Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Deirdre Straughan]

Looks as if the news is good (so far) on WIPO:Webcasting Gets a Reprieve
		International treaty provisions that would prevent the retransmission of media over the Web have been dropped -- for now.
		By Wade Roush
		
		
			If
proposed rules preventing the digital retransmission of TV, radio, or
cable broadcasts are adopted as part of an international treaty on
broadcasting, it could have repercussions throughout the nascent world
of Web broadcasting. For instance, it might become illegal for
musicians to offer recordings of their performances on their own
websites, or for bloggers to post video and audio files -- even if the
content is in the public domain. But last week countries
opposed to these provisions -- which would have given broadcasters and
cable TV companies broad new rights to control information on the
Internet -- managed to strip them from the treaty, at least temporarily.During a five-day meeting in Geneva of the U.N. World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
Standing Committee on Copyright and Related Rights, an unlikely
coalition of delegates from developing nations and technology
organizations such as Intel and the U.S. Telecom Association voiced
strong objections to treaty provisions covering webcasting and
"simulcasting" over broadcast or cable networks and computer networks.
By the end of the meeting, on May 5, the committee, which had intended
to finish a draft treaty that could be agreed upon by the WIPO General
Assembly in 2007, decided to send the assembly only the less
controversial sections of the treaty. Debate over the Internet
provisions was deferred until this fall."The good news is that webcasting is out of the treaty," says Robin Gross, executive director of IP Justice,
a civil liberties organization based in San Francisco, which sent a
representative to the meeting. "But it's a little too soon to
celebrate," he adds, since one article still in the main draft of the
treaty gives broadcasters the exclusive right to authorize
retransmission of their broadcasts by any means, including over
computer networks.More on http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16783&ch=biztech-- 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,It's already been done.  (Although it's not ubiquitous yet.)This page has a link to a bunch of them...http://freenetworks.org/
Someday these we'll hopefully become one network of networks.See yaOn 5/7/06, wazman_au <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:This is interesting. I've thought about this ... effectively daisy-
chaining WiFi to create an alternative internet. We all download andrun little applications that make our WiFi cards seek out and link tothe nearest WiFi networks running the same little applications ...with gateways to the original net where needed to bridge the gap.
I have no idea how it could be done and I'm sure it would be asecurity nightmare!Wazwww.crashtestkitchen.com--- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>> > you know the other day when thinking about net neutrality and> > savetheinternet.com and what not ...
> >> > I started thinking .. what would we do if they messed up theinternet> this> > badly?  I started to envision a global darknet with city-widewireless> mesh> > networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the
backbone all> > together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really gotexcited> about> > that) ...> >> > Maybe we should really start drafting up plans. :-P>
> Yeah, but we'd never videoblog again.  Things like that will neverget> bandwidth that'll be worth anything.>> --> Rhett.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[David Meade]

On 5/7/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But let's not kidourselves that a neutral net will save the world. I never said net neutrality would save the world, I said it would limit our means to continue to try and speak out and educate that world.
I never said it would sif american schools or teach high schoolers where India is on a map ... I never said it would increase 'world interest' ... I said without it we loose one of our last 'free' publication mediums with wich to try and fix those problems.  Can the net do that ... maybe.  Today? No.  Tomorrow?  Maybe ... ONLY if we get net neutrality on the books.
Yes I listed some worst case night mare scenerios .. are they likely ... I dont know .. the simple fact is that they are possible without net neutrality on the books.It is in everyones best interest to get net neutrality on the books ... no matter where in the world they are.
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[wazman_au]

This is interesting. I've thought about this ... effectively daisy-
chaining WiFi to create an alternative internet. We all download and 
run little applications that make our WiFi cards seek out and link to 
the nearest WiFi networks running the same little applications ... 
with gateways to the original net where needed to bridge the gap.

I have no idea how it could be done and I'm sure it would be a 
security nightmare!

