RE: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Jerry,

 

I was the one who posted instructions about how to downgrade on Sunday. I
can say for sure it was still working on Sunday, but I don't know if it
still works now since at some point Apple stops signing the firmware file
for iOS 7.1.2 and once that happens downgrading is no longer possible.
Anyhow, as for the archives, there is a link to the mail archive at the
bottom of every single post. Just go to that link, there is an edit field on
that webpage where you can type in a search term and then you can review the
results by using the headings quick nav key of your screenreader.

 

If you simply search for :"7.1.2" and review the results you will find it,
just look for my post from Sunday, September 21.

The complete subject is something like :"It's still possible to downgrade to
iOS 7.1.2 as of today (Sunday, September 21)"

 

I don't keep most of the messages I post otherwise I would just repost it,
but I've had a long day and it's almost midnight so it's up to you to find
it since I would have to do the exact same thing, i.e. go to the archives,
find it and then post the link. I did, by the way, do that I think yesterday
when somebody else asked about downgrading, but now it's on you to find it
or maybe somebody else will look it up for you and repost it.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry Mader
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

 

How do I check the archives?

I'm not sure how to do that.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry for asking a question that was already brought up on the list. I
wasn't able to see half of my email because I have been having trouble with
my computer  so half of my emails had to be zapped.

I just now got it working again.

Could someone send me, off list a refresher on how to downgrade if
possible?.

I'd appreciate that, but if not could someone tell me how I could search the
archives, and could you tell me what to search for by chance?.

Thanks

Jerry Mader

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

Check the archives of the list.  Instructions were given not all that long
ago.


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From: Jerry Mader   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:32 PM

Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

 

I would really like to downgrade back.

I'm tired of these bugs.

Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so?

Thanks

Jerry Mader

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RE: Creating ringtones from songs with iTunes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Eve,

 

If you don’t have a “Create AAC version”: in the context menu that is most 
likely because you have set your encoder to encode in MP3. You would open 
iTunes and check Edit, Preferences and in the General tab go to Import. Check 
your encoder settings, you should set to the iTunes Plus format.

 

Let me know if you still have problems and maybe I can help you privately. You 
can email me at siegh...@live.ca  .

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eve
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Creating ringtones from songs with iTunes

 

Hello,

 

I have been trying to put ringtones on my IPhone for about a week now.

I’ve tried the instruction in an e-mail and I can’t figure out a couple of 
things.

First:  When I get to the part about creating an AAC version, those settings 
are unavailable to me.

Second, I’ve also tried creating the ringtones using goldwav and making sure 
that I use the M4R extension to no avail.

I know I must be doing something wrong or missed a step somewhere.

Thanks!

 

Eve

 

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RE: Money Reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anna,

I unfortunately don't have a solution, but Lois just reported the same issue
with an iPhone 5 a few days ago. By now she has an iPhone 6 where money
reader works perfectly and many people responded to her thread including
myself saying they are having no issues with money reader working on iPhone
4S, 5 and 5S models. In fact, I think on my 5S Money Reader running with iOS
8 is faster than ever.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anna Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:30 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Money Reader

In iOS 8, Looktel Money Reader does not turn on the camera light in 
order to see a bill.  VoiceOver says "Money reader running," but 
nothing happens after that.  it asked permission to access the 
camera, and I gave it.  Settings says it is using the back facing 
camera, which is what I expected.  But no identification is 
happening.  Is there a setting somewhere I am missing?  I deleted and 
reinstalled it, shut down the phone and shut it up again, ... no joy.

thanks for any help.

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RE: Apple Accessibility

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Jonathan,

 

Sorry, I should have specified that I was trying this with Windows, Internet 
Explorer (and Firefox) and Jaws. I think you mentioned before on the testers 
list that it works OK with Safari, but while I love my iPhone, I don’t yet own 
a Mac. I am also no slouch when it comes to getting things done on the web with 
Jaws, bbut that one was beyond me or at least beyond my patience. Since I have 
sighted help most any time I want due to the fact that I employee a few sighted 
people, I sometimes just find it easier to get past an issue that way rather 
than spending half an hour trying to figure it out and possible not getting 
there anyways. Either way, Apple definitely could improve things a fair bit 
when it comes to iCloud and the bug reporter page.

Maybe I should have tried to access this via my iPhone.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility

 

Hi Siegard, I found it pretty useable if you use it with Safari though.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 25/09/2014, at 5:21 am, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Just email   accessibil...@apple.com. There 
was/is a bug report form on the developer portal for reporting bugs during the 
beta cycle. Unfortunately Apple designed it so that’s it is all but 
inaccessible for a screenreader user. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility

 

Is there a bug-report form, or do we write an email to  
 accessibil...@apple.com in our own words?

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom < 
 kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:

Hi,
I can confirm what you said. I also reported a bug to Apple Accessibility and 
along with the canned reply about that they had forwarded the message and so 
on, there came a message in which someone asked questions about the bug in 
question. Besides, in all the time i have had my IPhone i can't remember a bug 
that hasn't been fixed, but it may take some time.
/Krister





24 sep 2014 kl. 17:13 skrev John Diakogeorgiou < 
 jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>:

 

I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple

Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago.

Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report.

This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are

reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and

informative fashion.

 

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Re: Bending iPhone?

[RobH.]

i'll be interested to know how much the Otterbox case is out there at, for 
the 6 and 6+.

But yes, I was on the BBC news and they were running it, had pictures too, 
so it is not without basis.

Rh.
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From: "Rose Combs" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Bending iPhone?


When I get mine, I am getting an Otterbox for it also.  I carry mine inside
a pocket and clip it to the pocket about 98% of the time, want to continue
doing that so I will go for the 6 rather than the plus, would live the
better battery life but the size may not work with me.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bending iphones?



   Hi,



I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't
specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying
them around in their front shirt pockets.



That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.



Keith

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RE: Bending iphones?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, they deo exist, but keyboards are relatively simple devices, they don’t 
have touch screens, WiFi and cellular modems or complicated circuits and 
processors and so on. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bending iphones?

 



Ever seen a rubber keyboard?They do exist, so, maybe, this 
could be a thing of the future.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Cheryl Homiak mailto:cah4...@icloud.com> > wrote:

Oh, that would be hilarious! I guess I'd better not laugh to hard because 
someday it may happen: something in settings that says "choose shape for 
iPhone"!

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:





Hi Teresa, yes, I sure hope Apple makes on I can just roll up and shove into my 
pocket. Unfortunately this will probably be the iPhone 59 or something like 
that.

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:33 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bending iphones?

 

I rememer once using aluminum canes that bowed almost as soon as I touched 
them. It's an aluminum characteristic. Maybe someday the iPhone will actually 
be flexible in an intentional sense. Until that point, let's be careful. :)

 

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Steve <  
pipeguy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Because of the aluminum frame in the iPhone 6, it will bend.  There are lots of 
videos on the net and some complaints on social networks like Twitter about it 
bending.  It is most vulnerable near the buttons.

 

Steve

- Original Message -

From:   Sieghard Weitzel

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:48 AM

Subject: RE: Bending iphones?

 

I guess we’ll hear more about it if there is a real issue. My first response 
here is that just from being in a shirt pocket the iPhone won’t bend. Give it a 
hard enough impact and it will probably bend. I am actually speaking from my 
own experience since I bent my 5S this summer. I had it in the back pocket of a 
pair of shorts when I took my dog for a walk to the river. I stepped on a rock 
which rolled out from under my foot and I was on a fairly steep downhill slope 
so I just sort of fell down on my behind on about fist-size rocks. Since the 
iPhone was in my back pocket I sat on it and at first it seemed OK, once I got 
home I noticed a gap between the touch screen and the top edge of the stainless 
steel frame big enough to stick a dime through. The phone was working fine and 
a few weeks later when I was in Vancouver I took it to an Apple Store and since 
I had bought Apple Care which covers 2 accidental damages, I was able to have 
it replaced with a new phone for a $79 fee, I guess you can call it a 
deductible since I see Apple Care as an insurance.

My nephew whose parents (my brother and his wife) have a cattle ranch got 
knocked against a fence post by an unfriendly cow and he bent his iPhone 5. 
It’s a minor bent and his phone has been working like that for over a year.

I think one would have to know the “rest of the story” as Paul Harvey used to 
say to see why the iPhone 6 Plus in question got bent. For all I know somebody 
is just trying to give Apple a bad name (again) with such a story, but I guess 
we’ll find out if this is a real issue or a manufactured one.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bending iphones?

