[VIHUELA] Re: Landi - Quando Rinaldo
Monica, well here is "my way", not the only possible, naturally. ;- on the first line in the second bar - are the figures over the second D 5-6? Yes. And I'd play 5-b6. (and also the last chord if 1st bar G-minor. on the first line in the third bar the second 7-6 - should the 6 be sharp - it could be but I think it sounds better natural. I'd play 7-#6. And the bass here is b natural, not flat as in the 1st bar. And the first 7-6 I'd play b7-6. On the next line at the cadence in the third bar there is no indication the leading note should be sharpened. I suppose it doesn't have to be... My strong opinion is that in cadences 4-3 the 3 always is #3 in this period. So I think it has to be sharpened. How reliable is the figuring in these sources (when they put it in at all? I think one problem is that they sometimes did not write the figures that "everybody knows". Perhaps this was interesting? And this certainly is not the "only truth"! Arto PS I did not check the alfabeto chords. Sometimes they contradict the continuo line markings ... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] de Visee arr of Corelli - version to b-guitar?
Another question - only to the baroque guitarists in the so called "vihuela list": As far as I know, there is no arr of this Corelli Courante to the theorbo by de Visee. But is there any to the baroque guitar? Or are there actually any arr's of the "big names" to the b-guitar? To the lute and theorbo there are lots of Lully, and here and there some pieces also by other great names of those times. Best, Arto On 16/11/12 22:02, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of every type and baroque guitarists, I find it quite interesting that monsieur de Visee made some arrangements of some of the most famous composers of his time. I tried to play one Corelli arr by him: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18&feature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/53697535 Does anyone here happen to know, for what medium the model, the Corelli, Opera 2a Sonata 10a happens to be? Best, Arto PS Below are the links to my tiny recent efforts of trying to understand de Visee style of writing to the d-minor lute. On 09/11/12 21:25, I wrote: I just tried to play my version ofthe famous Chaconne to theorbo arranged to baroque lute. Possibly by the composer himself? Or not by him? Who knows... [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/53172045 Still another de Visee, kind of bagpipe simulation (just remembering my Scottish set ;-) Robert de Visee: La Muzette in A major and A minor [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djw&feature=youtu.be [6]http://vimeo.com/52755172 Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be [8]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8&feature=youtu.be [10]http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor [11]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zY&feature=youtu.be [12]http://vimeo.com/52292492 -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18&feature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/53697535 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/53172045 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djw&feature=youtu.be 6. http://vimeo.com/52755172 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be 8. http://vimeo.com/51821674 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8&feature=youtu.be 10. http://vimeo.com/52176020 11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zY&feature=youtu.be 12. http://vimeo.com/52292492 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee by baroque lute
Thanks Stuart! de Visee surely played theorbo and guitar, but I do not know about lute. Anyhow he was a professional - so I suppose he played also lute if needed asked, and paid... :-) Perhaps he teached somebody in the Saizenay-gang? And arranged his own theorbo pieces to his student? Perhaps someone here has some more information? I played the theorbo version to yt in 2009 - unfortunately my recording gear (ordinary pocket digital camera) had very low quality in sound recording. My old theorbo version is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTDyMAlHBEc Arto On 28/10/12 12:16, WALSH STUART wrote: Very nice Arto. Does that Rondeau also exist in a version for theorbo? (I seem to remember once having a recording of it). Also (sorry if it's been discussed recently): Are these Saizenay pieces arrangements of De Visee possibly by someone else (rather than original compositions)? It's curious that this music which really emphasises the low basses was composed by a guitarist with nothing lower than a D below middle C in the bass. But guitars and theorbos are different