Waz
www.crashtestkitchen.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > you know the other day when thinking about net neutrality and
> > savetheinternet.com and what not ...
> > 
> > I started thinking .. what would we do if they messed up the 
internet 
> this
> > badly?  I started to envision a global darknet with city-wide 
wireless 
> mesh
> > networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the 
backbone all
> > together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really got 
excited 
> about
> > that) ...
> > 
> > Maybe we should really start drafting up plans. :-P
> 
> Yeah, but we'd never videoblog again.  Things like that will never 
get 
> bandwidth that'll be worth anything.
> 
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> Rhett.
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Andy Carvin]

CNN did a story about this late last year. The State Department
doesn't release official figures, and some critics have suggested this
is because they don't keep accurate records and it's a national
security problem. Meanwhile, public surveys have ranged from anywhere
from five percent to more than 30 percent, though the experts
interviewed felt the truth was that around 20 percent have them, but
only 15 percent have used them (ie, gone to a country that requires a
passport.) Considering I still meet people that have never left their
own state let alone the country, I'm not surprised

andy


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 5/6/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I just cant let this one go ... you've hit a nerve ... not that is
has any
> > relevance what so ever to the issue. really ...
> >
> > Firstly, your statement that 15% of Americans had passports is a bit
> > dated? According to survey last year the number is more like 34%
(http://www.canadatourism.com/ctx/files/announcements/Impact_of_the_WHTI_eng_web.pdf
> > )
> >
> 
> Thank you - I am encouraged to know that the percentage of Americans
with
> passports is increasing.
> 
> 
> >  Implying that Americans are globally disinterested ignorants just
because
> > the average American cant afford to cross the pond ... is ... well
ignorant
> > ... if not insulting.
> >
> 
> Americans have for most of the last century had more opportunity and
money
> to travel than most of the rest of the world, though you're probably
right
> that they don't have as much now as they once did.
> 
> --
> best regards,
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> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Deirdre Straughan]

For the record, I get very angry with America's shortcomings precisely
because it IS, in some sense, "my" country. I was born there, I
maintain citizenship and pay taxes. But I've lived in many other
places.

I know firsthand that there is ignorance and poverty all over the
world, including America. I can understand shocking, horrific poverty
in India, Bangladesh, China, Africa... But America is the wealthiest
country in the world, and has been for a long time - WHAT IS AMERICA's
EXCUSE?

I think the Internet is important and worth protecting and can help
with a lot of things. But, before you can have effective Internet use,
you've got to have basic literacy. And a proliferation of information
sources begs an ability to judge among them, which requires a much
higher level of education. So I fear that the Internet spreads light
and wisdom mostly among those who need it least, those who are already
educated enough to find information and use it wisely.

There are, thankfully, a few counter-examples. But not too many. So,
yes, let's protect the Internet by all means. But let's not kid
ourselves that a neutral net will save the world. We've had a
widespread neutral Internet (in the US) for over 10 years now, and
George Bush still managed to get elected twice.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Deirdre Straughan]

On 5/6/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I just cant let this one go ... you've hit a nerve ... not that is has any relevance what so ever to the issue. really ...

Firstly, your statement that 15% of Americans had passports is a bit
dated? According to survey last year the number is more like 34%
(http://www.canadatourism.com/ctx/files/announcements/Impact_of_the_WHTI_eng_web.pdf
)Thank you - I am encouraged to know that the percentage of Americans with passports is increasing. 
 Implying that Americans are globally disinterested ignorants just
because the average American cant afford to cross the pond ... is ...
well ignorant ... if not insulting.Americans have for most of the last century had more opportunity and money to travel than most of the rest of the world, though you're probably right that they don't have as much now as they once did. 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[David Meade]

On 5/6/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
FYI: Deirdre is an American. :o)
That doesnt make her numbers on passport holders - or implication that
the number is caused by disinterest in the world any more valid ...
clearly by the study you pointed to it simply makes her a less reliable
source. :-P
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Andreas Haugstrup]

On Sat, 06 May 2006 22:32:35 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> And 3rdly, what Americans DO or do NOT know ... should not be judged by
> tidbits edited together for the greatest effect by some TV show trying to
> sell a point.

For the record: Actual studies have been made (see 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060502/ap_on_re_us/where_s_louisiana;_ylt=AqF0kxejyjVkiid9WVyQvZ0sQE4F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--  
> ). The TV segment is simply more amusing.

FYI: Deirdre is an American. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[David Meade]

I just cant let this one go ... you've hit a nerve ... not that is has any relevance what so ever to the issue. really ...