 

   Hi,

 

I don’t want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn’t specify 
6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around 
in their front shirt pockets.

 

That’s all I know. Ho

RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Michael,

 

You know it’s no longer there, at least not until tomorrow or Friday or maybe 
even as long as Monday or Tuesday. I’m sure Apple will re-release this update 
after it is fixed, why not just ignore it and get on with things? Is it that 
big a deal? I came home tonight to almost 150 messages and while I mean no 
offense, after browsing through about 50 of them I have not seen a single 
worthwhile message other than repeated messages that the update was retracted 
and how frustrated people are and how bad Apple is for doing such a horrible 
thing. I think I’ll just mass delete the other 100 messagtes and hope the list 
is back on track tomorrow.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael McKay
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

I have just tried to get rid of the notification of the software update to I OS 
8.0.1. I have turned off my iPhone, and turned it back on. I have also turned 
off the router or connection atThe modem and turned it back on I have been told 
in the email discussion that this update of iOS has been discontinued and 
therefore pulled from the update list. However I am still getting a reading 
that it is asking me to install it. Does anybody have any idea as to how I may 
get rid of that notification or delete that notification. This is causing me 
much frustration. Thank you so very much in advance for any help you can offer.

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2014, at 15:43, Joseph Hudson mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello, is anybody has the message, they told you that your software is 
up-to-date when some people have been able to update you I was 8.1 I just had 
this happen to me and I'm running a five best and I've experienced the keypad. 
Bug.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Trea Abma mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I updated and didn’t have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to 
delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.

 

From: Rich Ring   

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Cc: Rich Ring   

Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

However, I’ve heard that some users are losing cell service and that the update 
also breaks touch ID. I think I’ll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding

Sent from my Mac Book Pro 

richr...@gmail.com  

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading it 
now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you beat 
me to it. LOL!

- Original Message -

From:   Cristóbal

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM

Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Checking the changelong, there’s no specific mention of accessibility fixes, 
but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any 
improvements on their devices…

 

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RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you rebooted  your phone? I read about the update this morning, I
checked on my phone and it was right there asking me to download and
install. Since I never install any updates before doing a few precautionary
steps, by the time I had done them (less than 10 minutes later and after a
Reset All Network Settings) it no longer showed me that there was an update,
it just says I have the most current version.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Hello,

Not till the next update actually is available and installed will the notice
go away. Personally, it kind of bugs me that the message stays, but at the
same time, I can live with it, I guess.

 

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Daniel Miller mailto:miller...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Yes, that helps for people who haven't, but for those that tried, like me,
we want to know if there's a way to get rid of the notification badge on the
settings icon, even after we've deleted the update data from the device.

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Just don't install it.

I'm sure Apple will release another update in a day or so.



Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!


On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Michael McKay mailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have just tried to get rid of the notification of the software update to I
OS 8.0.1. I have turned off my iPhone, and turned it back on. I have also
turned off the router or connection atThe modem and turned it back on I have
been told in the email discussion that this update of iOS has been
discontinued and therefore pulled from the update list. However I am still
getting a reading that it is asking me to install it. Does anybody have any
idea as to how I may get rid of that notification or delete that
notification. This is causing me much frustration. Thank you so very much in
advance for any help you can offer.

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2014, at 15:43, Joseph Hudson mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello, is anybody has the message, they told you that your software is
up-to-date when some people have been able to update you I was 8.1 I just
had this happen to me and I'm running a five best and I've experienced the
keypad. Bug.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Trea Abma mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to
delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.

 

From: Rich Ring   

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Cc: Rich Ring   

Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the
update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding

Sent from my Mac Book Pro 

richr...@gmail.com  

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading
it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you
beat me to it. LOL!

- Original Message -

From:   Cristóbal

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM

Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes,
but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any
improvements on their devices...

 

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RE: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I guess this is one of these sometimes there and sometimes not there bugs. I 
read quite a few posts from people who say they have this issue, but it never 
has been a problem for me on my 5S and that was the case throughout the entire 
beta cycle with every beta version from Beta 1 to Beta 5 and the Goldmaster. I 
downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 from the Goldmaster on Sunday and back to iOS 8 public 
release (same built as Goldmaster) and I still can’t reproduce it.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

 

The bug that activates the reply screen when you hit the delete button.



Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!


On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

What email bug is that?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

 

Hi Everyone;

 

I am happy to report that the email bug is gone!

 

I am using the 16gb iPhone 5s on at&t.

 

Patience patience!

 

 

Susan & Anthony Vece

800 N. Main St.

Apt. C-11

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Home: (856) 629-2045

Anthony's Cell: (856) 885-1730

Susan's Cell: (856) 885-1731

 

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RE: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

[Jerry Mader]

How do I check the archives?
I'm not sure how to do that.
Thanks in advance.
Sorry for asking a question that was already brought up on the list. I
wasn't able to see half of my email because I have been having trouble with
my computer  so half of my emails had to be zapped.
I just now got it working again.
Could someone send me, off list a refresher on how to downgrade if
possible?.
I'd appreciate that, but if not could someone tell me how I could search the
archives, and could you tell me what to search for by chance?.
Thanks
Jerry Mader

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two


Check the archives of the list.  Instructions were given not all that long
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:32 PM
Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

I would really like to downgrade back.
I'm tired of these bugs.
Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so?
Thanks
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Re: Texting withoud i message

[Harry Bell]

Or buying her an iphone for her birthday! 

 

> On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:25, Rob  wrote:
> 
> OK,
> It seems that you have 2 options,
> 1 turn off iMessage before sending to that person,
> or
> 2. enable the option to send a text if iMessage is not available.
> When I try to text someone and they are not on wi-fi, the send iMessage 
> button turns to send using  text button.
> 
>> On 9/24/2014 12:52 AM, Harry Bell wrote:
>> My partner has an iPad at home and an android phone she carries everywhere. 
>> If I want to text her and I know the iPad is at home switched off, it can be 
>> a bit of a struggle to ensure the message is not sent as an I message!! Harry
>> 
>>  
>>> On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:50, Rob  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Why would you want to change it?
>>> Apple magically knows when you are texting to another apple device, so it 
>>> sends as an iMessage.
>>> It does not count against your monthly text allowed by your cell provider.
>>> So, if it is not broke, why fix it?
 On 9/23/2014 3:23 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
  Dear all
 
 Every time I send a text message   My phone calls  it and I message how do 
 I make sure that might text goes as a regular message  and not as I message
 thanks for any input about this
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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A question about the health app.

[Cathy]

Hi:
I have an i-phone 5 and am running the 8.0 version, and I was working in the 
health app.  It says that this can be activated from the lock screen, but I do 
not see a button to use this app when the screen is locked.  It is say that 
this is turned on,  so what else do I do to be able to use this app on a lock 
screen?
Cathy & Pilot Dog, Tiny:

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RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Ron Pelletier]

Well, I am so glad I saw this coming based on last year's experience.
That's why I didn't upgrade yet and why I probably will wait at least to the
release of 8.1. 

Ron & Danvers

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver

Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and
IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to
this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with
Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in
love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is!

On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> Sharonda,
>
> Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled 
> today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an 
> Apple product is really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused 
> the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality 
> control which, in fact, is complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, 
> the subjet line can stay there for a while
>
> Ron & Danvers
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
> VoiceOver
>
> Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not 
> complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is 
> not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion.
>
> Sharonda
> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian 
>> for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
>>
>>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
>>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with 
>>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't 
>>> handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't 
>>> have supported it.
>>>
 On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
 First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
 However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
 I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
 The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die 
 on me.
 But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it 
 crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
 I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

 Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the 
 case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap 
 to toggle the voice on and off.

 Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, 
 try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me 
 in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off 
 and then back on as well.

 I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver 
 bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart 
 phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
 IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to 
 making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated 
 the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if 
 we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off 
 then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many 
 people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit 
 where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle 
 Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be 
 content with.

> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the 
> iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS 
> / VO to catch up.
> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
> Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a 
> year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
> Let's see what happens.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from

Re: Speak messages on locked screen?

