Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Markus Sandy]

guess again, i think you Brits actually get the credit here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuit


Paul Reynoldson wrote:

>... I have read some real
>scare mongering stories here from folks who live in the country that
>invented "the sue me and i'll sue you state".
>


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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[wtrainbow]

One of the main problems is that artists often don't own the copyright of their 
recordings. 
(in the case of music) .  Their record comapany does.  The artist may or may 
not retain 
publishing rights but in most cases the "recording" is owned by the record 
company. 

That's why you don't see many artist's suing anyone...

Shawn Fanning (the Napster guy) has a new company called Snocap to facilitate 
licensing 
and copyright management.  It looks interesting...

http://www.snocap.com/

Will
http://www.tiny-tube.com




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jonny goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I hear what you're saying, Andrew. Often, I have the same
> feeling---"If only they didn't use copyrighted music." 
> 
> My personal preference is to use my friends' music, create my own, or
> use CC or public domain stuff, largely because I don't want the
> controversy, and I have confidence in making something good without it.  
> 
> I think we're in agreement that using copyrighted stuff without
> permission does not necessarily detract from the quality of the media
> that gets made.
> In some cases, the resulting work is very powerful, like Zadi's Greeen
> Day/Katrina mashup.
> 
> So I feel like we should do something to change the laws, so people
> can use copyrighted material without the controversy, at least in some
> contexts. Maybe by finding an easy way to pay the artist whose work it
> is, or by being allowed to use it for non-commercial purposes, or
> something. I don't know the exact method, but I really don't like the
> current situation. 
> 
> As long as technology makes it easy to copy and sample, people will do
> it. And regulating technology to make it hard to copy and sample
> hamstrings technological progress, so I  hope that does not happen
> (it's already happening and it sucks). So let's change the laws so
> huge chunks of the population aren't made into criminals, and so
> entire families of art (collage, audio sampling, video remixing) can
> come out of the shadows.
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
>  wrote:
> >
> > Beyond Fair Use:
> > 
> > I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that the  
> > use of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publishers  
> > tends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately  
> > slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.
> > 
> > When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, I  
> > usually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think it  
> > a flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content  
> > at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to the  
> > content. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, the  
> > flaw would be gone.
> > 
> > Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though  
> > with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fair  
> > use, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guess  
> > feeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, no  
> > matter how great some content might otherwise be.
> > 
> > On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
> > > culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> > > presents.
> > > .
> > > I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
> > > group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
> > > support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> > > Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this  
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
> > > Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> > > legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
> > > could be changed for the better.
> > >
> > > Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
> > > happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> > > legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
> > > local library.
> > >
> > > Time to change the system.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" 
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Paul,
> > >>
> > >> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
> > > likely never
> > >> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
> > > you ever
> > >> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear  
> > >> the
> > >> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> > > that's
> > >> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its  
> > >> very
> > >> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
> > > to pick
> > >> up for distribution due to issues like this.

Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[WWWhatsup]

>


apropos comic book:
http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/comics/


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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

I hear what you're saying, Andrew. Often, I have the same
feeling---"If only they didn't use copyrighted music." 

My personal preference is to use my friends' music, create my own, or
use CC or public domain stuff, largely because I don't want the
controversy, and I have confidence in making something good without it.  

I think we're in agreement that using copyrighted stuff without
permission does not necessarily detract from the quality of the media
that gets made.
In some cases, the resulting work is very powerful, like Zadi's Greeen
Day/Katrina mashup.

So I feel like we should do something to change the laws, so people
can use copyrighted material without the controversy, at least in some
contexts. Maybe by finding an easy way to pay the artist whose work it
is, or by being allowed to use it for non-commercial purposes, or
something. I don't know the exact method, but I really don't like the
current situation. 

