[users] Re: Can't download your program for Windows
On 09/27/2011 12:32 AM, Doug wrote: Yesterday tried to get OO and was told that the file would take several DAYS to download. Today got an install file from http://download.openoffice.fm/free and it d/l'd a file whose name ended in .exe.part and of course Windows said Select program to open part file or something like that. I had it on Windows before, but that was months ago. What must I do to get it now, and if I do, will it run on an x64 system? Yes, but you're better off getting the 64-bit version. What you rec'd on your 'puter is part of the archive, thus the *.part extension. Download again. Fred -- Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. - Unknown -- - To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[users] Realtec ALC655
I installed 10.4 on a box with AMD 64-bit, and has a Realtec ALC655
audio chipset, which should have been setup at the install, but the
system isn't seeing it. How I wish we still had alsaconf as often, it
would fix problems like this!! Does anyone have any ideas?
udevd errors are:
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:9
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:9
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:10
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:10
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:12
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:12
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:13
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:13
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:15
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:15
udevd[354]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device,
in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:16
udevd[354]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-alsa-firmware-loaders.rules:16
Thanks,
Fred
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Re: [users] Realtec ALC655
On 08/12/2010 06:53 PM, RA Brown wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: I installed 10.4 on a box with AMD 64-bit, and has a Realtec ALC655 audio chipset, which should have been setup at the install, but the system isn't seeing it. How I wish we still had alsaconf as often, it would fix problems like this!! Does anyone have any ideas? Hi Fred, I think you have the wrong mailing list. This is the OpenOffice.org users list, us...@openoffice.org. Yes..I did send it to the wrong one..SORRY!! Fred
Re: [users] Title Text Spectrum Morphing
On 03/12/2010 12:42 AM, jonathon wrote: netsecurity wrote: I have to rewrite 500K pages of documentation by 25 March, otherwise I'd be able to get to it sooner. I've had some truly crazy schedules for documentation but never 500,000 pages in 13 days! Well, I had four months, but on at least two occasions, and possibly more, Windows 7 decided that it needs to reformat the drive that the documents are stored on. Adding insult to injury, Win7 refuses to read the DVDs that the data was backed up to. I'd use Linux, but .NET 3.5 doesn't like *Nix in general, and WINE in specific. Almost makes you want to think there's something deliberate in that, eh? ;) Fred -- Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo? A: Bo has papers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Who has a larger organization (100 users) using Open Office?
On 12/06/2009 10:49 AM, James Knott wrote: Andreas Saeger wrote: Dan Itkis wrote: I'm looking to chat with someone who's migrated their organization to Open Office to gain insight into what to expect. thanks! Dan Does IBM count? They use their own derivate of OOo and name it Lotus Symphony. Of course, you can also include the likes of Novell, Sun (Star Office), Red Hat and others. One company I used to work for used OOo v1.x, but 'Could talk to a number of gov'ts outside of the USSpain, Italy, Germany, Norway, etc., as well as universities in those countries where Linux and OO reign supreme. Fred -- A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. --George Washington - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] USA.GOV sending a resume
On 11/16/2009 12:36 PM, Kelly wrote: thank you again. this helps me more than you know; I was laid off and tried sending my resume out and was having problems. Have to meet the requirements of my UI Benefits so that I do not lose them. Have a great day! Kelly Remember: Amateurs built the ark...Professionals built the Titanic. QUITE right about that! ;) Fred -- A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. --George Washington - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] 9.10 install: Monitor and Buffer I/O
Web Kracked wrote: Steven Kopischke wrote: I believe you are going to have better responses from your Linux distro list than from OpenOffice. OK, is there a Linux email list for OOo? Since it seems that 9.10 is referring to Ubuntu newest version - only out a day or three from the beta version - I was wondering if there is a Linux listing group for OOo? I run 9.04 Ubuntu with 3.1.1 (finally)along with two Windows version. I would love to talk to Linux people about OOo and Ubuntu (and other bistros) off the all-inclusive-lists. I wish there was help with Ubuntu as we have for OOo here. Tim L. tired of MS and wish to find a Linux distro for my HP AMD64 laptop. I have Ubuntu 9.1 running like the mad hatter here on this Dell laptop. If it won't install correctly, then install openSUSE 11.1. Make sure you choose the right version for either/both distros...32 or 64-bit. Fred -- Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, so I have more reliable. I use Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Goodbye, OpenOffice.Org. I'm going back to MS Office
Goodbye, OpenOffice.Org. I'm going back to MS Office http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=440183855-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 For the last three years, I've been using a version of OpenOffice.org on all of my systems. I'm sad to say that I'm going to move back to Office 2007 on Windows XP and Office 2008 on Mac OS X this week. -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Subject: Re: [users] Goodbye, OpenOffice.Org. I'm going back to MS Office
Michael Reich wrote: On 10/1/09 users-digest-h...@openoffice.org wrote: Subject: Re: [users] Goodbye, OpenOffice.Org. I'm going back to MS Office From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:16:40 +0200 To: users@openoffice.org, fmil...@lightlink.com 2009/10/1 Fred A. Miller fmil...@lightlink.com: Goodbye, OpenOffice.Org. I'm going back to MS Office http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=440183855-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 For the last three years, I've been using a version of OpenOffice.org on all of my systems. I'm sad to say that I'm going to move back to Office 2007 on Windows XP and Office 2008 on Mac OS X this week. Well, everyone can do whatever they like, so do whatever you think is best for you. I don't really see the point in writing about it; just do it. ON the other hand I don't see the point in my post either… J.R. That was my reaction as well (why write about it). I suppose it's related to him being a big mucky-muck member of the senior management team. His observation at the end struck me as really meaningless: Microsoft’s Office seems to work with just about everyone’s system (if I stick to Office 2003 formatted documents). So, I’m going to install it on my systems albeit reluctantly. It seems to work on everyone's system that has MS Office _installed_... duh. For now, it works. But, once '2003 support is gone and the company has to update, at what cost, how will he fix all the compatibility issues they'll have with '2008 or newer?! This isn't an issue with OO. Fred -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] MS office to openoffice
Pierre wrote: Satiesh Bansode wrote: whether it supports all the fuctions like email(outlook),word,excel and power point? There is a Send command on the File menu, much the same as in the MS-Office suite. It is supposed to interface with your default email client software. I use Thunderbird. However, while this works on the Windows operating system, I have never seen it work on Linux. 'Works fine in openSUSE 11.1. Fred -- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. —Thomas Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: another package ?
James Knott wrote: Twayne wrote: 's funny. Your data is very misleading. Linux: -- Has a steep learning curve Tell that to my friend, who I loaned my Eee PC to. She took to it right away, without any instruction whatsoever. -- Uses non-intuitive program names as a rule Are you referring to command line? If so, how many typical users go there? -- has more undiscovered security risks than Windows by a long shot with the actual quantity varying as each of many authors add their own improvements and additional features. Actually, for a variety of reasons, Linux tends to be far more secure. Are you aware, for example, that much of the security problems with IE result from MS trying to prove a point in response to what they claimed in a court case? Look up Netscape vs Microsoft, where MS claimed IE couldn't be removed, as it was part of the OS. At the time it wasn't, but with the next version, it was tightly intertwined with the operating system, with the result that a security problem for the browser becomes a security probem for the entire system. -- Carries many of the SAME security risks in the user category of bad use In normal usage, Linux does not expose users to risk, as they're less likely to run as admin (root). On the other hand, Windows users often have to run as admin, in order to get the app to work. -- is much more difficult to add/remove a program from than Windows How do you figure that? Have you actually tried recently in Linux??? -- Complete newbies find themselves understanding the nuances of controls and management much faster and easier in windows than in Linux -- is not user friendly Much B.S. Much? More like that's all it was! ;) Fred -- There is a reason that talk radio is primarily conservative. Conservatives are interested ONLY in the truth. Liberals only care about dogma and their agenda. The truth is unimportant. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] How Office SP2 manages to reduce interoperability
How Office SP2 manages to reduce interoperability How Office SP2 manages to reduce interoperability Jeremy Allison: Microsoft Office SP2 claims to have a fully compliant version of ODF, and that's probably true, as defined by the specification. It's just completely useless at interoperating with other vendors' products. This is not interoperability; it's an attack on the very concept. http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=212634835-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 -- Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate. --Ann Coulter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Will OpenOffice survive the Oracle-Sun takeover?