Firstly, your statement that 15% of Americans had passports is a bit
dated? According to survey last year the number is more like 34%
(http://www.canadatourism.com/ctx/files/announcements/Impact_of_the_WHTI_eng_web.pdf
)

2ndly:
  even booking 3months in advance, a quick search tells me that a
tip to London (which is relatively close) will take me 13 hours to get
there and cost almost 2,000 dollars.  
 Given the serious loss of time required for your average American
to get somewhere overseas they cant just hop out for a weekend in
another country (like many Europeans could).  
 They certainly couldn't do it considering its going to cost them 2,000 for the day.  
 
Most American employers don't send the majority of their employees overseas.
 The expense is significant for most Americans ... planning a
larger trip helps, but in the end it just raises the cost.  The number of
people not having passports here has to do with the number of people who can
afford to travel overseas ... not the number of people who care about
the world around them.

 Elsewhere in the world people CAN just hop on a train and spend
the day or the weekend in another country - no wonder more of them have
a passport at the ready than Americans.

 Implying that Americans are globally disinterested ignorants just
because the average American cant afford to cross the pond ... is ...
well ignorant ... if not insulting.

 Passport statistics have no relevance to Americans interest in
the rest of the world.  Most of us are quite interested in
international affairs, and how American policy is playing out in the
great big world.

 Leaving such irrelevant statistics behind, the fact remains that
Americans are no more universally ignorant than citizens of any other
country where the leaders lie to them and he media cant be trusted to
stand up for them.  Blame Americans for that if you want, but I wouldn't call that fair.

And 3rdly, what Americans DO or do NOT know ... should not be judged by
tidbits edited together for the greatest effect by some TV show trying
to sell a point.

 The fact remains that the Internet has and is helping a great
deal to keep issues alive in the American Public that otherwise would
have died out ... and that not protecting Net Neutrality WILL
negatively impact Americans ability to remain 'in the know' to the
extent that they are now (which I believe you may have misjudged).

- DaveOn 5/6/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
On 5/6/06, Deirdre Straughan <




[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:








On 5/3/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





NB: I agree
with the principle of net neutrality, I just don't see it as a panacea
to the world's problems, and it can be hard to get people to listen to
your arguments if you fill them with hysterical, overblown points. 
You mean overblown points like the 'fact' that because many Americans
don't have passports they're ignorant?  Or that because some
camera crew managed to film a few idiots they are representative of The
American People?

It really irks me when people who distrust the Mainstream media's
ability to report the facts suddenly latch on to scenes like Jay Leno's
'jay walking' as a benchmark for what Americans do and don't know about
the world.

For the record I've traveled all over the world ... but America isn't
like Europe where another country is an hours drive.  It's a huge
land mass with distinctly different cultures within it's own borders
... you shouldn't be so quick to count the fact that not alot of them
manage to afford the time or expense to travel over seas as some black
mark against them.

All that being said ... this idea that Net Neutrality is an American
problem is pretty dismissive of the issue.  If the net breaks down
here into a handful of ISPs seeing who can charge the most to the
others clients it will damage the whole of the Internet.  And it
will cause issues on networks overseas.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[David Meade]

On 5/6/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 5/3/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
NB: I agree
with the principle of net neutrality, I just don't see it as a panacea
to the world's problems, and it can be hard to get people to listen to
your arguments if you fill them with hysterical, overblown points. 
You mean overblown points like the 'fact' that because many Americans
don't have passports they're ignorant?  Or that because some
camera crew managed to film a few idiots they are representative of The
American People?

It really irks me when people who distrust the Mainstream media's
ability to report the facts suddenly latch on to scenes like Jay Leno's
'jay walking' as a benchmark for what Americans do and don't know about
the world.

For the record I've traveled all over the world ... but America isn't
like Europe where another country is an hours drive.  It's a huge
land mass with distinctly different cultures within it's own borders
... you shouldn't be so quick to count the fact that not alot of them
manage to afford the time or expense to travel over seas as some black
mark against them.

