[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "petertheman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was in the laundrymat, and I had just filled up my video ipod with a
> bunch of movies (plug: the beta mefeedia makes it real easy), so I was
> watching a video of the party at Jakob's place in nyc a while back at
> vloggercon... but what I wanted to say was: it was a strangely
> emotional experience watcing that in that laundrymat at 129th Street
> in NYC. And all the other people were watching the shows on the
> televisions that were hanging from the ceilings. I really think we're
> on to something with this video blogging. Watching a video from my own
> past was.. weird. Intense in a way that commercial TV can never be..
> 
> Peter
> --
> http://mefeedia.com
>

Definately; can't compete.

I know have little patience for TV shows I feel are over the top or
posing.  I require what I see as good writing and acting.  The only
show I try to catch is "Desperate Housewives".

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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[havilahland33]

TV sucks.  I've heard it nicknamed as 'time vaporizer'.  Go vid blogs!

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "petertheman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I was in the laundrymat, and I had just filled up my video ipod with a
> > bunch of movies (plug: the beta mefeedia makes it real easy), so I was
> > watching a video of the party at Jakob's place in nyc a while back at
> > vloggercon... but what I wanted to say was: it was a strangely
> > emotional experience watcing that in that laundrymat at 129th Street
> > in NYC. And all the other people were watching the shows on the
> > televisions that were hanging from the ceilings. I really think we're
> > on to something with this video blogging. Watching a video from my own
> > past was.. weird. Intense in a way that commercial TV can never be..
> > 
> > Peter
> > --
> > http://mefeedia.com
> >
> 
> Definately; can't compete.
> 
> I know have little patience for TV shows I feel are over the top or
> posing.  I require what I see as good writing and acting.  The only
> show I try to catch is "Desperate Housewives".
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[ronenwastaken]

Most 'serious' newspapers and magazines have replaced serious research
with turnover time and cost-efficiency.

The extent to which they are careful to research is usually only the
extent to which the legal department considers that nesecerry* to
avoid a lawsuit.

re: personal blogs, though --- is people's issue with the idea
itsself, or when you say 'personal' do you just mean 'boring'?  ie,
some of the bluetights.net and clerks2.com vlogs are very 'intimate'
and not about much -- yet, their content is fine and works  Even
though it's just about one person's experience -- because it's
entertaining.

I have to go read upthread discussions about this

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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> 
> > Truer for whom?
> 
> Ever read a news article on a subject that you're intimately familiar  
> with?  Maybe it was about a concert you were at, a political function  
> you organized, or a videoblogging community you're a member of?
> 
> Do they ever not make you squirm?
>

The accuracy of reporting is based on the veractiy of the individual
reporting, not the method of reporting whether through a newspaper,
blog, radio news, podcast, television news, vlog.  Those are methods
and technologies, they don't determine the truth of the information
provided.

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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:22:23 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > The accuracy of reporting is based on the veractiy of the individual
> > reporting, not the method of reporting whether through a newspaper,
> > blog, radio news, podcast, television news, vlog.  Those are methods
> > and technologies, they don't determine the truth of the information
> > provided.
> 
> That's about fifteen times more eloquent than I can ever hope to be.
I'll  
> remind myself to not e--mail until after you've replied. :o)
> 
> - Andreas
> -- 
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>

Thanks, sometimes I succeed in communicating :)

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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> great timing:
> http://revlog.blogspot.com/2005/11/daily-show-on-gay-marriage.html
> 
> 
> 

The Daily Show and http://supr.c.ilio.us/ I often find the most honest
presentation of current issues whether in culture or tech respectively.

   ;),

   Enric

> 
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:55:44 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> >wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
> >>usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
> >>for their info
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why don't speaking to someone else constitute research? Everyone
has an  
> >agenda, both the blogger and the think tank.
> >Which do you think is researched better: The average blog entry or
the  
> >average newspaper story?
> >
> >- Andreas
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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> 
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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Bill Streeter]

I would agree on a very general level. It's true that technically the
medium itself does not determine a stories truthfulness. But some of
those media are layered with a bureaucratic infrastructure that makes
the truth harder to get out in some cases. Sometimes what is not
reported is as important as what is reported. For instance, there is
such a thing as a lie by omission and it happens all the time in
traditional media. And more often than not it's not the reporters
fault but the system within they work that makes the lie possible.