creatures, I suppose. Stuart On 27 October 2012 22:30, Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote: Perhaps someone in the main lute list and in the "vihuela list" (mainly baroque guitar list) could be interested in de Visee stuff by baroque lute? I tried to play some: Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be [3]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8&feature=youtu.be [5]http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zY&feature=youtu.be [7]http://vimeo.com/52292492 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be 3. http://vimeo.com/51821674 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8&feature=youtu.be 5. http://vimeo.com/52176020 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zY&feature=youtu.be 7. http://vimeo.com/52292492 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] de Visee by baroque lute
Perhaps someone in the main lute list and in the "vihuela list" (mainly baroque guitar list) could be interested in de Visee stuff by baroque lute? I tried to play some: Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zY&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/52292492 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
Great project and very beautiful video! Thanks Bud! Arto On 13/09/12 18:29, bud roach wrote: Hello Friends- On this issue I do have something to contribute- a very specific example from the alfabeto repertoire (along with some shameless self-promotion!) In preparation for my recording of Grandi's 3rd volume of arias from 1626, my teacher suggested the alternate fingering 20003, which I had never used before, for a specific phrase where he felt a doubled third was really necessary for the texture. I'm not sure that I make the most of this opportunity in the promo video- I confess I can't hear the difference as well when I'm only listening, but when I'm playing it does give a clarity to the chord change that I also prefer. Now I also use it in faster passages where the major third really needs to come through strongly. [1]https://vimeo.com/47540812 The score is on the screen very briefly at 1:55 (with the chord in question on the downbeat of the final system), and the instance where the alternate fingering was proposed is at 4:50 in the first verse, with three verses to follow. This has been a very interesting thread! Thanks to everyone for your input. Bud To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Hi All
This is interesting! Why dissonances would become more dissonant as pitch is lowered? Is it an opinion or a physical fact? Speaking as a piano tuner, I can say it's a physical fact on a piano. Much less so on a harpsichord, and undoubtedly much less so on a vihuela also. Piano strings are so thick, and under the pressure that they can only sustain because of the metal frame, that the overtones do not come in at exact harmonic intervals, they are a little higher because the string isn't flexible enough to bet at exact halves or thirds or fourths. With low notes the mud produced by those out-of-tune overtones is in your hearing range. With high notes it's out of your hearing range. Thanks Judy! This is also interesting, and explains (partly) why often the 6-accords played on piano sound not too good to my ears. And when played by (well tuned) lute (or vihuela considering the list ;-) they sound often so sweet! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Hi All
gary digman wrote: There may be a reason to be concerned about whether one is tuned in "E", "G" or "A". Dissonances become more dissonant as pitch is lowered. This might noticeably change the texture of the music. This is interesting! Why dissonances would become more dissonant as pitch is lowered? Is it an opinion or a physical fact? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
Roman Turovsky wrote:
I've read through that PDF, and it contains quite a few Ukrainian items,
some of them in really peculiar versions. For example- #22 is really
based on
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.pdf
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts2.pdf
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid
a rather famous (locally) poisoning ballad.
It is also found in one of Ignaz von Held guitar books.
Funny, I remember this piece as a pop song ("schlager") years ago, sung
in Finnish. I cannot remember the lyrics. Perhaps Timo P, another Finn
here, has better memory?
Arto
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[VIHUELA] Re: you tube debut
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 19:03, bill kilpatrick wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyvrCMmt8k Nice! Very nice! Thanks Bill. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Lully for chitarrino!