All that being said ... this idea that Net Neutrality is an American
problem is pretty dismissive of the issue.  If the net breaks down
here into a handful of ISPs seeing who can charge the most to the
others clients it will damage the whole of the Internet.  And it
will cause issues on networks overseas.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Deirdre Straughan]

On 5/3/06, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I mean lets talk nightmare scenerio for a sec:  What if political ideas contrary to the (theoretical) US administration
were suddenly never heard by the masses because huge amounts of money from lobbyists
allows for those ideas to get squashed?  God knows the mainstream media fails to cover all sorts of very important global issues here.  How ignorant of world affairs
would US citizens be? You mean as opposed to their near-total ignorance right now?  Fewer  than 15% of Americans even have a passport, which they would need to travel outside the north American continent. You've probably all seen the videoclip that's been circulating, apparently from an Australian TV show, asking Americans on the street which countries they consider a danger now that Iraq is "taken care of". Some of them named places like Italy (one of Bush's few allies in Iraq!), and none of them realized that the map they were being shown had been manipulated - 
e.g., Australia labelled as North Korea. I'm sure the interviewers did find a few intelligent people whom they left out for effect, but it would have been harder to find that many people in Europe ignorant of basic geography.
I guess all this is down to bad education in America, and the Internet has so far done nothing to change that. So I don't see that net neutrality is going to make much difference.NB: I agree with the principle of net neutrality, I just don't see it as a panacea to the world's problems, and it can be hard to get people to listen to your arguments if you fill them with hysterical, overblown points. 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Jan McLaughlin]

Well, when the U.S. effectively shuts down the Internet, in China they 
will still have it; you just won't be able to say or search everything 
you want. Is something better than nothing?

China? I've made plans for the day when China takes over the U.S.  Got 
me a job lined up as a shoe shiner for this young Chinese guy.

Jan

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> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are
>> closing
>> the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if 
>> it
>> would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
>
> Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only people in 
> the
> US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected. It's 
> not
> the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the 
> US.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,I can't find where I read this (or else I'd credit the author), but when trying to talk to these kind of people, e-mails don't work.  They're too easily delete.(Snail) mail works better.  But what's best is to call them.
When calling them, be polite but be firm about your concerns.  Get the names of everyone you talk to and record it and the date when you talked to them.  Once you've expressed your concerns, ask the person for an "answer".  If the can't give you an "answer", then ask to talk to someone who can.  If no one can give you an "answer", then ask them to call you back when they have an answer.
See yaOn 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I heartfully agree, Josh.  Unfortunately, this is no longer on anational level, so it may be more difficult to have our voices heard.I have, however, found the site with the contact details of allDelegations/Missions to the organization at the following link:
http://www.wipo.int/members/en/Click on the name of your country, then click on 'Contact Information'and then scroll down to find the e-mail address of your country's
representation on this matter.As a convenience, I have included the e-mail addresses of Canada andthe US so we can all send e-mails to voice our opinions on the matter:United States: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Canada: [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you do send e-mails... remember to say that you "disapprove of theinclusion of Webcasting and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty" (currently
under debate in the UN's World Intellectual Property Organization) asit does not adhere to freedom of speech.Casey out.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, "Josh Leo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> my bad, wrong thread... but we would still be able to send emails ibelieve> either way...>>> On 5/3/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all deal> > with. not just the u.s.> >> > we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country
(canada).> > and companies have long ago stopped being associated with any onecountry.> >> >> > On 5/3/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >
> > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not likethey are> > > > closing
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Devlon]

Nice, I may have to steal that for my own letter. Thanks.On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Here is the full text of the e-mail I sent, in case any of you feel
like copying/editing it to send to their own national representative:

---

Dear Sir/Madam,

I wish to inform you that I disapprove of the inclusion of Webcasting
and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty currently under debate in the UN's
World Intellectual Property Organization as it does not adhere to
individual rights and freedom of speech.  As a Canadian, I truly hope
that you share my view and vote accordingly to ensure that citizen's
journalism and the voices of the people can continue to be heard and seen.

Accept, Sir/Madam, the assurance of my highest consideration.

