Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

[Laura Jenemann]

Thanks for the responses on this! They're very helpful.

And if any one has formal language in a policy they can point to, please share.

Regards,
Laura


From: Jodie Borgerding 
mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu>>
Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

My situation is similar to Becky's. We don't have a policy specifically for 
Blu-Rays, but will get the combo packs (catalog them separately), only Blu-Ray 
releases, or if the faculty specifically request a Blu-Ray version. We did this 
for the Lord of the Rings trilogy last year which a film studies professor 
requested it.

Budget is the main factor. I would love to buy a DVD and Blu-Ray copy for every 
film I buy, but I can't afford to do so. I do look at the annual circulation 
counts for the films, and our Blu-Ray films do have a high number of circs so I 
have some evidence if I ever decide to request funds to build up our Blu-Ray 
collection.

Jodie



Jodie Borgerding, MLS
Instruction and Liaison Librarian
Missouri Library Association President
Webster University Library
470 E. Lockwood
St. Louis, MO  63119
(314) 246-7819
jborgerdin...@webster.edu<mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu>
http://library.webster.edu<http://library.webster.edu/>
http://molib.org<http://molib.org/>

From: 
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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Tatar, Becky
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 AM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

We don't really have a policy per se.  We don't have a specific Blu-Ray 
collection, but we do purchase the combo packs - Disney, Criterion, when 
released.  Or, if a film receives great reviews, but is only released on 
Blu-Ray, we'll also get that.  For a while, one of our branch selectors was 
getting Blu-Ray of top releases, but she wasn't aware that we really didn't 
collect them.  Part of the whole issue comes down to budget.  We just don't 
have it.  I hope this helps.

Becky Tatar
Periodicals/Audiovisuals
Aurora Public Library
101 S. River Street
Aurora, IL   60506
Phone: 630-264-4116
FAX: 630-896-3209
blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org<mailto:blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org>
www.aurorapubliclibrary.org<http://www.aurorapubliclibrary.org>

From:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>
 [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Jenemann
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

Dear videolib,

I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies.  If you have any links 
or info to share, please reach out.

And thanks for your help.

Regards,

Laura
Laura Jenemann
Media Services/Film Studies Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu<mailto:ljene...@gmu.edu>
Phone: 703-993-7593
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

[Jodie Borgerding]

My situation is similar to Becky's. We don't have a policy specifically for
Blu-Rays, but will get the combo packs (catalog them separately), only
Blu-Ray releases, or if the faculty specifically request a Blu-Ray version.
We did this for the Lord of the Rings trilogy last year which a film studies
professor requested it. 

 

Budget is the main factor. I would love to buy a DVD and Blu-Ray copy for
every film I buy, but I can't afford to do so. I do look at the annual
circulation counts for the films, and our Blu-Ray films do have a high
number of circs so I have some evidence if I ever decide to request funds to
build up our Blu-Ray collection. 

 

Jodie

 



 

Jodie Borgerding, MLS

Instruction and Liaison Librarian

Missouri Library Association President

Webster University Library

470 E. Lockwood

St. Louis, MO  63119

(314) 246-7819

jborgerdin...@webster.edu <mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu> 

http://library.webster.edu <http://library.webster.edu/> 

http://molib.org <http://molib.org/> 

 

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Tatar, Becky
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 AM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

 

We don't really have a policy per se.  We don't have a specific Blu-Ray
collection, but we do purchase the combo packs - Disney, Criterion, when
released.  Or, if a film receives great reviews, but is only released on
Blu-Ray, we'll also get that.  For a while, one of our branch selectors was
getting Blu-Ray of top releases, but she wasn't aware that we really didn't
collect them.  Part of the whole issue comes down to budget.  We just don't
have it.  I hope this helps.  

 

Becky Tatar

Periodicals/Audiovisuals

Aurora Public Library

101 S. River Street

Aurora, IL   60506

Phone: 630-264-4116

FAX: 630-896-3209

blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org <mailto:blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org> 

www.aurorapubliclibrary.org <http://www.aurorapubliclibrary.org> 

 

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Jenemann
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> 
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

 

Dear videolib,

 

I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies.  If you have any
links or info to share, please reach out.

 

And thanks for your help.

 

Regards,

 

Laura

Laura Jenemann

Media Services/Film Studies Librarian

George Mason University Libraries

Email: ljene...@gmu.edu <mailto:ljene...@gmu.edu> 

Phone: 703-993-7593

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

[Tatar, Becky]

We don't really have a policy per se.  We don't have a specific Blu-Ray 
collection, but we do purchase the combo packs - Disney, Criterion, when 
released.  Or, if a film receives great reviews, but is only released on 
Blu-Ray, we'll also get that.  For a while, one of our branch selectors was 
getting Blu-Ray of top releases, but she wasn't aware that we really didn't 
collect them.  Part of the whole issue comes down to budget.  We just don't 
have it.  I hope this helps.

Becky Tatar
Periodicals/Audiovisuals
Aurora Public Library
101 S. River Street
Aurora, IL   60506
Phone: 630-264-4116
FAX: 630-896-3209
blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org
www.aurorapubliclibrary.org

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Jenemann
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies

Dear videolib,

I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies.  If you have any links 
or info to share, please reach out.

And thanks for your help.

Regards,

Laura
Laura Jenemann
Media Services/Film Studies Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions

[Michael Phillips]

Hello Jessica,

A quick keyword search for 'Blu-ray' in our catalog pulls up over 1,800 
results, and this may be close to correct.  We order Blu-rays instead of DVDs 
whenever possible.  We do not have a problem making Blu-ray players available 
for classrooms.  I am not aware of any problems relating to durability.  Some 
of the issues that we have encountered are:

1. Blu-rays (and now DVDs) frequently are sold with Digital Copy and/or 
UltraViolet discs, which we do not circulate.

2. When a film needs to be streamed for a class, it takes longer to stream a 
Blu-ray than a DVD.  If a class needs a title streamed in a hurry, the DVD 
version probably will be the streamed version.

3. Many Blu-rays are sold in Blu-ray/DVD combo packs, and there is a problem 
with patrons checking out the packs and then losing/damaging one disc.  In the 
future, our Media department plans to split up the discs and circulate them 
separately.

4. We do not have multi-region Blu-ray players and so only purchase Region A 
Blu-rays.

5. Some Blu-ray versions of classic films have been altered from their original 
form (for example, the 2009 release of The French Connection: 
http://www.examiner.com/article/addendum-to-march-6th-blu-ray-releases-new-wall-street-french-connection-bds,
 which was corrected later), and we have to read more customer reviews to make 
sure of the quality of what we are ordering.

Michael S. Phillips
Library Associate I
Monographic Acquisitions Division
Texas A&M University
acqmo...@library.tamu.edu<mailto:acqmo...@library.tamu.edu>
5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000
Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310
http://library.tamu.edu



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:43 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions

"Dislike" was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech & financial issue. 
I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary 
with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras 
which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was 
a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or 
instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would 
likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds 
like a bitch.
I really appreciate everyone's input.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer 
mailto:fost...@uhv.edu>> wrote:
Jessica:  I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more 
to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who 
makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution 
(community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a 
specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos 
that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off 
from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also 
don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement.


Jennifer Foster
Media Librarian
Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
361.570.4195
http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400
From: Jessica Rosner mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID:

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I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a 
problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making 
cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. 
In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have 
reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I 
guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu 
ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of 
this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD).

Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material 
though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their 
own.


--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Good to know / hear -- I am super glad to be wrong on this one!  The 
only titles we have problems with are things like Disney or Dreamworks, 
but this because of the audience and not the technology.  Anything that 
could be considered a 'kids movie' is going to take a beating -- I've 
had to buff more jelly fingerprints off Kung Fu Panda than I can count 
(without taking off my shoes, at any rate). -- Meghann


On 10/22/2013 3:57 PM, Josh Moorman wrote:

Meghann,

My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on 
blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My 
experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs 
and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because 
of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch 
problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a 
special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered 
in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my 
experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. 
Best.


*Josh Moorman*
*Head Librarian*
*New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
*Robert K. Hartman Library*
*josh.moor...@nyfa.edu *
*(818) 295-2021 *


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk > wrote:


Susan wrote:  "I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to
skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation." 
I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually

*more* sensitive and prone to problems.  That was a concern for me
when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it
hasn't turned out that way.  Very rarely do I need to clean /
resurface Blu-rays.  I've been supposing that this was due to
their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability,
though.  I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations
on this front.

-- 
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475 
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent

[Josh Moorman]

Meghann,

My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray
discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our
library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has
held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not
hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On
the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which
seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That
could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different
takes on this. Best.

*Josh Moorman*
*Head Librarian*
*New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
*Robert K. Hartman Library*
*josh.moor...@nyfa.edu*
*(818) 295-2021*


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk  wrote:

>  Susan wrote:  "I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping
> or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation."  I've actually heard
> the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to
> problems.  That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection
> of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way.  Very rarely do I need
> to clean / resurface Blu-rays.  I've been supposing that this was due to
> their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though.  I'd be
> interested in hearing if others have observations on this front.
>
> --
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Film and Video Collection Department
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717
> (302) 831-1475
> http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
> On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote:
>
> We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2
> years now.  All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I
> suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and
> reliable, whatever that may be.
> I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt
> problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films,
> though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available
> in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice,
> though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players.
> Susan
>
> Susan Weber
>
> Media Librarian
> Library
> T  604.323.5533
> F  604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca   >
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>


-- 
*Josh Moorman*
*Head Librarian*
*New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
*Robert K. Hartman Library*
*josh.moor...@nyfa.edu*
*(818) 295-2021*
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions

[Jessica Rosner]

"Dislike" was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech & financial
issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is
documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive
library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only
be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still
hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is
blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it
though it certainly sounds like a bitch.

I really appreciate everyone's input.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer  wrote:

> Jessica:  I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has
> more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have
> said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either
> institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested
> them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't
> order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a
> long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS
> tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement.
>
>
> Jennifer Foster
> Media Librarian
> Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
> 361.570.4195
> http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu
>
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400
> From: Jessica Rosner 
> Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Message-ID:
>  apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a
> problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making
> cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray
> only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries
> have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a
> laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that
> difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more
> complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class
> will be available on DVD).
>
> Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this
> material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who
> can do their own.
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Susan wrote:  "I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping 
or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation." I've actually 
heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and 
prone to problems.  That was a concern for me when we began our 
(limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that 
way.  Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays.  I've been 
supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not 
their durability, though.  I'd be interested in hearing if others have 
observations on this front.


--
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo


On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote:

We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2
years now.  All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I
suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and
reliable, whatever that may be.
I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt
problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films,
though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available
in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice,
though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players.
Susan

Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
swe...@langara.bc.ca 


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions

[Foster, Jennifer]

Jessica:  I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more 
to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who 
makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution 
(community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a 
specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos 
that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off 
from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also 
don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement.


Jennifer Foster
Media Librarian
Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
361.570.4195
http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400
From: Jessica Rosner 
Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a 
problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making 
cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. 
In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have 
reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I 
guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu 
ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of 
this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD).

Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material 
though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their 
own.


--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com

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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray question

[Deg Farrelly]

In my own circumstance I pass on Blu Ray because having a BR copy means
that I also buy the standard DVD version, since not everyone has a BR
player.

A technical issue that most folks miss is that in a classroom using data
projection, the image is no better from a BR player than from a standard
DVD because the projectors are not equipped to handle the additional data.
 Projectors that are so capable are considerably more expensive, which is
a prohibitive cost.

-deg farrelly

On 10/22/13 12:16 PM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>
>A related question:
>
>I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on
>Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because
>they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the
>Blu-Ray war).


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Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Susan Weber]

We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 
years now.  All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I 
suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and 
reliable, whatever that may be.
I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt 
problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, 
though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available 
in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, 
though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players.
Susan

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On 22/10/2013 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:
> I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much
> a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been
> making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is
> Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most
> libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a
> player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it
> really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make
> this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be
> used in class will be available on DVD).
>
> Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this
> material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who
> can do their own.
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com 
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Chris Drake]

Hi Jessica,

Best of luck on your cryptic endeavor!  As we're a relatively small
University (around 3,000 students at capacity) we are at the mercy of our
IT department when it comes to what is available in classrooms and they are
currently only partially supporting DVD and are talking about removing that
support by 2015 for some as yet unnamed technology, possibly something
having to do with streaming but they don't throw much information my way
and tend to ignore me when I ask.

Most of our classrooms have a data projector with an empty wall plate and
the teachers are required to bring their own laptop or player (which was
not the case when I was in charge of AV for the campus--I inherited both
the Media Librarian and AV support role from someone else and then IT
grabbed control of the AV support a few years back.)  Individual
departments sometimes spring for players or PCs for the classrooms that are
in their particular buildings.

Currently we have only about two or three Blu Ray titles in our collection
and two of them were combo packs with a DVD version available.  We have a
Blu Ray player at our Media Carrels for students to view our Blu Rays (and
their own or outside disks) and we have another Blu Ray in our large
meeting room.  As far as I know the rest of the campus is still using DVD
(where available) and we actually still have quite a few teachers who use
only VHS!  Those teachers who use VHS have classrooms that are only for
their department and have a say in what technology is installed and they
usually have DVD/VHS combo decks.

I honestly have nothing at all against Blu Ray and I would be installing
decks all over campus if I had a say since they are no longer terribly
expensive and they will play DVDs just fine and can provide for the
excellent quality of Blu Ray when titles are available on that format.
Most independent titles that teachers like are only released on DVDR but I
have specifically tried them on one of our Blu Ray decks (just out of
curiosity) and have never come across a problem.

I think a lot of the opposition to installing Blu Ray players across
campuses is due to the constantly changing technologies and the belief that
something new will soon appear to make Blu Ray obsolete and the money spent
will have been wasted.  We're about at the time where any DVD players that
are still installed on campus will be wearing down and if I was still in
charge of AV support I would recommend replacing them with Blu Ray where
possible (save for the combo decks that I would try to replace with same
for certain teachers) and we would then have the ability to play both DVD
and Blu Ray and we would be spending per deck around the same amount of
money we had paid for the original DVD decks back when they were the big up
and coming super technology of a new generation.

Blu Ray is actually great and I love it and I would recommend it for across
campus use if I was holding the purse strings.  In a somewhat related sense
I'm noticing that a lot of the newer cameras teachers are using for
archival video, student projects, and distance learning will only film in
the AVCHD (I believe that's what it is) format, which will only play on Blu
Ray decks.  That tells me that Blu Ray is an important technology that will
be around for a good deal of time and, since it can play DVD already, can
play our substantial DVD collection with no problems and make way for all
the newer titles that may only be available on Blu Ray (big studio titles,
obviously, but maybe some independent filmmakers will film in AVCHD.)

I have recommended to Library administration that we purchase a third Blu
Ray deck for checkout to teachers but I've been told repeatedly that such a
thing would be IT's responsibility--which I understand but they won't do
it.  We also do not have enough Blu Ray titles in our collection to warrant
such an action, so I've been told (although I'm the person who hears all
the complaints from teachers who can't play videos because IT refuses to
install anything that will allow them to play what they want and I just
want to be helpful dang it!)  Many people also remember the days when I
nearly killed myself to get them anything and everything they needed for
classroom support so they hope I can do something, which I really can't
anymore.

So the main problem I have with Blu Ray is that those who are in charge of
our "smart rooms" on campus have no faith in it (or in anything save for a
non existent technology that may or may not come to fruition within two
years' time.)  I would prefer to concentrate on an existing technology that
is proven and will play our collection NOW so that our teachers can have
all the media they need for their classes so, if given the choice, I would
love to have Blu Ray players replace our aging DVD players that are still
installed in our older smart rooms--and I would try to put them in the
rooms that currently have nothing but a wall plate!  That would still give
us many years 

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Jessica Rosner]

Producers have all the rights in perpetuity but I don't think they want to
manage their own streaming and certainly don't want to sub license it so I
suspect it will only work for schools that stream on their own system but I
agree that streaming should be better for schools that can do it.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bob Norris  wrote:

> If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard
> copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away.
>
> Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica?
>
> Bob
>
> *Robert A. Norris*
> Managing Director
> Film Ideas, Inc.
> Phone: (847) 419-0255
> Email: b...@filmideas.com
> Web: www.filmideas.com
>
>
> *From: *Meghann Matwichuk 
> *Date: *October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT
> *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions*
> *Reply-To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>
>
>  Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the
> same take as Mr. Moorman's.  The Library is not given input into how
> classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported.  Few
> classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the
> Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis.  If we were
> to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause
> problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the
> title.
>
> --
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Film and Video Collection Department
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Bob Norris]

If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, 
no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. 

Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica?

Bob

Robert A. Norris
Managing Director
Film Ideas, Inc.
Phone:  (847) 419-0255
Email:  b...@filmideas.com
Web:www.filmideas.com

> 
> From: Meghann Matwichuk 
> Date: October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
> Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> 
> 
> Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same 
> take as Mr. Moorman's.  The Library is not given input into how classrooms 
> are outfitted or what technologies are supported.  Few classrooms are 
> currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not 
> purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis.  If we were to purchase a 
> Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many 
> patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title.  
> 
> -- 
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Film and Video Collection Department
> Morris Library, University of Delaware

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the 
same take as Mr. Moorman's.  The Library is not given input into how 
classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few 
classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the 
Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis.  If we 
were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would 
cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in 
the title.


--
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 10/22/2013 1:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

Thanks Josh
Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course 
common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas 
not common at all for "educational video" My film is basically both 
and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format 
visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors 
in certain fields but not much in film studies.


Thanks again for the info.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman > wrote:


Jessica,

The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have
blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred
medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and
audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've /never/
needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm
pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag
them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're
really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the
players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick
turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to
not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays
but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray
versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo
packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards.

*Josh Moorman*
*Head Librarian*
*New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
*Robert K. Hartman Library*
*josh.moor...@nyfa.edu *
*(818) 295-2021 *


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner
mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to
know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic
project I have been making cryptic references to and for
complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of
research I would assume most students and most libraries have
reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player
or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it
really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom (
to make this even more complicated the part of this collection
most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD).

Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats
on this material though it will be available for streaming for
those schools who can do their own.


-- 
Jessica Rosner

Media Consultant
224-545-3897  (cell)
212-627-1785  (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com 

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
current and evolving video formats in libraries and related
institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
channel of communication between libraries,educational
institutions, and video producers and distributors.






VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion
of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
current and evolving video formats in libraries and related
institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and
video producers and distributors.




VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Jessica Rosner]

Thanks Josh
Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for
feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at
all for "educational video" My film is basically both and the producers
wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market
is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in
film studies.

Thanks again for the info.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman  wrote:

> Jessica,
>
> The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray
> players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs.
> In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that
> in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to
> scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray
> collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a
> movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does
> upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a
> quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not
> only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's
> given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority
> (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully
> some of that helps. Best regards.
>
> *Josh Moorman*
> *Head Librarian*
> *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
> *Robert K. Hartman Library*
> *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu*
> *(818) 295-2021*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner  > wrote:
>
>> I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much
>> a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making
>> cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray
>> only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries
>> have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a
>> laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that
>> difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more
>> complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class
>> will be available on DVD).
>>
>> Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this
>> material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who
>> can do their own.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Media Consultant
>> 224-545-3897 (cell)
>> 212-627-1785 (land line)
>> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions

[Josh Moorman]

Jessica,

The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray
players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs.
In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that
in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to
scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray
collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a
movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does
upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a
quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not
only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's
given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority
(although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully
some of that helps. Best regards.

*Josh Moorman*
*Head Librarian*
*New York Film Academy - Los Angeles*
*Robert K. Hartman Library*
*josh.moor...@nyfa.edu*
*(818) 295-2021*



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner
wrote:

> I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a
> problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making
> cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray
> only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries
> have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a
> laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that
> difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more
> complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class
> will be available on DVD).
>
> Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this
> material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who
> can do their own.
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Susan Albrecht]

Ha, I hear you, Dennis!  My daughter and I drove 2800 miles last week, seeing 8 
campuses in 9 days!  (Yes, I am STILL exhausted.)

I concur about the amount of time spent talking about a cappella groups, 
although athletics weren't necessarily stressed at EACH of the places we 
visited, and I was pleased how much time was spent discussing undergraduate 
research opportunities and study abroad.  Most distressing to me was the almost 
callous dismissal of the library as a topic of conversation at one (very fine) 
institution.  There was a tour guide trainee in our group, and I quietly 
suggested to her that SHE might want to spend a little more time on the library 
and media center, perhaps even deigning to go INSIDE.  *grumble grumble*

Looking back on those visits, I realize that Dennis is right - really, no one 
specifically discussed AV services!  A few mentioned IT, most stressed and 
featured the library/libraries, but there wasn't much reference at all to film 
or AV services.

As for my favorite offering of last week, Haverford College's library is TO DIE 
FOR, in terms of a setting.  Sterling at Yale was stunning, too.  My biggest 
gripe, outside the lack of mention of AV and media, is why architects seem so 
committed to making science buildings so stinking ugly.

Susan at Wabash


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:51 PM
To: Video Library questions
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

I agree with everything said here. And just my thoughts after visiting four 
colleges this week with our son...

I can see that Admissions is far more likely to talk about their professors 
actually teaching courses and the breath of their offerings than the quality of 
their AV department (though in reality more time was spent actually -- I kid 
you now -- on talking about their college athletic programs and the VAST number 
of a cappella clubs) but since tuition is now well over $50,000 at almost all 
of the private colleges, I would hope that colleges could afford more money for 
their AV services to match the academic excellence they are promising to 
prospective parents. Even if it's a 20-minute documentary on the Hubble Space 
Telescope for an astro-physics lab, I can see where there would be a huge 
importance to the projection technology.

Y'all may cut and paste to send to your university presidents. ;-)  As for my 
favorite offering this week, MIT does have the opportunity to get a Pirate's 
certificate for passing classes on pistols, fencing, sailing and archery. Beats 
a Bachelor's from Ohio U, I'm afraid. ;-)

Dennis

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Meghann Matwichuk 
mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>> wrote:
I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where there is 
a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many shots -- you really 
are getting more information with Bluray in some cases.  Take a look at The 
Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for that matter) for examples.  Someone 
who is studying film is much better served by the Blu-ray format.  I think it's 
important to remember that it's not just a matter of preference for some -- may 
not be crucial for most, but for some it is.

Best,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote:

We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University.  We have one machine in 
our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library 
to view films like we have VHS and DVD players.  We bought a few combo packs 
because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a 
film.  We have 11 so far.  I personally love Blu-ray at home.  After years of 
waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last 
December and finally get the difference.  Nothing matches the clarity of the 
picture.  The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a 
lot.  You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before.  I 
did that with White Christmas.



But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market 
changes and items only come out on Blu-ray.  Right now I'm trying to 
continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming 
services.



Philip



Philip Bahr

Reference & Media Librarian



DiMenna-Nyselius Library

Fairfield University

1073 North Benson Road

Fairfield, CT 06824



203-254-4206

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Dennis Doros]

I agree with everything said here. And just my thoughts after visiting four
colleges this week with our son...

I can see that Admissions is far more likely to talk about their professors
actually teaching courses and the breath of their offerings than the
quality of their AV department (though in reality more time was spent
actually -- I kid you now -- on talking about their college athletic
programs and the VAST number of *a cappella *clubs) but since tuition is
now well over $50,000 at almost all of the private colleges, I would hope
that colleges could afford more money for their AV services to match the
academic excellence they are promising to prospective parents. Even if it's
a 20-minute documentary on the Hubble Space Telescope for an astro-physics
lab, I can see where there would be a huge importance to the projection
technology.

Y'all may cut and paste to send to your university presidents. ;-)  As for
my favorite offering this week, MIT does have the opportunity to get a
Pirate's certificate for passing classes on pistols, fencing, sailing and
archery. Beats a Bachelor's from Ohio U, I'm afraid. ;-)

Dennis


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Meghann Matwichuk  wrote:

>  I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where
> there is a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many shots
> -- you really are getting more information with Bluray in some cases.  Take
> a look at The Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for that matter) for
> examples.  Someone who is studying film is much better served by the
> Blu-ray format.  I think it's important to remember that it's not just a
> matter of preference for some -- may not be crucial for most, but for some
> it is.
>
> Best,
>
> *
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Film and Video Collection Department
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717
> (302) 831-1475
> http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
> On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote:
>
> We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University.  We have one machine 
> in our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the 
> library to view films like we have VHS and DVD players.  We bought a few 
> combo packs because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only 
> release of a film.  We have 11 so far.  I personally love Blu-ray at home.  
> After years of waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray 
> player last December and finally get the difference.  Nothing matches the 
> clarity of the picture.  The best way to make the comparison is to watch a 
> film you've seen a lot.  You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've 
> never noticed before.  I did that with White Christmas.
>
> But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market 
> changes and items only come out on Blu-ray.  Right now I'm trying to 
> continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming 
> services.
>
> Philip
>
> Philip Bahr
> Reference & Media Librarian
>
> DiMenna-Nyselius Library
> Fairfield University
> 1073 North Benson Road
> Fairfield, CT 06824
> 203-254-4206pb...@fairfield.edu
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700
> From: Susan Weber  
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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> My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, 
> although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 
> for student access in mini=theatres in the Library).
>
> When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue 
> record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we 
> have equip. to play it.
> I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is 
> the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the 
> number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray.
>
> Susan
>
> Susan Weber
>
> Media Librarian
> Library
> T  604.323.5533
> F  604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca <mailto:Susan  Weber 
>  >
>
> Langara. <http://www.langara.bc.ca> <http://www.langara.bc.ca>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Meghann Matwichuk]

I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where 
there is a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many 
shots -- you really are getting more information with Bluray in some 
cases.  Take a look at The Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for 
that matter) for examples.  Someone who is studying film is much better 
served by the Blu-ray format.  I think it's important to remember that 
it's not just a matter of preference for some -- may not be crucial for 
most, but for some it is.


Best,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote:

We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University.  We have one machine in 
our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library 
to view films like we have VHS and DVD players.  We bought a few combo packs 
because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a 
film.  We have 11 so far.  I personally love Blu-ray at home.  After years of 
waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last 
December and finally get the difference.  Nothing matches the clarity of the 
picture.  The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a 
lot.  You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before.  I 
did that with White Christmas.

But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market 
changes and items only come out on Blu-ray.  Right now I'm trying to 
continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming 
services.

Philip

Philip Bahr
Reference & Media Librarian

DiMenna-Nyselius Library
Fairfield University
1073 North Benson Road
Fairfield, CT 06824

203-254-4206
pb...@fairfield.edu




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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700
From: Susan Weber 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, 
although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 
for student access in mini=theatres in the Library).

When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue 
record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have 
equip. to play it.
I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is 
the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the 
number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray.

Susan

Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
swe...@langara.bc.ca <mailto:Susan Weber >

Langara. <http://www.langara.bc.ca>

100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6

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On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote:

Hi, Gail.  As we're currently trying to update our collection and get
rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all.
   Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if
a title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy.
If it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD.
   So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles.  If we did
get a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not
currently have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that
format unless it's as part of a combo pack.

Deb Distante
Mt. San Antonio College Library
1100 N. Grand Ave.
Walnut, CA  91789
909-274-4285
ddista...@mtsac.edu


From:   "Gail Gawlik" 
To: 
Date:   04/08/2013 11:32 AM
Subject:[Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu


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Hi, wise media people.

We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are
wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we
have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is
only available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic
libraries handle this new-ish format.

In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a
special request?
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DV

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Bahr, Philip]

We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University.  We have one machine in 
our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library 
to view films like we have VHS and DVD players.  We bought a few combo packs 
because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a 
film.  We have 11 so far.  I personally love Blu-ray at home.  After years of 
waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last 
December and finally get the difference.  Nothing matches the clarity of the 
picture.  The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a 
lot.  You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before.  I 
did that with White Christmas.  

But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market 
changes and items only come out on Blu-ray.  Right now I'm trying to 
continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming 
services.

Philip

Philip Bahr
Reference & Media Librarian

DiMenna-Nyselius Library
Fairfield University
1073 North Benson Road
Fairfield, CT 06824

203-254-4206
pb...@fairfield.edu




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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700
From: Susan Weber 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, 
although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 
for student access in mini=theatres in the Library).

When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue 
record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have 
equip. to play it.
I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is 
the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the 
number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray.

Susan

Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
swe...@langara.bc.ca <mailto:Susan Weber >

Langara. <http://www.langara.bc.ca>

100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6

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On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote:
> Hi, Gail.  As we're currently trying to update our collection and get 
> rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all.
>   Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if 
> a title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy.  
> If it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD.
>   So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles.  If we did 
> get a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not 
> currently have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that 
> format unless it's as part of a combo pack.
>
> Deb Distante
> Mt. San Antonio College Library
> 1100 N. Grand Ave.
> Walnut, CA  91789
> 909-274-4285
> ddista...@mtsac.edu
>
>
> From: "Gail Gawlik" 
> To:   
> Date: 04/08/2013 11:32 AM
> Subject:  [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
> Sent by:  videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>
>
> --
> --
>
>
>
> Hi, wise media people.
>
> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are 
> wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we 
> have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is 
> only available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic 
> libraries handle this new-ish format.
>
> In particular:
> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a 
> special request?
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
>   (They look like a pretty good deal.)
>
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the 
> near future?
>
> Thanks!
> Gail
>
>
>
> Gail Gawlik
> Head of Technical Services
> Brown Library
> University of St. Francis
> Joliet, IL
>
> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.VIDEOLIB is intended to 
> encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the 
> selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evol

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Michael May]

One of Gail's questions is, "And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to 
replace DVDs in the near future?"

>From an August 2012 USA Today article: "Household penetration of Blu-ray 'has 
>not occurred as quickly as the industry had predicted, but it still continues 
>to have double-digit increases,' says Matthew Lieberman of 
>PricewaterhouseCoopers. The consulting firm expects Blu-ray movie disc sales 
>will surpass DVDs by 2015." http://usat.ly/XsI3tv

The article also says, "Studios are not prepared to publicly write off physical 
media  Whatever streaming's effect on Blu-ray, Hollywood is backing the 
discs for the foreseeable future." 

Of course this article isn't about films made for academic markets, but it 
might be relevant if you're buying box office hits by major studios.

Michael May
Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque


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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Gawlik
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:26 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

Hi, wise media people.
 
We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering 
what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have only purchased 
DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format.  
We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format.  
 
In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request?  
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)
 
And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future?
 
Thanks!
Gail
 
 
 
Gail Gawlik
Head of Technical Services
Brown Library
University of St. Francis
Joliet, IL
 
Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Susan Weber]

My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, 
although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services 
and 2 for student access in mini=theatres in the Library).

When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our 
catalogue record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at 
least until we have equip. to play it.
I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market 
really is the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for 
education, and the number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray.

Susan

Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
swe...@langara.bc.ca 

Langara. 

100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6

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On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote:
> Hi, Gail.  As we're currently trying to update our collection and get
> rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all.
>   Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if a
> title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy.  If
> it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD.
>   So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles.  If we did get
> a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not currently
> have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that format unless
> it's as part of a combo pack.
>
> Deb Distante
> Mt. San Antonio College Library
> 1100 N. Grand Ave.
> Walnut, CA  91789
> 909-274-4285
> ddista...@mtsac.edu
>
>
> From: "Gail Gawlik" 
> To:   
> Date: 04/08/2013 11:32 AM
> Subject:  [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
> Sent by:  videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Hi, wise media people.
>
> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are
> wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we
> have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only
> available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic
> libraries handle this new-ish format.
>
> In particular:
> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special
> request?
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
>   (They look like a pretty good deal.)
>
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near
> future?
>
> Thanks!
> Gail
>
>
>
> Gail Gawlik
> Head of Technical Services
> Brown Library
> University of St. Francis
> Joliet, IL
>
> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.VIDEOLIB is intended to
> encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the
> selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation,
> and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related
> institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Deb Distante]

Hi, Gail.  As we're currently trying to update our collection and get rid 
of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all.  Although 
we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if a title is 
available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy.  If it's only 
available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD.  So far, we 
haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles.  If we did get a request, I 
would probably tell them that since we do not currently have Blu-ray 
players on campus, we do not collect in that format unless it's as part of 
a combo pack.

Deb Distante
Mt. San Antonio College Library
1100 N. Grand Ave.
Walnut, CA  91789
909-274-4285
ddista...@mtsac.edu



From:
"Gail Gawlik" 
To:

Date:
04/08/2013 11:32 AM
Subject:
[Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
Sent by:
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu



Hi, wise media people.
 
