Re: Greek voice in I/os 6

[Andrew Lamanche]

I am beginning to have a dreadful suspicions that the responses we get from 
Apple become more and more mechanised, i.e. issued by a computer or similar 
means. The thing is that the Greek voice used to work fine in the previous 
version and is broken in I.Os 6. I've been informed of a response from Apple on 
this issue that it will be solved in the release of i/Os 6. The point is that 
number 6 has been released already and the Greek voice has been broken in it. 
So I;m not sure whether we are being heard here or just given a standard 
answer. I imagine somebody spending a few hundred pounds on the strength of the 
knowledge that I/Os has a Greek voice and then not be able to use it. Don't 
they test the voices with native speakers?

Anyway, sorry for this. I'm a 100 % Apple person but this is upsetting and 
somewhat unfair.

Best wishes

Andrew
On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:44, Victor Gouveia  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I have a friend who reported this bug to Apple, and they claim it is being 
> worked on, and a fix will be released in the next iOs update.
> 
> I'm glad you came forward about this because she was beginning to think it 
> was just her iPhone doing it.  LOL.
> 
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Re: Focus 40 Braille Display

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Hope,

When you're on the last line of a page (or you go too far and back up a line), 
press Space with O, or press down on the right rocker bar to go to the next 
page. Pressing up on the right rocker or pressing 2-4-6-chord takes you back a 
page.

HTH,
Anna



On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Hope Hein  wrote:

> When using the Focus 40 Blue Braille Display, how do you page up and down 
> when in iBooks? It does not work the way it says in the User Manual. Also, is 
> there a list of commands for using the Focus 40 Blue with iOS6? Thank you 
> very much.
> Hope
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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Chuck Dean]

If you have a monitor, don't forget about the Mac mini. It's only about $600 
and is about the size of a Kleenex box. Works great! I am running both the Mac 
Mini and my PC in conjunction into the same monitor using at VGA a b switch. 
With this set up, I can go back and forth between the Mac and PC as I learn the 
voiceover on the Mac. I started doing this in January, and about 90% of my work 
is now done on the Mac. I also have an iPad, but I don't think it offers  
enough for my normal everyday computing I do quite a bit of web design.
Chuck  

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Re: Subtle noise when shaking iPhone 5?

[Eric Stevens]

Grant, I have had this in the past three iPhones starting with the 4,
4S and I notice it on my wife's five. I don't know if it is something
like an accelerometer in there or what.

Eric

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On Oct 23, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies guys! This is a rather split discussion I'd
> say. I was hoping everyone would either say "it's normal" or "nope,
> get it exchanged immediately." *grin*
>
> It sounds like the tiniest piece of...plastic, or something...moving
> around inside the iPhone 5. I thought of taking it into my nearest
> Apple store, but the noise is so subtle that I know we won't be able
> to hear it in a crowded store. I also tend to worry about my new
> gadgets a little obsessively, so it may well be totally normal. The
> device, certainly, functions well.
>
> Does anyone have an iPhone 5 that doesn't make any sound when shaken?
>
> Grant
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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kathy,

I also really like my iPhone and it's amazing what you can do with it.
However, don't make the mistake to just assume that a Mac is going to be
just as awesome. You can't compare an iPhone to a Mac and while I am sure
Mac lovers disagree, I firmly hold that a PC running Windows 7 with now Jaws
14 is a better solution if you are a power user. If all you do is write
emails, do Skype, browse the web and so on a Mac with Voiceover maybe OK,
but then again you can do that with just an iPhone or an iPad. I am not sure
what you mean by "JAWS and internet explorer are driving me crazy with all
the crashes etc.", to me that is such a generalized statement and while a PC
can crash and while Jaws can sometimes become unresponsive, it's not like a
Mac is immune to these things. If you do a lot of browsing I think Jaws,
especially 14 with the new flexible web feature and all the things like
navigation quick keys etc. will be more efficient and it's not as if you
don't have choices regarding your browser, you can use IE, Firefox and
Chrome and sometimes I use IE for one thing and Firefox for another thing
because I discovered one works better than the other for certain
applications. The nice thing is that Jaws features like navigation quick
keys, placemarkers or the flexible web feature works regardless.

I listened to the announcement today of the new MacBook laptops and while
they sound like awesome computers, I can still buy a Windows laptop with the
same specs (except maybe the weight and thickness) for $600 or $700 less
than the entry level MacBook Pro 13 inch. I bought an Acer TimelineX laptop
last January, so almost a year ago, and it has very similar specs as far as
processor and memory is concerned, it has a 120 Gig solid state drive and
it's actually a 15 inch laptop with a full keyboard including numeric pad
plus it has a DVD Writer. I also get about 8 hours of battery life and the
entire thing including the upgrade to the solid state drive was $900. I'd
have to spend $2,000 to get a 15" Macbook Pro with these specs or maybe even
more and it's not as if I care whether it has a retina display.

These are just some thoughts for those who are super impressed with the
MacBooks Apple announced today. AS I said, they are beautiful and definitely
sound like fantastic computers, but as is usual, people tend to think of
anything Apple makes as superior and that is not always entirely justified.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Greek voice in I/os 6

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Andrew,

I have a friend who reported this bug to Apple, and they claim it is being 
worked on, and a fix will be released in the next iOs update.

I'm glad you came forward about this because she was beginning to think it 
was just her iPhone doing it.  LOL.


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Focus 40 Braille Display

[Hope Hein]

When using the Focus 40 Blue Braille Display, how do you page up and 
down when in iBooks? It does not work the way it says in the User 
Manual. Also, is there a list of commands for using the Focus 40 Blue 
with iOS6? Thank you very much.

Hope

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RE: Scientific Calculators

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I'd like to learn of it, if you can to share. Thanks.

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Rob Harris
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Subject: Re: Scientific Calculators

what would you like to do?  I can point at a pretty good online calculator 
if you like.

RobH.
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Subject: Scientific Calculators


Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?

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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Joe]

Scott,

Fair point. In my daily word processing I need to make use of footnotes and
other reference notations, indices and other layouts, comments, track
changes, mail merge, document comparisons, and this is completely
independent of the spreadsheet formulaic and diagram operations I need to be
able to perform. My tune may change when Office becomes more accessible with
Voiceover, but for now, detecting simple elements like styles is not
comparable to other products. If anyone is tackling such tasks with relative
ease, by all means set me straight. Part of the issue, as someone else
pointed out, is that for the moment at least the PC still dominates the
workplace, and other assistive solutions have had time to mature along the
way. No wrong answer here, just a difference of opinions.

Joe

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Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad

Joe, although you are entitled to your opinion, I think you have to qualify
"complex" word processing. There are many who would disagree with your
assertions and that applies to either iOS or the Mac platforms.

On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Joe  wrote:

> I have an iPhone, a PC, and a Mac at home. The iPhone is great, but my 
> PC is superior for complex Word editing. Voiceover can be conquered if 
> you want to switch exclusively to the Mac, and if you don't require 
> advanced editing, it'll be great. I don't think Voiceover on the Mac 
> still rivals PC screen readers. To be fair JAWS 14 has come a very 
> long way. My frustration decreased since version 13, but this also has 
> to do with an overhaul of my computer system. That's another thing you 
> don't have to worry about with the Mac. Bottom line, you'll do great 
> with Voiceover, but if anyone likes JAWS, it's not out of the running 
> yet, at least in my own personal opinion.--Joe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kathy and Wilda
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac verses Ipad
> 
> I do have an iphone and love it. JAWS and internet explorer are 
> driving me crazy with all the crashes etc.
> 
> Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad
> 
> I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia 
> and Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to 
> Apple in 2010, and haven't looked back at all!
> 
> The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and 
> most of all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love 
> hate relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, 
> over and over, and over again more, and probably would have continued 
> to do so until I was bleeding to death from all the money that 
> terribly flakey product cost me, and I, I was the hate part of the 
> relationship. I hated being dependant on something which caused me stress,
anxiety and misery.
> 
> Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
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> 
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main 
> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download 
> books from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't 
> have a US port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give 
> me feedback and let me know  their experiences I would greatly 
> appreciate any suggestions or comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and 
> Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>> 
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[Maccessibility] iBooks 3.0 Includes Enhanced VoiceOver Support in PDF Documents

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Title: [Maccessibility] iBooks 3.0 Includes Enhanced VoiceOver Support in PDF Documents
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Apple has released iBooks 3.0, the latest version of their ebook platform for iOS devices. In addition to a variety of other improvements, iBooks now includes enhanced VoiceOver support for PDF documents.

Previously, VoiceOver treated PDF document pages as single entities, and only allowed navigation through the text of an entire page word-by-word or [...]

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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,
I have a BT keyboard; I don't use pages. Too many reports of people losing 
place, or I guess it is vo losing focus etc, and because I have a Mac and an 
old PC, it wouldn't be worth it for me to put in the time to deal with Pages on 
an I-device. But the scanning? With an I-device? No way. I want to be able to 
do books, and can't imagine doing that with an i-device, even if the ocr were a 
ton more reliable than it is right now. I imagine I'll end up putting Windows 
on a Mac when my older pc finally gives up the ghost. But I can't imagine 
giving up all computing devices other than an iPad or iPhone. At least not for 
the foreseeable future.

Mary

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[Maccessibility] Apple Introduces iPad mini

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Title: [Maccessibility] Apple Introduces iPad mini
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  “iPad mini is every inch an iPad. With its gorgeous 7.9-inch display, iPad mini features the same number of pixels as the original iPad and iPad 2, so you can run more than 275,000 apps designed specifically for iPad,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. “iPad mini is as [...]

