Re: CD rom???
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:52:12 -0500 From: jsoderlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CD rom??? I have a IIci w/o CD rom Drive , I would like to know if it is possible to make a IDE CD rom with it? There are no IDE controllers for the IIci (NuBus IDE controller), so there isn't really any way to get and IDE bus on the IIci, so the answer is mostly 'no'. However, there is a company that builds an IDE to SCSI bridge. This is a card/plate which plugs into an IDE drive and provides a SCSI connection. It is marketed for hard drives, but you may wish to investigate it and see if it would work with CDROM drives. However, by the time you purchased one, it would be cheaper to just get a SCSI CDROM drive. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD rom???
At 16:29 -0600 on 29/01/03, Jeff Walther wrote: However, there is a company that builds an IDE to SCSI bridge. This is a card/plate which plugs into an IDE drive and provides a SCSI connection. It is marketed for hard drives, but you may wish to It works with any SCSI device (well, almost any - there are probably some tape drives that it doesn't like) but requires *at least* a 5.25 drive bay to work, which makes it suitable primarily for CD-ROMs and hard disks in Macs with room to spare, or very large external cases. investigate it and see if it would work with CDROM drives. However, by the time you purchased one, it would be cheaper to just get a SCSI CDROM drive. By about US$75, yes. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD rom???
--- jsoderlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a IIci w/o CD rom Drive , I would like to know if it is possible to make a IDE CD rom with it? thanks, jeff Yes, using an external SCSI case and a SCSI to IDE convertor. But that will cost way more than the IIci is worth. ;) But for some people cost doesn't matter. Better off to find an 8x to 12x SCSI CD-ROM drive and an external case to put it in. = Subatomic conspiracy group: The Free Mesons. (There are very few good jokes in quantum physics.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Update Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
At 11:13 PM -0400 8/11/02, the pickle wrote: At 20:02 -0700 on 11/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I connected it to my 7300 this morning and apparently the Pioneer control panel can't see anything on the secondary SCSI bus. Bummer. Next step will be to try it on the Power IIci and see if it works with the single SCSI bus on it. Can any of the 3rd party disk drivers handle CD changers? None of the ones I tried when I had one of these hooked up to a Q650 could... I used an NEC 7 CD drive with my WGS80 server using FWB's CD-ROM Toolkit. It worked well enough but at various times it would cycle through all 7 CD-ROMs which took a couple of minutes. Very annoying. I've since replaced that server and drive with a 7500 and a 60Gb IDE drive. Instead of serving CD-ROMs I store image files of them on the HD, mount them as volumes on the server and serve them on the network. I can serve a lot more than 7 CDs this way and they are much faster too. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: cd rom player
--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How fast a cd rom player can a vintage Mac handle? I've a IIfx, a IIci, a Quad 700 and a Quad 840av. I've got 2 cd rom players (one sits inside the Quad 840av), but I'm not very much inpressed by the speed of this beast... The 840av itself is pleasantly speedy, but the cd player is slow. Copying the contents over ethernet goes faster... That just doesn't seem right to me. The cd-rom's maximum speed will 150 kps times it's rated max. So if it is a 4x cd-rom, then it's maximum transfer rate is 600 kilobytes per second. 10baseT Ethernet is generally has a greater transfer rate than older cd-roms up to about 8x. In addition, the Mac file system is somewhat inefficient, especially on cd-roms. The OS may need to seek around the cd-rom, which is very slow (up to 1 second average seek time on older CD-ROMS). When you move the contents to the hard drive, then do the copy, you are drastically decreasing the seek times and probably increasing the transfer rate from the drive. At that point, the network connection would be the bottleneck. = - Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
try Compact Pro it's a HUGE 165kb ;) you can download it here http://www.eskimo.com/~pristine/compen.html#cpt Al Gregg Eshelman wrote: I just got a Pioneer DRM-604X, which is an external 4x, 6 disc, SCSI CD-ROM changer. :) Unfortunately whomever is in charge of driver software at Pioneer uploaded the Mac driver as a .sea file instead of a plain stuffit archive or .hqx or .bin encoding it. :( I've tried to download it from here http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/CDA/ServiceAndSupport/SelfHelpForIndDet/1,1457,1347,00.html but it always loses the resource fork, and of course SEA files minus resfork equal an unextractable archive. Anyone know of another source for the driver or might have success downloading it from the Pioneer site? I want to use this changer. :) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
--- Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The file will unstuff using stuffit deluxe 5.5 on Basilisk I'll send it to you if you'd like, changed to a sit file. Dont think its a .sea file, try renaming it. Someone else sent it to me already. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
Looks like the Pioneer DRM-604X will have to find a home connected to one of my Macs, assuming it works with 7.6.1 or 9.1. :) My PC's SCSI controller identifies it as a DRM-600. MS totally screwed up how changers work in 2K and XP. :P ATAPI/IDE ones show as a single drive only and you have to jump through hoops to make them change discs. SCSI changers show as multiple drives but refuse to load any discs. :P Nobody seems the least bit eager to fix it either. :( If it won't work on my Macintoshi I'll have to fob it off on someone running Win9x (where it will work properly like six CD-ROMs) or someone running an olde enough Mac System. :) Or I may see if there's a way to make it work as a standalone 6 disc changer for playing audio CDs and jack it into my entertainment system. Hmmm, I wonder if the reserved DIP switch is actually a test switch? All SCSI CD type drives I've seen have a test jumper that when closed makes them start playing an audio CD when loaded. Quickly hit the eject button to skip to the next track. Make use of an olde 1X or 2X drive that way. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
Looks like the Pioneer DRM-604X will have to find a home connected to one of my Macs, assuming it works with 7.6.1 or 9.1. :) My PC's SCSI controller identifies it as a DRM-600. MS totally screwed up how changers work in 2K and XP. :P ATAPI/IDE ones show as a single drive only and you have to jump through hoops to make them change discs. SCSI changers show as multiple drives but refuse to load any discs. :P I think the behaviour is vendor dependant. My ATAPI changer (Nec 4x4) had 4 driveletters, which is why I kicked it out of the computer and gave it away:-) Each time My Computer or another drive selection window came up, it iterated through all driveletters. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
