Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- 
From: Ein Lee

Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver users.
The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 4
additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster with
this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable for
us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Phil Vlasak

Hi Folks,
I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email to 
make it easier for people to decide.

According to their order page,
RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
There is a $15 shipping charge added.
Phil

- Original Message - 
From: Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users



Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- 
From: Ein Lee

Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver 
users.

The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 
4

additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster 
with

this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable 
for

us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: How to get photos off your phone using iTunes

2014-02-13 Thread Kathy Szinnyey
Hi, again. Well, it turns out my home computer and my work computer don't see
my iphone at all; I use both XP and Windows 7, and I tell my iPhone to
trust the computers. I have like 900 photos on my phone, so  it would
be nice if I could get rid of all  of them. I've gone to photos but
can't get to the individual photos because they're listed by years. I
have tried to go to Moments, as someone on some forum suggested,
select the photos, but delete shows up but is grayed out. Go figure.
This is totally annoying. If someone wants to contact me offlist, feel
free. Every solution that is supposed to work just isn't. I've tried
to see if there's setting on the phone or computer I need to change
but can't figure out what it might be. As always, your help is truly
appreciated.


On 2/12/14, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can remove them from the phone go to photos select the photo then double
 tap delete.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 12, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi. I have not had any luck doing that. When I use Windows Explorer to get
 to my iPhone, it might see the iPhone but will not show any folders or
 will put in a bunch of letters and numbers and I don't know what that
 means. Smile.

 You are neither special nor important. Severus Snape sent with the help of
 my good pal Siri

 On Feb 12, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

 Hi,

 You can find your iPhone under computer as you would do any other
 drive. If you navigate through the folders that you are shown when you
 open your iPhone, you will eventually find all of your photos. If you
 control + a to select all, you can just hit delete to get rid of them.
 Problem solved.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

 On 2/12/14, Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a bit lengthy, but if you have the patience and know-how, I'd
 love a response!

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 smugly sent from my iPhone

 you are neither special nor important. Severus Snape/The Buddha

 Okay, I don't know what it is with me, but my brain gets scrambled
 whenever I try to sync stuff. I have a bunch of photos that somehow
 landed on my iPhone and I want them all gone. And I want to be sure I
 have everything backed up or my husband will be very sad if I lose his
 photos. So I think I have backed up everything, and I think everything
 is encrypted, so I think I'm okay there. I was told by an Apple rep
 that the way to get rid of my photos is to go to my photos tab which I
 think I finally found, uncheck phots and click sync, and that's all
 there was supposed to be to it. Well, first I couldn't quite find the
 Phtos tab, so that was interesting. Then I think while going through
 the iTunes 11 tabs I checked the radio button for info and I then
 think I found the photos tab and clicked on that. Then I came to this
 drop-down box under photos which I'm not sure I really got into. But
 somewhere I did uncheck something in photos and then found the sync
 button. Some of my photos went away, but I still have half of them
 left on my phone. I don't have automatic sync turned on because I only
 have a 16 gig device. I'm using the most recent updates of JAWS and
 IOS, and I have an iPhone 4s. I have listened to Jonathan Mosen's
 Itunes 11 turoiral and have Ios 7 withou the Eye, but I'm still
 flummuxed. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be most grateful. Someone else
 suggested I go to photos, then moments, and select the photos I want
 to delete; there is a delete button but VoiceOver says unavailable. If
 only I could magically turn my iphone into a plain ole hard drive and
 just cut the files I don't want! Sigh!

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Re: SIRI Not Completing Phone Calls

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Caron
Hi List,

Using my 5 S I also often ask Siri to make a call and it acts as though 
it is working but the call is not connected.  I usually just repeat the request 
and normally  it goes through the second time.

I only realize this is happening when I listen for a extended time and no 
calling sounds happen, this despite the fact that Siri  just said Calling 
Molly or whoever it was I asked for.

This seems to happen every second or third time I make a call with Siri. 

Eric Caron 
On Feb 11, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

 Ditto here as well.  I've foundasiri to be avery unreliable. 
 
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: SIRI Not Completing Phone Calls
 
 Hi Bill and all,
 
 I also have this same problem with Siri  not wanting to complete a call. For
 example I will ask siri to call mom's mobile and  then a listing of a whole
 bunch of stuff shows up on the screen and she wants me to listen.
 
 So I try again and ask  siri to call mom's mobile.And again the call wasn't
 completed . Then siri asks me if I want her to remember that mom is my
 mother. And I said yes.
 
 So I tried asking siri to call mom's mobile again tonight and the call went
 through with no problems. So Bill when for example if your going to call
 your mom ask siri if she will remember that your mom is your mother and see
 what happens the next time you call your mom. Take care.
 
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I agree, but I also caution depending too much on a price listed in an 
email message. You may be able to get a better price from a different 
reseller, products go on sale, prices just change over time and so on. I 
would never make a buying decision based solely on a price contained in 
an email message, but I agree it's a nice piece of information to have 
to understand what price ballpark something is in.


On 02/13/2014 06:00 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Folks,
I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the
email to make it easier for people to decide.
According to their order page,
RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
There is a $15 shipping charge added.
Phil

- Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users



Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- From: Ein Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver
users.
The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the
size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there
are 4
additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it
like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy,
control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster
with
this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made
usable for
us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand,
and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into
our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my
iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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RE: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Alex Stone
If they've got any sense, they won't have any other resellers.
Cheers
Alex

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 13 February 2014 12:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

I agree, but I also caution depending too much on a price listed in an email
message. You may be able to get a better price from a different reseller,
products go on sale, prices just change over time and so on. I would never
make a buying decision based solely on a price contained in an email
message, but I agree it's a nice piece of information to have to understand
what price ballpark something is in.

On 02/13/2014 06:00 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the 
 email to make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil

 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


 Hi Folks:

 For your possible interest:

 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

 Hi everyone,

 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS 
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use 
 their smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make 
 people know about the availability of this product from a land far away.

 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver 
 users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the 
 size of a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with 
 big keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there 
 are 4 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it 
 like a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and 
 easy, control music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO 
 users to use a greater number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver 
 users without RiVO. RiVO supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. 
 Android TalkBack is another innovative technology from Google, and 
 Android version of RiVO is also available.

 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo 
 and http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient 
 accessory to help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of 
 your smart devices and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use 
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely 
 faster with this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the 
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like 
 those who can see.
 - We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made 
 usable for us!
 - I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
 - I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and 
 Android platforms.
 - RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with 
 touchpad interface.
 - We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one 
 hand, and has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access 
 than he had ever had before to a desktop or iOS device.
 - RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make 
 the iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device 
 into our lives.
 - This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my 
 iPhone.
 My right arm is feeling better already.

 Thanks and best wishes,

 Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
 RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
 Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread RobH.
Some interesting bits on this, might suit some,  but $129 is pretty steep by 
any standards.
It's a bit retro in reducing the touch screen devices back to fixed key 
tapping like the nokia days, and a ton to learn; but efficient when you get 
it.
Some of the older key tappers might like it more than the touch screen 
methods,  but a question of if they want to pay that much for it.

Thanks for the tip, hope any buyer comes back with further real life 
experience feedback how they got on.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- 
From: Ein Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver users.
The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 4
additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster with
this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable for
us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Turner
Yes, this is very good news.
One note about setting up the board.
I was a bit confused when I first hit the clear board button because the
pieces were still in their normal starting positions.
Then, I double tapped on one and the board cleared.
You can then double tap on the piece of your choice that is either above or
below the board and then double tap the square where you want to place it.

Very slick.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

Hello List Members,

A new upgraded version of Chess-wise can be found by searching for
Chess-wise 3. This week, the in-app purchase price is only $1.99. Next week
it goes up to $3.99.

This upgrade fixes some issues that appeared when IOS 7 came out, and
provides other enhancements the developer believes justifies the charge.

I like the ability this app has for setting up positions on the board and
playing from those positions. Although Shredder has this ability, it doesn't
work with VoiceOver, so that feature's no good to us.

Thanks,
Jeffrey 

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Re: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

2014-02-13 Thread Mich
Hi all. just to let those of us who are in Canada know who are looking for 
this app it doesn't seem to be in the canadion app stor. I kind of wish that 
people would indicate if a app is just for the us or not when telling people 
about it since not all apps are in every app stor in the world. just sayin. 
from Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store



Yes, this is very good news.
One note about setting up the board.
I was a bit confused when I first hit the clear board button because the
pieces were still in their normal starting positions.
Then, I double tapped on one and the board cleared.
You can then double tap on the piece of your choice that is either above 
or

below the board and then double tap the square where you want to place it.

Very slick.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

Hello List Members,

A new upgraded version of Chess-wise can be found by searching for
Chess-wise 3. This week, the in-app purchase price is only $1.99. Next 
week

it goes up to $3.99.

This upgrade fixes some issues that appeared when IOS 7 came out, and
provides other enhancements the developer believes justifies the charge.

I like the ability this app has for setting up positions on the board and
playing from those positions. Although Shredder has this ability, it 
doesn't

work with VoiceOver, so that feature's no good to us.

Thanks,
Jeffrey

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Lelia
That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:
 
 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email to 
 make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil
 
 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy 
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 For your possible interest:
 
 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
 smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
 about the availability of this product from a land far away.
 
 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
 a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 4
 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.
 
 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
 a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
 music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
 number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
 supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
 innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
 available.
 