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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Cheryl Ann Homiak]

I don't think anything needs to be out of the running. I primarily use my 
Mac with my iPhone a close second. Then comes my linux very close behind, 
and then Windows 7 with Windoweyes, System Access and occasionally the 
Jaws demo but my Windows system is just for fun or when all else fails. I 
had an iPad 1 and didn't use it enough so gave it to a friend. I liked it; 
i just found I didn't use it as much as I thought I would. But it doesn't 
mean i'll never use an iPad again. Each person needs to use the 
combination of equipment and software that works best for her/him and for 
most of us even that isn't static; I'm always re-evaluating what works 
best for me and my new braille display, even though it only has 18 cells, 
is changing the way I do things on the Mac and iphone a lot. No, nothing 
ever needs to be out of the running.



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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Neil,

Totally agree with you with the Apple experience vs PC and JAWS if you are a
home user but it doesn't work that way yet in the office worled.  Chances
are that if you are employed, you will still need to put up with the JAWS
experience.

Ron & Danvers
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad

I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and
Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010,
and haven't looked back at all!

The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of
all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate
relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and
over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until
I was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost
me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant
on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.

Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.




Regards,

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On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:

>  
>  
> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>  
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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Mary,

I have been working with accessibility for 22 years now and would like to
suggest the following:

 Get an IPad and a Mac if you wish or get an IPad and keep your PC but do
not change your computer for an IPad.  You would regret that for a long
time. Tablets are certainly not up to replacing a computer yet and probably
never will be.

HTH

Ron & Danvers

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Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad


There is an app for reading books from bookshare called read2go for the iPad
and phone etc. You download books directly inside the app and can use either
voice over or the speech that comes with the app to read those books. I
would never replace my computer with an iPad for at least two reasons. I
scan books. Can't do that on an iPad. I also don't think the word processors
are ready for accessibility prime time on any i-device compared with a pc or
even a Mac. The iPad is fine for email and the web etc. But as a content
creation device, as a blind person, I don't think it compares with a
computer.

Mary

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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Scott Howell]

Joe, although you are entitled to your opinion, I think you have to qualify 
"complex" word processing. There are many who would disagree with your 
assertions and that applies to either iOS or the Mac platforms.

On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Joe  wrote:

> I have an iPhone, a PC, and a Mac at home. The iPhone is great, but my PC is
> superior for complex Word editing. Voiceover can be conquered if you want to
> switch exclusively to the Mac, and if you don't require advanced editing,
> it'll be great. I don't think Voiceover on the Mac still rivals PC screen
> readers. To be fair JAWS 14 has come a very long way. My frustration
> decreased since version 13, but this also has to do with an overhaul of my
> computer system. That's another thing you don't have to worry about with the
> Mac. Bottom line, you'll do great with Voiceover, but if anyone likes JAWS,
> it's not out of the running yet, at least in my own personal opinion.--Joe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kathy and Wilda
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac verses Ipad
> 
> I do have an iphone and love it. JAWS and internet explorer are driving me
> crazy with all the crashes etc.
> 
> Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad
> 
> I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and
> Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010,
> and haven't looked back at all!
> 
> The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of
> all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate
> relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and
> over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until
> I was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost
> me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant
> on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.
> 
> Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
> from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
> port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
> let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
> comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>> 
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Scott Howell]

I have been a Mac user for a number of years now and since my Credit Union 
fixed their site I have no real need for IE. In fact they recently updated 
their iOS mobile banking app and it is incredibly accessible, so I am finding 
that the site is less necessary even. I use both the iPad and iPhone, but I 
still do use my Mac for some tasks that are simply not available yet on the iOS 
platform. I truly can say I do not regret making the move and it can only get 
better.

On Oct 23, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:

> I do have an iphone and love it. JAWS and internet explorer are driving me
> crazy with all the crashes etc.
> 
> Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad
> 
> I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and
> Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010,
> and haven't looked back at all!
> 
> The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of
> all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate
> relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and
> over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until
> I was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost
> me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant
> on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.
> 
> Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
> from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
> port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
> let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
> comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>> 
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Scott Howell]

Mary,

I actually think with VueScan Mobile and Prizmo, you actually could work with 
the scanning thing. As far as "word processing" I think with a bluetooth 
keyboard, Pages, and some of the other similar apps it may be possible. 
Perfect? Maybe not, but I think time will see improvements here as well. 
Obviously all this is based on what you are trying to do. I won't say you are 
wrong, but true we ain't quite there yet. :)

On Oct 23, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> 
> There is an app for reading books from bookshare called read2go for the iPad 
> and phone etc. You download books directly inside the app and can use either 
> voice over or the speech that comes with the app to read those books. I would 
> never replace my computer with an iPad for at least two reasons. I scan 
> books. Can't do that on an iPad. I also don't think the word processors are 
> ready for accessibility prime time on any i-device compared with a pc or even 
> a Mac. The iPad is fine for email and the web etc. But as a content creation 
> device, as a blind person, I don't think it compares with a computer.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Joe]

I have an iPhone, a PC, and a Mac at home. The iPhone is great, but my PC is
superior for complex Word editing. Voiceover can be conquered if you want to
switch exclusively to the Mac, and if you don't require advanced editing,
it'll be great. I don't think Voiceover on the Mac still rivals PC screen
readers. To be fair JAWS 14 has come a very long way. My frustration
decreased since version 13, but this also has to do with an overhaul of my
computer system. That's another thing you don't have to worry about with the
Mac. Bottom line, you'll do great with Voiceover, but if anyone likes JAWS,
it's not out of the running yet, at least in my own personal opinion.--Joe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kathy and Wilda
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac verses Ipad

I do have an iphone and love it. JAWS and internet explorer are driving me
crazy with all the crashes etc.

Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad

I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and
Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010,
and haven't looked back at all!

The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of
all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate
relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and
over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until
I was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost
me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant
on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.

Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:

>  
>  
> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>  
> 
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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[MamaPeach]

So the 5th gen doesn't sound louder when using VoiceOver than on the 4th 
gen? I find that VoiceOver on the 4th gen is very low and definitly hard to 
hear. I don't want to purchase the 5th gen hoping for louder VoiceOver when 
it isn't any better.


-Original Message- 
From: Kristeen Hughes

Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

I find the fourth generation and the fifth generation to be pretty close and 
how they sound. I too like the US voice, and I am not bothered by the 
tinniness.


Kristeen Hughes
khwi...@gmail.com
Skype: lostonsylvane

On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Tinny is is the ear of the beholder.
It is more tinny than the 4s, but less tinny than the 3rd gen touch.
But, I'm happy with the default U.S. voice where a lot of people I know 
can't stand it and use the Australian voice instead.

So, it is hard to quantify such a subjective thing as how voices sound.

HTH,
Richard



(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch)

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris  wrote:

Richard what does VoiceOver sound like on the new touch since you are 
hearing more treble? Does it sound tinny for example. Thanks!



Christopher Hallsworth

On 23/10/2012 14:32, Richard Turner wrote:

Mary and all,

My 5th gen touch came a day early, very nice surprise.

I would say the speaker is certainly better than the 3rd generation 
touch.
It has more treble in it than the iPhone 4S.  The 4S has a fuller sound 
and

will handle a bit more volume without starting to distort.
I personally would have no trouble listening to books or even music over 
the
speaker, though music will be far more enjoyable over headphones or 
external

speakers.


I too am surprised and disappointed that they did not include ear phones
with the button on the cord.  It seems incredibly cheap on Apple's part 
to
not include that.  They took the step of adding Siri, but you are not 
given
the option out of the box to access Siri from the headset.  And, as 
always

with the touch, they don't include a wall charger.
I will say, the earbuds do sound better than the old ones.  I also have 
my
Bose with the in-line mic and controls, but I don't always want to use 
them.


The other thing that will take some getting used to is how much thinner 
and
longer it is than the 3rd gen.  It is a good half inch taller and since 
it

has a thinner frame, it seems narrower, but the screen area is the same
width.

I did a restore from my backup and everything appeared pretty much the 
same

as on my 3rd gen except for the extra new apps like FaceTime and Passbook
and camera.

The fact that we can now put 16 apps in each folder is very nice.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem


Richard,

When you get that 5th gen Touch, please let us know what you think of the
speaker as compared with the speaker on your present model. I think you 
and
I may have the same, 3rd gen touch. I'm hoping that the speaker is a 
little
improved on this new one but haven't made it to the Mac store to check 
that
out. I'm kind of waiting on the iPad mini announcement to see what it 
offers
versus the new Touch, and one of the things that would really make me 
look
hard at the Touch would be if the speaker were more or less on par with 
the

one in the 4S. I suppose that's a small thing, but for me, that 3rd gen
Touch speaker got to be a real drag. Sure there is airplay and there are
docks. But sometimes it is just nice to have the device by itself.

Mary

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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Kristeen Hughes]

I find the fourth generation and the fifth generation to be pretty close and 
how they sound. I too like the US voice, and I am not bothered by the tinniness.

Kristeen Hughes
khwi...@gmail.com
Skype: lostonsylvane

On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Tinny is is the ear of the beholder.
It is more tinny than the 4s, but less tinny than the 3rd gen touch.
But, I'm happy with the default U.S. voice where a lot of people I know can't 
stand it and use the Australian voice instead.
So, it is hard to quantify such a subjective thing as how voices sound.