What this means is that OpenOffice must live on beyond Sun. Maybe Oracle will get behind it; I’m not so sure and I’m not alone. However, whatever rebranding of Go-oo needs to happen should happen and we should make sure that our students and schools still have access to the highest quality, free office suite available. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2452tag=nl.e539 -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] MICROSOFT TO LIMIT SUPPORT FOR OFFICE 2003
M Henri Day wrote: 2009/4/7 Fred A. Miller fmil...@lightlink.com mailto:fmil...@lightlink.com MICROSOFT TO LIMIT SUPPORT FOR OFFICE 2003 -- The company says that beginning next week it will move Office 2003 out of mainstream and into extended support, right along with Windows XP. To get nonsecurity hot fixes, companies will have to maintain signed support contracts with Microsoft. Read on: http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/4739525/250558731/181004/0/ Missed this important notice, Fred - thanks for the heads-up !... NO problem. If anything, this should help promote OO even more! Fred -- The fundamental premise of liberalism is the moral and rational incapacity of the American people. ~ Fred Miller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Hackers seize on 0-day flaw in Microsoft's PowerPoint
Hackers seize on 0-day flaw in Microsoft's PowerPoint http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/4745340/120843336/181312/0/ -- The fundamental premise of liberalism is the moral and rational incapacity of the American people. ~ Fred Miller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] MICROSOFT TO LIMIT SUPPORT FOR OFFICE 2003
MICROSOFT TO LIMIT SUPPORT FOR OFFICE 2003 -- The company says that beginning next week it will move Office 2003 out of mainstream and into extended support, right along with Windows XP. To get nonsecurity hot fixes, companies will have to maintain signed support contracts with Microsoft. Read on: http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/4739525/250558731/181004/0/ -- The fundamental premise of liberalism is the moral and rational incapacity of the American people. ~ Fred Miller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Hackers seize on zero-day flaw in Microsoft's PowerPoint
Hackers seize on zero-day flaw in Microsoft's PowerPoint http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/4714499/250558731/180587/0/ -- The fundamental premise of liberalism is the moral and rational incapacity of the American people. ~ Fred Miller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Spam challenge from being on this list.?
James Elliott - WA Rural Computers wrote: Thanks for all the good information and advice Life's a learning curve ... especially in IT. And, it NEVER ends! ;) Fred -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] viewer for Impress
Adrienne wrote: I helped my sixth graders make open office Impress presentations which they can show at school on my room computer but I need to be able for them to show them at home. Is there a viewer I can pack with their program? If nothing else, why not export to a pdf? Fred -- Someone is a liberal when you can't reason them out of anything, because they never reason themselves into any position. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] AT the risk, and proud to do it, of being called a Bible Thumper
M. Fioretti wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 09:07:22 AM -0800, John Boyle wrote: To ALL, including James Knott, *MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BLESSED NEW YEAR :-) * Same from me! Merry Christmas to all. Same from here!! Fred -- I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Q Re: StarOffice 9 Released today
Web Kracked wrote: Twayne wrote: snip They say there is no dumb question except the one that doesn't get asked. Let's test that outg. Historically, I came to OO.o from StarOffice long, long ago. In fact in my blissful ignorance I didn't ever realize they weren't the same thing for a long time, 'way back when'. If they were the same thing at that timeg. snip TIA, Twayne I wonder how many people have switched from the paid StarOffice to the free OpenOffice.org I know, from his author's notes and newsletters, that Piers Anthony [ SciFi and Fantasy writer] switched from Microsoft to StarOffice, then to OpenOffice.org, over the years. He also switched to Linux as well. I remember something about his switching from StarOffice to OOo when it was in its 1.x version(s). I switched to OOo as well during the 1.x [1.1.x? 1.2.x?] and have used it ever since. I know that if a writer, who writes up to 5 novels a year, uses OOo for his writing/typing of works, it must be a good product for the creation of large files, i.e. 400-500 page books. He also write some micros that makes his work easier. What they are and do, I never read that information. He also is over 65 [maybe over 70], so he has a lot of time to find the best software to use to write his text. So Twayne, thank you for you dumb question. I also think there is no dumb question. I had a professor that would not answer any question that was dumb in her standards. Many students turned to other professors to answer their dumb questions. Thanks to everyone on this list to answer our questions, dumb, highly technical, or somewhere in between. Thanks again. Tim L. Working with computers since 1978 and have asked a lot of dumb questions over the years to get my three degrees. Humph!! I've been working with them since '80 and also asked a lot of dumb questions. But, where's my 3 degrees? ;) Fred -- I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Please reconsider.
Nancy Russell wrote: I am being inundated with email from this site. Is it always going to be like this if I stay on? I already get lots of email and I can't handle reading everyone's email who has a thought or issue with the program. That's what tech. elists are like. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Animator_vs__Animation
Just a tad bit of humor for OO users. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Animator_vs__Animation
Fred A. Miller wrote: Just a tad bit of humor for OO users. Sorry! Forgot the address: http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/077/2/e/Animator_vs__Animation_by_alanbecker.swf Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OTL files - Out Text files?
web at work wrote: From: Dave Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:17:07 -0400 Here is a question. I have a Bible file in a OTL type of file. It is an Outline Text type of document. snip SO can anyone help? Anyone used OTL files before? Anyway to get OOo to have one frame show the Outline Headings and another to show the text of that outlined section? Tim L. (web at work) who lost all of my DOS books (and much more references) in my last move. OTL is the file extension that Eric G.V. Fookes (Fookes Software) chose to identify the OuTLine feature he built into the NoteTab software. These are just plain text, with no embedded formatting codes in the true sense. Other than the presence of the first line in an OTL file and the equal sign, used as a tag by the NoteTab software, there is nothing special about these text files. In fact if you open one in any other plain text editor (eg. Windows Notepad), remove just the first line (eg. = V4 Outline MultiLine NoSorting TabWidth=30) and save it, NoteTab will open it as it would any other plain text file, with no side panel. The side panel displaying the headings/Books is hard coded into NoteTab. So there is no reason why OOo, or any other software should display these files as anything other than plain text. Unless, for some reason, that other software is emulating NoteTab. I have a few ideas how something similar might be replicated in Writer and somebody (not me), with the necessary skills, could possibly even write an otl to odt converter. However, I don't see this as an award winning feature for OOo. Dave So I lucked out with reading them in the proper program after all. I do like the Outline Headings displayed in the left site panel. I would love to be able to use some printing software to make a PDF file that includes the Outline Headings. PDF's can have chapter outlines, etc., but I never learned how to make them. That is the feature that I like. over 1500 printed pages and they are indexed/outlined for easier use and/or viewing. Great Idea. The strange thing, since the OTL file was created for NoteTab, was the fact that that file format was not associated with NoteTab [light] and I had to make it associate with it after it was able to be opened by NoteTab. Well I have seen stranger. Thanks for the help. ALSO at least this list email got through. It seems my service is randomly bouncing some of these list-emails back to the list-server system. I get that notice once a week or more. My service puts the blame on the list-server, not their email server that is bouncing the emails back as unwanted or unable to be delivered. Thanks everyone. This is still a great place to get information. Plus Version 3.0 is a great product, and faster to load than 2.x. Slower to get its first screen up vs. Word, but then it takes 2-3 minutes before Word lets me ask it to open a file or type in new stuff. OOo/writer does not make we wait that long to start working. Tim L. retired, but working harder now than ever. plus burning 30-50 OO 3.0 cd this past week and more next week for those dialup users locally. Free of charge or a donation to the cause. GREAT! Keep up the good work! Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] New extension.