 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
 http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
 help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
 and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.
 
 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster with
 this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
 who can see.
 - We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable for
 us!
 - I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
 - I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
 Android platforms.
 - RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
 interface.
 - We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
 has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
 had before to a desktop or iOS device.
 - RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
 iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
 lives.
 - This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
 My right arm is feeling better already.
 
 Thanks and best wishes,
 
 Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
 RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
 Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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RE: iCloud Control Panel

2014-02-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Edward,

You may find a couple of hours a lot of time to spend on the iCloud Control
Panel. There really isn't a lot in there. After you install it you sign in
with your Apple ID and password.
You can then tab through the options, they are all read as buttons or links:
Contacts, Calendars and tasks with Outlook button: can read as checked or,
if unchecked Jaws won't say anything
Bookmarks with Internet Explorer button: can read as checked or, if
unchecked Jaws won't say anything
Tab once and after Bookmarks you have an option button which, if you have
more than one browser installed, let's you check them.
Photos button: same as above, either check it or uncheck it. If checked
Photostream is active on the computer and any photos you take on the iPhone
and which, if you turn Photostream on on the iPhone (in Settings, iCloud)
will download to the iCloud, then they are pushed down to a folder you
specify on your computer. By default I think it is My Pictures, Photostream
There is another Options button after Photos where you can specify the
location of your Photostream folder.
In the Photostream options Jaws reads 2 unlabelled buttons as just Button,
but you can use the Jaws cursor to read everything and click on stuff.
There is also a Change button and if you route Jaws to PC and do a say
line it will read you the location of the Photostream folder, Change of
course lets you browse to a different location/folder.
Lastly you have a link to Create an iCloud email address and if you use
the Jaws cursor it will read Create an iCloud email address to use iCloud
with Outlook. 
If you completely use the Jaws cursor that is actually at the top of the
screen above your Contacts, Calendars and Tasks button. I'm not exactly
sure what benefit there is to having an iCloud email, I think if you have a
mail account set up on your PC in Outlook and have the same account set up
on your iPhone you can still sync Contacts and Calendars although I don't
think it will actually sync your email. I can't really talk from experience
here because I use an Outlook.com email address and setting it up in Outlook
and on the iPhone is very easy and all mail, contacts, calendars are kept
synced anyways since Outlook.com already is Microsoft's cloud email service.
After the link to create an iCloud email address is a Manage button. If
you route Jaws to PC and then go up a line it will tell you how much of your
5 GB iCloud storage you are using and you can of course Manage your
storage or buy more.
The last 4 items are a checkbox and here you can choose to Show iCloud
Status in System Tray, then there is a Help link and lastly a Account
Details button and a Close button. 
The Account Details refers to your Apple ID.

That's it, really only 3 things you can do, Sync your Contacts, Calendars
and Tasks with Outlook, Sync your Bookmarks and set the options for
Photostream. 


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edward Przybylek
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iCloud Control Panel

Hi Chris,

Thanks for getting back to me.  I guess I know what I'll be doing for a
couple hours tomorrow.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iCloud Control Panel

Yes it is reasonably accessible.

Regards Chris

On 12/02/2014 20:46, Edward Przybylek wrote:
 Hi all,

 Is the iCloud control panel reasonably accessible?  I'd rather not spend a
 lot of time installing it and trying to use it only to find out it's not
 worth the time and effort.  Any advice is greatly appreciated.

 Take care,
 Ed Przybylek



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RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

2014-02-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Mich,

Keep in mind that if you are in another country you may not necessarily know
whether an app is in another country's app store unless you do some major
Googling or you change to another countries app store. But where do you
stop, can't expect for somebody from the States to change to the Canadian
store, the Australian Store and the British Store, well, what then about
theGerman store, the French Store and all the other ones around the world?
Just thought I point that out.

Regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

Hi all. just to let those of us who are in Canada know who are looking for
this app it doesn't seem to be in the canadion app stor. I kind of wish that
people would indicate if a app is just for the us or not when telling people
about it since not all apps are in every app stor in the world. just sayin. 
from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store


 Yes, this is very good news.
 One note about setting up the board.
 I was a bit confused when I first hit the clear board button because 
 the pieces were still in their normal starting positions.
 Then, I double tapped on one and the board cleared.
 You can then double tap on the piece of your choice that is either 
 above or below the board and then double tap the square where you want 
 to place it.

 Very slick.

 Richard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jeffrey Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:33 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

 Hello List Members,

 A new upgraded version of Chess-wise can be found by searching for 
 Chess-wise 3. This week, the in-app purchase price is only $1.99. Next 
 week it goes up to $3.99.

 This upgrade fixes some issues that appeared when IOS 7 came out, and 
 provides other enhancements the developer believes justifies the charge.

 I like the ability this app has for setting up positions on the board 
 and playing from those positions. Although Shredder has this ability, 
 it doesn't work with VoiceOver, so that feature's no good to us.

 Thanks,
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RE: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

2014-02-13 Thread Don and Cher Bosch
Then perhaps I'm not performing the correct gesture to inform VO that the 
camera mode is selected. Sometimes I get that little sound like you're moving 
an icon and sometimes not- but can't establish a pattern either way. Is it 
correct that a single tap is supposed to trigger the adjustable switch?

 

Cher

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

 

No, it is a vertical flick to change the options in camera mode. VO says 
selector which means use a vertical flick to adjust. If focus is moving to 
another item, a vertical flick is not being used. It does not matter what you 
believe you are doing with your flick. The only thing that matters is what VO 
detects. If your vertical flick is not changing camera mode, activate the 
gesture training with a four-finger double-tap and practice the gesture(s) that 
do not seem to work consistently until they work properly 100% of the time.

 

I like the new selector. The camera now has four modes. The only mode I have 
not yet been able to figure out is square mode. I will probably ask a sighted 
person about it.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 13 Feb 2014, at 6:55, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

Actually in this location, VO calls it a swipe also- and on the couple of 
instances when I have been able to change the selection, it seems like it was 
more of a long, slow swipe which finally triggered it. When I flick after 
touching the screen to select the camera mode option, the focus almost 
invariably just moves to the next or previous item on the screen instead of 
changing the value- this is why I'm so totally perplexed.

 

Cher

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

 

Actually Alex, the area being discussed is a spot that requires a flick up or 
down to adjust the value in the camera app to change the mode from photos, to 
video, etc.

It is a up and down flick, which some people also call a swipe, but it is more 
accurately described as a flick because you don't really want to drag your 
finger on the screen, just hit it with a glancing blow, as it were.

 

 

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the rat to die. - Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies, P. 134

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

Same here. As I said in my last message in this thread, it sounds like you are 
trying to move from page to page. If so, you must use three fingers.


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On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:






I've always thought of a swipe and a flick as interchangeable. I believe the 
Apple documentation also uses these two terms to refer to the same gesture.

On 02/11/2014 06:21 PM, Don and Cher Bosch wrote:




I didn't know about these practice screen shortcuts- thanks. Is a swipe
with one finger the same as a flick?

Cher

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alex Hall
*Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

I assume you mean the one-finger flick, to move from item to item?
First, don't make the move too big - a half inch to an inch is enough, I
find. Second, don't put your finger down and then flick or swipe, as
that usually leads to Voiceover thinking you are touching rather than
trying to perform a command. Instead, be making the flick gesture as
your finger hits the screen, so that the flick or swipe is interpreted
as what you intended from the start and there is less room for
ambiguity. It sounds harder than it is, I promise. Finally, make use of
Voiceover's practice mode (double tap four fingers, then do that again
or do a two-finger scrub to exit this mode).


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Alex

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On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Don and Cher Bosch
oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:



It sometimes works, sometimes not. Would appreciate descriptions of how
others make it work more consistently. Thanks.

Cher

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RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

2014-02-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi again, Mich,

I just did a search for Chess-Wise 3 in the App Store using the App Store
app on my iPhone and found it fine in the Canadian app store.
After I double tapped on Search I had 10 results. The first 3 are:

Chess-Wise Free, Marcel Nijman
Chess-Wise Online, Marcel Nijman
Chess-Wise 3, Marcel Nijman

Please note that the first result says Free as in not paid, not 3 as in
the number 3. It almost sounds the same with Voiceover, but when I went to
the first app and read the description it said that this app was replaced by
Chess-Wise 3 and in any case it had not been updated since December 2011,
over 2 years.
I then went to the third search result and it is the correct Chess-Wise 3
people posted about and which was updated a week ago. Here is the direct
link:

Chess-wise 3 by Marcel Nijman
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/chess-wise-3/id788594027?mt=8


Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:siegh...@live.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

Hi Mich,

Keep in mind that if you are in another country you may not necessarily know
whether an app is in another country's app store unless you do some major
Googling or you change to another countries app store. But where do you
stop, can't expect for somebody from the States to change to the Canadian
store, the Australian Store and the British Store, well, what then about
theGerman store, the French Store and all the other ones around the world?
Just thought I point that out.

Regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

Hi all. just to let those of us who are in Canada know who are looking for
this app it doesn't seem to be in the canadion app stor. I kind of wish that
people would indicate if a app is just for the us or not when telling people
about it since not all apps are in every app stor in the world. just sayin. 
from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store


 Yes, this is very good news.
 One note about setting up the board.
 I was a bit confused when I first hit the clear board button because 
 the pieces were still in their normal starting positions.
 Then, I double tapped on one and the board cleared.
 You can then double tap on the piece of your choice that is either 
 above or below the board and then double tap the square where you want 
 to place it.