HTH,
Richard



(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch)

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Richard what does VoiceOver sound like on the new touch since you are hearing 
> more treble? Does it sound tinny for example. Thanks!
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 23/10/2012 14:32, Richard Turner wrote:
>> Mary and all,
>> 
>> My 5th gen touch came a day early, very nice surprise.
>> 
>> I would say the speaker is certainly better than the 3rd generation touch.
>> It has more treble in it than the iPhone 4S.  The 4S has a fuller sound and
>> will handle a bit more volume without starting to distort.
>> I personally would have no trouble listening to books or even music over the
>> speaker, though music will be far more enjoyable over headphones or external
>> speakers.
>> 
>> 
>> I too am surprised and disappointed that they did not include ear phones
>> with the button on the cord.  It seems incredibly cheap on Apple's part to
>> not include that.  They took the step of adding Siri, but you are not given
>> the option out of the box to access Siri from the headset.  And, as always
>> with the touch, they don't include a wall charger.
>> I will say, the earbuds do sound better than the old ones.  I also have my
>> Bose with the in-line mic and controls, but I don't always want to use them.
>> 
>> The other thing that will take some getting used to is how much thinner and
>> longer it is than the 3rd gen.  It is a good half inch taller and since it
>> has a thinner frame, it seems narrower, but the screen area is the same
>> width.
>> 
>> I did a restore from my backup and everything appeared pretty much the same
>> as on my 3rd gen except for the extra new apps like FaceTime and Passbook
>> and camera.
>> 
>> The fact that we can now put 16 apps in each folder is very nice.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem
>> 
>> 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> When you get that 5th gen Touch, please let us know what you think of the
>> speaker as compared with the speaker on your present model. I think you and
>> I may have the same, 3rd gen touch. I'm hoping that the speaker is a little
>> improved on this new one but haven't made it to the Mac store to check that
>> out. I'm kind of waiting on the iPad mini announcement to see what it offers
>> versus the new Touch, and one of the things that would really make me look
>> hard at the Touch would be if the speaker were more or less on par with the
>> one in the 4S. I suppose that's a small thing, but for me, that 3rd gen
>> Touch speaker got to be a real drag. Sure there is airplay and there are
>> docks. But sometimes it is just nice to have the device by itself.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Rob Harris]

We're more or less back to the MBA again then!
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad



There is an app for reading books from bookshare called read2go for the iPad 
and phone etc. You download books directly inside the app and can use either 
voice over or the speech that comes with the app to read those books. I 
would never replace my computer with an iPad for at least two reasons. I 
scan books. Can't do that on an iPad. I also don't think the word processors 
are ready for accessibility prime time on any i-device compared with a pc or 
even a Mac. The iPad is fine for email and the web etc. But as a content 
creation device, as a blind person, I don't think it compares with a 
computer.

Mary

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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Rob Harris]

You can buy adapters for the iPad to give it a usb port, then you can plug 
low power demand devices into it.  Remember the iPad is not going to want 
to power other things.  I know pen drives are supported and since the stream 
is power sufficient I should think, it should be supportable too.

I had a bunch of these, but for the more modern iPads, so no good to me;  so 
I sold them, but no one came back to say they didn't work.  Not expensive 
either.

RobH.
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Mac verses Ipad






I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
let me know  their experiences I would greatly apppreciate any suggestions
or comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda



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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Kathy and Wilda]

Good points! I do have the read to go app on my phone and I do use it
however I do like my victor stream. I am tending toward the Mac but just
wanted to know what people thought. Going from a PC to Mac , how difficult
is the learning curve?

Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda


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Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad


There is an app for reading books from bookshare called read2go for the iPad
and phone etc. You download books directly inside the app and can use either
voice over or the speech that comes with the app to read those books. I
would never replace my computer with an iPad for at least two reasons. I
scan books. Can't do that on an iPad. I also don't think the word processors
are ready for accessibility prime time on any i-device compared with a pc or
even a Mac. The iPad is fine for email and the web etc. But as a content
creation device, as a blind person, I don't think it compares with a
computer.

Mary

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Greek voice in I/os 6

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Listers,

In case there are some Greek speakers on the list, I have to say that much to 
my disappointment the Greek voice in the new I/Os operating system is broken. 
That means that it is actually unusable. It attempts to spell in Greek rather 
than read. In fact, it spells out some of the letters and then attempts to 
pronounce the rest in chunks. It makes it totally unusable. I've e-mailed 
accessibility about this. It is very upsetting as I have to study through the 
medium of Greek. It used to work alright in the previous i.os system. 

Please warn anybody who needs to use the Greek language.

Best wishes

Andrew

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RE: Mac verses Ipad

[Kathy and Wilda]

I do have an iphone and love it. JAWS and internet explorer are driving me
crazy with all the crashes etc.

Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda


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Subject: Re: Mac verses Ipad

I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and
Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010,
and haven't looked back at all!

The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of
all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate
relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and
over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until
I was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost
me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant
on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.

Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.




Regards,

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On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:

>  
>  
> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or
comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>  
> 
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[David Chittenden]

I have to agree. I switched to the Mac a year ago this month.

Voice-Over on the Mac functions quite differently from screen-readers on 
Windows, so you will need to give yourself plenty of time and patience to learn 
the new system. Also, Mac does many things differently as well.

As for going exclusively to the iPad without a computer, it is possible unless 
you need to do semi-complex word processing. Pages for iOS is accessible except 
when it comes to renaming files. For that, it gets difficult. That said, there 
are apps for the iPad which do not exist for the iPhone, that write and edit 
word documents. As I do not yet have an iPad, I do not know if, or how well, 
they are accessible. I've played with a friend's iPad for surfing the net and 
really enjoyed the relational experience for examining web pages. With my Mac, 
it is a bit more hit and miss, though overall, I prefer surfing the net with my 
mac.

In my case, my iPhone 5 is my primary computer. I use my mac for editing and 
formatting papers for my doctoral studies. I also use it for EndNote reference 
tracking as EndNote is required by my University, and I have not yet found an 
iOS version of the program. If one ever comes out, I may almost never turn on 
my Mac.

Do to the nature of my research, I am currently saving for an iPad Mini. I will 
need it when I begin the practical portion of my research. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 24/10/2012, at 9:08, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  wrote:

> I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and 
> Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010, 
> and haven't looked back at all!
> 
> The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of 
> all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate 
> relationship together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and 
> over, and over again more, and probably would have continued to do so until I 
> was bleeding to death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost 
> me, and I, I was the hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant 
> on something which caused me stress, anxiety and misery.
> 
> Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I’m thinking of going 
>> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main 
>> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books 
>> from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn’t have a US 
>> port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and 
>> let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or 
>> comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>> 
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Re: Downcast video playing as audio question

[JoJo and Clinton]

Did you try going into the actions menu after you have entered a podcast that 
you want to listen to?

JoJo

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Re: Determining Itunes version number

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Choose Check for Updates, which I think is on the Help menu in Windows. In 
addition to telling you whether there's an update, the dialog will tell you 
what version you're running.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Donald L. Roberts"  
wrote:

> On my Windows 7 64-bit PC running Window-eyes 7.5.4.1, how do I determine the 
> version number of Itunes which is on my PC?
> 
> If someone can point me to a worthwhile podcast on how to use iTunes on the 
> PC with Window-eyes, please let me know.  Perhaps it's my thick skull or my 
> advancing age, but frankly I did not find the podcast on the GW web site 
> particularly enlightening.
> 
> Thanks for ideas.
> 
> Don Roberts
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I would say, that unless you mainly are looking for a consumption device, that 
you'll likely need a Mac as well as an iOS product like iPad or iPhone.


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>  
>  
> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I’m thinking of going 
> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main 
> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books 
> from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn’t have a US 
> port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and 
> let me know  their experiences I would greatly apppreciate any suggestions or 
> comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>  
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I cannot comment on your book point, but, will say that I was a Nokia and 
Widnwos PC user for donkey's years, moved over exclusively to Apple in 2010, 
and haven't looked back at all!

The Voice Over experience is reliable, consistent, user friendly and most of 
all a joy to use. I always felt that JAWS and I lived a love hate relationship 
together, Freedom Scientific loved to screw me over, over and over, and over 
again more, and probably would have continued to do so until I was bleeding to 
death from all the money that terribly flakey product cost me, and I, I was the 
hate part of the relationship. I hated being dependant on something which 
caused me stress, anxiety and misery.

Apple's products do what you want, without fuss and without hassle.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
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PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

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On 23 Oct 2012, at 20:43, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:

>  
>  
> I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I’m thinking of going 
> exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main 
> computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books 
> from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn’t have a US 
> port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and 
> let me know  their experiences I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or 
> comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda
>  
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Re: Mac verses Ipad

[Mary Otten]

There is an app for reading books from bookshare called read2go for the iPad 
and phone etc. You download books directly inside the app and can use either 
voice over or the speech that comes with the app to read those books. I would 
never replace my computer with an iPad for at least two reasons. I scan books. 
Can't do that on an iPad. I also don't think the word processors are ready for 
accessibility prime time on any i-device compared with a pc or even a Mac. The 
iPad is fine for email and the web etc. But as a content creation device, as a 
blind person, I don't think it compares with a computer.

Mary

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Mac verses Ipad

[Kathy and Wilda]

 

 

I have been a PC Jaws user for many years and I'm thinking of going
exclusively Apple. First do any of you just use the Ipad as your main
computer and if so what are the pros and cons? Also I like to download books
from Bookshare to my Victor stream and I know the Ipad doesn't have a US
port.Is there a work around for that? If anybody could give me feedback and
let me know  their experiences I would greatly apppreciate any suggestions
or comments. Thanks in advance.Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda

 

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Re: Scientific Calculators

[Rob Harris]

what would you like to do?  I can point at a pretty good online calculator 
if you like.

RobH.
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Subject: Scientific Calculators


Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?

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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Rob Harris]

Amazing,   why didn't the Mini announcement hit the list like all the other 
stuff?  I'd still go with the Touch 5 since I can't afford the other.

RobH.
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem


Thanks, Richard. Now with the new iPad mini officially announced, the 
decision really is a difficult one.

