Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[David Chittenden]

This is incorrect. Initial accessibility for the Apple II computer, which 
occurred in 1983, was developed by Apple, not a 3rd party vendor. In addition, 
ZoomText style screen enlargement was provided on the original Mac back in 
1986. I know because I worked with both products. The initial screen reader for 
the Apple II was not very good. The original screen enlargement for the Mac was 
better than TSI Vista Screen enlargement for DOS computers.

The first full-fledge screen reader for Apple Mac was developed by Berkeley 
Systems in the mid 90's. When Berkeley Systems went out of business because 
they did not have enough customer base to meet their expenses around the turn 
of the century, the company which bought out their source code let OutSpoken 
for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoken for Windows code in their own screen 
reader. I currently do not remember which company this was.

After Berkeley Systems folded, Apple approached screen reader developers to see 
if any of them would develop a new screen reader for the Mac. In fact, Apple 
worked closely with Berkeley Systems on OutSpoken for Mac. I know this because 
a cousin was an independent consultant for Apple who was assigned to work with 
Berkeley Systems on trouble-shooting difficulties for several months in the mid 
90's. During this time, Apple paid his consulting fees.

After screen reader developers, including Freedom Scientific, turned Apple 
down, Apple took screen reader development in-house in 2003 and released the 
initial iteration of VoiceOver with OSX Tiger in 2005. This means, Apple's 
initial screen reader development from concept design to roll-out took around 
two years.

It must be noted that Apple was notified by US Federal Purchasing (I do not 
remember which specific department, but suspect it may have been Dept of 
Education), that federal funds would no longer be able to be spent on Apple 
computers if Apple did not have minimum screen reader access. To my best 
understanding, this notification was made in 2001 or 2002. It was during the 
time after OutSpoken for Mac was discontinued, and may have been the impetus 
encouraging Apple to approach Windows screen reader developers. However, given 
that Apple has always had a commitment to disability access, as proven by their 
initial basic screen reader in the Apple II and their screen enlargement in the 
early Mac, and by the fact that they paid my cousin's developer consultation 
fees in the mid 90's to do work with Berkeley Systems, I am not convinced that 
the US Federal Purchasing being threatened to be ended was what caused Apple to 
jump so fully onto the accessibility bandwagon. Besides, only basic access is 
required by the Federal Government. Also, it was a known fact, and fairly well 
researched and proven, that blind people could not successfully, independently, 
and completely effectively, utilise a purely touchscreen device. In fact, a 
Google-based researcher was attempting to get Apple to work with him on 
developing a tactile overlay to help blind people use the original iPhone, and 
was not happy with Apple because they refused to work with him.

Apple revolutionised everyone's understanding of what was possible with 
touchscreen access when they released iPhone 3GS with full VO integration in 
2009. Academic researchers were caught completely by surprise. Peer-reviewed, 
high-end, academic research around factors of successful touchscreen access for 
the blind do not appear in the research journals (touch input with audio 
output) until late 2010. This indicates such research was not designed or 
started until after the iPhone 3GS.

Therefore, the facts do not support the assertion that Apple only became 
focused on accessibility after forced to do so by the federal purchasing under 
accessibility legislation. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/09/2013, at 8:27, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> The accessible solutions for the Apple 2E and the Lisa were not Apple 
> products. they were third party products. that's like giving Microsoft and 
> Bill Gates credit for JAWS.
> 
> Apple needs to be praised for their commitment to accessibility, but let's 
> not rewrite history in the process. If anything, Apple's commitment to 
> accessibility is even more impressive given that it had to be incorporated 
> into existing product lines. It goes in the face of the claim that 
> accessibility is too expensive to retrofit and gives us hope for things like 
> Windows Phone and other platforms, operating systems and applications that 
> aren't currently accessible.
> 
> On 09/12/2013 01:12 PM, Steve wrote:
>> I can only speculate on the rationale.  If you read the book Exploding
>> the Phone, you will see that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak had several
>> blind acquaintances back in the early 70's.
>> 
>> Remember, that in the earlier days of computing, there were accessible
>> solutions for

RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Jim,

 

Once again, sorry, I am running iOS 7 Beta and here they updated it to
Outlook.com which is the brand Microsoft is now pushing. Go ahead and use
the Hotmail account type, it's the same thing.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Uh oh.  I just tried doing it on my IPhone so that I could talk him through
it but did not find any option that had Outlook.com as a choice.  I saw
Hotmail though and a few other choices (including Other) but not
Outlook.com.  Am I doing something wrong?

Jim

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Jim,

 

Do you mean a Outlook.com account (what used to be first Hotmail, then
Windows Live)? If so, just tap on Add, then choose Outlook.com as the
account type, enter your email address and password and the rest should be
more or less automatic.

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Hi there,

 

Does anyone on this list have their I Device set up with an MSN account?  I
gave an IPod to someone, and we're having a hard time setting up his email
with his msn account.  I was hoping someone could give me their settings,
such as host name, port settings, incoming and outgoing settings, etc.  We'd
appreciate it.

Jim

 

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RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

[Jim Portillo]

Uh oh.  I just tried doing it on my IPhone so that I could talk him through
it but did not find any option that had Outlook.com as a choice.  I saw
Hotmail though and a few other choices (including Other) but not
Outlook.com.  Am I doing something wrong?

Jim

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Jim,

 

Do you mean a Outlook.com account (what used to be first Hotmail, then
Windows Live)? If so, just tap on Add, then choose Outlook.com as the
account type, enter your email address and password and the rest should be
more or less automatic.

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Hi there,

 

Does anyone on this list have their I Device set up with an MSN account?  I
gave an IPod to someone, and we're having a hard time setting up his email
with his msn account.  I was hoping someone could give me their settings,
such as host name, port settings, incoming and outgoing settings, etc.  We'd
appreciate it.

Jim

 

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RE: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Jim,

 

Do you mean a Outlook.com account (what used to be first Hotmail, then
Windows Live)? If so, just tap on Add, then choose Outlook.com as the
account type, enter your email address and password and the rest should be
more or less automatic.

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

 

Hi there,

 

Does anyone on this list have their I Device set up with an MSN account?  I
gave an IPod to someone, and we're having a hard time setting up his email
with his msn account.  I was hoping someone could give me their settings,
such as host name, port settings, incoming and outgoing settings, etc.  We'd
appreciate it.

Jim

 

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MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

[Jim Portillo]

Hi there,

 

Does anyone on this list have their I Device set up with an MSN account?  I
gave an IPod to someone, and we're having a hard time setting up his email
with his msn account.  I was hoping someone could give me their settings,
such as host name, port settings, incoming and outgoing settings, etc.  We'd
appreciate it.

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Re: Downcast question

[Shane clark]

Ok, so I got a notification earlier saying all feeds were refreshed and no new 
episodes were available. So why did I get it out of the blue? Again, I stream 
all new episodes, and I'm set to automatically refresh every three hours. I'm 
just confused as to why I got this notification when I did... Do these occur 
when the app is running in the background or does it have to be closed? I read 
the help section, but I'm still trying to get the hang of it. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:25 PM, "Jesus Garcia"  wrote:

> Also, remember that if you have downcast set to download only when connected 
> to a wifi connection which I think is the default then it will not complete 
> the download until you have said connection.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 13:20
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Downcast question
>  
> In iOS 6, audio-related apps are only allowed to run in the background for 
> quite a short time. So if you run the app and then switch to another app, 
> Downcast can keep going for a bit, fetching your podcasts and updating your 
> feeds. But if you don't switch back from time to time, it's eventually going 
> to time out and stop doing that. They implemented the location awareness 
> feature to get around this. So for example it can be set up to update your 
> feeds when you arrive at the airport.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 13/09/2013, at 1:51 AM, Shane Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> So it doesn 't refresh without opening the app? I thought that  maybe it  did 
> it by itself, because I thought I got a notification one time before saying 
> two new items were available without opening the app
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My guess is that it refreshes when you open the app if it's been 3 hours or 
> more since the last refresh. Double-tap the rEfresh button near the top of 
> the screen, and Downcast should do it.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Shane clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I have my feeds in Downcast to refresh every 3 hours and in notifications say 
> new episodes button on, and feed refreshing button on. However, today around 
> 2:30, I was listening to a podcast, and got done, and just left Downcast 
> running in the background. I checked it about 30 minutes ago to see if any 
> new podcast where available, and nothing was available… However, when I 
> opened up podcast five new episodes all of a sudden became available… Why is 
> this? Why isn't the podcasts refreshing themselves automatically? I thought 
> that when you left Downcast Running in the background, and you had everything 
> set up to automatically refresh, that it would without having to open up the 
> app.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

[Chris Chaffin]

I am glad to report that the NFL Mobile app now works properly, and you are 
able to choose which team feed you want to listen to, either the home team 
or the away team.
I have tested this in tonights game, and have successfully switched from the 
Patriots radio network, to the Jets radio network, enabling me to choose 
which one I wanted to listen too.


HTH,

Chris Chaffin



-Original Message- 
From: Chris Chaffin

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds


They are very slow in getting back to you.
It takes at least 3 or 4 days, and maybe longer.
I wish they were quicker at responding to customers.

Chris Chaffin


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

Great, and thanks for the update. I'd opened up a ticket against Audio
Pass last weekend, but I have yet to get a response. I'll be checking
tonight to see if it's fixed or not!

On 09/12/2013 06:38 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

Hello all,
One complaint, including mine, about the NFL Mobile app is that you were
unable to choose which team feed you could listen too.
Well, I finally got a reply from the NFL today, and according to them,
all of that should be fixed with tonights game.
If this is fixed, this would be great!  That means I can listen to my
games, through the team feed I choose,  by using my audio pass
subscription on my phone.
I love NFL audio pass, but sometimes I am just not able to sit in front
of my computer to listen to the whole game.
Just for those who do not know:
You can use the NFL mobile app to listen to your NFL games in 2 ways:
* If you have Verizon as your cell provider.
* If you have a NFL audio pass subscription.
I hope this has been helpful, and for those who would like to see the
short message I got from the NFL customer service, it is below.
Chris Chaffin
*** Message from NFL customer Service ***

Chris,

This should be fixed for tonights games.

Ron Strugano

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RE: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rob,

I can confirm from my own experience that you can cut a standard SIM to the
size of a Micro SIM and it works just fine, I have had it done with an AT&T
Go Phone prepaid SIM which I bought, I had somebody cut it for me and it fit
into my 4S just fine and worked.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH.
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

No!
I have just offered simm cutters to make the mini or whatever it is in the
4/4s;  but the microSimm is thinner too;  so cutting down an existing one
stil wouldn't help.

Rh.

- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Dyer" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?


Hi all.

I have an iPhone 3GS which I am looking to upgrade from. Is it possible to 
make a standered SIM card work in say the iPhone 5s gfor example? If not, 
how hard would it be to get a number transferred to a nano sim  as I think 
that is what is Bering used. I have AT&T as my carrier.

Thanks

Matthew



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Re: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

[Mike Arrigo]

The nano sims are actually even smaller than micro SD cards, really 
just the area for the connection with a bit of extra space around it to 
prevent shorting. I don't think a sim card could get any smaller than the nano.

Original message:

No!
I have just offered simm cutters to make the mini or whatever it is in the
4/4s;  but the microSimm is thinner too;  so cutting down an existing one
stil wouldn't help.



Rh.



- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Dyer" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?




Hi all.



I have an iPhone 3GS which I am looking to upgrade from. Is it possible to
make a standered SIM card work in say the iPhone 5s gfor example? If not,
how hard would it be to get a number transferred to a nano sim  as I think
that is what is Bering used. I have AT&T as my carrier.



Thanks



Matthew





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Re: Journaling Food App

[Candie Stiles]

Tap and Track is also a very good and accessible app for keeping track of the 
verious foods and calories you consume.
On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:25 PM, CD  wrote:

> I’m going to be working with a nutritionist. Is there an accessible app out 
> there where I can journal my food intake daily?  Thanks!
>  
> Carla
>  
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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

open the music app on your phone and double tap the more button on the bottom 
of the screen.  Now double tap shared, and select the library from your 
computer.

hth

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On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi,
> thanks under music on my phone I have locked in to my account. I have the Mac 
> iTunes set to share on the network. This is how I use the Remote app to play 
> music on my sound system. On the phone in iTunes I can't get away from the 
> iTunes store and find my music.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help.
> Max.
> 
> On 13/09/2013, at 10:30 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on your 
>> Mac in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Agent086b]

Hi,
thanks under music on my phone I have locked in to my account. I have the Mac 
iTunes set to share on the network. This is how I use the Remote app to play 
music on my sound system. On the phone in iTunes I can't get away from the 
iTunes store and find my music.
Any suggestions?
Thanks for the help.
Max.

On 13/09/2013, at 10:30 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on your Mac 
> in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Joanne Chua]

the 12mp example i used is for explainatory purposes only. In fact, i
stated very clear is 12MP Compact digital camera, not 12mp iphone
camera.
Photography apps or not does not change the physical hardware of a
piece of hardware. Those are use to enhance the image, it does not
improve the pixels counting.
What i was trying to say is that, it is not just the pixels count for
photographs, it is much more complecated than that.
Why do i know this? As a sami professional photographer, and also
having endless contacts that in the professional photography field and
graphic pre-press field, i think, i do understand a little as to how
cameras work.

On 13/09/2013, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> The new 5S has an 8 mega pixel camera not the 12 mega pixels some believed
> however, with the faster processor and a much better lens for the camera,
> pictures should greatly improve.  There are no end of photography apps in
> the app store.  iPhone Life or at least the iPhone life app often mentions
> such apps and add on lenses and other photography add ons.
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joanne Chua" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:38 PM
> Subject: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>
>
> Yes indeed, the number of pixels for a camera does not determine the quality
>
> of the picture. Usually photographers needs big number of pixels for future
>
> post photo use, such as blow it up in a wide print format,, photoshop and
> other post photo pre preint purposes.
> In fact, for an untrain user, nwhen you view on screen with a pare of aked
> eye, if you compare a photo that take with the same spec of camera, that one
>
> stand 12MP and another stand 20MP, with the same environment and setting,
> one cannot easily tell which is which, unless you blow both photo up to say
>
> A3 size or such.
> Lots of professional photographer will agree that even a camera that could
> have 41mp such as the latest lumia, but the quality of the camera lance is
> not good enough or strong enough for any quality use. a compact digital
> camera that is say, 16mp or 21mp "mp as mega pixels".
> For a normal consumer they might think 41mp camera is a "wow" factor, but
> 41mp photo will take up to hundrets mb memory for one photo.
> Now, the quality of lance will be all together another matter. If you buying
>
> a camera, when you choose against a 16MP compact digital camera, or a 8MP
> DSLR (Single Lance Reflects), most professional photographer will choose the
>
> 8MP DSLR. Reason behind is because of the quality of the lance, although you
>
> may suffer from less pixels, but the clarity of the image will be grater
> than the 16mp compack digital camera. One good camera lance could cost more
>
> than thousands US$, and this simply can't be replace by a compack digital
> camera, or even a 41mp camera phone.
>
>
>
> Joanne Chua
> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
> Send from my iPad
>
> On 11/09/2013, at 23:00, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>
>> The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to
>> the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is
>> also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they
>> specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple
>> camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of
>> pixels.
>>
>> On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 4S
>>> and
>>> feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC here in
>>> North
>>> America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple puts a NFC chip
>>> in
>>> the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of a boost although I
>>> also
>>> feel there are still security volnerabilities which need to be addressed
>>> before I’d trust it completely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how then
>>> said
>>> feature or technological advance is played down by the media. Then within
>>>
>>> a
>>> year or so Android and others quietly come out with their version of
>>> same
>>> feature/technology. I think SIRI was a good example for this and I would
>>>
>>> be
>>> very surprised if we didn’t see high-end Android phones suddenly having
>>> fingerprint sensors very soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me
>>> to
>>> upgrade, Touch ID is probably at the top of the list for me

Re: My next upgrade

[Alan Paganelli]

Yea Hanna and congrats!  So old buddy, if all goes according to plan it 
won't be long before I have a 64 GB iPhone 5S in me hands!


