Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Owen Thomas]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-thomas-84564a13b/ I think will be me.

On 8 March 2018 at 11:32, John Muczynski  wrote:

> There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn !
>
>
> --
> Johnny Muczynski
> 734-262-2045
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to
>> people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them ensconced in
>> a nomadic lifestyle where the contributor must move involuntarily at the
>> whims of employers. I've hence resolved only to contribute time voluntarily
>> when (or indeed if) I find an employer who understands that I can make a
>> contribution without having to consider relocation.
>>
>> If you know anyone who will let me work this way, then let me know.
>> You'll find that I have a LinkedIn profile.
>>
>> On 8 March 2018 at 10:46, Frank Burough  wrote:
>>
>>> Owen:
>>>
>>> I am a currently unemployed software engineer myself. I have been in the
>>> industry in various roles for well over 30 years but am not ready to
>>> retire. However, I look at my current time of unemployment as an
>>> opportunity to pay back to the NetBeans community some of what I have
>>> gained from it. Until the recent emails about joining the NetCAT 9.0 effort
>>> I had not considered volunteering for the work. However, after completing
>>> this email to you I will sign up to put my time where my mouth is. I can
>>> afford the time now, once I am employed again I will not be able to.
>>>
>>> I don’t mean to be critical of you, just trying to offer a different
>>> viewpoint on being unemployed at the moment.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Frank Burough
>>>
>>> > On Mar 7, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Owen Thomas 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I quite enjoy NetBeans, and I would like to aver my wishes for it's
>>> ongoing success. I am looking at contributing to this thread with some
>>> hesitation, so I'll put my statements forth, and then see what becomes of
>>> what I say before I venture more.
>>> >
>>> > Contributing more than "anonymous usage data" is a contentious move
>>> for me because I am somewhat sore over the fact that I cannot secure a paid
>>> job in an industry which I have sought contribution since I was 15 (29
>>> years' ago). I don't find the proposition encouraging of my offering my
>>> time for nothing in an industry (a wider context than just NetBeans) too
>>> conceited to pay for my time as a contributor who would work in a part-time
>>> capacity and from a place of his own choosing.
>>> >
>>> > Although I appear to gain from the voluntary contribution of others to
>>> this extent, I want someone to start paying me for the skills I have honed
>>> over nearly three decades in such a way as I can make a sustainable
>>> contribution. I don't want to give my time freely within this industry
>>> unless I first derive an income with the skills I have.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry that I cannot contribute any more than usage data.
>>> >
>>> >   Owen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[John Muczynski]

There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn !


--
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734-262-2045

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas 
wrote:

> I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to
> people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them ensconced in
> a nomadic lifestyle where the contributor must move involuntarily at the
> whims of employers. I've hence resolved only to contribute time voluntarily
> when (or indeed if) I find an employer who understands that I can make a
> contribution without having to consider relocation.
>
> If you know anyone who will let me work this way, then let me know. You'll
> find that I have a LinkedIn profile.
>
> On 8 March 2018 at 10:46, Frank Burough  wrote:
>
>> Owen:
>>
>> I am a currently unemployed software engineer myself. I have been in the
>> industry in various roles for well over 30 years but am not ready to
>> retire. However, I look at my current time of unemployment as an
>> opportunity to pay back to the NetBeans community some of what I have
>> gained from it. Until the recent emails about joining the NetCAT 9.0 effort
>> I had not considered volunteering for the work. However, after completing
>> this email to you I will sign up to put my time where my mouth is. I can
>> afford the time now, once I am employed again I will not be able to.
>>
>> I don’t mean to be critical of you, just trying to offer a different
>> viewpoint on being unemployed at the moment.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Frank Burough
>>
>> > On Mar 7, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Owen Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I quite enjoy NetBeans, and I would like to aver my wishes for it's
>> ongoing success. I am looking at contributing to this thread with some
>> hesitation, so I'll put my statements forth, and then see what becomes of
>> what I say before I venture more.
>> >
>> > Contributing more than "anonymous usage data" is a contentious move for
>> me because I am somewhat sore over the fact that I cannot secure a paid job
>> in an industry which I have sought contribution since I was 15 (29 years'
>> ago). I don't find the proposition encouraging of my offering my time for
>> nothing in an industry (a wider context than just NetBeans) too conceited
>> to pay for my time as a contributor who would work in a part-time capacity
>> and from a place of his own choosing.
>> >
>> > Although I appear to gain from the voluntary contribution of others to
>> this extent, I want someone to start paying me for the skills I have honed
>> over nearly three decades in such a way as I can make a sustainable
>> contribution. I don't want to give my time freely within this industry
>> unless I first derive an income with the skills I have.
>> >
>> > Sorry that I cannot contribute any more than usage data.
>> >
>> >   Owen.
>>
>>
>

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[John McDonnell]

I got something slightly different...

I have a good signature when verifying the .asc file, but when I do an md5
or sha1 check on the zip file I get different results as to whats currently
on the website:

Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ wget
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
--2018-03-07 23:48:01--
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
Resolving dist.apache.org... 209.188.14.144
Connecting to dist.apache.org|209.188.14.144|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 167193685 (159M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: 'incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip'

incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
100%[>]
159.45M  2.61MB/s   in 57s

2018-03-07 23:48:58 (2.80 MB/s) -
'incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip' saved [167193685/167193685]

Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ wget
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
--2018-03-07 23:49:49--
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta-rc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
Resolving dist.apache.org... 209.188.14.144
Connecting to dist.apache.org|209.188.14.144|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 833 [text/plain]
Saving to: 'incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc'

incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
100%[>]
   833  --.-KB/s   in 0s

2018-03-07 23:49:49 (18.9 MB/s) -
'incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc' saved [833/833]

Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ gpg --verify
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
gpg: Signature made Sun  4 Feb 13:57:10 2018 GMT
gpg:using RSA key 51B0E375B4941714A809F90E13E9F7AE3A4FD551
gpg: Good signature from "geert...@apache.org (Key for signing Apache
NetBeans & co. releases.) " [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:  There is no indication that the signature belongs to the
owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 51B0 E375 B494 1714 A809  F90E 13E9 F7AE 3A4F D551

Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ md5
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
MD5 (incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip) =
05d71d0e2a9360b3402c6068425773db
Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ shasum
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
0e9dbf7f70ceacf5b86b8e0ec1ea80b26d93293b
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

Regards

John

On 7 March 2018 at 23:12, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Would be good if someone would verify this -- when I look at the VOTE
> thread, the source signatures have been verified:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/859cbc7d2f4631983e48e24e7c1053
> 439cbebfee133cc9b3745046b4@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> However, quite possibly the convenience binary signature has been checked
> -- since Apache releases source code and not binaries, which are optionally
> included for convenience only.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Leo Donahue  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is this the right list for this question?
>>
>> I'm trying to verify the PGP ASC and KEY file but I get a bad signature
>> message.
>>
>> I'm here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html
>>
>> In Terminal:
>> wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
>> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-
>> netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>>
>> wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>>
>> pgp --import KEYS
>>
>> gpg --verify incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
>> Downloads/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
>>
>>
>> output:
>>
>> gpg: Signature made Wed 10 Jan 2018 03:41:31 PM MST
>> gpg:using RSA key B4C1940FEA9364F1
>> gpg: BAD signature from "Jan Lahoda (Key for signing Apache NetBeans &
>> co. releases.) " [unknown]
>>
>> What did I forget to do?
>>
>
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Frank Burough]

Owen:

I am a currently unemployed software engineer myself. I have been in the 
industry in various roles for well over 30 years but am not ready to retire. 
However, I look at my current time of unemployment as an opportunity to pay 
back to the NetBeans community some of what I have gained from it. Until the 
recent emails about joining the NetCAT 9.0 effort I had not considered 
volunteering for the work. However, after completing this email to you I will 
sign up to put my time where my mouth is. I can afford the time now, once I am 
employed again I will not be able to. 

I don’t mean to be critical of you, just trying to offer a different viewpoint 
on being unemployed at the moment.

