[users] OOo installation question.?

2008-12-22 Thread James Elliott - WA Rural Computers
When you download OOo and save it to a folder under Win XP, you end up with 
a file which, when executed, first extracts itself, usually to the desktop, 
and then automatically proceeds to install itself.


Afterwards, you are left with two installation folders, the one you 
downloaded, and the one on your desktop which contains the extracted files.


QUESTION

If you were burning a CD or putting the OOo installation files onto a USB 
thumb drive to give to a friend or colleague, would you:


1.  give him/her a copy of the file you downloaded and saved;

or

2.  give him/her a copy of the folder of extracted files from your desktop?

I have never known the answer to this question. I, personally, usually take 
the downloaded file with me as it is only one file to copy and paste onto my 
USB drive, but, then again, when I run it on my customer or friends computer 
it puts a new folder on his/her desktop containing the extracted files.  I 
usually delete this desktop folder after installation to avoid any confusion 
and to conserve space on their hard disk.  On the other hand, if I run the 
installation from the extracted files then I don't get this folder being 
created on the desktop.


So, which is the best approach?

Many thanks,

James. 



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[users] Re: Installin OO. 3 over OO 2.1

2008-12-22 Thread Jim Allan

Vincent A Juliano wrote:
I would like to update OO 2.1 to OO 3.  Will all my material get 
automatically incorporated into OO 3 or must it be transferred 
individually?




 Is the information available for this procedure.  I tried checking FAQ 
but I didn't find any information about this.


Go slow I am not computer literate.


When I have installed, under Windows XP and Windows Vista, the first 
time I try to run OpenOffice.org 3, it asks if I wish information from 
the earlier version of OpenOffice.org to be transferred over.


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[users] Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread JiHui Choi
Hi, all

I have three documents.

1. original.odg : the source file, http://www.box.net/shared/hmixhdhp9z
2. template.otg : the template file, http://www.box.net/shared/p06x372roz
3. output.odg : what I want to make, http://www.box.net/shared/juo4jpb0av

I can't select or edit some objects, after I copy some picture from
original.odg,
and paste them into template.otg or new document which be created by
template.otg.

However, if I copy any object from original.odg and paste it into
totally new document,
it works correctly. So I guess template.otg has some protection. But
I coutn't find.

Is there anyone who help me?

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Re: [users] OOo installation question.?

2008-12-22 Thread Web Kracked

James Elliott - WA Rural Computers wrote:
When you download OOo and save it to a folder under Win XP, you end up 
with a file which, when executed, first extracts itself, usually to 
the desktop, and then automatically proceeds to install itself.


Afterwards, you are left with two installation folders, the one you 
downloaded, and the one on your desktop which contains the extracted 
files.


QUESTION

If you were burning a CD or putting the OOo installation files onto a 
USB thumb drive to give to a friend or colleague, would you:


1.  give him/her a copy of the file you downloaded and saved;

or

2.  give him/her a copy of the folder of extracted files from your 
desktop?


I have never known the answer to this question. I, personally, usually 
take the downloaded file with me as it is only one file to copy and 
paste onto my USB drive, but, then again, when I run it on my customer 
or friends computer it puts a new folder on his/her desktop containing 
the extracted files.  I usually delete this desktop folder after 
installation to avoid any confusion and to conserve space on their 
hard disk.  On the other hand, if I run the installation from the 
extracted files then I don't get this folder being created on the 
desktop.


So, which is the best approach?

Many thanks,

James.


Here is my answer.
If I give them a CD, and I do not fill it too full with other stuff, I place
the extracted files/folder on the CD.  The extra step of extraction may
cause someone to try to use the folder/files that appear on the desktop.

If I have filled the CD, stuffed it full with other open source programs, I
may not have the room for this.

Both ways seems OK. 


ALSO, I tend to add to my CDs that has OpenOffice.org the documentation
files, popular extensions, dictionaries, and templates.  If I am giving 
them

OOo so they do not need to download it, why not give them the rest on
the CD so they do not need to download them as well?

That is just what I do.  Others may do it different.  Each to his/her own.

Tim L.
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Re: [users] OOo installation question.?

2008-12-22 Thread James Knott

James Elliott - WA Rural Computers wrote:
When you download OOo and save it to a folder under Win XP, you end up 
with a file which, when executed, first extracts itself, usually to the 
desktop, and then automatically proceeds to install itself.