Bill Streeter
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> > 
> > > Truer for whom?
> > 
> > Ever read a news article on a subject that you're intimately
familiar  
> > with?  Maybe it was about a concert you were at, a political
function  
> > you organized, or a videoblogging community you're a member of?
> > 
> > Do they ever not make you squirm?
> >
> 
> The accuracy of reporting is based on the veractiy of the individual
> reporting, not the method of reporting whether through a newspaper,
> blog, radio news, podcast, television news, vlog.  Those are methods
> and technologies, they don't determine the truth of the information
> provided.
> 
>   -- Enric
>






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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Bill Streeter]

You are so right Markus. Time is the new bandwidth restriction. Or the
old one, or the one that we all can always count on. The think about
my PVR (generic TIVO) is that I record all this stuff that never gets
watched. There is one night a week that my wife and I really sit down
and watch TV and it's kinda like our thing we do together (well you
know besides that other thing we do together.) And that's Sunday
night, we watch one of the great HBO dramas or comedies. 

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think that the real issue is the clock and the fact that there are 
> only so many viewing hours in a day.  For me, there is now more
media to 
> sift through on the web than I can handle and so there is almost no
time 
> left for TV (or text blogs for that matter).  I really only watch TV to 
> be social (image that!).  I'm sure there are some good things on, but I 
> don't have time for them.
> 
> Also, there are so many bad or negative things on (mainly ads and what 
> passes for "news") that I actually enjoy not seeing them.  I imagine 
> they will find their way to the vlogosphere in due time (some
already have).
> 
> My wife just got an iPod.  Now I send her media.  More viewing minutes 
> that have to come from somewhere (for both her and me). 
> 
> So now I am locked in a head-to-head battle with CSI for her
attention.  
> It was like that when I was watching too. ;)
> 
> Now if Tivo came with a few extra hours for each day... ah hell, i'd 
> just watch more vlogs :)
> 
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> Jay dedman wrote:
> 
> >>>TV sucks.  I've heard it nicknamed as 'time vaporizer'.  Go vid
blogs!
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Is it fair to use such a blanket statement? There is plenty of good
> >>stuff on television, most of it is not on the major networks. (Though
> >>Arrested Development nearly made me laugh my *ass* off last night.)
> >>Maybe blogs suck, or videoblogs suck, or... you get the idea, it's all
> >>really personal opinion.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >yeah, we're all learning the balance.
> >blogging wont bring down traditional media.
> >but blogging(text, audio, and video) does offer a greater and greater
> >alternative.
> >
> >ive had a clear realization during the current coverage fo the
> >Fitzgerald indictments:
> >blogging lets the people help tell the story.
> >why?
> >because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
> >usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
> >for their info
> >now blogs are now becoming a reliable resource...so we start seeing
> >blogs affecting how traditonal media reports.
> >Blogging has done a GREAT job documenting in detail how the current
> >adminstration has led the US into war. and now you see this info
> >popping up on the traditonal outlets.
> >http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Runupto.mov
> >bloggers of all sides can go back and forth clarifying the facts.
> >
> >as far as entertainment, sometimes I want to watch a Hollywwod
movie/TV show.
> >sometimes i want to watch independent or homemade video.
> >the point is: now i have a choice when there was none.
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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> 
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[videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Enric]

Here's an interesting video shot on blogging and MSM (Main Stream
Media) at the Chicago School of Journalism with a panel after the
showing of "Good Luck and Good Night":

http://www.thenationaldebate.com/video/GNGL_Q&A_HiRes.mov
or 
http://tinyurl.com/dxycf

Here's the article source:

http://www.thenationaldebate.com/blog/archives/2005/10/the_last_thing.html
or 
http://tinyurl.com/8mqb6