[David Chittenden]

Go to settings, general, accessibility, VoiceOver, and switch on speak 
notifications.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to disappoint you, you are not special, as I am having the problem to, 
> and I think the notifications not being spoken in the lock screen but hearing 
> the notification sound is one of the many many many bugs with VO in IOS8. 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Anna Byrne  wrote:
>> 
>> I O S 8.  I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen 
>> locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7.  In Accessibility 
>> there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak 
>> when the screen is locked.  Is this true for everyone, or am I just 
>> special???
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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and I have seen similar things from just about every large company out 
there. In fact, I have seen similar things from most businesses.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Sep 2014, at 08:52, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> The only Issue I have is with the Safari bug but I’ve found a work around 
> until Apple fixes this issue.  I have ios 8 on my ipod touch 5th generation 
> and won’t be updating my ipad mini.
>  
> From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>  
> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. 
> Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing 
> to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive 
> notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a 
> personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at 
> all in waiting.
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
>> an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
>> until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
>>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
>>> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
>>> supported it.
>>> 
 On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
 First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
 However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
 I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
 The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
 But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO
 is
 on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
 I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
 
 Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
 that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
 the voice on and off.
 
 Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
 triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
 situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
 on as well.
 
 I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
 is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
 technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
 one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
 main stream products accessible isthat we get treated the same as 
 the
 rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
 with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
 called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
 their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
 just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
 accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.
 
> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone.
> iOS
> is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
> blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
> fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
> happens.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
>> the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while
>> tapping
>> the screen at the same time a push notification comes through.
>> VoiceOVer
>> just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
>> turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
>> hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
>> and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I
>> hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8
>> Apple.
>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 rele

Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple
and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us
upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will
still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they
will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup,
that's the way it is!

On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> Sharonda,
>
> Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its
> making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is
> really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of
> their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is
> complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for
> a while
>
> Ron & Danvers
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sharonda Greenlaw
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
> VoiceOver
>
> Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete
> crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete
> crap. That's just one person's opin ion.
>
> Sharonda
> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for
>> example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
>>
>>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
>>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
>>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
>>> handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
>>> have supported it.
>>>
 On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
 First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
 However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
 I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
 The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on
 me.
 But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
 VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
 I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

 Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
 case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
 to toggle the voice on and off.

 Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
 try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in
 similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and
 then back on as well.

 I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
 bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
 technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
 IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
 making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
 the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
 we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then
 when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many
 people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit
 where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle
 Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be
 content with.

> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the
> iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO
> to catch up.
> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
> Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a
> year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
> Let's see what happens.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as
>> for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
>> while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification
>> comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button
>> and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is
>> already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing not

RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Ron Pelletier]

Sharonda,

Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its 
making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really 
worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their 
customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete 
crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while

Ron & Danvers
  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. 
It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's 
just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for 
> example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
> 
>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with 
>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't 
>> handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't 
>> have supported it.
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed 
>>> VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the 
>>> case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap 
>>> to toggle the voice on and off.
>>> 
>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, 
>>> try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in 
>>> similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and 
>>> then back on as well.
>>> 
>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver 
>>> bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone 
>>> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. 
>>> IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to 
>>> making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated 
>>> the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if 
>>> we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then 
>>> when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many 
>>> people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit 
>>> where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle 
>>> Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content 
>>> with.
>>> 
 On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the 
 iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to 
 catch up.
 Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. 
 Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a 
 year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. 
 Let's see what happens.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as 
> for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out 
> while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification 
> comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button 
> and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is 
> already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. 
> Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to 
> restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being 
> taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total 
> crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. 
> If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple 
> can be bothered to actually make som

RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Neal Ewers]

This is not a complaint, just an observation.

 

I know lots of companies that tie the release of their next version to a
particular time of year, and if it's not ready, well it just may go out
anyway. I'm guessing that there are a lot of mid level workers at apple who
likely knew this was not ready for prime time but the choice may have been
made for them by the higher ups. Those mid-level workers may be just as
frustrated as we are. After all, many of them use iOS 8 also. I just hope
the managers who set the time for this release didn't let so many bugs in
the house that it will be a very long process to kill them all.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Neal,

 

I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are impatient
that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't have time to
properly check them.  Having seen what has happened last year and this year
also, I still think that they feel that timing to put out the new product is
more important than coming out with the right thing from the get go.  They
set themselves a deadline and go crazy trying to stick to it and the result
is what we get.

I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the problems and
they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, people seem to
forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is ready.  When people
camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the first to get the new
product, I guess you don't have to worry about several dozen bugs.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that they
put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I
bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do
you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in
house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact,
break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I
am curious about who tests the updates they release.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine
it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma  wrote:

 

I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to
delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.

 

From: Rich Ring   

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Cc: Rich Ring   

Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the
update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding

Sent from my Mac Book Pro 

richr...@gmail.com

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male 
wrote:

 

Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading
it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you
beat me to it. LOL!

- Original Message -

From:   Cristóbal

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM

Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes,
but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any
improvements on their devices...

 

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RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Ron Pelletier]

Neal,

 

I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are impatient
that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't have time to
properly check them.  Having seen what has happened last year and this year
also, I still think that they feel that timing to put out the new product is
more important than coming out with the right thing from the get go.  They
set themselves a deadline and go crazy trying to stick to it and the result
is what we get.

I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the problems and
they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, people seem to
forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is ready.  When people
camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the first to get the new
product, I guess you don't have to worry about several dozen bugs.

 

Ron & Danvers

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that they
put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I
bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do
you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in
house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact,
break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I
am curious about who tests the updates they release.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine
it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma  wrote:

 

I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to
delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.

 

From: Rich Ring   

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Cc: Rich Ring   

Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the
update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding

Sent from my Mac Book Pro 

richr...@gmail.com

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male 
wrote:

 

Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading
it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you
beat me to it. LOL!

- Original Message -

From:   Cristóbal

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM

Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out

 

Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes,
but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any
improvements on their devices...

 

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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Len Burns]

I wouldn't go so far as saying it's a piece of crap, but what does concern me 
has been a recent pattern of poor quality assurance. Some problems with iOS 7 
were fixed, and some we just learn to live with. Apple has the appearance of a 
company that is pushing things out the door entirely too quickly. When one does 
that, there are always consequences. I am watching what's going on, and waiting 
the moment before I update to iOS8.

-Len

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> If you remember, the very same thing happened with the IOS 7 and the iPhone
> 4.  Apple said it would work but it turned out very slow and crashing. It
> did end up working very well when they cleaned out the bugs.  I suspect the
> same thing will happen here.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
> 
> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8
> are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the
> requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it.
> 
>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed 
>> VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the 
>> case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to 
>> toggle the voice on and off.
>> 
>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try 
>> a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in 
>> similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and 
>> then back on as well.
>> 
>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver 
>> bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone 
>> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, 
>> one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making 
>> their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same 
>> as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower 
>> the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we 
>> use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are 
>> quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is 
>> due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy 
>> with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.
>> 
>>> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. 
>>> iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch
> up.
>>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike 
>>> blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be 
>>> fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what 
>>> happens.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as 
 for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while 
 tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes 
 through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell 
 Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, 
 really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press 
 the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and 
 now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really
> impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
 I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap 
 and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you 
 haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be 
 bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is 
 obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and 
 VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least 
 listening to what Droid is doin
>> g, never thought I would 

Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Gail the U. S. Male]

LOL! funny charles. of course, the person meant KNFB reader.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Rivard 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:37 PM
  Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
Impressions


  Probably on one side or the other of a door.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Kerri 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
Impressions


where can I find knob?

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On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


  Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and 
you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for 
the purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of 
the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
and upgrade.

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  - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" 
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM
  Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk 
mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything 
else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I 
need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something 
frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is 
something I do not need to do.

  I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have 
back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, 
plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered.


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RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Ron Pelletier]

John,

If you remember, the very same thing happened with the IOS 7 and the iPhone
4.  Apple said it would work but it turned out very slow and crashing. It
did end up working very well when they cleaned out the bugs.  I suspect the
same thing will happen here.

Ron & Danvers
 

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Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8
are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the
requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it.

On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed 
> VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>
> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the 
> case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to 
> toggle the voice on and off.
>
> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try 
> a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in 
> similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and 
> then back on as well.
>
> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver 
> bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone 
> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, 
> one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making 
> their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same 
> as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower 
> the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we 
> use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are 
> quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is 
> due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy 
> with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.
>
> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. 
>> iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch
up.
>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike 
>> blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be 
>> fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what 
>> happens.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as 
>>> for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while 
>>> tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes 
>>> through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell 
>>> Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, 
>>> really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press 
>>> the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and 
>>> now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really
impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
>>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap 
>>> and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you 
>>> haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be 
>>> bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is 
>>> obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and 
>>> VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least 
>>> listening to what Droid is doin
> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 
> 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release 
> and the
> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.
>>>
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RE: Sending Audio In A Text.