Afterwards, you are left with two installation folders, the one you 
downloaded, and the one on your desktop which contains the extracted files.


QUESTION

If you were burning a CD or putting the OOo installation files onto a 
USB thumb drive to give to a friend or colleague, would you:


1.  give him/her a copy of the file you downloaded and saved;

or

2.  give him/her a copy of the folder of extracted files from your desktop?

I have never known the answer to this question. I, personally, usually 
take the downloaded file with me as it is only one file to copy and 
paste onto my USB drive, but, then again, when I run it on my customer 
or friends computer it puts a new folder on his/her desktop containing 
the extracted files.  I usually delete this desktop folder after 
installation to avoid any confusion and to conserve space on their hard 
disk.  On the other hand, if I run the installation from the extracted 
files then I don't get this folder being created on the desktop.


So, which is the best approach?


I'd say give them the downloaded file. If you give the unpacked files, 
you run the risk of missing or corrupt files.



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Re: [users] OOo installation question.?

2008-12-22 Thread Harold Fuchs
2008/12/22 James Elliott - WA Rural Computers james.elli...@wn.com.au

 When you download OOo and save it to a folder under Win XP, you end up with
 a file which, when executed, first extracts itself, usually to the desktop,
 and then automatically proceeds to install itself.

 Afterwards, you are left with two installation folders, the one you
 downloaded, and the one on your desktop which contains the extracted files.

 QUESTION

 If you were burning a CD or putting the OOo installation files onto a USB
 thumb drive to give to a friend or colleague, would you:

 1.  give him/her a copy of the file you downloaded and saved;

 or

 2.  give him/her a copy of the folder of extracted files from your desktop?

 I have never known the answer to this question. I, personally, usually take
 the downloaded file with me as it is only one file to copy and paste onto my
 USB drive, but, then again, when I run it on my customer or friends computer
 it puts a new folder on his/her desktop containing the extracted files.  I
 usually delete this desktop folder after installation to avoid any confusion
 and to conserve space on their hard disk.  On the other hand, if I run the
 installation from the extracted files then I don't get this folder being
 created on the desktop.

 So, which is the best approach?


I'd give them the original download simply because there are fewer moving
parts, but either will do. If you give them the unpacked files they have to
hunt through them for the one to execute (setup.exe, I seem to remember).
Also, the single file takes less space but more time to install.

You can also give them the portable version from www.portableapps.com which
doesn't touch their Windows Registry and which can be used directy from a CD
or USB key without affecting their system in any way.


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Re: [users] Re: Draw: perfectly straight line

2008-12-22 Thread Julio Sotolongo

Twayne,
   Good points, I'm reasonably certain my friend was using the same 
computer for both programs, but have not seen them on his computer. I 
did not get a good understanding, but said he was using something akin 
to Draw to add a line in an Excel program or possibly a table. I have 
read here that MSO does not have an equivalent to Draw. I am not sure 
just what he was using.
   I do not have MSO and only saw how OOo displayed on my relatively 
old monitor. It is a Compaq 7500. I got it used. I keep my drivers up to 
date. My video card is a nVidia GeForce 6100 GPU.
   I tried the suggestion of printing the line which on the monitor 
appeared to be short straight segments that were not connected. This 
same line printed nice and straight.
   Evidently he saw a difference how the two programs displayed. To use 
his words, it was driving him crazy. In some manner, he said he could 
'snap' the line on MSO and it would be straight.  By the time I came 
back with the information about displayed line on the monitor and 
printed line he had purchased a copy of MSO and uninstalled OOo.
   Anyway I have learned a few things and I mentioned that he could 
have both programs on his computer with no problem. Maybe he will give 
OOo another try.

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it, but still the result is
segments of straight lines, not continuously straight from end to end.
James Knott wrote:


Julio Sotolongo wrote:

  

 Is there a way to create a perfectly straight line in Draw. This is
for a friend that I am trying to interest in OOo.
I tried unsuccessfully to accomplish it and then searched the
documentation for help. Following the directions in the Draw Guide
for drawing a straight line yielded the same results I achieved on
my own. A line composed of segments of straight lines, but not
continuously straight from end to end.
According to my friend, this is possible MSO. It seems like it
should be simple to accomplish. Any help would be appreciated.