Hope your well!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:39 AM
Subject: My next upgrade


Good evening all.
Friend and list member Hannah has now got a new shiny iPhone 4s. The
contract is the same as last time (600 minutes, unlimited texts) but her
data has increased from 100 mb to 750 mb. But guess what? despite all
this she's on it at a cheaper price, £27 per month instead of £37 had
she went for the 5! So going to look into this myself for my next upgrade.
Have a nice day.

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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on your Mac 
in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
> Thanks,
> Max.
> 
> On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it is.
>> 
>> Where do you want to get your music from?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>> Max.
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Re: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Yes.  One thing though, at least in the U.S., networks haven’t used an analog 
cell network in over 5 years.  Its all digital.  I’m guessing this is the same 
for most of the western world. 

hth

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On Sep 12, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Just like a Skype call sounds much better a Facetime call also can take
> advantage of the much wider bandwidth of a WiFi or 3G/LTE connection and
> also keep in mind that Skype or Facetime is digital all the way whereas a
> regular phone call is analogue and it is highly compressed.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris H
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired
> 
> Good evening all.
> Just had a lovely FaceTime call. But have a question.
> Why does it sound so much better than a regular landline or cellular call?
> Is it because it's all done over wifi and is using the excellent microphone
> on the iPhone? Sorry if this sounds a stupid question, but I am considering
> using FaceTime because despite my hearing impairment I can really hear the
> person, whereas a regular landline or cellular call is good, but cannot
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Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

[Chris Chaffin]

They are very slow in getting back to you.
It takes at least 3 or 4 days, and maybe longer.
I wish they were quicker at responding to customers.

Chris Chaffin


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

Great, and thanks for the update. I'd opened up a ticket against Audio
Pass last weekend, but I have yet to get a response. I'll be checking
tonight to see if it's fixed or not!

On 09/12/2013 06:38 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

Hello all,
One complaint, including mine, about the NFL Mobile app is that you were
unable to choose which team feed you could listen too.
Well, I finally got a reply from the NFL today, and according to them,
all of that should be fixed with tonights game.
If this is fixed, this would be great!  That means I can listen to my
games, through the team feed I choose,  by using my audio pass
subscription on my phone.
I love NFL audio pass, but sometimes I am just not able to sit in front
of my computer to listen to the whole game.
Just for those who do not know:
You can use the NFL mobile app to listen to your NFL games in 2 ways:
* If you have Verizon as your cell provider.
* If you have a NFL audio pass subscription.
I hope this has been helpful, and for those who would like to see the
short message I got from the NFL customer service, it is below.
Chris Chaffin
*** Message from NFL customer Service ***

Chris,

This should be fixed for tonights games.

Ron Strugano

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Re: NBA App

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Yes.  I believe last years price was $15 for the entire season.  Not sure if it 
will be the same this season.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:

> 
> What if you are not a sprint customer?
> Can you purchase a subscription or something to listen to the audio feeds of 
> the games?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Chris
> -Original Message- From: Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 AM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: NBA App
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The NBA gametime app is fairly accessible.  And if your a sprint customer, 
> you get to listen to the audio feeds for free.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
>> I 2nd that. I am also interested in a VoiceOver friendly/accessible iOS app 
>> for NBA games as well as NFL games.
>> 
>> Sent From Berkeley,CA
>> At 07:24 PM 9/6/2013, you wrote:
>>> Hello List,
>>> With all this talk about football, I want to know if anyone knows an app 
>>> for listening to NBA basketball games. I have my local team app, but I want 
>>> a little more.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Karin
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Garth Humphreys]

You can scan up to five fingers and even while you are using the fingerprint 
scanner you can also full back  to a password at any time


Garth 

On 13/09/2013, at 1:16 AM, "Donnie Harris"  wrote:

> Sieghard,
> I wonder if there is going to be a way to rescan your finger print in case 
> of a finger injury, like you just mentioned here.
> I do mechanic work all of the time and always have cuts, scrapes etc...
> Maybe they will allow a second finger to be scanned just in case of an 
> injury like this, it could kind of like the imfamous security question on a 
> secured website.
> Just wondering, hopfully they will give some thought to an accident like 
> this.
> I realize there would have to be a password involved or else a thief could 
> rescan it for their finger print.
> Just my 2 cents!
> Donnie Harris.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C
> 
> 
> : Hi Victor,
> :
> : According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
> : resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this 
> may
> : avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
> : may effect it. Here is some information I just found:
> :
> : The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
> : Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
> : them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
> : through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
> : Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
> : ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe.
> :
> : First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints 
> on
> : the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
> : the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
> : information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
> : that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans 
> if
> : they crack the chip.
> :
> : Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
> : course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
> : before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they 
> reboot
> : their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days. 
> In
> : other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
> : iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
> : between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
> : application to steal your fingerprint data.
> :
> : Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
> : perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
> : fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
> : sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
> : users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.
> :
> :
> : Regards,
> : Sieghard
> :
> : -Original Message-
> : From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> : Of Victor Gouveia
> : Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
> : To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> : Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
> :
> : The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
> : fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
> : blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
> : reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers 
> which
> : may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
> :
> : Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
> : afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
> : this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting 
> can
> : be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you 
> turn
> : off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
> :
> :
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Re: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

[RobH.]

No!
I have just offered simm cutters to make the mini or whatever it is in the 
4/4s;  but the microSimm is thinner too;  so cutting down an existing one 
stil wouldn't help.

Rh.

- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Dyer" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?


Hi all.

I have an iPhone 3GS which I am looking to upgrade from. Is it possible to 
make a standered SIM card work in say the iPhone 5s gfor example? If not, 
how hard would it be to get a number transferred to a nano sim  as I think 
that is what is Bering used. I have AT&T as my carrier.

Thanks

Matthew



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Re: NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

[Christopher Chaltain]

Great, and thanks for the update. I'd opened up a ticket against Audio 
Pass last weekend, but I have yet to get a response. I'll be checking 
tonight to see if it's fixed or not!


On 09/12/2013 06:38 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

Hello all,
One complaint, including mine, about the NFL Mobile app is that you were
unable to choose which team feed you could listen too.
Well, I finally got a reply from the NFL today, and according to them,
all of that should be fixed with tonights game.
If this is fixed, this would be great!  That means I can listen to my
games, through the team feed I choose,  by using my audio pass
subscription on my phone.
I love NFL audio pass, but sometimes I am just not able to sit in front
of my computer to listen to the whole game.
Just for those who do not know:
You can use the NFL mobile app to listen to your NFL games in 2 ways:
* If you have Verizon as your cell provider.
* If you have a NFL audio pass subscription.
I hope this has been helpful, and for those who would like to see the
short message I got from the NFL customer service, it is below.
Chris Chaffin
*** Message from NFL customer Service ***

Chris,

This should be fixed for tonights games.

Ron Strugano

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Re: NBA App

[Chris Chaffin]

What if you are not a sprint customer?
Can you purchase a subscription or something to listen to the audio feeds of 
the games?


Thanks for any help.

Chris
-Original Message- 
From: Ricardo Walker

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: NBA App

Hi,

The NBA gametime app is fairly accessible.  And if your a sprint customer, 
you get to listen to the audio feeds for free.


Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Robin  wrote:

I 2nd that. I am also interested in a VoiceOver friendly/accessible iOS 
app for NBA games as well as NFL games.


Sent From Berkeley,CA
At 07:24 PM 9/6/2013, you wrote:

Hello List,
With all this talk about football, I want to know if anyone knows an app 
for listening to NBA basketball games. I have my local team app, but I 
want a little more.

Thanks.
Karin

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NFL Mobile app / changing team feeds

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello all,
One complaint, including mine, about the NFL Mobile app is that you were unable 
to choose which team feed you could listen too.
Well, I finally got a reply from the NFL today, and according to them, all of 
that should be fixed with tonights game.
If this is fixed, this would be great!  That means I can listen to my games, 
through the team feed I choose,  by using my audio pass subscription on my 
phone.
I love NFL audio pass, but sometimes I am just not able to sit in front of my 
computer to listen to the whole game.

Just for those who do not know:
You can use the NFL mobile app to listen to your NFL games in 2 ways:
* If you have Verizon as your cell provider.
* If you have a NFL audio pass subscription.

I hope this has been helpful, and for those who would like to see the short 
message I got from the NFL customer service, it is below.

Chris Chaffin

*** Message from NFL customer Service ***

Chris,

This should be fixed for tonights games.

Ron Strugano





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RE: Downcast question

[Jesus Garcia]

Also, remember that if you have downcast set to download only when connected
to a wifi connection which I think is the default then it will not complete
the download until you have said connection.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 13:20
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downcast question

 

In iOS 6, audio-related apps are only allowed to run in the background for
quite a short time. So if you run the app and then switch to another app,
Downcast can keep going for a bit, fetching your podcasts and updating your
feeds. But if you don't switch back from time to time, it's eventually going
to time out and stop doing that. They implemented the location awareness
feature to get around this. So for example it can be set up to update your
feeds when you arrive at the airport.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 13/09/2013, at 1:51 AM, Shane Clark  wrote:





So it doesn 't refresh without opening the app? I thought that  maybe it
did it by itself, because I thought I got a notification one time before
saying two new items were available without opening the app

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:




Hi,

My guess is that it refreshes when you open the app if it's been 3 hours or
more since the last refresh. Double-tap the rEfresh button near the top of
the screen, and Downcast should do it.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Shane clark  wrote:




Hi,
I have my feeds in Downcast to refresh every 3 hours and in notifications
say new episodes button on, and feed refreshing button on. However, today
around 2:30, I was listening to a podcast, and got done, and just left
Downcast running in the background. I checked it about 30 minutes ago to see
if any new podcast where available, and nothing was available. However, when
I opened up podcast five new episodes all of a sudden became available. Why
is this? Why isn't the podcasts refreshing themselves automatically? I
thought that when you left Downcast Running in the background, and you had
everything set up to automatically refresh, that it would without having to
open up the app.
Any ideas?
Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

there any tricks to using that with jaws? last I tried to do that I 
couldn't get that to work once in the program on the desktop side the 
ios app worked like a charm.

email me off list.
Hank
On 9/12/2013 9:55 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Max, it is possible to play music stored on your local computer network on
your iPhone if you have the Tonido app. This app is not for playing music on
a cloud server but will let you turn your own computer into a server where
you can access any of the files it contains. Tonido also has a music player
built into it and supports playlists so you have access to any of your music
without having to transfer it to a cloud server.

In order to use Tonido and set up your local computer as your personal cloud
source, you have to install the applicable Tonido Desktop program on your
computer. They have versions for most operating systems including Windows,
OSX, and Linux. Once you install the desktop software, you use it to set up
your Tonido account so that your mobile device can access the files on your
computer. Here's the link to the Tonido downloads page where you can get the
desktop program:

http://www.tonido.com/tonidodesktop_downloads/

After that is done, you can get the app for your mobile device and install
it. Here's a link to the Tonido app for the iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tonido-file-access-music-video/id388726418?m
t=8

I'm still playing around with Tonido but it seems to do everything it says
including the ability to play music on your local computer with its music
player.

Alan Lemly

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:56 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.




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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Steve]

I can only speculate on the rationale.  If you read the book Exploding the 
Phone, you will see that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak had several blind 
acquaintances back in the early 70's.


Remember, that in the earlier days of computing, there were accessible 
solutions for the Apple 2e and the Lisa.


Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne gmail " 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


While I applaud Apple for making a giant leap forward in accessibility, I
won't pretend that I can guess all the reasons why.  There is no doubt that
they are a huge game changer and that is in keeping with their whole
corporate philosophy. It may be that compassion, concern for public image,
and desire to maximize market share are the principle drivers.  It may also
be that the updated ADA and increasing legal pressure played a role as well.
That ADA is being taken seriously has been demonstrated by the fact that
Amazon and a consortium of producers of EReader hardware  have requested a
waiver of the ADA accessibility requirements for future product releases.
Part of their reasoning  is that this need is being met by the IBook and
Kindle apps used on phones and tablets.
  At best, Apple is being unclear and inconsistent about refunds but I
believe that has more to do with it's low priority in the overall
development of corporate policy than any deliberate intent.
 I've never asked for a refund and given the price of most apps I probably
never will.  If I do, and use the "report a problem" suggested by the
accessibility team I think I'll probably get it.  If I don't, life is too
short to spend a lot of time and energy worrying about it.
 I definitely do not think pushing for accessibility is whining or asking
for charity.  ADA is a flawed compromise between the disabled community and
the commercial marketplace but I saw firsthand that it had a tremendous
impact on job prospects for the disabled.  Most restaurant owners and hotel
managers will tell you that the long term benefits in increased custom have
made the short term investments worthwhile.  Despite the unreasonable
expectation stories which appeared from time to time after passage of ADA
the effect has been that the disabled portion of our society are less
disabled and more visible.  That is a good thing.  I've always suspected a
lot of the business folks who objected to ADA were mainly objecting to the
government telling them what to do about anything.

  As for Apple refunds, why not just use the tools Apple provides for
requesting one, be glad if you get it, and be loud if you don't get it and
it is that important to you.  It is what it is and life moves merrily along.
 Lisa, I pretty much agree with your points about our needing to accept the
responsibility for learning to use accessibility tools.  However, there is a
difference between accessibility and usability.  Apple has generally done a
great job of making VO accessible and useable because when they decided to
do it, they decided to do it right.  I've seen other software developed in
the Windows environment where accessibility has been implemented in a manner
best described as surly.  "I've gotta do it but I don't have to let you like
it!"  As customers, we can and should advocate for useable accessibility in
apps we buy as opposed to one recently discussed on the list where people
had to count buttons or label them themselves.  We can count and label but
labels on objects ain't rocket science and indicates lazy programming not
artistic freedom.  The whole point of computers is to let one programmer do
something once so thousands of customers don't have to do it thousands of
times.
Refund requests may be one way of telling developers they should take that
extra little time in their product development.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa belville
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

David I understand where you're coming from.  I've taught basic Windows and
screen reading skills on and off for years and people often want to call
something inaccessible when it's really a lack of knowledge of their screen
reader or Windows rather than a genuine case of inaccessibility.  Of course
there are cases of sighted people assuming an OS or app doesn't do something
simply because they do not have the skills or the knowledge to research or
experiment.

But this is not the case in a situation where someone purchases an
inaccessible app.  A sighted person purchasing an app will at least have the
opportunity to put the software through it's paces.  True, a summary of
features and screenshots are not sufficient means of judging the usefulness
of a program, but in a case where a person, presumably a sighted person,
regrets dropping the cash on an app their 

Re: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

[Chris H]

Wow! I see. I remember Viber sounding exactly the same. So this is why. 
It's all digitally processed at both ends.