[Jim Ruby]

You can also rase it to your hear to talk, then pull phone away and it will
send, at least it does this on the 5s.



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Of John Panarese
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

   Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages.  You have to double tap
and hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you
are done recording.


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> On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone;
> My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
> I am unable to reply.
> 
> I also upgraded to IOS8.
> 
> Please help?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Anthony 
> 
> 
> Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
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Re: Speak messages on locked screen?

[Dave Mitchel]

I think it is because you are special, and because of that I too am special!
it is a feature I miss and also cannot get it to work on my 5!


-Original Message- 
From: Anna Byrne

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speak messages on locked screen?

I O S 8.  I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my
screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7.  In
Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but
it doesn't speak when the screen is locked.  Is this true for
everyone, or am I just special???

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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Brian Fischler]

Wow David if that is true that is hilarious. What the heck is going on at Apple 
and when did they become such a clown company? LOL.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Actually, the update is not planned for release until next week. An Apple 
> engineer accidentally set it to public. Apple has already withdrawn the 
> update once they discovered the error.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 Sep 2014, at 07:36, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say it, but I am hopeful that today's IOS 8.0.1 debacle will only 
>> help VO development in the future as after today Apple has a lot of egg on 
>> its face and I guess it just goes to show that it's not only VoiceOver that 
>> is being very poorly tested, as Apple needs to really reassess its testing 
>> and may be slow down the releases of operating systems.
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm
>>> sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and
>>> better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the
>>> Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at
>>> least for now.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
 I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth
 and are a bit tolerant you will be fine.
 
> On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for
> the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks.
> Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix
> all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several
> have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS
> 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with
> everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to
>> me
>> re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is
>> annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to
>> what
>> it
>> has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email
>> so
>> that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo
>> again.
>> For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat
>> which
>> I
>> may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none
>> of
>> the above :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major
>>> problems.
>>> Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm
>>> willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille
>>> input,
>>> interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8
>>> features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the
>>> bugs,
>>> there's no harm at all in waiting.
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
 an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
 until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.
 
 Wayne
 
> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
> handle
> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
> supported it.
> 
>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS
>> 8.
>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on
>> me.
>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
>> VO
>> is
>> on, screen curtain

RE: Knfb reader and whole pages?

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

It should say all 4 sides are visible.  If you can't get that, try holding
your camera a bit higher.

Ron & Danvers
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jenifer Barr
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:23 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: Knfb reader and whole pages?

Hi all. I'm getting good scans with Knfb reader... but I can never get the
whole page to show up. My field of view report always says the top or bottom
edges are vissible... what should it say? Any advice? 


Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Speak messages on locked screen?

[Brian Fischler]

Sorry to disappoint you, you are not special, as I am having the problem to, 
and I think the notifications not being spoken in the lock screen but hearing 
the notification sound is one of the many many many bugs with VO in IOS8. 
On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Anna Byrne  wrote:

> I O S 8.  I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen 
> locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7.  In Accessibility 
> there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak when 
> the screen is locked.  Is this true for everyone, or am I just special???
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Re: iCloud

[Billy Maynard]

hi,

Thanks for all your responces.  Sometimes sadly I'm not clear   as to what I'm 
trying to accomplish.  I know but, getting it accross sometimes fails.  Thank 
you all for your time and help.  I hate to really get a 6+ running ios 8 
consitering problums people have but, verizon is only honouring the upgrade of 
a 4s value at $200 untill the 30 of September.  After that hte tradein value is 
only $40.  I'm between a rock and a hardplace thus.   I want to get the most 
tradein value I can so I have to upgrade now rather than later when ios 8 is a 
more stable thing.  

Again.  Tahnk you all for your time and assistance in my indever.  

Sincerely, 
Billy Maynard
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud


  Yes

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Billy Maynard  wrote:


hi again, 

I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings. 
 if I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after  reseting it Would my 
contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? 

As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well.  I'm using 
windows xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported.  Basicly I want my 
contacts from my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them 
when I get the 6+.  I'm sorry.  I don't hink I'm being really clear here.  

Billy Maynard

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud


  Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your 
contacts, bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're 
signed into iCloud. You don't need to take any other action.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
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  http://Mosen.org


On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard  wrote:


hello again,

I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the 
phone has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and 
sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and 
data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm not 
sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I want an 
d not the full phone backup.

Billy Maynard

- Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: iCloud


You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
screen as well as which apps are on the phone.

On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:

  hello,

  I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have 
contacts

  and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
  storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this 
setting on

  so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to 
download my
  contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first 
iPhone

  upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud 
is off

  it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the 
phone

  is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is 
why I
  never turned this on.

  Thanks for any help,

  Billy Maynard

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[Pam Berman]

Hello All!

My name is Pam, I'm totally blind & use voiceover exclusively. A friend just
told me about this list. I have some questions.

#1. What's the V for in the name of this list? Voiceover?

#2. I've got a 2 year old IPhone 4S with Sprint & am thinking of upgrading.
Do you recommend:

A.  The 5S

B.  The new 6

C.  I just wait awhile longer.

I really appreciate any feedback on this.

Thank You,

Pam

 

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Re: Creating ringtones from songs with iTunes

[Eve]

Hello,

I have been trying to put ringtones on my IPhone for about a week now.
I’ve tried the instruction in an e-mail and I can’t figure out a couple of 
things.
First:  When I get to the part about creating an AAC version, those settings 
are unavailable to me.
Second, I’ve also tried creating the ringtones using goldwav and making sure 
that I use the M4R extension to no avail.
I know I must be doing something wrong or missed a step somewhere.
Thanks!

Eve

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Re: Apple Accessibility

[Isaac Hebert]

I have also wrote to apple accessibility about the numbers sticking when 
dialing a phone number in to the keypad.
Isaac Hebert
hebertisaa...@gmail.com



On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> I can confirm what you said. I also reported a bug to Apple Accessibility and 
> along with the canned reply about that they had forwarded the message and so 
> on, there came a message in which someone asked questions about the bug in 
> question. Besides, in all the time i have had my IPhone i can't remember a 
> bug that hasn't been fixed, but it may take some time.
> /Krister
> 
>> 24 sep 2014 kl. 17:13 skrev John Diakogeorgiou :
>> 
>> I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple
>> Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago.
>> Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report.
>> This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are
>> reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and
>> informative fashion.
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Re: IOS 8 and Phone Calls

[Isaac Hebert]

No I haven't had any problems herring people on phone calls.
Isaac Hebert
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On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Blind Treasures  
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> Is anyone having issues with hearing people when making or receiving calls
> on their IPhone 5S? Several times since upgrading to IOS 8 I made calls and
> the person on the other end could not hear me. The same has happened when
> people have called me. 
> 
> "I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than
> live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway
> 
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Money Reader

[Anna Byrne]

In iOS 8, Looktel Money Reader does not turn on the camera light in 
order to see a bill.  VoiceOver says "Money reader running," but 
nothing happens after that.  it asked permission to access the 
camera, and I gave it.  Settings says it is using the back facing 
camera, which is what I expected.  But no identification is 
happening.  Is there a setting somewhere I am missing?  I deleted and 
reinstalled it, shut down the phone and shut it up again, ... no joy.


thanks for any help.

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Speak messages on locked screen?

[Anna Byrne]

I O S 8.  I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my 
screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7.  In 
Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but 
it doesn't speak when the screen is locked.  Is this true for 
everyone, or am I just special???


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Re: Knfb reader and whole pages? and new member!

[Colin Matthews]

Hi!
OK depending on how Jennifer, is trying to take the picture!
It might be the setting for field of view is set on Landscape and Jennifer, is 
putting the item and phone in portrait!
So I was wondering if changing the setting to Portrait will help Jennifer, and 
others having bad results in that rotation!
If I'm coming across right the phone is in portrait but the app is looking in 
landscape!
HTH Colin
 
On 24 Sep 2014, at 15:42, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Jennifer,
> 
> It should say that all 4 edges are visible. If you get the announcement that
> top and left or bottom and right or any combination of edges is visible you
> are either not lined up right or maybe you have to go a bit higher. Think of
> it that way: if it says top and right edge is visible, that means in order
> to also get the bottom edge you have to move down a bit. If you have the
> page in front of you in portrait mode that would mean closer to you. It also
> says the right edge is visible so you also have to move a bit to the left.
> If you do this and it now says top and left edge is visible you moved to far
> left but still not far enough down. If it suddenly says bottom and left is
> visible you moved too far down and too far left. I hope this makes sense to
> you.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jennifer Barr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:23 AM
> To: iPhone List
> Subject: Knfb reader and whole pages?
> 
> Hi all. I'm getting good scans with Knfb reader... but I can never get the
> whole page to show up. My field of view report always says the top or bottom
> edges are visible... what should it say? Any advice? 
> 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

Congratulations on your patience. You have to be an angel to have your phone
crash 10 to 15 times a day and still not regret upgrading to IOS 8

I wish I had your patience

Ron & Danvers


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is
on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

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Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that
your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice
on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as
well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is
compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies,
like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great
things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products
accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream
customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're
no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so
many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where
credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being
happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.