Take care,

Frank Burough

> On Mar 7, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Owen Thomas  wrote:
> 
> I quite enjoy NetBeans, and I would like to aver my wishes for it's ongoing 
> success. I am looking at contributing to this thread with some hesitation, so 
> I'll put my statements forth, and then see what becomes of what I say before 
> I venture more.
> 
> Contributing more than "anonymous usage data" is a contentious move for me 
> because I am somewhat sore over the fact that I cannot secure a paid job in 
> an industry which I have sought contribution since I was 15 (29 years' ago). 
> I don't find the proposition encouraging of my offering my time for nothing 
> in an industry (a wider context than just NetBeans) too conceited to pay for 
> my time as a contributor who would work in a part-time capacity and from a 
> place of his own choosing.
> 
> Although I appear to gain from the voluntary contribution of others to this 
> extent, I want someone to start paying me for the skills I have honed over 
> nearly three decades in such a way as I can make a sustainable contribution. 
> I don't want to give my time freely within this industry unless I first 
> derive an income with the skills I have.
> 
> Sorry that I cannot contribute any more than usage data.
> 
>   Owen.


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Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Would be good if someone would verify this -- when I look at the VOTE
thread, the source signatures have been verified:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/859cbc7d2f4631983e48e24e7c1053439cbebfee133cc9b3745046b4@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E

However, quite possibly the convenience binary signature has been checked
-- since Apache releases source code and not binaries, which are optionally
included for convenience only.

Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Leo Donahue  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is this the right list for this question?
>
> I'm trying to verify the PGP ASC and KEY file but I get a bad signature
> message.
>
> I'm here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html
>
> In Terminal:
> wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/
> incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-
> beta-bin.zip.asc
>
> wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
>
> pgp --import KEYS
>
> gpg --verify incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
> Downloads/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip
>
>
> output:
>
> gpg: Signature made Wed 10 Jan 2018 03:41:31 PM MST
> gpg:using RSA key B4C1940FEA9364F1
> gpg: BAD signature from "Jan Lahoda (Key for signing Apache NetBeans & co.
> releases.) " [unknown]
>
> What did I forget to do?
>

incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

[Leo Donahue]

Hi,

Is this the right list for this question?

I'm trying to verify the PGP ASC and KEY file but I get a bad signature
message.

I'm here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html

In Terminal:
wget
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc

wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS

pgp --import KEYS

gpg --verify incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip.asc
Downloads/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip


output:

gpg: Signature made Wed 10 Jan 2018 03:41:31 PM MST
gpg:using RSA key B4C1940FEA9364F1
gpg: BAD signature from "Jan Lahoda (Key for signing Apache NetBeans & co.
releases.) " [unknown]

What did I forget to do?

JRE updates and the new development cycle.

[Derik Devecchio]

This is possibly off topic.

Does anyone on this list know how Java.com and the JRE update 
program will treat the 6 month development cycle planned for Java 10+?

Currently neither of these tools is pushing Java 9 to end users yet, and Java 
10 will be here soon!

I bring this up because, historically, I couldn’t release code for any version 
of Java that wasn’t “public”.   So for example I couldn’t release code, or even 
seriously write code, for Java 8 until long after it had been officially 
released.   I have to believe that many other corporate developers have a 
similar restriction.

While we are on the subject, is there a way to make the Java updater just 
update automatically like my web browser?   I maintain 5 computers (some of the 
virtual) and I am constantly updating the JRE.  It is just getting kind of 
annoying.   One of the product managers here complained that he didn’t like 
having to do it every 3 months on just ONE computer.   Maybe autoupdates would 
be bad for some corporate environments, but it would be good for me personally.

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

[Jiří Kovalský]

Awesome! If you can help with testing the GUI Builder we would actually 
very much appreciate it.


In order to participate we will need your JIRA account, Synergy account, 
version and distro of your Linux, CPU & RAM configuration, minimal 
weekly availability and tribe of your choice. See here:


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants

Thanks Chuck!
-Jirka

Dne 7.3.2018 v 21:51 Chuck Davis napsal(a):

I'm currently in Seattle working on a contract accounting project but 
when I get home Friday I'll join NetCAT.  Any particular area of need?  
I'll be using Linux.


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga 
> wrote:



Excellent. Click the link st the start of ths thread and join the
NetCAT program.

I’ve now heard from several people who’re concerned they’re not
skilled enough to participate in NetCAT. Please put that concern
aside. You’ll join a NetCAT tribe, based on your feature of choice
in NetBeans, and the tribe leader will guide you through the
process. It’s really not rocket science and you’ll be surprised how
useful your feedback will be.


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RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

[Greenberg, Gary]

I solved the problem by editing proxies section in my C:\Program 
Files\NetBeans\8.2\java\maven\conf\settings.xml file

From: Greenberg, Gary [mailto:ggree...@visa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:54 AM
To: John McDonnell 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

Just tried it and got same errors.

From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:34 AM
To: Greenberg, Gary >
Cc: 
us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

Hi Gary,

I just tried it there, created a new project in NetBeans 8.2 (Maven -> Web 
Application) and didn't have any issues.

Have you tried the command line, i.e. creating the project using a Maven 
archetype?

$ mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId={project-packaging}
-DartifactId={project-name}
-DarchetypeArtifactId=maven-archetype-webapp
-DinteractiveMode=false


Regards

John

On 7 March 2018 at 17:50, Greenberg, Gary 
> wrote:
I am trying to create new Maven Web project.
Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the following:

Scanning for projects...
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:jar:2.7
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-site-plugin/3.0/maven-site-plugin-3.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0 or one of its dependencies could 
not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:jar:3.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/1.3/maven-antrun-plugin-1.3.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:jar:1.3
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-assembly-plugin/2.2-beta-5/maven-assembly-plugin-2.2-beta-5.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5 or one of its 
dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:jar:2.2-beta-5
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-dependency-plugin/2.1/maven-dependency-plugin-2.1.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:jar:2.1
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-release-plugin/2.0/maven-release-plugin-2.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:jar:2.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-metadata.xml
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/codehaus/mojo/maven-metadata.xml
Could not transfer metadata org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Could not transfer metadata org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository, 
resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has 
elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata 
org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to central 
(http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from 

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

[Chuck Davis]

I'm currently in Seattle working on a contract accounting project but when
I get home Friday I'll join NetCAT.  Any particular area of need?  I'll be
using Linux.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Excellent. Click the link st the start of ths thread and join the NetCAT
> program.
>
> I’ve now heard from several people who’re concerned they’re not skilled
> enough to participate in NetCAT. Please put that concern aside. You’ll join
> a NetCAT tribe, based on your feature of choice in NetBeans, and the tribe
> leader will guide you through the process. It’s really not rocket science
> and you’ll be surprised how useful your feedback will be.
>
>
>

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Excellent. Click the link st the start of ths thread and join the NetCAT
program.

I’ve now heard from several people who’re concerned they’re not skilled
enough to participate in NetCAT. Please put that concern aside. You’ll join
a NetCAT tribe, based on your feature of choice in NetBeans, and the tribe
leader will guide you through the process. It’s really not rocket science
and you’ll be surprised how useful your feedback will be.

Gj

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, Chuck Davis  wrote:

> Being recently retired  I have some time on my hands.
>
> I am not an expert at anything but if somebody wants to hold my hand and
> tell me what to do -- I'll try.
>
> I've used the GUI builder substantially in the past but have moved on to
> FX for my apps.  I need to learn how Maven works -- it's a big mystery.
>
> I'm willing to work anywhere something is needed.  I am willing to do all
> the sign-ups if there is something somebody would like me to do.
>
> I've been a freeloader for a lot of years.  If I can give back that would
> be awesome.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We're starting the final stage before the official first release of
>> Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> Now is the time to get involved. Now is the time to test features and
>> raise issues -- not afterwards, when it is too late, but now.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

[Chuck Davis]

Being recently retired  I have some time on my hands.

I am not an expert at anything but if somebody wants to hold my hand and
tell me what to do -- I'll try.

I've used the GUI builder substantially in the past but have moved on to FX
for my apps.  I need to learn how Maven works -- it's a big mystery.