On 12/09/2013 21:34, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Just like a Skype call sounds much better a Facetime call also can take
advantage of the much wider bandwidth of a WiFi or 3G/LTE connection and
also keep in mind that Skype or Facetime is digital all the way whereas a
regular phone call is analogue and it is highly compressed.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

Good evening all.
Just had a lovely FaceTime call. But have a question.
Why does it sound so much better than a regular landline or cellular call?
Is it because it's all done over wifi and is using the excellent microphone
on the iPhone? Sorry if this sounds a stupid question, but I am considering
using FaceTime because despite my hearing impairment I can really hear the
person, whereas a regular landline or cellular call is good, but cannot
always make out what they are saying, especially if the words use letters
that are high in pitch, such as s.
Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

The new 5S has an 8 mega pixel camera not the 12 mega pixels some believed 
however, with the faster processor and a much better lens for the camera, 
pictures should greatly improve.  There are no end of photography apps in 
the app store.  iPhone Life or at least the iPhone life app often mentions 
such apps and add on lenses and other photography add ons.

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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Joanne Chua" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:38 PM
Subject: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Yes indeed, the number of pixels for a camera does not determine the quality 
of the picture. Usually photographers needs big number of pixels for future 
post photo use, such as blow it up in a wide print format,, photoshop and 
other post photo pre preint purposes.
In fact, for an untrain user, nwhen you view on screen with a pare of aked 
eye, if you compare a photo that take with the same spec of camera, that one 
stand 12MP and another stand 20MP, with the same environment and setting, 
one cannot easily tell which is which, unless you blow both photo up to say 
A3 size or such.
Lots of professional photographer will agree that even a camera that could 
have 41mp such as the latest lumia, but the quality of the camera lance is 
not good enough or strong enough for any quality use. a compact digital 
camera that is say, 16mp or 21mp "mp as mega pixels".
For a normal consumer they might think 41mp camera is a "wow" factor, but 
41mp photo will take up to hundrets mb memory for one photo.
Now, the quality of lance will be all together another matter. If you buying 
a camera, when you choose against a 16MP compact digital camera, or a 8MP 
DSLR (Single Lance Reflects), most professional photographer will choose the 
8MP DSLR. Reason behind is because of the quality of the lance, although you 
may suffer from less pixels, but the clarity of the image will be grater 
than the 16mp compack digital camera. One good camera lance could cost more 
than thousands US$, and this simply can't be replace by a compack digital 
camera, or even a 41mp camera phone.




Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

On 11/09/2013, at 23:00, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:


The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to
the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is
also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they
specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple
camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of
pixels.

On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 4S 
and

feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC here in North
America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple puts a NFC chip in
the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of a boost although I 
also

feel there are still security volnerabilities which need to be addressed
before I’d trust it completely.



It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how then
said
feature or technological advance is played down by the media. Then within 
a

year or so Android and others quietly come out with their version of same
feature/technology. I think SIRI was a good example for this and I would 
be

very surprised if we didn’t see high-end Android phones suddenly having
fingerprint sensors very soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me to
upgrade, Touch ID is probably at the top of the list for me this time 
along

with the faster performance.



I believe the iPhone 5C and 5S will be extremely successful for Apple 
once
again just as the 5 was which nobody really thought. With the 4S Apple 
put
out a true world phone and I feel that this is more true for the 5C and 
5S
again as it was for the iPhone 5 last year. Furthermore, there are a lot 
of

iPhone 4 and 4S and even some 3GS users out there who I think will most
definitely upgrade. These people especially if they come from the 3GS or 
4

will be extremely happy with how fast the iPhone will be and with the
quality of the pictures.

The Nokia Lumia 1020 may have a 41 Megapixel camera and by a few might be
touted as the gold standard in camera phones, but it would be interesting
to
read an objective review and comparison of the 2 in terms of picture
quality
and camera features.



After everything is said and done I will most likely upgrade altho

Re: question about using a i tunes card to pay for apps insted of a creddit card.

[Alan Paganelli]

You can get iTunes gift cards at all the big box stores.  Apple I also believe 
sells them too or at least I think I remember somebody telling me they did.  
They come in 10, 15, 25, 50, and 75 dollar sizes.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mich 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:23 PM
  Subject: question about using a i tunes card to pay for apps insted of a 
creddit card.


  Hi all. I am having a problem as I said on this list regarding updating my 
apps. When I try to update the apps I am told that there is a problem with the 
payment method that I used. My credit card is maxt out and I have tried to 
enter my cvv coad and I can't seem to update my apps. so my question is if I 
was to use a i tunes card to pay for the app that apple is still waiting for 
payment on how would I go about doing this? and would this solve the problem of 
being able to update my apps? since I thought I could get around the problem by 
deleting from my phone the app that Apple is waiting to get paid for but after 
doing this I am still getting this problem I have e mailed apple about this and 
they were not very much help except to say that I should get a itunes gift card 
to pay for the apps. many thanks for any help. ps where would I get apple 
itunes gift cards? from Mich.  

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An issue with the Twitter app

[Joseph Hudson]

Good evening all, so this afternoon and send them to Twitter that I send out 
just a little while ago and I'm still getting notifications, normally whenever 
I signout and only stop sending me notifications. Does anybody know what's 
going on?

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone

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Old Hat Guide To iPhone Accessibility, iOS7 Edition

[Don and Cher Bosch]

Not familiar with this myself, but some of you may be interested in this
Tidbit from Flying Blind: You can Pre-Order The Old Hat Guide To iPhone
Accessibility, iOS7 Edition for $4.95 until 15 October:
http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/order/
 

 

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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
Thanks,
Max.

On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

> Yes, it is.
> 
> Where do you want to get your music from?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

I don't blame you a bit.  I wouldn't do it either.  If you were going from a 
4S to a iPhone 6, I could understand that.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before 
the next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I 
don't see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I don't 
see this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on anyone who 
does choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, and I 
personally don't see a reason to spend the money to get a 5S.


On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
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- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or 
so

and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one 
and

would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. 
Not

only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better 
camera.

The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

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On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
the 5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention are: 
64

bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise
motion
tracking system, and fingerprint unlocking. The first three will provide
significantly improved OCR, object recognition, barcode scanning, and
colour
recognition. The fourth will provide more accurate motion tracking for
things like distance measurement and certain types of app / Siri
activation.
The fifth will provide much better, and yet more convenient security.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/09/2013, at 7:52, "Karen Poulakos" 
wrote:

I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but 
haven't

seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference
between
the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to the

Re: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  FT is a really high bandwidth app because of the video.  That's part of 
why it sounds as good as it does.  The hardware in I Devices is also a factor 
I'm sure.

Then again , Rogers and ATNT were/are, both infamous for drastically reducing 
the celular bandwidth they provide to smart phone users, particularly IPhone 
users.  My gf is on ATNT and even though she doesn't have a smart phone, her 
calls sound like garbage.

Many of my customers on Rogers sounded just terrible back in the days of the 
3gs and 4, but simbian users seemed to be just fine.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-09-12, at 3:52 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> Good evening all.
> Just had a lovely FaceTime call. But have a question.
> Why does it sound so much better than a regular landline or cellular call? Is 
> it because it's all done over wifi and is using the excellent microphone on 
> the iPhone? Sorry if this sounds a stupid question, but I am considering 
> using FaceTime because despite my hearing impairment I can really hear the 
> person, whereas a regular landline or cellular call is good, but cannot 
> always make out what they are saying, especially if the words use letters 
> that are high in pitch, such as s.
> Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Chris H]

I don't think so as surely it will take up a lot of storage compared to 
the voices we have now. I suspect the new voices will be used wherever 
Siri is located server wise.


On 12/09/2013 21:52, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Any idea if that new male voice will also be available for use with VO? I
would assume so but you know what can happen with assumptions. (smile)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

Hi Alan,

The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on any
device which has SIRI.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
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- Original Message -
From: "Josh Eubank" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in

June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say

the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either.
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: IOS7?

[Alan Paganelli]

My wife and I just bought a new car and I'm interested in the features that 
will be coming where messages and email can be read to you and spoken voice 
guidance for driving directions.  Although they do not benefit me directly, 
never the less, my butt will still be in the car as a passenger not to 
mention that my world sits in the drivers seat.  So I'm looking forward to 
reading as much as I can about ios 7.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: IOS7?


I've heard from several people that VoiceOver users won't be able to get 
much out of IOS 7 because it's focus is on the visual aspect. Although 
that is a focus, there seems to be a lot in IOS 7 that we'll be able to 
take advantage of. In fact, when I look at 
http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ I see very few features that we won't 
benefit from.


* The Control Center.
* The Notification Center, and it's new views.
* The improvements to multitasking and anticipating what apps I'll be 
using next.
* More efficient use of battery power, such as when schedules are being 
updated.
* The camera, video and filter improvements, which I probably won't be 
taking advantage of much myself.

* Air Drop, which I think is a truly big deal.
* Not all of the Safari changes may not be beneficial to VoiceOver users, 
but the new interface to the tabs, the iCloud key chain, the smart 
URL/search bar all seem like we'd benefit from those changes.

* iTunes Radio
* All of the new Siri improvements.
* The App Store updates including automatic updates.
* Security improvements.
* I'm not sure how much this will help blind users, but as a passenger, I 
can see myself using some of the new integration features with IOS in your 
car.
* I don't see why we wouldn't be able to take advantage of the IOS at work 
features.



On 09/12/2013 02:24 PM, Rose Combs wrote:
Hmm, to me nothing sounds overly exciting to Voiceover users, I probably 
am

wrong but it isn't mentioned and so many of the new things seem to rely
heavily on visual effects.  Just what I get from hearing the podcast and
reading the page.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS7?

I found the following site with Google the other day, and I know I've 
seen
it posted to this or another list recently, but here's Apple's page on 
the

IOS 7 features: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/

On 09/11/2013 09:33 AM, Sandratomkins wrote:

Hi,
I didn't get to listen to the presentation about the new phones, but I'm
interested to know about the new operating system. Is there anywhere I 
can

go to hear more about the details of I OS7?

Thanks,
Sandy.

Sent from my iPhone



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RE: Journaling Food App

[Jennie Facer]

Lumen trails has a calorie intake category.

 

Jenn

 

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

 

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I'm going to be working with a nutritionist. Is there an accessible app out
there where I can journal my food intake daily?  Thanks!

 

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RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Rick Alfaro]

Maybe you are correct, but do you really think the new male voice would take
up much more space than the current premium voices? I'm not so sure it would
in fact I would think that storing the voice server side would present some
major issues.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

I don't think so as surely it will take up a lot of storage compared to the
voices we have now. I suspect the new voices will be used wherever Siri is
located server wise.

On 12/09/2013 21:52, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> Any idea if that new male voice will also be available for use with 
> VO? I would assume so but you know what can happen with assumptions. 
> (smile)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on 
> any device which has SIRI.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7
>
> According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new 
> voice for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both 
> voices.  They did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only 
> assume they are totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend 
> to find out when somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on 
> a 5S.  I wouldn't want to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this
weekend.
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for
listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Eubank" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
> Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7
>
>
> I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I 
> just downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. 
> When I listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to 
> be the new voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem 
> to match what I heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from 
> yesterday or the WWDC event in
>
> June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To 
> me it sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha 
> that I have a vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And 
> Tom doesn't match the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry 
> that was supposed to say
>
> the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail 
> voice shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice
either.
> So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using 
> the vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

  Sense I had the money for a new phone sense last Christmas from my 
wife, I've gone back and fourth over maybe I should just go for the iPhone 
5.  It would be a vast improvement over my iPhone 4 but my wife kept saying, 
at least wait until the 5S comes out.  If it doesn't impress you much the 
iPhone 5 will probably be reduced in price and you can save a few bucks so I 
waited.  I'll probably go for the 5S mostly because it's the latest and 
greatest instead of the  almost latest and greatest.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Well, I'll have to wait and see what's in the iPhone 6 before I make up my 
mind. Besides, I may not be able to wait that long and I may decide I have 
to move up to the iPhone 5S. We'll just have to wait and see!


On 09/12/2013 01:07 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

I don't blame you a bit.  I wouldn't do it either.  If you were going
from a 4S to a iPhone 6, I could understand that.
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- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade
before the next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone
4S, and I don't see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to
upgrade. I don't see this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing
judgment on anyone who does choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my
needs right now, and I personally don't see a reason to spend the
money to get a 5S.

On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
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on

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- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year
or so
and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those
of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for
one and
would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to
upgrade. Not
only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, 

Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think we would be able to take advantage of the new voices. I would 
assume that Siri and VoiceOver are using the same voices on the phone. 
To cut down on space, Apple may only allow one high quality voice on the 
phone at a time.


On 09/12/2013 04:06 PM, Chris H wrote:

I don't think so as surely it will take up a lot of storage compared to
the voices we have now. I suspect the new voices will be used wherever
Siri is located server wise.

On 12/09/2013 21:52, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Any idea if that new male voice will also be available for use with VO? I
would assume so but you know what can happen with assumptions. (smile)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

Hi Alan,

The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on any
device which has SIRI.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new
voice
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.
They
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't
want
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
---

Regards,

Alan

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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly
on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Eubank" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I
just
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC
event in

June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To
me it
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I
have a
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed
to say

the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice
either.
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using
the
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot

Sent from my iPhone

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question about using a i tunes card to pay for apps insted of a creddit card.

[Mich]

Hi all. I am having a problem as I said on this list regarding updating my 
apps. When I try to update the apps I am told that there is a problem with the 
payment method that I used. My credit card is maxt out and I have tried to 
enter my cvv coad and I can't seem to update my apps. so my question is if I 
was to use a i tunes card to pay for the app that apple is still waiting for 
payment on how would I go about doing this? and would this solve the problem of 
being able to update my apps? since I thought I could get around the problem by 
deleting from my phone the app that Apple is waiting to get paid for but after 
doing this I am still getting this problem I have e mailed apple about this and 
they were not very much help except to say that I should get a itunes gift card 
to pay for the apps. many thanks for any help. ps where would I get apple 
itunes gift cards? from Mich.  

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Re: iPhone presentation

[Alan Paganelli]

Thank you very much for this.  As you might guess, I'm hungry for more 
information information about what's going to be on my new iPhone 5S.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone presentation


If you haven't checked it out already Rose, you can go to 
http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read up a bit more on some of the 
most notable features in IOS 7.


On 09/12/2013 03:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Rose,

You will be able to upgrade to iOS 7 on your 4S without any issues and it
will run well. Even the iPhone 4 gets iOS 7 (some features of course will 
be
missing since things like Airdrop, for example, require hardware the 4 
and
4S don't have), but Rob from the Today in iOS podcast has already 
confirmed

that his iPhone 4 runs iOS 7 at least as well as it did iOS 6.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone presentation

I am curious about IOS 7 also, for the time being, I will keep my 4S,
however, at least for a while.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone presentation

I remember last year how Mike was so jazzed to get an iPhone 5.  I had 
the

same excitement when I selected the iPhone 5 as my first cell phone on
December 21.  I can't wait to examine the validated specifications.  If 
they
have doubled the processor speed, apps will be able to do a lot more. 
for

me, the big change is with iOS7.  There are so many new functions I am
looking forward to.  The most important one to me is the stolen iPhone 
app.

In the last two days, two Chicago police officers were jumped, beaten and
robbed in two separate incidents in my neighborhood.  Apparently, they
weren't carrying their firearm.  I keep my iPhone discretely out of 
public

view to avoid being a crime victim.