At 12:22 AM -0700 8/11/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I just got a Pioneer DRM-604X, which is an external 4x, 6 disc, SCSI CD-ROM changer. :) Unfortunately whomever is in charge of driver software at Pioneer uploaded the Mac driver as a .sea file instead of a plain stuffit archive or .hqx or .bin encoding it. :( I've tried to download it from here http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/CDA/ServiceAndSupport/SelfHelpForIndDet/1,1457,1347,00.html but it always loses the resource fork, and of course SEA files minus resfork equal an unextractable archive. Anyone know of another source for the driver or might have success downloading it from the Pioneer site? I want to use this changer. :) Try running the file through Stuffit Expander. I know you can do this with SEAs that are created with StuffIt. It may work on just the data fork since this is usually where the archive is. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Update Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
I connected it to my 7300 this morning and apparently the Pioneer control panel can't see anything on the secondary SCSI bus. Bummer. Next step will be to try it on the Power IIci and see if it works with the single SCSI bus on it. Can any of the 3rd party disk drivers handle CD changers? = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Update Re: CD-ROM changer driver for Mac
At 20:02 -0700 on 11/08/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I connected it to my 7300 this morning and apparently the Pioneer control panel can't see anything on the secondary SCSI bus. Bummer. Next step will be to try it on the Power IIci and see if it works with the single SCSI bus on it. Can any of the 3rd party disk drivers handle CD changers? None of the ones I tried when I had one of these hooked up to a Q650 could... -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there was any way to use a PC CD Rom on a IIci? The discs or the drives? For the discs you need extentions like foreign file access, ISO 9660, High Sierra, all the ones in the Apple CD driver setup. Plus you should have PC-Exchange installed too. For Joliet CDs with long filenames there's a freeware extention at http://www.tempel.org/joliet That will display the first 31 characters of any Windows LFN instead of the mish-mash the Mac will make of them. For pre OS 8.x with contextual menus, it comes with a control strip module for manually switching the read mode on Joliet CDs should you really want to view them as ISO 9660. Trivia question! How did the High Sierra CD-ROM format get its name? As for the drives, if it's SCSI it'll work, as long as it's plain old narrow SCSI. Other types of SCSI aren't common on CD-ROM drives. IDE drives can be adapted with an IDE to SCSI converter. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
--- Scott Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read the ATAPI addition to the IDE bus is very similar to SCSI. It's why the SCSI emulation under Linux works as well as the ease with which IDE devices can be used as SCSI devices on the various PC Mac emulators. I haven't read anything on what that means on the hardware side of things. That's why ATAPI devices are handled via an ASPI (Advanced SCSI Programming Interface) driver in Windows.) For best results you need to install a bus master driver from the motherboard's chipset vendor that makes ATAPI devices show up by name instead of just generic. Then you can directly access and init an IDE hard drive with Basilisk II, but do so at your own risk and it'll only work with one partition for some reason. (And only one HFS partition, no other types on it. Haven't tried HFS+ with 040 emulation mode yet.) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
Yeah... Any system above 7.5.3 should see it alright. Marten On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 02:14 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there was any way to use a PC CD Rom on a IIci? jes -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
What if it is IDE ? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if it is IDE ? If it is an IDE CD-ROM drive you can buy a SCSI adapter or housing from ACARD (I don't know who your local supplier would be) which will allow you to use and IDE CD-ROM on hard disk on a Mac. They are not cheap though. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
I thought you meant the discs, now you are talking about the actual device IDE should be possible using a converter. Those scsi-to-ide converters are pretty common. Modern external scsi device often have ide stuff on the inside. On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 02:20 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if it is IDE ? Marten -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
Thanks! jes - Original Message - From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: CD Rom On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if it is IDE ? If it is an IDE CD-ROM drive you can buy a SCSI adapter or housing from ACARD (I don't know who your local supplier would be) which will allow you to use and IDE CD-ROM on hard disk on a Mac. They are not cheap though. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
At 20:20 -0400 on 10/04/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if it is IDE ? You could get an $89 card to make it into SCSI, or you could buy a SCSI CD-ROM for $10 on eBay... the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
At 02:40 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: converters are pretty common. Modern external scsi device often have ide stuff on the inside. Marten, are you OK? You've been making a lot of posts that haven't made any sense or had any grounding in reality lately... Modern external SCSI devices are nearly *universally* SCSI-based. Modern *FireWire* devices are universally IDE. But that's WAY OT for this list. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 02:47 , the pickle wrote: At 02:40 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: converters are pretty common. Modern external scsi device often have ide stuff on the inside. Marten, are you OK? You've been making a lot of posts that haven't made any sense or had any grounding in reality lately... Modern external SCSI devices are nearly *universally* SCSI-based. My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed he was right. I think I am OK. Marten -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
At 02:58 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed he was right. I think I am OK. Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;) the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
the pickle wrote: My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed he was right. Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;) I'd suggest you'd require another substance before you'd believe it. :) To keep on topic- http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,50820,00.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD Rom ????