We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are 
wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have 
only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only 
available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic libraries 
handle this new-ish format. 
 
In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request? 
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)
 
And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near 
future?
 
Thanks!
Gail
 
 
 
Gail Gawlik
Head of Technical Services
Brown Library
University of St. Francis
Joliet, IL
 
Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.VIDEOLIB is intended to 
encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the 
selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, 
and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related 
institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working 
tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Delin, Peter]

Dear Gail,

when it comes to public performance blu-ray should be considered. The 
last three titles I have seen on blu-ray from our library stock were:

- Heaven's Gate
http://www.criterion.com/films/28036-heaven-s-gate

- The River
http://www.carlottavod.com/film-682-fleuve-le.html

- The Passenger
http://www.unitel.de/en/product/do/detail.html?id=2967

To all of these you can take for sure: If you compare the DVD- und 
blu-ray edition being projected it's not the same film. The colors in 
Renoir's "The River" are quite different in both formats. Sound is also 
an issue. The music of Mieczyslaw Weinberg in "The Passenger" is mind 
blowing. Anyway if you see "The Passenger" on blu-ray you will never forget.

So for film and music departments blu-ray is an important medium. And 
more and more documentaries are published on blu-ray, too.

Concearning public performance rights even as a public library we can 
buy licenses, also umbrella licenses for one year, and are allowed to 
use many of our own discs for projection.

Best
Peter

Zentral- und Landesbibliothek Berlin
http://www.zlb.de/wissensgebiete/kunst_buehne_medien/videos

Am 08.04.2013 20:25, schrieb Gail Gawlik:
> Hi, wise media people.
> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are
> wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have
> only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only
> available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries
> handle this new-ish format.
> In particular:
> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special
> request?
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
> (They look like a pretty good deal.)
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near
> future?
> Thanks!
> Gail
> Gail Gawlik
> Head of Technical Services
> Brown Library
> University of St. Francis
> Joliet, IL
> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Nellie J Chenault]

I echo Rue and Meghan's comments.  In the last 5 years or so we have only
collected 126 Blu-Rays.

Our library tries to be a central location for new technology and for the
university community to find equipment not available within their
departments.  We are currently trying 3-D technology, with equipment in one
of our group viewing rooms and a few titles within the collection.

For Blu-Ray and 3-D, we try to also have a standard DVD version available
for most of community.  It is important for the format information to be
available at the brief / list version of the searches so that folks don't
assume that we have the format needed and then show up to find an unusable
disc!

We do try to keep up with new equipment availability across campus.  Only a
few departments have Blu-Ray players (film studies, dance).  Some
departments with players do not have equipment which projects HD!  We some
equipment within the library.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Karsten, Eileen
wrote:

>  Dear Gail,
>
> ** **
>
>  1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special
> request?  *We only buy them on special request.*
>
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? *No,
> we do not unless requested to do so.*
>
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
> (They look like a pretty good deal.)  *We only buy them when they are the
> only option.  ***
>
> ** **
>
> *We have a very limited budget.Besides the equipment question,
> Blu-rays cost on average $10.00 more than standard DVD.  If we bought all
> or a large percentage of our films in Blu-ray, it would nearly cut our
> media budget in half.*
>
>  
>
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near
> future?  *I have given up trying to predict the next trend.  ***
>
> * *
>
> *I hope this helps.*
>
> * *
>
> *Sincerely,*
>
> * *
>
> ** **
>
> Eileen Karsten
>
> Head of Technical Services
>
> Donnelley & Lee Library
>
> Lake Forest College
>
> 555 N. Sheridan Road 
>
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
>
> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu 
>
> 847-735-5066
>
> ** **
>
> * *
>
>  
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Walt Lessun]

At Gogebic we solved the problem when our Dean of BS eliminated our AV 
materials budget.  No problem, he also eliminated our equipment maintenance 
budget and our equipment budget.  As current materials and equipment wear out, 
we do not replace.


Walter Lessun, MSLS, MBA
Director
Learning Resources and Instructional Technology Centers
Gogebic Community College
High Tech and Affordable:  Your Superior Educational Choice
http://www.gogebic.edu/library
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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Karsten, Eileen
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:04 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

Dear Gail,

1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request?  We only buy them on special request.
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? No, we do 
not unless requested to do so.
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)  We only buy them when they are the only option.

We have a very limited budget.Besides the equipment question, Blu-rays cost 
on average $10.00 more than standard DVD.  If we bought all or a large 
percentage of our films in Blu-ray, it would nearly cut our media budget in 
half.

And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near 
future?  I have given up trying to predict the next trend.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,


Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu<mailto:kars...@lakeforest.edu>
847-735-5066



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Karsten, Eileen]

Dear Gail,

1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request?  We only buy them on special request.
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? No, we do 
not unless requested to do so.
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)  We only buy them when they are the only option.

We have a very limited budget.Besides the equipment question, Blu-rays cost 
on average $10.00 more than standard DVD.  If we bought all or a large 
percentage of our films in Blu-ray, it would nearly cut our media budget in 
half.

And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near 
future?  I have given up trying to predict the next trend.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,


Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu
847-735-5066



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Bob Norris]

I agree with Junior. I've wagered my 2 cents that Blu-ray will not have time to 
replace DVD because streaming will obsolete both first. Why not put limited 
funds into a streaming platform instead of Blu-ray? Unless it is for film 
studies, students can suffer through a standard def version of Life of Pi. And 
they don't need gourmet meals either!! (Says a father with 2 children in 
college.)

Robert A. Norris
Managing Director
Film Ideas, Inc.
Phone:  (847) 419-0255
Email:  b...@filmideas.com
Web:www.filmideas.com

>   2. Blu-ray discs in academic libraries (Gail Gawlik)
> 
> Hi, wise media people.
>  
> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering 
> what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have only 
> purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in 
> that format.  We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this 
> new-ish format. 
>  
> In particular:
> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
> request? 
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
> look like a pretty good deal.)
>  
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near 
> future?
>  
> Thanks!
> Gail
>  
>  
>  
> Gail Gawlik
> Head of Technical Services
> Brown Library
> University of St. Francis
> Joliet, IL
>  
> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.
> 
> From: "Junior Tidal" 
> Date: April 8, 2013 1:47:39 PM CDT
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
> Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> 
> 
> We've been building a blu-ray collection since the summer last year. 
> 
> We usually order the blu-ray version of most newer films and not the DVD. 
> Sometimes we find that the DVD/blu-ray combo packs are a comparable price to 
> the single Blu-ray discs. 
> 
> I don't know if blu-ray will ever replace DVD. My personal opinion is that 
> streaming media will probably replace both those formats. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Junior Tidal
> Assistant Professor
> Web Services and Multimedia Librarian
> New York City College of Technology, CUNY 
> 300 Jay Street, Rm A434
> Brooklyn, NY 11201
> 718.260.5481
> 
> http://library.citytech.cuny.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Jessica Rosner]

Well you can take those huge Shirley Clarke profits and buy one. Some day I
will buy a DVD player and I guess it might get Blu ray. However I remain a
happy luddite


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's a coincidence that VidLib
> is talking about DVD and BluRay today, since an announcement was just made
> today by Sony. To really piss everybody off (except for me because I'm
> dying to see THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI this way), see what's coming out
> this month:
>
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/07/5323213/sony-announces-price-and-availability.html
> http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A
>
> Dennis
> Milestone Film & Video
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM, McKenzie, Rue  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> For now, I’m doing a little bit of all three of the below options.  Some
>> faculty, particularly Film Studies, are specifically requesting Blu-ray,
>> and I will purchase both Blu-ray and DVD for those titles.  But really the
>> Blu-ray preference has not been very strong overall.  I agree that the
>> combos, when available, are a nice option.
>>
>> I have to keep in consideration the equipment availability on campus.
>> Right now our budget is such that we (the Library) can’t really request
>> Blu-ray playback equipment.  Some of the classrooms have been updated to
>> have these players, but many haven’t.  I’m sure that’s coming, and I see no
>> reason why, as we replace DVD players, we wouldn’t purchase Blu-ray
>> players.  The snag with that view is that in general, there is a strong
>> reliance on the DVD players within all the PCs, both in the Library and
>> many of the classrooms, rather than standalone players.
>>
>> I don’t think Blu-ray will ever completely replace DVD if for no other
>> reason than existing content availability, but we are already seeing some
>> titles only released as Blu-ray, at least initially.  That makes me think
>> we should be prepared to support Blu-ray to some extent sooner rather than
>> later.
>>
>> *Rue McKenzie*
>> Coordinator of Media Collections
>> Academic Resources
>> University of South Florida, Tampa Library
>> 813-974-6342 / rmcken...@usf.edu
>>
>> *"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how
>> much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and
>> what you don't."--Anatole France*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Gail Gawlik
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 2:26 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi, wise media people.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are
>> wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have
>> only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only
>> available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic libraries
>> handle this new-ish format.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> In particular:
>>
>> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special
>> request?  
>>
>> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
>>
>> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
>> (They look like a pretty good deal.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near
>> future?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gail
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gail Gawlik
>>
>> Head of Technical Services
>>
>> Brown Library
>>
>> University of St. Francis
>>
>> Joliet, IL
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluat

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Dennis Doros]

Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's a coincidence that VidLib
is talking about DVD and BluRay today, since an announcement was just made
today by Sony. To really piss everybody off (except for me because I'm
dying to see THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI this way), see what's coming out
this month:

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/07/5323213/sony-announces-price-and-availability.html
http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A

Dennis
Milestone Film & Video


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM, McKenzie, Rue  wrote:

> 
>
> For now, I’m doing a little bit of all three of the below options.  Some
> faculty, particularly Film Studies, are specifically requesting Blu-ray,
> and I will purchase both Blu-ray and DVD for those titles.  But really the
> Blu-ray preference has not been very strong overall.  I agree that the
> combos, when available, are a nice option.
>
> I have to keep in consideration the equipment availability on campus.
> Right now our budget is such that we (the Library) can’t really request
> Blu-ray playback equipment.  Some of the classrooms have been updated to
> have these players, but many haven’t.  I’m sure that’s coming, and I see no
> reason why, as we replace DVD players, we wouldn’t purchase Blu-ray
> players.  The snag with that view is that in general, there is a strong
> reliance on the DVD players within all the PCs, both in the Library and
> many of the classrooms, rather than standalone players.
>
> I don’t think Blu-ray will ever completely replace DVD if for no other
> reason than existing content availability, but we are already seeing some
> titles only released as Blu-ray, at least initially.  That makes me think
> we should be prepared to support Blu-ray to some extent sooner rather than
> later.
>
> *Rue McKenzie*
> Coordinator of Media Collections
> Academic Resources
> University of South Florida, Tampa Library
> 813-974-6342 / rmcken...@usf.edu
>
> *"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how
> much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and
> what you don't."--Anatole France*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Gail Gawlik
> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 2:26 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
>
> ** **
>
> Hi, wise media people.
>
>  
>
> We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are
> wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have
> only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only
> available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic libraries
> handle this new-ish format.  
>
>  
>
> In particular:
>
> 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special
> request?  
>
> 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
>
> 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?
> (They look like a pretty good deal.)
>
>  
>
> And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near
> future?
>
>  
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gail
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Gail Gawlik
>
> Head of Technical Services
>
> Brown Library
>
> University of St. Francis
>
> Joliet, IL
>
>  
>
> Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[McKenzie, Rue]

For now, I'm doing a little bit of all three of the below options.  Some 
faculty, particularly Film Studies, are specifically requesting Blu-ray, and I 
will purchase both Blu-ray and DVD for those titles.  But really the Blu-ray 
preference has not been very strong overall.  I agree that the combos, when 
available, are a nice option.
I have to keep in consideration the equipment availability on campus.  Right 
now our budget is such that we (the Library) can't really request Blu-ray 
playback equipment.  Some of the classrooms have been updated to have these 
players, but many haven't.  I'm sure that's coming, and I see no reason why, as 
we replace DVD players, we wouldn't purchase Blu-ray players.  The snag with 
that view is that in general, there is a strong reliance on the DVD players 
within all the PCs, both in the Library and many of the classrooms, rather than 
standalone players.
I don't think Blu-ray will ever completely replace DVD if for no other reason 
than existing content availability, but we are already seeing some titles only 
released as Blu-ray, at least initially.  That makes me think we should be 
prepared to support Blu-ray to some extent sooner rather than later.
Rue McKenzie
Coordinator of Media Collections
Academic Resources
University of South Florida, Tampa Library
813-974-6342 / rmcken...@usf.edu
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you 
know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you 
don't."--Anatole France

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Gawlik
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:26 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

Hi, wise media people.

We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering 
what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have only purchased 
DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format.  
We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format.

In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request?
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)

And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future?

Thanks!
Gail



Gail Gawlik
Head of Technical Services
Brown Library
University of St. Francis
Joliet, IL

Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Junior Tidal]

We've been building a blu-ray collection since the summer last year. 

We usually order the blu-ray version of most newer films and not the DVD. 
Sometimes we find that the DVD/blu-ray combo packs are a comparable price to 
the single Blu-ray discs. 

I don't know if blu-ray will ever replace DVD. My personal opinion is that 
streaming media will probably replace both those formats. 

Best,

Junior Tidal
Assistant Professor
Web Services and Multimedia Librarian
New York City College of Technology, CUNY 
300 Jay Street, Rm A434
Brooklyn, NY 11201
718.260.5481
 
http://library.citytech.cuny.edu


>>> "Gail Gawlik"  4/8/2013 2:25 PM >>>
Hi, wise media people.
 
We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering 
what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we have only purchased 
DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format.  
We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format.  
 
In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special 
request?  
2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  (They 
look like a pretty good deal.)
 
And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future?
 
Thanks!
Gail
 
 
 
Gail Gawlik
Head of Technical Services
Brown Library
University of St. Francis
Joliet, IL
 
Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Hello Gail,

1) We order Blu-ray discs for the collection when we anticipate that a 
dvd will be heavily used / very popular (recent awards titles like 
Argo), if they are extremely visual (Samsara, Planet Earth), or a little 
of both (Life of Pi).


2) Yes, we always try to get a standard definition copy of titles we 
purchase on Blu-ray in the collection.  There just aren't anywhere near 
enough patrons or classrooms outfitted with Blu-ray technology to 
justify a wholesale transition away from standard def.


3) We don't go out of our way to buy the combo-packs, because 
unfortunately we're not able to request 'special' cataloging for 
multi-part sets.  But, there are some distributors / studios who are 
only releasing certain films as combo-packs (Sony Pictures Classics 
comes to mind, such as the film Margaret).  In these cases it will only 
appear at first glance that we have the Blu-ray in our collection, even 
when there is a standard-def disc included in the packaging.  We have to 
make a special effort to train our desk staff and patrons to look for 
the content note in these instances. Combo-packs are also a nice bonus 
when we have particularly high demand for a title.  For instance, we 
have two standard definition copies of Argo, and one Blu-ray 
combo-pack.  If the two standard-def DVDs are checked out, we can 
accommodate a third patron who doesn't have a Blu-ray player with the 
Blu-ray disc, thanks to the 'bonus' standard-def disc that's included.


Hope this helps,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo



On 4/8/2013 2:25 PM, Gail Gawlik wrote:

Hi, wise media people.
We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are 
wondering what other academic libraries are doing.  Up until now, we 
have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is 
only available in that format.  We were wondering how other academic 
libraries handle this new-ish format.

In particular:
1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a 
special request?

2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD?
2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can?  
(They look like a pretty good deal.)
And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the 
near future?

Thanks!
Gail
Gail Gawlik
Head of Technical Services
Brown Library
University of St. Francis
Joliet, IL
Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos

[ghandman]

We use them as cocktail coasters...

gary handman


> We are giving ours away in a drawing at all staff meetings or teen
> programs.
>
> kc
>
>
>
> Kim Crowley, Director
> Flathead County Library System
> 247 First Ave E
> Kalispell, MT 59901  Phone: 406.758.5826
> kcrow...@flathead.mt.gov
>
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> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Mcalister, Leah
> [lrmcalis...@semo.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:16 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos
>
> Hi!
>
> My library has recently started purchasing a few movies that have come in
> combo packs with a blu-ray, DVD, and digital copy. For those that have
> also run across this, what, if anything, do you do with the digital copy?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Leah McAlister
> Instructional Materials Supervisor
> Information Services
> Kent Library  MS4600
> Southeast Missouri State University
> One University Plaza
> Cape Girardeau MO  63701
> (573) 651-2708
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos

[Kim Crowley]

We are giving ours away in a drawing at all staff meetings or teen programs.

kc



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Flathead County Library System
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Kalispell, MT 59901  Phone: 406.758.5826
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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of Mcalister, Leah [lrmcalis...@semo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:16 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos

Hi!