Kelly



On 9/10/13, Chris Smart  wrote:

it wasn't a live stream.
5C cheaper plastic-case phone for China and other emerging markets.
Same specs as iPhone 5, A6 chip etc.

iPhone 5S has an new A7 chip, 64-bit quad core, improved camera, more
LTE bands (again for that China market)

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playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Agent086b]

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Update on adding FaceTime contacts to Favorite

[Chris H]

Good evening all.
Just an update to say thanks for trying to help.
It turned out I had to double tap on the mobile part of the contact's 
card. I then got options to add it as either a voice call or FaceTime call.

Thanks once again.
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RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Rick Alfaro]

Any idea if that new male voice will also be available for use with VO? I
would assume so but you know what can happen with assumptions. (smile)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

Hi Alan,

The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on any
device which has SIRI.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
---

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Alan

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the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Eubank" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in

June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say

the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either. 
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Alan Paganelli]

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice 
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They 
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are 
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when 
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want 
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Eubank" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just 
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I 
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new 
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I 
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in 
June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it 
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a 
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match 
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say 
the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice 
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either. 
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the 
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot


Sent from my iPhone

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Adding a FaceTime contact to Favorites?

[Chris H]

Good evening all.
Subject says it all.
How if possible is this done? I went to phone, favorites, add, chose a 
contact, but no FaceTime option was there yet they have it. The contact 
I do have is their mobile; will this account for both cellular and FaceTime?

Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

I had thought of an Android phone but if you look at how many viruses are 
out there for the open source Android verses iPhone, there isn't any 
competition.  It's iPhone all the way.  And with the 5C starting at 99 
bucks, it's a no brainer now too.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Reiser" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


I certainly will be upgrading to the five S.  I was considering switching to 
android, but I don't trust Google when it comes to universal design. Plus 
the ecosystem is just too fragmented. While fragmentation is a bit of a 
problem on iOS, it's not nearly as bad. I have a for S, and really want to 
take advantage of the fingerprint reader. Plus my screen is misinterpreting 
taps to mean two figner double taps. I'm pretty much broke at this point, so 
won't be upgrading until the first of next month when I get my check, but I 
definitely plan to do it then.


Mike

Twitter michaelsreiser

Skype michael-rei...@comcast.net

Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:30 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
wrote:



The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to
the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is
also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they
specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple
camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of
pixels.

On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 4S 
and

feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC here in North
America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple puts a NFC chip in
the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of a boost although I 
also

feel there are still security volnerabilities which need to be addressed
before I’d trust it completely.



It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how then
said
feature or technological advance is played down by the media. Then within 
a

year or so Android and others quietly come out with their version of same
feature/technology. I think SIRI was a good example for this and I would 
be

very surprised if we didn’t see high-end Android phones suddenly having
fingerprint sensors very soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me to
upgrade, Touch ID is probably at the top of the list for me this time 
along

with the faster performance.



I believe the iPhone 5C and 5S will be extremely successful for Apple 
once
again just as the 5 was which nobody really thought. With the 4S Apple 
put
out a true world phone and I feel that this is more true for the 5C and 
5S
again as it was for the iPhone 5 last year. Furthermore, there are a lot 
of

iPhone 4 and 4S and even some 3GS users out there who I think will most
definitely upgrade. These people especially if they come from the 3GS or 
4

will be extremely happy with how fast the iPhone will be and with the
quality of the pictures.

The Nokia Lumia 1020 may have a 41 Megapixel camera and by a few might be
touted as the gold standard in camera phones, but it would be interesting
to
read an objective review and comparison of the 2 in terms of picture
quality
and camera features.



After everything is said and done I will most likely upgrade although it 
is

a bit disappointing that I will have to wait for the initial in-store
release to order my shiny new 5S since Apple is not offering 5S preorders
and I live in a very small and remote community where the closest Apple
Store is in Vancouver which by road is a 12-hour drive or a 1.5 hour 
flight

and I don’t want it bad enough to fly to Vancouver to stand in line on
Friday morning next week!





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



The iPhone 5s now has jitter protection, Apple specifically mentions this
on
its site, saying that it helps people with unsteady hands when taking
pictures. The bunch of camera features taken together really sound like
they
could represent an improvement.



Here's my blog post talking about the new phones and features as well as 
my

thoughts on whether I'll upgrade.

http://mosen.org/index.php/will-i-upgrade-to-iphone-5s-im-undecided/

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technolog

Re: IOS7?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I've heard from several people that VoiceOver users won't be able to get 
much out of IOS 7 because it's focus is on the visual aspect. Although 
that is a focus, there seems to be a lot in IOS 7 that we'll be able to 
take advantage of. In fact, when I look at 
http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ I see very few features that we 
won't benefit from.


* The Control Center.
* The Notification Center, and it's new views.
* The improvements to multitasking and anticipating what apps I'll be 
using next.
* More efficient use of battery power, such as when schedules are being 
updated.
* The camera, video and filter improvements, which I probably won't be 
taking advantage of much myself.

* Air Drop, which I think is a truly big deal.
* Not all of the Safari changes may not be beneficial to VoiceOver 
users, but the new interface to the tabs, the iCloud key chain, the 
smart URL/search bar all seem like we'd benefit from those changes.

* iTunes Radio
* All of the new Siri improvements.
* The App Store updates including automatic updates.
* Security improvements.
* I'm not sure how much this will help blind users, but as a passenger, 
I can see myself using some of the new integration features with IOS in 
your car.
* I don't see why we wouldn't be able to take advantage of the IOS at 
work features.



On 09/12/2013 02:24 PM, Rose Combs wrote:

Hmm, to me nothing sounds overly exciting to Voiceover users, I probably am
wrong but it isn't mentioned and so many of the new things seem to rely
heavily on visual effects.  Just what I get from hearing the podcast and
reading the page.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS7?

I found the following site with Google the other day, and I know I've seen
it posted to this or another list recently, but here's Apple's page on the
IOS 7 features: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/

On 09/11/2013 09:33 AM, Sandratomkins wrote:

Hi,
I didn't get to listen to the presentation about the new phones, but I'm

interested to know about the new operating system. Is there anywhere I can
go to hear more about the details of I OS7?

Thanks,
Sandy.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

And also as I pointed out, each person has to make that choice for 
themselves.  For somebody with limited use of their hands, siri may be a God 
send.  For somebody who doesn't do much web browsing or have many contacts, 
siri might not be any big deal.  I can't even say for certainty that I will 
use siri all that often.  The iPhone 4 doesn't have it however, from some of 
the siri like apps I've tried, it seemed more bother then it was worth. 
Going from my iPhone 4 to the 5S makes sense and I can afford it having 
saved up the money long ago.  Only you can tell if it's a right choice for 
you.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


If everyone used that logic, Alan, you would have had a 5 by now. 
Frankly, I see more rationale to move from a 4, if anything just to get 
Siri.


But, if Tess doesn't do a lot of OCR or photography, it may not be worth 
the jump.  You'd need a different case, different screen protector, if you 
connect the iPhone to anything you'll need a lightning connector adapter, 
granted those aren't big expenses, but if you don't plan to take advantage 
of the improved processing for intensive apps or use the improved 
photographic features, then there may not be a big reason to upgrade.
- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Paganelli" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it 
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going 
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tess" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if it 
is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or 
so

and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their carrier 
of

choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one 
and
would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely 
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that 
there's

no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy 
lines at

the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Behalf

Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last 
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. 
Not
only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences 
between

4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better 
camera.

The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

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On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that the 
5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention are: 
64
bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise 
m

RE: iPhone presentation

[Rose Combs]

I am curious about IOS 7 also, for the time being, I will keep my 4S,
however, at least for a while.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone presentation

I remember last year how Mike was so jazzed to get an iPhone 5.  I had the
same excitement when I selected the iPhone 5 as my first cell phone on
December 21.  I can't wait to examine the validated specifications.  If they
have doubled the processor speed, apps will be able to do a lot more.  for
me, the big change is with iOS7.  There are so many new functions I am
looking forward to.  The most important one to me is the stolen iPhone app.
In the last two days, two Chicago police officers were jumped, beaten and
robbed in two separate incidents in my neighborhood.  Apparently, they
weren't carrying their firearm.  I keep my iPhone discretely out of public
view to avoid being a crime victim.

Kelly



On 9/10/13, Chris Smart  wrote:
> it wasn't a live stream.
> 5C cheaper plastic-case phone for China and other emerging markets.
> Same specs as iPhone 5, A6 chip etc.
>
> iPhone 5S has an new A7 chip, 64-bit quad core, improved camera, more 
> LTE bands (again for that China market)
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Re: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

[RobH.]

I agree, I got a cutter here.  But Nano is the one I didn't know;  cutting 
down to those is a bit beyond the pail.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?


Hi Rob,

I can confirm from my own experience that you can cut a standard SIM to the
size of a Micro SIM and it works just fine, I have had it done with an AT&T
Go Phone prepaid SIM which I bought, I had somebody cut it for me and it fit
into my 4S just fine and worked.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

No!
I have just offered simm cutters to make the mini or whatever it is in the
4/4s;  but the microSimm is thinner too;  so cutting down an existing one
stil wouldn't help.

Rh.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?


Hi all.

I have an iPhone 3GS which I am looking to upgrade from. Is it possible to
make a standered SIM card work in say the iPhone 5s gfor example? If not,
how hard would it be to get a number transferred to a nano sim  as I think
that is what is Bering used. I have AT&T as my carrier.

Thanks

Matthew



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RE: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Matthew,

It is I believe possible to cut a standard SIM down to the size of a Nano
SIM, but even more difficult than cutting it to the size of a Micro SIM
which was used by the 4 and 4S. The problem is that a Nano SIM is also
thinner than a standard SIM hence I read online it is necessary to sand the
SIM after you cut it and there is a very good likelihood that unless you
really know what you are doing you will destroy your SIM.

If you buy an iPhone 5S whether on contract or at full price, you should be
able to easily ask AT&T to give you a Nano SIM and there is no problem
whatsoever to acvate your current cell number on that new SIM.

I think the only situation where trying to cut and sand a standard SIM would
be if you had an unlocked iPhone 5 and were visiting a country where you
could only get a standard SIM. The I guess you could try and find a place
where they offer to adapt SIM cardsand give it a try.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 5s and older SIM cards?

Hi all.

I have an iPhone 3GS which I am looking to upgrade from. Is it possible to
make a standered SIM card work in say the iPhone 5s gfor example? If not,
how hard would it be to get a number transferred to a nano sim  as I think
that is what is Bering used. I have AT&T as my carrier.

Thanks

Matthew



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Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

[Chris H]

Good evening all.
Just had a lovely FaceTime call. But have a question.
Why does it sound so much better than a regular landline or cellular 
call? Is it because it's all done over wifi and is using the excellent 
microphone on the iPhone? Sorry if this sounds a stupid question, but I 
am considering using FaceTime because despite my hearing impairment I 
can really hear the person, whereas a regular landline or cellular call 
is good, but cannot always make out what they are saying, especially if 
the words use letters that are high in pitch, such as s.

Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

That's interesting you saying you have an iPhone 5 and you said you should 
of stuck with the iPhone 4.  May I ask what makes you say that?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Vece" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Chris;

I have the 5 with Verizon and, i'm staying put also.

Now that I look back on it I should have stayed with the 4.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before 
the next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I 
don't see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I don't 
see this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on anyone who 
does choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, and I 
personally don't see a reason to spend the money to get a 5S.


On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
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on

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my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or 
so

and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one 
and

would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. 
Not

only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better 
camera.

The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

--
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I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter
and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
the 5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention are: 
64

bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise
motion
tracking system, and fingerprint unlocking. The first three will provide
significantly improved OCR, object recognition, barcode scanning, and
colour
recognition. The fourth will provide more accurate motion tracking for
things like distance measurement and certain types of app / Siri
activation.
The fifth will provide much better, and yet more convenient security.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/09/2013, at 7:52, 

RE: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just like a Skype call sounds much better a Facetime call also can take
advantage of the much wider bandwidth of a WiFi or 3G/LTE connection and
also keep in mind that Skype or Facetime is digital all the way whereas a
regular phone call is analogue and it is highly compressed.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about FaceTime and the hearing impaired

Good evening all.
Just had a lovely FaceTime call. But have a question.
Why does it sound so much better than a regular landline or cellular call?
Is it because it's all done over wifi and is using the excellent microphone
on the iPhone? Sorry if this sounds a stupid question, but I am considering
using FaceTime because despite my hearing impairment I can really hear the
person, whereas a regular landline or cellular call is good, but cannot
always make out what they are saying, especially if the words use letters
that are high in pitch, such as s.
Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Chris H]

I know from just tonight that Siri is a god send to people who cannot 
write very well due to a learning difficulty for example.


On 12/09/2013 21:04, Alan Paganelli wrote:

And also as I pointed out, each person has to make that choice for
themselves.  For somebody with limited use of their hands, siri may be a
God send.  For somebody who doesn't do much web browsing or have many
contacts, siri might not be any big deal.  I can't even say for
certainty that I will use siri all that often.  The iPhone 4 doesn't
have it however, from some of the siri like apps I've tried, it seemed
more bother then it was worth. Going from my iPhone 4 to the 5S makes
sense and I can afford it having saved up the money long ago.  Only you
can tell if it's a right choice for you.
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- Original Message - From: "Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



If everyone used that logic, Alan, you would have had a 5 by now.
Frankly, I see more rationale to move from a 4, if anything just to
get Siri.

But, if Tess doesn't do a lot of OCR or photography, it may not be
worth the jump.  You'd need a different case, different screen
protector, if you connect the iPhone to anything you'll need a
lightning connector adapter, granted those aren't big expenses, but if
you don't plan to take advantage of the improved processing for
intensive apps or use the improved photographic features, then there
may not be a big reason to upgrade.
- Original Message - From: "Alan Paganelli"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If
it were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm
going from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
---

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Alan

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now! Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know
everything.

Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on
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on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year
or so
and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those
of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for
one and
would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm
definitely going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February
last year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to
upgrade. Not
only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be
getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better
camera.
The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter
and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
the 5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. 

RE: iPhone presentation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rose,

You will be able to upgrade to iOS 7 on your 4S without any issues and it
will run well. Even the iPhone 4 gets iOS 7 (some features of course will be
missing since things like Airdrop, for example, require hardware the 4 and
4S don't have), but Rob from the Today in iOS podcast has already confirmed
that his iPhone 4 runs iOS 7 at least as well as it did iOS 6.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone presentation

I am curious about IOS 7 also, for the time being, I will keep my 4S,
however, at least for a while.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone presentation

I remember last year how Mike was so jazzed to get an iPhone 5.  I had the
same excitement when I selected the iPhone 5 as my first cell phone on
December 21.  I can't wait to examine the validated specifications.  If they
have doubled the processor speed, apps will be able to do a lot more.  for
me, the big change is with iOS7.  There are so many new functions I am
looking forward to.  The most important one to me is the stolen iPhone app.
In the last two days, two Chicago police officers were jumped, beaten and
robbed in two separate incidents in my neighborhood.  Apparently, they
weren't carrying their firearm.  I keep my iPhone discretely out of public
view to avoid being a crime victim.

Kelly



On 9/10/13, Chris Smart  wrote:
> it wasn't a live stream.
> 5C cheaper plastic-case phone for China and other emerging markets.
> Same specs as iPhone 5, A6 chip etc.
>
> iPhone 5S has an new A7 chip, 64-bit quad core, improved camera, more 
> LTE bands (again for that China market)
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I'll have to wait and see what's in the iPhone 6 before I make up 
my mind. Besides, I may not be able to wait that long and I may decide I 
have to move up to the iPhone 5S. We'll just have to wait and see!