Mary

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Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client

[Rob Harris]

It's to drive a remote computer,  remote desktop is the desktop on that 
computer, the one you try to connect to with this software, which as the 
nearest interface, is the client. Telnet is an old Unix terminal access 
system,  that's all there was before DOS and the Personal computer.  Linux 
still have Telnet server features, so the more likely to be able  to dribe 
it's desktop remotely,  from your iPhone or whatever.

Hth, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Fanus" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Hello Rob and Keith
Please tell this uninformed guy what does one do with an app
such as prompt and what exactly is a remote desktop client?
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Harris" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Hahahahahaha, my new RII keyboard gets a stutter sometimes
too.
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Wow, don't know what happened with that last email. I tried
to say Yes there
are a couple but the one I like is called Prompt.

Keith

On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Keith Watson 
wrote:

> Yte'sled  Prompt. Works great!
>
>
> Keith
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Donald Raikes
>  wrote:
>
>> hello listers,
>>
>> Is there an accessible ssh/telnet client for the IPhone5?
>>
>> I use a combination of windows and linux as my desktop
>> computers, and
>> would like to be able to access the linux box from my
>> iphone on
>> occasion.
>>
>> if there were an accessible remote desktop solution for
>> either type of
>> desktop o/s that would be great as well.
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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Richard. Now with the new iPad mini officially announced, the decision 
really is a difficult one. 

Mary

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Determining Itunes version number

[Donald L. Roberts]

On my Windows 7 64-bit PC running Window-eyes 7.5.4.1, how do I 
determine the version number of Itunes which is on my PC?


If someone can point me to a worthwhile podcast on how to use iTunes on 
the PC with Window-eyes, please let me know.  Perhaps it's my thick 
skull or my advancing age, but frankly I did not find the podcast on the 
GW web site particularly enlightening.


Thanks for ideas.

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RE: Scientific Calculators

[Ron Pelletier]

Actually, the standard calculator is not in scientific mode in portrait mode
at all.  It is only visible in landscape mode

HTH

Ron


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Calculators

Depends on what you are looking for. The stock Calculator app offers some
scientific functions when the phone is turned to portrait mode. There is
also CalcMadeEasy which offers a variety of calculating options and works on
all iOS devices.
I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations.

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> Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?
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Re: Scientific Calculators

[Scott Howell]

Yep, sorry I was thinking landscape and typing portrait. 
On Oct 23, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

> I think you meant when turned to landscape mode.
> Richard
> 
> 
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> Of Scott Howell
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Depends on what you are looking for. The stock Calculator app offers some
> scientific functions when the phone is turned to portrait mode. There is
> also CalcMadeEasy which offers a variety of calculating options and works on
> all iOS devices.
> I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations.
> 
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> 
>> Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?
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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Richard Turner]

Tinny is is the ear of the beholder.
It is more tinny than the 4s, but less tinny than the 3rd gen touch.
But, I'm happy with the default U.S. voice where a lot of people I know can't 
stand it and use the Australian voice instead.
So, it is hard to quantify such a subjective thing as how voices sound.

HTH,
Richard



(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch)

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Richard what does VoiceOver sound like on the new touch since you are hearing 
> more treble? Does it sound tinny for example. Thanks!
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 23/10/2012 14:32, Richard Turner wrote:
>> Mary and all,
>> 
>> My 5th gen touch came a day early, very nice surprise.
>> 
>> I would say the speaker is certainly better than the 3rd generation touch.
>> It has more treble in it than the iPhone 4S.  The 4S has a fuller sound and
>> will handle a bit more volume without starting to distort.
>> I personally would have no trouble listening to books or even music over the
>> speaker, though music will be far more enjoyable over headphones or external
>> speakers.
>> 
>> 
>> I too am surprised and disappointed that they did not include ear phones
>> with the button on the cord.  It seems incredibly cheap on Apple's part to
>> not include that.  They took the step of adding Siri, but you are not given
>> the option out of the box to access Siri from the headset.  And, as always
>> with the touch, they don't include a wall charger.
>> I will say, the earbuds do sound better than the old ones.  I also have my
>> Bose with the in-line mic and controls, but I don't always want to use them.
>> 
>> The other thing that will take some getting used to is how much thinner and
>> longer it is than the 3rd gen.  It is a good half inch taller and since it
>> has a thinner frame, it seems narrower, but the screen area is the same
>> width.
>> 
>> I did a restore from my backup and everything appeared pretty much the same
>> as on my 3rd gen except for the extra new apps like FaceTime and Passbook
>> and camera.
>> 
>> The fact that we can now put 16 apps in each folder is very nice.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem
>> 
>> 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> When you get that 5th gen Touch, please let us know what you think of the
>> speaker as compared with the speaker on your present model. I think you and
>> I may have the same, 3rd gen touch. I'm hoping that the speaker is a little
>> improved on this new one but haven't made it to the Mac store to check that
>> out. I'm kind of waiting on the iPad mini announcement to see what it offers
>> versus the new Touch, and one of the things that would really make me look
>> hard at the Touch would be if the speaker were more or less on par with the
>> one in the 4S. I suppose that's a small thing, but for me, that 3rd gen
>> Touch speaker got to be a real drag. Sure there is airplay and there are
>> docks. But sometimes it is just nice to have the device by itself.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Revamped Steps For Getting Tonido To Work

[MamaPeach]

I have had to redo the directions for the Tonido as I messed up on a step 
involving only adding selected drives instead of having access to the whole 
computer. Here are the full instructions again.
First and foremost, you need to download the Tonido Desktop.exe file from the 
Tonido website. Be sure you choose the file that is appropriate for your 
operating system. It is best to use Internet Explorer for this. If you are 
wanting to access your main computer, you must install this file to that 
computer. Tonido's download page is: 
http://www.tonido.com/application_download.html 
Once you have this file downloaded, you of course have to install it. 
Once installed, you must launch the file in order to create your new account 
with Tonido.
Please note that once installed, the Tonido Desktop file is set to run in your 
system tray, so there is no need to activate it from the actual .exe file, 
unless you have shut it off and want to turn it back on. Then simply activate 
it from the icon that hopefully you told it to place on your desktop. 
Once launched, you will be prompted to create your new account.
In the first edit field, you must provide your chosen account name. 
Below this is a link where you can check to make sure your chosen account name 
is available to use. Check this by simply arrowing down once. It will most 
likely tell you that it is available, unless of course someone else has chosen 
that same name. If it is taken, shift tab and try a different account name. 
Tab once.
In this edit field, enter in your chosen account password. 
Tab again.
In this edit field, reenter your chosen account password.
Tab again
In this edit field, enter in your preferred email address. 
Tab again.
Make sure to check the box that says you agree to their terms and conditions 
Tab again.
Click on the create button. 
Look down the page to make sure it has given you your URL that you will use for 
accessing your account through the internet or via a mobile device. This URL 
should look like this: 
http://acountname.tonidoid.com 
After doing this, you can close Tonido, you are done installing Tonido!
Next, download the app from The Apple store to your iPod, iPad or iPhone, or 
any other mobile device that the Tonido page says it supports. 
Once downloaded, double tap the app to open it. 
The Tonido app will open on the account information. This is where you enter in 
the information that you used when you created your account via the Tonido 
Desktop program.
This is a little tricky as there are three edit fields here. 
The first edit field has a URL in it. Double tap on this edit field to edit 
this URL.
The <<>> remain. All you need to type into this field is your 
chosen account name and then the tunidoid.com. So it should look like this in 
the first edit field. 
http://accountname.tonidoid.com 
Then Flick to the next edit field which should now show your user name already 
there. If not, double tap to activate this edit field and enter in your account 
name only. 
Flick to the next edit field. Double tap to activate. Enter your account 
password. 
Flick up to the done button and double tap to activate it. 
Once this is done, you should have full access to your computer and all 
external drives hooked up to your machine. 
If you don't want all folders and drives to show, open the Tonido in your 
system tray. Enter your password. Once the Tonido page has loaded, click on 
Tools. Then click on Settings. Next go to Miscellanious, which is really tricky 
to access, but it can be done if you are well adept at using Jaws. I have no 
clue how to access it with Window Eyes or NVDA. 
I accessed it with Jaws by doing the following: 
After clicking on Settings, hit f6 
Then tabb until you find the buttons, which are: 
General, Account, Network, Misc, Log and About.
Click on the Miscellanious button.
After clicking on the Miscellanious button, go down the page until you find 
where it says: 
Add allowed folder button.
Click on this button
Arrow down several times to find the edit field to type in your drive letter.
type in something like this 
G:\
H:\
i:\ 
j:\
or whatever drive letter you want access to. 
You can also browse to this drive by clicking on the browse button.
Click on the Add button
Find where it says 
Enable access to only selected folders
Make sure this is checked
Now you will have access to just the drives you added instead of your whole 
entire computer.
I hope these directions have helped in some way. It seems intimidating but it 
is actually very easy to set up and once set up, it is so awesome to be able to 
access your own music, photos and other stuff from your iPhone, iPod, iPad, 
Android, Blackberry, etc. Why load your device up with music when you have full 
access to your own stuff and it won't eat up space on your phone.

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RE: iBlindTech 27 is out. Ariadne GPS

[dan]

Hi Garth, I have been told that I sould use Navigon along with this program.
Will you do a podcst on navigon?  Also let me know if you would run the two
together. That being navigon and Ariadne.  I can't thank you enough for the
info on Ariadne.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iBlindTech 27 is out. Ariadne GPS

 

Hi All

 

This week's episode is a quick look at the app Ariadne GPS. This is not your
standard walk through of all the app features. Instead, this time I wanted
to show one of the use cases for the app. In other words, I wanted to show
you why I find the app so valuable in my day to day life. The episode is a
recording of myself using the app on my bus ride to work.  I hope you enjoy.