I'm willing to work anywhere something is needed.  I am willing to do all
the sign-ups if there is something somebody would like me to do.

I've been a freeloader for a lot of years.  If I can give back that would
be awesome.



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We're starting the final stage before the official first release of Apache
> NetBeans.
>
> Now is the time to get involved. Now is the time to test features and
> raise issues -- not afterwards, when it is too late, but now.
>
>
>

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

[Niklas Matthies]

Done. I also created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-452.

Niklas

On Wed 2018-03-07 at 12:30h, cowwoc wrote on users:
> PSA: Please move discussion over to
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :)
> 
> Thank you,
> Gili
> 
> On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies wrote:
> > I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always
> > inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no
> > option for inserting fully qualified names in regular Java code
> > either. IMHO the javadoc code completion should just work the same way
> > as the code completion in regular Java code.
> > 
> > A related issue is that javadoc code completion currently doesn't
> > support camel case initials-based code completion, e.g., typing "BAOS"
> > to complete to "ByteArrayOutputStream" doesn't work in javadoc
> > context, unlike in regular Java code.
> > 
> > Niklas
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed 2018-03-07 at 09:51h, Thomas Kellerer wrote on users:
> > > I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion"
> > > section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs.
> > > 
> > > Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if
> > > that class is already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs
> > > share the same "visibility" rules as regular classes.
> > > 
> > > Thomas
> > > 
> > > Paul Szudzik schrieb am 06.03.2018 um 18:34:
> > > > Hopefully this would be an option flag.. Otherwise I wouldn't know
> > > > if I was overriding something by accident via a library load.. so,
> > > > I would vote for option check, where if it was CHECKED, would drop
> > > > the fully qualified class names for base and non-overridden
> > > > functions..  If I do override a function, then the fully qualified
> > > > path should show..
> > > > 
> > > > Just concerned about this request
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message- From: Thomas Kellerer
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:42 PM
> > > > To: NetBeans Users
> > > > Subject: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion
> > > > 
> > > > When using code-completion in JavaDocs (e.g. for a @see
> > > > attribute), NetBeans always inserts fully qualifed class names for
> > > > parameters, e.g.
> > > > 
> > > >     @see #someMethod(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible (in 8.2 or 9.0) to disable this, so that the above is 
> > > > written as:
> > > > 
> > > >     @see #someMethod(String, String)
> > > > 
> > > > This is not so much a problem with JDK classes, but with our own 
> > > > classes which tend to have longer package names.
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

[Greenberg, Gary]

Just tried it and got same errors.

From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:34 AM
To: Greenberg, Gary 
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

Hi Gary,

I just tried it there, created a new project in NetBeans 8.2 (Maven -> Web 
Application) and didn't have any issues.

Have you tried the command line, i.e. creating the project using a Maven 
archetype?

$ mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId={project-packaging}
-DartifactId={project-name}
-DarchetypeArtifactId=maven-archetype-webapp
-DinteractiveMode=false


Regards

John

On 7 March 2018 at 17:50, Greenberg, Gary 
> wrote:
I am trying to create new Maven Web project.
Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the following:

Scanning for projects...
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:jar:2.7
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-site-plugin/3.0/maven-site-plugin-3.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0 or one of its dependencies could 
not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:jar:3.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/1.3/maven-antrun-plugin-1.3.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:jar:1.3
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-assembly-plugin/2.2-beta-5/maven-assembly-plugin-2.2-beta-5.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5 or one of its 
dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:jar:2.2-beta-5
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-dependency-plugin/2.1/maven-dependency-plugin-2.1.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:jar:2.1
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-release-plugin/2.0/maven-release-plugin-2.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:jar:2.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-metadata.xml
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/codehaus/mojo/maven-metadata.xml
Could not transfer metadata org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Could not transfer metadata org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository, 
resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has 
elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata 
org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to central 
(http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository, 
resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has 
elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata 
org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to central 
(http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): 
repo.maven.apache.org

Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

[John McDonnell]

Hi Gary,

I just tried it there, created a new project in NetBeans 8.2 (Maven -> Web
Application) and didn't have any issues.

Have you tried the command line, i.e. creating the project using a Maven
archetype?

$ mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId={project-packaging}
-DartifactId={project-name}
-DarchetypeArtifactId=maven-archetype-webapp
-DinteractiveMode=false


Regards

John

On 7 March 2018 at 17:50, Greenberg, Gary  wrote:

> I am trying to create new Maven Web project.
>
> Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the
> following:
>
>
>
> Scanning for projects...
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7:
> Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7 or one of its
> dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:jar:2.7
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-site-plugin/3.0/maven-site-plugin-3.0.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0:
> Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0 or one of its
> dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:jar:3.0
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/1.3/maven-antrun-plugin-1.3.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3:
> Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3 or one of its
> dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:jar:1.3
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-assembly-plugin/2.2-beta-5/maven-assembly-
> plugin-2.2-beta-5.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for org.apache.maven.plugins:
> maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5: Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:
> maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5 or one of its dependencies could not be
> resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for org.apache.maven.plugins:
> maven-assembly-plugin:jar:2.2-beta-5
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-dependency-plugin/2.1/maven-dependency-plugin-2.1.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1:
> Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1 or one of its
> dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:jar:2.1
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-release-plugin/2.0/maven-release-plugin-2.0.pom
>
> Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0:
> Plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0 or one of its
> dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for
> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:jar:2.0
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/
> plugins/maven-metadata.xml
>
> Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/codehaus/mojo/
> maven-metadata.xml
>
> Could not transfer metadata org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml
> from/to central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2):
> repo.maven.apache.org
>
> Could not transfer metadata org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to
> central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
>
> Failure to transfer org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from
> http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository,
> resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has
> elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata
> org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to central (
> http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
>
> Failure to transfer org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from
> http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository,
> resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has
> elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata
> org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to central (
> http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
>
> 
>
> BUILD FAILURE
>
> 
>
> Total time: 0.891s
>
> Finished at: Tue Mar 06 18:26:09 PST 2018
>
> Final Memory: 14M/489M
>
> 
>
>
>
> I can open 

Re: Using Maven Web Apps with Netbeans 9 BETA

[Enrico Olivelli]

Il mer 7 mar 2018, 00:35 John Muczynski  ha scritto:

> Hi Enrico,
>
> The module interfaces and update sites have the same apis in both 8.2 and
> 9.0 so ...
> just connect your 9.0 to an update site for NetBeans 8.2 and away you go.
>
It is working!
Thank you
Enrico

>
> Kind Regards,
> Johnny
> I love NB too
>
> --
> Johnny Muczynski
> 734-262-2045
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Enrico Olivelli 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there any way to use maven web app support modules of 8.2 in 9.0 beta?
>> I know that part of NB has not been 'donated' yet but maybe there is a
>> chance to copy those modules to 9.0 but I don't know which files to
>> copy/install and if there are compatibility issues
>>
>> Thank you
>> I love NB
>> Enrico
>> --
>>
>>
>> -- Enrico Olivelli
>>
>
> --


-- Enrico Olivelli

Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

[Greenberg, Gary]

I am trying to create new Maven Web project.
Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the following:

Scanning for projects...
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:2.7 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-deploy-plugin:jar:2.7
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-site-plugin/3.0/maven-site-plugin-3.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0 or one of its dependencies could 
not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:jar:3.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/1.3/maven-antrun-plugin-1.3.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:1.3 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-antrun-plugin:jar:1.3
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-assembly-plugin/2.2-beta-5/maven-assembly-plugin-2.2-beta-5.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:2.2-beta-5 or one of its 
dependencies could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-assembly-plugin:jar:2.2-beta-5
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-dependency-plugin/2.1/maven-dependency-plugin-2.1.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:2.1 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-dependency-plugin:jar:2.1
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-release-plugin/2.0/maven-release-plugin-2.0.pom
Failed to retrieve plugin descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0: Plugin 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:2.0 or one of its dependencies 
could not be resolved: Failed to read artifact descriptor for 
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-release-plugin:jar:2.0
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-metadata.xml
Downloading: 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/codehaus/mojo/maven-metadata.xml
Could not transfer metadata org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
Could not transfer metadata org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to 
central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository, 
resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has 
elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata 
org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-metadata.xml from/to central 
(http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org
Failure to transfer org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from 
http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository, 
resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of central has 
elapsed or updates are forced. Original error: Could not transfer metadata 
org.codehaus.mojo/maven-metadata.xml from/to central 
(http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2): repo.maven.apache.org

BUILD FAILURE

Total time: 0.891s
Finished at: Tue Mar 06 18:26:09 PST 2018
Final Memory: 14M/489M


I can open http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 in my browser, so it doesn't 
look like a firewall issue.
Where is the catch?