My library has recently started purchasing a few movies that have come in combo 
packs with a blu-ray, DVD, and digital copy. For those that have also run 
across this, what, if anything, do you do with the digital copy?

Thanks,

Leah McAlister
Instructional Materials Supervisor
Information Services
Kent Library  MS4600
Southeast Missouri State University
One University Plaza
Cape Girardeau MO  63701
(573) 651-2708



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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

[ghandman]

Nah...

Nothing in the copyright law that would prevent you.  Once you bought it
(under the terms of the First Sale doctrine) you can pretty much use the
discs it as a coasters, pocket mirrors, or frisbees if you want to.

gary handman



> Hi,
>
>I was under the impression that we could not seperate combo packs
> because that would violate copyright law. Am I wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julia Churchill
> Oak Lawn Public Library
> Oak Lawn Illinois
>
> 
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Paula Manzella
> [pmanz...@bcls.lib.nj.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
>
> Hi,
>
>Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations,
> Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways.  For the branch
> libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib
> record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made
> to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and
> because of the replacement cost issues.   Some of the smaller "member"
> libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs
> as is.  Each member library purchases their material and controls their
> own collection.
>
>At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD
> collection and each is housed in a security box.  Right now, only four
> of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing
> something different for security.  One branch pulls all the discs and
> holds behind the circ desk.  Another uses the security cases and a two
> leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs.
>
> Best,
> Paula
> Burlington County Library
>
>
> Anna Goslen wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you
>> handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD
>> together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do,
>> and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Anna Goslen
>> Technical Services Specialist
>> Swarthmore College Library
>> (610) 690-5733
>> agosl...@swarthmore.edu
>>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

[Julia Churchill]

Hi,

   I was under the impression that we could not seperate combo packs because 
that would violate copyright law. Am I wrong?

Thanks,

Julia Churchill
Oak Lawn Public Library
Oak Lawn Illinois


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of Paula Manzella [pmanz...@bcls.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

Hi,

   Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations,
Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways.  For the branch
libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib
record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made
to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and
because of the replacement cost issues.   Some of the smaller "member"
libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs
as is.  Each member library purchases their material and controls their
own collection.

   At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD
collection and each is housed in a security box.  Right now, only four
of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing
something different for security.  One branch pulls all the discs and
holds behind the circ desk.  Another uses the security cases and a two
leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs.

Best,
Paula
Burlington County Library


Anna Goslen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle 
> Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do 
> you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you 
> found to be the advantages and disadvantages?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Anna Goslen
> Technical Services Specialist
> Swarthmore College Library
> (610) 690-5733
> agosl...@swarthmore.edu
>

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

[Paula Manzella]

Hi, 

   Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations, 
Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways.  For the branch 
libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib 
record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made 
to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and 
because of the replacement cost issues.   Some of the smaller "member" 
libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs 
as is.  Each member library purchases their material and controls their 
own collection.

   At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD 
collection and each is housed in a security box.  Right now, only four 
of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing 
something different for security.  One branch pulls all the discs and 
holds behind the circ desk.  Another uses the security cases and a two 
leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs.
 
Best,
Paula
Burlington County Library


Anna Goslen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle 
> Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do 
> you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you 
> found to be the advantages and disadvantages?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Anna Goslen
> Technical Services Specialist
> Swarthmore College Library
> (610) 690-5733
> agosl...@swarthmore.edu
>   

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

[Lori Espinoza]

We separate ours into different cases. There are still many of our 
students/faculty/community who do not have a Blu-ray player. This way if 
someone wanted the Blu-ray they would not have both formats checked out 
at the same time. The DVD is then available for someone else to use in 
the mean time and vice versa. We do not have a large collection though 
and they are kept in their own area out in the stacks available for 
browsing.


Lori Espinoza
Paradise Valley Community College Library

On 1/19/2012 8:13 AM, Anna Goslen wrote:

Hello,

For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle 
Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do 
you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you 
found to be the advantages and disadvantages?

Thanks in advance.

Anna Goslen
Technical Services Specialist
Swarthmore College Library
(610) 690-5733
agosl...@swarthmore.edu


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
<>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Hello Anna,

We (University of Delaware Library) have a small collection of Blurays 
(appx. 100, vs our 10,000+ collection of standard DVDs).  When 
purchasing Blurays, I make sure we also have a separate, standalone 
standard version when possible -- only exceptions so far are those only 
released in the Bluray/DVD combo packs (Tree of Life, Barney's Version, 
Another Earth, etc.)  We do not break up Bluray / DVD combos, and try to 
teach our student desk attendants and patrons to check the Bluray 
records for indications that a standard disc is packaged with it when 
that's the case.  This decision was made primarily due to the 
complications in breaking up a set, in part due to how our items are 
cataloged (Film and Video Collection staff are not able to request 
special handling of our items from Bib. Control).


Our materials are held in a closed stacks environment, and rely on our 
online catalogs to find media.


Advantages:  Because most of our Blurays also exist in our collection as 
standalone standard discs, and most of our 'regulars' know that some 
Blurays are packaged with standard discs, I don't think most patrons who 
do not have Bluray access aren't able to find what they need.  We're 
able to keep the original packaging, and avoid extra use of shelf-space.


Disadvantages:  The obvious -- some patrons do not know that they can 
find standard definition discs by looking closely at our Bluray 
records.  Further complicating this issue, our Library also utilizes 
World Cat Local, and in some instances the records linked to by our Bib 
Control folks do not accurately reflect that the item includes both 
standard and Bluray discs (a title that comes to mind is Super 8).


Hope this is helpful,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Film and Video Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo


On 1/19/2012 10:13 AM, Anna Goslen wrote:

Hello,

For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle 
Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do 
you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you 
found to be the advantages and disadvantages?

Thanks in advance.

Anna Goslen
Technical Services Specialist
Swarthmore College Library
(610) 690-5733
agosl...@swarthmore.edu


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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
   
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos

[Bergman, Barbara J]

I think you're going to need the VHS player a lot more than the Blu-Ray, but a 
Blu-Ray player does play regular discs, so if you find a combo Blu-Ray/VHS, you 
should be good.  I'm having a hard time picturing technical films being 
distributed in high definition...

By HDMI, do you mean making sure the projectors can display Blu-Ray level 
resolution?

Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Valerie Gangwer
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos

Granted, there are not a lot of these, but I did locate a couple of models that 
do both. If you find one you like, make sure you buy extras for replacement 
units. I think since BluRay players can run standard DVDs, that combination 
would be the simplest for your user group (IMHO). From experience, I know that 
faculty don't always think about ordering a special player ahead of time, and 
hooking one into a podium or equipment cabinet at the last minute can be a 
hassle for support staff. Good luck, whatever you decide.
Val Gangwer
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jane Blume 
mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu>> wrote:
My media person and I are meeting with the AV consultants for a new building 
this afternoon. I need your collective wisdom.

Our college is a small, two-year technical college. The library purchases very 
few non-technical media. We mainly purchase industrial training or health 
related media. We still have many VHS tapes. We are systematically updating 
them, but we refuse and cannot afford to purchase a DVD that is the same the 
same as the VHS tape. For example: Ohms Law has not changed in that last 
several hundred years. We have also subscribed to some streaming media such as 
the Health Collection from Films On Demand.

Our AV consultant spec'd out a Blu-Ray/VCR combo, but it is no longer 
available. They have proposed just a Blu-Ray player with a no VHS. We are 
thinking that a DVD/VHS unit with several Blu-Ray players that can use an input 
on the Extron controller would be more appropriate for our use.

But we want to be forward thinking. We keep telling the AV consultant to design 
for the future. For example, we had to fight for HDMI.

Do you see our type of training media going to Blu-Ray in the near future?

Thanks for your input.

Jane

Jane Blume
Director, Library and Media Services
Bellingham Technical College
3028 Lindbergh Ave.
Bellingham, WA 98225
360-752-8472 - phone
360-752-7272 - fax
mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu



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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos

[Valerie Gangwer]

Granted, there are not a lot of these, but I did locate a couple of models
that do both. If you find one you like, make sure you buy extras for
replacement units. I think since BluRay players can run standard DVDs, that
combination would be the simplest for your user group (IMHO). From
experience, I know that faculty don't always think about ordering a special
player ahead of time, and hooking one into a podium or equipment cabinet at
the last minute can be a hassle for support staff. Good luck, whatever you
decide.
Val Gangwer

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jane Blume  wrote:

>  My media person and I are meeting with the AV consultants for a new
> building this afternoon. I need your collective wisdom.
>
> ** **
>
> Our college is a small, two-year technical college. The library purchases
> very few non-technical media. We mainly purchase industrial training or
> health related media. We still have many VHS tapes. We are systematically
> updating them, but we refuse and cannot afford to purchase a DVD that is the
> same the same as the VHS tape. For example: Ohms Law has not changed in that
> last several hundred years. We have also subscribed to some streaming media
> such as the Health Collection from Films On Demand.
>
> ** **
>
> Our AV consultant spec’d out a Blu-Ray/VCR combo, but it is no longer
> available. They have proposed just a Blu-Ray player with a no VHS. We are
> thinking that a DVD/VHS unit with several Blu-Ray players that can use an
> input on the Extron controller would be more appropriate for our use. 
>
> ** **
>
> But we want to be forward thinking. We keep telling the AV consultant to
> design for the future. For example, we had to fight for HDMI. 
>
> ** **
>
> Do you see our type of training media going to Blu-Ray in the near future?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> ** **
>
> Jane
>
> ** **
>
> Jane Blume
>
> Director, Library and Media Services
>
> Bellingham Technical College
>
> 3028 Lindbergh Ave.
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
>
> 360-752-8472 - phone
>
> 360-752-7272 - fax
>
> mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
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> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

[Stockwell, Patricia]

I have not heard of that yet - but it sure would be a great invention for 
someone with the talent for such a thing.  We do not buy Blu-Ray at our college 
because most do not own Blu-Ray machines.  So we are sticking to regular DVD's 
for right now.  But, if a computer comes with Blu-Ray capabilities I Just have 
to have it.

Patricia Stockwell
Head of Technical Services / College Archivist
Pikes Peak Community College
5675 S. Academy Blvd.  Box 7
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
719-502-3238

patricia.stockw...@ppcc.edu


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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:19 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

Do you think that will change in future computers?
After all, the monitors are becoming HD.
Susan

On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote:
There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for computers but 
it's not a common standard configuration yet.  At least not that I've seen.

Andy
Regis University Library

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

Folks:
I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold.

As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on 
Blu-Ray (BD).
Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the 
purchase request
list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms).

Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a 
Blu-Ray
player?

Susan
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

[Griest, Bryan]

Maybe, although I bet the content producers are probably going to push
for downloadables and streaming instead.

Bryan Griest

Glendale Public Library

 

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Do you think that will change in future computers?
After all, the monitors are becoming HD.
Susan

On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote: 

There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for
computers but it's not a common standard configuration yet.  At least
not that I've seen.

 

Andy

Regis University Library  

 

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Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

 

Folks:
I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the
fold.

As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on
Blu-Ray (BD).
Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on
the purchase request
list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms).

Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having
a Blu-Ray
player?

Susan

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

[Susan Weber]

Do you think that will change in future computers?
After all, the monitors are becoming HD.
Susan

On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote:


There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for 
computers but it's not a common standard configuration yet.  At least 
not that I've seen.


 


Andy

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*Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray

 


Folks:
I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in 
the fold.


As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only 
on Blu-Ray (BD).
Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on 
the purchase request

list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms).

Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to 
having a Blu-Ray

player?

Susan

--

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Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
swe...@langara.bc.ca 

*Langara.* 

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

[John Streepy]

Susan 
only if that computer has a blu-ray drive versus a DVD drive.  No Apple 
computer has a blu-ray readable drive. 
regards 
jhs


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>>> Susan Weber  9/15/2011 3:19 PM >>>
Folks:
I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold.

As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on 
Blu-Ray (BD).
Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the 
purchase request
list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms).

Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a 
Blu-Ray
player?

Susan


--

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

[Dorfman, Andrew]

There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for computers but 
it's not a common standard configuration yet.  At least not that I've seen.

Andy
Regis University Library

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray

Folks:
I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold.

As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on 
Blu-Ray (BD).
Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the 
purchase request
list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms).

Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a 
Blu-Ray
player?

Susan
--


Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533
F  604.323.5512
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[ghandman]

ms
>> >> have less than hi def projection, if that.  Since classrooms are
>> often
>> >> controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the
>> chances
>> >> of
>> >> a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's
>> more
>> >> than unlikely).
>> >>
>> >> And I have to raise the  question:  outside of film studies and other
>> >> visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real
>> need?
>> >>
>> >> And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in
>> the
>> >> consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie
>> >> distributors?  You guys all gonna swing over?  Since downward
>> >> compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer
>> >> electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of
>> >> possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is,
>> if
>> >> the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray)  Then what?
>> >>
>> >> Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your
>> >> 'throwing
>> >> > money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at
>> >> least
>> >> > 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on
>> >> such
>> >> > small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
>> >> >> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about
>> >> our
>> >> >> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
>> >> >> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money
>> away
>> >> >> on regular DVDs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Debra
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
>> >> >> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" > >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
>> >> >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
>> >> >> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my
>> previous
>> >> >> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's
>> email
>> >> >> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
>> >> >> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are
>> equipped
>> >> >> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable
>> difference
>> >> >> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
>> >> >> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades
>> becomes
>> >> >> a bit more complicated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *
>> >> >> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>> >> >> Associate Librarian
>> >> >> Instructional Media Collection Department
>> >> >> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>> >> >> 181 S. College Ave.
>> >> >> Newark, DE 19717
>> >> >> (302) 831-1475
>> >> >> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> >> >>> Dear Debra,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
>> >> players
>> >> >>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And
>> in
>> >> >>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality.
>> Blu-rays
>> >> >>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
>> >> >>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Dennis Doros]

tibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer
> >> electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of
> >> possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if
> >> the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray)  Then what?
> >>
> >> Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your
> >> 'throwing
> >> > money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at
> >> least
> >> > 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on
> >> such
> >> > small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
> >> >
> >> > On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
> >> >> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about
> >> our
> >> >> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
> >> >> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
> >> >> on regular DVDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Debra
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
> >> >> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"  >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
> >> >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
> >> >> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
> >> >>
> >> >> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
> >> >> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
> >> >> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
> >> >> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
> >> >> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
> >> >> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
> >> >> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes
> >> >> a bit more complicated.
> >> >>
> >> >> *
> >> >> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> >> >> Associate Librarian
> >> >> Instructional Media Collection Department
> >> >> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> >> >> 181 S. College Ave.
> >> >> Newark, DE 19717
> >> >> (302) 831-1475
> >> >> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
> >> >>> Dear Debra,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
> >> players
> >> >>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in
> >> >>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays
> >> >>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
> >> >>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
> >> >>> project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the
> >> >>> investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to
> >> >>> the increased experience.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Dennis Doros
> >> >>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> >> >>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> >> >>> email: milefi...@gmail.com <mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> www.milestonefilms.com <http://www.milestonefilms.com>
> >> >>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com <http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
> >> >>> www.arayafilm.com <http://www.arayafilm.com>
> >> >>> www.exilesfilm.com <http://www.exilesfilm.com>
> >> >>> www.wordisoutmovie.com <http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
> >> >>> www.killerofsheep.com <http://www.killerofsheep.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org <http://www.amianet.org>
>

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Jessica Rosner]

