: maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=images/logos/logo of choice R. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maven logo
I know, don't worry. It was just to know how to manipulate the stuff on the Site. I already found the other logos and prefer the blue ones. But thanks anyway. Am Fre, 2003-06-20 um 12.57 schrieb Rafal Krzewski: Kristine Weissbarth wrote: Thanks, that's it! It's not very polite to remove the logo completly - don't you think that Jason and the rest of the gang deserve some credit for their work? If you don like the red logo image, there are many other nicer looking maven logos to choose from, take a look at the directory. maven/src/plugins-build/xdoc/src/plugin-resources/images/logos When you decide on one of those, put the following into your project.properties: maven.xdoc.poweredby.image=images/logos/logo of choice R. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: maven logo
Kristine, Add the following property in your project.properties maven.xdoc.poweredby.image= the image will go away... Regards, RK -Original Message- From: Kristine Weissbarth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:06 PM To: Maven Users List Subject: maven logo hi, it's maybe a bit stupid question, but does anybody know how to get that little red maven logo away from the documentation website. I saw that the apache db-site project excluded it too but couldn't figure out what to do. It's somehow generated automatically isn't it? Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