On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS
is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed,
Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as 
>> for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while 
>> tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes 
>> through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell 
>> Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, 
>> really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press 
>> the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and 
>> now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really 
>> impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with 
>> all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for 
>> the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and 
>> that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in 
>> that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other 
>> areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start 
>> at least listening to what Droid is doin
g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.
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Re: Bending iphones?

[Charles Rivard]

I've never been in an auto accident, but that won't stop me from wearing a seat 
belt.  Same goes for a motor cycle helmet when 4-wheeling or dirt biking 
through the desert near the Colorado river.  Same for getting my iPhone into a 
case.  Common sense tells me that protection may be needed, and if I don't get 
it, I might wish that I had done so later.  But, then would be too late.  I'm 
not forcing anyone to do what I think is best, but common sense tells me what 
to do.

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: Bending iphones?


  To each his/her own! I don't try to tell people who want cases that they are 
sissies for not having one or that they are being over-protective, because I 
don't think that; I think they believe they are making what is a wise decision 
for them. Those of us who choose to go caseless, especially those who have gone 
caseless since the 3gs, know the risks and responsibilities and have made what 
we feel is the best decision for us. To discuss the pros and cons is healthy 
and good, but let's not push people to do what we do in this area no matter how 
strongly we feel about it for ourselves.


  -- 
  Cheryl


  I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
  thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  "This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
  they are new every morning;
  great is your faithfulness."
  (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)








  On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


You don't want to be an alarmist, but that's exactly what your message 
makes you out to be.  No details given, and forwarding an apparent news blurb.

If this is true, though, to all those who have iPhones and do not see the 
need for a case, now, do you see a potential need??  Better be safe than sorry. 
 After all, thin aluminum is not rigid.  A good sturdy case, on the other hand, 
is.  A dollar in prevention is worth not having to replace an expensive phone.

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:17 AM
  Subject: Bending iphones?


 Hi,

  I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't specify 
6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around 
in their front shirt pockets.

  That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.

  Keith


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Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

Probably on one side or the other of a door.

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
Impressions


  where can I find knob?

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  On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and 
you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for 
the purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of 
the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
and upgrade.

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- Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, 
then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I 
am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I need to 
upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is 
a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not 
need to do.

I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have 
back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, 
plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered.


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Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

[Lori Dent]

Hi all,

I'm still using my iPhone 5 and still running ios 7.12. I will not update to 
ios 8  do to all the major bugs in ios 8. I will wait until the bugs in ios 8 
are fixed and the next update  will come out. Hopefully by then all the major 
bugs in ios 8 won't be in ios 8.1. 

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

[Charles Rivard]

Check the archives of the list.  Instructions were given not all that long ago.

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  Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two


  I would really like to downgrade back.
  I'm tired of these bugs.
  Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so?
  Thanks
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Re: One way Apple could better test its products

[Charles Rivard]

One day??  That would be nowhere near long enough.  How well were you able 
to use the iPhone after 1 day?


I think that a good source of information on testing would be the people who 
take calls on the phone number that especially for those who are 
handicapped.  I'm thinking that they would have a better feel for our 
difficulties in using the devices than any of the other tech reps.


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Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using 
VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft 
touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard 
shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I 
think people who want to develop products for people with differing 
abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, 
there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of 
shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result.


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RE: One way Apple could better test its products

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I did not write that message in response to any previous messages about
8.1 or 8.0. Just thought it would be a good idea. And yes, you're right
about the accessibility team. But I bet there are people at Apple who have
no clue what it is like to use their products as a person with a disability.
I think Of course, they will never know, in that they can always take off
their blindfolds or take out the ear plugs or take off the tented glasses.
But who knows, they may learn something along side the accessibility team.
Myself, I'd give a lot to know what it is like to operate the iPhone as a
sighted person. Smile.

Neal
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Hi Neil, that is what the Apple accessibility department for. I know that
they are a small team that is why they asked people like them to fix bugs.
They go on with voiceover. In this case, it was not a voice over issue that
was causing the problem. It was a service issue if you want to read all the
threads.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

> Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on
using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when
Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with
keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same
thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with
differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes.
Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of
pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result.
> 
> Neal
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Re: One way Apple could better test its products

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Hi Neil, that is what the Apple accessibility department for. I know that they 
are a small team that is why they asked people like them to fix bugs. They go 
on with voiceover. In this case, it was not a voice over issue that was causing 
the problem. It was a service issue if you want to read all the threads.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

> Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using 
> VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft 
> touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard 
> shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I 
> think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities 
> should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are 
> other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I 
> bet it would work better for everyone as a result.
> 
> Neal
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Re: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I think the speaker sounds a bit better.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> What about the speaker is that the same as earlier models or has it been 
> improved.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 24/09/2014 kl. 20.01 skrev Cheryl Homiak :
>> 
>> I apologize for the cross-post but I know there are quite a few people on 
>> the macvoiceover list who are not on the viphone list.
>> 
>> Yes, the 6+ is HUGE and THIN! Well, not really huge, I suppose, but huge in 
>> comparison with my 5 and 5S. I think it will be okay. It will give me a 
>> better opportunity to find things on the screen. Since I carry a fanny-pack 
>> around all the time with both phones and an assortment of those little 
>> Motorola hx550 bluetooth earphones and whatever else I may need, the size 
>> shouldn't be an issue for me. But honestly, I think those with pockets may 
>> want to look for a different carrying alternative, especially if your 5 or 
>> 5S fit perfectly but with not much room to spare. It's also definitely 
>> thinner and, one thing I hadn't known, the power button is placed 
>> differently. If I'm identifying correctly (it's still restoring from my 
>> iPhone 5 backup and syncing so I haven't locked/unlocked yet), the power 
>> button is not on the top right corner any more. Instead it is down the side 
>> a bit, the opposite side from the mute switch and volume buttons. It 
>> definitely has a different footprint from the 5 and 5S and most certainly 
>> from the 4S, but I think I will like it very much once I get used to it. I 
>> don't think the increased size makes it clunky; it still feels pretty to me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
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One way Apple could better test its products

[Neal Ewers]

Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using 
VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft 
touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard 
shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I 
think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities 
should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are 
other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I bet 
it would work better for everyone as a result.

Neal

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Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I think that you will find the 6 more comfortable than you think. It is very 
comfortable anc easy to use with two hands.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> So, you don't find all that extra tapping to be kind of a pain in the 
> backside? I guess that's good. It does seem rather inefficient. Not that they 
> have a choice. I don't have a better suggestion, except for perhaps they 
> might consider making another phone the size of the fives when the 5S is no 
> longer in production. Fat chance though, I suppose.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I 
>>> love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And 
>>> this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller 
>>> phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large 
>>> screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also 
>>> like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are 
>>> managing them one-handed.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[Mary Otten]

So, you don't find all that extra tapping to be kind of a pain in the backside? 
I guess that's good. It does seem rather inefficient. Not that they have a 
choice. I don't have a better suggestion, except for perhaps they might 
consider making another phone the size of the fives when the 5S is no longer in 
production. Fat chance though, I suppose.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
> wrote:
> 
> This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products.
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I 
>> love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And 
>> this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller 
>> phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large 
>> screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like 
>> to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them 
>> one-handed.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Macworld Daily 
>>> Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT
>>> To: motte...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
>>> Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Follow: 
>>>  09.24.2014  View in a Browser
>>> 
>>> Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
>>> 09.23.2014 1:10 PM
>>> Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old 
>>> iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 
>>> one-handed.
>>> 
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>>> 09.23.2014 12:20 PM
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>>> How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7
>>> 09.24.2014 3:30 AM
>>> iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well 
>>> with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can).
>>> 
>>> 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID
>>> 09.24.2014 3:00 AM
>>> From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build 
>>> Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps.
>>> 
>>> Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has 
>>> already solved
>>> 09.23.2014 1:24 PM
>>> Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little 
>>> else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does 
>>> natively.
>>> 
>>> Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug
>>> 09.24.2014 10:42 AM
>>> Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID 
>>> after updating their software.
>>> 
>>> Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers
>>> 09.24.2014 6:00 AM
>>> In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's 
>>> no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a 
>>> way to automatically create them.
>>> 
>>> The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new 
>>> iPhone, too
>>> 09.24.2014 4:00 AM
>>> Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products 
>>> made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 
>>> Plus.
>>> 
>>> Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications
>>> 09.23.2014 2:30 PM
>>> A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more 
>>> useful. And there's new compass support too.
>>> 
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>>> 09.24.2014 11:10 AM
>>> The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. 
>>> consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old 
>>> desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is 
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Re: iCloud