Have you tried the Lines and Arrows button?






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Julio,

Not to detract from anything James Knott said, here's a different take 
on it:


Is it possible this is a display issue?  When you say MSO does it fine 
and OOo doesn't, is that being done on the same exact physical machine, 
or on two machines?  If it's all on the same machine, then the rest of 
this is moot and you can quit readingg.


If it's on two different machines, and if the line isn't perfectly 
vertical or horizontal, then it may look jagged as you seem to describe. 
This can be attributed to differences in video card settings, program 
settings and probably other areas I'm not thinking of right now.  The 
higher the screen resolution, the smoother a line will look.  The 
lower the resolution, the more jagged it'll look.  Same thing at print 
time.  And especially true with jpeg files.


And if it's smooth but just not straight as in not vertical or not 
horizontal, it could even be the rotations settings on the video drivers 
or the monitor.


There are more too, but before I seem to appear to be talking down to 
you, I'll stop here and wait for confirmation or further clarifications.


HTH

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[users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread David Karr
I have a jpeg of a photo that is a little too large. I loaded it in Impress
and resized it smaller, keeping the ratio the same. I then saved the
resulting image to a new file. When I view the old and new images, they are
identical. The smaller image is not smaller. Am I missing something?


[users] Re: Draw: perfectly straight line

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 01:06 PM, Julio Sotolongo wrote:
 Twayne,
 Good points, I'm reasonably certain my friend was using the same 
 computer for both programs, but have not seen them on his computer. I 
 did not get a good understanding, but said he was using something akin 
 to Draw to add a line in an Excel program or possibly a table. I have 
 read here that MSO does not have an equivalent to Draw. I am not sure 
 just what he was using.
 I do not have MSO and only saw how OOo displayed on my relatively 
 old monitor. It is a Compaq 7500. I got it used. I keep my drivers up to 
 date. My video card is a nVidia GeForce 6100 GPU.
 I tried the suggestion of printing the line which on the monitor 
 appeared to be short straight segments that were not connected. This 
 same line printed nice and straight.
 Evidently he saw a difference how the two programs displayed. To use 
 his words, it was driving him crazy. In some manner, he said he could 
 'snap' the line on MSO and it would be straight.  By the time I came 
 back with the information about displayed line on the monitor and 
 printed line he had purchased a copy of MSO and uninstalled OOo.
 Anyway I have learned a few things and I mentioned that he could 
 have both programs on his computer with no problem. Maybe he will give 
 OOo another try.

I just tested with WinXP MSO 2002 and OOo 3.0 and I see what your friend
is talking about. On MSO, a diagonal line will appear jagged (stairstep
effect) in the draw box until the mouse is released. As soon as the
mouse is released the line appears perfectly smooth - even when viewed
at 500%. In OOo the line renders in stairstep (minor, but still
noticeable). That's on a .24pixel professional quality monitor and also
tested on a two other systems w/like monitors.





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Re: [users] Re: Draw: perfectly straight line

2008-12-22 Thread Julio Sotolongo

The only thing I can think of to say is cool.  8-)
Julio


NoOp wrote:
I just tested with WinXP MSO 2002 and OOo 3.0 and I see what your friend
is talking about. On MSO, a diagonal line will appear jagged (stairstep
effect) in the draw box until the mouse is released. As soon as the
mouse is released the line appears perfectly smooth - even when viewed
at 500%. In OOo the line renders in stairstep (minor, but still
noticeable). That's on a .24pixel professional quality monitor and also
tested on a two other systems w/like monitors.
  
  



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[users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Bates
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:17 -0800, David Karr wrote:

 I have a jpeg of a photo that is a little too large. I loaded it in Impress
 and resized it smaller, keeping the ratio the same. I then saved the
 resulting image to a new file. When I view the old and new images, they are
 identical. The smaller image is not smaller. Am I missing something?


Impress is not an image manipulation program. When you change the size
of the image in Impress you don't actually change the content of the
file asll you are doing is changing the way the image appears on the
page.

I just had a look at Draw and it doesn't seem to have any facility for
changing the size of image files either... but I don't use either
Impress or Draw that often so I could be wrong on both of these.