Here's JD Lasica on blogging principals, "Some principles for the new
era":

http://www.participate.net/node/371

   -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Khoo, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think we have all come to a realization that journalism as we know it
> can and is biased and generalized. The difference between traditional
> journalism and blogging is the perspective. We expect bloggers to
> express their views and to some extent, expect their views to be biased
> towards themselves. However we expect traditional journalism to be
> unbiased and precise, which is quite impossible in itself as humans are
> not able to be completely without biased. 
> 
> I personally prefer to read different perspectives on the same subject
> and to come to my own conclusion (ie different blogger perspectives on
> the current events in France) than to hear my six o'clock news summarize
> the events and underlying reasons for me as I'm sure it would have some
> kind of spin on it. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Joan - www.rantingsofjoan.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:20:02 -0500
>From: Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: watching personal videos
> 
> > Exactly, and the same for the average blog entry. Jay was setting
> things
> > up to mean 'journalism == lazy, unresearched stories; blogs == The
> > Truth(tm)'. The generalization is very far from what's going on. Some
> > journalistic stories are not fact-checked, but they are in the
> minority.
> > Some blog entries are great investigative journalism, but they are in
> the
> > minority.
> 
> okay..funny thing was...i was trying to say there is a balance between
> the truth in blogs and the truth in tradiotional media.
> think of the last time a traditional news outlet covered something you
> knew intimately (ie videblogging).
> were all the facts correct?
> is there a blog that may have the facts more correct becasue the
> person focuses just on that subject?
> 
> this isnt about blogs vs traditional media.
> its about acknowledging that the flow of info is changing.
> bloggers if anything are fact checkers.
> 
> > Blogging in itself isn't more true than any other medium. It's just as
> > easy to lie to promote an agenda on a blog - probably easier since you
> > don't have to try and sneak your lie past an editor.
> 
> again, I think this may be a matter of culture.
> Andreas is in Denmark where their traditional media may be more secure.
> in the US where i live, you can SEE the spin in every story reported.
> this is why the Daily Show is one of the most popular shows on US
> TV...by shining a light on the absurdity of US news coverage.
> having an editor may mean you MUST twist the truth.
> 
> blogs do not equal truth.
> my point was simply that blogs help tell the story.
> showing my bias, bloggers such as http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ do
> a great job piecing together the facts of a storyyou can judge his
> credibility by going through his archives. Josh Marshall did a recent
> group of postings on the specific flow of events of the Bush
> admnistration manufacturing the story of the Niger/nuclear/Iraq
> connection.
> when i worked at CNNtrust me...we didnt have time to do weeks of
> research...you find other people to tell the story...and fact check
> the best you can.
> But bloggers are telling the storyand are now can affect how
> traditional journalism works.
> 
> wait till we get more video coming from important events around the
> world.
> i would kill to see videoblogs from the rioting in Paris.
> who are these people...what are their motivations?...what does it sound
> like?
> 
> jay
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Pete Prodoehl]

havilahland33 wrote:
> TV sucks.  I've heard it nicknamed as 'time vaporizer'.  Go vid blogs!

Is it fair to use such a blanket statement? There is plenty of good 
stuff on television, most of it is not on the major networks. (Though 
Arrested Development nearly made me laugh my *ass* off last night.)

Maybe blogs suck, or videoblogs suck, or... you get the idea, it's all 
really personal opinion.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Jay dedman]

> > TV sucks.  I've heard it nicknamed as 'time vaporizer'.  Go vid blogs!
>
> Is it fair to use such a blanket statement? There is plenty of good
> stuff on television, most of it is not on the major networks. (Though
> Arrested Development nearly made me laugh my *ass* off last night.)
> Maybe blogs suck, or videoblogs suck, or... you get the idea, it's all
> really personal opinion.

yeah, we're all learning the balance.
blogging wont bring down traditional media.
but blogging(text, audio, and video) does offer a greater and greater
alternative.

ive had a clear realization during the current coverage fo the
Fitzgerald indictments:
blogging lets the people help tell the story.
why?
because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
for their info
now blogs are now becoming a reliable resource...so we start seeing
blogs affecting how traditonal media reports.
Blogging has done a GREAT job documenting in detail how the current
adminstration has led the US into war. and now you see this info
popping up on the traditonal outlets.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Runupto.mov
bloggers of all sides can go back and forth clarifying the facts.

as far as entertainment, sometimes I want to watch a Hollywwod movie/TV show.
sometimes i want to watch independent or homemade video.
the point is: now i have a choice when there was none.