 

Click here to play Episode 27
 

 

Garth 

 

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Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Chris]

Richard what does VoiceOver sound like on the new touch since you are 
hearing more treble? Does it sound tinny for example. Thanks!



Christopher Hallsworth

On 23/10/2012 14:32, Richard Turner wrote:

Mary and all,

My 5th gen touch came a day early, very nice surprise.

I would say the speaker is certainly better than the 3rd generation touch.
It has more treble in it than the iPhone 4S.  The 4S has a fuller sound and
will handle a bit more volume without starting to distort.
I personally would have no trouble listening to books or even music over the
speaker, though music will be far more enjoyable over headphones or external
speakers.


I too am surprised and disappointed that they did not include ear phones
with the button on the cord.  It seems incredibly cheap on Apple's part to
not include that.  They took the step of adding Siri, but you are not given
the option out of the box to access Siri from the headset.  And, as always
with the touch, they don't include a wall charger.
I will say, the earbuds do sound better than the old ones.  I also have my
Bose with the in-line mic and controls, but I don't always want to use them.

The other thing that will take some getting used to is how much thinner and
longer it is than the 3rd gen.  It is a good half inch taller and since it
has a thinner frame, it seems narrower, but the screen area is the same
width.

I did a restore from my backup and everything appeared pretty much the same
as on my 3rd gen except for the extra new apps like FaceTime and Passbook
and camera.

The fact that we can now put 16 apps in each folder is very nice.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem


Richard,

When you get that 5th gen Touch, please let us know what you think of the
speaker as compared with the speaker on your present model. I think you and
I may have the same, 3rd gen touch. I'm hoping that the speaker is a little
improved on this new one but haven't made it to the Mac store to check that
out. I'm kind of waiting on the iPad mini announcement to see what it offers
versus the new Touch, and one of the things that would really make me look
hard at the Touch would be if the speaker were more or less on par with the
one in the 4S. I suppose that's a small thing, but for me, that 3rd gen
Touch speaker got to be a real drag. Sure there is airplay and there are
docks. But sometimes it is just nice to have the device by itself.

Mary

Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: gifting apps with the new App Store?

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.
Apple has removed this feature in IOS.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den 23/10/2012 kl. 15.33 skrev Teresa Cochran :

> I haven't tried it on IOS yet, but in ITunes, this option is under the 
> "Actions for …" menu on each app page.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:45 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> In iOS 5, gifting apps was easy. I looked in the App Store today to
>> gift an app for a friend, and couldn't find it anywhere. I thought
>> perhaps it would be under the share button, but no, just the ability
>> to email, tweet, etc. Does anyone know how this now works or if it
>> even does with the new App Store?
>> 
>> Many thanks for any help!
>> Scott
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Re: iCloud

[Barbara Wilson]

Thanks for that. It said all data would be deleted so I stopped there, but if 
it gives you an option then I’ll go ahead.

Barbara


From: Lois Butterfield 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iCloud

Hi Barbara,

I just had to do the same thing.  You should delete your old account or you 
won’t be able to set up a new one.  The message you get gives you a choice to 
save the data to your phone, and that is what you need to do.  It’s deleted 
from the cloud, but you can put it back once you have your new account set up.

Lois

From: Barbara Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iCloud

Hi

Hope someone can help.

I have changed my Apple username and password. However, now I can’t sync with 
iCloud on my iPhone. I can input the new password in iCloud, but I can’t find 
how to edit the username?

If I delete the account to create another one, it’s telling me all the data on 
the phone synced with iCloud will be deleted, so what can I do?

Many thanks.

Barbara

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Re: iCloud

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Hi Barbara,

I just had to do the same thing.  You should delete your old account or you 
won’t be able to set up a new one.  The message you get gives you a choice to 
save the data to your phone, and that is what you need to do.  It’s deleted 
from the cloud, but you can put it back once you have your new account set up.

Lois

From: Barbara Wilson 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iCloud

Hi

Hope someone can help.

I have changed my Apple username and password. However, now I can’t sync with 
iCloud on my iPhone. I can input the new password in iCloud, but I can’t find 
how to edit the username?

If I delete the account to create another one, it’s telling me all the data on 
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Many thanks.

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[Maccessibility] Apple to Stream Live Event

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Title: [Maccessibility] Apple to Stream Live Event
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Apple has just announced that it will be live streaming its event today at 10:00 AM PDT/1:00 PM EDT on both Apple.com and the AppleTV. As a result, Maccessibility will not be streaming our usual live discussion during the announcements.

Apple is widely expected to take the wraps off of a new, smaller iPad [...]

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Re: downgrade

[Christopher Chaltain]

"no one moans" about bugs in JAWS upgrades? You must not be on the same
lists I'm on. FS bashing is right up there with MS bashing, IOS versus
Android debates and so on, at least on the lists I'm still following.

On 23/10/12 06:02, Fanus wrote:
> Hello List
> What puzzles me is that, since I got the iPhone 3GS three 
> years ago with IOS3 we now are with IOS6 and we did not pay 
> a cent and I think this was great value for nothing. While, 
> by comparrison, and this is my personal opinion, we have to 
> pay for each JAWS upgrade and since JAWS 10 my feeling is 
> that we did not get value for money for the upgrades up to 
> the current JAWS 14 and, although there are bugs with each 
> upgrade, for which we pay, no one moans.
> Regards
> Fanus
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: downgrade
> 
> 
> Hi, your statement isn't really fair. I mean, yes you are 
> entitled to
> your opinion, but come on, every operating system has bugs 
> in it. iOS
> 5.0, 5.01, 5.1 and 5.11 were no different. The only reason
> it's making you upset is because you found one which 
> personally impacts
> what you want it to do. I get that and I understand your 
> frustration.
> However if iOS 6 was so bad, then the usage of it wouldn't 
> be up to 62%
> of iOS customers. That tells me that it's not as bad as 
> people make it
> out to be. Just so you know for the future, as has been said 
> already,
> unless you take prior steps to downgrade, you are stuck 
> using the new
> iOS once you install it. I've had a chance to work with iOS 
> 6 on my wife
> and daughter's iPhones and it's not that bad, but then 
> again, it's
> specific bugs I've come across don't impact me personally. 
> If they did,
> then I'd probably be frustrated too. So, I get that part, 
> but it doesn't
> mean that Apple is evil and they are not caring or any of 
> that other stuff.
> 
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> On 10/22/2012 9:51 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
>> Ricardo, I think that the people installed IOs 6, with 
>> bugs, because
>> apple uses so much money, making advertisement of the new 
>> good
>> things, and how wunderful and amazing is the IOs 6. The 
>> problems
>> comes when the users discover that the new things, and how 
>> wunderful
>> or amazing is the new IOs 6, is not enough to make a 
>> balance with the
>> dark side of the new IOs. I mean, apple sold to us the 
>> idea of a
>> great and nice new IOs 6, but nobody let us know aabout 
>> the bugs, or
>> the bad side of the IOs 6, or the bad side of the Ios 5.0. 
>> When we
>> discovered  that we were better with the earlyer versions 
>> of IOs, for
>> xample 5.2, apple doesn;t alow us, to downgrade. It is not 
>> fair. We
>> are making a hard job, reporting, suffering the bugs, or 
>> wrong things
>> that the IOs 6 has, but we don't have the permision from 
>> apple, to
>> downgrade the operated system, of our own devices. Just 
>> because the
>> earlyer version of IOs was working better than the new 
>> one. Sent from
>> my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Ricardo Walker 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't disagree with you for the most part but, I don't 
>>> see where
>>> fairness comes into play.  After all, you didn't have to 
>>> upgrade.
>>> Well, not unless you purchased a device that was already 
>>> running
>>> IOS 6.  Its to Apples advantage to have as much people 
>>> running the
>>> same OS as possible.  This might be one reason why they 
>>> don't want
>>> people downgrading.
>>>
>>> JMO.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info 
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:22 PM, "Pablo Morales"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Sieghard. I glad that you wrote about the IOs 5, and the 
 other
 versions of IOs 5 with out bugs. If I have a IOs 5.2, 
 with out
 bugs as the first IOs 5.0 had, then the IOs 5.2 es 
 better. Now,
 if I have a IOs 6, with bugs, why we can't not come back 
 to the
 IOs 5.2, with less bugs? It is not fair, apple doesn't 
 care what
 the customers are suffering with their bugs with the new 
 version
 of IOs 6. Just they are learning about their own 
 product, with
 the customers. Of course, they don't pay to us anything, 
 but we
 are reporting all bugs that the new IOs 6 has. It is not 
 fair. If
 I had a good version of IOs, why I need to be using a 
 new IOs
 version with bugs? Apple should allow the users select 
 to use a
 earlyer version of IOs, until the new version of IOs 6.x 
 is done,
 and tested, I mean, with out bugs. Why they are learning 
 about
 their own mistakes, they should allow the users to use 
>>>

Re: gifting apps with the new App Store?

[Teresa Cochran]

I haven't tried it on IOS yet, but in ITunes, this option is under the "Actions 
for …" menu on each app page.

HtH,
Teresa

On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:45 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> Hi all.
> In iOS 5, gifting apps was easy. I looked in the App Store today to
> gift an app for a friend, and couldn't find it anywhere. I thought
> perhaps it would be under the share button, but no, just the ability
> to email, tweet, etc. Does anyone know how this now works or if it
> even does with the new App Store?
> 
> Many thanks for any help!
> Scott
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RE: iPod Touch fifth generation problem

[Richard Turner]

Mary and all,

My 5th gen touch came a day early, very nice surprise.

I would say the speaker is certainly better than the 3rd generation touch.
It has more treble in it than the iPhone 4S.  The 4S has a fuller sound and
will handle a bit more volume without starting to distort.
I personally would have no trouble listening to books or even music over the
speaker, though music will be far more enjoyable over headphones or external
speakers.