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Yes

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Billy Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi again,
>  
> I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings.  
> if I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after  reseting it Would my 
> contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? 
>  
> As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well.  I'm using 
> windows xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported.  Basicly I want my 
> contacts from my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them 
> when I get the 6+.  I'm sorry.  I don't hink I'm being really clear here. 
>  
> Billy Maynard
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jonathan Mosen
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: iCloud
> 
> Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, 
> bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into 
> iCloud. You don't need to take any other action.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> 
>> On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard  wrote:
>> 
>> hello again,
>> 
>> I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone 
>> has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and 
>> sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and 
>> data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm 
>> not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I 
>> want an d not the full phone backup.
>> 
>> Billy Maynard
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: iCloud
>> 
>> 
>> You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
>> backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
>> screen as well as which apps are on the phone.
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:
>>> hello,
>>> 
>>> I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts
>>> 
>>> and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
>>> storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting on
>>> 
>>> so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
>>> contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first iPhone
>>> 
>>> upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is off
>>> 
>>> it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the phone
>>> 
>>> is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
>>> never turned this on.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> 
>>> Billy Maynard
>>> 
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IPod nano 5th generation not being recognized by windows

[Jen Colley]

Hi  
I recently got an iPod nano 5th generation.  
I’ve managed to connect it once initially to my windows 7 computer.  
After that though, upon plugging it in, I get a message saying that windows 
cannot recognize this device.  
How do I fix this problem so my iPod will always connect.  
Jen  

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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[David Chittenden]

Actually, the update is not planned for release until next week. An Apple 
engineer accidentally set it to public. Apple has already withdrawn the update 
once they discovered the error.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Sep 2014, at 07:36, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I hate to say it, but I am hopeful that today's IOS 8.0.1 debacle will only 
> help VO development in the future as after today Apple has a lot of egg on 
> its face and I guess it just goes to show that it's not only VoiceOver that 
> is being very poorly tested, as Apple needs to really reassess its testing 
> and may be slow down the releases of operating systems.
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm
>> sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and
>> better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the
>> Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at
>> least for now.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>>> I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth
>>> and are a bit tolerant you will be fine.
>>> 
 On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
 Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for
 the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks.
 Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix
 all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several
 have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS
 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with
 everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy.
 
 Wayne
 
> On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to
> me
> re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is
> annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to
> what
> it
> has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email
> so
> that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo
> again.
> For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat
> which
> I
> may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none
> of
> the above :-)
> 
> --
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major
>> problems.
>> Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm
>> willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille
>> input,
>> interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8
>> features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the
>> bugs,
>> there's no harm at all in waiting.
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
>>> an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
>>> until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
 It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
 IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
 handle
 the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
 supported it.
 
> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS
> 8.
> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on
> me.
> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
> VO
> is
> on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:5

Re: 8.1?

[Charles Rivard]

8.1 is not available.  The one that was accidentally released today was 
pulled shortly after due to incompletion.


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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Olivia Norman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:45 PM
Subject: 8.1?


Where is 8.1?
Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone 
didn't see any new software.

Thoughts?
Olivia


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Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[John Diakogeorgiou]

This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I 
> love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And 
> this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller 
> phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen 
> market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know 
> how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them 
> one-handed.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Macworld Daily 
>> Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT
>> To: motte...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
>> Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com
>> 
>> 
>>  Follow: 
>>  09.24.2014  View in a Browser
>>  
>> Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
>> 09.23.2014 1:10 PM
>> Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old 
>> iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed.
>>  
>> iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones
>> 09.23.2014 12:20 PM
>> Are you sitting on it wrong?
>> -ADVERTISEMENT-
>>  
>>  
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>>  
>> Our award-winning editors keep you up to date
>>  
>>  
>> How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7
>> 09.24.2014 3:30 AM
>> iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well 
>> with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can).
>>  
>> 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID
>> 09.24.2014 3:00 AM
>> From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build 
>> Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps.
>>  
>> Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already 
>> solved
>> 09.23.2014 1:24 PM
>> Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little 
>> else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does 
>> natively.
>>  
>> Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug
>> 09.24.2014 10:42 AM
>> Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after 
>> updating their software.
>>  
>> Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers
>> 09.24.2014 6:00 AM
>> In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no 
>> longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way 
>> to automatically create them.
>>  
>> The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new 
>> iPhone, too
>> 09.24.2014 4:00 AM
>> Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products 
>> made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 
>> Plus.
>>  
>> Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications
>> 09.23.2014 2:30 PM
>> A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. 
>> And there's new compass support too.
>>  
>> Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most
>> 09.24.2014 11:10 AM
>> The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. 
>> consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old 
>> desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is 
>> waning a bit.
>>  
>>  
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Re: iCloud

[Billy Maynard]

hi again, 

I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings.  if 
I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after  reseting it Would my 
contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? 

As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well.  I'm using windows 
xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported.  Basicly I want my contacts from 
my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them when I get the 
6+.  I'm sorry.  I don't hink I'm being really clear here.  

Billy Maynard

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud


  Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, 
bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into 
iCloud. You don't need to take any other action.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard  wrote:


hello again,

I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone 
has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and 
sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and 
data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm not 
sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I want an 
d not the full phone backup.

Billy Maynard

- Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: iCloud


You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
screen as well as which apps are on the phone.

On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:

  hello,

  I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have 
contacts

  and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
  storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting 
on

  so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
  contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first 
iPhone

  upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is 
off

  it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the 
phone

  is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
  never turned this on.

  Thanks for any help,

  Billy Maynard

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RE: 8.1?

[Scott Erichsen]

8.1 is not out. 8.01 was released earlier today but pulled due to problems.
SO yes, your software is up to date.


-Original Message-
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Of Olivia Norman
Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2014 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 8.1?

Where is 8.1?
Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone
didn't see any new software.
Thoughts?
Olivia


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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

[Kathy Brandt]

Well, when I've tried to put a subject line in an audio message after I put in 
my subject, you only get the iMessage option. Conversely, you can't do an audio 
message and then try to get back to the subject line; it's not happening.



On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

Neither do I!



Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:25 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> I don't personally use the subject line in messages.  I would assume you 
> could though.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, I gather it's not possible to put text in the subject line when you're 
>> doing an audio message?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:37 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages.  You have to double tap and 
>> hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are 
>> done recording.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>> My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
>>> I am unable to reply.
>>> 
>>> I also upgraded to IOS8.
>>> 
>>> Please help?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Anthony 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
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Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello allI found the following on Facebook.
Basically don't update to the latest iOS 8.1. Here's the link!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10204496318545736&id=1623042232

*** Mickey Quenzer ***
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> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Yolanda  wrote:
> 
> It has been pulled now due to fp problems.
> 
>> On 9/24/2014 3:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Neal, this update was being tested internally even before 8.0 was put in 
>> the hands of the public. It also went out to carriers. But developers didn't 
>> get it, which is standard practice. The next release developers are likely 
>> to test will be 8.1, rather than an update to 8.0.
>> Today's developments have ended what patience I had left with Apple. The 
>> good thing about this mess is that I don't think there is now any question 
>> about whether Apple's commitment to accessibility is waining. Clearly it's 
>> as strong as ever. What we're dealing with instead is a crisis in Apple's 
>> quality assurance that affects more than just blind people. Heads need to 
>> roll. Apple has a very solid reputation, but iOS 8 is starting to turn into 
>> a debacle.
>> I am grateful, and thankful, for my Apple products, but I also paid decent 
>> money for them as did all the professionals who have lost money today 
>> because they updated in good faith and got no cell service at the end of the 
>> process. We're entitled to expect the devices to work as advertised, that's 
>> just a matter of consumer law and good faith.
>> Apple is one of the world's wealthiest companies, with sufficient money to 
>> throw at improving their testing process. It needs to be done, and we do 
>> them no favours by giving them a free pass on what is a series of serious 
>> errors. People in all kinds of professions rely on these devices. If the 
>> narrative develops that the devices can't be relied on anymore, Apple are 
>> sunk.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I applaud Apple’s quick update release. What is bothersome is that they 
>>> put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. 
>>> I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, 
>>> do you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in 
>>> house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact, 
>>> break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I 
>>> am curious about who tests the updates they release.
>>>  
>>> Neal
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>>>  
>>> FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine 
>>> it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6.
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I updated and didn’t have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to 
>>> delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.
>>>  
>>> From: Rich Ring
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: Rich Ring
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>>>  
>>> However, I’ve heard that some users are losing cell service and that the 
>>> update also breaks touch ID. I think I’ll wait!
>>> 
>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>> Fielding
>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>>> richr...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading 
>>> it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but 
>>> you beat me to it. LOL!
 - Original Message -
 From: Cristóbal
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM
 Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out
  
 Checking the changelong, there’s no specific mention of accessibility 
 fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice 
 any improvements on their devices…
  
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Re: 8.1?