On 09/12/2013 01:07 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

I don't blame you a bit.  I wouldn't do it either.  If you were going
from a 4S to a iPhone 6, I could understand that.
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- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade
before the next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone
4S, and I don't see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to
upgrade. I don't see this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing
judgment on anyone who does choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my
needs right now, and I personally don't see a reason to spend the
money to get a 5S.

On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
---

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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year
or so
and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those
of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for
one and
would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to
upgrade. Not
only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be
getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better
camera.
The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter
and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
the 5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention
are: 64
bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise
motion
tracking system, and fingerprint unlocking. The first three will
provide
significantly improved OCR, object recognition, barcode scanning, and
colour
recognition. The fourth will provide more accurate motion tracking for
things like distance measurement and certain types of app / Siri
activation.
The fifth will provide much better, and yet more convenient security.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/09/2013, at 7:52, "K

RE: IOS7?

[Cristóbal]

The control center or whatever it's called will be a big-time help.
Especially for those of us with sighted folks in the family. No more having
to dig for the settings appand then brightness just to increase and decrease
screen brightness when someone wants to use it. I can finally take the
settings app off of my dockk. 
Hopefully other accessibility bugs like the headings issue will be fixed
too. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS7?

Hmm, to me nothing sounds overly exciting to Voiceover users, I probably am
wrong but it isn't mentioned and so many of the new things seem to rely
heavily on visual effects.  Just what I get from hearing the podcast and
reading the page.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS7?

I found the following site with Google the other day, and I know I've seen
it posted to this or another list recently, but here's Apple's page on the
IOS 7 features: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/

On 09/11/2013 09:33 AM, Sandratomkins wrote:
> Hi,
> I didn't get to listen to the presentation about the new phones, but 
> I'm
interested to know about the new operating system. Is there anywhere I can
go to hear more about the details of I OS7?
> Thanks,
> Sandy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: iPhone presentation

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you haven't checked it out already Rose, you can go to 
http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read up a bit more on some of 
the most notable features in IOS 7.


On 09/12/2013 03:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Rose,

You will be able to upgrade to iOS 7 on your 4S without any issues and it
will run well. Even the iPhone 4 gets iOS 7 (some features of course will be
missing since things like Airdrop, for example, require hardware the 4 and
4S don't have), but Rob from the Today in iOS podcast has already confirmed
that his iPhone 4 runs iOS 7 at least as well as it did iOS 6.

Regards,
Sieghard


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I am curious about IOS 7 also, for the time being, I will keep my 4S,
however, at least for a while.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:46 PM
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Subject: Re: iPhone presentation

I remember last year how Mike was so jazzed to get an iPhone 5.  I had the
same excitement when I selected the iPhone 5 as my first cell phone on
December 21.  I can't wait to examine the validated specifications.  If they
have doubled the processor speed, apps will be able to do a lot more.  for
me, the big change is with iOS7.  There are so many new functions I am
looking forward to.  The most important one to me is the stolen iPhone app.
In the last two days, two Chicago police officers were jumped, beaten and
robbed in two separate incidents in my neighborhood.  Apparently, they
weren't carrying their firearm.  I keep my iPhone discretely out of public
view to avoid being a crime victim.

Kelly



On 9/10/13, Chris Smart  wrote:

it wasn't a live stream.
5C cheaper plastic-case phone for China and other emerging markets.
Same specs as iPhone 5, A6 chip etc.

iPhone 5S has an new A7 chip, 64-bit quad core, improved camera, more
LTE bands (again for that China market)

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RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

[Alan Lemly]

Fanus, I've never done a podcast but since I'm not opposed to learning
through new experiences, I'll start looking into a Tonido podcast.

And to answer Hank, I still have some vision and use ZoomText for my screen
reader so I don't know about the Tonido desktop app with JAWS.

Alan Lemly

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Of Fanus
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

Hi Alan
Would you consider doing a podcast on tonido?
Regards
Fanus

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The 
Tonido App


Max, it is possible to play music stored on your local 
computer network on
your iPhone if you have the Tonido app. This app is not for 
playing music on
a cloud server but will let you turn your own computer into 
a server where
you can access any of the files it contains. Tonido also has 
a music player
built into it and supports playlists so you have access to 
any of your music
without having to transfer it to a cloud server.

In order to use Tonido and set up your local computer as 
your personal cloud
source, you have to install the applicable Tonido Desktop 
program on your
computer. They have versions for most operating systems 
including Windows,
OSX, and Linux. Once you install the desktop software, you 
use it to set up
your Tonido account so that your mobile device can access 
the files on your
computer. Here's the link to the Tonido downloads page where 
you can get the
desktop program:

http://www.tonido.com/tonidodesktop_downloads/

After that is done, you can get the app for your mobile 
device and install
it. Here's a link to the Tonido app for the iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tonido-file-access-music-video/id388726418?m
t=8

I'm still playing around with Tonido but it seems to do 
everything it says
including the ability to play music on your local computer 
with its music
player.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to 
my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on any
device which has SIRI.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Alan Paganelli
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Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
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- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just 
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I 
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new 
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I 
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in

June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it 
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a 
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match 
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say

the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice 
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either. 
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the 
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Christopher Chaltain]

The accessible solutions for the Apple 2E and the Lisa were not Apple 
products. they were third party products. that's like giving Microsoft 
and Bill Gates credit for JAWS.


Apple needs to be praised for their commitment to accessibility, but 
let's not rewrite history in the process. If anything, Apple's 
commitment to accessibility is even more impressive given that it had to 
be incorporated into existing product lines. It goes in the face of the 
claim that accessibility is too expensive to retrofit and gives us hope 
for things like Windows Phone and other platforms, operating systems and 
applications that aren't currently accessible.


On 09/12/2013 01:12 PM, Steve wrote:

I can only speculate on the rationale.  If you read the book Exploding
the Phone, you will see that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak had several
blind acquaintances back in the early 70's.

Remember, that in the earlier days of computing, there were accessible
solutions for the Apple 2e and the Lisa.

Steve
- Original Message - From: "Wayne gmail " 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


While I applaud Apple for making a giant leap forward in accessibility, I
won't pretend that I can guess all the reasons why.  There is no doubt that
they are a huge game changer and that is in keeping with their whole
corporate philosophy. It may be that compassion, concern for public image,
and desire to maximize market share are the principle drivers.  It may also
be that the updated ADA and increasing legal pressure played a role as
well.
That ADA is being taken seriously has been demonstrated by the fact that
Amazon and a consortium of producers of EReader hardware  have requested a
waiver of the ADA accessibility requirements for future product releases.
Part of their reasoning  is that this need is being met by the IBook and
Kindle apps used on phones and tablets.
   At best, Apple is being unclear and inconsistent about refunds but I
believe that has more to do with it's low priority in the overall
development of corporate policy than any deliberate intent.
  I've never asked for a refund and given the price of most apps I probably
never will.  If I do, and use the "report a problem" suggested by the
accessibility team I think I'll probably get it.  If I don't, life is too
short to spend a lot of time and energy worrying about it.
  I definitely do not think pushing for accessibility is whining or asking
for charity.  ADA is a flawed compromise between the disabled community and
the commercial marketplace but I saw firsthand that it had a tremendous
impact on job prospects for the disabled.  Most restaurant owners and hotel
managers will tell you that the long term benefits in increased custom have
made the short term investments worthwhile.  Despite the unreasonable
expectation stories which appeared from time to time after passage of ADA
the effect has been that the disabled portion of our society are less
disabled and more visible.  That is a good thing.  I've always suspected a
lot of the business folks who objected to ADA were mainly objecting to the
government telling them what to do about anything.

   As for Apple refunds, why not just use the tools Apple provides for
requesting one, be glad if you get it, and be loud if you don't get it and
it is that important to you.  It is what it is and life moves merrily
along.
  Lisa, I pretty much agree with your points about our needing to accept
the
responsibility for learning to use accessibility tools.  However, there
is a
difference between accessibility and usability.  Apple has generally done a
great job of making VO accessible and useable because when they decided to
do it, they decided to do it right.  I've seen other software developed in
the Windows environment where accessibility has been implemented in a
manner
best described as surly.  "I've gotta do it but I don't have to let you
like
it!"  As customers, we can and should advocate for useable accessibility in
apps we buy as opposed to one recently discussed on the list where people
had to count buttons or label them themselves.  We can count and label but
labels on objects ain't rocket science and indicates lazy programming not
artistic freedom.  The whole point of computers is to let one programmer do
something once so thousands of customers don't have to do it thousands of
times.
Refund requests may be one way of telling developers they should take that
extra little time in their product development.

Regards,
Wayne

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

David I understand where you're coming from.  I've taught basic Windows and
screen reading skills on and off for years and people often want to call
something inaccessible when it's r

RE: IOS7?

[Rose Combs]

Hmm, to me nothing sounds overly exciting to Voiceover users, I probably am
wrong but it isn't mentioned and so many of the new things seem to rely
heavily on visual effects.  Just what I get from hearing the podcast and
reading the page.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS7?

I found the following site with Google the other day, and I know I've seen
it posted to this or another list recently, but here's Apple's page on the
IOS 7 features: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/

On 09/11/2013 09:33 AM, Sandratomkins wrote:
> Hi,
> I didn't get to listen to the presentation about the new phones, but I'm
interested to know about the new operating system. Is there anywhere I can
go to hear more about the details of I OS7?
> Thanks,
> Sandy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

The question of multiple users on a single iPhone 5S unfortunately was not 
address in yesterdays presentation.  If I may voice an opinion here and you 
all know what opinions are worth, I would guess that here is where that 
password thing they mentioned would come in.

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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



Hi Dawn,

The new 5S will most definitely do the best job with apps that use the
camera. Some of the features like automatic image stabilization, better 
low
light performance etc. are all things which will most likely benefit a 
blind

person who is trying to take a picture of something.

They did mention in the keynote that you can also authorize iTunes 
purchases

using the fingerprint sensor, however, they did not say at this point that
you can also use it, for example, to authorize a purchase on Amazon or 
have

it enter passwords on other sites or in other apps.
I guess if you share your phone with somebody and you don't want them to 
be
able to purchase stuff in iTunes or the app store, you better just give 
them

the password instead of setting them up to use the fingerprint sensor.


Regards,
Sieghard


Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

which one would be better for identifying objects, accessibility, etc.
also, with the finger print, is that referring to the phone password, not
the itune password?  if it applies what if more than one person uses the
phone?


-Original Message- 
From: Annie Skov Nielsen

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi.

The new IPhone could have some advantages for braille users, because it is
faster. I do not think there is much use of it, if you only use speech, 
but

braille speed e.g. in kindle could possibly be improved.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 10, 2013 kl. 10:20 PM skrev Anthony Vece :


Hi Karen;

I think that's about it.

I'll wait and see what the 6 has to offer.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "Karen Poulakos" 
wrote:


Will it be the same phone as the 5 is now?  or will new features be
added? What are the new features of the 5S, other than the security
features i've seen mentioned here?

Karen P
- Original Message - From: "Fred Olver" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



Karen, the 5C will replace the 5. It will be offered in 16 and 32 GB
models.
Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message - From: "Karen Poulakos"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Features of the 5S and 5C


I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but 
haven't



seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference
between the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to
the 5, with the hopes that one would be offered at a less expensive
price. Someone mentioned the 5 will be no longer available?

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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

[Fanus]

Hi Alan
Would you consider doing a podcast on tonido?
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The 
Tonido App


Max, it is possible to play music stored on your local 
computer network on
your iPhone if you have the Tonido app. This app is not for 
playing music on
a cloud server but will let you turn your own computer into 
a server where
you can access any of the files it contains. Tonido also has 
a music player
built into it and supports playlists so you have access to 
any of your music
without having to transfer it to a cloud server.

In order to use Tonido and set up your local computer as 
your personal cloud
source, you have to install the applicable Tonido Desktop 
program on your
computer. They have versions for most operating systems 
including Windows,
OSX, and Linux. Once you install the desktop software, you 
use it to set up
your Tonido account so that your mobile device can access 
the files on your
computer. Here's the link to the Tonido downloads page where 
you can get the
desktop program:

http://www.tonido.com/tonidodesktop_downloads/

After that is done, you can get the app for your mobile 
device and install
it. Here's a link to the Tonido app for the iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tonido-file-access-music-video/id388726418?m
t=8

I'm still playing around with Tonido but it seems to do 
everything it says
including the ability to play music on your local computer 
with its music
player.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Agent086b
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:56 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to 
my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Cristóbal]

So you're supposed to be able to store up to ten finger prints on the
device. This should in theory enable you to allow your significant other or
whoever else you want to have access to your phone the chance to slap some
of their prints on there as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The question of multiple users on a single iPhone 5S unfortunately was not
address in yesterdays presentation.  If I may voice an opinion here and you
all know what opinions are worth, I would guess that here is where that
password thing they mentioned would come in.
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- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C


> Hi Dawn,
>
> The new 5S will most definitely do the best job with apps that use the
> camera. Some of the features like automatic image stabilization, better 
> low
> light performance etc. are all things which will most likely benefit a 
> blind
> person who is trying to take a picture of something.
>
> They did mention in the keynote that you can also authorize iTunes 
> purchases
> using the fingerprint sensor, however, they did not say at this point that
> you can also use it, for example, to authorize a purchase on Amazon or 
> have
> it enter passwords on other sites or in other apps.
> I guess if you share your phone with somebody and you don't want them to 
> be
> able to purchase stuff in iTunes or the app store, you better just give 
> them
> the password instead of setting them up to use the fingerprint sensor.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dawn Petty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>
> which one would be better for identifying objects, accessibility, etc.
> also, with the finger print, is that referring to the phone password, not
> the itune password?  if it applies what if more than one person uses the
> phone?
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Annie Skov Nielsen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>
> Hi.
>
> The new IPhone could have some advantages for braille users, because it is
> faster. I do not think there is much use of it, if you only use speech, 
> but
> braille speed e.g. in kindle could possibly be improved.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> Den Sep 10, 2013 kl. 10:20 PM skrev Anthony Vece :
>
>> Hi Karen;
>>
>> I think that's about it.
>>
>> I'll wait and see what the 6 has to offer.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "Karen Poulakos" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Will it be the same phone as the 5 is now?  or will new features be
>>> added? What are the new features of the 5S, other than the security
>>> features i've seen mentioned here?
>>>
>>> Karen P
>>> - Original Message - From: "Fred Olver" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>>>
>>>
 Karen, the 5C will replace the 5. It will be offered in 16 and 32 GB
 models.
 Fred Olver



 Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



 have a look it just makes sense.

 http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






 - Original Message - From: "Karen Poulakos"
 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:52 PM
 Subject: Features of the 5S and 5C


> I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but 
> haven't
>
> seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference
> between the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to
> the 5, with the hopes that one would be offered at a less expensive
> price. Someone mentioned the 5 will be no longer available?
>
> Karen P
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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi, I think that's a valid point but could be gotten around by setting up
more than one finger, including one you wouldn't use for reading Braille and
not just on one hand. A good one would be one's thumbs I'd think.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers which
may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.

Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting can
be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you turn
off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.