Dear flat back lutenistis, ;-) as you perhaps know, I have made some arrangements of music by Lully to lute and theorbo. Now I wanted to try also, how Lully would suit to 4 course renaissance guitar. You can find pdf's and also midi's of "Marche pour la Ceremonie des Turcs" and "Canarie" in my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Lully/Marche/ My explanation reads: "These arrangements for chitarrino are made so that it is possible to strum all the chords. That is why some harmonies have been slighly changed - there are some 7th's where Lully did not have them. Also the bar 21 of Canarie is a little tricky: you cannot keep the chord." Arto PS bill, there is lot of strumming in these pieces... :-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lute in 70's Was: hmm
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Rob MacKillop wrote: > >>>Do you disagree?<<< > > Yes. But whether I agree or not is irrelevant to your argument, which seems > to be: because there were not many lute or vihuela players around at that > time, who are we to criticise the playing standard then? If that is your > argument (and I might have misinterpreted you, for which I apologise) then I > find it difficult to articulate a response. I don't understand the logic of > the argument. > > BTW, I had the LP 'Hocus Pocus'. I even have a DVD film of Focus playing on > 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' - a hip tv programme from the seventies and > eighties. I think Akkerman is brilliant. > > I might introduce yodelling into my vihuela recitals! Who knows where it > will lead? People will forgive me in twenty years time, saying 'there were > not many yodellers around at that time - give the guy a break!' :-) I think I did not get the message of your mail at all - those "hocus pocuses" and "whistle tests" and the word "yodelling" etc. are totally unknown to me. But if I had heard Mr. Akkerman's Dowland in 1973 - when I was 20 - I had chosen the lute instead of classical guitar, and become happy already nearly 10 years earlier than I did! I became familiar with the lute only in the turn of 70's and 80's... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lute in 70's Was: hmm
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Rob MacKillop wrote: > Arto, I'm not sure what your point is? Well, Akkerman played very well considering the video was from 1973 and considering he played the Dowland piece in a rock concert, as I guess it was played! I do not know his background, either his "band" if there is such. Anyhow his interpretation of the piece in that low quality video was one of the best I've heard of that piece of Dowland! Do you disagree? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Lute in 70's Was: hmm
> > James Tyler, Robert Spencer, > > Anthony Bailes, Diana Poulton, Dumbois, Donna Curry, > > Richard Glenn, Jurgen Hubscher, Walter Gerwig, Konrad > > Ragossnig, Anthony Rooley, Narcisso Yepes And you never know how far to the skies the Internet reaches today... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Lute in 70's Was: hmm
Dear all, BTW, who of us played lute or vihuela better in 1970's than those video examples of Williams or Akkermann, not to speak of Bream? Just a thought... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Free music, was: Concert in Helsinki (fwd)
Dear "flat-back" lutenists, I sent the message below to the lute list, and as far as I know, not all of the vihuela list members are reading the lute list: -- Forwarded message -- Dear lutenists, I wrote about a concert of Latin American baroque last December: > > Chamber Choir Utopia > > dir. and baroque harp Andrew Lawrence-King . > >* Ricardo Padilla, percussion > >* Annamari Pölhö, organ > >* Visa Jämsä, dulcian > >* Arto Wikla, chitarrino > >* Timo Peedu, baroque guitar > >* Teppo Hirvonen, baroque guitar > > > > Composers: Milan, Gutiérrez de Padilla, Hidalgo, Fernandez, Ruiz de > > Ribayaz y Foncea. Now the choir has published 3 pieces as mp3's in the net! Go to page http://www.utopiachoir.org/konsertit/ It is in Finnish, but don't worry! Just srcoll down a little and find the yellow part with the title "fiesta!". At the end of yellow there is the Finnish text "Kuuntele!". That is "Listen to!" in English. And there you'll find the three mp3's: * Kyrie * Chaconas * Juancho Enjoy! :-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] New features in my Calculator
Dear "flatback lutenists", I had time to document my New String Calculator in http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/ The new features: * In the old calculator you had only two possibilities for tuning the a', only 440 Hz and 415.3 Hz. Now it is possible to choose any pitch to the a', in the range 1-2 Hz. Of course you normally set it to 440 Hz, 415 Hz, 430 Hz, 460 Hz, 442 Hz, ..., to something "normal". So just edit the second "Hz"-field and enter the new value! * Now you can use "two calculators" for both calculating the tensions and calculating the diameters; it is nice to be able to compare near-by diameters/tensions when you are selecting strings. * When you change the note parameters (name, octave, pitch of a') or string parameters ( length, material density), all the valid calculations are made automatically. * When changing the diameter or the tension, you can of course "push the button", but also an "enter" in the parameter field will activate the calculation. * For choosing the string material now there is a "box". Be aware that those material densities are just examples! You can of course edit directly the density field. * There are also some other minor changes in usability etc. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Arto's New String Calculator