As long as technology makes it easy to copy and sample, people will do
it. And regulating technology to make it hard to copy and sample
hamstrings technological progress, so I  hope that does not happen
(it's already happening and it sucks). So let's change the laws so
huge chunks of the population aren't made into criminals, and so
entire families of art (collage, audio sampling, video remixing) can
come out of the shadows.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Beyond Fair Use:
> 
> I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that the  
> use of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publishers  
> tends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately  
> slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.
> 
> When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, I  
> usually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think it  
> a flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content  
> at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to the  
> content. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, the  
> flaw would be gone.
> 
> Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though  
> with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fair  
> use, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guess  
> feeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, no  
> matter how great some content might otherwise be.
> 
> On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
> > culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> > presents.
> > .
> > I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
> > group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
> > support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> > Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this  
> > stuff.
> >
> > If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
> > Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> > legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
> > could be changed for the better.
> >
> > Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
> > happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> > legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
> > local library.
> >
> > Time to change the system.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
> > likely never
> >> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
> > you ever
> >> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear  
> >> the
> >> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> > that's
> >> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its  
> >> very
> >> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
> > to pick
> >> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole  
> >> industries
> >> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't
> > take these
> >> things lightly.
> >>
> >> It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
> > Obviously its
> >> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're
> >> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and
> > someone's
> >> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
> >>
> >> -Josh
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
> > I don't
> >>> have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a
> > hobby and puts
> >>> the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets
> > face it a
> >>> select

Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Pete Prodoehl]

jonny goldstein wrote:

> If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
> Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
> could be changed for the better.

One of the coolest things about Lessig's book is that he released it 
under a Creative Commons license, which allowed other to use it, so a 
bunch of folks got together and recorded themselves reading chapters, 
and a freely available audio version was quickly made:

   http://akma.disseminary.org/archives/001253.html

Damn that's cool!

Pete

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[trine berry]

www.locarecords.comanother label (UK based) giving away their music for free...  i use it all the time...On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:52, Paul Knight wrote: Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etcI listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging, using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of money for my works.I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted protected data thru copying and pirating.If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have in my own CD library.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sage words there, >  > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC   > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including   > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of   > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the   > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we? > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last   > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,   > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall. >  > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the   > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we   > are still pretty small. >  >   From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :    An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are pending.  ==  Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI ( http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?     -- Enric  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Anne Walk]

I know that, in the art world, artists are allowed to use copyrighted materials in their work - at least, they have since I last did. In Canada, the right of the artist to use pop culture iconography as critique has held. Could be changing soon though, the way things are going.
I find it interesting that videobloggers are categorized under the same rules as filmmakers and not artists when it comes to copyright enforcement. how does one tell the difference when it comes to videoblogs?
One thing that may present a problem is when a videographer uses a song, for example, as a soundtrack and it is not a critique of any kind and does not add to the video's narrative but serves only as musical accompaniment. That doesn't constitute fair use. That just constitutes use.
I have seen videos that have used "illegal" content (images, audio) that I would fight to protect from being shut down because the content serves an important function within the context of the video's narrative.
It's a murky issue.On 3/18/06, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Beyond Fair Use:I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that theuse of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publisherstends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately
slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, Iusually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think ita flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content
at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to thecontent. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, theflaw would be gone.Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though
with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fairuse, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guessfeeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, nomatter how great some content might otherwise be.
On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:>>> I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the> culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> presents.> .> I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest> group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or> support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this> stuff.>> If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by> Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it> could be changed for the better.>> Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually> happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your> local library.>> Time to change the system. --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Paul, You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will> likely never
>> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if> you ever>> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear>> the>> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> that's>> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its>> very>> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved> to pick>> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole
>> industries>> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't> take these>> things lightly. It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
> Obviously its>> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're>> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and> someone's>> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
 -Josh>> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
> I don't>>> have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a> hobby and puts>>> the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets> face it a>>> selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
> the free>>> video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some> occasions put>>> on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only> generates 1000>>> views, from this site.
>>> I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the>>> free>>> video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a>>> source of>>> copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or
>>> British>>> versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.>> I await with humor.>> Paul Knight>>>
>> On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David How

Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[andrew michael baron]

Beyond Fair Use:

I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that the  
use of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publishers  
tends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately  
slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.