Thanks,
Gary Greenberg
Staff Software Engineer
ggree...@visa.com
Mobile: (650)269-7902

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[José J . Rodriguez]

Neil C Smith wrote:



On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez 
> wrote:


Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a
good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors
vs. Linux security,


I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop 
perpetuating this myth of the equivalence of capitalism and 
closed-source software.  I mean, Linux is mostly developed by 
corporations, including Microsoft, right?!




Yes, that was what my quotation marks were trying to express, but you 
put it much more clearly and directly in this and a previous post. And 
just to be clear myself, I mean this as a compliment and with absolutely 
zero sarcasm intended.


Joe1962

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Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

[cowwoc]

PSA: Please move discussion over to 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :)


Thank you,
Gili

On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies wrote:

I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always
inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no
option for inserting fully qualified names in regular Java code
either. IMHO the javadoc code completion should just work the same way
as the code completion in regular Java code.

A related issue is that javadoc code completion currently doesn't
support camel case initials-based code completion, e.g., typing "BAOS"
to complete to "ByteArrayOutputStream" doesn't work in javadoc
context, unlike in regular Java code.

Niklas


On Wed 2018-03-07 at 09:51h, Thomas Kellerer wrote on users:

I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion"
section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs.

Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if
that class is already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs
share the same "visibility" rules as regular classes.

Thomas

Paul Szudzik schrieb am 06.03.2018 um 18:34:

Hopefully this would be an option flag.. Otherwise I wouldn't know
if I was overriding something by accident via a library load.. so,
I would vote for option check, where if it was CHECKED, would drop
the fully qualified class names for base and non-overridden
functions..  If I do override a function, then the fully qualified
path should show..

Just concerned about this request


-Original Message- From: Thomas Kellerer
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:42 PM
To: NetBeans Users
Subject: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

When using code-completion in JavaDocs (e.g. for a @see
attribute), NetBeans always inserts fully qualifed class names for
parameters, e.g.

    @see #someMethod(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)

Is it possible (in 8.2 or 9.0) to disable this, so that the above is written as:

    @see #someMethod(String, String)

This is not so much a problem with JDK classes, but with our own classes which 
tend to have longer package names.

Thomas



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Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

[cowwoc]

Please add your comments to 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447


Thank you,
Gili

On 2018-03-07 3:51 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:

I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or maybe the 
"Formatter" section for JavaDocs.

Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if that class is already 
imported. The class names in the JavaDocs share the same "visibility" rules as 
regular classes.

Thomas

Paul Szudzik schrieb am 06.03.2018 um 18:34:

Hopefully this would be an option flag.. Otherwise I wouldn't know if I was 
overriding something by accident via a library load.. so, I would vote for 
option check, where if it was CHECKED, would drop the fully qualified class 
names for base and non-overridden functions..  If I do override a function, 
then the fully qualified path should show..

Just concerned about this request


-Original Message- From: Thomas Kellerer
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:42 PM
To: NetBeans Users
Subject: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

When using code-completion in JavaDocs (e.g. for a @see attribute), NetBeans 
always inserts fully qualifed class names for parameters, e.g.

    @see #someMethod(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)

Is it possible (in 8.2 or 9.0) to disable this, so that the above is written as:

    @see #someMethod(String, String)

This is not so much a problem with JDK classes, but with our own classes which 
tend to have longer package names.

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Ashton,

Please tone down the aggression a little bit. No one is saying that freedom
of speech is not allowed here.

Yes, with Apache NetBeans, like any other Apache project, you're allowed to
do whatever the Apache license allows you to do.

Can we all get along? :-)

Now, let's focus on getting Apache NetBeans (incubating) released!

Thanks,

Geertjan


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Ashton Hogan 
wrote:

> Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of
> speech is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same
> paragraph. No one's interested in staying within your little box and
> waiting for you to give them a permission slip to have an idea.
>
> Non-commercial doesn't have more working options than commercial, this is
> simply false. Go browse around on github right now, see for yourself how
> great the percentage of projects there are just dead and dormant. With
> commercial software, it tends to live while it's profitable and when it's a
> bad idea or poorly run, it disappears. Survival of the fittest in action.
>
> You say that these ideas are "impossible" and that it's "trolling" - is it
> really? As far as I can tell, if Apache was truly open about things (which
> I know they aren't), nothing stops me from taking the netbeans source code,
> applying a commercial license and keeping all the profit for myself.
> Obviously that helps no one but it certainly proves that it's not
> impossible.
>
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 15:36:58 GMT, Neil C Smith <
> neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez 
> wrote:
>
> Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a
> good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors
> vs. Linux security,
>
>
> I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop
> perpetuating this myth of the equivalence of capitalism and closed-source
> software.  I mean, Linux is mostly developed by corporations, including
> Microsoft, right?!
>
> NetBeans is an ASF project, it has to play by the rules here, and at the
> same time we need to make sure it thrives here.  But the only measures of
> that success are what we decide them to be.  So, constructive input to that
> seems welcome, impossible suggestions or criticism bordering on trolling,
> less so!
>
> Aside - whenever anyone asks why I use open-source / Linux over Windows,
> my stock response is always that I got fed up of paying for stuff that
> doesn't work properly.  Now I've got loads of other stuff that doesn't work
> properly, but at least I don't feel ripped off for it! ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of speech 
is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same paragraph. No one's 
interested in staying within your little box and waiting for you to give them a 
permission slip to have an idea.
Non-commercial doesn't have more working options than commercial, this is 
simply false. Go browse around on github right now, see for yourself how great 
the percentage of projects there are just dead and dormant. With commercial 
software, it tends to live while it's profitable and when it's a bad idea or 
poorly run, it disappears. Survival of the fittest in action.
You say that these ideas are "impossible" and that it's "trolling" - is it 
really? As far as I can tell, if Apache was truly open about things (which I 
know they aren't), nothing stops me from taking the netbeans source code, 
applying a commercial license and keeping all the profit for myself. Obviously 
that helps no one but it certainly proves that it's not impossible.
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 15:36:58 GMT, Neil C Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez  
wrote:

Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a
good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors
vs. Linux security,


I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop perpetuating 
this myth of the equivalence of capitalism and closed-source software.  I mean, 
Linux is mostly developed by corporations, including Microsoft, right?!

NetBeans is an ASF project, it has to play by the rules here, and at the same 
time we need to make sure it thrives here.  But the only measures of that 
success are what we decide them to be.  So, constructive input to that seems 
welcome, impossible suggestions or criticism bordering on trolling, less so!

Aside - whenever anyone asks why I use open-source / Linux over Windows, my 
stock response is always that I got fed up of paying for stuff that doesn't 
work properly.  Now I've got loads of other stuff that doesn't work properly, 
but at least I don't feel ripped off for it! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
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Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org  

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a
> good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors
> vs. Linux security,
>

I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop
perpetuating this myth of the equivalence of capitalism and closed-source
software.  I mean, Linux is mostly developed by corporations, including
Microsoft, right?!

NetBeans is an ASF project, it has to play by the rules here, and at the
same time we need to make sure it thrives here.  But the only measures of
that success are what we decide them to be.  So, constructive input to that
seems welcome, impossible suggestions or criticism bordering on trolling,
less so!