 Very slick.

 Richard


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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jeffrey Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:33 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

 Hello List Members,

 A new upgraded version of Chess-wise can be found by searching for 
 Chess-wise 3. This week, the in-app purchase price is only $1.99. Next 
 week it goes up to $3.99.

 This upgrade fixes some issues that appeared when IOS 7 came out, and 
 provides other enhancements the developer believes justifies the charge.

 I like the ability this app has for setting up positions on the board 
 and playing from those positions. Although Shredder has this ability, 
 it doesn't work with VoiceOver, so that feature's no good to us.

 Thanks,
 Jeffrey

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Rick Alfaro
I certainly wish this product luck as it's always good to have choices. 
I have to say however that I just read through the manual and it made my 
head hurt. (lol) Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff, but I 
see a huge learning curve with this. As I said though, it's always great 
to have options and it might suit others just fine. I agree that the 
price seems pretty high. I'll pass for now but would love to hear others 
impressions if and when they buy one.




Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 2/13/2014 7:33 AM, RobH. wrote:

Some interesting bits on this, might suit some,  but $129 is pretty steep by
any standards.
It's a bit retro in reducing the touch screen devices back to fixed key
tapping like the nokia days, and a ton to learn; but efficient when you get
it.
Some of the older key tappers might like it more than the touch screen
methods,  but a question of if they want to pay that much for it.

Thanks for the tip, hope any buyer comes back with further real life
experience feedback how they got on.

RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message-
From: Ein Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver users.
The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 4
additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster with
this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable for
us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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RE: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Neal Ewers
Thanks for this, I also don't understand how this remote would do the
following. Quoted from the email below.

These features enable RiVO users to use a greater number of apps every day
compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO.

Either an app is accessible or it is not. So how would a remote make this
any different? I'm not meaning to slam the developer, but if one makes a
statement such as this, one should give examples.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lelia
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:
 
 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email
to make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil
 
 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy 
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 For your possible interest:
 
 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS 
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use 
 their smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make 
 people know about the availability of this product from a land far away.
 
 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver
users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the 
 size of a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big
keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there 
 are 4 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.
 
 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it 
 like a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and 
 easy, control music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO 
 users to use a greater number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver 
 users without RiVO. RiVO supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. 
 Android TalkBack is another innovative technology from Google, and 
 Android version of RiVO is also available.
 
 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo 
 and http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient 
 accessory to help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of 
 your smart devices and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.
 
 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use 
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely 
 faster with this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the 
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like 
 those who can see.
 - We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made 
 usable for us!
 - I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
 - I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and 
 Android platforms.
 - RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with 
 touchpad interface.
 - We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one 
 hand, and has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access 
 than he had ever had before to a desktop or iOS device.
 - RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make 
 the iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device 
 into our lives.
 - This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my
iPhone.
 My right arm is feeling better already.
 
 Thanks and best wishes,
 
 Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
 RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
 Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

2014-02-13 Thread Alex Hall
Tapping once just sets Voiceover's focus. Flicking left or right to an item 
will do exactly the same. So, whether you though it directly or flick to it, as 
soon as Voiceover says something is adjustable, you can flick up or down with 
one finger to adjust it.

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 On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Don and Cher Bosch 
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Then perhaps I'm not performing the correct gesture to inform VO that the 
 camera mode is selected. Sometimes I get that little sound like you're moving 
 an icon and sometimes not- but can't establish a pattern either way. Is it 
 correct that a single tap is supposed to trigger the adjustable switch?
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 David Chittenden
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 No, it is a vertical flick to change the options in camera mode. VO says 
 selector which means use a vertical flick to adjust. If focus is moving to 
 another item, a vertical flick is not being used. It does not matter what you 
 believe you are doing with your flick. The only thing that matters is what VO 
 detects. If your vertical flick is not changing camera mode, activate the 
 gesture training with a four-finger double-tap and practice the gesture(s) 
 that do not seem to work consistently until they work properly 100% of the 
 time.
  
 I like the new selector. The camera now has four modes. The only mode I have 
 not yet been able to figure out is square mode. I will probably ask a sighted 
 person about it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Feb 2014, at 6:55, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Actually in this location, VO calls it a swipe also- and on the couple of 
 instances when I have been able to change the selection, it seems like it was 
 more of a long, slow swipe which finally triggered it. When I flick after 
 touching the screen to select the camera mode option, the focus almost 
 invariably just moves to the next or previous item on the screen instead of 
 changing the value- this is why I'm so totally perplexed.
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:20 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 Actually Alex, the area being discussed is a spot that requires a flick up or 
 down to adjust the value in the camera app to change the mode from photos, to 
 video, etc.
 It is a up and down flick, which some people also call a swipe, but it is 
 more accurately described as a flick because you don't really want to drag 
 your finger on the screen, just hit it with a glancing blow, as it were.
  
  
 ... Not forgiving someone is like drinking rat poison, and then waiting for 
 the rat to die. - Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies, P. 134
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same here. As I said in my last message in this thread, it sounds like you 
 are trying to move from page to page. If so, you must use three fingers.
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
  
  
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I've always thought of a swipe and a flick as interchangeable. I believe the 
 Apple documentation also uses these two terms to refer to the same gesture.
 
 On 02/11/2014 06:21 PM, Don and Cher Bosch wrote:
 
 
 I didn't know about these practice screen shortcuts- thanks. Is a swipe
 with one finger the same as a flick?
 
 Cher
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Alex Hall
 *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
 
 I assume you mean the one-finger flick, to move from item to item?
 First, don't make the move too big - a half inch to an inch is enough, I
 find. Second, don't put your finger down and then flick or swipe, as
 that usually leads to Voiceover thinking you are touching rather than
 trying to perform a command. Instead, be making the flick gesture as
 your finger hits the screen, so that the flick or swipe is interpreted
 as what you intended from the start and there is less room for
 ambiguity. It sounds harder than it is, I promise. Finally, make use of
 Voiceover's practice mode (double tap four fingers, then do that again
 or do a two-finger scrub to exit this mode).
 
 
 --
 
 Have a great day,
 
 Alex
 
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Don and Cher Bosch
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 
 It sometimes works, sometimes 

Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Hi All,

I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do with my 
question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad Air.  I often 
send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP computer how to put 
all the names into a group and give that group a name.  In this case, it's a 
private joke list.  Thus the name I just type in to the BCC field is Joke 
Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the BCC field of the email program all 
the names and addresses of my joke friends automatically gets inserted 
automatically.

Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?  

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

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Re: differences

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Hi Robby,

I got my case at the ATT Store for $99.  We also found a couple of other like 
cases at Walmart.  I was surprised in that the ATT price seemed to be about 
equal with those prices at Walmart.  Please note that the cases are made for a 
spisific
 iPad.
Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Robbie Miller millerrob...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hi Alan, 
 Where can I find this case?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Robbie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:44 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: differences
 
 Chris, the screen on the air is about what you would find on a netbook
 computer.
 
 You can even buy a case for it that lets you slide the iPad Air into a
 holder and comes with a QWERTY keyboard.  The air delivers a little over 10
 hours battery life.  The builtin keyboard battery which is seperate from the
 iPad battery delivers 2 weeks of typing and I get a lot of email before
 needing a charge.  It takes 3 hours to fully recharge the keyboard.
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
 On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know the screen is somewhat bigger on the mini versus the phone but is
 smaller than the regular iPad now iPad Air. Have you ever looked into this?
 This is why I got a mini. I didn't need the larger screen of the air but at
 the same time wanted a smaller iPad so the mini it was.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 12/02/2014 20:49, SSEric wrote:
 I actually believe the larger screen to be a negative for those of us who
 cannot benefit from the screen itself. We are hampered by having to use a
 cane or dog, so we are one-handed to start.
 
 The most obvious difference would be navigation apps. That is mitigated
 to some degree if you have cellular data.
 
 Since I use a telephone very little, but data a whole lot, the perfect
 device for me would be a Touch with cellular data. Unfortunately, Apple does
 not see it my way.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 this is a an example.
 If someone ask you. Someone who knows that with a iPad is no way to make
 phone calls, and knows the obvious differences between iPhones and iPads.
 ask you, what are the differences between iPhone, and iPad, related with
 accessibility, apps that can be use in each device, and functionality?
 Please, don't answer me that with the iPad is no way to make phone calls,
 and like the iPad is bigger than the iPhone. I am looking differences not
 looking the obvious. I am looking something beyond the basic.
 Thanks in advance.
 Pablo
 
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Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

2014-02-13 Thread David Chittenden
No, no tap is necessary. When you moveVO Focus on to the selector, it is 
activated. Just use single finger vertical Flicks to change the selector.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Feb 2014, at 5:25, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Then perhaps I'm not performing the correct gesture to inform VO that the 
 camera mode is selected. Sometimes I get that little sound like you're moving 
 an icon and sometimes not- but can't establish a pattern either way. Is it 
 correct that a single tap is supposed to trigger the adjustable switch?
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 David Chittenden
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 No, it is a vertical flick to change the options in camera mode. VO says 
 selector which means use a vertical flick to adjust. If focus is moving to 
 another item, a vertical flick is not being used. It does not matter what you 
 believe you are doing with your flick. The only thing that matters is what VO 
 detects. If your vertical flick is not changing camera mode, activate the 
 gesture training with a four-finger double-tap and practice the gesture(s) 
 that do not seem to work consistently until they work properly 100% of the 
 time.
  