  Then what?
> >>
> >> Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your
> >> 'throwing
> >> > money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at
> >> least
> >> > 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on
> >> such
> >> > small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
> >> >
> >> > On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
> >> >> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about
> >> our
> >> >> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
> >> >> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
> >> >> on regular DVDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Debra
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
> >> >> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"  >> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> >> >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
> >> >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
> >> >> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
> >> >>
> >> >> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
> >> >> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
> >> >> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
> >> >> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
> >> >> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
> >> >> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
> >> >> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes
> >> >> a bit more complicated.
> >> >>
> >> >> *
> >> >> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> >> >> Associate Librarian
> >> >> Instructional Media Collection Department
> >> >> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> >> >> 181 S. College Ave.
> >> >> Newark, DE 19717
> >> >> (302) 831-1475
> >> >> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
> >> >>> Dear Debra,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
> >> players
> >> >>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in
> >> >>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays
> >> >>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
> >> >>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
> >> >>> project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the
> >> >>> investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to
> >> >>> the increased experience.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Dennis Doros
> >> >>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> >> >>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> >> >>> email: milefi...@gmail.com <mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> www.milestonefilms.com <http://www.milestonefilms.com>
> >> >>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com <http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
> >> >>> www.arayafilm.com <http://www.arayafilm.com>
> >> >>> www.exilesfilm.com <http://www.exilesfilm.com>
> >> >>> www.wordisoutmovie.com <http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
> >> >>> www.killerofsheep.com <http://www.killerofsheep.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org <http://www.amianet.org>
> >> >>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Follow Milestone on Twitter!
> >> <http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[ghandman]

t;> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about
>> our
>> >> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
>> >> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
>> >> on regular DVDs.
>> >>
>> >> Debra
>> >>
>> >> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
>> >> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" > >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
>> >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
>> >> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
>> >>
>> >> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
>> >> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
>> >> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
>> >> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
>> >> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
>> >> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
>> >> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes
>> >> a bit more complicated.
>> >>
>> >> *
>> >> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>> >> Associate Librarian
>> >> Instructional Media Collection Department
>> >> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>> >> 181 S. College Ave.
>> >> Newark, DE 19717
>> >> (302) 831-1475
>> >> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
>> >>
>> >> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> >>> Dear Debra,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
>> players
>> >>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in
>> >>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays
>> >>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
>> >>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
>> >>> project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the
>> >>> investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to
>> >>> the increased experience.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Dennis Doros
>> >>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>> >>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>> >>> email: milefi...@gmail.com <mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
>> >>> www.milestonefilms.com <http://www.milestonefilms.com>
>> >>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com <http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
>> >>> www.arayafilm.com <http://www.arayafilm.com>
>> >>> www.exilesfilm.com <http://www.exilesfilm.com>
>> >>> www.wordisoutmovie.com <http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
>> >>> www.killerofsheep.com <http://www.killerofsheep.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org <http://www.amianet.org>
>> >>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
>> >>>
>> >>> Follow Milestone on Twitter!
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra > >>> <mailto:d.man...@neu.edu>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi-
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding
>> >>> Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide
>> >>> standard, or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for
>> cinema
>> >>> studies viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray
>> players
>> >>> available for reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in
>> >>> the library yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are
>> >>> doing with this conundrum.  I am sure there have been
>> >>> conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention.
>> >>>  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major
>> >

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Dennis Doros]

Dear Gary,

First of all, no one waits for the plumber here in Jersey. Godot will come
first. Leave the door open and hope the vandals are good with a monkey
wrench.

Agreed on everything else but here's the thing. The indies are indeed moving
over to Blu-ray (Milestone and Flicker Alley will have their first releases
while Kino and Criterion are already heavily into it) but I suspect it's
only because DVD sales suck so much. It might only be a five years of time
since streaming is the tidal wave of the future, but right now most of that
is VHS quality. So, yes, you are probably buying into a dying medium but it
might be far superior than what you get in a few years. And streaming might
not have bonus features -- some of those are as important to the classroom
as the films themselves. I really do feel that at $25 a pop, the best
machines (the Oppo) are under $500, and HD projection not much more, then
it's worth the investment for film studies. I, of course, agree with my pal
Oksana whose main interest is providing optimal quality for her students.
And I assume she is paying a lot more for the discs (they have to have PPR)
while their students are paying cheaper tuition since Canada tends to be
less in fees. So my conclusion (which I know she would laugh at if she
wasn't crying) is that Concordia gives her more support for her work.

As a father with a freshman in high school, I have to save a LOT of money
for the undergraduate degree (and more yet for the doctorate) and I'm hoping
that his college will provide him with a maximum experience for his
education. Since it'll be physics, I suspect this will be true. For film
studies, it probably depends on the college. You're lucky, of course, to
have the PFA on campus so your students *do* have the 35mm experience in the
best possible fashion.



Best,
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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM,  wrote:

> If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world
> peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be
> tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX)
>
> Unfortnately...
>
> As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17" monitors
> for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't
> make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation...  Most classrooms
> have less than hi def projection, if that.  Since classrooms are often
> controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of
> a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more
> than unlikely).
>
> And I have to raise the  question:  outside of film studies and other
> visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need?
>
> And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the
> consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie
> distributors?  You guys all gonna swing over?  Since downward
> compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer
> electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of
> possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if
> the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray)  Then what?
>
> Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman
>
>
>
>
> > Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing
> > money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least
> > 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such
> > small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
> >
> > On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
> >> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about our
> >> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
> >> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
> >> on regular DVDs.
> >>
> >> Debra
> >>
> >> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
> >> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"  >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
> >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>&qu

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Mandel, Debra]

I agree Gary--I would be primarily targeting cinema and media studies
classes, nothing on a grand scale.  If our library has adequate funding,
it might be nice to have one or two high-end viewing/listening venues with
HD capability. We would only do this if the University decides to create
similar cinema/media studies viewing classrooms, and hopefully we would
get some additional funds for our cinema studies collection.

But this isn't highest on my priority list--I'm just questioning the
possibilities, should certain things fall into place.

But more importantly, good luck with the plumber!


Debra


On 5/3/11 11:34 AM, "ghand...@library.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world
>peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be
>tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX)
>
>Unfortnately...
>
>As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17" monitors
>for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't
>make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation...  Most classrooms
>have less than hi def projection, if that.  Since classrooms are often
>controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of
>a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more
>than unlikely).
>
>And I have to raise the  question:  outside of film studies and other
>visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need?
>
>And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the
>consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie
>distributors?  You guys all gonna swing over?  Since downward
>compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer
>electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of
>possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if
>the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray)  Then what?
>
>Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman
>
>
>
>
>> Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing
>> money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least
>> 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such
>> small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
>>
>> On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
>>> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about our
>>> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
>>> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
>>> on regular DVDs.
>>>
>>> Debra
>>>
>>> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
>>> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" >> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
>>> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
>>> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
>>>
>>> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
>>> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
>>> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
>>> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
>>> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
>>> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
>>> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes
>>> a bit more complicated.
>>>
>>> *
>>> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>>> Associate Librarian
>>> Instructional Media Collection Department
>>> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>>> 181 S. College Ave.
>>> Newark, DE 19717
>>> (302) 831-1475
>>> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
>>>
>>> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>>>> Dear Debra,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players
>>>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in
>>>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays
>>>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
>>>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
>>>

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[ghandman]

If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world
peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be
tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX)

Unfortnately...

As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17" monitors
for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't
make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation...  Most classrooms
have less than hi def projection, if that.  Since classrooms are often
controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of
a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more
than unlikely).

And I have to raise the  question:  outside of film studies and other
visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need?

And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the
consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie
distributors?  You guys all gonna swing over?  Since downward
compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer
electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of
possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if
the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray)  Then what?

Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman




> Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing
> money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least
> 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such
> small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann
>
> On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:
>> Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about our
>> classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a
>> cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money away
>> on regular DVDs.
>>
>> Debra
>>
>> From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
>> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" > <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
>> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu <mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
>> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
>>
>> Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
>> email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
>> and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
>> difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
>> with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
>> for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
>> investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes
>> a bit more complicated.
>>
>> *
>> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>> Associate Librarian
>> Instructional Media Collection Department
>> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>> 181 S. College Ave.
>> Newark, DE 19717
>> (302) 831-1475
>> http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
>>
>> On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>>> Dear Debra,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players
>>> and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in
>>> terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays
>>> look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
>>> documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
>>> project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the
>>> investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to
>>> the increased experience.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dennis Doros
>>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>>> email: milefi...@gmail.com <mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
>>> www.milestonefilms.com <http://www.milestonefilms.com>
>>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com <http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
>>> www.arayafilm.com <http://www.arayafilm.com>
>>> www.exilesfilm.com <http://www.exilesfilm.com>
>>> www.wordisoutmovie.com <http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
>>> www.killerofsheep.com <http://www.killerofsheep.com>
>>>
>>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org <http://www.amianet.org>
>>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
>>>
>>

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Bergman, Barbara J]

My understanding is that unless the classroom projector is also new, the 
improved Blu-Ray image quality doesn’t come through on the screen anyway.

Not buying BluRay, but have now run into a couple of titles only available as a 
combo-pack with standard and BluRay discs. (Re-releases of older films, not 
new, interestingly enough).


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Mandel, Debra]

Interesting, Scott.

Every institution has its own culture with regards to classroom technology.  
I'll have to find out more what our directions are here, but cinema studies 
used to have its own classroom and with specialized technology—so there may be 
a justification to support this on a small scale and evaluate it success.  So 
maybe bBu-rays haven't been on reserve in your library, which is why they are 
not being viewed there?  Are people watching Blu-rays on their laptops instead?

I had been on the fence regarding Blu-rays for awhile, and now I feel I'm just 
playing catch-up. Can of worms, for sure!

Debra
From: scott spicer mailto:spic0...@umn.edu>>
Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:38:08 -0400
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

Hi Deb,

I think your last point describes our strategy.  We have 1 Blu-Ray player in 
our media viewing room that almost never gets used.  Also, I meet with our 
Classroom Management folks regularly, and within the next several years they 
would prefer to be out of the physical player support business all 
together...a/v funds for classroom players are limited, and besides there's a 
lot of other cool classroom tech to invest in these days!   Therefore, Blu-Ray 
players are not in many classrooms that I aware of and I'm not inclined to 
enter the classroom management business (i.e., checking out Blu-Ray players).  
That said, we have developed our program being content focused  (in part due to 
Gary), so if we get to the point where the content faculty need is only 
available on Blu-Ray, we would likely purchase it and figure something out.  
For the time being, we are in a holding pattern with the film/video status quo, 
with an eye on the digital future..a review our organization is undertaking 
currently.

-Scott


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Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
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Hi-

Thanks for your feed back?I guess I erred?Blu-rays don't play in DVD players, 
and our players in Libraries and classrooms are currently VHS/DVD combi players.

From: Dennis Doros 
mailto:milefi...@gmail.com><mailto:milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>>>
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Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:59:09 -0400
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mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu><mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

Dear Debra,

Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there 
are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature 
films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. 
So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big 
deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a 
screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative 
to the increased experience.

Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: 
milefi...@gma

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Oksana Dykyj]

Yes, I agree with the large screen statement: We have 3 viewing rooms 
with 1080p 63" plasmas and our individual viewing stations are 
equipped with 1080p 40" plasmas. We also have 1080i 22" screens at 
those stations for VHS and laserdisc playback which now, to our 
contemporary eyes, looks awful and very low res blown up beyond that 
size. Our students and faculty have become accustomed to HD images 
and expect that level of image for in-house viewing.  Our viewership 
went through the roof when we put in 40" screens in the individual 
viewing stations. Students can easily watch films on their laptops so 
there is no incentive for them to watch films on the same size 
monitors attached to headphones. Providing as large a screen as is 
possible in a viewing station allows them to experience something 
more akin to a home theatre experience than an institutional carrel 
experience and it certainly shows in terms of our viewership 
statistics. An example I use when I show the facilities, is to show 
Kino's The General on DVD. I show the beginning and skip a bit, then 
I show the same thing on Blu-ray and whoever is watching is 
completely blown away because they are able to read lettering that is 
blurry on the DVD and see details they never knew existed. We only 
have about 400 Blu-ray discs at this point but our experience with 
the Oppo BDP83s and now the BDP93s, which we installed in the 
individual viewing stations a few months ago, is phenomenal.


Oksana

At 09:10 AM 03/05/2011, you wrote:
Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my 
previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading 
Dennis's email and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large 
screen, yes, the difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing 
carrels are equipped with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a 
remarkable difference for most titles.  And of course, in a campus 
environment, the investment needed in terms of players and 
projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated.


*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ 



On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:

Dear Debra,

Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray 
players and there are several now that can play all regions of 
both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in 
quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a 
talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if 
you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, 
the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs 
relative to the increased experience.


Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra 
<d.man...@neu.edu> wrote:

Hi-

What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray 
feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, 
or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies 
viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available 
for reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library 
yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this 
conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations about this 
before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray 
players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue.


I'd love to hear from you!

Debra


Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[scott spicer]

Hi Deb,

I think your last point describes our strategy.  We have 1 Blu-Ray player in
our media viewing room that almost never gets used.  Also, I meet with our
Classroom Management folks regularly, and within the next several years they
would prefer to be out of the physical player support business all
together...a/v funds for classroom players are limited, and besides there's
a lot of other cool classroom tech to invest in these days!   Therefore,
Blu-Ray players are not in many classrooms that I aware of and I'm not
inclined to enter the classroom management business (i.e., checking out
Blu-Ray players).  That said, we have developed our program being content
focused  (in part due to Gary), so if we get to the point where the content
faculty need is only available on Blu-Ray, we would likely purchase it and
figure something out.  For the time being, we are in a holding pattern with
the film/video status quo, with an eye on the digital future..a review our
organization is undertaking currently.

-Scott


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> Hi-
>
> Thanks for your feed back?I guess I erred?Blu-rays don't play in DVD
> players, and our players in Libraries and classrooms are currently VHS/DVD
> combi players.
>
> From: Dennis Doros mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>"
> mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:59:09 -0400
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> videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
>
> Dear Debra,
>
> Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and
> there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of
> feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look
> significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a
> monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's
> DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of
> players and discs relative to the increased experience.
>
> Best,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> email: milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
> www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com>
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> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra  d.man...@neu.edu>> wrote:
> Hi-
>
> What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature
> films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, or  where there are
> not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing.  (Northeastern has at
> least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation).   Also we have no
> Blu-ray players in the library yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks
> are doing with this conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations
> about this before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray
> players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue.
>
> I'd love to hear from you!
>
> Debra
>
>
> Debra H. Mandel,
> Head, Digital Media Design

Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Wow.  That's a bit harsh.  For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing
money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at
least 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially*
on such small screens).  Good luck! -- Meghann

On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:

  Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out
about our classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding
to a cinema studies  faculty member who told me I was throwing money
away on regular DVDs. 
  
  
  Debra
  
  
  
  From:  Meghann Matwichuk <mtw...@udel.edu>
  Reply-To:  "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu"
<videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
  Date:  Tue, 3 May 2011
09:10:14 -0400
  To:  "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu"
<videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
  Subject:  Re: [Videolib]
Blu-ray
  
  
  
  
  Despite my lukewarm assessment
of HD for feature films in my previous
email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a
bit more complicated. 
  
  *
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
  http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ 
  
  
On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
  Dear Debra,


Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
players and there are several now that can play all regions of both.
And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality.
Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment
is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased
experience.


Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel,
Debra <d.man...@neu.edu> wrote:

  
  Hi-
  
  
  What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding
Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard,
or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies
viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for
reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet.
 I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum.
 I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I
wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play
regular DVDs, a major issue.
  
  
  I'd love to hear from you!
  
  
  Debra
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
  617.373.4902
  617.373.5409 fax
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Mandel, Debra]

Our library's monitor's are only 10", and I have to find out about our 
classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a cinema studies 
 faculty member who told me I was throwing money away on regular DVDs.

Debra

From: Meghann Matwichuk mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>>
Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I 
feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, "it 
depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. 
 However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18" monitors, at which point 
there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles.  And of course, in a 
campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection 
upgrades becomes a bit more complicated.

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/

On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
Dear Debra,

Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there 
are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature 
films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. 
So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big 
deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a 
screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative 
to the increased experience.

Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com>
www.ontheboweryfilm.com<http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
www.arayafilm.com<http://www.arayafilm.com>
www.exilesfilm.com<http://www.exilesfilm.com>
www.wordisoutmovie.com<http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
www.killerofsheep.com<http://www.killerofsheep.com>

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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra 
mailto:d.man...@neu.edu>> wrote:
Hi-

What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature 
films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, or  where there are not 
classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing.  (Northeastern has at least 
four Blu-Ray players available for reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray 
players in the library yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing 
with this conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations about this 
before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not 
play regular DVDs, a major issue.

I'd love to hear from you!

