Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Hey Michael: There are no words to describe how much I respect, and admire what you have done, and what you are doing. Thanks for your words and deeds. I hope to meet you some day, and shake your hand. Christopher Ivanyi SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Verdi wrote: > On Oct 31, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote: > >>My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging >>altogether. If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order >>achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the >>validation of an audience -- then just stop making them. This goes >>for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! >>Just stop making vlogs. > > > Look, in my life, I have created all kinds of art. Some things I've > created have antagonized an audience and begged to be disliked - I > was once shouted off stage, I didn't leave, then someone unplugged my > equipment. Some things I've created defied interpretation by using > language and images who's only significance is locked in my mind > alone - the audience was understandably indifferent to this kind of > work. After 15 years of this, if I NEEDED an audience, you'd think > I'd have quit. I haven't quit because even more than enjoying being > an artist, "artist" is something that compels me to be. It's as > natural and necessary as breathing and eating. Heh, this reminds me of the time I performed in an experimental band and we forced the audience to leave the building we were playing in before we would start. Remarkably, most of them returned. ;) This also brings up the whole idea of "people who create things can't *NOT* create things" it's just what they do. There may not be a clear and simple answer to it, but that's just how it is. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On Oct 31, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote: > My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging > altogether. If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order > achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the > validation of an audience -- then just stop making them. This goes > for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! > Just stop making vlogs. Look, in my life, I have created all kinds of art. Some things I've created have antagonized an audience and begged to be disliked - I was once shouted off stage, I didn't leave, then someone unplugged my equipment. Some things I've created defied interpretation by using language and images who's only significance is locked in my mind alone - the audience was understandably indifferent to this kind of work. After 15 years of this, if I NEEDED an audience, you'd think I'd have quit. I haven't quit because even more than enjoying being an artist, "artist" is something that compels me to be. It's as natural and necessary as breathing and eating. > > Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging > your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto > one of your movies. But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless. At > a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point? 50 weeks ago I started a new blog and added video to it as an experiment because I'm always experimenting. That's what I do. Here's my initial post: http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2004/11/15/the-game/ My experiment hasn't turned out the way I thought it would. Almost all of my goals set out in that first post are completely irrelevant to me now. But it's been one of the most amazing years of my life so far. And the most important lessons that I've learned have nothing to do with how many people are watching my videos and everything to do with what happens when you give of yourself fully, without reservations, solely for the pleasure of doing it. George Bernard Shaw gives me goose bumps every time I read his quote: This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being a force of nature instead of a feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy. I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community, and as long as I live it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can. I want to be thoroughly used up when I die, for the harder I work the more I live. I rejoice in life for its own sake. Life is no "brief candle" for me. It is a sort of splendid torch which I have got hold of for the moment, and I want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com R&D: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Christopher Ivanyi wrote: > I think alot of vloggers are absolutely fooling themselves! Every > vlogger wants/needs an audience - that's the absolute truth. But > here's the trick. When that someone gets their audience, there is > this ineffable something that creeps into the pyche -- the desire to > want more. It just happens. It's called human nature. We want more, > and more. Wants an audience? Perhaps... Needs an audience? No... I've dabbled in all sorts of art and creative endeavors since I was a young lad. Have you ever doodled in a notebook? Did you have some need to *show* it to others, or were you just happy to do it, and enjoy it yourself. > Michael says: > > "I believe that there are > many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of > having done them. Creating things is like that for me." > > That's very beautiful. That's very altruistic. Very Tao, Very Zen. > I admire that truly. > > My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging > altogether. If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order > achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the > validation of an audience -- then just stop making them. This goes > for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! > Just stop making vlogs. > > Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging > your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto > one of your movies. But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless. At > a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point? > > I believe we can have a sanity about our creativity, so don't get me > wrong. All I'm saying is that whenever one creates, there