Sincerely,
Casey Erin McKinnon U.E.
Montreal, Quebec



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Casey McKinnon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>
> I heartfully agree, Josh.  Unfortunately, this is no longer on a
> national level, so it may be more difficult to have our voices heard.
> 
> I have, however, found the site with the contact details of all
> Delegations/Missions to the organization at the following link:
> 
> http://www.wipo.int/members/en/
> 
> Click on the name of your country, then click on 'Contact Information'
> and then scroll down to find the e-mail address of your country's
> representation on this matter.  
> 
> As a convenience, I have included the e-mail addresses of Canada and
> the US so we can all send e-mails to voice our opinions on the matter:
> 
> United States: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Canada: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If you do send e-mails... remember to say that you "disapprove of the
> inclusion of Webcasting and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty" (currently
> under debate in the UN's World Intellectual Property Organization) as
> it does not adhere to freedom of speech.
> 
> Casey out.
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo"  wrote:
> >
> > my bad, wrong thread... but we would still be able to send emails i
> believe
> > either way...
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/3/06, Anne Walk  wrote:
> > >
> > > hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all
deal
> > > with. not just the u.s.
> > >
> > > we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country
> (canada).
> > > and companies have long ago stopped being associated with any one
> country.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/3/06, Andreas Haugstrup  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like
> they are
> > > > > closing
> > > > > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother...
> even if
> > > > it
> > > > > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
> > > >
> > > > Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only
> people in
> > > > the
> > > > US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.
> It's
> > > > not
> > > > the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet
> inside the
> > > > US.
> > > > :o)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> > > > http://www.solitude.dk/ >
> > > > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > http://loadedpun.com
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Casey McKinnon]

Thanks, David... I work for a UN organization, so I know the
appropriate lingo (I type letters on behalf of my boss, a Japanese
Diplomat, on a daily basis!)

Casey


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Good letter Casey!
> 
> ... so many battles ... so little time. :-)
> 
> On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Here is the full text of the e-mail I sent, in case any of you feel
> > like copying/editing it to send to their own national representative:
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > I wish to inform you that I disapprove of the inclusion of Webcasting
> > and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty currently under debate in the UN's
> > World Intellectual Property Organization as it does not adhere to
> > individual rights and freedom of speech.  As a Canadian, I truly hope
> > that you share my view and vote accordingly to ensure that citizen's
> > journalism and the voices of the people can continue to be heard
and seen.
> >
> > Accept, Sir/Madam, the assurance of my highest consideration.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Casey Erin McKinnon U.E.
> > Montreal, Quebec
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Casey McKinnon" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I heartfully agree, Josh.  Unfortunately, this is no longer on a
> > > national level, so it may be more difficult to have our voices
heard.
> > >
> > > I have, however, found the site with the contact details of all
> > > Delegations/Missions to the organization at the following link:
> > >
> > > http://www.wipo.int/members/en/
> > >
> > > Click on the name of your country, then click on 'Contact
Information'
> > > and then scroll down to find the e-mail address of your country's
> > > representation on this matter.
> > >
> > > As a convenience, I have included the e-mail addresses of Canada and
> > > the US so we can all send e-mails to voice our opinions on the
matter:
> > >
> > > United States: Copyright-policy@
> > > Canada: cipo.contact@
> > >
> > > If you do send e-mails... remember to say that you "disapprove
of the
> > > inclusion of Webcasting and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty" (currently
> > > under debate in the UN's World Intellectual Property
Organization) as
> > > it does not adhere to freedom of speech.
> > >
> > > Casey out.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > my bad, wrong thread... but we would still be able to send
emails i
> > > believe
> > > > either way...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/3/06, Anne Walk  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all
> > deal
> > > > > with. not just the u.s.
> > > > >
> > > > > we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country
> > > (canada).
> > > > > and companies have long ago stopped being associated with
any one
> > > country.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/3/06, Andreas Haugstrup  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like
> > > they are
> > > > > > > closing
> > > > > > > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother...
> > > even if
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only
> > > people in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be
affected.
> > > It's
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet
> > > inside the
> > > > > > US.
> > > > > > :o)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> > > > > > http://www.solitude.dk/ >
> > > > > > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://loadedpun.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Andreas Haugstrup]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 22:05:03 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Sure the Net Neutrality issue is in the US congress right now Andreas,  
> but
> you are fooling yourself if you think that wont effect your experience.   
> Any
> network traffic that traverses the backbone of a US company would be
> influenced.

As someone else just pointed out I messed up the threads. Sorry about  
that. As far as I know the WIPO treaty needs to be ratrified by individual  
governments, but that might be a moot point since one signatory is likely  
to refuse trade with non-signatories...

Anyway. I'm just saying the rest of the world will adapt. It'll hurt  
independent publishers most, since I might have a harder time accessing  
e.g. videoblogs hosted in the US. Most people will quickly learn to type  
in bbc.co.uk and amazon.co.uk instead of cnn.com and amazon.com. Hell, we  
might even see cnn.dk open up again!

> What if AT&T decides foreign browsers need to pay an tariff to access its
> bandwidth?