Harold Fuchs wrote: On 18/10/2008 21:25, Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred You should be able to click on File Open and select the PDF file. It should then open in Draw. Nodoesn't work. :( Get the same garbage I'd get in OO 2.4. Fred As always, the word should should be deleted from the vocabulary of all intelligent life forms ;-) Certainly from the vocabulary of those trying to assist others with the use of computers. No, no, no!! ;) I can't get along without that most used and needed word!! For example, Bob, it SHOULDN'T take any longer than a half hour to fix your problem. Sure 'nough, it often will take 1.5 or 2 hours. ;) We need that most prophetic word to protect our estimates as to how long something will take. ;) Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: New extension.
James Knott wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/18/2008 01:25 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred You should be able to click on File Open and select the PDF file. It should then open in Draw. Nodoesn't work. :( Get the same garbage I'd get in OO 2.4. Fred http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94784 [Sun PDF Import Extension [Beta] 0.3.1-LinuxIntel does not open PDF in OOo 3.0_m9(RC4)] It doesn't work in linux in OOo 3.0. It does work in StarOffice 9 (OOo 3.0 equivalent), so please be sure to add a comment that it doesn't work with openSUSE either. Note that the bug has been opened for 10 days, *and* a comment also left on http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport but Sun has yet to acknowledge the OOo problem or assigned it to anyone. I reckon as long as it's working on StarOffice 9, then OOo 3.0 is a low priority. Is the problem with the extension or OpenOffice on Linux? Until you know that, it's hard to assign blame. 'Has to be the extensionI'd think. It does work on one box but doesn't on 2 othersso far. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] New extension.
Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] New extension.
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred You should be able to click on File Open and select the PDF file. It should then open in Draw. Nodoesn't work. :( Get the same garbage I'd get in OO 2.4. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: New extension.
NoOp wrote: On 10/18/2008 01:25 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred You should be able to click on File Open and select the PDF file. It should then open in Draw. Nodoesn't work. :( Get the same garbage I'd get in OO 2.4. Fred http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94784 [Sun PDF Import Extension [Beta] 0.3.1-LinuxIntel does not open PDF in OOo 3.0_m9(RC4)] It doesn't work in linux in OOo 3.0. It does work in StarOffice 9 (OOo 3.0 equivalent), so please be sure to add a comment that it doesn't work with openSUSE either. Note that the bug has been opened for 10 days, *and* a comment also left on http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport but Sun has yet to acknowledge the OOo problem or assigned it to anyone. I reckon as long as it's working on StarOffice 9, then OOo 3.0 is a low priority. That would be typical. :( Thanks, Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] [users] Re: New extension.
Keith Bates wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:00:25 -0700 NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/2008 01:25 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Ok...I have 3.0 installed and the new extension to import a PDF. However, in Draw and Impression it won't work. What am I missing? 'Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 Thanks, Fred You should be able to click on File Open and select the PDF file. It should then open in Draw. Nodoesn't work. :( Get the same garbage I'd get in OO 2.4. Fred http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94784 [Sun PDF Import Extension [Beta] 0.3.1-LinuxIntel does not open PDF in OOo 3.0_m9(RC4)] It doesn't work in linux in OOo 3.0. It does work in StarOffice 9 (OOo 3.0 equivalent), so please be sure to add a comment that it doesn't work with openSUSE either. Note that the bug has been opened for 10 days, *and* a comment also left on http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport but Sun has yet to acknowledge the OOo problem or assigned it to anyone. I reckon as long as it's working on StarOffice 9, then OOo 3.0 is a low priority. I've just downloaded the extension and it works (sort of) for me, using Ubuntu 8.04. It opened the entire Evolution manual (slowly) as expected and as far as I could see allowed me to edit line by line. OTOH I opened an invoice that may have been produced by MSO and while it opened fine, the embedded text was garbled. Oksounds like it still has problems. Also, you may be using UBuntu 32-bitI'm using 64-bit. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Clipart pictures?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to download clipart to open office or un other webb to get pictures? Elisabeth Nordin Any browser and search service should get you all you need, and more. Fred -- Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Groklaw - The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move
Why do I say Microsoft, when this is SC 34? Look at this, will you? It has a list of participants in the July meeting in Japan of the SC 34 committee. The committee membership is so tilted by Microsoft employees and such, if it were a boat, it would capsize. In fact, I'd say it already has. Of the 19 attendees, 8 are outright Microsoft employees or consultants, and 2 of them are Ecma TC45 members. So 10 out of 19 are directly controlled by Microsoft/Ecma. Any questions? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080825162905645 -- Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born. --Ronald Reagan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Groklaw - The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move
James Knott wrote: Richard Detwiler wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Why do I say Microsoft, when this is SC 34? Look at this, will you? It has a list of participants in the July meeting in Japan of the SC 34 committee. The committee membership is so tilted by Microsoft employees and such, if it were a boat, it would capsize. In fact, I'd say it already has. Of the 19 attendees, 8 are outright Microsoft employees or consultants, and 2 of them are Ecma TC45 members. So 10 out of 19 are directly controlled by Microsoft/Ecma. Any questions? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080825162905645 And what does this have to do with this OpenOffice users list?? The relevance is that group wants to take over ODF from OASIS and ODF is file format spec used by OpenOffice. For another take on related news, there's this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081003-norwegian-standards-body-implodes-over-ooxml-controversy.html By one method or another, Microsoft is trying to destroy competition, including OpenOffice, by destroying ODF and by getting their own format declared the standard. This Norwegian issue is but one example of the corruption of the ISO process, when Microsoft tried to force through OOXML. It was so bad that ISO has lost credibility and one committee is now paralyzed, because they were stacked with Microsoft supporters and now they've lost interest, so that committee can no longer obtain a quorum. Much of this situation has been documented on Groklaw. ALL correct! ODF MUST remain with OASIS for OpenOffice to continue to be open source, AND all other like software that uses the ODF specs. This is the latest underhanded and silent move by MickySoft to kill off ODF. Fred -- Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born. --Ronald Reagan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] IBM move reopens Open Office XML debate
Here’s the real irony. 1. Before submitting its Office format as Office Open XML, Microsoft held it as proprietary. 2. To make OOXML a standard, Microsoft allowed others to implement it. 3. But with no one (including Microsoft) implementing it 4. Microsoft could simply change the format and go back to having it be proprietary. It will be as if the recent battle never happened. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2927tag=nl.e539 -- While addressing the [GOP convention], Sarah Palin criticized Barack Obama for not having enough 'specifics.' Obama was reportedly angry about the claim, but didn't say exactly why. -Conan O'Brien - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Installing RC - where is it?
Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2008/9/20 M Henri Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/9/20 Johnny Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Distro=Ubuntu 8.04 OpenOffice.org, latest RC (downloaded today from the Openoffice.org site). I unpacked, opened a virtual terminal, went to the directory with all the debs, then did sudo dpkg -i *deb It installed fine. I wanted to intall it alongside the 2.4.1 version, and when I click the ordinary Office icon, for example the Calc icon, the old 2.4.1 starts. That's fine, that's exactly what I want to happen, but how do I start the new 3.0 RC? I just can't find it… and I don't even know where to start looking. Tried whereis but I only found the 2.4.1 version. J.R. Johnny, do you see the suite (OOo 3.0 RC1) under «Program» → «Kontor» (I presume that you, like me, are running a Swedish version of Hardy, if not use the English equivalents) ? No, there are only the 2.4.1 icons, which not surprisingly starts the 2.4.1 applications. If so, you can put the new icon (looks like a bouncing spring) on your panel by right-clicking it and then choosing «Lägg till den här programstartare på panelen». Well, the problem was that I couldn't it since I didn'ty know what to look for, exactly. I know how to add things to whatever places I like, that's not a problem for me since I have used Ubuntu for a bit more than a year now. But you couldn't possibly know that, so it's ok… If not, run «locate soffice.bin» in a terminal and see what you get - presumably something like «/opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin». No, I only got another location, which only lead me to the 2.4.1 once again. However, I finally found it, thanks to you. /opt/openoffice.org3.program/soffice.bin was exactly what I was looking for! Strange that the locate command didn't mention that place… It wouldn't unless you ran updatedb as root in konsole right after you installed 3.0 RC. This updates the database for locate, which cron runs every day. Fred -- While addressing the [GOP convention], Sarah Palin criticized Barack Obama for not having enough 'specifics.' Obama was reportedly angry about the claim, but didn't say exactly why. -Conan O'Brien - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Document Standards Dispute Leaves ISO Battered
Document Standards Dispute Leaves ISO Battered A decision to dismiss appeals against the controversial fast-track approval of a Microsoft document format has provoked six members of global standards-setting body ISO to question ISO's relevance. Brazil, India, South Africa and Venezuela -- countries with fast-growing IT markets -- had appealed against ISO's stamp of approval for Microsoft Office Open XML, See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/64366.html -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Microsoft's ODF support looks good - but on paper only
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Re: [users] It's official: OOXML is a standard
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3945tag=nl.e539 It's a standard that no one, not even Microsoft uses. It's certainly a disgrace for ISO. I do agree with you. It's a travesty that it even pasted, IMHO. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] It's official: OOXML is a standard
Rodney Myers wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 11:53 AM, James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3945tag=nl.e539 It's a standard that no one, not even Microsoft uses. It's certainly a disgrace for ISO. The best standard that money can buy. You got it! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] It's official: OOXML is a standard
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Re: [users] Adding Comments: best practice
Ramzi El Halabi wrote: I am facing the same problem John is facing, and I agree totally with what he is saying Regards, Ramzi Al Halaby -Original Message- From: John Fistere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:47 AM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Adding Comments: best practice When I am reading a thread in this forum, I sort by Subject: and read all the new messages in a thread at one time. I find it time consuming to scroll to the bottom of each message, past what I just read, to get to the new comment. Wouldn't it make more sense to add the new message at the top, so you see it immediately? If you have lost track of a [snip] No, it doesn't. We all read from left to right and from top to bottom. This argument has been around the horn more than once. Many of us old timers simply won't read top posted mail. I did this one, but normallyNADA! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Adding Comments: best practice
Harold Fuchs wrote: [snip] No, it doesn't. We all read from left to right and from top to bottom. This argument has been around the horn more than once. Many of us old timers simply won't read top posted mail. I did this one, but normallyNADA! Fred You are obviously a mere stripling youth ;-) In the days of print-only e-mail (no screens) at 10 characters per second (late 1970's when I got my first e-mail account), top posting was mandatory so that, if you had been paying attention to the conversation, as polite people did, you could hit the break or interrupt key to stop the rest of the message being printed in order to save time and paper. Bottom posting is *new* and is only practical on screens. The facility existed back then to bottom post but people who did it tended to get lynched. It's like conducting a telephone call in which you repeat the entire previous conversation before adding your new comment. NO.I'm NOT a mere stripling youth, but you already know that. ;) For many years, top posting has been considered rude, and it still is by many. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Ubuntu god
Paul wrote: Bob Estes wrote: James Knott wrote: [snip] Well, lets see some evidence why it isn't. There's plenty that discredits what the church etc. teaches. Not on this list. If this discussion must take place - take it to social. Definitely not a 'users' discussion. Correct!! James has a problem, namely try to convince himself that he's right AND taking others along with him. He has a right to that view and to pursue it, but NOT HERE!! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: How to win friends for Open Office
Larry Gusaas wrote: Keith Bates, 2008/08/03 5:48 PM: I'm just wondering how many of those who participated in the god ubuntu thread gave any thought to what they were actually doing when they jumped in with their enlightened comments on religion. If I were a brand new user of Open Office asking for help on my new installation of this strange software, do you think I would welcome having my deeply held beliefs mocked and derided not just by one member of this so-called community but by several. And how many people are irritated by your signature which promotes one particular religion? How do you think Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Baha'is, Zoroastrians, and members of other religions react to your message? How will Atheists and Agnostics react? This list, and signatures to messages, is not a place to promote any particular religion. 'NO problem with his sig. Some don't like mine either, but I still use it. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: How to win friends for Open Office
John Boyle wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Larry Gusaas wrote: Keith Bates, 2008/08/03 5:48 PM: I'm just wondering how many of those who participated in the god ubuntu thread gave any thought to what they were actually doing when they jumped in with their enlightened comments on religion. If I were a brand new user of Open Office asking for help on my new installation of this strange software, do you think I would welcome having my deeply held beliefs mocked and derided not just by one member of this so-called community but by several. And how many people are irritated by your signature which promotes one particular religion? How do you think Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Baha'is, Zoroastrians, and members of other religions react to your message? How will Atheists and Agnostics react? This list, and signatures to messages, is not a place to promote any particular religion. 'NO problem with his sig. Some don't like mine either, but I still use it. Fred To Fred: WHO CARES! If you are not a Christian then just delete the message! :o Yep...do it all the time...no big deal. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Installing OO.o on PCLinuxOS
Russell Butler wrote: Bob Estes wrote: I've just installed and updated PCLinuxOS 2007 in a dual boot configuration with Windows XP PRO, SP3. This is my first experience with any form of Linux. OOo came with the PCLinux installation, and the Synaptic package manager updated it to v. 2.3.1. I downloaded the 2.4.1 Linux version from the OOo website, but I can't figure how to install it. (Double clicking the installation file like in Windows don't work.) Since I am new to Linux, please be specific with your instructions. HI Bob Some info on installing on debian based distros at http://openoffice.debian.net/install.html or more general at http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=26173 I presume PCLinuxOS 2007 is debian based, using synaptic? Yes it is. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. Using openSUSE Linux 11.0 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Installing OO.o on PCLinuxOS
Howard Coles Jr. wrote: [snip] No, it is not. Its Based on Mandriva Linux, so you'd need RPMs that are mandrake . . .uh, mandriva, oriented. It uses Apt, and Synaptic but it does so on an RPM based system. OH, crap, there is another one that does that as well, but I can't recall its name now. PCLinuxOS has been slipping bad of late, and I think the fact that there is no 2008 edition may speak wonders. You may want to check out another Distro, like OpenSUSE, Kubuntu (or Ubuntu if you find you like Gnome), or Mandriva itself. There are more, as the guys around here will fill you in. All I install anymore is openSUSE 11.0 with KDE 3.5.9. Best there is! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ I've lived without MS Office since StarOffice 5.2 So did I, but it was the first version of SO for OS/2what ever that version was. 'Course, my first was Perfect Writer and WordStar. ;) Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ I've lived without MS Office since StarOffice 5.2 So did I, but it was the first version of SO for OS/2what ever that version was. 'Course, my first was Perfect Writer and WordStar. ;) Fred My first word processor was PC-Write, at home and Wordstar 2000, at work. I had also used an editor on VAX/VMS prior to that. I knew you'd been around as long as I have. And that dates both of us. ;) Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
The Morses wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ I've lived without MS Office since StarOffice 5.2 So did I, but it was the first version of SO for OS/2what ever that version was. 'Course, my first was Perfect Writer and WordStar. ;) Fred Me, on OS/2 using StarOffice 3.1 back in '95. And to think I was running an insurance business on a Kaypro II with only 64k of RAM in '80, using Perfect Filer for the database. Those WERE the days! :) Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
Twayne wrote: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ I could but not quite ready til I get a few of the non-working templates rearranged straightened out, envelopes and labels in particular. Plus I still have a few huge files that OOo Writer doesn't like so it barfs graphics all around the pages let to pair down. Can't wait for the day when I call all of MS just a memory. It is nice.quite nice! ;) I've not had any problems converting anything.yet. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] What's Holding OpenOffice Back?
