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RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-23 Thread Jim Forshey

Anessa started tying when she was about 8, but rode on my shoulders when I
when fly-fishing at a very young age (around 2). (The shoulder fly-fishing
was probably not the smartest thing, but we each enjoyed it.)

 

Every so often Anessa has friends over that she tries to teach how to tie.
It is fun to watch a bunch of 12-15 year old girls try to tie. She is now
planning to start teaching her friends how to Fly-fish.

 

Your granddaughters will enjoy it a lot if you give them a lot of freedom.

 

Jim  

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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gary Webb
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:21 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

 

Jim,  

 

  Great to hear you and your daughter are enjoying tying

flies together.  Thanks for sharing with us.   I'm thinking about getting a
couple of my granddaughters started this winter.

 

 

   Gary Webb

 

 

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Jim Forshey  wrote:

Hi

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at $15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap. I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30, hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.

Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while.

Thank you for the help and great ideas.


Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-23 Thread Allan Fish

Guess I need to buy a pair of pinking shears!  (or sneak my wife's 
out of her sewing gear)

a.

another link on how to make your own fly box: 
http://flytyingnewandold.blogspot.com/search/label/fly%20boxes


I really like how he made this, gonna have to try this out myself.


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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-23 Thread David Masson

kinda neat jim must try one
dave


From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:07 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes


  Hi Jim;

  another link on how to make your own fly box:  
http://flytyingnewandold.blogspot.com/search/label/fly%20boxes

  I really like how he made this, gonna have to try this out myself.

  Wayne

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From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 9:16 PM


I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's 
on for
my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for 
http://www.fullingmill.com/, but
they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
suggestions?

I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I 
tried
some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore it
apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
suggestions.

Thank you 

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-23 Thread Wayne Blake-Hedges

Hi Jim;
 
another link on how to make your own fly box:  
http://flytyingnewandold.blogspot.com/search/label/fly%20boxes
 
I really like how he made this, gonna have to try this out myself.
 
Wayne

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From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 9:16 PM


I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's on for
my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for http://www.fullingmill.com/, but
they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
suggestions?

I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I tried
some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore it
apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
suggestions.

Thank you 

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-22 Thread Joyce Westphal

I'd love to meet you in person. Thanks for the invite. Joyce

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:

>  Joyce,
> When you visit Casper, come have dinner with us and tie one on with me.
>
> DonO
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joyce Westphal 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
>
> Interesting. I keep all hooks in their boxes and separate by putting all
> size 12, 14, 16, salmon 2, 4, 6 etc in a big plastic bag. When I want a 14,
> it is easy to sort the bag and get wet or dry as I need.  These bags are in
>  a giant keeper. Works for me and is lots less work. joyce
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:
>
>> Larry,
>> 'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes.
>> (I'm not complainin'.)
>> There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized
>> shapes, custom bends,
>> that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well
>> organized.
>>
>> I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
>> Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
>> Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
>> Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
>> Then I separate those into sizes.
>> Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank,
>> popper, giant, etc.
>>
>> I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the
>> way, unless he's been...you know.
>>
>> DonO
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Johnson" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
>>
>>
>> I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
>> discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
>> question:
>>
>> How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
>> have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
>> large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
>> them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
>> and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
>> identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
>> wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
>> compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
>> label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
>> I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
>> time as any.
>> Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.
>>
>> Larry Johnson
>> Springville, Utah
>>
>>
>>
>>  "Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim;
>>
>> Here are a couple of hook ideas:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
>>
>>
>>
>> first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
>> as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
>>
>>
>> Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
>> as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.
>>
>> For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
>> from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.
>>
>> Here's one example:
>>
>> http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html
>>
>>
>> Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825
>>
>> Hope this helps;
>>
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jim Forshey 
>> Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
>> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
>> I
>> would have never thought of.
>>
>> To answer some of the questions;
>>
>> "Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a goo

Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-22 Thread Don Ordes

Joyce,
When you visit Casper, come have dinner with us and tie one on with me.

DonO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joyce Westphal 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

  Interesting. I keep all hooks in their boxes and separate by putting all size 
12, 14, 16, salmon 2, 4, 6 etc in a big plastic bag. When I want a 14, it is 
easy to sort the bag and get wet or dry as I need.  These bags are in  a giant 
keeper. Works for me and is lots less work. joyce

  On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:

Larry,
'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes. 
(I'm not complainin'.)
There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized 
shapes, custom bends,
that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well 
organized.