Then US videobloggers will have to move their videos to a different  
country if they want to be seen by non-Americans and US based companies  
who are not ISPs will loose money.

> Most of the providers are, or to some level want to be, a media outlet as
> well.  (TimeWaner, Comcast, ... The Bells want in on media).  Why  
> wouldn't
> each limit access to ituens so as to make their media outlet more
> attractive.

Because it's a bad business strategy. AOL has tried the walled garden  
approach to web content and failed miserably. I don't see what has changed.

> How ignorant of world affairs
> would US citizens be?  How long before US foreign policy gets a blank  
> check
> with out so much as the general populace even knowing the issues?  That
> hurts more than just Americans too.

I will refrain from the obvious low blows. :o)

> How long before ISPs in other countries - seeing the insain profits and
> control that US ISPs would gain from this - follow suit?

And that's the real danger. Thankfully living in pinko communist Europe  
includes more regulation and a generally saner approach to this very  
specific case. Only the future will tell if that makes a real difference.  
A small country like Denmark is dependent on net neutrality (at least  
within the EU) so it makes for a really bad economic decision to mess with  
neutrality. And there is no ISP lobby to speak of which also helps. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[David Meade]

We may still be able to send email ... but if that's all we can do without paying a premium charge or per KB or something ... then its not like a comet hitting the Earth its like a comet hitting the Internet ... it'll be dead and gone.
Sure the Net Neutrality issue is in the US congress right now Andreas, but you are fooling yourself if you think that wont effect your experience.  Any network traffic that traverses the backbone of a US company would be influenced.
What if AT&T decides foreign browsers need to pay an tariff to access its bandwidth?  Most of the providers are, or to some level want to be, a media outlet as well.  (TimeWaner, Comcast, ... The Bells want in on media).  Why wouldn't each limit access to ituens so as to make their media outlet more attractive.  
Without Net Neutrality the net becomes just a bunch of large ISPs paying tolls for that traffic it chooses to allow through .. .and that would hurt the entire global Internet community.
I mean lets talk nightmare scenerio for a sec:  What if political ideas contrary to the (theoretical) US administration
were suddenly never heard by the masses because huge amounts of money from lobbyists
allows for those ideas to get squashed?  God knows the mainstream media fails to cover all sorts of very important global issues here.  How ignorant of world affairs
would US citizens be?  How long before US foreign policy gets a blank
check with out so much as the general populace even knowing the issues?  That hurts more than just Americans too.How long before ISPs in other countries - seeing the insain profits and control that US ISPs would gain from this - follow suit?
( And yeah Rhett my mesh network idea wouldn't have the bandwidth (at least at first) ... but it would only have to last long enough for the revolt to get underway :-P )- Dave
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Casey McKinnon]

Here is the full text of the e-mail I sent, in case any of you feel
like copying/editing it to send to their own national representative:

---

Dear Sir/Madam,

I wish to inform you that I disapprove of the inclusion of Webcasting
and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty currently under debate in the UN's
World Intellectual Property Organization as it does not adhere to
individual rights and freedom of speech.  As a Canadian, I truly hope
that you share my view and vote accordingly to ensure that citizen's
journalism and the voices of the people can continue to be heard and seen.

Accept, Sir/Madam, the assurance of my highest consideration.

Sincerely,
Casey Erin McKinnon U.E.
Montreal, Quebec



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Casey McKinnon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I heartfully agree, Josh.  Unfortunately, this is no longer on a
> national level, so it may be more difficult to have our voices heard.
> 
> I have, however, found the site with the contact details of all
> Delegations/Missions to the organization at the following link:
> 
> http://www.wipo.int/members/en/
> 
> Click on the name of your country, then click on 'Contact Information'
> and then scroll down to find the e-mail address of your country's
> representation on this matter.  
> 
> As a convenience, I have included the e-mail addresses of Canada and
> the US so we can all send e-mails to voice our opinions on the matter:
> 
> United States: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Canada: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If you do send e-mails... remember to say that you "disapprove of the
> inclusion of Webcasting and DRM in the Broadcast Treaty" (currently
> under debate in the UN's World Intellectual Property Organization) as
> it does not adhere to freedom of speech.
> 
> Casey out.
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo"  wrote:
> >
> > my bad, wrong thread... but we would still be able to send emails i
> believe
> > either way...
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/3/06, Anne Walk  wrote:
> > >
> > > hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all
deal
> > > with. not just the u.s.
> > >
> > > we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country
> (canada).
> > > and companies have long ago stopped being associated with any one
> country.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/3/06, Andreas Haugstrup  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like
> they are
> > > > > closing
> > > > > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother...
> even if
> > > > it
> > > > > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
> > > >
> > > > Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only
> people in
> > > > the
> > > > US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.
> It's
> > > > not
> > > > the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet
> inside the
> > > > US.
> > > > :o)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> > > > http://www.solitude.dk/ >
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> > > >
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Casey McKinnon]