Debra


Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax

[cid:part1.01090103.05060303@udel.edu]



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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Mandel, Debra]

Hi-

Thanks for your feed back—I guess I erred—Blu-rays don't play in DVD players, 
and our players in Libraries and classrooms are currently VHS/DVD combi players.

From: Dennis Doros mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:59:09 -0400
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

Dear Debra,

Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there 
are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature 
films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. 
So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big 
deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a 
screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative 
to the increased experience.

Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com>
www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com>
www.ontheboweryfilm.com<http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com>
www.arayafilm.com<http://www.arayafilm.com>
www.exilesfilm.com<http://www.exilesfilm.com>
www.wordisoutmovie.com<http://www.wordisoutmovie.com>
www.killerofsheep.com<http://www.killerofsheep.com>
<http://www.killerofsheep.com>
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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra 
mailto:d.man...@neu.edu>> wrote:
Hi-

What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature 
films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, or  where there are not 
classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing.  (Northeastern has at least 
four Blu-Ray players available for reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray 
players in the library yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing 
with this conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations about this 
before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not 
play regular DVDs, a major issue.

I'd love to hear from you!

Debra


Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous
email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email
and say, "it depends on the screen".  On a large screen, yes, the
difference is appreciable.  However, our viewing carrels are equipped
with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
for most titles.  And of course, in a campus environment, the
investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a
bit more complicated. 

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ 


On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote:
Dear Debra,
  
  
  Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray
players and there are several now that can play all regions of both.
And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality.
Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head
documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to
project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment
is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased
experience.
  
  
  Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com
  www.milestonefilms.com
  www.ontheboweryfilm.com
  www.arayafilm.com
  www.exilesfilm.com
  www.wordisoutmovie.com
  www.killerofsheep.com
  
  AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org
Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
  
  
  Follow
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  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel,
Debra  wrote:
  

Hi-


What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding
Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard,
or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies
viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for
reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet.
 I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum.
 I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I
wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play
regular DVDs, a major issue.


I'd love to hear from you!


Debra






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Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax









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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Hi Debra,

BluRay players DO play regular dvds -- at least all models I've worked
with have.  Our Viewing Room facility in the Library, which can be
scheduled by instructors for classes, is equipped with a BluRay player
and we use that as our 'main' player for all DVDs except those that
require multi-region / PAL playback.

A few thoughts:  We have added a small number of BluRay titles to our
circulating collection -- ~45.  Compared to our standard-def DVD
collection, which is approaching 10,000 titles, it really is a drop in
the bucket.  They do circulate -- not a ton, but almost all if the
titles have circulated at least several times since we began purchasing
a few here and there a little over a year ago.  The titles that have
circulated most, not surprisingly, are the big, special effect films
like Avatar, however the BBC educational titles like Planet Earth and
Wild China aren't far behind.  The Disney Pixar films also get checked
out a decent amount, and new(er) releases, like Inception.  I don't
order anything on BluRay that we don't have in the collection in
standard-def, since I'm not convinced Blu-Ray will ever reach the kind
of critical mass that we'd need to justify only providing titles in
that format.  (This may have to change when titles start being released
*only* in BluRay packages, such as the forthcoming Illusionist and
PBS's Salt.)  Some BluRays come packaged with a standard definition
disc, which has served as a good fallback when our standard-def version
of the title is checked out.  In these cases though, I wonder whether
or not it would have been just as or more helpful to purchase multiple
copies of the title in standard-def.  All in all, I think they fit into
our collection mostly a novelty, as there are as yet few titles that
come to mind where I think there is a dramatic enough improvement
between standard-def and BluRay versions.  I've noticed that, just as
with standard-def, not all Blu-Rays are created equally.  It's worth
looking into reviews on sites like DVD Beaver for older films that are
released to see if there is any value added in the BluRay transfer,
since many (especially the cheapest titles) don't look much different
on BluRay.  Some remasterings even look worse -- for instance, I'd
choose the standard def. restoration over the BluRay of North by
Northwest any day.  The notable exception in these cases are the
beautifully remastered Kubrick films.  The Shining, 2001, etc. (Barry
Lyndon upcoming) -- these truly are stunning in HD, and film studies
folks are very likely to glean a lot of new detail and information from
these titles.  Same for the Criterion BluRay of Tati's Playtime.  I do
not believe BluRay is widely supported in classrooms on our campus, and
don't know that there are plans to move in that direction.

Hope this is helpful,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ 


On 5/3/2011 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote:

  Hi-
  
  
  What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding
Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard,
or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies
viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for
reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet.
 I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum.
 I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I
wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play
regular DVDs, a major issue.
  
  
  I'd love to hear from you!
  
  
  Debra
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Dennis Doros]

Dear Debra,

Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and
there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of
feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look
significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a
monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's
DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of
players and discs relative to the increased experience.

Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature
> films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, or  where there are
> not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing.  (Northeastern has at
> least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation).   Also we have no
> Blu-ray players in the library yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks
> are doing with this conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations
> about this before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray
> players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue.
>
> I'd love to hear from you!
>
> Debra
>
>
> Debra H. Mandel,
> Head, Digital Media Design Studio
> Northeastern University Libraries
> 200 Snell Library
> 360 Huntington Ave.
> Boston, MA 02115
> 617.373.4902
> 617.373.5409 fax
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


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Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray

[Oksana Dykyj]

Hi Debra,

All the Blu-ray players I've ever worked with have played DVDs. Our 
viewing stations are equipped with Oppo multi-region Blu-ray players 
that play all Blu-rays and all DVDs.


Oksana

Oksana Dykyj
Concordia University
Montreal, Canada

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Hi-

What is the current  theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray 
feature films, even when Blu-ray  isn't a campus wide standard, 
or  where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies 
viewing.  (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available 
for reservation).   Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library 
yet.  I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this 
conundrum.  I am sure there have been conversations about this 
before, but I wasn't paying attention.  Unfortunately Blu-Ray 
players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue.


I'd love to hear from you!

Debra


Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
200 Snell Library
360 Huntington Ave.
Boston, MA 02115
617.373.4902
617.373.5409 fax

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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

I agree with Gary that Blu-ray and streaming are solutions to two different 
issues, one being image and the other being convenience.  

For my film studies professors I do buy Blu-ray.  We've outfitted our four 
teacing spaces with Blu-ray decks and HD projectors or TVs, and converted 4 of 
our 32 viewing stations to Blu-ray.  I usually only buy Blu-ray if requested, 
but when I do I also buy a regular version of the title.

My non-film-studies professors are more interested in streaming for its ease of 
access.  Alas, most streaming licenses aren't what we're looking for (in 
perpetuity for a resonable cost) so we don't have that many.

Cheers,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [ghand...@library.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:06 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

Hi all

I gotta say it again:  I think the notion of skipping over Blu-Ray in
favor of streaming is completely and absolutely faulty thinking on any
number of scores.  First of all:  Blu-ray is a format whose major
attraction is a high resolution image and high quality sound.  It is
almost completely unlikely that streamed video will every offer such
(unless there's some major consumer electronics tech breakthroughs).
Conversely, the primary advantage of streamed video lies in it's ease of
access--it's bypassing of physical media.  It's not really an either/or
proposition.

The thing that keeps me up at night has to do with neither Blu-ray, nor
streamed media, per se.  It has to do with what is VERY likely to get lost
in the shift from one format or delivery mode to another.

Gary Handman





> Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc & CED conversion
> project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to
> hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over
> the format to streaming.
>
> That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it
> comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed,
> and
> I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far
> as
> equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in
> our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing
> in-house.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins  wrote:
>
>>  I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying
>> Bluray
>> discs, nor do I plan to start buying them.  I’m also more interested in
>> waiting until I can move into the streaming arena.  However, my school
>> does
>> not have a film studies program.  The interest in the titles I purchase
>> are
>> almost solely plot/story-based.  Picture and sound quality for DVDs is
>> usually good enough.  I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say
>> that
>> sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions.
>> But
>> my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much
>> of a
>> consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t
>> really
>> going to help.  Better to provide a more accessible format.
>>
>> And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that
>> Blueray
>> = Betamax.  And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS.  And I honestly
>> believe
>> the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S.
>>
>> Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian
>>
>> University of Central Oklahoma
>>
>> Max Chambers Library
>>
>> 100 N. University
>>
>> Edmond, OK  73034
>>
>> 405-974-2949
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
>>
>>
>>
>> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding
>> off?
>>  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
>> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're purchasin

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[ghandman]

Hi all

I gotta say it again:  I think the notion of skipping over Blu-Ray in
favor of streaming is completely and absolutely faulty thinking on any
number of scores.  First of all:  Blu-ray is a format whose major
attraction is a high resolution image and high quality sound.  It is
almost completely unlikely that streamed video will every offer such
(unless there's some major consumer electronics tech breakthroughs). 
Conversely, the primary advantage of streamed video lies in it's ease of
access--it's bypassing of physical media.  It's not really an either/or
proposition.

The thing that keeps me up at night has to do with neither Blu-ray, nor
streamed media, per se.  It has to do with what is VERY likely to get lost
in the shift from one format or delivery mode to another.

Gary Handman





> Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc & CED conversion
> project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to
> hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over
> the format to streaming.
>
> That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it
> comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed,
> and
> I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far
> as
> equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in
> our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing
> in-house.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins  wrote:
>
>>  I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying
>> Bluray
>> discs, nor do I plan to start buying them.  I’m also more interested in
>> waiting until I can move into the streaming arena.  However, my school
>> does
>> not have a film studies program.  The interest in the titles I purchase
>> are
>> almost solely plot/story-based.  Picture and sound quality for DVDs is
>> usually good enough.  I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say
>> that
>> sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions.
>> But
>> my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much
>> of a
>> consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t
>> really
>> going to help.  Better to provide a more accessible format.
>>
>> And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that
>> Blueray
>> = Betamax.  And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS.  And I honestly
>> believe
>> the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S.
>>
>> Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian
>>
>> University of Central Oklahoma
>>
>> Max Chambers Library
>>
>> 100 N. University
>>
>> Edmond, OK  73034
>>
>> 405-974-2949
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
>>
>>
>>
>> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding
>> off?
>>  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
>> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase
>> titles
>> you have on DVD, or only new titles?
>>
>>
>>
>> Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD,
>> the
>> thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to
>> sleep,
>> for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD
>> to
>> streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just
>> educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
>>
>> __
>>
>> Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central
>> Street, Wellesley MA 02481
>>
>> phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> ***Bronze+Blue=Green*** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze,
>> Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary!
>>
>> ***CONFIDENTIALITY*** -This e-mail (including any attachments) may
>> contain
>> confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized
>> disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
>>
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>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rudy Leon
> Learning Commons Librarian
> U

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Rudy Leon]

Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc & CED conversion
project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to
hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over
the format to streaming.

That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it
comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed, and
I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far as
equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in
our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing in-house.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins  wrote:

>  I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray
> discs, nor do I plan to start buying them.  I’m also more interested in
> waiting until I can move into the streaming arena.  However, my school does
> not have a film studies program.  The interest in the titles I purchase are
> almost solely plot/story-based.  Picture and sound quality for DVDs is
> usually good enough.  I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that
> sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions.  But
> my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a
> consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t really
> going to help.  Better to provide a more accessible format.
>
> And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray
> = Betamax.  And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS.  And I honestly believe
> the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD.
>
>
>
> Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S.
>
> Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian
>
> University of Central Oklahoma
>
> Max Chambers Library
>
> 100 N. University
>
> Edmond, OK  73034
>
> 405-974-2949
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah
> *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
>
>
>
> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>
>
>
> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?
>  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>
>
>
> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles
> you have on DVD, or only new titles?
>
>
>
> Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the
> thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep,
> for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.
>
>
>
> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to
> streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just
> educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
>
> __
>
> Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central
> Street, Wellesley MA 02481
>
> phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu
>
>
>
> ***Bronze+Blue=Green*** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze,
> Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary!
>
> ***CONFIDENTIALITY*** -This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain
> confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized
> disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
>
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> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Rudy Leon
Learning Commons Librarian
Undergraduate Library
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
(217) 333-3503
http://www.deepening.wordpress.com
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Jana Atkins]

I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray 
discs, nor do I plan to start buying them.  I’m also more interested in waiting 
until I can move into the streaming arena.  However, my school does not have a 
film studies program.  The interest in the titles I purchase are almost solely 
plot/story-based.  Picture and sound quality for DVDs is usually good enough.  
I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that sound quality is 
important would be opera and other stage productions.  But my experience there 
is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a consideration during 
production, so moving to a better format isn’t really going to help.  Better to 
provide a more accessible format.
And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray = 
Betamax.  And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS.  And I honestly believe the 
next step to that argument is streaming = DVD.

Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S.
Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian
University of Central Oklahoma
Max Chambers Library
100 N. University
Edmond, OK  73034
405-974-2949


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:

Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?  
(I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, 
since we're in the same boat.)

If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles you 
have on DVD, or only new titles?

Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the 
thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, 
for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to 
streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just 
educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
__
Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, 
Wellesley MA 02481
phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, 
pbris...@wellesley.edu


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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[ghandman]

Hi Oksana

Thanks for your usual insightful response.

As you've suggested below, it seems to me that any decision to shift to a
new format or technology needs to be informed by a careful assessment of
the mission and function of the media organization within its host
institution.  If the primary clients are in a discipline that requires the
highest quality projected image possible (i.e. Film/Visual studies) then
Blu-ray may be the ticket (assuming 1.  Blu-ray sticks along long enough
and 2.  the institution has the tech and infrastructure to support the
format in the manner it deserves).  If, on the other hand, the media
collection is broadly disciplinary and generally intended to be a
study-level collection (like mine), I can see little use in a knee-jerk
move to the new oohahh tech. Our hands may be forced by the vagaries of
the consumer market eventually, but in the meantime, I think it's
important to ask hard and realistic questions.  As you've indicated,
whatever the mission, $$$ will out:  in these days of emaciated budgets,
one has to be as critical and judicious about spending bucks as possible
(assuming the bucks are there at all)

gary


> Gary,
>
> I agree with your assessment of the streaming vs. Blu-ray argument,
> particularly when it has to do with the question of non-commercial
> vs. academic use. If the user is simply concerned with content
> access, streaming will do, but areas like Film Studies are usually
> concerned with the quality of the image and sound. If I was not
> supporting Film Studies I would also be questioning the never ending
> process of repurchasing titles.
>
> The Concordia University situation is that we are now getting 2k
> projectors for the auditoria where Film Studies are taught. We also
> enthusiastically support 35mm films. Film Studies courses have almost
> always been taught with a licensed projectionist in a projection
> booth setting up clips, projecting films and digital media.  I have
> been buying Blu-rays for 3 years now and we have somewhere over 200
> titles. My Dean managed to argue for some badly needed capital funds
> and I have been able to equip my 3 seminar rooms with 65" THX 1080p
> monitors and all-region Blu-ray players. I'm also in the process
> of  changing the individual viewing stations to make them less
> institutional and more semi-private with 32" 1080p monitors and
> all-region Blu-ray players.  But all this is simply because we have
> an academic area that requires this and I have been able to
> successfully lobby for the money (and miraculously there was some
> money).  The result has been very interesting: students are really
> responding and actually spending a lot of time watching movies here
> compared to when we had 17" monitors and DVD players.  This is the
> beginning of the semester and it looks like the end of the semester
> in terms of student traffic.
>
> And as for differences in DVD vs. Blu-ray, on some films, if you have
> an upconverting DVD player the differences are almost
> indistinguishable. But, on other films, like Kino's The General, the
> difference is completely mind boggling. Doing a side-by-side
> comparison of the DVD  and the Blu-ray is like watching a VHS
> transfer next to a 35mm print. In this particular case, I'm not
> exagerating.
>
> It's all a matter of budget first, and supporting client's real needs.
>
> Oksana
>
> At 11:50 AM 24/09/2010, you wrote:
>>...oh, buy the way:  in thinking about the next evolutionary hop in
>>mediadom, I think it's important to avoid conflating issues having to do
>>with media delivery and ease of access (streaming)with image quality.
>>Let's face it, unless there's a some spectacular quantum technological
>>leap, moving images delivered over networks are always going to be
>>inferior to what can be delivered/projected locally...at least in
>>non-commercial contexts).  In other words, the "I'm not buying Blu-ray,
>>I'm waiting for streamed delivery" is sort of a misguided argument.
>>
>>gary
>>
>>
>> > Blu-What?
>> >
>> > Look...what exactly is the point?  Does the university intend to
>> install
>> > Blu-ray machines (or HD projectors) in classrooms?  Hell, they can
>> barely
>> > get it together to put in shades on the windows.  Is the media center
>> > going to install 42" HD monitors at individual or group viewing
>> > stations???  I don't THINK so...
>> >
>> > Not to mention:  In the past three years, I've spent maybe 10 to 15
>> grand
>> > on replacing VHS titles with garden-variety DVDs...no way I can
>> justify
>> > rebuying the collection again for the sake of sweeter eye-candy.
>> >
>> > gary handman
>> >
>> >
>> >> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>> >>
>> >> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you
>> holding
>> >> off?  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and
>> university
>> >> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>> >>
>> >> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do y

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Mary Hanlin]

I bought 51 Blu-rays back in March, in part because I'd gotten several requests 
to purchase some, in part because I wanted to conduct a small trial.  Part of 
the way I justified trying out Blu-ray was that I bought also bought regular 
DVDs of anything that I bought in Blu-ray.  So if a student said, "No fair, I 
don't have Blu-ray," we could say, "We have the film in regular DVD format."