I too am surprised and disappointed that they did not include ear phones
with the button on the cord.  It seems incredibly cheap on Apple's part to
not include that.  They took the step of adding Siri, but you are not given
the option out of the box to access Siri from the headset.  And, as always
with the touch, they don't include a wall charger.  
I will say, the earbuds do sound better than the old ones.  I also have my
Bose with the in-line mic and controls, but I don't always want to use them.

The other thing that will take some getting used to is how much thinner and
longer it is than the 3rd gen.  It is a good half inch taller and since it
has a thinner frame, it seems narrower, but the screen area is the same
width.

I did a restore from my backup and everything appeared pretty much the same
as on my 3rd gen except for the extra new apps like FaceTime and Passbook
and camera.

The fact that we can now put 16 apps in each folder is very nice.

HTH,
Richard


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Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPod Touch fifth generation problem


Richard,

When you get that 5th gen Touch, please let us know what you think of the
speaker as compared with the speaker on your present model. I think you and
I may have the same, 3rd gen touch. I'm hoping that the speaker is a little
improved on this new one but haven't made it to the Mac store to check that
out. I'm kind of waiting on the iPad mini announcement to see what it offers
versus the new Touch, and one of the things that would really make me look
hard at the Touch would be if the speaker were more or less on par with the
one in the 4S. I suppose that's a small thing, but for me, that 3rd gen
Touch speaker got to be a real drag. Sure there is airplay and there are
docks. But sometimes it is just nice to have the device by itself.

Mary

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RE: Scientific Calculators

[Richard Turner]

I think you meant when turned to landscape mode.
Richard
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Calculators

Depends on what you are looking for. The stock Calculator app offers some
scientific functions when the phone is turned to portrait mode. There is
also CalcMadeEasy which offers a variety of calculating options and works on
all iOS devices.
I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations.

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:09 AM, VaShaun Jones  wrote:

> Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?
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gifting apps with the new App Store?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
In iOS 5, gifting apps was easy. I looked in the App Store today to
gift an app for a friend, and couldn't find it anywhere. I thought
perhaps it would be under the share button, but no, just the ability
to email, tweet, etc. Does anyone know how this now works or if it
even does with the new App Store?

Many thanks for any help!
Scott

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Re: Scientific Calculators

[Scott Howell]

Depends on what you are looking for. The stock Calculator app offers some 
scientific functions when the phone is turned to portrait mode. There is also 
CalcMadeEasy which offers a variety of calculating options and works on all iOS 
devices.
I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations.

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> Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?
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Re: Subtle noise when shaking iPhone 5?

[Garth Humphreys]

This is completely normal. It is some part of the camera. I think the camera 
has something like five lenses and I have heard that the noise is due to a 
floating lens. I wouldn't worry about it at all.


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On 23/10/2012, at 8:55 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:

> Grant, everything makes a sound when shaking. I just tried it with my cat. 
> . Seriously, for what it's worth, I think it's fine.
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> On 10/23/2012 3:19 AM, Grant Hardy wrote:
>> Thanks for all the replies guys! This is a rather split discussion I'd
>> say. I was hoping everyone would either say "it's normal" or "nope,
>> get it exchanged immediately." *grin*
>> 
>> It sounds like the tiniest piece of...plastic, or something...moving
>> around inside the iPhone 5. I thought of taking it into my nearest
>> Apple store, but the noise is so subtle that I know we won't be able
>> to hear it in a crowded store. I also tend to worry about my new
>> gadgets a little obsessively, so it may well be totally normal. The
>> device, certainly, functions well.
>> 
>> Does anyone have an iPhone 5 that doesn't make any sound when shaken?
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
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Scientific Calculators

[VaShaun Jones]

Does anyone know of an app that's accessible for scientific calculations?

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Re: downgrade

[Fanus]

Hello List
What puzzles me is that, since I got the iPhone 3GS three 
years ago with IOS3 we now are with IOS6 and we did not pay 
a cent and I think this was great value for nothing. While, 
by comparrison, and this is my personal opinion, we have to 
pay for each JAWS upgrade and since JAWS 10 my feeling is 
that we did not get value for money for the upgrades up to 
the current JAWS 14 and, although there are bugs with each 
upgrade, for which we pay, no one moans.
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: downgrade


Hi, your statement isn't really fair. I mean, yes you are 
entitled to
your opinion, but come on, every operating system has bugs 
in it. iOS
5.0, 5.01, 5.1 and 5.11 were no different. The only reason
it's making you upset is because you found one which 
personally impacts
what you want it to do. I get that and I understand your 
frustration.
However if iOS 6 was so bad, then the usage of it wouldn't 
be up to 62%
of iOS customers. That tells me that it's not as bad as 
people make it
out to be. Just so you know for the future, as has been said 
already,
unless you take prior steps to downgrade, you are stuck 
using the new
iOS once you install it. I've had a chance to work with iOS 
6 on my wife
and daughter's iPhones and it's not that bad, but then 
again, it's
specific bugs I've come across don't impact me personally. 
If they did,
then I'd probably be frustrated too. So, I get that part, 
but it doesn't
mean that Apple is evil and they are not caring or any of 
that other stuff.

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On 10/22/2012 9:51 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
> Ricardo, I think that the people installed IOs 6, with 
> bugs, because
> apple uses so much money, making advertisement of the new 
> good
> things, and how wunderful and amazing is the IOs 6. The 
> problems
> comes when the users discover that the new things, and how 
> wunderful
> or amazing is the new IOs 6, is not enough to make a 
> balance with the
> dark side of the new IOs. I mean, apple sold to us the 
> idea of a
> great and nice new IOs 6, but nobody let us know aabout 
> the bugs, or
> the bad side of the IOs 6, or the bad side of the Ios 5.0. 
> When we
> discovered  that we were better with the earlyer versions 
> of IOs, for
> xample 5.2, apple doesn;t alow us, to downgrade. It is not 
> fair. We
> are making a hard job, reporting, suffering the bugs, or 
> wrong things
> that the IOs 6 has, but we don't have the permision from 
> apple, to
> downgrade the operated system, of our own devices. Just 
> because the
> earlyer version of IOs was working better than the new 
> one. Sent from
> my iPhone
>
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Ricardo Walker 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't disagree with you for the most part but, I don't 
>> see where
>> fairness comes into play.  After all, you didn't have to 
>> upgrade.
>> Well, not unless you purchased a device that was already 
>> running
>> IOS 6.  Its to Apples advantage to have as much people 
>> running the
>> same OS as possible.  This might be one reason why they 
>> don't want
>> people downgrading.
>>
>> JMO.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info 
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:22 PM, "Pablo Morales"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Sieghard. I glad that you wrote about the IOs 5, and the 
>>> other
>>> versions of IOs 5 with out bugs. If I have a IOs 5.2, 
>>> with out
>>> bugs as the first IOs 5.0 had, then the IOs 5.2 es 
>>> better. Now,
>>> if I have a IOs 6, with bugs, why we can't not come back 
>>> to the
>>> IOs 5.2, with less bugs? It is not fair, apple doesn't 
>>> care what
>>> the customers are suffering with their bugs with the new 
>>> version
>>> of IOs 6. Just they are learning about their own 
>>> product, with
>>> the customers. Of course, they don't pay to us anything, 
>>> but we
>>> are reporting all bugs that the new IOs 6 has. It is not 
>>> fair. If
>>> I had a good version of IOs, why I need to be using a 
>>> new IOs
>>> version with bugs? Apple should allow the users select 
>>> to use a
>>> earlyer version of IOs, until the new version of IOs 6.x 
>>> is done,
>>> and tested, I mean, with out bugs. Why they are learning 
>>> about
>>> their own mistakes, they should allow the users to use 
>>> what ever
>>> IOs is better than the new version of IOs 6.0. I had to 
>>> buy a USB
>>> wifi adapter, and I have my thermostate working fine.The 
>>> problem
>>> is that the IOs 6, doesn't allow to use the phone as a 
>>> bridge
>>> between the thermostate and the wifi home network. How 
>>> ever, I
>>> used the wifi adapter, and know is working fine at home. 
>>> Thanks
>>> Pablo
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard W

Re: Subtle noise when shaking iPhone 5?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Grant, everything makes a sound when shaking. I just tried it with my 
cat. . Seriously, for what it's worth, I think it's fine.


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On 10/23/2012 3:19 AM, Grant Hardy wrote:

Thanks for all the replies guys! This is a rather split discussion I'd
say. I was hoping everyone would either say "it's normal" or "nope,
get it exchanged immediately." *grin*

It sounds like the tiniest piece of...plastic, or something...moving
around inside the iPhone 5. I thought of taking it into my nearest
Apple store, but the noise is so subtle that I know we won't be able
to hear it in a crowded store. I also tend to worry about my new
gadgets a little obsessively, so it may well be totally normal. The
device, certainly, functions well.

Does anyone have an iPhone 5 that doesn't make any sound when shaken?

Grant



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Re: downgrade

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, your statement isn't really fair. I mean, yes you are entitled to
your opinion, but come on, every operating system has bugs in it. iOS 
5.0, 5.01, 5.1 and 5.11 were no different. The only reason

it's making you upset is because you found one which personally impacts
what you want it to do. I get that and I understand your frustration.
However if iOS 6 was so bad, then the usage of it wouldn't be up to 62%
of iOS customers. That tells me that it's not as bad as people make it
out to be. Just so you know for the future, as has been said already,
unless you take prior steps to downgrade, you are stuck using the new
iOS once you install it. I've had a chance to work with iOS 6 on my wife
and daughter's iPhones and it's not that bad, but then again, it's
specific bugs I've come across don't impact me personally. If they did,
then I'd probably be frustrated too. So, I get that part, but it doesn't
mean that Apple is evil and they are not caring or any of that other stuff.