 I like the new selector. The camera now has four modes. The only mode I have 
 not yet been able to figure out is square mode. I will probably ask a sighted 
 person about it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Feb 2014, at 6:55, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Actually in this location, VO calls it a swipe also- and on the couple of 
 instances when I have been able to change the selection, it seems like it was 
 more of a long, slow swipe which finally triggered it. When I flick after 
 touching the screen to select the camera mode option, the focus almost 
 invariably just moves to the next or previous item on the screen instead of 
 changing the value- this is why I'm so totally perplexed.
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:20 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 Actually Alex, the area being discussed is a spot that requires a flick up or 
 down to adjust the value in the camera app to change the mode from photos, to 
 video, etc.
 It is a up and down flick, which some people also call a swipe, but it is 
 more accurately described as a flick because you don't really want to drag 
 your finger on the screen, just hit it with a glancing blow, as it were.
  
  
 ... Not forgiving someone is like drinking rat poison, and then waiting for 
 the rat to die. - Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies, P. 134
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same here. As I said in my last message in this thread, it sounds like you 
 are trying to move from page to page. If so, you must use three fingers.
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
  
  
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I've always thought of a swipe and a flick as interchangeable. I believe the 
 Apple documentation also uses these two terms to refer to the same gesture.
 
 On 02/11/2014 06:21 PM, Don and Cher Bosch wrote:
 
 
 I didn't know about these practice screen shortcuts- thanks. Is a swipe
 with one finger the same as a flick?
 
 Cher
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Alex Hall
 *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
 
 I assume you mean the one-finger flick, to move from item to item?
 First, don't make the move too big - a half inch to an inch is enough, I
 find. Second, don't put your finger down and then flick or swipe, as
 that usually leads to Voiceover thinking you are touching rather than
 trying to perform a command. Instead, be making the flick gesture as
 your finger hits the screen, so that the flick or swipe is interpreted
 as what you intended from the start and there is less room for
 ambiguity. It sounds harder than it is, I promise. Finally, make use of
 Voiceover's practice mode (double tap four fingers, then do that again
 or do a two-finger scrub to exit this mode).
 
 
 --
 
 Have a great day,
 
 Alex
 
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Don and Cher Bosch
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 
 It sometimes works, sometimes not. Would appreciate descriptions of how
 others make it work 

Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread isaac
First open the mail app then double tap compose then in the two field enter the 
first email  address then choose add contact then choose the contacts of the 
group you want to send the message too then type in the message in the message 
field then send it.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do with 
 my question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad Air.  I 
 often send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP computer how 
 to put all the names into a group and give that group a name.  In this case, 
 it's a private joke list.  Thus the name I just type in to the BCC field is 
 Joke Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the BCC field of the email 
 program all the names and addresses of my joke friends automatically gets 
 inserted automatically.
 
 Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?  
 
 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
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Re: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store

2014-02-13 Thread David Chittenden
Unfortunately, there is no easy way of knowing which stores the app is 
available in.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Feb 2014, at 4:24, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 
 Hi all. just to let those of us who are in Canada know who are looking for 
 this app it doesn't seem to be in the canadion app stor. I kind of wish that 
 people would indicate if a app is just for the us or not when telling people 
 about it since not all apps are in every app stor in the world. just sayin. 
 from Mich.
 - Original Message - From: Richard Turner 
 richard.turne...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:58 AM
 Subject: RE: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store
 
 
 Yes, this is very good news.
 One note about setting up the board.
 I was a bit confused when I first hit the clear board button because the
 pieces were still in their normal starting positions.
 Then, I double tapped on one and the board cleared.
 You can then double tap on the piece of your choice that is either above or
 below the board and then double tap the square where you want to place it.
 
 Very slick.
 
 Richard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jeffrey Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:33 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Chess-wise 3 available in App Store
 
 Hello List Members,
 
 A new upgraded version of Chess-wise can be found by searching for
 Chess-wise 3. This week, the in-app purchase price is only $1.99. Next week
 it goes up to $3.99.
 
 This upgrade fixes some issues that appeared when IOS 7 came out, and
 provides other enhancements the developer believes justifies the charge.
 
 I like the ability this app has for setting up positions on the board and
 playing from those positions. Although Shredder has this ability, it doesn't
 work with VoiceOver, so that feature's no good to us.
 
 Thanks,
 Jeffrey
 
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Wow! That's to rich for my blood!

Even at half that price I'd really have to think hard about do I really need 
that or do I just want it.

In the end, I'd guess I'd take a pass on it and another 15 bucks to ship it on 
top of it.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Lelia leliastr...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?
 
 Lelia 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:
 
 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email to 
 make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil
 
 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy 
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 For your possible interest:
 
 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
 smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
 about the availability of this product from a land far away.
 
 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver use

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Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Hi Isaac,

I think you may have misunderstood or I explained what I wanted badly.  I want 
to automate that process of not having to type in some 80 email addresses in to 
the BCC field.  With Outlook Express, I can create  a folder called joke 
friends and add all those 80 email addresses into that folder.  Then when I 
want to send an email message to those 80 people in the BCC field, I just have 
to type the words joke friends.  Then outlook express automatically adds in all 
those addresses to the BCC field.  I was wondering if there were any to do the 
same thing in iOS.  I hope this better explains what I'm after and thank you 
again for giving it a shot.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:25 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First open the mail app then double tap compose then in the two field enter 
 the first email  address then choose add contact then choose the contacts of 
 the group you want to send the message too then type in the message in the 
 message field then send it.
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do with 
 my question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad Air.  I 
 often send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP computer how 
 to put all the names into a group and give that group a name.  In this case, 
 it's a private joke list.  Thus the name I just type in to the BCC field is 
 Joke Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the BCC field of the email 
 program all the names and addresses of my joke friends automatically gets 
 inserted automatically.
 
 Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?  
 
 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.
 
 Alan
 
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Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
I believe it requires a single finger double tap to choose between the front 
and back cameras.

HTH


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Don and Cher Bosch 
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Then perhaps I'm not performing the correct gesture to inform VO that the 
 camera mode is selected. Sometimes I get that little sound like you're moving 
 an icon and sometimes not- but can't establish a pattern either way. Is it 
 correct that a single tap is supposed to trigger the adjustable switch?
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 David Chittenden
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 No, it is a vertical flick to change the options in camera mode. VO says 
 selector which means use a vertical flick to adjust. If focus is moving to 
 another item, a vertical flick is not being used. It does not matter what you 
 believe you are doing with your flick. The only thing that matters is what VO 
 detects. If your vertical flick is not changing camera mode, activate the 
 gesture training with a four-finger double-tap and practice the gesture(s) 
 that do not seem to work consistently until they work properly 100% of the 
 time.
  
 I like the new selector. The camera now has four modes. The only mode I have 
 not yet been able to figure out is square mode. I will probably ask a sighted 
 person about it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Feb 2014, at 6:55, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Actually in this location, VO calls it a swipe also- and on the couple of 
 instances when I have been able to change the selection, it seems like it was 
 more of a long, slow swipe which finally triggered it. When I flick after 
 touching the screen to select the camera mode option, the focus almost 
 invariably just moves to the next or previous item on the screen instead of 
 changing the value- this is why I'm so totally perplexed.
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:20 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 Actually Alex, the area being discussed is a spot that requires a flick up or 
 down to adjust the value in the camera app to change the mode from photos, to 
 video, etc.
 It is a up and down flick, which some people also call a swipe, but it is 
 more accurately described as a flick because you don't really want to drag 
 your finger on the screen, just hit it with a glancing blow, as it were.
  
  
 ... Not forgiving someone is like drinking rat poison, and then waiting for 
 the rat to die. - Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies, P. 134
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same here. As I said in my last message in this thread, it sounds like you 
 are trying to move from page to page. If so, you must use three fingers.
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
  
  
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I've always thought of a swipe and a flick as interchangeable. I believe the 
 Apple documentation also uses these two terms to refer to the same gesture.
 
 On 02/11/2014 06:21 PM, Don and Cher Bosch wrote:
 
 
 I didn't know about these practice screen shortcuts- thanks. Is a swipe
 with one finger the same as a flick?
 
 Cher
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Alex Hall
 *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
 
 I assume you mean the one-finger flick, to move from item to item?
 First, don't make the move too big - a half inch to an inch is enough, I
 find. Second, don't put your finger down and then flick or swipe, as
 that usually leads to Voiceover thinking you are touching rather than
 trying to perform a command. Instead, be making the flick gesture as
 your finger hits the screen, so that the flick or swipe is interpreted
 as what you intended from the start and there is less room for
 ambiguity. It sounds harder than it is, I promise. Finally, make use of
 Voiceover's practice mode (double tap four fingers, then do that again
 or do a two-finger scrub to exit this mode).
 
 
 --
 
 Have a great day,
 
 Alex
 
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Don and Cher Bosch
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 
 It sometimes works, sometimes not. Would appreciate descriptions of how
 others make it work more consistently. Thanks.
 