When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, I  
usually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think it  
a flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content  
at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to the  
content. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, the  
flaw would be gone.

Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though  
with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fair  
use, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guess  
feeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, no  
matter how great some content might otherwise be.

On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:

>
>
> I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
> culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> presents.
> .
> I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
> group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
> support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this  
> stuff.
>
> If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
> Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
> could be changed for the better.
>
> Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
> happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
> local library.
>
> Time to change the system.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
> likely never
>> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
> you ever
>> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear  
>> the
>> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> that's
>> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its  
>> very
>> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
> to pick
>> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole  
>> industries
>> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't
> take these
>> things lightly.
>>
>> It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
> Obviously its
>> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're
>> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and
> someone's
>> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
> I don't
>>> have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a
> hobby and puts
>>> the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets
> face it a
>>> selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
> the free
>>> video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some
> occasions put
>>> on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only
> generates 1000
>>> views, from this site.
>>> I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the  
>>> free
>>> video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a  
>>> source of
>>> copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or  
>>> British
>>> versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
>>>
>>> I await with humor.
>>>
>>> Paul Knight
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
>>>
>>>  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
>>> internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
>>> station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
>>> Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
>>> occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
>>>
>>> First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
>>>
>>> The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
>>>
>>> David
>>> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
>>>
>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:

 "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)

 
 i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
 straight" approach
 

 it appears that their idea of education is more like what most  
 folks
 call a threat

 mainly they tell stories a

[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

Yes, media companies rarely go after people for using their
copyrighted material, so most people are safe, most of the time.
However there are huge harms created by the current legal structures.

 Take the after school program I run with dozens of teenagers. We're
videoblogging. If those kids were at home making their own stuff, they
would probably use copyrighted stuff w/no problem, but since they  are
doing it from a big after school program, from a school, within the
NYC school system, it doesn't work that way. An individual can get
away with things on her own that won't work if she is working from
within an institution, because institutions don't want to be on the
end of massive legal penalties. So I can't let the kids remix the
media they eat, drink, and breath unless it's under very narrow "fair
use" conditions (and even that's a crapshoot. The only way to
determine fair use is to litigate it, and that's very expensive). That
is lame

So you can flout the laws, from your own home, but students can't. 

This is ridiculous. It's time for the vast majority of media users 
and makers 
(everyone but the big media companies) to expend some energy to
influence the government to create a more reasonable legal situation
so we can participate in our culture, legally, and fully.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Reynoldson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> wrote:
> >
> > Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> > groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> > consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> > copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> > I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found
nothing  
> > but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> > in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> > hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> > using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> > thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> > money for my works.
> > I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> > make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> > hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> > protected data thru copying and pirating.
> > 
> > If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law
on  
> > copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> > in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> > 
> > By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> > network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> > in my own CD library.
> > 
> > Paul Knight
> > 
> > On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sage words there,
> > > >
> > > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to
the BBC
> > > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music
including
> > > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the
choice of
> > > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one
with the
> > > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt
whether, the
> > > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > > community we
> > > > are still pretty small.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > >
> > > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found
guilty of
> > > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that
their
> > > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of
this
> > > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight
instead
> > > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > > pending.
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
> > > http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
presents.
.
I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this stuff.

If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
could be changed for the better.

Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
local library. 

Time to change the system.







--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
likely never
> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
you ever
> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear the
> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
that's
> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its very
> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
to pick
> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole industries
> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't
take these
> things lightly.
> 
> It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
Obviously its
> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're
> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and
someone's
> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
I don't
> > have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a
hobby and puts
> > the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets
face it a
> > selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
the free
> > video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some
occasions put
> > on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only
generates 1000
> > views, from this site.
> > I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free
> > video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of
> > copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British
> > versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
> >
> > I await with humor.
> >
> > Paul Knight
> >
> >
> > On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
> >
> >  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
> > internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
> > station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
> > Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
> > occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
> >
> > First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
> >
> > The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
> >
> > David
> > http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> > >
> > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> > >
> > > 
> > > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
> > > straight" approach
> > > 
> > >
> > > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks
> > > call a threat
> > >
> > > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
> > your
> > > butt
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks for the url steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Garfield wrote:
> > >
> > > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> > > >
> > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday,
March 13
> > > >
> > > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/
> > > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> > > >or
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> > > >
> > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music
> > > >industries square off over the new realities of digital
distribution
> > > >over private spaces online.
> > > >
> > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of
America Inc
> > > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> > > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> > > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> > > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> > > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,
> > > >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > 

Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Joshua Kinberg]

Paul,You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will likely never receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if you ever wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear the rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but that's the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its very typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved to pick up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole industries built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't take these things lightly.
It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come. Obviously its impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and someone's job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
-JoshOn 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster, I don't have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a hobby and puts the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets face it a selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise, the free video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some occasions put on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only generates 1000 views, from this site.
I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
I await with humor.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
 internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations. Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
  First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.  The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.  David 
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording) >  >  > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared  > straight" approach
 >  >  > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks  > call a threat >  > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
 your  > butt >  >  > thanks for the url steve >  >  >  >  > Steve Garfield wrote: >  > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
 > > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13 > > > >
http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/  > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3 > >or > >
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg > > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music   > >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution   > >over private spaces online.
 > > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
 > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc > > > > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote: > > > >   > >
 > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,   > >>because as a community we are still pretty small. > >>     > >> > > > >--Steve
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing  
> but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> money for my works.
> I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> protected data thru copying and pirating.
> 
> If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on  
> copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> 
> By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> in my own CD library.
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sage words there,
> > >
> > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC
> > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including
> > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of
> > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
> > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > >
> > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the
> > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > community we
> > > are still pretty small.
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> >
> > 
> >
> > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
> > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
> > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
> > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
> > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > pending.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
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> >
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Ok I am now gonna have my two penneth's worth, I have read some real
scare mongering stories here from folks who live in the country that
invented "the sue me and i'll sue you state".
I am sick and tired of reading this crap.
Firstly shall we look at bands who are trying to hit the big time who
havent go record deals. They play the club circuitBritish working
mens clubs I know I was part of that scene. The punters did not want
to hear your own material, they just wanted to hear the standards, the
hits of the day. I dont remember our agent or our manager seeking the
permission off Northern songs or any other publishing company for that
matter. If it is that much of a problem here most of the up and coming
British bands and singers would not be up and coming any more due to
legal costs.. i may I say that they are getting paid for entertaining
people using other folks material.The club is licensed for live music
but are the bands allowed to cover material that is not
theirs..naughty , naughty...The club circuit is strong and healthy and
is a breeding ground for the next Westlife, Michael Jackson etc. All
those with any talent that appeared on X factor and pop idol trod the
same path.
if the bmi were that interested they would be raiding these clubs ..In
the same vain there is the local youth club or the wedding party where
music is played without being licensed to play

Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster, I don't have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a hobby and puts the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets face it a selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise, the free video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some occasions put on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only generates 1000 views, from this site.I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.I await with humor.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations. Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.  First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.  The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.  David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording) >  >  > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared  > straight" approach >  >  > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks  > call a threat >  > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate your  > butt >  >  > thanks for the url steve >  >  >  >  > Steve Garfield wrote: >  > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi. > > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13 > > > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/  > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3 > >or > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg > > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music   > >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution   > >over private spaces online. > > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc > > > > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote: > > > >   > > > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,   > >>because as a community we are still pretty small. > >>     > >> > > > >--Steve > >   > > >  >  > --  >  > markus sandy >  > http://apperceptions.org > http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com >SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Markus Sandy]

jonny goldstein wrote:

>The more into vlogging I get, the more convinced I am that this stuff
>is so important. I just read Lessig's "Free Culture," JD's "Darknet,"
>checked out the EFF site and other resources. 
>
same here, i'll bet many of us are following similar paths