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On 10/22/2012 9:51 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Ricardo, I think that the people installed IOs 6, with bugs, because
apple uses so much money, making advertisement of the new good
things, and how wunderful and amazing is the IOs 6. The problems
comes when the users discover that the new things, and how wunderful
or amazing is the new IOs 6, is not enough to make a balance with the
dark side of the new IOs. I mean, apple sold to us the idea of a
great and nice new IOs 6, but nobody let us know aabout the bugs, or
the bad side of the IOs 6, or the bad side of the Ios 5.0. When we
discovered  that we were better with the earlyer versions of IOs, for
xample 5.2, apple doesn;t alow us, to downgrade. It is not fair. We
are making a hard job, reporting, suffering the bugs, or wrong things
that the IOs 6 has, but we don't have the permision from apple, to
downgrade the operated system, of our own devices. Just because the
earlyer version of IOs was working better than the new one. Sent from
my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Ricardo Walker 
wrote:


Hi,



I don't disagree with you for the most part but, I don't see where
fairness comes into play.  After all, you didn't have to upgrade.
Well, not unless you purchased a device that was already running
IOS 6.  Its to Apples advantage to have as much people running the
same OS as possible.  This might be one reason why they don't want
people downgrading.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:22 PM, "Pablo Morales"
 wrote:


Sieghard. I glad that you wrote about the IOs 5, and the other
versions of IOs 5 with out bugs. If I have a IOs 5.2, with out
bugs as the first IOs 5.0 had, then the IOs 5.2 es better. Now,
if I have a IOs 6, with bugs, why we can't not come back to the
IOs 5.2, with less bugs? It is not fair, apple doesn't care what
the customers are suffering with their bugs with the new version
of IOs 6. Just they are learning about their own product, with
the customers. Of course, they don't pay to us anything, but we
are reporting all bugs that the new IOs 6 has. It is not fair. If
I had a good version of IOs, why I need to be using a new IOs
version with bugs? Apple should allow the users select to use a
earlyer version of IOs, until the new version of IOs 6.x is done,
and tested, I mean, with out bugs. Why they are learning about
their own mistakes, they should allow the users to use what ever
IOs is better than the new version of IOs 6.0. I had to buy a USB
wifi adapter, and I have my thermostate working fine.The problem
is that the IOs 6, doesn't allow to use the phone as a bridge
between the thermostate and the wifi home network. How ever, I
used the wifi adapter, and know is working fine at home. Thanks
Pablo


- Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
 To:  Sent: Monday,
October 22, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: RE: downgrade



Hi Pablo,

OK, I was under the impression you bought the Radio
Thermostat. Unfortunately I can't help you with the Honeywell
and as for iOS 6 I suggest to be patient for just a little
longer since I am pretty sure Apple will push out the first
update to iOS 6 fairly soon and many problems will be fixed.
When iOS 5 came out it also had bugs and issues. I remember
that for example at one point the playback function keys on the
Apple Wireless Keyboard also did not work and I am pretty sure
it was with the first release of iOS 5 and then in a later
update they fixed this. As for the other issues you describe,
well, I can't reproduce your problems with the screen not
locking or the messages app, this all works fine for me. When
you say you did a restore, did you set up the phone as a new
device or did you restore from a backup? If you restored from a
backup this could be the 

Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client

[Fanus]

Hello Rob and Keith
Please tell this uninformed guy what does one do with an app 
such as prompt and what exactly is a remote desktop client?
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Harris" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Hahahahahaha, my new RII keyboard gets a stutter sometimes 
too.
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Wow, don't know what happened with that last email. I tried 
to say Yes there
are a couple but the one I like is called Prompt.

Keith

On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Keith Watson  
wrote:

> Yte'sled  Prompt. Works great!
>
>
> Keith
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Donald Raikes 
>  wrote:
>
>> hello listers,
>>
>> Is there an accessible ssh/telnet client for the IPhone5?
>>
>> I use a combination of windows and linux as my desktop 
>> computers, and
>> would like to be able to access the linux box from my 
>> iphone on
>> occasion.
>>
>> if there were an accessible remote desktop solution for 
>> either type of
>> desktop o/s that would be great as well.
>>
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iBlindTech 27 is out. Ariadne GPS

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi All

This week's episode is a quick look at the app Ariadne GPS. This is not your 
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Re: downgrade

[Scott Howell]

Sieghard,

Very well stated. I agree it is nothing personal and Pablo I truly appreciate 
your frustrations. I have dealt with issues related to my Braille display for 
quite a while. You know I have seen that improve about 95%, so I'm rather 
happy. I have to say overall iOS 6 has been worth the upgrade despite some of 
the bugs. Oh and if you guys are not aware, there apparently is a 6.0.1 release 
in the pipeline. I read an article about this last night and I would anticipate 
a 6.1 not far behind as the article indicated this is being tested internally. 
So, perhaps not much longer and some issues will be resolved.

On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Pablo,
> 
> I also will only comment one more time on these pitiful, "I feel so sorry
> for myself" posts of yours, sorry but I really couldn't find another
> expression especially since nobody else out of the over 1,300 people on this
> list puts forward such a negative attidude about how bad iOS 6 is without
> even the slightest acknowledgement of it's  improvements.
> 
> . This going on and on about how it is not fair of Apple not to allow you to
> downgrade serves no purpose especially since your problem with the Honeywell
> thermostat is probably more the fault of Honeywell than that of Apple.
> Developers have had access to iOS 6 since June and I am almost certain that
> Honeywell could have probably fixed whatever issue they have with iOS 6. You
> also stated that Honeywell even said that there is an issue so why buy the
> product?
> 
> On top of that you did know from what I posted that the Radio Thermostat
> units have been tested and used not only by myself but at least 2 or 3
> others on the list that I know of and everybody is very satisfied, so maybe
> you should just return the Honeywell Thermostat and get a Radio
> Thermostatinstead, I am sure Hone Depot where I understand you purchased the
> unit has a return policy.
> 
> Just as Ben and Richard I find iOS 6 very stabil and the few minor issues
> that will most likely be fixed in my opinion are easily outweight by some of
> the new features and I think there is a good reason why over 60% of iOS
> users have upgraded to iOS 6 since it came out just over 4 weeks ago and why
> about 3 or 4% of Android users have upgraded or maybe I should say "were
> able to upgrade" to the latest version of Android since it came out 4 months
> ago. And as Ben pointed out, nobody forced you to upgrade or spend $800 to
> buy your phone, maybe the best solution for you would be to Jailbreak it and
> by doing so go back to iOS 5 if that is possible. I am not a Jailbreaker so
> I will leave it up to people like Raul, Ben, Joseph or Rose to comment on
> that if they are reading this.
> 
> I personally an happy to put up with a few bugs in order to have the latest
> and best set of features especially knowing how fast Apple is likely to push
> out the first update which most likely will address at least some of these
> issues.
> 
> OK, that's my final comment on this thread, please don't take what I said
> too personal, I understand your frustration and mean no disrespect, but
> sometimes one has to call a spade a spade and in every post you go on and on
> about how unfair it is of Apple not to allow downgrading and I prefer to
> look at the glass to be half full rather than half empty so constant
> negative remarks without balancing them with what is good about something
> don't get any sympathy from me. I will, by the way, be happy to answer
> questions you have happily either on or off-list as I have done in the past
> as long as they concern things I know about.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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Re: downgrade

[Scott Howell]

Pablo, remember this if nothing else. No one forced you to upgrade. You made 
the choice to upgrade and there were concerns expressed about the store and 
other things. Point is when there is an upgrade there may be bugs  because 
internal testing or even testing with a small group does not always catch the 
bugs. Overall the bugs with iOS 6 are not nearly as bad as they could be. ALso 
consider the fact that there are possibly other issues here such as conflicts 
with applications you installed etc. You cannot always point at the OS and say 
in every case this problem is a result of that version of the OS. Sure in some 
cases you can, but there are always many variables to be considered.
Now with all that said it would be nice if Apple had done more to ensure some 
of the issues we as VoiceOver users have seen as well as issues experienced by 
everyone had been addressed, but they were not. We can only hope that Apple 
will have an update out soon. I also want you to consider that sometimes in 
order to keep a schedule for a release of a product, manufacturers and 
developers will release a product knowing there are issues and those will be 
addressed in a subsequent release. And you are correct that sometimes users do 
end up as testers. :) As far as down grading, well hey don't upgrade right 
away. In fact if you really want to play things safe, you wait a couple of 
weeks to see what others are experiencing. If you plan to purchase a product 
you should get on the phone or do whatever to contact the company and find out 
if they have done any testing with that version of the OS, device, etc. Oh and 
not giving you a hard time, I'm just trying to get you to look at this from the 
other end of things. Believe me I have dealt with issues since iOS 4.X and 
knowing that I have accepted that eventually the issues do get resolved. Yes I 
have certain expectations, but realistically know that I have to manage those 
expectations.