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello Olivia, it was pulled because somebody had accidentally hit the submit 
button. It wasn't supposed to come out to the public till next week. In court 
until one of the engineers day helps develop.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Olivia Norman  wrote:

> Where is 8.1?
> Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't 
> see any new software.
> Thoughts?
> Olivia
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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8.1?

[Olivia Norman]

Where is 8.1?
Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't 
see any new software.
Thoughts?
Olivia


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Fwd: Problem with pdf files

[denise avant]

The problem I reported with respect to Alex and pdf files in Ibooks seems 
spsecific to Alex. I switched to Samantha and I did not hear the objct 
replacement character at the end of every page. I am running 8.0 but I guess 
there has been an update, which I will try to see if that solves the problem.


Begin forwarded message:

> From: denise avant 
> Subject: Problem with pdf files
> Date: September 24, 2014 at 3:55:45 PM CDT
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have upgraded to IOS 8  on my Ipad. I am reading an pdf file in ibooks. At 
> the end of every page Alex repeatedly says object repplacement character. I 
> have the punctuation to none. But nothing changed. Has anyone had this 
> problem?
> I have not seen this before updating
> 
> 
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> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
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Update on answering calls with iPad

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

Ok! Here it is. When I turn hand off off and on again, sometimes it works. You 
don't have to do it with a person with an iDevice. It will work with landlines 
and other phone users. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to make this work 
all of the time?

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU 
ARE THE WORLD!

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Re: text notifications stopped working

[Debbie Worstman]

Check your do not disturb settings, this was happening to my friend. She had to 
turn do not disturb off.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, something does not make sense here.  I am not getting any notifications 
> for text sounds.  I upgraded this afternoon, the messages are coming in
> I can see them in messages, but no sound is playing for texts.  This makes no 
> sense.  I have literally changed nothing.  Any ideas?
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why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. 
It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's 
just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for 
> example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
> 
>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
>> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
>> supported it.
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is
>>> on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
>>> that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
>>> the voice on and off.
>>> 
>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
>>> triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
>>> situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
>>> on as well.
>>> 
>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
>>> is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
>>> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
>>> one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
>>> main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the
>>> rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
>>> with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
>>> called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
>>> their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
>>> just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
>>> accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.
>>> 
 On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS
 is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
 Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
 blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
 fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
 happens.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
> the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping
> the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer
> just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
> turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
> hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
> and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I
> hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a
> really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't
> upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
> actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
> engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom
> of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is
> doin
>>> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
>>> and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the
>>> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.
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I CAN RUN ALEX FASTER WITH THE 8.01 UPGRADE!!!

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Everyone;

As the subject line says, I can run Alex faster with the 8.1 upgrade.

And, when I use the touch-typing mode, the timing between the letters is longer.

It seems to be more forgiving.

Anthony 


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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Jim Fettgather]

Russ, I would sure like to know how you work around the Safari bug with 
Voiceover and  IOS 8.
Thanks.

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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian 
for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.


On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
supported it.

On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:

First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is
on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
the voice on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
on as well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the
rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.

On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS
is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
happens.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping
the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer
just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I
hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a
really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't
upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom
of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is
doin

g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.


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Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present

[Jim Fettgather]

I have not yet experienced any cellular instability or connection 
problems--at least, so far.


Will there be an update to the update?

-Original Message- 
From: matthew dyer

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present

H,

You must have gotton the update just before it was pulled.  Are you
having issues with cellier connectivity?  there was an artical regarding
this so was wondering.

Matthew

On 09/24/2014 02:52 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:

It appears as if when you activate any link on any web page in Safari
when running Voiceover, the moment you activate the Back button,
complete instability occurs, it is not possible to flick through the
content of the page, no links or headings typically are being reported
in the rotor, and the page is generally just not navigable in any way.

I sure hope they can fix that one.



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text notifications stopped working

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

OK, something does not make sense here.  I am not getting any 
notifications for text sounds.  I upgraded this afternoon, the messages 
are coming in
I can see them in messages, but no sound is playing for texts.  This 
makes no sense.  I have literally changed nothing.  Any ideas?


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Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[Kathy Metters]

Hello I am loving my iPhone six. I use it one handed all the time. Touching the 
home button twice, bring all icons towards the bottoms of the screen. My 
annoying problems are all with iOS 8! 

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I 
> love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And 
> this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller 
> phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen 
> market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know 
> how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them 
> one-handed.
> Mary
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RE: Bending iPhone?

[Rose Combs]

Yes, actually I saw a keyboard one could roll up, It was strange and I did not 
feel that comfortable typing on it but then, I use a standard keyboard all day 
long at work so, those with small keys or oddly placed keys are not my friends. 
 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bending iphones?

 



Ever seen a rubber keyboard?They do exist, so, maybe, this 
could be a thing of the future.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

Oh, that would be hilarious! I guess I'd better not laugh to hard because 
someday it may happen: something in settings that says "choose shape for 
iPhone"!

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





Hi Teresa, yes, I sure hope Apple makes on I can just roll up and shove into my 
pocket. Unfortunately this will probably be the iPhone 59 or something like 
that.

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:33 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bending iphones?

 

I rememer once using aluminum canes that bowed almost as soon as I touched 
them. It's an aluminum characteristic. Maybe someday the iPhone will actually 
be flexible in an intentional sense. Until that point, let's be careful. :)

 

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Steve <  
pipeguy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Because of the aluminum frame in the iPhone 6, it will bend.  There are lots of 
videos on the net and some complaints on social networks like Twitter about it 
bending.  It is most vulnerable near the buttons.

 

Steve

- Original Message -

From:   Sieghard Weitzel

To:   viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:48 AM

Subject: RE: Bending iphones?

 

I guess we’ll hear more about it if there is a real issue. My first response 
here is that just from being in a shirt pocket the iPhone won’t bend. Give it a 
hard enough impact and it will probably bend. I am actually speaking from my 
own experience since I bent my 5S this summer. I had it in the back pocket of a 
pair of shorts when I took my dog for a walk to the river. I stepped on a rock 
which rolled out from under my foot and I was on a fairly steep downhill slope 
so I just sort of fell down on my behind on about fist-size rocks. Since the 
iPhone was in my back pocket I sat on it and at first it seemed OK, once I got 
home I noticed a gap between the touch screen and the top edge of the stainless 
steel frame big enough to stick a dime through. The phone was working fine and 
a few weeks later when I was in Vancouver I took it to an Apple Store and since 
I had bought Apple Care which covers 2 accidental damages, I was able to have 
it replaced with a new phone for a $79 fee, I guess you can call it a 
deductible since I see Apple Care as an insurance.

My nephew whose parents (my brother and his wife) have a cattle ranch got 
knocked against a fence post by an unfriendly cow and he bent his iPhone 5. 
It’s a minor bent and his phone has been working like that for over a year.

I think one would have to know the “rest of the story” as Paul Harvey used to 
say to see why the iPhone 6 Plus in question got bent. For all I know somebody 
is just trying to give Apple a bad name (again) with such a story, but I guess 
we’ll find out if this is a real issue or a manufactured one.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bending iphones?

 

   Hi,

 

I don’t want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn’t specify 
6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around 
in their front shirt pockets.

 

That

RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Rose Combs]

I will and I have the money, it will be done before I discuss remodeling the 
kitchen, or moving again.  

BTW, I used Talking Goggles to assure myself that my oven was set where I 
wanted it, it took a bit to get the result but much better than guessing and 
getting it wrong.  