I heartfully agree, Josh.  Unfortunately, this is no longer on a
national level, so it may be more difficult to have our voices heard.

I have, however, found the site with the contact details of all
Delegations/Missions to the organization at the following link:

http://www.wipo.int/members/en/

Click on the name of your country, then click on 'Contact Information'
and then scroll down to find the e-mail address of your country's
representation on this matter.  

As a convenience, I have included the e-mail addresses of Canada and
the US so we can all send e-mails to voice our opinions on the matter:

United States: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canada: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you do send e-mails... remember to say that you "disapprove of the
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oops. i was thinking about net neutrality as well. of course, it's all one and same as far as agenda goes.On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:No Andreas, I'm afraid you and Josh Leo are confusing this with the
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http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/f84onJosh, if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about a UN petition,please link me so I can sign as well.  I've already signed the Senate
petition.Casey--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are> > closing> > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... evenif it> > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
>> Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only peoplein the> US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.It's not> the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside
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i like this line from the boingboing article you posted, casey:
The forest of hundreds of startups gets burned to the ground, and only
a few old trees like Yahoo and Microsoft are left standing.it's funny because i just received an alert in my mail that microsoft is in negotiations to buy a huge chuck of yahoo.
On 5/3/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
oops. i was thinking about net neutrality as well. of course, it's all one and same as far as agenda goes.
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No Andreas, I'm afraid you and Josh Leo are confusing this with the
OTHER threat going on right now.  This thread is with regards to theUnited Nations (NOT the US Senate).Link to article (again) for those of you who haven't read it yet:

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/f84onJosh, if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about a UN petition,
please link me so I can sign as well.  I've already signed the Senate
petition.Casey--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are> > closing> > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... evenif it> > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
>> Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only peoplein the> US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.It's not> the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside
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my bad, wrong thread... but we would still be able to send emails i believe either way...On 5/3/06, Anne Walk <
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hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all deal with. not just the u.s.we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country (canada). and companies have long ago stopped being associated with any one country. 
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are
> closing> the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it
> would feature tons of ads and crap like that.Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only people in theUS (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected. It's notthe end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the US.
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[videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Casey McKinnon]

No Andreas, I'm afraid you and Josh Leo are confusing this with the
OTHER threat going on right now.  This thread is with regards to the
United Nations (NOT the US Senate).  

Link to article (again) for those of you who haven't read it yet:

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.html
http://tinyurl.com/f84on

Josh, if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about a UN petition,
please link me so I can sign as well.  I've already signed the Senate
petition.

Casey


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
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>
> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are  
> > closing
> > the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even
if it
> > would feature tons of ads and crap like that.
> 
> Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only people
in the  
> US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.
It's not  
> the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside
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hi andreas. that's not exactly true. it is a problem we will all deal with. not just the u.s.we are already fighting similar ideas sneaking into our country (canada). and companies have long ago stopped being associated with any one country. 
On 5/3/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are> closing> the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it
> would feature tons of ads and crap like that.Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only people in theUS (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected. It's notthe end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the US.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN

[Anne Walk]