I don't know what OS you are using, but in more recent file managers
there is often a feature to rescale images. Use your file manager to
find the jpeg then right click on it and see if it has an option such as
Rescale image

Otherwise use photo software such as GIMP, Photo Shop or the software
that came with your camera.

Hope that helps.

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Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread Web Kracked

Keith Bates wrote:

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:17 -0800, David Karr wrote:

  

I have a jpeg of a photo that is a little too large. I loaded it in Impress
and resized it smaller, keeping the ratio the same. I then saved the
resulting image to a new file. When I view the old and new images, they are
identical. The smaller image is not smaller. Am I missing something?




Impress is not an image manipulation program. When you change the size
of the image in Impress you don't actually change the content of the
file asll you are doing is changing the way the image appears on the
page.

I just had a look at Draw and it doesn't seem to have any facility for
changing the size of image files either... but I don't use either
Impress or Draw that often so I could be wrong on both of these.

I don't know what OS you are using, but in more recent file managers
there is often a feature to rescale images. Use your file manager to
find the jpeg then right click on it and see if it has an option such as
Rescale image

Otherwise use photo software such as GIMP, Photo Shop or the software
that came with your camera.

Hope that helps


Yes you need to use the right software to do the job.  I would not tell 
a person
to use GIMP. GIMP has a learning Curve.  A guy took GIMP and made it 
easier to use.

He them called it GIMPshop.  It bascally GIMP but has a better GUI so it is
easier to use.  It used all of the GIMP filters and add-ons.

I have Photoshop, for some of my work, and I only use it when I have to.

I do not know about you, but many people seems to not install the
software that comes with their camera.  The just do not use the computer
to edit their photos.  They just take the photos and take the Memory Card
to the photo printing place.  I do not use the camera software, since it 
does

not work well at all.

Here are the links to some of the better free image editors.

GIMPshop
http://www.gimpshop.com/

Paint.NET
http://www.getpaint.net/

Photoscape
http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

Artweaver
http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version


Tim L.
Took over 4,700 digital photo since Sept 2005 and my camera
software does not work on XP at all, and on Vista very badly.
How many ( SD ) memory cards do you have for your camera(s)?



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Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread Bernard Head

Keith Bates wrote:

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:17 -0800, David Karr wrote:

  

I have a jpeg of a photo that is a little too large. I loaded it in Impress
and resized it smaller, keeping the ratio the same. I then saved the
resulting image to a new file. When I view the old and new images, they are
identical. The smaller image is not smaller. Am I missing something?




Impress is not an image manipulation program. When you change the size
of the image in Impress you don't actually change the content of the
file asll you are doing is changing the way the image appears on the
page.

I just had a look at Draw and it doesn't seem to have any facility for
changing the size of image files either... but I don't use either
Impress or Draw that often so I could be wrong on both of these.

I don't know what OS you are using, but in more recent file managers
there is often a feature to rescale images. Use your file manager to
find the jpeg then right click on it and see if it has an option such as
Rescale image

Otherwise use photo software such as GIMP, Photo Shop or the software
that came with your camera.

Hope that helps.

  
Try using Irfanview http://www.irfanview.net/  free program that covers 
most graphic manipulation tasks.


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Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Bates
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 18:41 -0500, Web Kracked wrote:

 Keith Bates wrote: 
 
  On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:17 -0800, David Karr wrote:
  

  
   I have a jpeg of a photo that is a little too large. I loaded it in 
   Impress
   and resized it smaller, keeping the ratio the same. I then saved the
   resulting image to a new file. When I view the old and new images, they 
   are
   identical. The smaller image is not smaller. Am I missing something?
   
  
  
  
  Impress is not an image manipulation program. When you change the size
  of the image in Impress you don't actually change the content of the
  file asll you are doing is changing the way the image appears on the
  page.
  
  I just had a look at Draw and it doesn't seem to have any facility for
  changing the size of image files either... but I don't use either
  Impress or Draw that often so I could be wrong on both of these.
  
  I don't know what OS you are using, but in more recent file managers
  there is often a feature to rescale images. Use your file manager to
  find the jpeg then right click on it and see if it has an option such as
  Rescale image
  
  Otherwise use photo software such as GIMP, Photo Shop or the software
  that came with your camera.
  