is an > inherent relationship built in, whether if be with your art and your > personal approval of it, or your art and another person's approval of > it. And the important thing is to look at that relationship clearly. The word 'approval' bothers me here. I am not looking for approval with what I do, I'm just doing it to see what happens. I'm not trying to 'prove' myself as a creator of video, I'm just doing it because I want to right now. If in the future I don't want to, I'll stop. I like the fact that (in theory) my kids will be able to watch the videos I created in 5, 10, 20 years, and get a piece of who I am/was from it. Maybe my audience doesn't exist yet. ;) To me, the 'connection aspect' is a bonus, a nice side-effect of it all. I could just store all of my photos, video, and writing on servers somewhere privately (nice backup if my house burns down, my computers are all stolen, etc) but in sharing these thing, I take the chance that others can connect with me in some ways, that I can learn from them, and they can learn from me. I enjoy seeing the stuff my friends create, and if they enjoy what I create - we both win. Do I even have to mention that many of these 'friendships' are the result of sharing bits of ourselves on the web? I don't like to think of my friends as my 'audience' I like to think of them as my friends. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
I think alot of vloggers are absolutely fooling themselves! Every vlogger wants/needs an audience - that's the absolute truth. But here's the trick. When that someone gets their audience, there is this ineffable something that creeps into the pyche -- the desire to want more. It just happens. It's called human nature. We want more, and more. Michael says: "I believe that there are many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of having done them. Creating things is like that for me." That's very beautiful. That's very altruistic. Very Tao, Very Zen. I admire that truly. My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging altogether. If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the validation of an audience -- then just stop making them. This goes for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! Just stop making vlogs. Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto one of your movies. But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless. At a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point? I believe we can have a sanity about our creativity, so don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is that whenever one creates, there is an inherent relationship built in, whether if be with your art and your personal approval of it, or your art and another person's approval of it. And the important thing is to look at that relationship clearly. May Michael's altuism flourish. And may we never stop vlogging. chris www.cafesiena.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:36:09 +0100, Richard Show <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... first of all start with sitcoms (which are most traditionally about > the > everyday lives of white males, though now often about other ethnic/gender > groups), but all about someone's life and they are interesting because > people CAN relate to their lives > > ... there is also, of course, all the "reality" TV stuff > > ... there are tons of movies that are variations on lives, not around > some > theme All of these have one thing in common: They look at the unusual life, in one form or another. Sitcom characters don't have regular lives, reality tv participants definitely don't live usual lives. Ditto for movies (regular people don't just accidentally end up in bed with Julia Robert like in Notting Hill). It's a very big difference. > ... in fact, when I think about it, most of the "theme" shows on TV are > sort > of obscure and less popular, like stuff on the cooking or building stuff > or > music (backpacking or grand rapids) or whatever Trading Spaces? And the five million shows like it. Monster Garage, Jackass, Mythbusters. Just about any tv show that isn't pure fiction. > ... now that I think about it, the most popular, are the most > entertaining > and often (maybe usually) some variation on people's day to day lives ... But they are not the lives of ordinary people. They are caricatures, often to an exstreme degree (think The Simpsons). - Andreas -- http://www.solitude.dk/> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Frank Carver wrote: And I truly believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as possible, I know I would. Honestly I don't want that. What I want is an audience that is as interested and involved as possible. I'd much rather connect with ten new friends through my videos than 1 passive consumers. same here -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Monday, October 31, 2005, 6:20:35 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote: > But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one > would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility? I can understand how you would feel like that, but can you explain how it could even be possible to "know no one would watch it" ? Who can say what might become popular or desirable next month, next year, next century ... The only certain way of knowing that no one will watch your videos is to keep them to yourself. > And I truly > believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as > possible, I know I would. Honestly I don't want that. What I want is an audience that is as interested and involved as possible. I'd much rather connect with ten new friends through my videos than 1 passive consumers. Large audiences would scare me. Everybody is different, I guess. It's always a bit risky to make sweeping generalizations. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On Oct 31, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote: > But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one > would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility? Interesting. I don't feel that way though. I believe that there are many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of having done them. Creating things is like that for me. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com R&D: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