What's Holding OpenOffice Back? Why doesn't free trump expensive? Every Microsoft product has a free, open source counterpart created by dedicated programmers who loathe everything the company stands for. The free stuff is darn good. Yet companies and individuals continue to buy billions of dollars worth of Microsoft products. See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/63684.html -- This message originated from a Linux computer using Open Source software: openSuSE Linux 11.0 No Gates, no Windowsjust Linux - STABLE SECURE! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] New proof: Office 14 slated for 2009
I wonder what compatibility issues we'll have with this release. Or should I say, how will MickySoft screw the OSS community this time? Fred New proof: Office 14 slated for 2009 Mary Jo Foley: Even though Microsoft has yet to release a public test build of Office 14, it is tracking for a 2009 release and will likely be named Office 2009. http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=56754879-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Countries Line Up Against OOXML as Global Standard
Countries Line Up Against OOXML as Global Standard Venezuela is now the latest country to appeal the adoption of an international standard based on Microsoft's Office Open XML file format. Following news last week that the South African Bureau of Standards had sent a letter protesting the decision late last month, Brazil and India joined with their own appeals shortly thereafter. See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/63239.html -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] What might come of the OOXML revolt?
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Re: [users] ODF incompatible variants, was: Microsoft and ODF
John W Kennedy wrote: On May 24, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:29:46 -0700 Ganesha Bhaskara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If SUN, IBM etc., starts behaving like MSFT, Actually, MSFT is behaving like IBM did 30 or 40 years ago. Not really. IBM tended to be on the cutting edge, and often could not wait for the standards to catch up. (Standard COBOL, for example, did not get around to supporting disk files until 1968.) Microsoft, on the other hand, deliberately pisses in standards simply to protect their monopoly. Exactly! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] EU shows size of Microsoft credibility gap
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Re: [users] Microsoft and ODF
mike scott wrote: On 22 May 2008 at 3:39, Drew Jensen wrote: Michael Adams wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:20:02 +0100 mike scott wrote: Unless their version starts acquiring incompatible extensions. Isn't this what happened with java? (Or maybe I remember wrongly.) Are you thinking JScript, Microsofts answer to Netscapes Javascript? I think he is referring to - Microsoft started made some changes to to the java language's implementation for Windows platforms primarily to address performance issues as I recall SUN threatened to sue They stopped. The outcome of that little exchange between the two companies was the birth of a totally new language - C# That's probably it. Although my rather vague recollection is that there were some compatibility issues which went against Sun's licensing conditions. It just seemed that MS, after taking ODF on board, would be in an ace position to wreck its compatibility across systems, blame others, then push their own as the One True Standard. Maybe I'm just too cynical :-) NO you're not! 'Ballmer has as much ethics and morals as a rabid grizzly. Fred -- Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Microsoft and ODF
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: NO you're not! 'Ballmer has as much ethics and morals as a rabid grizzly. Fred Hi Fred. You might want to check your computer clock. It appears to be off by several hours. Thanks, James! I've be messing with openSUSE Betta 3 and now am back to 10.3. 'Guess I missed setting the clock correctly. :( Fred -- Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Microsoft and ODF
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: NO you're not! 'Ballmer has as much ethics and morals as a rabid grizzly. Fred Hi Fred. You might want to check your computer clock. It appears to be off by several hours. Thanks, James! I've be messing with openSUSE Betta 3 and now am back to 10.3. 'Guess I missed setting the clock correctly. :( Fred You apparently replied to my note almost 12 hours before I sent it! ;-) Have you considered using an NTP clock? There are lots of them around the world and they'll keep your clock accurate. I use one to synchronize my computer clock and when I compare it with a clock that's synchronized with WWVB, they're right on the same time, within a fraction of a second. I ALWAYS use NTP clock.just forgot to set it up. ;) Note the correct time? Fred -- Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Microsoft and ODF
NoOp wrote: On 05/22/2008 03:57 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: You might want to check your computer clock. It appears to be off by several hours. Thanks, James! I've be messing with openSUSE Betta 3 and now am back to 10.3. 'Guess I missed setting the clock correctly. :( Fred You apparently replied to my note almost 12 hours before I sent it! ;-) Have you considered using an NTP clock? There are lots of them around the world and they'll keep your clock accurate. I use one to synchronize my computer clock and when I compare it with a clock that's synchronized with WWVB, they're right on the same time, within a fraction of a second. I ALWAYS use NTP clock.just forgot to set it up. ;) Note the correct time? Fred Consider using http://www.ntp.org/ http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome http://www.pool.ntp.org/ http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers You'll save the key ntp servers from getting hammered. Use a local university NTP server. ;) Fred -- Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Microsoft Expands List of Formats Supported in Microsoft Office:ODF.........