I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
Then I separate those into sizes.
Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank, popper, 
giant, etc.

I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the 
way, unless he's been...you know.

DonO

- Original Message - From: "Larry Johnson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
    Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
question:

How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
time as any.
Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah

  "Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>

Hi Jim;

Here are a couple of hook ideas:

http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.

http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.

For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.

Here's one example:

http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html

Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825

Hope this helps;

    Wayne

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:

From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM

Hi

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she w

Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-22 Thread Joyce Westphal

Interesting. I keep all hooks in their boxes and separate by putting all
size 12, 14, 16, salmon 2, 4, 6 etc in a big plastic bag. When I want a 14,
it is easy to sort the bag and get wet or dry as I need.  These bags are in
 a giant keeper. Works for me and is lots less work. joyce

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:

> Larry,
> 'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes.
> (I'm not complainin'.)
> There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized
> shapes, custom bends,
> that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well
> organized.
>
> I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
> Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
> Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
> Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
> Then I separate those into sizes.
> Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank, popper,
> giant, etc.
>
> I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the
> way, unless he's been...you know.
>
> DonO
>
> - Original Message ----- From: "Larry Johnson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
>
>
> I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
> discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
> question:
>
> How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
> have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
> large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
> them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
> and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
> identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
> wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
> compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
> label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
> I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
> time as any.
> Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.
>
> Larry Johnson
> Springville, Utah
>
>
>
>  "Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>
>>>>
>>> Hi Jim;
>
> Here are a couple of hook ideas:
>
>
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
>
>
>
> first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
> as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.
>
>
>
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
>
>
> Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
> as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.
>
> For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
> from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.
>
> Here's one example:
>
> http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html
>
>
> Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825
>
> Hope this helps;
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Forshey 
> Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM
>
>
> Hi
>
> I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
> I
> would have never thought of.
>
> To answer some of the questions;
>
> "Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
> to
> buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
> thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
> of
> them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
> fun
> and that is what matters.
>
> The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.
>
> I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
> quality
> hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
> each.
>
> In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
> would
> even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
> can
> look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
> only
> did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
> them (I
> think our oldest are from

Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-22 Thread Chuck Alexander

I buy those plastic boxes that have about 15 compartments from Hobby Lobby 
for $1.99 each. And I have three of them, labeled "big hooks", Dry fly 
hooks" and "wet fly hooks". Then, I label each compartment with its 
particular size hooks. Works (cheaply) for me, Chuck

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
question:

How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
time as any.
Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah

"Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>

Hi Jim;

Here are a couple of hook ideas:

http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.

http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.

For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.

Here's one example:
http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html

Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825

Hope this helps;

Wayne

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:

From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM

Hi

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to
use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at
$15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage
boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap.
I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to
reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30,
hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in
some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.

Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by
about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while.

Thank you for the help and great ideas.

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-21 Thread Don Ordes


Larry,
'Problem' is that nowadays the scope of hook styles goes way beyond sizes. 
(I'm not complainin'.)
There are so many manufacturers, styles, metals, colors, specialized shapes, 
custom bends,
that it's just impossible to keep track of them, at least, be well 
organized.


I try to divide salt, fresh, giant fly hooks first.
Then I separate fresh into long streamer, salmon irons, and custom hooks.
Then I separate fresh into general wet or dry.
Then I separate those in hook styles in those catagories.
Then I separate those into sizes.
Same for the saltwater- offshore, inshore, long shank, short shank, popper, 
giant, etc.


I get lost halfway through looking and Buggs reminds me the rest of the way, 
unless he's been...you know.


DonO

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes


I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
question:

How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
time as any.
Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah




"Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>

Hi Jim;

Here are a couple of hook ideas:


http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322



first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.



http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322


Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.

For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.

Here's one example:
http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html


Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825

Hope this helps;


Wayne




--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:


From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM


Hi

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to
use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at
$15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage
boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap.
I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to
reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30,
hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in
some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.

Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by
about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while.

Thank you for the help and great ideas.

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-21 Thread Larry Johnson

I am interjecting a thought here to start a thread in the middle of the
discussion about hooks and hook prices, etc.  Forgive me.  Here is my
question:

How do you-all manage hook storage?  I am convinced that most of you
have at least as many hook styles and sizes as I do.  I really like the
large boxes with 12 or 15 separate compartments.  Spirit River sells
them specifically for hooks...  I take the label from the hook packages
and glue them to the side of each compartment.  It's a good system, and
identifies each style and size correctly.  However, there is a lot of
wasted space in these big boxes unless you buy enough hooks to fill the
compartments.  I have them stacked up and handy near my vise.  Do you
label these boxes for dry fly hooks, wets, streamers, etc.?
I have waited a while to bring this subject up, but this is as good a
time as any.
Thanks for "listening".  I will be waiting for all your good ideas.

Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah

  

>>> "Wayne Blake-Hedges"  9/21/2010 1:29 PM >>>
Hi Jim;
 
Here are a couple of hook ideas:
 
  
http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

 
 
first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for
as little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.
 
 
  
http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

 
Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little
as $7.50 per hundred plus shipping.
 
For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes
from inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.
 
Here's one example:  
http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html

 
Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825 
 
Hope this helps;
 

Wayne
 
 


--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:


From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM


Hi 

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most
I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping
to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some
of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have
fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less
each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we
would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she
can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she
only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at
them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to
use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at
$15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage
boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.  

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap.
I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to
reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30,
hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in
some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.

Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by
about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while. 

Thank you for the help and great ideas.

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com 
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RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-21 Thread Wayne Blake-Hedges

Hi Jim;
 
Here are a couple of hook ideas:
 
   
http://stores.ebay.com/Har-Lee-Rod/MUSTAD-HOOK-SALE-/_i.html?_fsub=1624363018&_sid=15998378&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
 
 
first is Harleerod, selling Mustad classic hook styles, can be had for as 
little as $0.99 per 500 plus shipping.
 
 
   
http://stores.ebay.com/Togens-Fly-Shop/Hooks-/_i.html?_fsub=4996021&_sid=302050183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
 
Second, Togens fly shop has hooks in contemproary styles for as little as $7.50 
per hundred plus shipping.
 
For fly storage, a lot of people have been making thier own fly boxes from 
inexpensive plastic boxes and craft foam.
 
Here's one example:   
http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-flats-fly-box-for-under-five-bucks.html
 
Another:  http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2825
 
Hope this helps;
 

Wayne
 
 
    

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:


From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:33 PM


Hi 

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.

I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at $15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.  

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap. I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30, hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.

Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while. 

Thank you for the help and great ideas.

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-21 Thread Gary Webb

Jim,

  Great to hear you and your daughter are enjoying tying
flies together.  Thanks for sharing with us.   I'm thinking about getting a
couple of my granddaughters started this winter.


   Gary Webb


On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Jim Forshey  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most I
> would have never thought of.
>
> To answer some of the questions;
>
> "Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping to
> buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
> thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some of
> them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have fun
> and that is what matters.
>
> The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.
>
> I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good
> quality
> hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less each.
>
> In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we would
> even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she can
> look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she only
> did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at them (I
> think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to use
> a
> box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
> around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at $15.95
> each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage boxes
> using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.
>
> I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap. I
> also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to reading
> my
> e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30, hopefully
> after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in some
> swaps.
>
> I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.
>
> Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by
> about
> 30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while.
>
> Thank you for the help and great ideas.
>
> Jim Forshey
> The Aquatic Book Shop
> Placerville, California
> www.Seahorses.com 
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RE: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-17 Thread Jim Forshey

Hi 

I would like to thank all of you for your e-mails and suggestions, most I
would have never thought of.

To answer some of the questions;

"Off the Hook Fly Shop" is a great shop with a good owner. I was hoping to
buy maybe 50 to 100 hooks at a time. When we get to tying we could go
thought that many hooks in a day. Some of our tying look good and some of
them look like Andy Warhol was giving us tying direction, but we have fun
and that is what matters.

The backing you suggested I am sure going to look into.
 
I am not looking for low quality hooks, I just want to buy some good quality
hooks in a larger amount, hopefully making them cost a little less each.

In regards to storing, sometimes we make a large amount, more than we would
even use, I like to store the extra away hoping when she get older she can
look back to what she did and what phase she was in, at one time she only
did purple. It currently brings back memories for me when I look at them (I
think our oldest are from 2007, she would have been 10 then). I use to use a
box by Scientific Anglers, I use to find them on sale now and then for
around $10 to $20. Now they are running $39.95 plus 6 inserts at $15.95
each, That is way to much for me. I am looking to make some storage boxes
using some 1 x 12 x 12 slide cases.  

I always look for the swaps, I do not know how I missed the hook-swap. I
also try and watch for the fly swap, but by the time I getting to reading my
e-mails it always look like it is full. I am retiring on 11/30, hopefully
after that I can read my e-mails on a timely basis and can join in some
swaps.