I just wanted to add one clarification ... un-themed "real life" content is often very "popular" in main stream media ... ... first of all start with sitcoms (which are most traditionally about the everyday lives of white males, though now often about other ethnic/gender groups), but all about someone's life and they are interesting because people CAN relate to their lives ... there is also, of course, all the "reality" TV stuff ... there are tons of movies that are variations on lives, not around some theme ... in fact, when I think about it, most of the "theme" shows on TV are sort of obscure and less popular, like stuff on the cooking or building stuff or music (backpacking or grand rapids) or whatever ... now that I think about it, the most popular, are the most entertaining and often (maybe usually) some variation on people's day to day lives ... ... so, I'm not sure where this idea about "themed" content being so related to popularity comes from (in fact, the whole long tale idea is about themes that are not interesting to most people) ... of course, how any of this is relevant to the original discussion, lord knows, but I've gone to the trouble to type all this, so I feel obligated to push send, so what the hell ... the blabbering biased ramblings of Richard, star of the RichardShow, "A Narcisistic Themeless Vlog About the Ordinary Life of a White Male from the Midwest" (wow a new Theme! Branding! :) ... On 10/27/05, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I tell you> that if i had themed content specifically centered around Grand Rapids,> Backpacking, Geocaching, or folk music, I would not be appealing to the > majority of the internet crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure Iwould> bring in all the people who live in GR , or those onlinebackpackers, but> the rest of the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking > about T&A or iPods...First of all, the future of RSS-video consumers is not limited totech-savvy people, and quality production is a must. The "shaky cam"is a tough one to watch. Your vlog's feed had 248 readers yesterday, which makes you #9 on theFeedBurner list. I'd bet there are more (potential) readers out therefor Grand Rapids, backpacking, geocaching, or folk music.There are over 200,000 people living in GR (not including surrounding area), and the other topics you mention are not even limited to ageographic audience.The technology does need to catch up, but the topics you mentionedhave a better chance of appealing to the masses. Hypothetically speaking- if you had 5,000 niche readers (let alone50,000), you could probably make a living with it.Given all that, I still agree w/ the other side of this. Personalvideos are great. The incentives are different for each subject. -Matt---http://www.leanbackvids.comhttp://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Richard http://www.richardshow.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
the beauty ofvideoblogging is that it doesnt HAVE to matter - Steve said I agree that it doesn't HAVE to matter, but, speaking personally, I feel that great pangs when my qualitative audience diminishes, and exhiliration when it increases. I have in the past easily been able to ignore the numbers. But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility? And I truly believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as possible, I know I would. And yes, I've been thinking of different ways on how to achieve that, and trying to figure out the success of other folks out there -- the proverbial grass is always greener on the other side. And for my two cents, it's not about: To Be Themed, or Not To Be Themed, it's about having compelling characters, coupled with compelling stories, period. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On 10/27/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The final example that we brought up is the KItkastum SEXwhat does the internet revolve around? SEX. I tell you that if i had themed content specifically centered around Grand Rapids, Backpacking, Geocaching, or folk music, I would not be appealing to the majority of the internet crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure I would bring in all the people who live in GR , or those online backpackers, but the rest of the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking about T&A or iPods...I think you're underestimitizing your audience. These themes may not garner you a big audience immediately, like say, a tech theme or sex theme, but eventually if you plug away, your audience will find you. There aren't TV channels dedicated to any of those things, as far as I know. I agree, if you started making all your videos about geocaching, you'd probably lose some eyeballs. But that's in the short term. Eventually, the geocachers of the world would find you. I'm willing to be that there are more people out there that want to see you talk about geocaching than there are that want to hear you talk about buttering your toast and going to work (I haven't seen a video about that...just an example, please don't yell at me toast-buttering employed vlogger whoever you are). It all comes down to what you want to do with videoblogging, right?If you're doing it as a creative outlet, then just do whatever the fuck you want. Some people may watch, but why should you care?If you're doing it to communicate with friends, then you shouldn't really care about a bigger audience either. If you do want a bigger audience, just follow this guys advice:http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000876.html > --AQbullemhead.com Themed content is easy to understand but it still comes down to producing quality content. A personal vlog that is made in such a way that it is entertaining, well produced, and compelling has a better chance at gaining a large audience than a well-produced vlog about a niche market. so in conclusion -The internet is dominated of sex-crazed, tech-savy males -content that apeals to these characteristics has a better chance than other more minute niche topics -content that is well-made, and compelling is more important than theme -if your aim is large viewership, focus on what you think is interesting, and make it good -in the end, I like cat videos a lot vlogcats.blogspot.com i am sure there is something someone can get pissed off about in what i just wrote...but seriously, let's not get too bent out of shape here...i love it all and this isn't life...that is what we should be filming --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:>> > As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about. It is my> > opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will > > generally be reserved for friends/family.>> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while > personal vlog will be "reserved." I think the whole point about> videoblogging is that none of that matters. It's totally besides the> point.>> --> Verdi> http://michaelverdi.com/ >> http://freevlog.org/ >> http://node101.org/ > -- Josh Leojoshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Good point Steve! On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: > the beauty of > videoblogging is that it doesnt HAVE to matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
> As you can tell, this is something I get fired > up about. It is my > opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive > while personal vlogs will > generally be reserved for friends/family. My though on Themed Content Vlogs -VS- Personal Content Vlogs is that both will "Thrive" depending on which side of the "Thriving" coin you look at. Rocketboom is a good example of a VLOG with a theme that has a thriving subscription base. However a quick look at vlogmap shows me at least how much the personal vlogs are thriving. I think we are seeing a HUGE proliferation of vlogs, the fast majority of which may be personal vlogs, although there will be a thriving community of personal vlogers few will have a personality that generates a large subscription base for their vlogs. The few who are able to develop a theme and a show like approach will have a better chance at developing a thriving subscription base but as with anything there will be exceptions. That is the excitement!! Those with popular, innovative, entertaining ideas, and those who can truly educate, but are limited by "Cash" or "The Man" can overcome those limitations through vlogging and can reach the audience they so richly deserve be it 50,000 daily who love Rocketboom, or 75 people who want Yamadori Tips. And those who are less focused topic wise aren't penalized for it, those with the personality can generate a following of fans, and those who's only interest is ensuring that grandma, and a few cousins who scattered the globe have the latest video of the kittens in the barn or the kids learning to ride a 2 wheeler can do so, and be on equal footing with their distribution capabilities as CBS News regardless of how many viewers they have. Welcome to the future. Television has Evolved. The visual medium is now for everyone. Soon everyone will have a voice. Not every voice will be popular, but all will have an opportunity to be heard. -Chris http://www.theramblingloggerhead.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Oh the longtail.The way I see it, it is not particularly the themed content that will bring in the masses but the fact that this so called "popular" themed content is centered around a very specific audience: internet geeks out there. Ok lets see here...Rocketboom has a wide variety of topics but it is reaching a crowd of people on the internet that is already familiar with tech, internet oddities, and boing-boingable things...Then you have Tikibar tv...very well produced, but includes the eye-candy for males, and the alcohol for many tech-savy young men who make up the majority of the internet. The final example that we brought up is the KItkastum SEXwhat does the internet revolve around? SEX. I tell you that if i had themed content specifically centered around Grand Rapids, Backpacking, Geocaching, or folk music, I would not be appealing to the majority of the internet crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure I would bring in all the people who live in GR , or those online backpackers, but the rest of the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking about T&A or iPods... Themed content is easy to understand but it still comes down to producing quality content. A personal vlog that is made in such a way that it is entertaining, well produced, and compelling has a better chance at gaining a large audience than a well-produced vlog about a niche market. so in conclusion -The internet is dominated of sex-crazed, tech-savy males -content that apeals to these characteristics has a better chance than other more minute niche topics -content that is well-made, and compelling is more important than theme -if your aim is large viewership, focus on what you think is interesting, and make it good -in the end, I like cat videos a lot vlogcats.blogspot.com i am sure there is something someone can get pissed off about in what i just wrote...but seriously, let's not get too bent out of shape here...i love it all and this isn't life...that is what we should be filming --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:>> > As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about. It is my> > opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will > > generally be reserved for friends/family.>> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while > personal vlog will be "reserved." I think the whole point about> videoblogging is that none of that matters. It's totally besides the> point.>> --> Verdi> http://michaelverdi.com/ >> http://freevlog.org/ >> http://node101.org/ > -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