Aside - whenever anyone asks why I use open-source / Linux over Windows, my
stock response is always that I got fed up of paying for stuff that doesn't
work properly.  Now I've got loads of other stuff that doesn't work
properly, but at least I don't feel ripped off for it! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[José J . Rodriguez]

Ashton Hogan wrote:

PS: I'm aware that I'm probably on the 
wrong mailing list right now


I don't think so, specially since you started off with this:

> I want NetBeans to stick around...

Joe1962

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Hi Eirik

As mentioned earlier, I wouldn't do this because it's a form of donation and 
donations don't scale because unlike a license, no one is forced to pay up. 
Meaning that my contribution will feel like it has no impact and ultimately a 
waste of money. A license is a collective agreement amongst all users in the 
community saying "we will all help grow this product". This gives users much 
more peace of mind, knowing their contributions are going towards a growing 
product, not just beer money for friday.
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 15:17:05 GMT, Eirik Bakke  
wrote:  
 
 Hi, Ashton.
If you'd like to contribute money to support NetBeans development, one way 
might be to purchase the time of an individual NetBeans developer or 
contracting firm. Maybe send an email on the d...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
mailing list saying "I am willing to pay $X to have issue number Y fixed". Or 
maybe something less specific, like "I am willing to pay $X to support 
improvements in an area of the developer's choice".
Keep in mind that the fully loaded cost of a software engineer with enough 
domain-specific skills to work on the NetBeans codebase is somewhere between 
$100-$300/hour, depending on the developer's location.
-- Eirik
From: Ashton Hogan 
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:04 AM
To: "us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org" 
, Bertrand Delacretaz 

Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!

In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a 
license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying 
dependencies? Answer: NO ONE
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 wrote:

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
> ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about,
> providing software development features to serve those who want to make use
> of them...

And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting,
training, selling specific plugins, that's all fine with the Apache
License.

A few years ago, someone sold the source code of httpd as a printed
book, tagged as "the ultimate reference to httpd".

Not very useful IMO but ok w.r.t the Apache project, provided
trademarks are respected, the provenance of the works is clear and
appropriate credit is given. That's an extreme case of "embracing
capitalism" I guess, I hope people find better ways to make money from
our projects, but the ASF is basically friendly to business as long as
it happens elsewhere - so that we can stay (fiercely) independent.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Eirik Bakke]

Hi, Ashton.

If you'd like to contribute money to support NetBeans development, one way 
might be to purchase the time of an individual NetBeans developer or 
contracting firm. Maybe send an email on the d...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
mailing list saying "I am willing to pay $X to have issue number Y fixed". Or 
maybe something less specific, like "I am willing to pay $X to support 
improvements in an area of the developer's choice".

Keep in mind that the fully loaded cost of a software engineer with enough 
domain-specific skills to work on the NetBeans codebase is somewhere between 
$100-$300/hour, depending on the developer's location.

-- Eirik

From: Ashton Hogan 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:04 AM
To: 
"us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org"
 
>,
 Bertrand Delacretaz >
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!

In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a 
license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying 
dependencies? Answer: NO ONE

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
> wrote:


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga

> 
wrote:
> ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about,
> providing software development features to serve those who want to make use
> of them...


And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting,
training, selling specific plugins, that's all fine with the Apache
License.

A few years ago, someone sold the source code of httpd as a printed
book, tagged as "the ultimate reference to httpd".

Not very useful IMO but ok w.r.t the Apache project, provided
trademarks are respected, the provenance of the works is clear and
appropriate credit is given. That's an extreme case of "embracing
capitalism" I guess, I hope people find better ways to make money from
our projects, but the ASF is basically friendly to business as long as
it happens elsewhere - so that we can stay (fiercely) independent.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Many good points Joe. I want NetBeans to stick around, it's better for 
everyone if there are more options otherwise we're all forced to use "the 
monopoly" in the market. I think capitalism has worked great for Windows, look 
how many more software options you have compared to on Linux. Sure, they're 
mostly not open source and you have to pay for them but that's the price of 
having options and I think it's worth it because it keeps software competitive. 
PS: I'm aware that I'm probably on the wrong mailing list right now
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 15:08:37 GMT, José J. Rodriguez 
 wrote:  
 
 Ashton Hogan wrote:
> 
>  ... look at your 
> competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing 
> capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! 
> Simple as that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and 
> stick around. Truth hurts.
> 

I think it's best if we all agree to disagree, and leave it at that...

I started off in java programming with Eclipse, but didn't quite grasp 
it's working philosophy. Found Netbeans after that and jumped ship, it 
was way more intuitive for me and somehow easier to work with. A new 
member of my programming team was using Idea and slowly, others let 
themselves be persuaded to the "benefits"of this IDE. They made me try 
it out (since they had switched 2 of our projects to it), and I really 
did try to like it, giving it my undivided attention for about a month. 
However, I also never got it's working philosophy and things that were 
natural to me in Netbeans, weren't so much in Idea.

My point, after a somewhat convoluted historical explanation, is that 
IMHO, Idea has the prettier eye candy which lures away the kind of 
people that tend to jump to Windows 10 and say they like the interface. 
Also, I guess Google's decision to switch the Android development setup 
from Eclipse to Idea probably had the biggest impact on it's current 
popularity. Eclipse, on the other hand, has a huge ecosystem that seems 
to cater more to the hard-core programmers, so I see it as a more direct 
"competitor" to our Netbeans.

And talking about enterprise use of a certain software, what that really 
requires is mostly a good payed support system, not really a software 
sales system.

Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a 
good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors 
vs. Linux security, see Apache httpd, mysql (before and after 
acquisition by Oracle), postgreSQL and lots more examples...

Just my 2 cents on the thread...

Joe1962

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[José J . Rodriguez]

Ashton Hogan wrote:


 ... look at your 
competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing 
capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! 
Simple as that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and 
stick around. Truth hurts.




I think it's best if we all agree to disagree, and leave it at that...

I started off in java programming with Eclipse, but didn't quite grasp 
it's working philosophy. Found Netbeans after that and jumped ship, it 
was way more intuitive for me and somehow easier to work with. A new 
member of my programming team was using Idea and slowly, others let 
themselves be persuaded to the "benefits"of this IDE. They made me try 
it out (since they had switched 2 of our projects to it), and I really 
did try to like it, giving it my undivided attention for about a month. 
However, I also never got it's working philosophy and things that were 
natural to me in Netbeans, weren't so much in Idea.


My point, after a somewhat convoluted historical explanation, is that 
IMHO, Idea has the prettier eye candy which lures away the kind of 
people that tend to jump to Windows 10 and say they like the interface. 
Also, I guess Google's decision to switch the Android development setup 
from Eclipse to Idea probably had the biggest impact on it's current 
popularity. Eclipse, on the other hand, has a huge ecosystem that seems 
to cater more to the hard-core programmers, so I see it as a more direct 
"competitor" to our Netbeans.


And talking about enterprise use of a certain software, what that really 
requires is mostly a good payed support system, not really a software 
sales system.


Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a 
good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors 
vs. Linux security, see Apache httpd, mysql (before and after 
acquisition by Oracle), postgreSQL and lots more examples...


Just my 2 cents on the thread...

Joe1962

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Re: How do you prioritize tasks

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:38 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in
> this together and decide together what the priorities are.
>

We do IMO currently have an issue in lacking a canonical (main) place where
such decisions happen though.  At the moment it's hard to get an overall
picture.  While I agree with you about no main architects, I also think Bo
brings up an important question.  I made a somewhat tongue-in-cheek dig at
Emi the other week about PR's not going through JIRA, but surely having no
main architects also has to mean everyone knowing and following the same
procedures?

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

[Niklas Matthies]

I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always
inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no
option for inserting fully qualified names in regular Java code
either. IMHO the javadoc code completion should just work the same way
as the code completion in regular Java code.

A related issue is that javadoc code completion currently doesn't
support camel case initials-based code completion, e.g., typing "BAOS"
to complete to "ByteArrayOutputStream" doesn't work in javadoc
context, unlike in regular Java code.