Dear lutenists, vihuelists and early guitarists (and sorry for crossposting!), I have made a brand new version of my rather popular String Calculator (many of you perhaps know it, see http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html) The New String Calculator is still a test version! And there is no documentation yet, will be soon... The users of my old calculator will easily find, how to use the new one, though. And perhaps you may find also some useful new features. And probably also some errors! Please let me know about those! So be my "beta-testers" and let me know especially, if there is something wrong with it. (I know a couple of minor matters: error messages popping up several times sometimes, but nothing major yet...) The test version (v.0.9) of my New Calculator is in address: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/ All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Mean tone temperament
Dear all, still a tiny addon to my comment on Monica's message: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Monica Hall wrote: > As far as I'm aware the guitar was usually tuned to a sort of equal > temperament - at least that is what Doisi de Velasco says and how else > would they have been able to play in the 12 different major and minor > keys - as they were wont to do? But I do vaguely remember also reading > somewhere that lutenists sometimes did something like this and even > that there was a name for the practice. First: To me the "better than equal" temperaments vere perhaps one of the main reasons to change from classical guitar (in the common meaning of that word) to early music, and to lute instruments! Nowadays the harsh equally tempered major third is to me a difficult thing to listen in the main harmonies of the key. Second: I strongly doubt that the "official" tempered tunings of keyboard instruments are really useful in fretted lutes/theorboes/guitars - we have to use one string/course for many notes... I believe in the practical ways of setting our movable frets, and the use of some "tastini" here and there, see my quotations of V. Galilei: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/fronimo.html Third: There are many less "radical" temperaments than the variations of the mean tone temperaments. Some of them - being still unequal - allow the use of all the 12 + 12 keys. As far as I have understood it, in the baroque time the slightly different interval relations between the keys was really means of expression, source of expressing different emotions: A key where tonic, subdominant and dominant are quite pure is calm. The more they deviate from pure, the more restless is the expression. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Mean tone temperament
Dear Monica > I don't know whether there is still anyone on this list - but if there > is There are! ;-) > perhaps they can tell me what they know about Mean Tone Temperament on > plucked stringed instruments, especially the baroque guitar. For background you perhaps can read the following articles: http://www.kylegann.com/histune.html http://cnx.org/content/m11639/latest/ All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Concert in Helsinki
If you happen to be around, next tuesday there will be a concert of Spanish and Mexican baroque music in Helsinki: Chamber Choir Utopia dir. and baroque harp Andrew Lawrence-King 20.12.2005, 19:30 at Olaus Petri Church, Minervankatu 6, Helsinki * Ricardo Padilla, percussion * Annamari Pölhö, organ * Visa Jämsä, dulcian * Arto Wikla, chitarrino * Timo Peedu, baroque guitar * Teppo Hirvonen, baroque guitar Composers: Milan, Gutiérrez de Padilla, Hidalgo, Fernandez, Ruiz de Ribayaz y Foncea. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Some music by me (Was: Sanz uploads
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, billkilpatrick wrote: > scorching, arto. i took the liberty of posting your mp3 address to the > various charango sites. complimenti - bill Thanks Bill. I added also my tab of the Bella Pedrina (and some other pieces) to the page. So you can see I strum much more than my own arrangement of the (originally 4 part piece) notates. So, we are free to strum... :-) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Some music by me (Was: Sanz uploads)
Hi vihuela list On Friday 04 November 2005 21:26, Rob MacKillop wrote: > Your comment about the bray harp (see below) is an interesting one. > For those who are unaware, the 'bray' refers to a bit of wood on the > soundboard of a Renaissance harp which touched the string gently. As > the string was struck it would buzz as it hit against the block. [...] > cut through in ensemble playing. So far I have not heard of one lute > player who has tried to recreate this sound - does anyone know > someone who has? I already had some private communication with Rob of my "kind of doing" this (only as an effect) . And I sent him the example. Well same time I learned how to make files from cd... And then put some solos to the net (wma and mp3). The piece trying to partly imitate "bray harp" is the Branle de village II. And perhaps Bill might be interested in hearing the chitarrino strumming in my arrangement of Zannetti's Bella Pedrina... ;-) The address of the page is http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/own/ Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] 4 course music in Braye ms.