Jay


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Jay dedman]

> ive had a clear realization during the current coverage fo the
> Fitzgerald indictments:
> blogging lets the people help tell the story.
> why?
> because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
> usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
> for their info
> now blogs are now becoming a reliable resource...so we start seeing
> blogs affecting how traditonal media reports.
> Blogging has done a GREAT job documenting in detail how the current
> adminstration has led the US into war. and now you see this info
> popping up on the traditonal outlets.
> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Runupto.mov
> bloggers of all sides can go back and forth clarifying the facts.

i hotlinked to a video.
sorry:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/07.html#a5756

Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:55:44 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
> usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
> for their info

Why don't speaking to someone else constitute research? Everyone has an  
agenda, both the blogger and the think tank.
Which do you think is researched better: The average blog entry or the  
average newspaper story?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Mike Hudack]

On Nov 8, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:55:44 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote: because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etcfor their infoWhy don't speaking to someone else constitute research? Everyone has an  agenda, both the blogger and the think tank.Which do you think is researched better: The average blog entry or the  average newspaper story?Is that a trick question?  First of all, I don't think you can compare the "average" newspaper article with an "average" blog article.  What is an average blog article?  a personal diary entry?  a list of links to articles in "average" newspapers?  commentary about newspaper articles?  a recount of personal experience that some may consider newsworthy?It would probably help to better define the meaning of "average blog entry".And, for that matter, the "average newspaper article."  Are we talking feature articles, simple news event articles (I'm sure there must be a term of art for these but I don't know what it is), or what?That said, I'd imagine that the average newspaper article is better researched (Jayson Blair excepted) in terms of primary source contacts than just about any blog articles.




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:12:29 +0100, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is that a trick question?  First of all, I don't think you can
> compare the "average" newspaper article with an "average" blog
> article.

I wasn't, Jay was. :o)

> And, for that matter, the "average newspaper article."  Are we
> talking feature articles, simple news event articles (I'm sure there
> must be a term of art for these but I don't know what it is), or what?

Exactly, and the same for the average blog entry. Jay was setting things  
up to mean 'journalism == lazy, unresearched stories; blogs == The  
Truth(tm)'. The generalization is very far from what's going on. Some  
journalistic stories are not fact-checked, but they are in the minority.  
Some blog entries are great investigative journalism, but they are in the  
minority.

Blogging in itself isn't more true than any other medium. It's just as  
easy to lie to promote an agenda on a blog - probably easier since you  
don't have to try and sneak your lie past an editor.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:23:09 +0100, ronenwastaken  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Most 'serious' newspapers and magazines have replaced serious research
> with turnover time and cost-efficiency.

I'd hate to hear what you have to say about lawyers.

> *[this is a word I can never spell]

Necessary.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Charles HOPE]

Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

  
Blogging in itself isn't more true than any other medium.


It's not if I sit around and blog about life on Mars. But when
discussing something that I've experienced first hand, my version is in
fact truer than what would be reported by a journalist who will
interview me, chop up my quotes, miss the thrust of my story, combine
it with irrelevant filler, pass it under the busybody eyes of an editor
thrice removed, and squeeze it out into a steaming heap that's
guaranteed to annoy anyone closely familiar with the event. 


  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:49:32 +0100, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>
> Blogging in itself isn't more true than any other medium.
> It's not if I sit around and blog about life on Mars. But when discussing
> something that I've experienced first hand, my version is in fact truer  
> than
> what would be reported by a journalist who will interview me, chop up my  
> quotes,
> miss the thrust of my story, combine it with irrelevant filler, pass it  
> under
> the busybody eyes of an editor thrice removed, and squeeze it out into a
> steaming heap that's guaranteed to annoy anyone closely familiar with  
> the event.

Truer for whom?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Mike Hudack]

On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:Truer for whom?Ever read a news article on a subject that you're intimately familiar with?  Maybe it was about a concert you were at, a political function you organized, or a videoblogging community you're a member of?Do they ever not make you squirm?




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:08:43 +0100, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>
>> Truer for whom?
>
> Ever read a news article on a subject that you're intimately familiar
> with?  Maybe it was about a concert you were at, a political function
> you organized, or a videoblogging community you're a member of?