I never been to a Sportsman's warehouse, I will need to find one.
 
Thank you for the suggestions of the caring boxes, a friend dropped by about
30 tin boxes the local store gave him, so I am set there for a while. 

Thank you for the help and great ideas.

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-17 Thread Reuven Segal

 you could use EPP foam (get it from a hobby store (for building radio- 
controlled aircraft. So movers use it for packing expensive chandeliers 
and the likes. It is very flexible, yet durable.


R

On 9/16/2010 11:16 AM, Jim Forshey wrote:

I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's on for
my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for http://www.fullingmill.com/, but
they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
suggestions?

I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I tried
some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore it
apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
suggestions.

Thank you

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes- and a question...

2010-09-16 Thread Don Ordes

Jim,
1.  There was just a hook-swap that you could have joined and gotten a 
long-term supply of your fav. hooks very cheap.

2.  Depending on whether you are just storing flies or want to use the fly box 
for fishing, there are lots of choices.  For boxes that I just store flies in, 
I use thin foam on one side and a flat magnet sheet on the other.  When you 
visit Sportsman's warehouse, pick up a bunch of their business cards- thy are 
printed on this magent sheet material, and in a clear box, they advertise for 
them.  They don't have a ton of stick, but then you are just sorting and 
storing flies.

For fishing boxes that I am repeatedly removing and replacing flies in, I like 
the stick-on ripple-foam pads.  I can cut to fit, make strips, do just a 
portion coupled with stronger magnet sheets than can be gotten in craft stores. 
 For most use, tho, I like the small Cliff-boxes- 'Day-trippers' I think 
they're called.  They hold a variety of flies on foam strips and also have the 
magnet for midges.  They also open one-handed, a nice touch.

Who knows when they first came out with the aluminum fly boxes that had the 
fine springs covered by a metal plate for inserting hooks?

DonO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes


Hi Jim;

I don't think I quite understand what your looking for, inexpensive 
hooks???

Again for "storing" do you mean storing the hooks prior to use for 
tying or storage for  displaying flies??

Wayne

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:


  From: Jim Forshey 
  Subject: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 9:16 PM


  I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's 
on for
  my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for 
http://www.fullingmill.com/, but
  they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
  suggestions?

  I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I 
tried
  some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore 
it
  apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
  suggestions.

  Thank you 

  Jim Forshey
  The Aquatic Book Shop
  Placerville, California
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-16 Thread Wayne Blake-Hedges

Hi Jim;
 
I don't think I quite understand what your looking for, inexpensive hooks???
 
Again for "storing" do you mean storing the hooks prior to use for tying or 
storage for  displaying flies??
 
Wayne

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Jim Forshey  wrote:


From: Jim Forshey 
Subject: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 9:16 PM


I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's on for
my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for http://www.fullingmill.com/, but
they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
suggestions?

I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I tried
some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore it
apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
suggestions.

Thank you 

Jim Forshey
The Aquatic Book Shop
Placerville, California
www.Seahorses.com
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Re: [VFB] Finding hooks and backing for Fly boxes

2010-09-16 Thread Wes Wada

Hello Jim,

Your best bet to locate hooks would be to visit the fly fishing shop in your
town.

Off the Hook Fly Shop
1353 Broadway
Placerville, CA 95667-5901
(530) 626-5041

They would be able to get you the proper hooks for the types of flies you
are interested in tying.

As far as backing for homemade flyboxes...
1.  the rubbery nubby material used in RVs to keep items from sliding around
in shelves
2.  high density polyester batting sold in rolls at fabric shops -- can be
purchased in 1/2" thicknesses.
3.  various types of foam similar to that used in exercise mats

Sure other VFB members can suggest additional fly box backing materials for
homemade boxes.


Good luck on your search,

Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon





On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Jim Forshey  wrote:

> I have been wondering where I could find hooks to use for tying fly's on
> for
> my daughter and I. I saw the suggestion for http://www.fullingmill.com/,
> but
> they are based out of UK, do you order them from the UK site any other
> suggestions?
>
> I would also like build some 1/2 x 12 x 12 boxes for storing them, I tried
> some cork from Michaels for backing, but when I removed a fly it tore it
> apart (Styrofoam also had the same results.) I was hoping for some
> suggestions.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jim Forshey
> The Aquatic Book Shop
> Placerville, California
> www.Seahorses.com
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