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[users] UK education agency nixes OOXML
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[users] MICROSOFT FACES ANOTHER INTEROPERABILITY COMPLAINT IN EUROPE
MICROSOFT FACES ANOTHER INTEROPERABILITY COMPLAINT IN EUROPE Microsoft's reluctance to make its Office suite interoperable with competing products has prompted a British government agency to complain to the European Commission, which is already investigating the company's conduct in this area. More of this article at: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3241054/120843336/114873/0/ -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Open office won't open
samantha stille wrote: hi there - hope someone can help. after much trial and error, have managed to download Openoffice, but when i go to open it, all that happens is that it comes up on the bar at the top of the page, but that is it. No documents, or programmes, or anything. Even when I double click on the icon, nothing happens. i have checked that it has actually been downloaded, and it says it is there, but why is it not opening!? Getting very discouraged. I am using a Mac OS X 10.3. please help. thank you After downloading, did you install it? Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
Bob Estes wrote: I wish knuckleheads everywhere would stop putting either Billary or Obama (God help us all) on a pedestal!! Bush has done a lot that I don't agree with, but the idea of either of those to socialist hairbags on the demo. ticket getting into the White House is enough to make be have the back door trots Further, DON'T think for one min. that either of them would be kinder to open source! Gates and company has already bought them - FACT! Fred I agree with you 100% Fred. Also, I'm not a big fan of McCain, but the alternative would be a disaster. Well, I hated to make a political statement here, but some else started it by bashing Bush. It was an illiterate statement to begin with, and it needed correction IN relation to open source. NO ONE running for the oval office is going to help in that regard. WE are going to have to do that ourselvesperiod. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
William Case wrote: Hi; On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 14:00 -0400, Scott Castaline wrote: James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: [snip] [snip] First of all, I am an American. Second of all, I DID NOT vote for the hockey puck that is in the White House. Third of all, I DO NOT use M$ Winblowz, but have used Linux for many years. Fourth of all, I DO NOT use M$ Orafice, but use OOo from the 1.x days. The impact of M$ may be perceived as an American thing, but on the American Forums it does not seem that way, Linux users are just as passionate here as anywhere else and are just as numerous. Unfortunately, the legal pressure on M$ is off and that appears to be indirectly or directly related to the current White House Hockey Puck. The antitrust suits started during the previous administration seem to have been dropped shortly after Dubya's appearance onto the scene. I do applaude the EU's attacks on M$, including the recent one about M$ withholding specs on it's recently ISO approved standard doc. format. These withholdings, as many feared make other office suites incompatible with OOXML. I hope the next admin will have the backbone to stand upto Steve Ballmer Assoc. better known as M$. As a Canadian, I wish you would stop insulting hockey pucks by comparing them to Dubya. I wish knuckleheads everywhere would stop putting either Billary or Obama (God help us all) on a pedestal!! Bush has done a lot that I don't agree with, but the idea of either of those to socialist hairbags on the demo. ticket getting into the White House is enough to make be have the back door trots Further, DON'T think for one min. that either of them would be kinder to open source! Gates and company has already bought them - FACT! Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: new user nees HELP!!!!!
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/5/14 NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You'd be surprised at how many systems do not have a PDF reader installed. Plus Adobe Reader 8.1.2 for Windows takes up 130MB of disk space. In this case I think it better that the OP simply save the file in Word format for her _boss_ :-) I probably would be surprised. How about HTML? GIF? :) Does the Microsoft operating system really not come with a pdf reader?!? I find that very hard to believe. What does it come with, other than Notepad and IE? NOTHING of much value. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
Drew Jensen wrote: [snip] Are there individuals, companies, that would rather go the pick and choose route - of course there are, but I submit that this is not the majority of prospective SMB users...they have neither the time, personnel nor inclination to do so. Anyway - just some of my personal thoughts.. I was going to stay out of this as well, but now I won't. If OO were doing so badly as a quality solid solution, it wouldn't be THE office suite in many parts of the world - period! Obviously, in many of those countries, they use Linux instead of MickySoft and use either KMail or Thunderbird for mail. ONLY the US is MickySoft centric and that is illogical, but then, Americans for the most part lost their ability to think logically a long time ago. Further, having been involved in IT since '80, I can assure you that the #1 reason MickySoft has maintained their #1 spot IS primarily due to illegal and grossly underhanded actions and NO OTHER. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
Drew Jensen wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: [snip] Are there individuals, companies, that would rather go the pick and choose route - of course there are, but I submit that this is not the majority of prospective SMB users...they have neither the time, personnel nor inclination to do so. Anyway - just some of my personal thoughts.. I was going to stay out of this as well, but now I won't. If OO were doing so badly as a quality solid solution, it wouldn't be THE office suite in many parts of the world - period! Obviously, in many of those countries, they use Linux instead of MickySoft and use either KMail or Thunderbird for mail. ONLY the US is MickySoft centric and that is illogical, but then, Americans for the most part lost their ability to think logically a long time ago. Further, having been involved in IT since '80, I can assure you that the #1 reason MickySoft has maintained their #1 spot IS primarily due to illegal and grossly underhanded actions and NO OTHER. Fred Glad we could have this enlightening exchange of ideas Fred.. You're welcome. 'Past time this nonsense was put to rest. MickySoft is what it is, and sooner or later will diminish in size and power, IF users in the US unplug their heads from their butts like so many outside out boards have already done. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] First look at OpenOffice.org 3.0 beta
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Re: [users] Re: 64bit builds
John Jason Jordan wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 07:57:32 -0400 James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: In any case, there are no 64-bit builds listed on the official download page: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US Quite so. I've had a 64 bit Linux version for almost 2 years now. I've never seen a 64 bit version on the OpenOffice site. I have been using the SUSE version for almost 2 years. Then why aren't you using the 64-bit build? 'Thought you were. 'Been working so many hours my RAM is a tad tired. ;) Ummm... Perhaps I'm missing something here, but why do you think I don't? I posted Quite so. I've had a 64 bit Linux version for almost 2 years now. in an earlier note. See above. I bought an AMD 64 mom board almost 2 years ago and had 64 bit OpenOffice shortly after that. My first venture into Linux was Ubuntu Breezy, which had just been released at the time. It came with whatever was the current version of OOo at the time. I just assumed it was a 64-bit compile. I've never needed to install a version from OOo except during the days of Feisty, when drag and drop of text was broken. (Compiling from source didn't resolve the matter; the problem was in Feisty, not OOo.) Today I have OOo 2.4 that the recent upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy installed. I assume it is 64-bit. After all, OOo is open source, so if Ubuntu, Suse, or any other distro wants to, they can just compile it as 64-bit and put the .deb or .rpm in their repositories. But having said that, why is there no official 64-bit .deb or .rpm on OOo's website? Is it not fairly trivial just to compile the source for 64-bit? One would think. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] 64bit builds
Jerry Feldman wrote: On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:13:20 -0400 Drew Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From an announcement on the GULLFoss blog today http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/openoffice_org_builds_for_linux The build engineers at SUN will begin official 64bit builds for Linux with the next OO.o30 Developers snapshot build... No word in the release if this will include both RPM and DEB file formats? Anyone know when or if OO.o will be released for the IA64. It is already..for Linux anyway. I'd assume for MickySoft as well. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: 64bit builds
John Thompson wrote: On 2008-05-03, Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know when or if OO.o will be released for the IA64. It is already..for Linux anyway. I'd assume for MickySoft as well. I don't think the current 64-bit linux builds are official OOo builds, but rather done by distribution maintainers, e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, etc. In any case, there are no 64-bit builds listed on the official download page: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US Ok..sorrydidn't check there. openSUSE has them. ;) Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: 64bit builds