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Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Cheryl Homiak
This article is a little old and I don't know if the suggested apps are 
accessible or not, but you could look into it.

http://gigaom.com/2011/01/26/how-to-create-and-manage-ios-email-distribution-lists/
-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)





On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do with 
 my question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad Air.  I 
 often send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP computer how 
 to put all the names into a group and give that group a name.  In this case, 
 it's a private joke list.  Thus the name I just type in to the BCC field is 
 Joke Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the BCC field of the email 
 program all the names and addresses of my joke friends automatically gets 
 inserted automatically.
 
 Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?  
 
 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
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Moving Photos and Videos to ICloud

2014-02-13 Thread Keith Bundy
Hello, list. I am wanting to move most of my photos and videos to iCloud in 
order to free up some space on my phone. Does anyone o of a fairly quick way to 
do this? I have around 2 GB of photos and videos.

Thanks!

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread goshawk on horseback
just taking a complete guess here, but may be they are aiming this product 
at those people who haven't really got the hang of the touch screen?

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Thanks for this, I also don't understand how this remote would do the
following. Quoted from the email below.

These features enable RiVO users to use a greater number of apps every day
compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO.

Either an app is accessible or it is not. So how would a remote make this
any different? I'm not meaning to slam the developer, but if one makes a
statement such as this, one should give examples.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lelia
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email
to make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil

 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


 Hi Folks:

 For your possible interest:

 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

 Hi everyone,

 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use
 their smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make
 people know about the availability of this product from a land far away.

 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver
users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the
 size of a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big
keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there
 are 4 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it
 like a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and
 easy, control music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO
 users to use a greater number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver
 users without RiVO. RiVO supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
 Android TalkBack is another innovative technology from Google, and
 Android version of RiVO is also available.

 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo
 and http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient
 accessory to help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of
 your smart devices and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely
 faster with this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like
 those who can see.
 - We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made
 usable for us!
 - I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
 - I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
 Android platforms.
 - RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with
 touchpad interface.
 - We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one
 hand, and has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access
 than he had ever had before to a desktop or iOS device.
 - RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make
 the iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device
 into our lives.
 - This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my
iPhone.
 My right arm is feeling better 

Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Bill Gallik

Alan,

When I sync my iPhone with my PC the groups come along.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
society.

- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air


Hi Isaac,

I think you may have misunderstood or I explained what I wanted badly.  I 
want to automate that process of not having to type in some 80 email 
addresses in to the BCC field.  With Outlook Express, I can create  a folder 
called joke friends and add all those 80 email addresses into that folder. 
Then when I want to send an email message to those 80 people in the BCC 
field, I just have to type the words joke friends.  Then outlook express 
automatically adds in all those addresses to the BCC field.  I was wondering 
if there were any to do the same thing in iOS.  I hope this better explains 
what I'm after and thank you again for giving it a shot.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air


On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:25 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

First open the mail app then double tap compose then in the two field 
enter the first email  address then choose add contact then choose the 
contacts of the group you want to send the message too then type in the 
message in the message field then send it.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli 
alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:


Hi All,

I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do 
with my question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad 
Air.  I often send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP 
computer how to put all the names into a group and give that group a 
name.  In this case, it's a private joke list.  Thus the name I just type 
in to the BCC field is Joke Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the 
BCC field of the email program all the names and addresses of my joke 
friends automatically gets inserted automatically.


Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Donald L. Roberts
Please would someone provide examples of the areas in which this remote 
purports to provide greater access.


Don Roberts


On 2/13/2014 10:59 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:

just taking a complete guess here, but may be they are aiming this product
at those people who haven't really got the hang of the touch screen?

Simon


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Thanks for this, I also don't understand how this remote would do the
following. Quoted from the email below.

These features enable RiVO users to use a greater number of apps every day
compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO.

Either an app is accessible or it is not. So how would a remote make this
any different? I'm not meaning to slam the developer, but if one makes a
statement such as this, one should give examples.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lelia
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:

Hi Folks,
I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email

to make it easier for people to decide.

According to their order page,
RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
There is a $15 shipping charge added.
Phil

- Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users



Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- From: Ein Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use
their smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make
people know about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver

users.

The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the
size of a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big

keys.

There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there
are 4 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it
like a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and
easy, control music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO
users to use a greater number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver
users without RiVO. RiVO supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
Android TalkBack is another innovative technology from Google, and
Android version of RiVO is also available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo
and http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient
accessory to help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of
your smart devices and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely
faster with this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like
those who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made
usable for us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with
touchpad interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one
hand, and has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access
than he had ever had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make
the iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device
into our lives.

Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Bill, I didn't think of that.  Thanks!

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Alan,
 
 When I sync my iPhone with my PC the groups come along.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
 - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
 - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli 
 alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air
 
 
 Hi Isaac,
 
 I think you may have misunderstood or I explained what I wanted badly.  I 
 want to automate that process of not having to type in some 80 email 
 addresses in to the BCC field.  With Outlook Express, I can create  a folder 
 called joke friends and add all those 80 email addresses into that folder. 
 Then when I want to send an email message to those 80 people in the BCC 
 field, I just have to type the words joke friends.  Then outlook express 
 automatically adds in all those addresses to the BCC field.  I was wondering 
 if there were any to do the same thing in iOS.  I hope this better explains 
 what I'm after and thank you again for giving it a shot.
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:25 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First open the mail app then double tap compose then in the two field enter 
 the first email  address then choose add contact then choose the contacts of 
 the group you want to send the message too then type in the message in the 
 message field then send it.
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 

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Re: Creating Groups on iPad Air

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli
Wow, that's a lot of work.  Thank you for your help.  I honestly do appreciate 
it.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This article is a little old and I don't know if the suggested apps are 
 accessible or not, but you could look into it.
 
 http://gigaom.com/2011/01/26/how-to-create-and-manage-ios-email-distribution-lists/
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have a pop 3 account with Earthlink which probably has nothing to do with 
 my question.  I'm using the email app that comes native on the iPad Air.  I 
 often send mail to a group of people.  I know on my Windows XP computer how 
 to put all the names into a group and give that group a name.  In this case, 
 it's a private joke list.  Thus the name I just type in to the BCC field is 
 Joke Friends.  When I type Joke Friends in to the BCC field of the email 
 program all the names and addresses of my joke friends automatically gets 
 inserted automatically.
 
 Is there a way to do the same thing in iOS 7.04?  
 
 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
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Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture

2014-02-13 Thread Alex Hall
Indeed it does, but the OP's question is about choosing the mode (normal, 
square, video, pano) and that is an adjustable item in the lower left of the 
view.

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 On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I believe it requires a single finger double tap to choose between the front 
 and back cameras.
 
 HTH
 
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Don and Cher Bosch 
 oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Then perhaps I'm not performing the correct gesture to inform VO that the 
 camera mode is selected. Sometimes I get that little sound like you're 
 moving an icon and sometimes not- but can't establish a pattern either way. 
 Is it correct that a single tap is supposed to trigger the adjustable switch?
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of David Chittenden
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 No, it is a vertical flick to change the options in camera mode. VO says 
 selector which means use a vertical flick to adjust. If focus is moving to 
 another item, a vertical flick is not being used. It does not matter what 
 you believe you are doing with your flick. The only thing that matters is 
 what VO detects. If your vertical flick is not changing camera mode, 
 activate the gesture training with a four-finger double-tap and practice the 
 gesture(s) that do not seem to work consistently until they work properly 
 100% of the time.
  
 I like the new selector. The camera now has four modes. The only mode I have 
 not yet been able to figure out is square mode. I will probably ask a 
 sighted person about it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Feb 2014, at 6:55, Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Actually in this location, VO calls it a swipe also- and on the couple of 
 instances when I have been able to change the selection, it seems like it 
 was more of a long, slow swipe which finally triggered it. When I flick 
 after touching the screen to select the camera mode option, the focus almost 
 invariably just moves to the next or previous item on the screen instead of 
 changing the value- this is why I'm so totally perplexed.
  
 Cher
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:20 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
  
 Actually Alex, the area being discussed is a spot that requires a flick up 
 or down to adjust the value in the camera app to change the mode from 
 photos, to video, etc.
 It is a up and down flick, which some people also call a swipe, but it is 
 more accurately described as a flick because you don't really want to drag 
 your finger on the screen, just hit it with a glancing blow, as it were.
  
  
 ... Not forgiving someone is like drinking rat poison, and then waiting for 
 the rat to die. - Anne Lamott, Traveling Mercies, P. 134
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same here. As I said in my last message in this thread, it sounds like you 
 are trying to move from page to page. If so, you must use three fingers.
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex
 mehg...@gmail.com
  
  
  
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I've always thought of a swipe and a flick as interchangeable. I believe the 
 Apple documentation also uses these two terms to refer to the same gesture.
 
 On 02/11/2014 06:21 PM, Don and Cher Bosch wrote:
 
 
 I didn't know about these practice screen shortcuts- thanks. Is a swipe
 with one finger the same as a flick?
 
 Cher
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Alex Hall
 *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Please explain VO's swipe with one finger gesture
 
 I assume you mean the one-finger flick, to move from item to item?
 First, don't make the move too big - a half inch to an inch is enough, I
 find. Second, don't put your finger down and then flick or swipe, as
 that usually leads to Voiceover thinking you are touching rather than
 trying to perform a command. Instead, be making the flick gesture as
 your finger hits the screen, so that the flick or swipe is interpreted
 as what you intended from the start and there is less room for
 ambiguity. It sounds harder than it is, I promise. Finally, make use of
 Voiceover's practice mode (double tap four fingers, then do that again
 or do a two-finger scrub to exit this mode).
 