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Re: Response from Apple Accessibility

[Chris H]

I can't see a policy on their website either, but that's their claim and 
it seems like I am not the only one to have heard of this.


On 12/09/2013 07:39, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear  Chris,

Is there such a policy?  I couldn't get it on their website.  Do please
share if you have it.

With best wishes,

Ketan

-Original Message- From: Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Response from Apple Accessibility

   Hello,

Thank you for your email. The iTunes Store policy regarding app refunds
for inaccessibile apps has not changed. The Store will provide refunds
as long as they fall within the 90 day refund window (as is standard
with any iTunes Store refund.) Please ensure that any refund you request
is made in a timely manner as we cannot grant exceptions to the 90 day
policy.



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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

[Fanus]

Hi Alan
Thanks man, I am sure you will be able to..
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The 
Tonido App


Fanus, I've never done a podcast but since I'm not opposed 
to learning
through new experiences, I'll start looking into a Tonido 
podcast.

And to answer Hank, I still have some vision and use 
ZoomText for my screen
reader so I don't know about the Tonido desktop app with 
JAWS.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fanus
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The 
Tonido App

Hi Alan
Would you consider doing a podcast on tonido?
Regards
Fanus

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The
Tonido App


Max, it is possible to play music stored on your local
computer network on
your iPhone if you have the Tonido app. This app is not for
playing music on
a cloud server but will let you turn your own computer into
a server where
you can access any of the files it contains. Tonido also has
a music player
built into it and supports playlists so you have access to
any of your music
without having to transfer it to a cloud server.

In order to use Tonido and set up your local computer as
your personal cloud
source, you have to install the applicable Tonido Desktop
program on your
computer. They have versions for most operating systems
including Windows,
OSX, and Linux. Once you install the desktop software, you
use it to set up
your Tonido account so that your mobile device can access
the files on your
computer. Here's the link to the Tonido downloads page where
you can get the
desktop program:

http://www.tonido.com/tonidodesktop_downloads/

After that is done, you can get the app for your mobile
device and install
it. Here's a link to the Tonido app for the iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tonido-file-access-music-video/id388726418?m
t=8

I'm still playing around with Tonido but it seems to do
everything it says
including the ability to play music on your local computer
with its music
player.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Agent086b
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:56 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to
my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Wayne gmail]

While I applaud Apple for making a giant leap forward in accessibility, I
won't pretend that I can guess all the reasons why.  There is no doubt that
they are a huge game changer and that is in keeping with their whole
corporate philosophy. It may be that compassion, concern for public image,
and desire to maximize market share are the principle drivers.  It may also
be that the updated ADA and increasing legal pressure played a role as well.
That ADA is being taken seriously has been demonstrated by the fact that
Amazon and a consortium of producers of EReader hardware  have requested a
waiver of the ADA accessibility requirements for future product releases.
Part of their reasoning  is that this need is being met by the IBook and
Kindle apps used on phones and tablets.
   At best, Apple is being unclear and inconsistent about refunds but I
believe that has more to do with it's low priority in the overall
development of corporate policy than any deliberate intent.  
  I've never asked for a refund and given the price of most apps I probably
never will.  If I do, and use the "report a problem" suggested by the
accessibility team I think I'll probably get it.  If I don't, life is too
short to spend a lot of time and energy worrying about it.
  I definitely do not think pushing for accessibility is whining or asking
for charity.  ADA is a flawed compromise between the disabled community and
the commercial marketplace but I saw firsthand that it had a tremendous
impact on job prospects for the disabled.  Most restaurant owners and hotel
managers will tell you that the long term benefits in increased custom have
made the short term investments worthwhile.  Despite the unreasonable
expectation stories which appeared from time to time after passage of ADA
the effect has been that the disabled portion of our society are less
disabled and more visible.  That is a good thing.  I've always suspected a
lot of the business folks who objected to ADA were mainly objecting to the
government telling them what to do about anything.

   As for Apple refunds, why not just use the tools Apple provides for
requesting one, be glad if you get it, and be loud if you don't get it and
it is that important to you.  It is what it is and life moves merrily along.
  Lisa, I pretty much agree with your points about our needing to accept the
responsibility for learning to use accessibility tools.  However, there is a
difference between accessibility and usability.  Apple has generally done a
great job of making VO accessible and useable because when they decided to
do it, they decided to do it right.  I've seen other software developed in
the Windows environment where accessibility has been implemented in a manner
best described as surly.  "I've gotta do it but I don't have to let you like
it!"  As customers, we can and should advocate for useable accessibility in
apps we buy as opposed to one recently discussed on the list where people
had to count buttons or label them themselves.  We can count and label but
labels on objects ain't rocket science and indicates lazy programming not
artistic freedom.  The whole point of computers is to let one programmer do
something once so thousands of customers don't have to do it thousands of
times.  
Refund requests may be one way of telling developers they should take that
extra little time in their product development.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa belville
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

David I understand where you're coming from.  I've taught basic Windows and
screen reading skills on and off for years and people often want to call
something inaccessible when it's really a lack of knowledge of their screen
reader or Windows rather than a genuine case of inaccessibility.  Of course
there are cases of sighted people assuming an OS or app doesn't do something
simply because they do not have the skills or the knowledge to research or
experiment.

But this is not the case in a situation where someone purchases an
inaccessible app.  A sighted person purchasing an app will at least have the
opportunity to put the software through it's paces.  True, a summary of
features and screenshots are not sufficient means of judging the usefulness
of a program, but in a case where a person, presumably a sighted person,
regrets dropping the cash on an app their aggravation is most likely
stemming from the software's capabilities being over inflated by the
developer.  Whereas a blind person downloading the same app where no VO
access is genuinely not included  doesn't even have the chance to determine
whether or not the app will meet his or her needs in the first place.

IMO there is a huge difference between whining about something not suiting
someone's needs due to it's not being advertised accurately and not being
ab

Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[John Diakogeorgiou]

A couple of comments. First Alan stated that he would get a case with
the new phone. The cases are I think $39.
As I've previously mentioned the finger print scanner is a huge
advantage for blind people in that others will not hear your password
as you type it in. That in and of itself is a huge security advantage.
Finally, one of the podcasts I heard said that he is using IOS 7 on a
4s and it runs well.

On 9/12/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Victor,
>
> According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
> resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this
> may
> avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
> may effect it. Here is some information I just found:
>
> The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
> Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
> them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
> through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
> Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
> ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe.
>
> First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints
> on
> the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
> the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
> information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
> that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans if
> they crack the chip.
>
> Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
> course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
> before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they
> reboot
> their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days.
> In
> other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
> iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
> between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
> application to steal your fingerprint data.
>
> Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
> perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
> fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
> sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
> users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>
> The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
> fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
> blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
> reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers
> which
> may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
>
> Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
> afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
> this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting
> can
> be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you
> turn
> off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

Ios 7 will be avilible on 9/18/2013 for download.
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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Kimmie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



Can I ask, when ios7 available
Please?
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lynda Ingraham
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 12:34 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi Christopher,

The list has been very busy with posts. If my question has been answered,
please accept my apology.

Are all of the new features of IOS7 going to work on the 4s? Also, is the 
4s

going to have difficulty handling the demands of IOS7?

Thank you in advance,

Lynda
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before 
the

next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I don't
see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I don't see
this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on anyone who 
does

choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, and I personally
don't see a reason to spend the money to get a 5S.

On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format
formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for

listening!


- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another
year or so and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of
us that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some
really nice improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full
price for one and would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone
6.  I'm definitely going for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm
somewhat disappointed that there's no pre-order possible for that
model. Not sure but I believe Apple's thinking behind that is wanting
to create more excitement and crazy lines at the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to
upgrade. Not only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the
differences between 4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to
me and I'll be getting this one. I'm looking forward to the new
64-bit chip and a better camera.
The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

--
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On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
the 5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the
other hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my
attention are: 64 bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera
aperture, a more precise motion tracking system, and fingerprint
unlock

Re: Looking for recommendations for a music app with more customizable settings

[Alan Paganelli]

I'd like to know that as well.  My iPod fifth generation has that ability to 
cross fade songs and you get to choose from several choices of cross fade.  And 
the nice part is you can toggle it on and off in settings.  I was very much 
surprised when I got my iPhone 4 that this feature is not there.  Maybe we'll 
see it in ios 7.  What do  you think?
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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Moop Curran 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:24 PM
  Subject: Looking for recommendations for a music app with more customizable 
settings


  Hi,
  Is there a good music app that has a better bass booster than the one offered 
in the stock apple music app? Also, is there a good music app with crossfading 
capabilities? It would be nice to have both of these features in one app, but 
if not, I understand.
  Thanks,
  Courtney




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Re: Downcast question

[Jonathan Mosen]

In iOS 6, audio-related apps are only allowed to run in the background for 
quite a short time. So if you run the app and then switch to another app, 
Downcast can keep going for a bit, fetching your podcasts and updating your 
feeds. But if you don't switch back from time to time, it's eventually going to 
time out and stop doing that. They implemented the location awareness feature 
to get around this. So for example it can be set up to update your feeds when 
you arrive at the airport.
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On 13/09/2013, at 1:51 AM, Shane Clark  wrote:

> So it doesn 't refresh without opening the app? I thought that  maybe it  did 
> it by itself, because I thought I got a notification one time before saying 
> two new items were available without opening the app
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My guess is that it refreshes when you open the app if it's been 3 hours or 
>> more since the last refresh. Double-tap the rEfresh button near the top of 
>> the screen, and Downcast should do it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Shane clark  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have my feeds in Downcast to refresh every 3 hours and in notifications 
>>> say new episodes button on, and feed refreshing button on. However, today 
>>> around 2:30, I was listening to a podcast, and got done, and just left 
>>> Downcast running in the background. I checked it about 30 minutes ago to 
>>> see if any new podcast where available, and nothing was available… However, 
>>> when I opened up podcast five new episodes all of a sudden became 
>>> available… Why is this? Why isn't the podcasts refreshing themselves 
>>> automatically? I thought that when you left Downcast Running in the 
>>> background, and you had everything set up to automatically refresh, that it 
>>> would without having to open up the app.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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My next upgrade

[Chris H]

Good evening all.
Friend and list member Hannah has now got a new shiny iPhone 4s. The 
contract is the same as last time (600 minutes, unlimited texts) but her 
data has increased from 100 mb to 750 mb. But guess what? despite all 
this she's on it at a cheaper price, £27 per month instead of £37 had 
she went for the 5! So going to look into this myself for my next upgrade.

Have a nice day.

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Steve]

Theoretically, since the 5s has better optics, it would be better.

The fingerprint ID can be trained.  I assume you can train it for more than 
one person, because I read a review where the person said when his wife 
touched the phone, it brought up her account.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn Petty" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


which one would be better for identifying objects, accessibility, etc. 
also, with the finger print, is that referring to the phone password, not 
the itune password?  if it applies what if more than one person uses the 
phone?



-Original Message- 
From: Annie Skov Nielsen

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi.

The new IPhone could have some advantages for braille users, because it is 
faster. I do not think there is much use of it, if you only use speech, 
but braille speed e.g. in kindle could possibly be improved.


Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 10, 2013 kl. 10:20 PM skrev Anthony Vece :


Hi Karen;

I think that's about it.

I'll wait and see what the 6 has to offer.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "Karen Poulakos"  
wrote:


Will it be the same phone as the 5 is now?  or will new features be 
added? What are the new features of the 5S, other than the security 
features i've seen mentioned here?


Karen P
- Original Message - From: "Fred Olver" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Karen, the 5C will replace the 5. It will be offered in 16 and 32 GB 
models.

Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message - From: "Karen Poulakos" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Features of the 5S and 5C


I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but 
haven't seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the 
difference between the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on 
upgrading to the 5, with the hopes that one would be offered at a less 
expensive price. Someone mentioned the 5 will be no longer available?


Karen P
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RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network_The Tonido App

[Alan Lemly]

Max, it is possible to play music stored on your local computer network on
your iPhone if you have the Tonido app. This app is not for playing music on
a cloud server but will let you turn your own computer into a server where
you can access any of the files it contains. Tonido also has a music player
built into it and supports playlists so you have access to any of your music
without having to transfer it to a cloud server.

In order to use Tonido and set up your local computer as your personal cloud
source, you have to install the applicable Tonido Desktop program on your
computer. They have versions for most operating systems including Windows,
OSX, and Linux. Once you install the desktop software, you use it to set up
your Tonido account so that your mobile device can access the files on your
computer. Here's the link to the Tonido downloads page where you can get the
desktop program:

http://www.tonido.com/tonidodesktop_downloads/

After that is done, you can get the app for your mobile device and install
it. Here's a link to the Tonido app for the iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tonido-file-access-music-video/id388726418?m
t=8

I'm still playing around with Tonido but it seems to do everything it says
including the ability to play music on your local computer with its music
player.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Agent086b
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:56 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think you're being perfectly clear David, but I don't agree with your 
premise that anyone is asking for charity. Unlike other platforms, such 
as Windows, we buy the apps through Apple's App Store, we don't purchase 
them directly from the developer. In the past, Apple has made it 
difficult for app developers to provide trials or demos of their 
software, so Apple is hindering our ability to check out the 
accessibility of apps before purchasing them. I know sighted customers 
also take a risk that an app they pay for may not meet there needs, but 
as blind consumers, we have far less information available to us through 
the App Store as to whether an app will be accessible and be able to be 
used by us. I don't see recognizing these facts and asking Apple to help 
with this issue is asking for charity.


I agree with shouldn't ask for charity, but I also believe we should 
demand accessibility. I agree it won't be possible for some apps to be 
accessible, but it wasn't very long ago that people assumed the touch 
screen interface itself was something that could never be made 
accessible. I don't think asking for an accessible smart phone is asking 
for charity, and I don't think working with Apple to ensure we have 
access to accessible apps, especially when Apple's own ecosystem hinders 
the availability of demos and trials, is asking for charity.


On 09/12/2013 06:50 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

Please let me be perfectly and unambiguously clear in my statement. Thanks to 
Apple placing VoiceOver in all of their consumer computer devices, we blind 
people have accessibility for no extra charge above what anyone else pays. This 
is a first for us blind people. And, we are not charity people for Apple. So, 
what do we do? We insist that Apple treat us differently than everyone else. We 
insist that Apple treat us as a charity population. Within the past day, a 
person sent an email to Apple saying that, because we are blind, Apple should 
give us a 30% discount on apps. That is requesting charity, and only because we 
are blind.

Unlike many, I prefer to be thought of as an independent consumer, not a 
charity case. Apple meets Apple's internal commitment by making VO, and by 
placing accessibility within easy reach for app developers. Apple does not need 
to go any further, and any further that they do go should not be in direction 
of us being charity.

I have never had another platform where the odds are that the software I 
purchase will be accessible rather than will not be accessible. Apple started 
it, and Google is continuing the trend.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 12/09/2013, at 23:24, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:


David,

I agree to some extent with your sentiments, but unfortunately we are not
the same population as the sighted population, but you don't have to tell
Apple that, since they created VoiceOver based on this fact. In other words,
they of all people know our needs are different.

I think the issue with the proper implementation of refunds due to
inaccessible apps was an oversight on Apple's behalf when it came to
properly instructing their customer service agents. Granted it's a huge
oversight but one nonetheless.

You will "always" have people gaining the system, so it isn't fair to punish
the entire population because of the actions of the few.