Dave,Your font is incredibly difficult to read in your post. I would suggest changing your default font. LynnLynn LaneCoal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazinewebsite: www.CoalRiverPictures.comemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.comfeed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmakerComing Soon:www.Vlogumentarian.comwww.VlogReporter.comAIVF/IDARing 8 MemberNYC On Oct 27, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Dave McClure wrote: hi, newbie to the site (and to videoblogging) but this caught my eye: > What type of site is most likely to gain more readers > In my opinion, that would be themed content >> more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life. >> Themed content has to be gathered, written, produced, etc. >> That takes time and/or money. That's a higher barrier to entry. wonder of it isn't just "themed content i have a reference point for" ? i think people tend to have an innate sense of the story / content around familiar subjects they like or care about... i love playing ultimate frisbee, and altho i know diddly about video right now, i think i'd have a bunch of ideas on that subject to try out. anyway, i hope my intuition is correct -- my startup is running a contest next month on our www.simplyfired.com site to collect a bunch of alternative & fun videos about getting fired in the workplace, kind of an "office space" or "dilbert" theme. not sure how much interest we'll get, but we wanted to choose a subject where the average person would feel some connection. most everyone has at one time or other had some fear of getting fired (and in my case, perhaps more than a couple times ;) -- Dave McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.simplyhired.com www.simplyFIRED.com From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com on behalf of VerdiSent: Thu 10/27/2005 8:48 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:33 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:> What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more> "popular")? In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a> particular subject will relate to more people than an individual.I think you're right about that. That's why TV uses themed content - they have to appeal to more than the individual. It's way to expensive not to.The other thing about themed content is that for most people (I'm guessing here) it's more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life. I know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and I'm on the scene while it's happening everyday. Themed content has to be gathered, written, produced, etc. That takes time and/or money. That's a higher barrier to entry. I think that's why you're having trouble finding it.-- Verdihttp://michaelverdi.com/ >http://freevlog.org/ >http://node101.org/ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
hi, newbie to the site (and to videoblogging) but this caught my eye: > What type of site is most likely to gain more readers > In my opinion, that would be themed content >> more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life. >> Themed content has to be gathered, written, produced, etc. >> That takes time and/or money. That's a higher barrier to entry. wonder of it isn't just "themed content i have a reference point for" ? i think people tend to have an innate sense of the story / content around familiar subjects they like or care about... i love playing ultimate frisbee, and altho i know diddly about video right now, i think i'd have a bunch of ideas on that subject to try out. anyway, i hope my intuition is correct -- my startup is running a contest next month on our www.simplyfired.com site to collect a bunch of alternative & fun videos about getting fired in the workplace, kind of an "office space" or "dilbert" theme. not sure how much interest we'll get, but we wanted to choose a subject where the average person would feel some connection. most everyone has at one time or other had some fear of getting fired (and in my case, perhaps more than a couple times ;) -- Dave McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.simplyhired.com www.simplyFIRED.com From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com on behalf of VerdiSent: Thu 10/27/2005 8:48 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:33 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:> What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more> "popular")? In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a> particular subject will relate to more people than an individual.I think you're right about that. That's why TV uses themed content - they have to appeal to more than the individual. It's way to expensive not to.The other thing about themed content is that for most people (I'm guessing here) it's more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life. I know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and I'm on the scene while it's happening everyday. Themed content has to be gathered, written, produced, etc. That takes time and/or money. That's a higher barrier to entry. I think that's why you're having trouble finding it.-- Verdihttp://michaelverdi.com/ >http://freevlog.org/ >http://node101.org/ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:33 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: > What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more > "popular")? In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a > particular subject will relate to more people than an individual. I think you're right about that. That's why TV uses themed content - they have to appeal to more than the individual. It's way to expensive not to. The other thing about themed content is that for most people (I'm guessing here) it's more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life. I know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and I'm on the scene while it's happening everyday. Themed content has to be gathered, written, produced, etc. That takes time and/or money. That's a higher barrier to entry. I think that's why you're having trouble finding it. -- Verdi http://michaelverdi.com/ > http://freevlog.org/ > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob
On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: > As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about. It is my > opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will > generally be reserved for friends/family. It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while personal vlog will be "reserved." I think the whole point about videoblogging is that none of that matters. It's totally besides the point. -- Verdi http://michaelverdi.com/ > http://freevlog.org/ > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