 
 --
 
 Have a great day,
 
 Alex
 
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Don and 

Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread RobH.
At least two of us have been through the manual,  and can't see where it 
does anything for accessibility as such, though some of the key combinations 
could well be useful, but suspect we could do those things with ordinary 
palm size bt keyboards.   Some users just feel more at ease with real 
buttons, so might appreciate this;  but it is a much more restricted market 
than the developers guessed.

Jmo, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Please would someone provide examples of the areas in which this remote
purports to provide greater access.

Don Roberts


On 2/13/2014 10:59 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
 just taking a complete guess here, but may be they are aiming this product
 at those people who haven't really got the hang of the touch screen?

 Simon


 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: RE: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


 Thanks for this, I also don't understand how this remote would do the
 following. Quoted from the email below.

 These features enable RiVO users to use a greater number of apps every 
 day
 compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO.

 Either an app is accessible or it is not. So how would a remote make this
 any different? I'm not meaning to slam the developer, but if one makes a
 statement such as this, one should give examples.

 Neal


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Lelia
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:34 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

 That is absolutely crazy! Hundred and $29?

 Lelia

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the email
 to make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil

 - Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


 Hi Folks:

 For your possible interest:

 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

 Hi everyone,

 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use
 their smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make
 people know about the availability of this product from a land far away.

 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver
 users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the
 size of a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with 
 big
 keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there
 are 4 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it
 like a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and
 easy, control music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO
 users to use a greater number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver
 users without RiVO. RiVO supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
 Android TalkBack is another innovative technology from Google, and
 Android version of RiVO is also available.

 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo
 and http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient
 accessory to help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of
 your smart devices and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely
 faster with this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the 

help

2014-02-13 Thread PHILLIP TRACY


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Re: help

2014-02-13 Thread Cris Ali

help with what?
Regards,
Cris

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Re: Moving Photos and Videos to ICloud

2014-02-13 Thread isaac
You can move them to iCloud by turning on my photo stream then going to 
settings iCloud then storage and backup and then choose backup now to backup 
every thing to iCloud. 
On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Keith Bundy kb5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, list. I am wanting to move most of my photos and videos to iCloud in 
 order to free up some space on my phone. Does anyone o of a fairly quick way 
 to do this? I have around 2 GB of photos and videos.
 
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Teresa Cochran
yes, this was my guess as soon as I saw the first few sentences.

teresa

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On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:59 AM, goshawk on horseback 
goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:

 just taking a complete guess here, but may be they are aiming this product 
 at those people who haven't really got the hang of the touch screen?
 
 Simon

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Teresa Cochran
Oops, my quoted text from the last message disappeared. what I was aiming at 
was that I guessed after reading the first few sentences that this product was 
made to be marketed to people uncomfortable with touchscreens.

Teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 yes, this was my guess as soon as I saw the first few sentences.
 
 teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:59 AM, goshawk on horseback 
 goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 just taking a complete guess here, but may be they are aiming this product 
 at those people who haven't really got the hang of the touch screen?
 
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Arnold Schmidt
Warning, cynicism to follow.  Stating the price too early is a bad sales 
technique.  You have to get the people excited, so excited about the 
product, just can't live without it.  Then, the price won't be such a shock, 
or they will be more willing to stand it some way, they are so excited!


Arnold Schmidt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


I agree, but I also caution depending too much on a price listed in an 
email message. You may be able to get a better price from a different 
reseller, products go on sale, prices just change over time and so on. I 
would never make a buying decision based solely on a price contained in an 
email message, but I agree it's a nice piece of information to have to 
understand what price ballpark something is in.


On 02/13/2014 06:00 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Folks,
I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the
email to make it easier for people to decide.
According to their order page,
RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
There is a $15 shipping charge added.
Phil

- Original Message - From: Jim Noseworthy
jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users



Hi Folks:

For your possible interest:

-Original Message- From: Ein Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
about the availability of this product from a land far away.

RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver
users.
The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the
size of
a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there
are 4
additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.

VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it
like
a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy,
control
music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a 
greater

number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
available.

More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.

Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
- RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
smartphone.
- I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
- Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
- RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
- I have RiVO with me all the time.
- Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster
with
this keypad.
- RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
- I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
- RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
- RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
- RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
surroundings with my gesture actions.
- RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like 
those

who can see.
- We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made
usable for
us!
- I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
- I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
Android platforms.
- RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
interface.
- We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand,
and
has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
had before to a desktop or iOS device.
- RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make 
the

iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into
our
lives.
- This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my
iPhone.
My right arm is feeling better already.

Thanks and best wishes,

Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Dave Sheridan
Hi Jim

Thanks for posting this. Just interested if any of these blind users of this 
product for whom it has made such a difference whether they have posted their 
comments independently to the same list. 

All the best from Dave

Sent from my iPhone

 On 13 Feb 2014, at 11:28, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 For your possible interest:
 
 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'd like to introduce a small product our company makes for Apple iOS
 VoiceOver users. It's called RiVO. We have seen blind people use their
 smartphones quite well with RiVO. I'm trying my best to make people know
 about the availability of this product from a land far away.
 
 RiVO is a revolutionary keyboard-like remote for Apple iOS VoiceOver users.
 The name stands for Remote interface to VoiceOver. Being about the size of
 a credit card, it is highly portable and yet comfortable with big keys.
 There are 12 keys in the middle just like telephone keypad, and there are 4
 additional keys on the left and on the right, respectively.
 
 VoiceOver is an innovative technology from Apple and you can enjoy it like
 a breeze with RiVO. You can also type and edit text fast and easy, control
 music simple and handy. These features enable RiVO users to use a greater
 number of apps every day compared to VoiceOver users without RiVO. RiVO
 supports iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Android TalkBack is another
 innovative technology from Google, and Android version of RiVO is also
 available.
 
 More information about RiVO can be found at http://mobience.com/rivo and
 http://facebook.com/rivo.page. I hope RiVO is a convenient accessory to
 help you find, explore and enjoy the possibilities of your smart devices
 and fabulous apps out there that make your life easy.
 
 Let me list some of the comments from RiVO users around the world:
 - RiVO is the most accurate and efficient tool for the blind to use
 smartphone.
 - I have 275 apps on my iPhone and RiVO is really valuable and helpful.
 - Alphabet typing becomes extremely fast with RiVO.
 - RiVO is a must-have accessory that many blind people will appreciate.
 - I have RiVO with me all the time.
 - Getting beyond different levels of the gestures are extremely faster with
 this keypad.
 - RIVO's smallQWERTY is superior to the old method of alphabet entry.
 - I use iPhone and RiVO every day, all day long.
 - RiVO is an indispensable accessory to the blind.
 - RiVO enables me use my iPhone precisely and quickly while on the move.
 - RiVO makes me use my iPhone without having to be conscious of the
 surroundings with my gesture actions.
 - RiVO gives me the convenience and freedom to use iPhone just like those
 who can see.
 - We really love this wonderful keyboard that you guys have made usable for
 us!
 - I love my RiVO! I keep it in my pocket all the time.
 - I am very happy with the keyboard's performance on both of iOS and
 Android platforms.
 - RiVO can provide relief to many users who are struggling with touchpad
 interface.
 - We were working with a customer who is blind, can only use one hand, and
 has cognitive disabilities. RiVO gave him better access than he had ever
 had before to a desktop or iOS device.
 - RiVO will become a true part of my iPhone experience, and will make the
 iPhone so much easier to use. You have brought a wonderful device into our
 lives.
 - This little gadget will definitely change the way I work with my iPhone.
 My right arm is feeling better already.
 
 Thanks and best wishes,
 
 Ein Lee, RiVO Team, Mobience Inc.
 RiVO guide: http://mobience.com/rivo
 Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rivo.page
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Re: Lords and Knights Update

2014-02-13 Thread Denny Schwab
Well mine would crash only when i tried to enter text into a reply in
either the messages tab or the alliance forum.  It stopped crashing
when i reverted back to the previous version.  It looks like they are
putting out an update to fix issues with the version they just sent
out though, so we'll have to see if that fixes this issue for me.


On 2/12/14, Mike blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure what's going on with mine works just like it always has.
 It occasionally crashes but so does every other app I use.

 Mike Malarsie
 www.malarsie.com

 On Feb 12, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Lords and Knights had an update come out yesterday.  I let it install
 and then had some very major problems with the app.  Here are the
 issues I saw:

 1.  App would crash when i tried to open a large message in the message
 tab.
 2.  App would crash if I used either the virtual keyboard or a
 Bluetooth keyboard in either the Message tab or Alliance Forum to
 reply to a post.
 3.  I could use the character drawing method to write a reply in
 either the Message tab or the Alliance forum, but could not delete any
 character I had written with this method.

 Anyone else have issues with this update?  I tried to email the
 support team for the app, but their form requires a graphicc to be
 entered to proceed and I could not get the audio piece of that to
 work.  I have returned to the previous version for now.

 Thank you,

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Malver
I disagree. When I see people announcing products, and not announcing prices, I 
immediately put them on a block list, and pay no further attention to them.
If the product was of good value, the price would be mentioned immediately.