>I don't know how we get a more reasonable IP situation going, but I
>think panels like this are great. At least we are having a discussion. 
>
>  
>

this felt to me more like a rehash of what is getting to be a rather old 
argument

i agree that there some interesting 'statements' being made

but it does not seem like there is really much 'discussion' going on in 
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[Enric]

Broadband video is a multibillion dollar industry that Hollywood,
networks and record companies are in the process of getting into. 
Unless their copyright policies change, it's just a matter of time
before they start prosecuting those that infringe their copyright and
trademark usage.  Recommending people do that puts those that follow
such advice in potential jeopardy.  It's fine if you want to do that,
but don't recommend others take the liability.  Particularly when
there are talented musicians on sites like http://magnatune.com/
willing to have their music available for just attribution to
podcasters and videolbloggers.  They can use the exposure, regardless
of how small, rather pop hits known by millions.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing  
> but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> money for my works.
> I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> protected data thru copying and pirating.
> 
> If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on  
> copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> 
> By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> in my own CD library.
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sage words there,
> > >
> > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC
> > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including
> > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of
> > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
> > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > >
> > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the
> > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > community we
> > > are still pretty small.
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> >
> > 
> >
> > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
> > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
> > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
> > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
> > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > pending.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
> > http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etcI listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging, using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of money for my works.I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted protected data thru copying and pirating.If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have in my own CD library.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sage words there, >  > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC   > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including   > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of   > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the   > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we? > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last   > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,   > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall. >  > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the   > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we   > are still pretty small. >  >   From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :    An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are pending.  ==  Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI ( http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?     -- Enric  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Brett Gaylor]

However,
Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC for their
website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including 'The Great
Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of whether
to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
Not certain, but they probably pay a blanket license for all the stuff that plays on the beeb.  

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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Sage words there,
> 
> However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC  
> for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including  
> 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of  
> whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the  
> music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last  
> year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,  
> that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> 
> Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the  
> RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we  
> are still pretty small.
> 
> 

>From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :



An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are pending.

==

Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?

   -- Enric





 
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

The more into vlogging I get, the more convinced I am that this stuff
is so important. I just read Lessig's "Free Culture," JD's "Darknet,"
checked out the EFF site and other resources. 

I understand that the media giants are scared, and I think they should
be. They are basically huge teams of lawyers, accountants, Marketers,
and MBA's who hire temps (directors, actors, writers, etc.) to make
projects. They use the legal system as their point of leverage. but
technology is making that system ineffective. I think I read that at
this point around 60 million people have illegally downloaded music.
That's not a system that's working.

I spend a good bit of my time chasing my students around telling them
not to use copyrighted music w/the videos they post on our website.

What I tell them is that, this is the law now, and if you don't like
it, work to change it. But when they go home to vlog from  there, I'm
sure most will do what they want.

I don't know how we get a more reasonable IP situation going, but I
think panels like this are great. At least we are having a discussion. 

Thanks for putting this up JD. 


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
> internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
> station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
> Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
> occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
> 
> First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
> 
> The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
> 
> David
> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> >
> > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> > 
> > 
> > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared 
> > straight" approach
> > 
> > 
> > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks 
> > call a threat
> > 
> > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
> your 
> > butt
> > 
> > 
> > thanks for the url steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Garfield wrote:
> > 
> > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> > >
> > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday,
March 13
> > >
> > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
> > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> > >or
> > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> > >
> > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
> > >industries square off over the new realities of digital
distribution  
> > >over private spaces online.
> > >
> > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of
America Inc
> > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> > >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >--Steve
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > markus sandy
> > 
> > http://apperceptions.org
> > http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
> >
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[David Howell]

If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.

First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.

The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> 
> 
> i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared 
> straight" approach
> 
> 
> it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks 
> call a threat
> 
> mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
your 
> butt
> 
> 
> thanks for the url steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Garfield wrote:
> 
> >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> >
> >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13
> >
> >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
> >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> >or
> >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> >
> >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
> >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
> >over private spaces online.
> >
> >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
> >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> >
> >
> >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--Steve
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> markus sandy
> 
> http://apperceptions.org
> http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
>







 
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Markus Sandy]

"wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)


i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
straight" approach


it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks
call a threat

mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
your butt


thanks for the url steve




Steve Garfield wrote:

  If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.