James Knott wrote: John Thompson wrote: On 2008-05-03, Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know when or if OO.o will be released for the IA64. It is already..for Linux anyway. I'd assume for MickySoft as well. I don't think the current 64-bit linux builds are official OOo builds, but rather done by distribution maintainers, e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, etc. In any case, there are no 64-bit builds listed on the official download page: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US Quite so. I've had a 64 bit Linux version for almost 2 years now. I've never seen a 64 bit version on the OpenOffice site. James, openSUSE has had it for sometime.should be to use it, I'd think. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: 64bit builds
James Knott wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: James Knott wrote: John Thompson wrote: On 2008-05-03, Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know when or if OO.o will be released for the IA64. It is already..for Linux anyway. I'd assume for MickySoft as well. I don't think the current 64-bit linux builds are official OOo builds, but rather done by distribution maintainers, e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, etc. In any case, there are no 64-bit builds listed on the official download page: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US Quite so. I've had a 64 bit Linux version for almost 2 years now. I've never seen a 64 bit version on the OpenOffice site. James, openSUSE has had it for sometime.should be to use it, I'd think. Fred I have been using the SUSE version for almost 2 years. Then why aren't you using the 64-bit build? 'Thought you were. 'Been working so many hours my RAM is a tad tired. ;) Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] your product
Joseph wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: Guy Voets wrote: Diagnosis confirmed by the amount of spelling mistakes: a pre-teen. Is yahoo already taken over by mickeysoft? Since you seem to care so much about spelling - The company is named Microsoft! Not that it has anything even remotely to do with the message in the first place. MickeySoft is a more accurate caracaturized comment for MicroSoft. They are far too proud of their program have you looked at the price lately?? WHEW!! Boys and girls, I coined the name MickySoft way back in the good old days of FidoNet - long before most had Net. access and LONG before some of you were even born. I use the name, it fits, and others may use it as needed. End of story. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: New version of most complete free office suite is available
Joseph wrote: Can it be used with Ubuntu. Ubuntu has OpenOffice already installed, but I like to make the best of programs and if there's more that I can use, I think it's good to have it all when one does some of the things I do. I don't find it in the Package Manager or the Add/Remove areas of Ubuntu I'm not defending Ubuntu.Gnome is a waste of GUI development energy, IMHO. I use openSUSE. But, if you do a search with Adept, your package manager, typing in openoffice, you certainly will find it. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] windows server 2008 - thin client install
Michael Adams wrote: Anyone run OO.o on windows server 2008 for thin clients? Any recommendations for this combination, or gotchas? Yep...use Linux and boot MickySoft. Well, you did ask. ;) Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get lassoed is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Paper size woes
Greg Trounson wrote: Dear list, Running Openoffice.org 2.3.0 on Fedora 8 systems. I have an interesting problem that has surfaced on two different machines. I have 3 network printers; an HP Laserjet 5200 (HP LaserJet 5200 PS driver, JetDirect), an HP 3700 (HP Color LaserJet 3700 PS Driver, lpr), and an HP 4350 (HP LaserJet 4350 PS driver, JetDirect). [snip] Greg, first download the updated hplip from sourceforge (hplip-2.8.4.run). UNinstall hplip in Fedora, then install hplip via command line.follow the questions. During the install, you have an option to install a usefull GHI frontend. First, as root, make the file executable. Then, as user use: ./hplip-2.8.4.run to start the install. I'd suggest a custom install. It will ask you for the root password before actually doing the install. I'd also recommend that you choose to use CUPS. Once done, I'd bring up the HP gui frontend and setup the printer(s) as you wish. Hope this helps, Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Why should anyone be surprised?! ;)
Microsoft Office 2007 fails OOXML conformance test http://news.zdnet.com/2424-3515_22-198109.html?tag=nl.e539 -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
NoOp wrote: On 04/20/2008 12:50 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: NoOp wrote: On 04/18/2008 07:37 AM, Urbane Tiger wrote: To those who say OOo should not slavishly do what Unclue Bill does, I would point out that OOo has already done so; times were when Word, Excel, Access and Powerpoint were discrete products, Then MS bundled them into Office, I believe it was then that Star (hence OOo) slavishly followed suite (sic). And they still can install and explore the wonders of an integrated StarOffice suite: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/staroffice/5.2/ SO5.x uses OE as the default email client. Assuming you haven't moved up to Linux, then you an use whatever you like. :) Fred True. But the Windows version uses OE. Drove me nuts trying to get it to use Netscape at the time I was using it. Never did manage to get it properly installed in linux. Well, it may not work as well with it as OE, but the price to pay for using anything from the Evil Empire is simply too high! ;) Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
NoOp wrote: On 04/18/2008 07:37 AM, Urbane Tiger wrote: To those who say OOo should not slavishly do what Unclue Bill does, I would point out that OOo has already done so; times were when Word, Excel, Access and Powerpoint were discrete products, Then MS bundled them into Office, I believe it was then that Star (hence OOo) slavishly followed suite (sic). And they still can install and explore the wonders of an integrated StarOffice suite: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/staroffice/5.2/ SO5.x uses OE as the default email client. Assuming you haven't moved up to Linux, then you an use whatever you like. :) Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Vista Compatibility
Robin Walsh wrote: I have heard good things from several sources, but I have a Dell computer with Windows Vista. I want to down load Open Office if it is compatible. Please advise. Yesit is. Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] OOXML appeal possible, but looks unlikely
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2303tag=nl.e539 -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
Bob Estes wrote: [snip] Further, Thunderbird already has several million users, a vast support network, and a considerable amount of add-in's/extensions (to include Calendar/PIM). Sorry, but I'd not vote for 88366. Neither would I. Nope.would be TOTAL ignorance. Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
web at work wrote: NoOp wrote: On 04/16/2008 03:09 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Many people ask for an email client from OpenOffice.org, and these people have either never heard of Thunderbird or have rejected it for some reason. Thus, I suggest a different email client for OOo. See this OOo bug: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88366 And how long do you figure that it would take David Harris to port to Linux Mac OS X? That is of course once the proprietary third-party core editor issue is resolved... Thunderbird currently supports Windows, Linux Mac OS X, is opensource (with Mozilla restrictions that are already acknowledged and used in OOo - see the OOo THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html), and localised for many languages: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/all.html Further, Thunderbird already has several million users, a vast support network, and a considerable amount of add-in's/extensions (to include Calendar/PIM). Sorry, but I'd not vote for 88366. I wonder why people rejects Thunderbird?? I have installed it on, I do not know how many, computers along with the latest version of OpenOffice.org . Also the people at Mozilla are working on an open source version of Eudora. That was a good email client, when I used it, before I tried the first versions of Thunderbird. Also, I wonder why people want OOo to have an intergrated email client? The volunteer programmers have enough to do making OOo the best Office Suite out there. Let people like the volunteers at Mozilla make the best browsers and email clients. They have years doing it. OOo volunteers have years doing their thing. Each doing the best in their field. Why would people want OOo do what Mozilla does best? That is my opinion, what's yours? T.L. in Elmira NY, USA. ie. web at work How 'bout that..35 mins. from me. ;) Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I wonder why people want OOo to have an intergrated email client? The volunteer programmers have enough to do making OOo the best Office Suite out there. Completely agreed. It is way more important to have properly working Charts, bibliography handling and stuff that is needed in creating documents than one more integrated unrelated functionality. The swiss army knife if good when you need something small that can do a lot of things at an acceptable level. However, a good screwdriver is better than the screwdriver on the swiss army knife and so is a hammer, a saw, a knife, a pair of scissors and so on. I'd rather have a document editor that can not browse the web, read my email and control the washing machine in my laundry but can do everything I can ever dream of doing with a document. I'll be glad to use a mail program to read my mail, a browser to browse the net and the Glaundry package to control my washing machine. I know that it's ancient history, but in the early 70's the UNIX mantra was: a tool should do only one thing but do that one thing well. The idea being that it results in stability, maintainability, reliability. Not the approach that MickySoft takes, but then, they don't produce the best software either. ;) Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Microsoft's OOXML trophy is conditional