Niklas


On Wed 2018-03-07 at 09:51h, Thomas Kellerer wrote on users:
> I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion"
> section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. 
> 
> Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if
> that class is already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs
> share the same "visibility" rules as regular classes.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> Paul Szudzik schrieb am 06.03.2018 um 18:34:
> > Hopefully this would be an option flag.. Otherwise I wouldn't know
> > if I was overriding something by accident via a library load.. so,
> > I would vote for option check, where if it was CHECKED, would drop
> > the fully qualified class names for base and non-overridden
> > functions..  If I do override a function, then the fully qualified
> > path should show..
> > 
> > Just concerned about this request
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Thomas Kellerer
> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:42 PM
> > To: NetBeans Users
> > Subject: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion
> > 
> > When using code-completion in JavaDocs (e.g. for a @see
> > attribute), NetBeans always inserts fully qualifed class names for
> > parameters, e.g.
> > 
> >    @see #someMethod(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)
> > 
> > Is it possible (in 8.2 or 9.0) to disable this, so that the above is 
> > written as:
> > 
> >    @see #someMethod(String, String)
> > 
> > This is not so much a problem with JDK classes, but with our own classes 
> > which tend to have longer package names.
> > 
> > Thomas
> > 
> > 
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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a 
license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying 
dependencies? Answer: NO ONE
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 wrote:  
 
 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
> ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about,
> providing software development features to serve those who want to make use
> of them...

And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting,
training, selling specific plugins, that's all fine with the Apache
License.

A few years ago, someone sold the source code of httpd as a printed
book, tagged as "the ultimate reference to httpd".

Not very useful IMO but ok w.r.t the Apache project, provided
trademarks are respected, the provenance of the works is clear and
appropriate credit is given. That's an extreme case of "embracing
capitalism" I guess, I hope people find better ways to make money from
our projects, but the ASF is basically friendly to business as long as
it happens elsewhere - so that we can stay (fiercely) independent.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
> ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about,
> providing software development features to serve those who want to make use
> of them...

And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting,
training, selling specific plugins, that's all fine with the Apache
License.

A few years ago, someone sold the source code of httpd as a printed
book, tagged as "the ultimate reference to httpd".

Not very useful IMO but ok w.r.t the Apache project, provided
trademarks are respected, the provenance of the works is clear and
appropriate credit is given. That's an extreme case of "embracing
capitalism" I guess, I hope people find better ways to make money from
our projects, but the ASF is basically friendly to business as long as
it happens elsewhere - so that we can stay (fiercely) independent.

-Bertrand

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Re: Java EE version support

[James Finnall]

My Tomcat server is 8.5.23

On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:03 +, Peter Steele wrote:
> You need tomcat 8/9 for servlet 3.1 support which is what j2ee 7
> provides
> 
> On 6 Mar 2018 15:58, "Geertjan Wielenga"  l.com> wrote:
> > There's a pretty big difference between Java 8 and Java EE 8...
> > 
> > Gj
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:55 PM, James Finnall 
> > wrote:
> > > My server states it is using JVM 1.8.0_151-8u151-b12-
> > > 0ubuntu0.16.04.2-
> > > b12
> > > 
> > > I am told that indicates Java 8.  
> > > 
> > > James
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:47 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > > > Does Tomcat support Java EE 7?
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:46 PM, James Finnall  > > t>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > The tutorial provided a reference to using GlassFish server. 
> > > I do
> > > > > have
> > > > > the option for EE 7 on GlassFish.  It did not mention Tomcat.
> > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > When I choose Tomcat on a new project it only provides
> > > options for
> > > > > version 6 and 5.  It does not list version 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:32 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > > > > > https://netbeans.org/kb/docs/javaee/javaee-gettingstarted.h
> > > tml
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:30 PM, James Finnall  > > l.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > What about Java EE 7 then?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:16 +0100, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Java EE 8 is not supported at this stage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:15 PM, James Finnall  > > finnal
> > > > > l.ne
> > > > > > > t>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just upgraded to Netbeans 8.2 and Java EE Base
> > > plug-in is
> > > > > > > 1.31.1
> > > > > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > > > > recall.  Attempting to get support for Java EE 7 or
> > > 8. 
> > > > > > > Netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > stated
> > > > > > > > > > I needed to upgrade to support string comparisons
> > > in a
> > > > > switch
> > > > > > > > > > statement.  
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > After the upgrades I am still limited to Java EE
> > > 6.  It
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > > > EE 7 for a GlassFish server, but not EE 8.  When I
> > > select
> > > > > > > Tomcat
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > drops back to 6 and 5 again.  Tomcat is what I need
> > > to
> > > > > > > support. 
> > > > > > > > > > Our
> > > > > > > > > > Tomcat server is running 8.5.23 and JVM version
> > > 1.8.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So how I am suppose to upgrade to 7 or 8?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I suspect there are others that have done this
> > > before. 
> > > > > As
> > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > just starting in the Java world.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > > >
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Re: How do you prioritize tasks

[Geertjan Wielenga]

There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in
this together and decide together what the priorities are. Those working on
NetCAT (netbeans.apache.org/participate/netcat.html) will come with a
proposal on which issues to be fixed for a specific release and through
discussion together -- and, if needed, a vote process -- we come to
agreements.

There is nothing special in this at all -- that's how Apache projects work.

For example, see this, though there are probably many similar references:
https://blogs.apache.org/comdev/entry/how_apache_projects_use_consensus

Gj


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Bo Andersen  wrote:

> I am just curious, how do you prioritize stories in JIRA? Lot of people
> may create bugs, features requests and set it has high priority to
> get there specific case/request solved.
>
> What if some one  has a feature request, which not benefit the majority of
> users, but only make the ide more complex to use and maintain. Are there
> some main architects who decides which features needs to be implemented, or
> are there some voting about the priority and/or if it's relevant?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards Bo
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Just note that Apache projects do not compete with anyone or anything. They
exist to serve a community. That's what Apache NetBeans is all about,
providing software development features to serve those who want to make use
of them. As an Apache project we are explicitly not in competition with
anything out there.

Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Ashton Hogan 
wrote:

>
> BountySource failed for a reason, if I told you the reason, you'd just
> argue with me...
>
> I think you might be over-complicating things a bit, look at your
> competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing capitalism
> and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! Simple as
> that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and stick around.
> Truth hurts.
>
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:21:58 GMT, Neil C Smith <
> neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:05 Ashton Hogan 
> wrote:
>
> Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been
> bought out by CanYa
>
>
> My reading of that is that it *was* closing down as a (semi) failed
> business, but that CanYa are now investing in it.  I was slightly surprised
> seeing the state of their website before posting, having looked a few
> months ago.
>
> Anyway, the question was more about that kind of developer funding -
> people posting bounties against specific bugs / feature requests.  I'm just
> wondering how much integration - pointing people at a global list, direct
> links in issue queues, etc. can be done without falling foul of ASF
> policies.  Not that it's a model we'd necessarily want to encourage anyway.
>
> Doesn't look like Bountysource has been used much by Apache projects,
> although a few linked to Cassandra by the look of it.
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>

How do you prioritize tasks

[Bo Andersen]

I am just curious, how do you prioritize stories in JIRA? Lot of people may 
create bugs, features requests and set it has high priority to get there 
specific case/request solved.

What if some one  has a feature request, which not benefit the majority of 
users, but only make the ide more complex to use and maintain. Are there some 
main architects who decides which features needs to be implemented, or are 
there some voting about the priority and/or if it's relevant?

Thanks

Regards Bo

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:05 Ashton Hogan 
wrote:

> Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been
> bought out by CanYa
>

My reading of that is that it *was* closing down as a (semi) failed
business, but that CanYa are now investing in it.  I was slightly surprised
seeing the state of their website before posting, having looked a few
months ago.

Anyway, the question was more about that kind of developer funding - people
posting bounties against specific bugs / feature requests.  I'm just
wondering how much integration - pointing people at a global list, direct
links in issue queues, etc. can be done without falling foul of ASF
policies.  Not that it's a model we'd necessarily want to encourage anyway.