By the way, like you, I've never asked for a refund as I feel wasting hours
of my day in frustration amounts to many orders of magnitude the price of
the app. That is, I'm not going to waste 3 hours of my time, effort, and
frustration for a $1 or $2 app. I would actually feel very embarrassed
taking the time out to compose an email message requesting the reimbursement
of 4 quarters. .

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "David Chittenden" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


Here is my problem with all this stuff around accessibility of apps. Apple
clearly states in their documentation for those who are not blind, that all
sales are final. People on this list argue that sighted persons can look at
the, up to five, screen shots to ascertain if the app will work for them.
Get real, folks, five pictures does not tell a person how well an app works.
Five pictures only tells a person if they will find the lay-out of five
appearances of app screens to be acceptable. I have read many reviews of
apps where the reviewer comments that the app is a waste of money and the
reviewer wishes he/she did not waste the money on the app. And, this is the
case no matter how expensive the app is.

So, basically, what I interpret people to be saying is, we are special. We
require charity. We do not wish to be treated like everybody else.

For example, and the reason I am so specific about this, and the reason I
have never, and will never, unless Apple changes its general policy, ask for
an app refund is,

RE: battery drainage found problem

[Richard Turner]

U have your mail set to fetch automatically on a frequent basis?
I'm not sure why that would cause extra drain when on WiFi rather than 3G or
LTE, but that is a process that keeps running in the background that might
explain some of it.

Good luck, this sounds like quite a puzzle.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of May and Noah
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: battery drainage found problem

Good day everyone.

First off thanks to everyone that sent in suggestions about how to fix my
battery drainage issue. Well I found the problem but now I'm stumped again
and could use some suggestions on how this possibly could be fixed.

Here is what I discovered today since I have been keeping an eye on
what's up with my phone and the battery. After a nice dead phone and then a
full charge I unplugged the phone today and headed out at 7:20 yesterday
morning and by 9:30, 2 hours later it was still sitting at 99%. Lets say
maybe around noon I dropped to 95%. That's totally awesome and what I'm use
to my phone being like. Ok, so, get back home and we our connected back to
our wifi and here's where we discovered the problem. When I am connected to
wifi it's killing my battery. It's dropping maybe 5 to 10% every few
minutes.

So we double checked to see if in actually was the wifi so I now have wifi
off and when I did the battery was sitting at 78% that was maybe around
midnight. It is now 4 in the morning and my battery is sitting at 76%. So
I'm pretty sure now that it is wifi that is killing my battery all of a
sudden.

Does anyone have any ideas on how or why this might be?

keep in mind that this is probably the same issue on the phone I had until
recent. Two different phones, two different carriers.at a lost now.
May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Cristóbal]

I guess you could always include a pinky finger or two as a backup. Can't
say I do much Braille reading with my pinkies...
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while 
fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the 
blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille 
reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers which

may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.

Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't 
afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out, 
this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting can

be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you turn

off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.


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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Steve]

If everyone used that logic, Alan, you would have had a 5 by now.  Frankly, 
I see more rationale to move from a 4, if anything just to get Siri.


But, if Tess doesn't do a lot of OCR or photography, it may not be worth the 
jump.  You'd need a different case, different screen protector, if you 
connect the iPhone to anything you'll need a lightning connector adapter, 
granted those aren't big expenses, but if you don't plan to take advantage 
of the improved processing for intensive apps or use the improved 
photographic features, then there may not be a big reason to upgrade.
- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Paganelli" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it 
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going 
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tess" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if it 
is

really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or so
and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their carrier 
of

choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one and
would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely 
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that 
there's

no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy lines 
at

the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last 
year

and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. Not
only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences 
between

4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better camera.
The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

--
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and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that the 
5c

has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention are: 64
bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise 
motion

tracking system, and fingerprint unlocking. The first three will provide
significantly improved OCR, object recognition, barcode scanning, and 
colour

recognition. The fourth will provide more accurate motion tracking for
things like distance measurement and certain types of app / Siri 
activation.

The fifth will provide much better, and yet more convenient security.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/09/2013, at 7:52, "Karen Poulakos"  
wrote:



I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but haven't
seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference 
between

the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to the 5, with
the hopes that one would be offered at a less expensive price.  Someone
mentioned the 5 will be no longer available?


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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mike,

Just out of curiocity, can you explain your statement "While fragmentation
is a bit of a problem on iOS, it's not nearly as bad".

Thanks,
Sieghard
-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Reiser
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

I certainly will be upgrading to the five S.  I was considering switching to
android, but I don't trust Google when it comes to universal design. Plus
the ecosystem is just too fragmented. While fragmentation is a bit of a
problem on iOS, it's not nearly as bad. I have a for S, and really want to
take advantage of the fingerprint reader. Plus my screen is misinterpreting
taps to mean two figner double taps. I'm pretty much broke at this point, so
won't be upgrading until the first of next month when I get my check, but I
definitely plan to do it then.

Mike

Twitter michaelsreiser

Skype michael-rei...@comcast.net

Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:30 AM, John Diakogeorgiou 
wrote:

> The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to 
> the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is 
> also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they 
> specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple 
> camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of 
> pixels.
> 
> On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 
>> 4S and feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC 
>> here in North America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple 
>> puts a NFC chip in the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of 
>> a boost although I also feel there are still security volnerabilities 
>> which need to be addressed before I’d trust it completely.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how 
>> then said feature or technological advance is played down by the 
>> media. Then within a year or so Android and others quietly come out 
>> with their version of same feature/technology. I think SIRI was a 
>> good example for this and I would be very surprised if we didn’t see 
>> high-end Android phones suddenly having fingerprint sensors very 
>> soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me to upgrade, Touch ID is 
>> probably at the top of the list for me this time along with the 
>> faster performance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I believe the iPhone 5C and 5S will be extremely successful for Apple 
>> once again just as the 5 was which nobody really thought. With the 4S 
>> Apple put out a true world phone and I feel that this is more true 
>> for the 5C and 5S again as it was for the iPhone 5 last year. 
>> Furthermore, there are a lot of iPhone 4 and 4S and even some 3GS 
>> users out there who I think will most definitely upgrade. These 
>> people especially if they come from the 3GS or 4 will be extremely 
>> happy with how fast the iPhone will be and with the quality of the
pictures.
>> 
>> The Nokia Lumia 1020 may have a 41 Megapixel camera and by a few 
>> might be touted as the gold standard in camera phones, but it would 
>> be interesting to read an objective review and comparison of the 2 in 
>> terms of picture quality and camera features.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After everything is said and done I will most likely upgrade although 
>> it is a bit disappointing that I will have to wait for the initial 
>> in-store release to order my shiny new 5S since Apple is not offering 
>> 5S preorders and I live in a very small and remote community where 
>> the closest Apple Store is in Vancouver which by road is a 12-hour 
>> drive or a 1.5 hour flight and I don’t want it bad enough to fly to 
>> Vancouver to stand in line on Friday morning next week!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The iPhone 5s now has jitter protection, Apple specifically mentions 
>> this on its site, saying that it helps people with unsteady hands 
>> when taking pictures. The bunch of camera features taken together 
>> really sound like they could represent an improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here's my blog post talking about the new phones and features as well 
>> as my thoughts on whether I'll upgrade.
>> 
>> http://mosen.org/index.php/will-i-upgrade-to-iphone-5s-im-undecided/
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> 
>> Mosen Consulting
>> 
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> 
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/09/2013, at 11:02 PM, David Chittenden 
wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So long as one uses good technique for capturing the image, I expect 

RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Victor,

According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this may
avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
may effect it. Here is some information I just found:

The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe. 

First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints on
the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans if
they crack the chip.

Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they reboot
their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days. In
other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
application to steal your fingerprint data.

Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers which
may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.

Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting can
be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you turn
off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.


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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Donnie,

Apple also announced that multiple fingers can be scanned, for all I know
you might be able to scan all 10.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donnie Harris
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Sieghard,
I wonder if there is going to be a way to rescan your finger print in case
of a finger injury, like you just mentioned here.
I do mechanic work all of the time and always have cuts, scrapes etc...
Maybe they will allow a second finger to be scanned just in case of an
injury like this, it could kind of like the imfamous security question on a
secured website.
Just wondering, hopfully they will give some thought to an accident like
this.
I realize there would have to be a password involved or else a thief could
rescan it for their finger print.
Just my 2 cents!
Donnie Harris.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C


: Hi Victor,
:
: According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
: resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this
may
: avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
: may effect it. Here is some information I just found:
:
: The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
: Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
: them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
: through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
: Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
: ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe.
:
: First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints
on
: the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
: the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
: information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
: that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans
if
: they crack the chip.
:
: Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
: course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
: before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they
reboot
: their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days. 
In
: other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
: iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
: between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
: application to steal your fingerprint data.
:
: Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
: perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
: fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
: sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
: users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.
:
:
: Regards,
: Sieghard
:
: -Original Message-
: From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
: Of Victor Gouveia
: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
: To: viphone@googlegroups.com
: Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
:
: The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
: fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
: blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
: reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers
which
: may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
:
: Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
: afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
: this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting
can
: be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you
turn
: off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
:
:
: Victor Gouveia
: Vice-President
: Training Coordinator
: VIP Tech
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RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Raul,

Reading through your thread this situation is a bit different since you were
basically charged twice for the same app, just saying.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

Hi Lisa and all who are interested. First off Lisa, nice signature. I like
that. Now to you and to everyone else, when I've requested an app refund
I've gotten the same type of message that all sales are final, blah blah. In
fact, pasted below is the email thread I received when I got an app
refunded. I have also not asked for that many refunds, but this one comes to
mind because Apple really didn't have to refund it and yet they did. So,
thread follows.



Hello Raul,

Ezel here from iTunes Store Support again. I hope you are having an awesome
day so far.

I just wanted to say you're welcome and thank you very much for your reply.
I am glad to know that your issue has been resolved and I was able to
provide you with the support you deserve. I know first hand, how great it
feels to get what you need and to have things run smoothly.

It was my pleasure to help you, Raul. If you will have questions or concerns
in the future please don't hesitate to contact us again. We will be happy to
help you.

Nothing makes Apple happier than to hear that we have pleased our customers.

Take care and have a great weeks ahead!

Sincerely,

Ezel
iTunes Store Customer Support 
  http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/

Hello and thank you for following up. I really appreciate that you were able
to approve a refund for this app. Thank you and have a good weekend.

On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:35 PM, iTunes Store 
wrote:

 > Follow-Up: 259945571
 >
 > Hi again,
 >
 > I just wanted to follow up with you about your request for a refund.
 >
 > You'll receive your refund in 5-7 business days. If you have any
questions, please let me know. I'll be happy to help.
 >
 > Thanks for choosing the iTunes Store!
 >
 > Sincerely,
 >
 > Ezel
 > iTunes Store Customer Support 
 http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/
 >
 > Dear Raul,
 >
 > Thank you for writing back, Ezel here again to assist you further. I hope
that you are having a good day, despite of the issue at hand.
 >
 > Raul, I certainly understand the situation and I apologize for any
inconvenience that this caused. Also, I thank you for being so patient about
this issue and for being a loyal iTunes Store customer for so many years.
 >
 > I am pleased to let you know that, after reviewing the circumstances of
your case, we determined that issuing you a refund for your purchase of
"List Recorder Full" is an appropriate exception to the App Store Terms and
Conditions, which state that all sales are final. In five to seven business
days, a credit of 7.99 USD should be posted to the credit card that appears
on the receipt for that purchase.
 >
 > Please do not hesitate to contact me back if you have any questions or
concerns with the iTunes store and I will surely be glad to extend my
service.
 >
 >
 >
 > Sincerely,
 >
 > Ezel
 > iTunes Store Customer Support 
 http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/
 >
 > Hello Ezel. Thank you for responding to my question. The reason I was  >
getting the full app was because I was restoring my iPhone and needed to  >
reinstall some apps. I do not believe I should be charged twice since  > the
in-app purchase originally in July and this full version are  > essentially
the same thing. I would like you to reconsider this request  > to refund
this last purchase, or cancel it some how. If you cannot do  > this, then
perhaps a gift voucher in the same amount maybe can be given  > to me since
I will still continue to purchase apps for my device in the  > future. I've
never asked for an app refund even though some apps I've  > purchased have
been unusable by me since I'm blind and rely on  > VoiceOver. I really
appreciate any assistance you can offer.
 >
 > Thank you.
 >
 > --
 > Raul A. Gallegos
 >
 >
 > Dear Raul,
 >
 > Thank you for contacting iTunes Store Customer Support. My name is Ezel
and I am happy to assist you today.
 >
 > I understand that your card was charged again after downloading an app
that you already purchased back in July. I can imagine how confusing it is
when you already paid for the item but then you were billed again. 
I'd be happy to look in to this and provide you necessary information about
it.
 >
 > Raul, I carefully checked the information that you have provided and
found that the item that you purchased back in July and the item that you
recently downloaded are two different apps.
 >
 > Original item: List Recorder Free
 >
 >
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?cc=us&id=381
936335&mt=8&ls=1
 >
 > Recent purchase: List Recorder Full
 >
 >
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftw

Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Anthony Vece]

Yes, it is.

Where do you want to get your music from?


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi,
> is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
> Thanks for any advice.
> Max.
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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi Lisa and all who are interested. First off Lisa, nice signature. I 
like that. Now to you and to everyone else, when I've requested an app 
refund I've gotten the same type of message that all sales are final, 
blah blah. In fact, pasted below is the email thread I received when I 
got an app refunded. I have also not asked for that many refunds, but 
this one comes to mind because Apple really didn't have to refund it and 
yet they did. So, thread follows.




Hello Raul,

Ezel here from iTunes Store Support again. I hope you are having an 
awesome day so far.


I just wanted to say you're welcome and thank you very much for your 
reply. I am glad to know that your issue has been resolved and I was 
able to provide you with the support you deserve. I know first hand, how 
great it feels to get what you need and to have things run smoothly.


It was my pleasure to help you, Raul. If you will have questions or 
concerns in the future please don't hesitate to contact us again. We 
will be happy to help you.


Nothing makes Apple happier than to hear that we have pleased our 
customers.


Take care and have a great weeks ahead!

Sincerely,

Ezel
iTunes Store Customer Support 
 http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/


Hello and thank you for following up. I really appreciate that you were 
able to approve a refund for this app. Thank you and have a good weekend.


On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:35 PM, iTunes Store  
wrote:


> Follow-Up: 259945571
>
> Hi again,
>
> I just wanted to follow up with you about your request for a refund.
>
> You’ll receive your refund in 5-7 business days. If you have any 
questions, please let me know. I’ll be happy to help.

>
> Thanks for choosing the iTunes Store!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ezel
> iTunes Store Customer Support 
http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/

>
> Dear Raul,
>
> Thank you for writing back, Ezel here again to assist you further. I 
hope that you are having a good day, despite of the issue at hand.

>
> Raul, I certainly understand the situation and I apologize for any 
inconvenience that this caused. Also, I thank you for being so patient 
about this issue and for being a loyal iTunes Store customer for so many 
years.

>
> I am pleased to let you know that, after reviewing the circumstances 
of your case, we determined that issuing you a refund for your purchase 
of "List Recorder Full" is an appropriate exception to the App Store 
Terms and Conditions, which state that all sales are final. In five to 
seven business days, a credit of 7.99 USD should be posted to the credit 
card that appears on the receipt for that purchase.

>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me back if you have any questions 
or concerns with the iTunes store and I will surely be glad to extend my 
service.