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
 Warning, cynicism to follow.  Stating the price too early is a bad sales 
 technique.  You have to get the people excited, so excited about the product, 
 just can't live without it.  Then, the price won't be such a shock, or they 
 will be more willing to stand it some way, they are so excited!
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:17 AM
 Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 
 I agree, but I also caution depending too much on a price listed in an email 
 message. You may be able to get a better price from a different reseller, 
 products go on sale, prices just change over time and so on. I would never 
 make a buying decision based solely on a price contained in an email 
 message, but I agree it's a nice piece of information to have to understand 
 what price ballpark something is in.
 
 On 02/13/2014 06:00 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 I think it is a good policy to put the price of a new device in the
 email to make it easier for people to decide.
 According to their order page,
 RiVO for iPhone, English version ($129 USD):
 There is a $15 shipping charge added.
 Phil
 
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 jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:28 AM
 Subject: Fw: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
 
 Hi Folks:
 
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 -Original Message- From: Ein Lee
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: mac-acc...@mac-access.net
 Subject: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
 
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are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Mich
Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces that 
are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at getting 
out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering if I was to 
walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus what my options 
for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in mind that I am in 
Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be helpfull. many thanks. 
from Mich.

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Re: Moving Photos and Videos to ICloud

2014-02-13 Thread Keith Bundy
Thanks, Isaac. Will this take them off of my phone? Or is there another step I 
will need to take?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:20 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can move them to iCloud by turning on my photo stream then going to 
 settings iCloud then storage and backup and then choose backup now to backup 
 every thing to iCloud. 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Keith Bundy kb5...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list. I am wanting to move most of my photos and videos to iCloud in 
 order to free up some space on my phone. Does anyone o of a fairly quick way 
 to do this? I have around 2 GB of photos and videos.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Keith
 
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RE: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Duck
Hi,

I am not sure what you mean by VO accessible.  Wouldn't any bluetooth
audio device work with Voice Over?  All that I have tried have worked fine
with it.

Thanks,

Scott Duck

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you
could by say in a stor and not on line?

 

Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces
that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at
getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering
if I was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus
what my options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in
mind that I am in Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be
helpfull. many thanks. from Mich.

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RE: are there any blue tuth ear pieces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Lois Butterfield
Hi Mitch,

 

Just make sure the headset is A2DP compatible.  That's what you need for VO.
I'm sure you can buy one at any electronics type store.  Maybe, you'll be
lucky enough to be able to try one out to see if it works.

 

Good luck.

 

Lois

 

 

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Of Mich
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you
could by say in a stor and not on line?

 

Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces
that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at
getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering
if I was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus
what my options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in
mind that I am in Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be
helpfull. many thanks. from Mich.

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Re: Moving Photos and Videos to ICloud

2014-02-13 Thread isaac
I don't know if it will take them off of the phone but I know that it will back 
them up to you're iCloud.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Keith Bundy kb5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, Isaac. Will this take them off of my phone? Or is there another step 
 I will need to take?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:20 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can move them to iCloud by turning on my photo stream then going to 
 settings iCloud then storage and backup and then choose backup now to backup 
 every thing to iCloud. 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Keith Bundy kb5...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list. I am wanting to move most of my photos and videos to iCloud in 
 order to free up some space on my phone. Does anyone o of a fairly quick 
 way to do this? I have around 2 GB of photos and videos.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Keith
 
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Re: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Mich
Hi that is what I ment by vo accessable is that if any ear peace will work with 
voice over or are there some that wont. hth. from Mich.
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:53 PM
  Subject: RE: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that 
you could by say in a stor and not on line?


  Hi,

  I am not sure what you mean by VO accessible.  Wouldn't any bluetooth audio 
device work with Voice Over?  All that I have tried have worked fine with it.

  Thanks,

  Scott Duck

   

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Mich
  Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you 
could by say in a stor and not on line?

   

  Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces 
that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at 
getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering if I 
was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus what my 
options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in mind that I 
am in Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be helpfull. many 
thanks. from Mich.

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Re: Video To Audio(Audio Extractor MP3 WAV FLAC AAC OGG...)

2014-02-13 Thread TaraPrakash
? 

Is there an app that converts YouTube videos into MP3

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 5, 2014, at 10:46 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for mentioning this app I will check it out.
 On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com wrote:
 
 If you have ever wanted to extract audio from video files, this app will do 
 just that. It is free as of this post. 
 
 Video To Audio(Audio Extractor MP3 WAV FLAC AAC OGG...) by bill santiago
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/video-to-audio-audio-extractor/id756840897?mt=8
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Bill Gallik
Even though a BT earphone may be A2DP compatible does not necessarily mean it 
will be fully functional.  I've had several A2DP compatible earpieces only to 
discover that they had some serious limitations.  

Holland's Boy, Bill
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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  From: Mich 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:12 PM
  Subject: Re: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that 
you could by say in a stor and not on line?


  Hi that is what I ment by vo accessable is that if any ear peace will work 
with voice over or are there some that wont. hth. from Mich.
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From: Scott Duck 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that 
you could by say in a stor and not on line?


Hi,

I am not sure what you mean by VO accessible.  Wouldn't any bluetooth 
audio device work with Voice Over?  All that I have tried have worked fine with 
it.

Thanks,

Scott Duck

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mich
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you 
could by say in a stor and not on line?

 

Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces 
that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at 
getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering if I 
was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus what my 
options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in mind that I 
am in Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be helpfull. many 
thanks. from Mich.

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Re: are there any blue tuth ear pieces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Alan Paganelli

finding a Bluetooth ear peace you can try out just isn't going to happen.  
Think of it like trying out a toilet seat before you buy it.  Not 'gunna happen.

I'm not trying to gross anybody out, it's just that an ear peace has an insert 
which goes in the ear canal.

About a month or so back, I was in the market for an ear peace.  I wanted one 
that could route the audio from my iPhone 5s regardless of what I was doing 
with my phone.  Several good folks mentioned several ear peaces that could do 
what I wanted.  After talking to them via private email, I finally setteled on 
the Plantronics Bluetooth Voyager Legend.  Looking online, the price seemed to 
be 99 dollars.  Shopping around, the lowest I could find it was 65.99 plus 9.99 
shipping and handling.  Amazon.com offered it for 69.99 and free shipping.  It 
is a very nice ear peace and the audio quality is very good.  Sense it's an ear 
peace and not head phones, the sound is mono.  I wasn't interested in using it 
to listen to music.  I've already got a very good set of Bose phones for music. 
 I wanted something that gave me hands free opperation including hands free 
call answering.  The good folks on the list came through.  Lois was 
particularly knowledgable about the Legend.  So, I would suggest letting the 
list know what you want in an ear peace and letting the group suggest possible 
choices that would fit your needs.
Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Lois Butterfield lbutterfield...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Mitch,
  
 Just make sure the headset is A2DP compatible.  That’s what you need for VO.  
 I’m sure you can buy one at any electronics type store.  Maybe, you’ll be 
 lucky enough to be able to try one out to see if it works.
  
 Good luck.
  
 Lois
  
  
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 Mich
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you 
 could by say in a stor and not on line?
  
 Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces 
 that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at 
 getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering if 
 I was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus what 
 my options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in mind 
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RE: are there any blue tuth ear pieces that are vo accessible that you could by say in a stor and not on line?

2014-02-13 Thread Lois Butterfield
I guess by trying it out, I meant to see if it would work with VO.  I
suppose that would be hard to do without having it in your ear.  I do
realize it wouldn't be possible to actually put something in your ear
without buying it first.

 

You could do research online, then call stores to see if they had the model
you wanted.

 

Lois

 

 

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Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: are there any blue tuth ear pieces that are vo accessible that
you could by say in a stor and not on line?

 

Hi Mitch,

 

Just make sure the headset is A2DP compatible.  That's what you need for VO.
I'm sure you can buy one at any electronics type store.  Maybe, you'll be
lucky enough to be able to try one out to see if it works.

 

Good luck.

 

Lois

 

 

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Of Mich
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: are there any blue tuth ear peaces that are vo accessible that you
could by say in a stor and not on line?

 

Hi all. I am just wondering. does any one know of any blue tuth ear peaces
that are able to be bot in a stor that are vo accessible? I am looking at
getting out of bying on line do to financhal reasons so was just wondering
if I was to walk in to say a stor like radio shack aka the sorse or tellus
what my options for blue tuth would be that work with vo?and also keep in
mind that I am in Ontario Canada so any ontario or canadion stors would be
helpfull. many thanks. from Mich.

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Re: help

2014-02-13 Thread PHILLIP TRACY
Sorry about that, I need help going nomail. Thanks in advance.

Phillip Tracy
Sent from my iPhone

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 help with what?
 Regards,
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Cleaner

2014-02-13 Thread Keith Bundy
I found an app on the app store called Cleaner. It is supposed to, upon your 
request, clean the iPhone memory and it's cache.

Has anyone used this app? If so, what are your thoughts about it?

Keith

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RE: Circulation request: Play an iPhone Game and Help Accessibility Research

2014-02-13 Thread Paul and Paula Jordan
Hi, all. I've played this little game DigiTap.   It's somewhat addictive.
It took me a bit to learn the gestures, 
And I found out that I can't remember 7 numbers in a row.  Still, it's kind
of fun.  Hope we get to keep it after the study.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Circulation request: Play an iPhone Game and Help Accessibility
Research

I saw this on another list that I am subscribe to and thought I'd pass it
along.
Kay

Hi everyone,

We are recruiting volunteers to play a fun, accessible iPhone game, as 
part of an accessibility research study. You can download our game, 
DigiTaps, for free from the Apple App Store and play!