  Hope that helps
 
 
 Yes you need to use the right software to do the job.  I would not
 tell a person
 to use GIMP. GIMP has a learning Curve.  A guy took GIMP and made it
 easier to use.
 He them called it GIMPshop.  It bascally GIMP but has a better GUI so
 it is
 easier to use.  It used all of the GIMP filters and add-ons.


The latest versions of GIMP have a different UI which make it a little
more intuitive for people to use.

I don't do a lot of editing of photos- apart from cropping, re-scaling
etc, and occasionally altering the brightness and contrast.


Keith

 
 I have Photoshop, for some of my work, and I only use it when I have
 to.
 
 I do not know about you, but many people seems to not install the 
 software that comes with their camera.  The just do not use the
 computer
 to edit their photos.  They just take the photos and take the Memory
 Card
 to the photo printing place.  I do not use the camera software, since
 it does
 not work well at all.
 
 Here are the links to some of the better free image editors.
 
 GIMPshop
 http://www.gimpshop.com/
 
 Paint.NET
 http://www.getpaint.net/
 
 Photoscape
 http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php
 
 Artweaver
 http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version
 
 
 Tim L.
 Took over 4,700 digital photo since Sept 2005 and my camera
 software does not work on XP at all, and on Vista very badly.
 How many ( SD ) memory cards do you have for your camera(s)?
 
 
 
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[users] OT Free software ( was : Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?)

2008-12-22 Thread Drew Jensen

On 12/22/2008 6:55 PM, Keith Bates wrote:


GIMPshop
http://www.gimpshop.com/

Paint.NET
http://www.getpaint.net/



Well, I had to check out the Paint.NET application and although I can't
comment on the actual program yet (but I can tell I'll be losing a few 
ours playing with this cause it seems pretty nice) I did find one thing 
quite interesting and know some here will also.


While installing the bottom of the splash screen read (or words to this
effect):

Paint.NET is a free program - if you paid any money for it, other then
to donate to the project at getpaint.net then I recommend you go back
and request a refund.

*grin* Now what do you suppose prompted such a statement?

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Re: [users] OT Free software ( was : Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?)

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Bates
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 19:28 -0500, Drew Jensen wrote:
 On 12/22/2008 6:55 PM, Keith Bates wrote:
 
  GIMPshop
  http://www.gimpshop.com/
 
  Paint.NET
  http://www.getpaint.net/
 
 
 Well, I had to check out the Paint.NET application and although I can't
 comment on the actual program yet (but I can tell I'll be losing a few 
 ours playing with this cause it seems pretty nice) I did find one thing 
 quite interesting and know some here will also.
 
 While installing the bottom of the splash screen read (or words to this
 effect):
 
 Paint.NET is a free program - if you paid any money for it, other then
 to donate to the project at getpaint.net then I recommend you go back
 and request a refund.
 
 *grin* Now what do you suppose prompted such a statement?
 
 Drew

Maybe they should put that on the splash screen on OOo :)



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[users] Re: Draw: perfectly straight line

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 02:29 PM, Julio Sotolongo wrote:
 The only thing I can think of to say is cool.  8-)
 Julio

 NoOp wrote:
 I just tested with WinXP MSO 2002 and OOo 3.0 and I see what your friend
 is talking about. On MSO, a diagonal line will appear jagged (stairstep
 effect) in the draw box until the mouse is released. As soon as the
 mouse is released the line appears perfectly smooth - even when viewed
 at 500%. In OOo the line renders in stairstep (minor, but still
 noticeable). That's on a .24pixel professional quality monitor and also
 tested on a two other systems w/like monitors.
   
   

Well... not sure if it's actually cool or not. It would be really cool
if OOo rendered the line as MSO's draw does (crisp and clear with no
stairstep effect). But it does validate your friend's observation.

There may be a bug filed in OOo for this already, but searching the bug
database tends to be an art in itself. So, if you look for one be sure
to reserve some time to do so...




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[users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 07:13 AM, JiHui Choi wrote:
 Hi, all
 
 I have three documents.
 
 1. original.odg : the source file, http://www.box.net/shared/hmixhdhp9z
 2. template.otg : the template file, http://www.box.net/shared/p06x372roz
 3. output.odg : what I want to make, http://www.box.net/shared/juo4jpb0av
 
 I can't select or edit some objects, after I copy some picture from
 original.odg,
 and paste them into template.otg or new document which be created by
 template.otg.
 