In daily newspapers? Yes. I've read both the kind that made me feel good  
(the concert review from the concert I attended the day before) and those  
that made me feel not-so-good (generally those involving technical  
matters). But the latter are not written for me, and that makes one hell  
of a difference. Among other things the job of the journalist at the daily  
newspaper is to simplify for the masses - if everyone understood the  
details of everything I would agree that we could just get rid of most  
journalists. However, none of us understand the details of about  
everything.

I have also read articles on highly specialised topics in magazines that  
were very well done. That I learned from even though I'm intimately  
familiar with the topic.

The real question here is: Why are blogs any different? For every one  
person who writes in-depth like the magazine journalist there are 200 who  
simplify like the journalist at the daily paper. I fail to see the  
problem. Other than the fact that the journalist usually went to school to  
learn how to simplify without misrepresentation.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Jay dedman]

> Exactly, and the same for the average blog entry. Jay was setting things
> up to mean 'journalism == lazy, unresearched stories; blogs == The
> Truth(tm)'. The generalization is very far from what's going on. Some
> journalistic stories are not fact-checked, but they are in the minority.
> Some blog entries are great investigative journalism, but they are in the
> minority.

okay..funny thing was...i was trying to say there is a balance between
the truth in blogs and the truth in tradiotional media.
think of the last time a traditional news outlet covered something you
knew intimately (ie videblogging).
were all the facts correct?
is there a blog that may have the facts more correct becasue the
person focuses just on that subject?

this isnt about blogs vs traditional media.
its about acknowledging that the flow of info is changing.
bloggers if anything are fact checkers.

> Blogging in itself isn't more true than any other medium. It's just as
> easy to lie to promote an agenda on a blog - probably easier since you
> don't have to try and sneak your lie past an editor.

again, I think this may be a matter of culture.
Andreas is in Denmark where their traditional media may be more secure.
in the US where i live, you can SEE the spin in every story reported.
this is why the Daily Show is one of the most popular shows on US
TV...by shining a light on the absurdity of US news coverage.
having an editor may mean you MUST twist the truth.

blogs do not equal truth.
my point was simply that blogs help tell the story.
showing my bias, bloggers such as http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ do
a great job piecing together the facts of a storyyou can judge his
credibility by going through his archives. Josh Marshall did a recent
group of postings on the specific flow of events of the Bush
admnistration manufacturing the story of the Niger/nuclear/Iraq
connection.
when i worked at CNNtrust me...we didnt have time to do weeks of
research...you find other people to tell the story...and fact check
the best you can.
But bloggers are telling the storyand are now can affect how
traditional journalism works.

wait till we get more video coming from important events around the world.
i would kill to see videoblogs from the rioting in Paris.
who are these people...what are their motivations?...what does it sound like?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:22:23 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The accuracy of reporting is based on the veractiy of the individual
> reporting, not the method of reporting whether through a newspaper,
> blog, radio news, podcast, television news, vlog.  Those are methods
> and technologies, they don't determine the truth of the information
> provided.

That's about fifteen times more eloquent than I can ever hope to be. I'll  
remind myself to not e--mail until after you've replied. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Jay dedman]

> In daily newspapers? Yes. I've read both the kind that made me feel good
> (the concert review from the concert I attended the day before) and those
> that made me feel not-so-good (generally those involving technical
> matters). But the latter are not written for me, and that makes one hell
> of a difference. Among other things the job of the journalist at the daily
> newspaper is to simplify for the masses - if everyone understood the
> details of everything I would agree that we could just get rid of most
> journalists. However, none of us understand the details of about
> everything.
> The real question here is: Why are blogs any different? For every one
> person who writes in-depth like the magazine journalist there are 200 who
> simplify like the journalist at the daily paper. I fail to see the
> problem. Other than the fact that the journalist usually went to school to
> learn how to simplify without misrepresentation.


you bring up two good pints:
--most journalism tries to simplfy a complex issue for the masses.
--why are blogs different

blogs are different becasue they dont have to simplify anything.
they in fact can get very very specific about a topic/event.
this is GREAT.
therefore...if a blogger can prove his/her integrity, the blog can
become a source for the journalist.

here's how it works.
im going to do an article on Andreas Pederson.
what do i do?
i google his name.
i spend the evening reading up on blogs posts you have written or
written about you.
when i call you for the interview...i have a lot of background from
which to begin the questioning.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Markus Sandy]

I think that the real issue is the clock and the fact that there are
only so many viewing hours in a day.  For me, there is now more media
to sift through on the web than I can handle and so there is almost no
time left for TV (or text blogs for that matter).  I really only watch
TV to be social (image that!).  I'm sure there are some good things on,
but I don't have time for them.