Though our Blu-rays circulate, they don't circulate extremely well and the 
circs don't appear to be growing.   One Avatar, for example, circulated 21 
times in regular DVD format.  So far, it's circulated 5 times in Blu-ray.  For 
some of the older films, the circs are a bit more even: Raging Bull, in 
Blu-ray, has circulated twice since March.  In regular format, it has 
circulated four times.  On the flip side, I have gotten some anecdotal feedback 
from students who think it's "cool" to offer Blu-ray, and we've ILL'd more of 
the Blu-ray than we have the DVD counterpart.

Like many, I think the data show that access often trumps quality. I don't 
really feel sorry about getting Blu-ray though, because it's not really an 
access versus quality paradigm.  To me, it's a now versus --maybe if we're 
lucky-- ten years from now paradigm. Of course any library that could (legally) 
purchase Avatar online and offer it to its patrons, would do so.  But why do we 
keep comparing something like Oliver Stone's Malcolm X with an online PBS 
Malcolm X?  So, Blu-ray may not be about fulfilling the best option, as much as 
it is about listening to patron input, and determining if it can serve as a 
small part of the option.  I think that each library needs to think about 
Blu-ray on its own terms.

Mary.

Mary Hanlin
Media Collection Development Librarian
Tidewater Community College
P: 757.822.2133
F: 757.822.2149
mhan...@tcc.edu




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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Michael May
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:06 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

I've been buying Blu-rays for my medium-sized public library for almost two 
years, and they circulate well. We have one Blu-ray viewing station, too.

Rather than replacing DVDs, the Blu-rays compliment or supplement our DVDs. 
Generally I buy Blu-rays when we have 15 or more patron requests for titles on 
DVD, usually the newest box-office hits, about 5 to 10 Blu-rays per month. If I 
had more money, I'd buy older, better reviewed releases on Blu-ray, but patron 
demand and title availability for DVDs far outweigh Blu-rays.

Mike

Michael May
Adult Services Librarian
Carnegie-Stout Public Library
360 West 11th Street
Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
Fax: 563-589-4217
Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah [pbris...@wellesley.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:18 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:

Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?  
(I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, 
since we're in the same boat.)

If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles you 
have on DVD, or only new titles?

Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the 
thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, 
for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to 
streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just 
educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
__
Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, 
Wellesley MA 02481
phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, 
pbris...@wellesley.edu<mailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu>



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Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Steffen, James M]

Dennis, as much as I like DVDs, I can easily see why you (Milestone) might 
choose to go Blu-ray only with DVD-Rs created on demand. The decline in the DVD 
market is very real. The major studios staved off the stagnation in the DVD 
market temporarily by flooding the market with TV series on DVD, but that only 
lasted for so long. As people have noted in earlier threads, the major 
studios--Warner first and now MGM/US, Universal and Sony are starting to sell 
DVD-Rs on demand of classic titles that only a couple years ago would have made 
the cut for a standard DVD release. This is bad for libraries since DVD-Rs are 
not a stable medium, but I don't know what can be done about that because we're 
not the primary market for home video titles. At least in Warner's case they're 
making a lot of wonderful, rare stuff available now.

Emory is collecting mostly the same kind Blu-ray titles as Jeff at Ann Arbor 
and Meghann at U of Delaware, not a large number. We have a Blu-ray player and 
Pioneer plasma display in the library's Group Viewing Room, and a couple 
Blu-ray players and HD LCD screens in viewing carrels. (They also play standard 
DVDs, of course, so they get used either way.) One newly constructed classroom 
building has high-definition projectors and Blu-ray players installed, but as 
far as I know the rest of the main campus is still standard-def and standard 
DVD only.

I don't think that having to re-buy at least *some* video titles in a new 
format or upgraded version is a bad thing at all. I am quite happy to buy both 
the restored Criterion DVD and Blu-ray of Antonioni's THE RED DESERT when we 
already have the sad old Image DVD with faded color. People study that film 
precisely for its use of color, so I consider the upgrade money well spent. Yes 
it costs money, but it's far less than a lot of other things libraries spend 
their money on, such as public performance rights for a one-time public 
screening or copyright clearance fees for a single course reserves reading 
assignment that exceeds fair use.

--James

--
James M. Steffen, PhD
Film and Media Studies Librarian
Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
Emory University
540 Asbury Circle
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870

Phone: (404) 727-8107
FAX: (404) 727-2257
Email: jste...@emory.edu
Web: www.jamesmsteffen.net

--

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:49:35 -0400
From: "Pearson, Jeffrey" 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
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We are purchasing Blu-rays here at  the University of Michigan Ann Arbor, and 
my approach to selection is in line with Meghann?s; film studies kinds of 
films, stuff like Planet earth, and a few like Avatar that I know patrons will 
want. Blu-ray circulation is surprisingly strong. We have one HD 
monitor/blu-ray player set up in our viewing area.

Jeff

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:01 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

We at the Univ. of DE Library are purchasing BluRays.  We only have about a 
dozen on shelf right now, but our two biggest circulating titles are Avatar and 
the Planet Earth series.  I do not purchase titles on BluRay unless we have a 
standard-definition copy already in the collection -- there are two few of our 
users who have the players, and they are not supported in the classroom.  I 
personally see it more as a novelty than a serious shift in collection 
priorities, however I'm starting to think that some titles will soon be 
purchasable only in combination (standard packaged with BluRay).  I ran across 
a yet-to-be-released PBS title not too long ago that appeared be coming only in 
such a package.  This will create a headache for us -- How to catalog -- split 
them up?  Keep in original packaging and they end up with BluRays -- we 
encourage folks to check there for standard copies as well?  Headaches aplenty.

I try to purchase titles that best show off the technology, e.g. those that 
were filmed in high-def or have been subjected to high-quality high-def 
'restoration'.  The recent BBC nature titles are incredible on BluRay, as are 
the restored Kubrick films and some others.  Animated films also benefit 
especially from high-def presentation, so we have a number of Pixar films on 
BluRay.  DVD Beaver is a good source for determining the quality of BluRay 
releases.

A few notes:

* Just as some VHS titles look better on VHS than they do on DVD, some standard 
definition DVDs look better than BluRay.  Case in point:  North by Northwest.  
The standard (restored)

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Michael May]

I've been buying Blu-rays for my medium-sized public library for almost two 
years, and they circulate well. We have one Blu-ray viewing station, too.

Rather than replacing DVDs, the Blu-rays compliment or supplement our DVDs. 
Generally I buy Blu-rays when we have 15 or more patron requests for titles on 
DVD, usually the newest box-office hits, about 5 to 10 Blu-rays per month. If I 
had more money, I'd buy older, better reviewed releases on Blu-ray, but patron 
demand and title availability for DVDs far outweigh Blu-rays.

Mike

Michael May
Adult Services Librarian
Carnegie-Stout Public Library
360 West 11th Street
Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
Fax: 563-589-4217
Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah [pbris...@wellesley.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:18 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:

Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?  
(I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, 
since we're in the same boat.)

If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles you 
have on DVD, or only new titles?

Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the 
thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, 
for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to 
streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just 
educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
__
Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, 
Wellesley MA 02481
phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, 
pbris...@wellesley.edu



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Oksana Dykyj]

Gary,

I agree with your assessment of the streaming vs. Blu-ray argument, 
particularly when it has to do with the question of non-commercial 
vs. academic use. If the user is simply concerned with content 
access, streaming will do, but areas like Film Studies are usually 
concerned with the quality of the image and sound. If I was not 
supporting Film Studies I would also be questioning the never ending 
process of repurchasing titles.

The Concordia University situation is that we are now getting 2k 
projectors for the auditoria where Film Studies are taught. We also 
enthusiastically support 35mm films. Film Studies courses have almost 
always been taught with a licensed projectionist in a projection 
booth setting up clips, projecting films and digital media.  I have 
been buying Blu-rays for 3 years now and we have somewhere over 200 
titles. My Dean managed to argue for some badly needed capital funds 
and I have been able to equip my 3 seminar rooms with 65" THX 1080p 
monitors and all-region Blu-ray players. I'm also in the process 
of  changing the individual viewing stations to make them less 
institutional and more semi-private with 32" 1080p monitors and 
all-region Blu-ray players.  But all this is simply because we have 
an academic area that requires this and I have been able to 
successfully lobby for the money (and miraculously there was some 
money).  The result has been very interesting: students are really 
responding and actually spending a lot of time watching movies here 
compared to when we had 17" monitors and DVD players.  This is the 
beginning of the semester and it looks like the end of the semester 
in terms of student traffic.

And as for differences in DVD vs. Blu-ray, on some films, if you have 
an upconverting DVD player the differences are almost 
indistinguishable. But, on other films, like Kino's The General, the 
difference is completely mind boggling. Doing a side-by-side 
comparison of the DVD  and the Blu-ray is like watching a VHS 
transfer next to a 35mm print. In this particular case, I'm not exagerating.

It's all a matter of budget first, and supporting client's real needs.

Oksana

At 11:50 AM 24/09/2010, you wrote:
>...oh, buy the way:  in thinking about the next evolutionary hop in
>mediadom, I think it's important to avoid conflating issues having to do
>with media delivery and ease of access (streaming)with image quality.
>Let's face it, unless there's a some spectacular quantum technological
>leap, moving images delivered over networks are always going to be
>inferior to what can be delivered/projected locally...at least in
>non-commercial contexts).  In other words, the "I'm not buying Blu-ray,
>I'm waiting for streamed delivery" is sort of a misguided argument.
>
>gary
>
>
> > Blu-What?
> >
> > Look...what exactly is the point?  Does the university intend to install
> > Blu-ray machines (or HD projectors) in classrooms?  Hell, they can barely
> > get it together to put in shades on the windows.  Is the media center
> > going to install 42" HD monitors at individual or group viewing
> > stations???  I don't THINK so...
> >
> > Not to mention:  In the past three years, I've spent maybe 10 to 15 grand
> > on replacing VHS titles with garden-variety DVDs...no way I can justify
> > rebuying the collection again for the sake of sweeter eye-candy.
> >
> > gary handman
> >
> >
> >> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
> >>
> >> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding
> >> off?  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
> >> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
> >>
> >> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase
> >> titles
> >> you have on DVD, or only new titles?
> >>
> >> Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD,
> >> the
> >> thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to
> >> sleep, for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.
> >>
> >> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD
> >> to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not
> >> just
> >> educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
> >> __
> >> Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central
> >> Street, Wellesley MA 02481
> >> phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu
> >>
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> >> of
> >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> >> producers and distributors.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Gary Handman
>

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Dennis Doros]

Gary,

Agreed. Not really an argument.

But DVD = VHS.

DD

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

> Check back with me in five years, Dennis...
>
> Bluray = BetaMax
>
> gary
>
>
>
> > Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales
> > are
> > way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray.
> > Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film
> transfers
> > done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move
> > into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix
> > really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for
> > our
> > company. (Probably not for educational films.)
> >
> > I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those
> > who
> > want otherwise.  We are definitely at the crossroads!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> > Dennis Doros
> > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> > PO Box 128
> > Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> > Phone: 201-767-3117
> > Fax: 201-767-3035
> > email: milefi...@gmail.com
> > www.milestonefilms.com
> > www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> > www.arayafilm.com
> > www.exilesfilm.com
> > www.wordisoutmovie.com
> > www.killerofsheep.com
> > AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
> > Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of
> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> > producers and distributors.
> >
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com
AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Pearson, Jeffrey]

We are purchasing Blu-rays here at  the University of Michigan Ann Arbor, and 
my approach to selection is in line with Meghann’s; film studies kinds of 
films, stuff like Planet earth, and a few like Avatar that I know patrons will 
want. Blu-ray circulation is surprisingly strong. We have one HD 
monitor/blu-ray player set up in our viewing area.

Jeff

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:01 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

We at the Univ. of DE Library are purchasing BluRays.  We only have about a 
dozen on shelf right now, but our two biggest circulating titles are Avatar and 
the Planet Earth series.  I do not purchase titles on BluRay unless we have a 
standard-definition copy already in the collection -- there are two few of our 
users who have the players, and they are not supported in the classroom.  I 
personally see it more as a novelty than a serious shift in collection 
priorities, however I'm starting to think that some titles will soon be 
purchasable only in combination (standard packaged with BluRay).  I ran across 
a yet-to-be-released PBS title not too long ago that appeared be coming only in 
such a package.  This will create a headache for us -- How to catalog -- split 
them up?  Keep in original packaging and they end up with BluRays -- we 
encourage folks to check there for standard copies as well?  Headaches aplenty.

I try to purchase titles that best show off the technology, e.g. those that 
were filmed in high-def or have been subjected to high-quality high-def 
'restoration'.  The recent BBC nature titles are incredible on BluRay, as are 
the restored Kubrick films and some others.  Animated films also benefit 
especially from high-def presentation, so we have a number of Pixar films on 
BluRay.  DVD Beaver is a good source for determining the quality of BluRay 
releases.

A few notes:

* Just as some VHS titles look better on VHS than they do on DVD, some standard 
definition DVDs look better than BluRay.  Case in point:  North by Northwest.  
The standard (restored) version has better contrast and gives a much more 
pleasurable viewing experience than the BluRay, which is pretty flat / dark 
(albeit perhaps truer to the film) in comparison.  At least IMHO.

* We have several LG BluRay players and they can be somewhat fussy when playing 
discs.  After investigation (and my own personal experience), I feel confident 
in saying that the best BluRay player currently available is the Sony 
PlayStation 3 console.  Even if it's not being used for gaming at all, it's a 
great player.  More consistent, can handle heavy use, well-designed interface.

* They can be more time-intensive to catalog, thanks to menu complications and 
some poor design.  Disney especially.

Best,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/

On 9/24/2010 11:18 AM, Pamela Bristah wrote:
A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:

Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?  
(I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, 
since we're in the same boat.)

If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles you 
have on DVD, or only new titles?

Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the 
thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, 
for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to 
streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just 
educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
__
Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, 
Wellesley MA 02481
phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, 
pbris...@wellesley.edu<mailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu>








VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hope

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[ghandman]

Check back with me in five years, Dennis...

Bluray = BetaMax

gary



> Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales
> are
> way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray.
> Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film transfers
> done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move
> into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix
> really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for
> our
> company. (Probably not for educational films.)
>
> I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those
> who
> want otherwise.  We are definitely at the crossroads!
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
> email: milefi...@gmail.com
> www.milestonefilms.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> www.arayafilm.com
> www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com
> www.killerofsheep.com
> AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Dennis Doros]

Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales are
way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray.
Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film transfers
done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move
into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix
really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for our
company. (Probably not for educational films.)

I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those who
want otherwise.  We are definitely at the crossroads!


-- 
Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com
AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[John Streepy]

I purchased a Blu-Ray/VHS player so if a student came in with one we could 
accommodate, but my department is not going to purchase any discs.  (I had to 
bring in my Up Blu-Ray to test the machine-gorgeous) It is to my knowledge the 
only Blu-Ray player on my campus and will probably be the only one, other than 
computer blu-ray drives, this campus will have.  Upconverting players do a very 
good job and none of the projectors on my campus are at high def. 

regards 
jhs 


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




>>> Pamela Bristah  9/24/2010 8:18 AM >>>

A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: 


> 
Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off?  
(I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, 
since we're in the same boat.) 


> 
If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles you 
have on DVD, or only new titles?   


> 
Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the 
thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, 
for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.   