Doesn't look like Bountysource has been used much by Apache projects,
although a few linked to Cassandra by the look of it.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been 
bought out by CanYa
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:01:20 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 wrote:  
 
 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like
> Bountysource?...

I don't know much about Bountysource but from the ASF's side, as long
as the ASF has nothing to do with the money, contributions go through
the usual PMC vetting, things happen on your dev list and disclaimers
similar to the one I linked to in this thread are in place that can
work.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like
> Bountysource?...

I don't know much about Bountysource but from the ASF's side, as long
as the ASF has nothing to do with the money, contributions go through
the usual PMC vetting, things happen on your dev list and disclaimers
similar to the one I linked to in this thread are in place that can
work.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 10:48 Ashton Hogan 
wrote:

> I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to
> be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism
> in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans?
>

Nothing much to add to what others have said except please can we not stoop
to this FLOSS == socialism rubbish.  It shows a fundamental, and ultimately
damaging, misunderstanding of FLOSS, socialism and capitalism.

Other than that, time is money as they say - thanks Bertrand for the info
on funding developer time - was going to ask for just that from an Apache
perspective.  Are there any thoughts / info about using something like
Bountysource?

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

So, pitch in and get involved and NetBeans won't become dormant.

This is the end of this thread for me. :-)

Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Ashton Hogan 
wrote:

> Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache
> dependencies. What I mean is that many of these GOOD projects die out not
> because they're useless but because they become dormant
>
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 12:07:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan
>  wrote:
> > ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate.
> I've
> > seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this
> > policy...
>
> The Apache model is not for all projects but you might have missed *a
> few* Apache projects which have been successful for years and support
> multi-million dollar industries ;-)
>
> BTW https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-
> software-foundation-2018
> has more information on these things.
>
>
> -Bertrand
>
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>
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache 
dependencies. What I mean is that many of these GOOD projects die out not 
because they're useless but because they become dormant

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 12:07:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi,

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan
 wrote:
> ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've
> seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this
> policy...

The Apache model is not for all projects but you might have missed *a
few* Apache projects which have been successful for years and support
multi-million dollar industries ;-)

BTW 
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-software-foundation-2018
has more information on these things.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan
 wrote:
> ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've
> seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this
> policy...

The Apache model is not for all projects but you might have missed *a
few* Apache projects which have been successful for years and support
multi-million dollar industries ;-)

BTW 
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-software-foundation-2018
has more information on these things.

-Bertrand

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 Thanks Bertrand. I don't really participate in too many mailing lists to be 
honest. Every time I do, it seems to end with me being too lazy to understand 
other peoples ideas so I just tend to turn them down...
I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've seen 
so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this policy (I 
hope I didn't just kill any sacred cows with this)

The problem I see with donations, in any form, is that people don't feel like 
their contribution will make a difference so they tend to not bother. Whereas 
with a license, for example, I know that EVERYONE is buying one so I feel like 
my money is going to a company that will grow and not just die out tomorrow
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 11:35:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi,

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ashton Hogan
 wrote:
> ...I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually 
> just settled
>for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just 
>my
> personal experience...

Paying people to contribute to Apache projects is a fantastic
contribution, but that cannot go through the Apache Software
Foundation as it's a basic principle that the Foundation *never* pays
for writing software for our projects.

What you can do is contract people to work on things that you find
useful, keeping in mind that merging these contributions into Apache
NetBeans is subject to approval of the NetBeans PPMC, like any other
contribution.

People have been running crowdfunding campaigns for their work on
Apache projects, for example, and that's great as long as the ASF can
stay totally out of it and see the results just as another
contribution.

The example disclaimer at
https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html should
help explain that better.

-Bertrand (incubation mentor for NetBeans)

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Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually 
just settled for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... 
this is just my personal experience, I can't speak for everyone and I'm humbled 
by the development of the IDE that is NetBeans.
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:57:31 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:  
 
 
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele  wrote:



Keep up your enthusiasm  If you have time, contribute, if not then you will 
need to wait patiently for the first version. 


I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans is 
released, and you find all kinds of issues, and you have been aware that you 
could have participated in NetCAT (really, not more than one or two hours a 
week is all the time needed to be spent) -- then you're likely to be told [ at 
least by me! :-) ] that the issues that you find will not receive a very high 
priority.
Gj


 

On 7 Mar 2018 10:48, "Ashton Hogan"  wrote:

 Maybe you're right.
I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to be 
the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism in 
prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans?

Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:44:09 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:  
 
 All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not going 
to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could have spent 
on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by step 
instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help prepare 
Apache NetBeans for its first official release.
Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan  
wrote:

 True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to 
competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's impossible?
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT,  wrote:  
 
 Hi,

Sometimes a project need time more than money.
And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal 
around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)

Jean-Michel
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:


What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of 
assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at 
the moment, that's all I can offer.

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:


Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you get 
step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.

We don’t want your money, we want your time.

Gj

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do 
a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for 
skills when contributors are running low though, surely? 


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: Geertjan Wielenga 
To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
CC: 



Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache NetBeans 
is to be involved here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT

In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)

Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: John Muczynski 
To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com



Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.


--
Johnny Muczynski
734-262-2045


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan  
wrote:


I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!

On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:


Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be able 
to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the foundation 
as a whole:

http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html

However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up together 
comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (tomee.apache.org) 
has an external organization that provides support and so on -- and also 
receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, 
which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something 
like that, in exchange for money.

Just 

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele  wrote:

>
>
> Keep up your enthusiasm  If you have time, contribute, if not then you
> will need to wait patiently for the first version.
>


I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans
is released, and you find all kinds of issues, and you have been aware that
you could have participated in NetCAT (really, not more than one or two
hours a week is all the time needed to be spent) -- then you're likely to
be told [ at least by me! :-) ] that the issues that you find will not
receive a very high priority.

Gj





>
> On 7 Mar 2018 10:48, "Ashton Hogan"  wrote:
>
>> Maybe you're right.
>>
>> I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity
>> to be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms
>> socialism in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans?
>>
>> Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:44:09 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not
>> going to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could
>> have spent on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by
>> step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help
>> prepare Apache NetBeans for its first official release.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan <
>> ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business
>> structure to competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think
>> it's impossible?
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sometimes a project need time more than money.
>> And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any
>> legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)
>>
>> Jean-Michel
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:
>>
>>
>> What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element
>> of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than
>> time at the moment, that's all I can offer.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>> > com > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT,
>> you get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.
>>
>> We don’t want your money, we want your time.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills
>> to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to
>> pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely?
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>> To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
>> 
>> CC:
>>
>>
>> Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache
>> NetBeans is to be involved here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT
>> 
>>
>> In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com <
>> ashtonho...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: John Muczynski
>> To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
>> CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org
>> ,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are
>> grown.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Muczynski
>> 734-262-2045
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
>>
>> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>> > com > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be
>> able to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the
>> foundation as a whole:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html
>> 
>>
>> However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up
>> together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (
>> tomee.apache.org) 

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not
going to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could
have spent on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by
step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help
prepare Apache NetBeans for its first official release.

Gj


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan  wrote:

> True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure
> to competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's
> impossible?
>
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT,  wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Sometimes a project need time more than money.
> And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any
> legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)
>
> Jean-Michel
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:
>
>
> What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element
> of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than
> time at the moment, that's all I can offer.
>
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT,
> you get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.
>
> We don’t want your money, we want your time.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills
> to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to
> pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely?
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
> From: Geertjan Wielenga
> To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
> 
> CC:
>
>
> Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache
> NetBeans is to be involved here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT
> 
>
> In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com <
> ashtonho...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com
> 
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
> From: John Muczynski
> To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
> CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org
> ,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com
> 
>
>
> Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.
>
>
> --
> Johnny Muczynski
> 734-262-2045
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan  > wrote:
>
>
> I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
>
> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  com > wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be
> able to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the
> foundation as a whole:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html
> 
>
> However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up
> together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (
> tomee.apache.org) has an external organization that provides support and
> so on -- and also receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or
> something like that, which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs
> on demand or something like that, in exchange for money.
>
> Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan <
> ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > wrote:
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've
> noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and
> wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell
> licenses as well as offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel
> guilty benefitting as much as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a
> dime for it, even though I would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the
> opportunity. Is there any way that NetBeans can make some income to support
> its longevity?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ashton
>
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to 
competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's impossible?
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT,  wrote:  
 
 Hi,

Sometimes a project need time more than money.
And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal 
around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)

Jean-Michel
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:


What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of 
assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at 
the moment, that's all I can offer.