We are a group of accessibility researchers in the Computer Science  
Engineering Department at the University of Washington. We have created 
the iOS game DigiTaps to evaluate new accessible text entry methods. 
The game will include a notice of informed consent so you can make sure 
that you want to participate in the study before you start playing. 
This study is completely voluntary. You may choose to stop playing or 
to delete the game at any time.

Participant requirements:

Participants must be at least 18 years old. Our research is targeted at 
people who are blind or low vision, so we encourage all blind and low 
vision people to participate. However, sighted people may participate 
as well.

If you have any questions, please join our Google Group and post your 
questions at 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mobileaccessibility
You can download the DigiTaps game at
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digitaps/id722946578

Thanks!

Vaspol Ruamviboonsuk



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siri making phone calls

2014-02-13 Thread Paul and Paula Jordan
Hi everyone. Another strange Siri phone call behavior to report. Sometimes
when my husband tries to make a call using siri, Siri leaves off the last
digit.  For example, if he asks Siri to call 775-0200 Siri will say calling
775-002.  Very strange.

God bless!

Paula and Babe

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Going no mail [was Re: help]

2014-02-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Have you tried going to http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en 
(the link at the bottom of each message) and changing your membership 
settings to say you don't want email messages sent?


I don't know what screen reader and web browser you use, but with Orca 
and Firefox, I follow the link above, select My Settings right above 
the list of messages in the broup, choose the Membership and Email 
settings and then select Don't send emails. After that, I just have to 
select the save option.


BTW, a more specific subject line might help you get your question noticed.

On 02/13/2014 06:02 PM, PHILLIP TRACY wrote:

Sorry about that, I need help going nomail. Thanks in advance.

Phillip Tracy
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote:

help with what?
Regards,
Cris

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RE: siri making phone calls

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Ruby
I have had siri take a total guess on the name at least it was not even
close to what I said. I have also have the s5 cut her off when talking a lot
more then the s4 did. Also on the s5 there are many times when siri will
just not reply because she just got lost some place out there.



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Subject: siri making phone calls

Hi everyone. Another strange Siri phone call behavior to report. Sometimes
when my husband tries to make a call using siri, Siri leaves off the last
digit.  For example, if he asks Siri to call 775-0200 Siri will say calling
775-002.  Very strange.

God bless!

Paula and Babe

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better contacts app

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Ruby
I am looking for a better more feature rich contacts app that works great
with voiceover and easy to use. Some of the things I will need is:

1 all buttons labeled and easy to handle with voiceover as I will be sharing
with with a friend who does not handle technology well.

2. merge duplicate contacts
3. handle groups and be able to manage them add/remove/groups and people
with in the group
4 able to send groups sms, mms and email


I tried Simpler Pro but a few of the buttons read funny and it just did not
have a good feel to me. But if this is the app then I'll re download it and
spend more time with it.

Thank you

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Re: siri making phone calls

2014-02-13 Thread David Chittenden
That means, Siri did not hear / process the last digit, so it only had the 
other digits. In many countries, phone numbers can be varying lengths, so Siri 
will attempt to dial whatever digits it receives.

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 On 14 Feb 2014, at 15:05, Paul and Paula Jordan pau...@roadrunner.com 
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 Hi everyone. Another strange Siri phone call behavior to report. Sometimes 
 when my husband tries to make a call using siri, Siri leaves off the last 
 digit.  For example, if he asks Siri to call 775-0200 Siri will say “calling 
 775-002.  Very strange.
 God bless!
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Re: Going no mail [was Re: help]

2014-02-13 Thread PHILLIP TRACY
I'm really sorry about that subject line, that was totally unintentional. I no 
longer have a computer, so the iPhone is all I have now. This is why I was 
wondering what to do about going no mail. Any help would be appreciated.

Phillip Tracy
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 select Don't send emails. After that, I just have to select the save option.
 
 BTW, a more specific subject line might help you get your question noticed.
 
 On 02/13/2014 06:02 PM, PHILLIP TRACY wrote:
 Sorry about that, I need help going nomail. Thanks in advance.
 
 Phillip Tracy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 help with what?
 Regards,
 Cris
 
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Re: Going no mail [was Re: help]

2014-02-13 Thread David Chittenden
It can be done on the iPhone using the same process already discussed. If the 
link cannot be located, double-tap the full site / desktop link which Google 
has on just about every page when accessing via mobile. 

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Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Feb 2014, at 16:06, PHILLIP TRACY tracyp4...@msn.com wrote:
 
 I'm really sorry about that subject line, that was totally unintentional. I 
 no longer have a computer, so the iPhone is all I have now. This is why I was 
 wondering what to do about going no mail. Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Phillip Tracy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 wrote:
 
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 link at the bottom of each message) and changing your membership settings to 
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 of messages in the broup, choose the Membership and Email settings and then 
 select Don't send emails. After that, I just have to select the save 
 option.
 
 BTW, a more specific subject line might help you get your question noticed.
 
 On 02/13/2014 06:02 PM, PHILLIP TRACY wrote:
 Sorry about that, I need help going nomail. Thanks in advance.
 
 Phillip Tracy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 help with what?
 Regards,
 Cris
 
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Lions magazine app

2014-02-13 Thread Lori Dent
Hi all,

I was wondering ifthere's any Lions magazine app's out there in the app's 
store?I  get the Lions magazine delivered to me through the mail but I can't 
read it because it's in print . I want to be able to read up on what's going on 
with other Lions clubs around the world.Thanks.

Lori and theGipperformmat

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Re: Circulation request: Play an iPhone Game and Help Accessibility Research

2014-02-13 Thread RobH.
There's a few not managed to play it and I never got to even download it.

But numbers?   remembering a phone number is up to ten,  but this, I think, 
is dependent on it being presented in the 334 pattern.  I get idiots over 
here trying all manner of patterns thinking they're making it simpler, like 
2 digitts at a time, and can't remember them unless I can get it converted 
into the familiar template. Rhythm is all!
A cCard pattern is 16, so long as it's the  rhythm.But otherwise, as a 
one-off, there seems to be a cut-off point around 7 or 8 or so,  where the 
number falls through entirely.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 2:01 AM
Subject: RE: Circulation request: Play an iPhone Game and Help Accessibility 
Research


Hi, all. I've played this little game DigiTap.   It's somewhat addictive.
It took me a bit to learn the gestures,
And I found out that I can't remember 7 numbers in a row.  Still, it's kind
of fun.  Hope we get to keep it after the study.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
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Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Circulation request: Play an iPhone Game and Help Accessibility
Research

I saw this on another list that I am subscribe to and thought I'd pass it
along.
Kay

Hi everyone,

We are recruiting volunteers to play a fun, accessible iPhone game, as
part of an accessibility research study. You can download our game,
DigiTaps, for free from the Apple App Store and play!

We are a group of accessibility researchers in the Computer Science 
Engineering Department at the University of Washington. We have created
the iOS game DigiTaps to evaluate new accessible text entry methods.
The game will include a notice of informed consent so you can make sure
that you want to participate in the study before you start playing.
This study is completely voluntary. You may choose to stop playing or
to delete the game at any time.

Participant requirements:

Participants must be at least 18 years old. Our research is targeted at
people who are blind or low vision, so we encourage all blind and low
vision people to participate. However, sighted people may participate
as well.

If you have any questions, please join our Google Group and post your
questions at
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mobileaccessibility
You can download the DigiTaps game at
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digitaps/id722946578

Thanks!

Vaspol Ruamviboonsuk



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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread Ari Moisio

Hi

On the other hand many gamers want  precise  and immediate interaction and 
there are plenty of game controllers for the idevices  available.  I doupt 
anyone has said  that they just are not get used to the touchscreen:-)


Unfortunately until Apple puts any effort to general keyboard usability on 
IOS devices these keypads do not help much except for making flicking and 
double tapping  faster and more prddictable. Apples's 1D approach for 
screen navigation is extremely inefficient. 2D-way, exploring the screen 
with one finger  is faster but for efficient use one  heve to memorize all 
the controls on every screen of any application he/she uses.


It is a bit unfair to compare mobile phones to desktop computers but even 
sighted ones works more efficiently with keyboard than mouse/touchscreen.


Using the touch screen as blind is similar to using an failing keyboard: 
you have every time check that the key press gets through  and it was the 
correct key that wenth trough.


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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

2014-02-13 Thread goshawk on horseback
please could you give some examples of such controllers? as when I had a 
look, all I could find was a little joystick that attached to the touch 
screen, and nothing else. admittedly, this was over a year ago however.

Simon


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Hi

On the other hand many gamers want  precise  and immediate interaction and
there are plenty of game controllers for the idevices  available.  I doupt
anyone has said  that they just are not get used to the touchscreen:-)

Unfortunately until Apple puts any effort to general keyboard usability on
IOS devices these keypads do not help much except for making flicking and
double tapping  faster and more prddictable. Apples's 1D approach for
screen navigation is extremely inefficient. 2D-way, exploring the screen
with one finger  is faster but for efficient use one  heve to memorize all
the controls on every screen of any application he/she uses.

It is a bit unfair to compare mobile phones to desktop computers but even
sighted ones works more efficiently with keyboard than mouse/touchscreen.

Using the touch screen as blind is similar to using an failing keyboard:
you have every time check that the key press gets through  and it was the
correct key that wenth trough.

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