> 
Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to 
streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just 
educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream. 

__ 

Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, 
Wellesley MA 02481 

phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu 


>
> 
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[Meghann Matwichuk]

We at the Univ. of DE Library are purchasing BluRays.  We only have 
about a dozen on shelf right now, but our two biggest circulating titles 
are Avatar and the Planet Earth series.  I do not purchase titles on 
BluRay unless we have a standard-definition copy already in the 
collection -- there are two few of our users who have the players, and 
they are not supported in the classroom.  I personally see it more as a 
novelty than a serious shift in collection priorities, however I'm 
starting to think that some titles will soon be purchasable only in 
combination (standard packaged with BluRay).  I ran across a 
yet-to-be-released PBS title not too long ago that appeared be coming 
only in such a package.  This will create a headache for us -- How to 
catalog -- split them up?  Keep in original packaging and they end up 
with BluRays -- we encourage folks to check there for standard copies as 
well?  Headaches aplenty.


I try to purchase titles that best show off the technology, e.g. those 
that were filmed in high-def or have been subjected to high-quality 
high-def 'restoration'.  The recent BBC nature titles are incredible on 
BluRay, as are the restored Kubrick films and some others.  Animated 
films also benefit especially from high-def presentation, so we have a 
number of Pixar films on BluRay.  DVD Beaver is a good source for 
determining the quality of BluRay releases.


A few notes:

* Just as some VHS titles look better on VHS than they do on DVD, some 
standard definition DVDs look better than BluRay.  Case in point:  North 
by Northwest.  The standard (restored) version has better contrast and 
gives a much more pleasurable viewing experience than the BluRay, which 
is pretty flat / dark (albeit perhaps truer to the film) in comparison.  
At least IMHO.


* We have several LG BluRay players and they can be somewhat fussy when 
playing discs.  After investigation (and my own personal experience), I 
feel confident in saying that the best BluRay player currently available 
is the Sony PlayStation 3 console.  Even if it's not being used for 
gaming at all, it's a great player.  More consistent, can handle heavy 
use, well-designed interface.


* They can be more time-intensive to catalog, thanks to menu 
complications and some poor design.  Disney especially.


Best,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/

On 9/24/2010 11:18 AM, Pamela Bristah wrote:

A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:

Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding 
off?  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and 
university libraries, since we're in the same boat.)


If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase 
titles you have on DVD, or only new titles?


Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, 
the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go 
to sleep, for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.


Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from 
DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, 
not just educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.

__
Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central 
Street, Wellesley MA 02481
phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu 





VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
   
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[ghandman]

...oh, buy the way:  in thinking about the next evolutionary hop in
mediadom, I think it's important to avoid conflating issues having to do
with media delivery and ease of access (streaming)with image quality.
Let's face it, unless there's a some spectacular quantum technological
leap, moving images delivered over networks are always going to be
inferior to what can be delivered/projected locally...at least in
non-commercial contexts).  In other words, the "I'm not buying Blu-ray,
I'm waiting for streamed delivery" is sort of a misguided argument.

gary


> Blu-What?
>
> Look...what exactly is the point?  Does the university intend to install
> Blu-ray machines (or HD projectors) in classrooms?  Hell, they can barely
> get it together to put in shades on the windows.  Is the media center
> going to install 42" HD monitors at individual or group viewing
> stations???  I don't THINK so...
>
> Not to mention:  In the past three years, I've spent maybe 10 to 15 grand
> on replacing VHS titles with garden-variety DVDs...no way I can justify
> rebuying the collection again for the sake of sweeter eye-candy.
>
> gary handman
>
>
>> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>>
>> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding
>> off?  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
>> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>>
>> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase
>> titles
>> you have on DVD, or only new titles?
>>
>> Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD,
>> the
>> thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to
>> sleep, for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD
>> to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not
>> just
>> educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
>> __
>> Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central
>> Street, Wellesley MA 02481
>> phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
>> of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries

[ghandman]

Blu-What?

Look...what exactly is the point?  Does the university intend to install
Blu-ray machines (or HD projectors) in classrooms?  Hell, they can barely
get it together to put in shades on the windows.  Is the media center
going to install 42" HD monitors at individual or group viewing
stations???  I don't THINK so...

Not to mention:  In the past three years, I've spent maybe 10 to 15 grand
on replacing VHS titles with garden-variety DVDs...no way I can justify
rebuying the collection again for the sake of sweeter eye-candy.

gary handman


> A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time:
>
> Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding
> off?  (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university
> libraries, since we're in the same boat.)
>
> If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use?  Do you re-purchase titles
> you have on DVD, or only new titles?
>
> Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the
> thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to
> sleep, for about 45 years.  And, the cost would be prohibitive.
>
> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD
> to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality?  For feature films, not just
> educational and documentary titles?  Oh well, a girl can dream.
> __
> Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central
> Street, Wellesley MA 02481
> phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD (and 35mm)

[Jackson, Sandra F.]

Hi, Jessica.

Great article.  It seemed familiar, so perhaps I've read it before. When I said 
I'd like to see older films on Blu-Ray, I really meant the last two or so 
decades of films, since that is what our programmers typically want to show in 
our theater. (I haven't been able to sell the programmers on true classics, 
yet.)  I do understand that Blu-Ray is expensive to produce, but it does look 
much nicer on a big screen.  If a film is already being re-released, it makes 
sense to me to put it out in Blu-Ray, but I recognize that mine is not the 
dominant view nor entirely practical.

Thanks!
Sandra

Sandra F. Jackson
Film Program Coordinator
Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office
UNCW Presents
The University of North Carolina Wilmington
910.962.7971
jackso...@uncw.edu
http://www.uncw.edu/lumina
NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are 
subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. §132-1 et seq.) and 
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-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:37 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD (and 35mm)

Sandra
I am getting dotty in my old age and I think this article was posted
in another thread but some interesting info on Blu-Ray and classics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/movies/homevideo/03kehr.html?scp=1&sq=dave%20kehr%20blu%20ray&st=cse

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jackson, Sandra F.  wrote:
>
> I'm a little late entering this discussion, but I was in New Zealand for 
> three weeks!
>
> I operate a 360 seat cinema on my campus.  While I do not purchase films for 
> library circulation, I am involved in purchasing PPR for Lumina Theater 
> events.   I do wish distributors would be more likely to offer a Blu-Ray 
> option for PPR on older films, because Blu-Ray looks considerably better than 
> DVD on a large screen (15.5' x 30').
>
> I can't comment on the funding at other campuses to bring 35mm, but UNCW 
> generally brings in two NEW 35mm films per week during the spring and fall 
> semesters, a blockbuster on Friday and a spotlight film 
> (indy/quirky/educational) on Saturday.  My department, Campus Life, is able 
> to support 35mm in Lumina Theater because we have a film school that teaches 
> students to recognize the artistic merit of 35mm.  The student organization I 
> advise books the 35mm titles and uses student funds to pay for the rights, 
> equipment and staffing for the theater.  It is a very expensive proposition 
> and this group is very well funded compared to similar organizations at many 
> other campuses.
>
> I also appreciate 35mm because it seems to have a warmth and life that 
> digital often lacks. That being said, I encourage all other users of Lumina 
> Theater to purchase PPR for DVDs to show through our Christie Digital 
> projector, especially Blu-Ray whenever possible, rather than 35mm.   If the 
> 35mm print is not fairly new, it can be more difficult to find a quality 
> print worth the effort to show.  Older prints are more likely to be 
> scratched, have torn sprockets, be dirty or have damaged sound strips.  The 
> older a print is, the more likely it is to be brittle, so I generally 
> discourage anyone from bringing 35mm more than ten years old.  The 
> brittleness can lead to breakage, which is not fun for the projectionist or 
> audience.
>
> Additionally, we have to spend more staffing hours on a 35mm film than on a 
> digital show.  We must build a 35mm print (usually 6-8 reels), preview it to 
> ensure quality of the film and the build, project the event, then break down 
> the print.  Most of our internal customers prefer to pay less for staffing, 
> so a DVD or Blu-Ray event is considerably less expensive (I ask the customer 
> to preview their own DVD for image and sound quality). Also, delivery cost 
> for a DVD is much less than for a 35mm print.  As far as the actual show 
> goes, we're more likely to experience debilitating technical difficulties for 
> a 35mm than for a digital show.  We must also spend much more time training 
> projection staff for 35mm than for digital shows.
>
> As it gets more expensive to maintain our 35mm projector and train 35mm 
> projectionists, I anticipate that the University may move to digital 
> downloads for most cinema films within the next 10 years.  Some campus 
> cinemas at other schools have already moved in this direction.
>
> Sandra F. Jackson
> Film Program Coordinator
> Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office
> UNCW Presents
> The University of North Carolina Wilmington
> 910.962.7971
> jacks

Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD (and 35mm)

[Jessica Rosner]

Sandra
I am getting dotty in my old age and I think this article was posted
in another thread but some interesting info on Blu-Ray and classics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/movies/homevideo/03kehr.html?scp=1&sq=dave%20kehr%20blu%20ray&st=cse

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jackson, Sandra F.  wrote:
>
> I'm a little late entering this discussion, but I was in New Zealand for 
> three weeks!
>
> I operate a 360 seat cinema on my campus.  While I do not purchase films for 
> library circulation, I am involved in purchasing PPR for Lumina Theater 
> events.   I do wish distributors would be more likely to offer a Blu-Ray 
> option for PPR on older films, because Blu-Ray looks considerably better than 
> DVD on a large screen (15.5' x 30').
>
> I can't comment on the funding at other campuses to bring 35mm, but UNCW 
> generally brings in two NEW 35mm films per week during the spring and fall 
> semesters, a blockbuster on Friday and a spotlight film 
> (indy/quirky/educational) on Saturday.  My department, Campus Life, is able 
> to support 35mm in Lumina Theater because we have a film school that teaches 
> students to recognize the artistic merit of 35mm.  The student organization 
> I advise books the 35mm titles and uses student funds to pay for the rights, 
> equipment and staffing for the theater.  It is a very expensive proposition 
> and this group is very well funded compared to similar organizations at many 
> other campuses.
>
> I also appreciate 35mm because it seems to have a warmth and life that 
> digital often lacks. That being said, I encourage all other users of Lumina 
> Theater to purchase PPR for DVDs to show through our Christie Digital 
> projector, especially Blu-Ray whenever possible, rather than 35mm.   If the 
> 35mm print is not fairly new, it can be more difficult to find a quality 
> print worth the effort to show.  Older prints are more likely to be 
> scratched, have torn sprockets, be dirty or have damaged sound strips.  The 
> older a print is, the more likely it is to be brittle, so I generally 
> discourage anyone from bringing 35mm more than ten years old.  The 
> brittleness can lead to breakage, which is not fun for the projectionist or 
> audience.
>
> Additionally, we have to spend more staffing hours on a 35mm film than on a 
> digital show.  We must build a 35mm print (usually 6-8 reels), preview it to 
> ensure quality of the film and the build, project the event, then break down 
> the print.  Most of our internal customers prefer to pay less for staffing, 
> so a DVD or Blu-Ray event is considerably less expensive (I ask the customer 
> to preview their own DVD for image and sound quality). Also, delivery cost 
> for a DVD is much less than for a 35mm print.  As far as the actual show 
> goes, we're more likely to experience debilitating technical difficulties for 
> a 35mm than for a digital show.  We must also spend much more time training 
> projection staff for 35mm than for digital shows.
>
> As it gets more expensive to maintain our 35mm projector and train 35mm 
> projectionists, I anticipate that the University may move to digital 
> downloads for most cinema films within the next 10 years.  Some campus 
> cinemas at other schools have already moved in this direction.
>
> Sandra F. Jackson
> Film Program Coordinator
> Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office
> UNCW Presents
> The University of North Carolina Wilmington
> 910.962.7971
> jackso...@uncw.edu
> http://www.uncw.edu/lumina
> NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are 
> subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. §132-1 et seq.) 
> and may be released to the public unless an exception applies.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Steffen, James M
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:32 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD
>
> Thanks, Dennis.
>
> This article is basically in line with what I've read elsewhere about the 
> rate of Blu-ray adoption by consumers. I had assumed that the recession would 
> have more of an impact on the Blu-ray rollout than it apparently did.
>
> Personally, I don't think Blu-ray "another laserdisc in the making." Physical 
> discs will still be around for a while. For one thing, many parts of this 
> country don't yet have the data infrastructure to support downloading true 
> hi-def movies on demand. I also suspect Blu-ray will co-exist with DVD for 
> quite a while. Many films and videos simply don't have good enough looking 
> elements to su

Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD (and 35mm)

[Jackson, Sandra F.]

I'm a little late entering this discussion, but I was in New Zealand for three 
weeks!

I operate a 360 seat cinema on my campus.  While I do not purchase films for 
library circulation, I am involved in purchasing PPR for Lumina Theater events. 
  I do wish distributors would be more likely to offer a Blu-Ray option for PPR 
on older films, because Blu-Ray looks considerably better than DVD on a large 
screen (15.5' x 30').

I can't comment on the funding at other campuses to bring 35mm, but UNCW 
generally brings in two NEW 35mm films per week during the spring and fall 
semesters, a blockbuster on Friday and a spotlight film 
(indy/quirky/educational) on Saturday.  My department, Campus Life, is able to 
support 35mm in Lumina Theater because we have a film school that teaches 
students to recognize the artistic merit of 35mm.  The student organization I 
advise books the 35mm titles and uses student funds to pay for the rights, 
equipment and staffing for the theater.  It is a very expensive proposition and 
this group is very well funded compared to similar organizations at many other 
campuses.

I also appreciate 35mm because it seems to have a warmth and life that digital 
often lacks. That being said, I encourage all other users of Lumina Theater to 
purchase PPR for DVDs to show through our Christie Digital projector, 
especially Blu-Ray whenever possible, rather than 35mm.   If the 35mm print is 
not fairly new, it can be more difficult to find a quality print worth the 
effort to show.  Older prints are more likely to be scratched, have torn 
sprockets, be dirty or have damaged sound strips.  The older a print is, the 
more likely it is to be brittle, so I generally discourage anyone from bringing 
35mm more than ten years old.  The brittleness can lead to breakage, which is 
not fun for the projectionist or audience.

Additionally, we have to spend more staffing hours on a 35mm film than on a 
digital show.  We must build a 35mm print (usually 6-8 reels), preview it to 
ensure quality of the film and the build, project the event, then break down 
the print.  Most of our internal customers prefer to pay less for staffing, so 
a DVD or Blu-Ray event is considerably less expensive (I ask the customer to 
preview their own DVD for image and sound quality). Also, delivery cost for a 
DVD is much less than for a 35mm print.  As far as the actual show goes, we're 
more likely to experience debilitating technical difficulties for a 35mm than 
for a digital show.  We must also spend much more time training projection 
staff for 35mm than for digital shows.

As it gets more expensive to maintain our 35mm projector and train 35mm 
projectionists, I anticipate that the University may move to digital downloads 
for most cinema films within the next 10 years.  Some campus cinemas at other 
schools have already moved in this direction.

Sandra F. Jackson
Film Program Coordinator
Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office
UNCW Presents
The University of North Carolina Wilmington
910.962.7971
jackso...@uncw.edu
http://www.uncw.edu/lumina
NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are 
subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. §132-1 et seq.) and 
may be released to the public unless an exception applies.



-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Steffen, James M
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:32 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray versus DVD

Thanks, Dennis.

This article is basically in line with what I've read elsewhere about the rate 
of Blu-ray adoption by consumers. I had assumed that the recession would have 
more of an impact on the Blu-ray rollout than it apparently did.

Personally, I don't think Blu-ray "another laserdisc in the making." Physical 
discs will still be around for a while. For one thing, many parts of this 
country don't yet have the data infrastructure to support downloading true 
hi-def movies on demand. I also suspect Blu-ray will co-exist with DVD for 
quite a while. Many films and videos simply don't have good enough looking 
elements to support a new transfer in high definition.

BTW, our library has started to collected a limited number of Blu-ray discs, 
mostly of films that commonly get screened for classes. There are a handful of 
newly constructed rooms on campus that have high-definition video projectors, 
and we have a plasma screen in our Group Viewing Room.

If your school has a film/media studies program, it might be worth considering 
Blu-ray down the road--if only because you can obtain a more film-like image 
for feature films shot in 35mm. With good hi-def transfers, you can even see 
some of the film's grain structure. Considering how non-theatrical film rentals 
have largely died out, these days most people's contact with older f