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:


Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you get 
step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.

We don’t want your money, we want your time.

Gj

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do 
a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for 
skills when contributors are running low though, surely? 


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: Geertjan Wielenga 
To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
CC: 



Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache NetBeans 
is to be involved here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT

In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)

Gj

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: John Muczynski 
To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com



Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.


--
Johnny Muczynski
734-262-2045


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan  
wrote:


I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!

On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:


Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be able 
to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the foundation 
as a whole:

http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html

However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up together 
comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (tomee.apache.org) 
has an external organization that provides support and so on -- and also 
receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, 
which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something 
like that, in exchange for money.

Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.

Gj

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan  
wrote:


Hi all

Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've noticed a 
particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and wondered how 
they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell licenses as well as 
offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel guilty benefitting as much 
as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a dime for it, even though I 
would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the opportunity. Is there any way 
that NetBeans can make some income to support its longevity? 

Thanks

Ashton 







  

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[code]

Hi,

Sometimes a project need time more than money.
And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money +
any legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed
them, etc...)
Jean-Michel

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:
> 
> What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an
> element of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more
> money than time at the moment, that's all I can offer.> 
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:> 
> 
> Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in
> NetCAT, you get step by step instructions for what to test, how,
> and where.> 
> We don’t want your money, we want your time.
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com
>  wrote:>> I would love to but I just don't have the 
> necessary knowledge and
>> skills to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come
>> in handy to pay for skills when contributors are running low though,
>> surely?>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: Geertjan Wielenga __
>> To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org[1]
>> CC: 
>> 
>> 
>>> Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache
>>> NetBeans is to be involved here:>>> 
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT[2]
>>> 
>>> In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
>>> 
>>> Gj
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com
>>>  wrote: It's available 
>>> https://www.name.com/domain/se
 arch/netbeansfield.com[3] 
 Sent from my Huawei Mobile
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
 From: John Muczynski __
 To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
 CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach
 e.org[4],geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com[5] 
 
> Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans
> are grown.> 
> 
> --
> Johnny Muczynski
> 734-262-2045
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan
>  wrote:>> 
>> I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga
>>  wrote:>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans
>> will not be able to earn money directly -- all money coming into
>> Apache goes to the foundation as a whole:>> 
>> http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html[7]
>> 
>> However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set
>> up together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache
>> TomEE (tomee.apache.org) has an external organization that
>> provides support and so on -- and also receives money. I.e., we
>> could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, which could
>> offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something
>> like that, in exchange for money.>> 
>> Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan
>>  wrote:>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately
>>> I've noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on
>>> job specs and wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick.
>>> Turns out they sell licenses as well as offering a free version.
>>> I, myself, as a user feel guilty benefitting as much as I do
>>> from NetBeans and never having to pay a dime for it, even though
>>> I would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the opportunity.
>>> Is there any way that NetBeans can make some income to support
>>> its longevity?>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Ashton 

Links:

  1. mailto:us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
  2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
  3. https://www.name.com/domain/search/netbeansfield.com
  4. mailto:us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
  5. mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com
  6. mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com
  7. http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Ashton Hogan]

 What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of 
assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at 
the moment, that's all I can offer.
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:  
 
 Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you 
get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.
We don’t want your money, we want your time.
Gj

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do 
a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for 
skills when contributors are running low though, surely? 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: Geertjan Wielenga 
To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
CC: 



Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache NetBeans 
is to be involved here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT

In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
Gj
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com  
wrote:

It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: John Muczynski 
To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com



Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.

--Johnny Muczynski
734-262-2045


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan  
wrote:

 I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be able 
to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the foundation 
as a whole:
http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html

However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up together 
comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (tomee.apache.org) 
has an external organization that provides support and so on -- and also 
receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, 
which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something 
like that, in exchange for money.
Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.
Gj
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan  
wrote:

 Hi all

Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've noticed a 
particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and wondered how 
they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell licenses as well as 
offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel guilty benefitting as much 
as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a dime for it, even though I 
would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the opportunity. Is there any way 
that NetBeans can make some income to support its longevity? 

Thanks
Ashton 
  

  





  

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you
get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.

We don’t want your money, we want your time.

Gj

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com 
wrote:

> I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills
> to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to
> pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely?
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
> From: Geertjan Wielenga
> To: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> CC:
>
>
> Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache
> NetBeans is to be involved here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
>
> In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com <
> ashtonho...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's available https://www.name.com/domain/search/netbeansfield.com
>>
>> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: John Muczynski
>> To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
>> CC: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org,geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com
>>
>>
>> Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are
>> grown.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Muczynski
>> 734-262-2045 <(734)%20262-2045>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not
>>> be able to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the
>>> foundation as a whole:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html
>>>
>>> However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up
>>> together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (
>>> tomee.apache.org) has an external organization that provides support
>>> and so on -- and also receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe
>>> or something like that, which could offer advanced features or maybe fix
>>> bugs on demand or something like that, in exchange for money.
>>>
>>> Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan <
>>> ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've
>>> noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and
>>> wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell
>>> licenses as well as offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel
>>> guilty benefitting as much as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a
>>> dime for it, even though I would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the
>>> opportunity. Is there any way that NetBeans can make some income to support
>>> its longevity?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Ashton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

[ashtonho...@ymail.com.INVALID]

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely?  Original Message Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!From: Geertjan Wielenga To: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.orgCC: Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache NetBeans is to be involved here:https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCATIn fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)GjOn Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com  wrote:It's available https://www.name.com/domain/search/netbeansfield.comSent from my Huawei Mobile Original Message Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!From: John Muczynski To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalidCC: users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org,geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.comMaybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.--Johnny Muczynski734-262-2045On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan  wrote:
I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!





On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:



Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be able to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the foundation as a whole:http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.htmlHowever, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (tomee.apache.org) has an external organization that provides support and so on -- and also receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something like that, in exchange for money.Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.GjOn Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan  wrote:
Hi allLike all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell licenses as well as offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel guilty benefitting as much as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a dime for it, even though I would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the opportunity. Is there any way that NetBeans can make some income to support its longevity? ThanksAshton 






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Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

[Thomas Kellerer]

I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or 
maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. 

Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if that class is 
already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs share the same "visibility" 
rules as regular classes.

Thomas

Paul Szudzik schrieb am 06.03.2018 um 18:34:
> Hopefully this would be an option flag.. Otherwise I wouldn't know if I was 
> overriding something by accident via a library load.. so, I would vote for 
> option check, where if it was CHECKED, would drop the fully qualified class 
> names for base and non-overridden functions..  If I do override a function, 
> then the fully qualified path should show..
> 
> Just concerned about this request
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Thomas Kellerer
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:42 PM
> To: NetBeans Users
> Subject: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion
> 
> When using code-completion in JavaDocs (e.g. for a @see attribute), NetBeans 
> always inserts fully qualifed class names for parameters, e.g.
> 
>    @see #someMethod(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)
> 
> Is it possible (in 8.2 or 9.0) to disable this, so that the above is written 
> as:
> 
>    @see #someMethod(String, String)
> 
> This is not so much a problem with JDK classes, but with our own classes 
> which tend to have longer package names.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
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Apache NetBeans needs you...

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

We're starting the final stage before the official first release of Apache
NetBeans.

Now is the time to get involved. Now is the time to test features and raise
issues -- not afterwards, when it is too late, but now.

There are hundreds of people on this mailing list.

Could you spare at least an hour or two per week for the next few weeks to
try out the Beta release and provide feedback?

There's an official process -- and it is as light and simple as could be.
Read about it here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants

Thanks and let's make the first official Apache NetBeans release truly
great!

Gj