you're right, josh.it's not like a comet hitting the earth. it's like a muzzle.citizen journalists would be silenced. no more inconvenient news would leak. musicians who are making their own music videos and record labels via the net would no longer have that option. it would be the major labels or nothing. filmmakers who are using the net to produce compelling content that hollywood would never touch would have no way to distribute their stuff to a broad audience. small businesses would no longer be able to compete with multinational conglomerates. there would be no new tech products like we're seeing an explosion of with 
web2.0 companies. innovation would die. power would be in the hands of only a few large entities that would dictate what can and cannot be transmitted on their service (it's not like you can go somewhere else). non-profits would shut down. only politicians with large financial backing would be able to get their messages out. competition in all categories would be wiped out. when that happens, the smaller economies that rely on those smaller companies would also be wiped out.
who relies on the net? we all do, whether we think we do or not. even if you never go online, you are reliant on it because all organizations are hooked into it. your bank. your hospital. the stores you shop at. even your church.
as for email, you realize that there is a push going on at the same time for e-stamps for email, don't you josh? companies that don't pay up cannot be assured that their email will reach it's final destination. they are considering extending this "service" to all email.
and, remember, we are talking about at&t as one of these players who would control how information moves across the net and who it gets to. weren't they just outed for helping with the wiretapping campaign?
there are ramifications to this that are far reaching - far beyond the ability to post a few fun vids for friends and family. this would effectively change the economic and political map.it's a big deal.
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Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are closing the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it would feature tons of ads and crap like that.I signed the petition, i am against this bill/whatever, but it's not like it is a comet hitting the earth
On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <
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I realized the same thing this morning, David.  The sad thing is thatif the Internet ever crashed, I would lose contact with every singleone of you and I would have to use telephone operators to try to findyour phone numbers.  I consider some of my fellow videobloggers to be
really good friends, but I have never traded phone numbers with them.If the Internet ever crashed, it would feel like the stock marketcrash... we would all plunge into a great depression.Casey

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wireless mesh> networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the backbone all> together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really got excitedabout> that) ...>> Maybe we should really start drafting up plans. :-P
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are  
> closing
> the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it
> would feature tons of ads and crap like that.

Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only people in the  
US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected. It's not  
the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the US.  
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[Josh Leo]

Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are closing the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it would feature tons of ads and crap like that.I signed the petition, i am against this bill/whatever, but it's not like it is a comet hitting the earth
On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I realized the same thing this morning, David.  The sad thing is thatif the Internet ever crashed, I would lose contact with every singleone of you and I would have to use telephone operators to try to findyour phone numbers.  I consider some of my fellow videobloggers to be
really good friends, but I have never traded phone numbers with them.If the Internet ever crashed, it would feel like the stock marketcrash... we would all plunge into a great depression.Casey
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> you know the other day when thinking about net neutrality and
> savetheinternet.com and what not ...>> I started thinking .. what would we do if they messed up theinternet this> badly?  I started to envision a global darknet with city-wide
wireless mesh> networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the backbone all> together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really got excitedabout> that) ...>> Maybe we should really start drafting up plans. :-P
>> --> http://www.DavidMeade.com> feed:  http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed>
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[Casey McKinnon]

I realized the same thing this morning, David.  The sad thing is that
if the Internet ever crashed, I would lose contact with every single
one of you and I would have to use telephone operators to try to find
your phone numbers.  I consider some of my fellow videobloggers to be
really good friends, but I have never traded phone numbers with them.

If the Internet ever crashed, it would feel like the stock market
crash... we would all plunge into a great depression.

Casey


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> you know the other day when thinking about net neutrality and
> savetheinternet.com and what not ...
> 
> I started thinking .. what would we do if they messed up the
internet this
> badly?  I started to envision a global darknet with city-wide
wireless mesh
> networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the backbone all
> together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really got excited
about
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[Heath]

Who could have thunk, that a college kid sitting in his dorm, that 
had an idea of how to share music, would have let to this?  Because 
in reality that is what has happened, the movie and entertainment 
industry seeing what has happened to the music industry (which is 
still debatable, crappy CD's don't sell is not our problemm but that 
is another rant for another day which has been done before) are 
putting all their money and effort to say "not us".  

The funny part is that all they are probably doing is just killing 
themselves far better than any one of us could...But this just 
all sucks!!!  Somewhere, someone, somehow has to say enough..I 
just hope it's not to late..


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> > Desperate Desperate Sad Pathetic World, aint it?
> >
> > This year is going to be mad funny!
> >
> > Hey, maybe Bush can turn those approval ratings over and kill 
this. Right!
> >
> > Where the hell is Al Gore?  Inventor of the Internet... Might as 
well be
> > the Savior too, no?
> > Oh that's right, he owns a network now and is cozy with the suits.
> >
> > Whatever.
> >
> > sull
> >
> > On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Forget "Save the Internet", have you seen what filth the UN is 
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> > to pass?
> >
> > http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.html
> >
> > If this passes, the UN has lost my complete respect... and we 
will all
> > become outlaws.
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