Those that giveth can also taketh away By Mark Ballard http://www.theinquirer.net/articles/flameAuthor/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/15/ooxml-trophy-conditional: Tuesday, 15 April 2008, 1:24 PM *THE COVETED* international standard gong which the ISO awarded to Microsoft's OOXML could be retracted if the software giant starts getting mean over patents it has invested in the standard, the organisation said today. Otherwise, the body expects Microsoft's OOXML and the open source ODF document formats to face one another in a direct competition for survival. The outcome will be decided by the market, it said. In the wake of Microsoft's promise http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx to make its OOXML specification freely http://standardslaw.com/wordpress/ available (a move that has been met with scepticism), the International Standards Organisation issued a statement http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease/faqs_isoiec29500.htm today that said how it would hold Microsoft to its promise, with the most severe of penalties for any shirking. The ISO said how its patent policy http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/customview.html?func=llobjId=3770791objAction=browse demanded that licences were awarded on RAND (reasonable and non-discriminatory) terms. If, after publication of the standard, it is determined that licences to all required patents are not so available, one option would be to withdraw the International Standard, it said. If Microsoft doesn't misbehave, the standards body said that the standards would be left to prove themselves: After a period of co-existence, it is basically the market that decides which survives, a spokesman said. The market had already determined through the ISO voting procedures that OOXML would become an official international standard, it said. The statement also said that it had put OOXML into its fast-track for adoption after it was proposed by Ecma International, the commercial custodian of the standard. µ http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/15/ooxml-trophy-conditional -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Steve Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOXML
James Knott wrote: Urbane Tiger wrote: Now that OOXML has been accepted by the ISO as a standard can we expect OOo will adopt it its the preferred format. Please no rants - there are plenty of soapboxes that are very much more visble to the world at large than is this mailing list. This is no rant, but anyone who knows anything about OOXML would never suggest such a thing. From a technical perspective, it's an absolute disaster, the sole purpose of which, is to further MS lockin. Exactly!! You can believe that Ballmer is behind it. Fred -- Q: what's the difference between a teddy bear and Ballmer? A: they both have sawdust for brains but one is smart enough to keep his mouth shut. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] office 2007 format
John Ferguon wrote: Does this version of openoffice support the Microsoft office 2007 format yet? No, but version 3, which should release this Sept. will.import only, no export. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, I don't have to support your Windows anymore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents
web at work wrote: I have tired Oxygen. . . a few months ago and it did not read/write them well. Also when you try to read the resulting word document into the Word 2007 trial, it caused an error. I hope it is fixed now. It would be great if you could have both installed at the same time. I switched back from Oxygen. . . to OpenOffice.org So did I..last night. 'Doesn't play well with openSUSE 10.3 64-bit. They do have some nice ideas, however. By the way, there IS an import filter designed by Novell that IS usable on OO from an article I read. It's not perfect yet, but getting there. It should be good to go by this fall when OO 3.0 is to be released. That filter is supposed to ship WITH OO 3.0. If you have kept up with the MS ISO stuff, you may have read something about MS may not support their own creation of their ISO standard format. The same with the .docx format with other programs. 6000+ pages of format definitions are really hard to comply to. 600+ for the ODF standard is much better. Yes. Further, there's several investigations going on presently, so MickySoft MIGHT NOT get their fast track ISO approval after all. It will be great to get .docx and the x formats to be read/written by Oxygen and OOo. OOo should have that done for version 3.0, but I do not know how well OxygenOffice is doing it currently. If I read between the lines correctly, they will use the filter Novell is working on. Next year, MS may have some other format(s) as their defaults. It was announced that Microsoft 7 OS will be out several years early - NEXT YEAR. So Vista (MS 6) is being replaced next year. Here we go again. . . . .. . No..the time table is BETWEEN 1 and 2 years, so that means in MickySoftSpeak, 1.5 yrs. minimum. ;) It also APPEARS that they will use the 2008 server kernel to build on. Fred -- Fred Molon Labe A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice issues with MS Office on same machine
web at work wrote: [snip] The only thing I see is MS Office 2003 takes a lot of drive space on a 80 gig laptop drive. Oh Well. . . . . long winded . . . . . .but true-ish? TL in New York, USA Where in NY? ;) Fred -- Fred Molon Labe A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents
Larry Sonstein wrote: While I like the OpenOffice concept, its inability to open documents created with Microsoft Office 2007 is causing issues, since a number of people with whom I exchange documents are using the 2007 version of Office (Vista version), and OpenOffice does not appear to recognize the extentions created under this version of Office. Is there any chance that OpenOffice will soon be able to recognize these extentions (.xlsx, .docx, etc.)? Yes..being worked on as we speak. At first, you'll only be able to read a file, not export to it. Those using it have NO advantage in using the new formats, except MickySoft lockin. They can easily save in an older format and eliminate the problem. -- Fred Molon Labe A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] EU investigating OOXML vote
The EU is investigating Microsoft’s handling of the OOXML vote, in which Microsoft’s problem-ridden format was approved by the ISO, CNET reports. In an ongoing investigation, the EU checked in with several European countries where there were allegations of irregularities. http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3745 -- Security in Windows comes from patching a sieve. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Sorry - Service '/home/usr/.local/share/applications/writer.desktop' is malformatted.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I installed OO.org 2.4 on OpenSUSE 10.3. First I installed it with rpm -i *.rpm without un-installing the older OO.org 2.3 with YaST2, wanting to keep both in case of problems with 2.4. The KDE desktop part of 2.4 did not work; the OO.org 2.3 links remained in the menu structure. OK. I then un-installed OO.org 2.3 (only one seen by YaST) with YaST2. Then I tried to install OO.org 2.4 again with rpm -i *.rpm. It reported that OO.org 2.4 was already installed. So I just went into the ..RPMS/desktop-integration directory and deleted all distros except the OpenSUSE openoffice.org-suse-menus-2.4-9268.noarch.rpm. I then just installed rpm -i openoffice.org-suse-menus-2.4-9268.noarch.rpm. Now the KDE menu structure is there for 2.4 Now, when I try to open OO.org documents from Konqueror the message: Sorry - Service '/home/usr/.local/share/applications/writer.desktop' is malformatted. appears. Is there a way to correct this? Yes.rename in Konq. writer.desktop to writer.desktop.org and see if that fixes it. I'd recommend that the next time you use Kpacakgemanager to install the rpm or Yast. And, as of Monday, openSUSE should have a current build of 2.4 for d'l. Fred -- Security in Windows comes from patching a sieve. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice 2.4 on Ubuntu Hardy beta
Pierre wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: Wish I could help you, but I tried Kubuntu 8.4 beta a few days ago and found it useless at this point. I never did get to look at OO on it. Fred, Did you look to the Ubuntu forums for a bit of help? That said and at the risk of going OT, I found the upgrade to Kubuntu 8.04 from 7.10 the easiest yet. It's not that core or base of the OS that is lacking, although the utilities in openSUSE, like Yast, are UNSURPASSED by any other distro, it was the current state that KDE 4.0 is in that made it unusable for me and all my clients. For me, and I suspect some others who have a lot of various systems for a number of business/individuals, the common sense approach is to standardize on one disto. because it's a lot less work to maintain a lot of systems. To change to a different disto. it has to offer a LOT more in stability, security, utilities.something. Since stability and security are equal or about equal with all distros., those aren't issues. openSUSE ships with more complete up-to-date apps. than any other distro., and as I saidtheir utilities are the best. Ubuntu/Kubuntu hasn't anything better. Fred -- Security in Windows comes from patching a sieve. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] TOTAL FAILURE
Senectus . wrote: Interesting that we've had two of these incoherent and obscure e-mails in a short amount of time... I suspect they're just childish abuse attempts And, probably from the same person. Fred -- Security in Windows comes from patching a sieve. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