At 09:02 PM 4/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: At 02:58 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed he was right. I think I am OK. Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;) the pickle From what I've read the ATAPI addition to the IDE bus is very similar to SCSI. It's why the SCSI emulation under Linux works as well as the ease with which IDE devices can be used as SCSI devices on the various PC Mac emulators. I haven't read anything on what that means on the hardware side of things. Scott Holder -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question
At 04:30 PM 04/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case. Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating and air conditioning shop should be able to make up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the step. Not unless I'm gonna put fins and chrome headlights on it too *grin*! Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] New and improved site: http://www.xws.com/terispage/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question
--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:30 PM 04/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case. Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating and air conditioning shop should be able to make up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the step. Not unless I'm gonna put fins and chrome headlights on it too *grin*! Teri Pittman If you don't want to use metal, there's various types of plastic sheet that's thick enough for the job. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Cd-rom identification help.
--- James S Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CR-507-C is a Matsushita-made, Apple-branded 12X SCSI CD-ROM drive. The CR-506-C is a 8X drive used in the 8500s. Logically, I'd guess it's a 4X drive in the same series. The 507 and 506 actually specify the speed on the drive label. It's odd the 505 doesn't. What's odd is the evaluation tag on the lable. Could be an engineering sample sent out for testing. I've chatted on IRC with a guy who works in the testing lab at Micron in Boise, ID. They get to play with all the latest computer goodies before us peons even hear about them! (Yes, even Mac stuff.) At one time he mentioned a Super Cube, the samples of which they'd recieved had a problem with one of the RAM slots not working properly. Apparently with the dismal sales of the original Cube, Apple decided to shelve the Super Cube. Micron recieved eight engineering samples of the Cube, then bought eight more of the shipping version, which was identical to the ES version so they didn't bother to do much testing on them. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Cd-rom identification help.
At 10:22 -0500 on 29/03/02, John Carrell Swanson wrote: Any body know what speed the apple CR-505-C Evaluation model cd-rom dirve is. I doubt anybody will but felt like asking. Any other identifying information? Like a copyright date, or anything? My preliminary guess is 2x, but it *might* be 4x. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Cd-rom identification help.
It is copyrighted 1996. Firmware 6.0D At 10:22 -0500 on 29/03/02, John Carrell Swanson wrote: Any body know what speed the apple CR-505-C Evaluation model cd-rom dirve is. I doubt anybody will but felt like asking. Any other identifying information? Like a copyright date, or anything? My preliminary guess is 2x, but it *might* be 4x. the pickle -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Cd-rom identification help.
The CR-507-C is a Matsushita-made, Apple-branded 12X SCSI CD-ROM drive. The CR-506-C is a 8X drive used in the 8500s. Logically, I'd guess it's a 4X drive in the same series. The 507 and 506 actually specify the speed on the drive label. It's odd the 505 doesn't. Have you tried using it? The Apple System Profiler (or, Mt Everything or SCSI Probe) should give you the Matsushita model number, which you *may* be able to get info on from the Panasonic web pages. On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 06:55 AM, John Carrell Swanson wrote: It is copyrighted 1996. Firmware 6.0D At 10:22 -0500 on 29/03/02, John Carrell Swanson wrote: Any body know what speed the apple CR-505-C Evaluation model cd-rom dirve is. I doubt anybody will but felt like asking. Any other identifying information? Like a copyright date, or anything? My preliminary guess is 2x, but it *might* be 4x. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