 However, if I copy any object from original.odg and paste it into
 totally new document,
 it works correctly. So I guess template.otg has some protection. But
 I coutn't find.
 
 Is there anyone who help me?
 

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Re: [users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread JiHui Choi
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:06 AM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
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Thank you so much!! NoOp and Brian. :)

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[users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 07:01 PM, JiHui Choi wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:06 AM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Format|Layer| - uncheck 'Locked'

 Thank you so much!! NoOp and Brian. :)
 

Glad to have helped... However, please do some photo editing on Cors
before you publish :-)

joking




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Re: [users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread JiHui Choi
Hi, NoOp, Brian, and all
You can see my works on here.
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96373

:)

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Re: [users] Re: Draw: perfectly straight line

2008-12-22 Thread John Mary Linge
I took a look at drawing a line in Excel 2000, and the stairstep effect is
present in MSO at about the same level as OOo Draw. I seem to recall
Microsoft putting a lot of labor into anitaliasing lines and fonts in MSO a
few years ago. I can't see a group of open-source developers putting that
much effort in unless jaggie-free straight lines on a display made an
application unusable. Why is this such a big deal? I know when projecting an
Impress presentation, lines don't seem to show an appreciable stairstep
effect, and that's the only time it would seem to be a problem. I certainly
don't see this as a bug. Rather, the desire for reduced stairstep effect
would be an enhancement request.

John

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On 12/22/2008 02:29 PM, Julio Sotolongo wrote:
  The only thing I can think of to say is cool.  8-)
  Julio
 
  NoOp wrote:
  I just tested with WinXP MSO 2002 and OOo 3.0 and I see what your friend
  is talking about. On MSO, a diagonal line will appear jagged (stairstep
  effect) in the draw box until the mouse is released. As soon as the
  mouse is released the line appears perfectly smooth - even when viewed
  at 500%. In OOo the line renders in stairstep (minor, but still
  noticeable). That's on a .24pixel professional quality monitor and also
  tested on a two other systems w/like monitors.
 
 

 Well... not sure if it's actually cool or not. It would be really cool
 if OOo rendered the line as MSO's draw does (crisp and clear with no
 stairstep effect). But it does validate your friend's observation.

 There may be a bug filed in OOo for this already, but searching the bug
 database tends to be an art in itself. So, if you look for one be sure
 to reserve some time to do so...




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[users] Re: [openoffice] [users] How to scale down and save an image?

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 03:41 PM, Web Kracked wrote:

 
 Yes you need to use the right software to do the job.  I would not tell 
 a person
 to use GIMP. GIMP has a learning Curve.  A guy took GIMP and made it 
 easier to use.
 He them called it GIMPshop.  It bascally GIMP but has a better GUI so it is
 easier to use.  It used all of the GIMP filters and add-ons.
 
 I have Photoshop, for some of my work, and I only use it when I have to.
 
 I do not know about you, but many people seems to not install the
 software that comes with their camera.  The just do not use the computer
 to edit their photos.  They just take the photos and take the Memory Card
 to the photo printing place.  I do not use the camera software, since it 
 does
 not work well at all.
 
 Here are the links to some of the better free image editors.
 
 GIMPshop
 http://www.gimpshop.com/

Just as a 'heads-up' for those on Ubuntu (linux) - do a search on
gimpshop before installing - gimpshop hasn't been worked on for some
time and apparently breaks Gimp 2.4x.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+%2Bhardy+%2Bgimpshop

Some solutions are out there to get them both to work, but unless you
have a test system, I'd recommend staying with Gimp proper.


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[users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread NoOp
On 12/22/2008 07:43 PM, JiHui Choi wrote:
 Hi, NoOp, Brian, and all
 You can see my works on here.
 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96373
 
 :)
 

Well done.

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Re: [users] Re: Can't edit some object which is pasted from other document.

2008-12-22 Thread JiHui Choi
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:33 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 메리 크리스마스 잘 지내고 새해 복 많이 받으세요

Wow! Thanks a million, Gary.
Merry Christmas, and Happy new year!
to Gary and all of list!! :)


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