Also, there are so many bad or negative things on (mainly ads and what
passes for "news") that I actually enjoy not seeing them.  I imagine
they will find their way to the vlogosphere in due time (some already
have).

My wife just got an iPod.  Now I send her media.  More viewing minutes
that have to come from somewhere (for both her and me).  

So now I am locked in a head-to-head battle with CSI for her
attention.  It was like that when I was watching too. ;)

Now if Tivo came with a few extra hours for each day... ah hell, i'd
just watch more vlogs :)

Markus



Jay dedman wrote:

  

  TV sucks.  I've heard it nicknamed as 'time vaporizer'.  Go vid blogs!
  

Is it fair to use such a blanket statement? There is plenty of good
stuff on television, most of it is not on the major networks. (Though
Arrested Development nearly made me laugh my *ass* off last night.)
Maybe blogs suck, or videoblogs suck, or... you get the idea, it's all
really personal opinion.

  
  
yeah, we're all learning the balance.
blogging wont bring down traditional media.
but blogging(text, audio, and video) does offer a greater and greater
alternative.

ive had a clear realization during the current coverage fo the
Fitzgerald indictments:
blogging lets the people help tell the story.
why?
because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
for their info
now blogs are now becoming a reliable resource...so we start seeing
blogs affecting how traditonal media reports.
Blogging has done a GREAT job documenting in detail how the current
adminstration has led the US into war. and now you see this info
popping up on the traditonal outlets.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Runupto.mov
bloggers of all sides can go back and forth clarifying the facts.

as far as entertainment, sometimes I want to watch a Hollywwod movie/TV show.
sometimes i want to watch independent or homemade video.
the point is: now i have a choice when there was none.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

[Markus Sandy]

great timing:
http://revlog.blogspot.com/2005/11/daily-show-on-gay-marriage.html




Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

  On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:55:44 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

  
  
because journalists either are lazy or dont have the time to research.
usually they turn to think tanks(heritage foundation), experts, etc
for their info

  
  
Why don't speaking to someone else constitute research? Everyone has an  
agenda, both the blogger and the think tank.
Which do you think is researched better: The average blog entry or the  
average newspaper story?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

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> You are so right Markus. Time is the new bandwidth restriction. Or the
> old one, or the one that we all can always count on. The think about
> my PVR (generic TIVO) is that I record all this stuff that never gets
> watched. There is one night a week that my wife and I really sit down
> and watch TV and it's kinda like our thing we do together (well you
> know besides that other thing we do together.) And that's Sunday
> night, we watch one of the great HBO dramas or comedies.

yep...our ATTENTION is the most valuable commodity on the market.
http://www.attentiontrust.org/
thats why i get so pissed at ads, especially when i didnt ask for them.

i was in the cab the other day...and the drive had the radio playing.
all these ads starting bloaring and all i could think of is...why?
why would he just sit there and let the ads blare away.
things are changing.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: watching personal videos

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Bill Streeter wrote:

I would agree on a very general level. It's true that technically the
medium itself does not determine a stories truthfulness. But some of
those media are layered with a bureaucratic infrastructure that makes
the truth harder to get out in some cases. Sometimes what is not
reported is as important as what is reported. For instance, there is
such a thing as a lie by omission and it happens all the time in
traditional media. And more often than not it's not the reporters
fault but the system within they work that makes the lie possible.
  


Exactly. This is not about computer screens vs. sheets of newsprint.
It's about the social structure of journalism vs. direct, first-hand
reporting. I suppose if someone prefers the rough edges of reality be
smoothed into a family-friendly safety that is easily comprehended by
high school freshmen and completely unchallenging to the advertisers,
governments, and social class controlling the news organs, they will
defend Big Journalism as comparable to the blogs which provide pure
source information. I took some people recently to a vegetarian Asian
fusion restaurant and they poked skeptically at their plates, and pined
for the familiarity of McDonalds. Some people long for what is raw and
real and true, others prefer processed byproducts and Red Number 5.





  
  
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