Dear vihuelists and early guitarists, this info has been already submitted to the lute list, but perhaps everyone here is not reading the "main list". That is why I copy my messages here: In Yale, Beinecke Lib. there are some mss. online. I happened to notice that there are also some pieces for some 4 course instrument in the tuning of renaissance guitar, chitarrino, in the Braye ms. My advise for finding the ms: 1) Go to page http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/ 2) Type Braye to the Submit Search field and submit 3) You come to a page, where there is a photo of the book cover and one example page 4) Click the small picture of "three pages" below the cover photo. There you have the pages of the ms. In the book the tabulature on the f. 40r - 44r is for a 4 course instrument in renaissance guitar tuning. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Sanz uploads
Dear Rob, you wrote among other matters: > Your comment about the bray harp (see below) is an interesting one. For > those who are unaware, the 'bray' refers to a bit of wood on the soundboard > of a Renaissance harp which touched the string gently. As the string was > struck it would buzz as it hit against the block. This was the standard .. > So far I have not heard of one lute player who has tried to > recreate this sound - does anyone know someone who has? Many years ago I recorded a CD with the ensemble Poor Knights, where I played some solo pieces. In one of the "Branles of Village" by Besardus I put a piece of paper touching gently on the bass strings to create just this "bray" effect of renaissance harp. The bass of the piece is just a jumping borduna. And "buzzes" well. :) I guess the CD is not anymore available, but I could try to make a file of the CD track, if you are interested. (Well, how to make that? :) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: rasgueo
Hi (and a copy to the vihuela-list) On Thursday 15 September 2005 01:35, you wrote: > thank you arto, i will. i think i have a cd of his > ... does he play harp? He is a harpist virtuoso, but in his bands there have been also strummers of renaissance and baroque guitars. I'll google a little, just a moment .. yes, perhaps you could check for example the following: -- http://www.harmoniamundi.com/usa/album_fiche.php?album_id=239 Harmonia Mundi HMU907212 ¡Jácaras! Paul O'Dette, guit. Andrew Lawrence-King, ps. Pedro Estevan, perc. Pat O'Brien, guit. Steve Player, guit. http://www.harmoniamundi.com/usa/album_fiche.php?album_id=610 Harmonia Mundi HMU907293 "...a vivid programme that juxtaposes an exuberant Mass by Juan Gutiérrez de Padilla with the Latin American and African folk-dances which inspired it. Discover the rich mixture of intellectualism and sensuality which characterized mid-17th-century Hispanic baroque." - Deutsche Harmonia Mundi 05472 77355 2 LA PÚRPURA DE LA ROSA TOMAS DE TORREJON Y VELASCO Andrew Lawrence-King The Harp Consort Judith Malafronte, Ellen Hargis All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: rasgueo
Dear Bill, On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, bill kilpatrick wrote: > andean. haven't a clue what rhythms might have been > popular during the baroque period in europe (outside > the conservatory, of course ... ) you game to try > something from the baroque repertoire with a south > american flavor? > > .. could be a whole new genre! Just check out A. Lawrence-King and his gang! All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: proposed name change
Dear Wayne and all, I really would not like to be without the infinite - but very good and informative! - discussion about the "bourdons and re-entrantness" of the 5 course baroque guitar by Monica, Lex et al.! And perhaps there will be more vihuela talk, too? Also interesting. But I think the single strung 6 string instrument deserves another forum; not because it is less important, but because I would not like it to shadow the discussion we have now in the VIHUELA. So what could be a proper name? DOUBLE COURSE FLATBACKS BEFORE 1800 is too long, VIHUELA is too narrow, as is perhaps also BAROQUE-GUITAR is limited, thinking of my dear chitarrino... ;-) What about something like EARLY FLATBACKS? Or a better name with the same semantics? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: guitar continuo