On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Pablo Morales  wrote:

> Sieghard.
> I glad that you wrote about the IOs 5, and the other versions of IOs 5 with 
> out bugs. If I have a IOs 5.2, with out bugs as the first IOs 5.0 had, then 
> the IOs 5.2 es better. Now, if I have a IOs 6, with bugs, why we can't not 
> come back to the IOs 5.2, with less bugs?
> It is not fair, apple doesn't care what the customers are suffering with 
> their bugs with the new version of IOs 6. Just they are learning about their 
> own product, with the customers. Of course, they don't pay to us anything, 
> but we are reporting all bugs that the new IOs 6 has. It is not fair. If I 
> had a good version of IOs, why I need to be using a new IOs version with bugs?
> Apple should allow the users select to use a earlyer version of IOs, until 
> the new version of IOs 6.x is done, and tested, I mean, with out bugs. Why 
> they are learning about their own mistakes, they should allow the users to 
> use what ever IOs is better than the new version of IOs 6.0.
> I had to buy a USB wifi adapter, and I have my thermostate working fine.The 
> problem is that the IOs 6, doesn't allow to use the phone as a bridge between 
> the thermostate and the wifi home network. How ever, I used the wifi adapter, 
> and know is working fine at home.
> Thanks
> Pablo
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:44 AM
> Subject: RE: downgrade
> 
> 
>> Hi Pablo,
>> 
>> OK, I was under the impression you bought the Radio Thermostat.
>> Unfortunately I can't help you with the Honeywell and as for iOS 6 I
>> suggest
>> to be patient for just a little longer since I am pretty sure Apple will
>> push out the first update to iOS 6 fairly soon and many problems will be
>> fixed. When iOS 5 came out it also had bugs and issues. I remember that
>> for
>> example at one point the playback function keys on the Apple Wireless
>> Keyboard also did not work and I am pretty sure it was with the first
>> release of iOS 5 and then in a later update they fixed this. As for the
>> other issues you describe, well, I can't reproduce your problems with the
>> screen not locking or the messages app, this all works fine for me. When
>> you
>> say you did a restore, did you set up the phone as a new device or did you
>> restore from a backup? If you restored from a backup this could be the
>> problem as you maybe restoring whatever problems you have. After I updated
>> to iOS 6 I had a few minor problems and decided that in the long run it
>> would be just easier to restore and setup as a new device, then reinstall
>> all my apps from scratch, sync my music again and all that. It took me a
>> few
>> hours in total but it was worth it since I have not have had any problems
>> other than those few that are actual bugs and as I said, I'm sure many of
>> these will be fixed in the next few weeks when the first iOS 6 update
>> comes
>> out.
>> 
>> As for why Honeywell says you can't setup your thermostat with iOS 6

Re: Subtle noise when shaking iPhone 5?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

My I phone 5 makes no sound. In fact none of my I phones have.

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies guys! This is a rather split discussion I'd
> say. I was hoping everyone would either say "it's normal" or "nope,
> get it exchanged immediately." *grin*
> 
> It sounds like the tiniest piece of...plastic, or something...moving
> around inside the iPhone 5. I thought of taking it into my nearest
> Apple store, but the noise is so subtle that I know we won't be able
> to hear it in a crowded store. I also tend to worry about my new
> gadgets a little obsessively, so it may well be totally normal. The
> device, certainly, functions well.
> 
> Does anyone have an iPhone 5 that doesn't make any sound when shaken?
> 
> Grant
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Re: Subtle noise when shaking iPhone 5?

[Grant Hardy]

Thanks for all the replies guys! This is a rather split discussion I'd
say. I was hoping everyone would either say "it's normal" or "nope,
get it exchanged immediately." *grin*

It sounds like the tiniest piece of...plastic, or something...moving
around inside the iPhone 5. I thought of taking it into my nearest
Apple store, but the noise is so subtle that I know we won't be able
to hear it in a crowded store. I also tend to worry about my new
gadgets a little obsessively, so it may well be totally normal. The
device, certainly, functions well.

Does anyone have an iPhone 5 that doesn't make any sound when shaken?

Grant

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Re: Copying and pasting/sharing links

[Rob Harris]

OOoo dear Gads if we could go back to some of the conveniences of DOS and 
the Wordstar command set.   They could put that in the rotor,  block start, 
block end;  then block copy/move/cut or whatever.  I could live with that, 
no idea how I lived without it this long to be honest.  TypeInBraille has 
the nearest to that. I'll qualify,  TnB seems easier on selection and 
navigation than the generic edit field.

R!
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Copying and pasting/sharing links


I have a wish list item. That is to do a gesture at the start of a selection
point and the same gesture to do at the end of the selection point. Then you
could copy, cut, etc. I'm going to e-mail Apple with it, though I'm sure
others have already done so. This pinch nonsense is just that, nonsense and
not at all conducive to the otherwise smooth experience you get on a touch
screen.--Joe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shane Clark
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying and pasting/sharing links

Hi I tried a double tap and held on second tap and I heard no sound and saw
know options to copy. Did I miss something here?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Yes there is. It is in the utilities menu.
>
>
> Christopher Hallsworth
>
> On 22/10/2012 17:51, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Normally doubletapp and hold on link and you should hear the pass-through
beeps and then an alert sound that new options  popped up on screen. One of
those in safari is copy. Then you can paste this anywhere else. I have not
worked much with facebook so don't know if there is a share to facebook
directly.
>>
>> hth,
>>
>> Ioana
>>
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most
online stores.
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Shane Clark  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> So if I wanna copy and paste a link to Facebook, I have to get to a link
for example like http://www. Etc, do you hold down after the second tap and
it copues? Or do I Have to go to an edit field, switched the rotor to edit?
How is this done? I want to be able to share various links that I read on
different websites to Facebook.
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Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client

[Rob Harris]

Hahahahahaha, my new RII keyboard gets a stutter sometimes too.
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh/telnet/remoteDesktop client


Wow, don't know what happened with that last email. I tried to say Yes there 
are a couple but the one I like is called Prompt.

Keith

On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Keith Watson  wrote:

> Yte'sled  Prompt. Works great!
>
>
> Keith
> On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>
>> hello listers,
>>
>> Is there an accessible ssh/telnet client for the IPhone5?
>>
>> I use a combination of windows and linux as my desktop computers, and
>> would like to be able to access the linux box from my iphone on
>> occasion.
>>
>> if there were an accessible remote desktop solution for either type of
>> desktop o/s that would be great as well.
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Re: Accessible Free App. Tonido

[Rob Harris]

Ideally,  if you had both devices on the same private wifi, one should be 
able to address it directly without going outside and  invoking data 
charges;  you'd use an address like http://192.168.0.1 or whatever local ip 
address your pc has;   you can check that yourself;   but suspect it still 
wont work as it probably has to go through their servers.  Which is back to 
security questions:  Why?!

RobH.
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From: "Tara Prakash" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible Free App. Tonido


It will use a lot of data. Can you connect using the Bluetooth?

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  From: MamaPeach
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Accessible Free App. Tonido


  Yes, you must be logged into the Tonido program on your computer first, 
and then log into the app

  From: Michael Amaro
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:08 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Accessible Free App. Tonido

  do you have to be loged in to your acount on the computer it self?then log 
in on the Ap?  When I lonch the aplication on my laptop, it tells me to 
enter my password to proceed.  Even though it says I am already loged in.

  From: MamaPeach
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:21 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Accessible Free App. Tonido

  Great little app that I just installed. I have been looking for something 
like this, and finally stumbled on it. Simply installed the Tonido 
Desktop.exe file, installed and ran the .exe file, created an account, then 
installed the Tonido app onto my iPod, signed into the app with my account 
details and was able to access my whole entire computer. I have since set it 
to only access one of my external hard drives instead of everything. I love 
this app and it does work great with VoiceOver and the other part that I 
love is it is FREE. You can sign up for paid accounts, but I didn’t feel the 
need to do that.
  App Name: Tonido
  Developer: CodeLathe LLC
  Description
  Tonido allows you to access, share documents, photos, music and video in 
your computer or TonidoPlug from anywhere. It is completely FREE.
  Install Tonido server (Available for FREE from www.tonido.com) for your 
OS. Enter the account information in the iOS app and you are good to go!!
  Instantly open or send files, folders, pictures or videos from your 
iDevice with just one click. Tonido makes it easy to work directly with your 
computer files, no matter where you are. You can do it all while listening 
to music playing in the background, too. Click “…More” to learn why you 
should download this App today!
  Tonido Streams to iPhone
  “Can’t beat it. You install Tonido on your PC and access your hard drive 
including music, videos and documents. Works great! ALL FREE too!!!”
  - David Meilan
  Awesome app! Very useful
  “I can hear music stored in my PC. Take photos and upload to my PC on the 
spot. Browse files & folders from my PC. Highly Recommended!”
  - Jason Washington
  You worked on that proposal at home last night; it was due for an 
important meeting first thing this morning. The boss didn’t give you much 
notice but you pulled it off, hunched over your computer until the wee hours 
of the morning.
  Meaning to grab just a couple of hours of sleep before heading to the 
office, you were so tired that you slept through your alarm. Running very 
late, you bolted out the door. It wasn’t until you arrived at work that you 
realized that the all-important document got left behind in the rush.
  With the meeting about to start, you push away panic and open the Tonido 
app on your iPhone, iPod touch or iPad. You locate the proposal file on your 
hard drive at home then, with a single click, save the day and your neck.
  Tonido provides a personal, secure doorway to your computer from anywhere 
in the world you happen to be. This app makes it super fast and easy for you 
to access and share your documents, photos, music and videos, all from your 
portably convenient iDevice. All you need is the computer with Windows, 
MacOSX and Linux or a TonidoPlug.
  The Tonido app works with many popular file formats like Word, Excel, 
Powerpoint and PDF. Open them, read them or share them with family and 
friends by email. It even supports H.264, MPEG-4, mp4, .m4v and .mov iPhone 
streaming video formats.
  What all of this means for you is freedom. Forget about carrying your USB 
stick and leave your music at home. You don’t need to lug those things 
around anymore. Tonido gives you free and easy access to your entire hard 
drive, including your music collection.
  It works both ways, too. Have a photo on your phone that you’d like to 
upload to your computer at home? No problem, you can do that with Tonido, as 
well. You’re going to love and rave about this application!
  iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 users get an extra special treat. They are able to 
listen to their music in the background