>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ezel
> iTunes Store Customer Support 
http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/

>
> Hello Ezel. Thank you for responding to my question. The reason I was
> getting the full app was because I was restoring my iPhone and needed to
> reinstall some apps. I do not believe I should be charged twice since
> the in-app purchase originally in July and this full version are
> essentially the same thing. I would like you to reconsider this request
> to refund this last purchase, or cancel it some how. If you cannot do
> this, then perhaps a gift voucher in the same amount maybe can be given
> to me since I will still continue to purchase apps for my device in the
> future. I've never asked for an app refund even though some apps I've
> purchased have been unusable by me since I'm blind and rely on
> VoiceOver. I really appreciate any assistance you can offer.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
>
>
> Dear Raul,
>
> Thank you for contacting iTunes Store Customer Support. My name is 
Ezel and I am happy to assist you today.

>
> I understand that your card was charged again after downloading an 
app that you already purchased back in July. I can imagine how confusing 
it is when you already paid for the item but then you were billed again. 
I'd be happy to look in to this and provide you necessary information 
about it.

>
> Raul, I carefully checked the information that you have provided and 
found that the item that you purchased back in July and the item that 
you recently downloaded are two different apps.

>
> Original item: List Recorder Free
>
> 
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?cc=us&id=381936335&mt=8&ls=1

>
> Recent purchase: List Recorder Full
>
> 
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?cc=us&id=568759209&mt=8&ls=1

>
> The item that you initially bought was an in app upgrade and the item 
that you recently bought was a full version app.

>
> You may also review your purchases history to check your iTunes Store 
transaction, please follow the steps in this article:

>
> iTunes Store & Mac App Store: Seeing your purchase history and order 
numbers

> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2727
>
> I 

Re: Removing a sim card from an Iphone

[Michael Capelle]

Also, your iphone came with a special simcard removal tool.
check inside the manual.

-Original Message- 
From: MamaPeach

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing a sim card from an Iphone

If you know where the sim card is located in the device, look for a tiny
little whole on one side of it. Use something tiny such as an unwould paper
clip to insert into the hole to eject the sim card. Sometimes you have to
use a bit of pressure when using the paper clip in order to get the sim card
tray to eject from the device.

-Original Message- 
From: Wendy Alling

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Removing a sim card from an Iphone

Hi all,

Can someone give me instructions on how to remove a sim card from an old
Iphone 4 that I am selling on Gazelle?
Wendy

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Re: No preorders for the 5S, was|: Preordering an iphone 5S.

[Chris Smart]

yes, just as it does with PC's. Really, your iPhone is a computer 
with a smaller form factor right?


At 10:45 PM 9/10/2013, you wrote:
When it comes to smart phones, how does 64-bit benefit somebody over 
a 32-bit processor?  Does it really make a difference in speed that 
somebody would notice?



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:20 PM, John Diakogeorgiou 
 wrote:


> Their are a couple of significant changes that make the new phone
> quite nice. i.e. the fingerprint scanner and using 64bit instead of
> 32bit.
>
> On 9/10/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I wouldn't worry about Apple going under or getting bought up by anyone
>> any time soon. It's strongest competitor, Samsung, has their own set of
>> problems, and the S4 didn't overwhelm anyone either when it was
>> launched. I'm hearing a lot of the same things this announcement that I
>> heard when the iPhone 5 was launched a year ago. The smart phone market
>> has gotten much more mature in the last few years, and we're not seeing
>> the big leaps in innovation we saw when the technology was newer.
>> Apple's also suffering from their own success a bit. The iPhone 5S and
>> 5C were pretty poorly kept secrets, and with all of the hype around this
>> announcement, it's pretty hard for Apple to live up to those
>> expectations. Finally, Apple, and any company,  gets criticized when
>> things don't change enough, but they also get their share of criticism
>> when things change too much.
>>
>> On 09/10/2013 08:23 PM, Corey Michael Cook wrote:
>>> I actually doubt the lines will be that long. Just feels that this launch
>>> is
>>> different some how. Apple may be going in the direction of Blackberry and
>>> Palm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corey Cook
>>> Facebook:
>>> corey.coo...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:37 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: No preorders for the 5S, was|: Preordering an iphone 5S.
>>>
>>> There will be no preordering of the 5S, only the 5C can be preordered.
>>> Anybody who wants a 5S on Friday in a week will have to stand in line.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:23 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Preordering an iphone 5S.
>>>
>>> I've not tried it that way. I used my phone carrier to place the order.
>>>
>>> On 9/10/13, Jared  wrote:


 It sounds like the iPhone 5S will be available for preorder on 9/13. Am
 I
 correct in assuming the order process is accessible, and all I need to
 do
 is go to store.apple.com to order? Secondly when they say 9/13 what time
 eastern does the preorder usually open?

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Chris;

I have the 5 with Verizon and, i'm staying put also.

Now that I look back on it I should have stayed with the 4.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before the 
> next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I don't see 
> anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I don't see this as 
> a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on anyone who does choose to 
> upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, and I personally don't see a 
> reason to spend the money to get a 5S.
> 
> On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>> You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
>> were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
>> from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tess" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
>> Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C
>> 
>> 
>>> I am torn myself.
>>> I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
>>> it is
>>> really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or so
>>> and see if something else comes afloat.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Rick Alfaro
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C
>>> 
>>> Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
>>> that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
>>> carrier of
>>> choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
>>> improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one and
>>> would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
>>> going
>>> for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
>>> there's
>>> no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
>>> thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
>>> lines at
>>> the retail stores.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Raul A. Gallegos
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>>> 
>>> Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
>>> year
>>> and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. Not
>>> only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
>>> between
>>> 4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
>>> this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better camera.
>>> The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper
>>> Twitter
>>> and Facebook user ID: rau47
>>> 
>>> On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
 the 5c
>>> has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
>>> hand, has several upgrades. The upgrades that caught my attention are: 64
>>> bit a7 processor, two led flash, wide camera aperture, a more precise
>>> motion
>>> tracking system, and fingerprint unlocking. The first three will provide
>>> significantly improved OCR, object recognition, barcode scanning, and
>>> colour
>>> recognition. The fourth will provide more accurate motion tracking for
>>> things like distance measurement and certain types of app / Siri
>>> activation.
>>> The fifth will provide much better, and yet more convenient security.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 11/09/2013, at 7:52, "Karen Poulakos" 
 wrote:
 
> I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but haven't
>>> seen any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference
>>> between
>>> the two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to the 5, with
>>> the hopes that one would be offered at a less expensive price.  Someone
>>> mentioned the 5 will

Re: Apple Accessibility about screen curtain and battery, was: battery draining

[Chris Smart]

Mike, I'm likely to believe people who have tested this by having the 
phone do a specific task for as long as it takes to run the battery 
down, recharge, turn off screen curtain, run the exact same test again.


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Re: iTunesU, online education

[Chris Smart]

hard to know what to suggest, without knowing what sort of education 
you're looking for!

At 10:50 AM 9/11/2013, you wrote:

Hi,

did anyone ever participate in free online courses like the ones offered by
udacity? I created an account there, signed up and found out that I couldn't
take the course properly. There are short videos you have to watch.
Afterwards, you have to answer some questions. After having answered the
first question, I wasn't able to go back to the next video using jaws.

So I checked out iTunesU which unfortunately doesn't seem to offer this kind
of interactive education with a combination of videos and questions.

Can anyone recommend a good app for the iPhone or alternatively an
accessible MOOC like udacity to gain some knowledge?

Best regards and thanks for your help,

Alexandra

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Journaling Food App

[CD]

I'm going to be working with a nutritionist. Is there an accessible app out
there where I can journal my food intake daily?  Thanks!

 

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Re: Accessible News App

[Karin Cox]

I use Hourly News. It is easy to use. You can choose what sources you want to 
hear. You actually hear the reporters speaking as opposed to having VoiceOver 
read articles. It was recommended by AppleVis.
Karin

On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Lea Langley  wrote:

> Hi all, and thanks for the help,
> Can anyone recommend a good easy-to-use and accessible news app?
> GOD Bless,
> Wren
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> 
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Re: IOS7?

[Chris Smart]

Have you tried typing
ios 7
into google?
It's amazing what comes up! *grin*
At 10:33 AM 9/11/2013, you wrote:

Hi,
I didn't get to listen to the presentation about the new phones, but 
I'm interested to know about the new operating system. Is there 
anywhere I can go to hear more about the details of I OS7?

Thanks,
Sandy.

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Donnie Harris]

Sieghard,
I wonder if there is going to be a way to rescan your finger print in case 
of a finger injury, like you just mentioned here.
I do mechanic work all of the time and always have cuts, scrapes etc...
Maybe they will allow a second finger to be scanned just in case of an 
injury like this, it could kind of like the imfamous security question on a 
secured website.
Just wondering, hopfully they will give some thought to an accident like 
this.
I realize there would have to be a password involved or else a thief could 
rescan it for their finger print.
Just my 2 cents!
Donnie Harris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C


: Hi Victor,
:
: According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
: resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this 
may
: avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
: may effect it. Here is some information I just found:
:
: The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
: Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
: them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
: through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
: Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
: ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe.
:
: First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints 
on
: the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
: the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
: information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
: that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans 
if
: they crack the chip.
:
: Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
: course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
: before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they 
reboot
: their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days. 
In
: other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
: iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
: between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
: application to steal your fingerprint data.
:
: Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
: perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
: fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
: sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
: users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.
:
:
: Regards,
: Sieghard
:
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: Of Victor Gouveia
: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
: To: viphone@googlegroups.com
: Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
:
: The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
: fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
: blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
: reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers 
which
: may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
:
: Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
: afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
: this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting 
can
: be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you 
turn
: off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Mike Reiser]

I certainly will be upgrading to the five S.  I was considering switching to 
android, but I don't trust Google when it comes to universal design. Plus the 
ecosystem is just too fragmented. While fragmentation is a bit of a problem on 
iOS, it's not nearly as bad. I have a for S, and really want to take advantage 
of the fingerprint reader. Plus my screen is misinterpreting taps to mean two 
figner double taps. I'm pretty much broke at this point, so won't be upgrading 
until the first of next month when I get my check, but I definitely plan to do 
it then.

Mike

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Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:30 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:

> The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to
> the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is
> also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they
> specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple
> camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of
> pixels.
> 
> On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 4S and
>> feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC here in North
>> America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple puts a NFC chip in
>> the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of a boost although I also
>> feel there are still security volnerabilities which need to be addressed
>> before I’d trust it completely.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how then
>> said
>> feature or technological advance is played down by the media. Then within a
>> year or so Android and others quietly come out with their version of same
>> feature/technology. I think SIRI was a good example for this and I would be
>> very surprised if we didn’t see high-end Android phones suddenly having
>> fingerprint sensors very soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me to
>> upgrade, Touch ID is probably at the top of the list for me this time along
>> with the faster performance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I believe the iPhone 5C and 5S will be extremely successful for Apple once
>> again just as the 5 was which nobody really thought. With the 4S Apple put
>> out a true world phone and I feel that this is more true for the 5C and 5S
>> again as it was for the iPhone 5 last year. Furthermore, there are a lot of
>> iPhone 4 and 4S and even some 3GS users out there who I think will most
>> definitely upgrade. These people especially if they come from the 3GS or 4
>> will be extremely happy with how fast the iPhone will be and with the
>> quality of the pictures.
>> 
>> The Nokia Lumia 1020 may have a 41 Megapixel camera and by a few might be
>> touted as the gold standard in camera phones, but it would be interesting
>> to
>> read an objective review and comparison of the 2 in terms of picture
>> quality
>> and camera features.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After everything is said and done I will most likely upgrade although it is
>> a bit disappointing that I will have to wait for the initial in-store
>> release to order my shiny new 5S since Apple is not offering 5S preorders
>> and I live in a very small and remote community where the closest Apple
>> Store is in Vancouver which by road is a 12-hour drive or a 1.5 hour flight
>> and I don’t want it bad enough to fly to Vancouver to stand in line on
>> Friday morning next week!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The iPhone 5s now has jitter protection, Apple specifically mentions this
>> on
>> its site, saying that it helps people with unsteady hands when taking
>> pictures. The bunch of camera features taken together really sound like
>> they
>> could represent an improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here's my blog post talking about the new phones and features as well as my
>> thoughts on whether I'll upgrade.
>> 
>> http://mosen.org/index.php/will-i-upgrade-to-iphone-5s-im-undecided/
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> 
>> Mosen Consulting
>> 
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> 
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/09/2013, at 11:02 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So long as one uses good technique for capturing the image, I expect OCR
>> recognition to significantly improve for two reasons: the additional led
>> will give better lighting for the camera, and the wide-angle aperture will
>> give greater area coverage at the same distance. The A7 64 bit processor
>> will increase OCR processing speed.
>> 
>> All that said, it will still be necessary that one has a steady and still
>> hand when taking the picture, and that the page be a

Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Michael Capelle]

I agree here, also, anyone can say an app is innaccessible, and get his/her 
money back.  Therefore, apple does have a right to refuse a refund.


-Original Message- 
From: Lisa belville

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

Well, I hate to say it, but I don't find this response patronizing.  I
disagree with the policy, but I don't find these responses unprofessional.
This person is probably someone on the main lines of their customer service
who is only authorized to tell you what they were taught in training.

A better customer service approach would have been for them to indicate that
they had reviewed your purchasing records and were going to kick the request
up to a supervisor.  Still, this doesn't render their responses patronizing
or unsympathetic.

I'm sure lots of people request refunds for all kinds of reasons, not that
an inaccessible app we can't use at all through no fault of our own isn't a
valid reason.  I don't purchase an app unless I see positive reviews of it
up on Applevis.com or this list simply because I don't want to waste money
and deal with this type of frustration.

I think something like a targeted campaign stating our concerns and why The
Apple Store should adopt a policy wherein we should be entitled to refunds
in situations where we purchase inaccessible apps is going to get a better
result.

Lisa


There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a
paycheck!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


Yes, below are three quotes from the messages that I have exchanged about
this, you'll see very clearly what they have to say about it…

--Apple iTunes App Store Support responses--

"I appreciate your feedback and I understand your frustration.

Every app gets reviewed by Apple, but you also have as user the chance to
leave your own opinion about the products offered on the App Store, writing
a review to the mentioned app.

You can also submit your feedback about the accessibility feature of apps
and how this should be clearly indicated in the app description.
I encourage you therefore to use the iTunes Feedback page to submit your
comments:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html.";

"We have checked this a second time again. We do understand that it is
frustrating to have paid for an application that you won't be able to use,
but I need to remind you that all sales on the iTunes Store are final.

I just want also to remind you that the App Store is just a commercial
platform, we do not create most of the apps that are sold on the Store so we
are unable to guarantee their voice over compatibility. You may wish to
contact the developer prior to purchasing an app in the future to find out
if they have this feature."

--end--

As you can see, they are very clearly not budging.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 11 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Lisa belville  wrote:

Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple 
people were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the 
frustration of not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a 
clueless rep makes this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a 
difference between politely/patiently conveying a policy and being 
patronizing.  Obviously, you can take out any names in this letter, but it 
would be good to see an example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be 
this particular rep's issue and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm 
referring to the patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy 
itself.


Lisa



There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a 
paycheck!

Lisa Belville
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- Original Message - From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 

To: ; ; "The 
Accessible Phones Discussion List" 

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users, 
and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple 
yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible… 
(accessibil...@apple.com).


For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and 
application of methods in interacting with all of its product range. 
Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the 
defacto standard and is widely acknowledg