The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13

http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
or
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg

Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
over private spaces online.

Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc


On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:

  
  
I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
because as a community we are still pretty small.

  
  
--Steve
  



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Steve Garfield]

If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.

The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13

http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
or
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg

Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
over private spaces online.

Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc


On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:

> I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> because as a community we are still pretty small.

--Steve
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

Sage words there,However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day, that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we are still pretty small.Okay if you want to sell a video or make that world breaking shortfilm that will win a prize at festival or even down the pub if you know the landlord, fair enough, don't use Copyrighted music.  If you are just playing and showing on line as some of us without industry contacts are concerned, I wonder if the law is at all bothered or more bothered about catching real criminals like murderers and sex offenders to sue us playing with our toys, and showing that video to a few and I mean a few people on line.  My most viewed video is my SEX one which has no copyrighted music, loads of free sound effects and three jpeg pictures, this has to date received about 12000 views,  Everything else falls within the 100's,  And considering how many people that is in relation to the whole of the web, well you could probably fit all those people on this full stop.Stop scare-mongering, it creates fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 01:52, Enric wrote:  It is not a good recommendation that people use copyrighted material in their videos.  The recommendation won't look good if anyone gets sued by the RIAA or MPAA.    -- Enric  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Sirs and Madams >  > Thanks ever so much for the comments on the "Paul And Paul Get To The   > Bottom Of It All Copyright Issues" Video I posted last night to stop   > people being in the slightest bit worried about putting the odd bit   > of music on a vlog, I have had so many good and welcoming comments   > it's untrue.  As this was the first video to collaborate the talents   > of Paul Reynoldson and Myself together and a mile stone in British   > Vlogging (I don't think two British Vloggers have done this before, I   > could be wrong). >  >   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Reynoldson]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Dear Sirs and Madams
> 
> Thanks ever so much for the comments on the "Paul And Paul Get To The  
> Bottom Of It All Copyright Issues" Video I posted last night to stop  
> people being in the slightest bit worried about putting the odd bit  
> of music on a vlog, I have had so many good and welcoming comments  
> it's untrue.  As this was the first video to collaborate the talents  
> of Paul Reynoldson and Myself together and a mile stone in British  
> Vlogging (I don't think two British Vloggers have done this before, I  
> could be wrong).
> 
> Thanks also to Randy Mann, for doing such a cracking job of remixing  
> it with local talent from his locality, to display to the world that  
> the record companies of the world are not interested in real talent  
> these days, it just has to look good and sound mediocre, leaving the  
> real talent unheard.
> 
> I therefore suggest to everyone they know, to find a street performer  
> or local band willing to get on the net give them the exposure they  
> need.  I have already done one  http://blip.tv/file/get/ 
> Pjkproductions-TwoHeadsPartOne254.mov there should be more out there,  
> just look and ask and get them noticed.
> 
> Thank You Very Much Again,
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> 
> 
> Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog
> 
> http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com
> http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com
> 
> It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly.
>


Can I also express my thanks to everybody who supported us, i'd like
to thank my agent, the producer, the director, oh the tea lady, the
costume department, this means so much to me (wipes a tear from his
eye) maybe Paul and I will work together again on another project.
All of you beautiful peope out there
WE LOVE YOU ALL.

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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Enric]

It is not a good recommendation that people use copyrighted material
in their videos.  The recommendation won't look good if anyone gets
sued by the RIAA or MPAA.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Dear Sirs and Madams
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> Thanks ever so much for the comments on the "Paul And Paul Get To The  
> Bottom Of It All Copyright Issues" Video I posted last night to stop  
> people being in the slightest bit worried about putting the odd bit  
> of music on a vlog, I have had so many good and welcoming comments  
> it's untrue.  As this was the first video to collaborate the talents  
> of Paul Reynoldson and Myself together and a mile stone in British  
> Vlogging (I don't think two British Vloggers have done this before, I  
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