Hi all On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Lex Eisenhardt wrote: > There is Biagio Marini's op XXII. In this ensemble work of rather > straightforward homophonic dances Marini added alfabeto. The guitar can be > used, 'a beneplacito'. There is a modern edition by S.P.E.S. In this case > the guitar is probably not supposed to follow the indicated bass line and it > seems likely that there was a real bass instrument playing the line. It > seems to be an exception, one of the very few ensemble works with a clear > reference to the guitar, in alfabeto. But there seems to be vocal music with this system of bass line and guitar alfabeto. For ex. The four books f Villanelli by Kapsberger (1610, 1619, 1619, 1623). The first and third have also theorbo tabulature. Il secondo libro d'arie musicali by Stefano Landi, 1627. Scherzi e canzonette by Biagio Marini, 1622. This was just a pick from my bookshelf. I think I have seen also other vocal music published this way. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: re-entrant tuning, las sirenas, jarana
Dear Bill, On Wed, 18 May 2005, bill kilpatrick wrote: > a possible tuning for these pieces would be > Gg-cc-ee-aa which is one course shy of a charango > tuning. I am not sure, if I have understood your quest right, and if I tell something you already know, I am sorry! So only just in case: There is quite vast amount of music for chitarrino, renaissance 4 course guitar, "guitarra di sette corde". If you want so see mine, take a look to http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LutePics/Chitarrino.gif and http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LutePics/ArtoChitarrino.gif The instrument is tuned gG-cc-ee-a, or in some pieces fF-cc-ee-a. The important composers/publishers include Le Roy, Ballard, Gorlier, Morlaye, ... All those are French around the middle of 16th century. The French seemed to love this tiny little instrument! :-) And of the "re-entrantness": At least I, and I guess most of the chitarrininsts (is there such word?) use to set the octave of the lowest string (g or sometimes f) nearer to the thumb. So even when there is also the "borduna", it is very convenient to play only the higher octave string with the thumb, and get the "campanella" and play and think "re-entrantly"! Arto PS When I started learning the right way of strumming - after having learned the idea from Pat O'Brian - I went several times to watch and listen to the "local" Indian band on the streets here in Helsinki: It was (and is) clear that the way the charango players strum their instruments is just the way Pat was explaining in a music course in Bremen several years ago! Later I have heard an explanation that the jesuit-priests (is that the word?) founded several music schools in the "New World" and taught music to the Indians. Perhaps European chitarrino technique has been preserved in the music of Latin America? And perhaps just in charango playing? (Did you like this, Bill? ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Tarantella for r-guitar or b-guitar?
Dear "flat-back-lutenists", do I get it right? This list is meant for vihuela players, renaissance guitar players, baroque guitar players, and such? So, to the "flat-back-lutenists"? ;-) If I am right in that, I would like to start a discussion and gather a list of all the "Tarantella", or such, named pieces for "flat-backs". I guess there is none to vihuela, many to b-guitar, perhaps some to chitarrino (=renaissance guitar=4 course guitar). And alfabeto works for both, too! So send your lists and links of the pdf's and ps's to the list, please. :) BTW; If I have got ir right, RT seems to be kind of aracnophobic. So I suggest him a look to one of my pets for ex. in the page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/Tarantula/hh0303/111-1118_IMG.html All in all, a kind of explanation to my interest in Tarantella dances is that I have some Tarantula pets! Nice and interesting animals! See my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/Tarantula/ All the (perhaps interesting! I hope so! ;-) texts are in Finnish only, Sorry for that! But I guess RT will manage with that too? He seems to be talented person, anyway? ;-))) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
On Monday 28 February 2005 16:39, Rob MacKillop wrote: > Roman, you are welcome to this list. You are doubtless happy that MO > has gone, however there are many of us who wish he had stayed. If I had to choose between them, ..., well it is best to shut my mouth... ;-)) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Baroque Guitar???
Dear "flat back lute" players... ;-) On Thursday 24 February 2005 14:50, Edward Martin wrote: > Perhaps the relationship between guitar & theorbo is that they are > both used as continuo instruments. Just a small addition: Another thing in common is the re-entrant tuning that both intsruments have. Perhaps for that you need a special kind of humour? :-) I enjoy that kind of tunings in my theorboes and my 4 course chitarrino! In my 4-courser I have the octave in the "thumb side". So cross string campanella works fine! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