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and you 
probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the 
purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the 
phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
and upgrade.

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From: "Rose Combs" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, 
then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. 
I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I need 
to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous 
is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do 
not need to do.

I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back 
for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I 
work, would not be here when it would be delivered.


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RE: KNFB reader rocks!

[Rose Combs]

Wow! Still using a 4S?  Mine triggers the voiceover reset about 90% of the
time.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB reader rocks!


Hi all, 
I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop. They have a menu mounted on the
wall behind the cash register. 
I took a picture of the menu... Worked pretty well! 



Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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RE: Bending iPhone?

[Rose Combs]

When I get mine, I am getting an Otterbox for it also.  I carry mine inside
a pocket and clip it to the pocket about 98% of the time, want to continue
doing that so I will go for the 6 rather than the plus, would live the
better battery life but the size may not work with me.  

 

 

 

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Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bending iphones?

 

   Hi,

 

I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't
specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying
them around in their front shirt pockets.

 

That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.

 

Keith

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RE: Maps - Location Off

[DJ]

You might also give google maps a try.  It is good and it is free.
 
DJ
 

  _  

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Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Maps - Location Off


Only being a few address is normal for any GPS.  They range from being as
far off as from 15 to 50 feet.  The average inaccuracy is about 15 to 30
feet.  So, what you're experiencing is perfectly normal.  The weather and
surroundings can affect the accuracy.  You should never rely solely on any
GPS for mobility, although it is a great tool as an addition to your own
mobility skills.  On a regular basis, I use Navigon, or the Seeing Eye app,
and am starting to use the Maps app that is built into the iPhone 5.

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- Original Message - 
From: Sherry Wells   
To: viphone   
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:01 AM
Subject: Maps - Location Off

Hi all,
 
I'm a new IPhone user & have a 5s.  I've been playing around with maps an
noticed my location is always slightly off where I really am.  At home maps
has me in the address next door for instance.  This isn't even consistent as
once, maps had me several addresses down the street.  I have tried a couple
of other locations too & maps is always slightly off.  Is this normal?  And
if one were to use maps to get anywhere, would you end up a door or two down
from where you really wanted to go?  At this point, I would not have any
confidence in using maps.  Do others use it or does everyone just get one of
the better gps apps?  Thanks.
 
Regards,
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Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Kerri]

I tried to update on my iPd, no dice, tried it on the phone, the update isn't 
available. Well it looks like we will live in bug land for a while yet. 
Sent from my buggy iPhone

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On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Trea Abma  wrote:

> I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to 
> delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.
>  
> From: Rich Ring
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Rich Ring
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>  
> However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the 
> update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!
> 
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> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male  
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading 
>> it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you 
>> beat me to it. LOL!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Cristóbal
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM
>> Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>>  
>> Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes, 
>> but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any 
>> improvements on their devices...
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Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present

[matthew dyer]

H,

You must have gotton the update just before it was pulled.  Are you 
having issues with cellier connectivity?  there was an artical regarding 
this so was wondering.


Matthew

On 09/24/2014 02:52 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:

It appears as if when you activate any link on any web page in Safari
when running Voiceover, the moment you activate the Back button,
complete instability occurs, it is not possible to flick through the
content of the page, no links or headings typically are being reported
in the rotor, and the page is generally just not navigable in any way.

I sure hope they can fix that one.



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Fwd: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I 
love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And 
this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones 
won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, 
since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those 
of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed.
Mary


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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Russ Kiehne]

The only Issue I have is with the Safari bug but I’ve found a work around until 
Apple fixes this issue.  I have ios 8 on my ipod touch 5th generation and won’t 
be updating my ipad mini.

From: Alex Hall 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. Yes, 
VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing to put 
up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive 
notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a 
personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at all 
in waiting.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:


  So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
  an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
  until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.

  Wayne

  On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:

It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
supported it.

On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:

  First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
  However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
  I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
  The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
  But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO
  is
  on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
  I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
  Behalf
  Of Christopher Chaltain
  Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

  Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
  that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
  the voice on and off.

  Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
  triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
  situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
  on as well.

  I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
  is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
  technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
  one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
  main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the
  rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
  with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
  called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
  their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
  just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
  accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.

  On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone.
iOS
is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
happens.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


  On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

  I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
  the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while
  tapping
  the screen at the same time a push notification comes through.
  VoiceOVer
  just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
  turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
  hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
  and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as 
I
  hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8
  Apple.
  I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap 
and
  a
  really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't
  upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
  actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
  engine

RE: Braille Keyboard in iOs8

[Nicki Keck]

Yeah I can't either.  The podcasts make it sound so easy.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Keyboard in iOs8

 

Yes, and no matter what I do I can't get things to come out normally. I
thought it was just me; glad to know others are having this problem, even if
it proves to be yet one more bug.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Sandy Finley mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com> > wrote:





When I calibrate the dots on the Braille keyboard there is a difference in
Table and Away modes. In Table mode dots 1, 2, and 3 appear on the right of
the cell; in Away mode they appear on the left. This means that the Table
Mode produces a backwards Braille cell. Is anyone else having this issue?

 

 

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Re: Apple Accessibility

[Russ Kiehne]

Likewise, I just received an email from them earlier today.

-Original Message- 
From: John Diakogeorgiou

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Accessibility

I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple
Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago.
Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report.
This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are
reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and
informative fashion.

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RE: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!

[Corey Michael Cook]

As some news reports seem to show I would be very careful about putting that
phone in a pocket. Please get a case for it.

 

 

Corey Cook

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  corey.coo...@gmail.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!

 

Hi.

 

What about the speaker is that the same as earlier models or has it been
improved.

 

Best regards Annie.

Den 24/09/2014 kl. 20.01 skrev Cheryl Homiak :





I apologize for the cross-post but I know there are quite a few people on
the macvoiceover list who are not on the viphone list.

 

Yes, the 6+ is HUGE and THIN! Well, not really huge, I suppose, but huge in
comparison with my 5 and 5S. I think it will be okay. It will give me a
better opportunity to find things on the screen. Since I carry a fanny-pack
around all the time with both phones and an assortment of those little
Motorola hx550 bluetooth earphones and whatever else I may need, the size
shouldn't be an issue for me. But honestly, I think those with pockets may
want to look for a different carrying alternative, especially if your 5 or
5S fit perfectly but with not much room to spare. It's also definitely
thinner and, one thing I hadn't known, the power button is placed
differently. If I'm identifying correctly (it's still restoring from my
iPhone 5 backup and syncing so I haven't locked/unlocked yet), the power
button is not on the top right corner any more. Instead it is down the side
a bit, the opposite side from the mute switch and volume buttons. It
definitely has a different footprint from the 5 and 5S and most certainly
from the 4S, but I think I will like it very much once I get used to it. I
don't think the increased size makes it clunky; it still feels pretty to me.

 

 

 

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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

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How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

[Jerry Mader]

I would really like to downgrade back.
I'm tired of these bugs.
Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so?
Thanks
Jerry Mader

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Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Kerri]

where can I find knob?
***
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On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

> Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and you 
> probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the 
> purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of 
> the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
> fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
> and upgrade.
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM
> Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
> 
> 
> I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, 
> then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I 
> am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I need 
> to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something 
> frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is 
> something I do not need to do.
> 
> I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back 
> for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus 
> I work, would not be here when it would be delivered.
> 
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Re: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

What about the speaker is that the same as earlier models or has it been 
improved.

Best regards Annie.
Den 24/09/2014 kl. 20.01 skrev Cheryl Homiak :

> I apologize for the cross-post but I know there are quite a few people on the 
> macvoiceover list who are not on the viphone list.
> 
> Yes, the 6+ is HUGE and THIN! Well, not really huge, I suppose, but huge in 
> comparison with my 5 and 5S. I think it will be okay. It will give me a 
> better opportunity to find things on the screen. Since I carry a fanny-pack 
> around all the time with both phones and an assortment of those little 
> Motorola hx550 bluetooth earphones and whatever else I may need, the size 
> shouldn't be an issue for me. But honestly, I think those with pockets may 
> want to look for a different carrying alternative, especially if your 5 or 5S 
> fit perfectly but with not much room to spare. It's also definitely thinner 
> and, one thing I hadn't known, the power button is placed differently. If I'm 
> identifying correctly (it's still restoring from my iPhone 5 backup and 
> syncing so I haven't locked/unlocked yet), the power button is not on the top 
> right corner any more. Instead it is down the side a bit, the opposite side 
> from the mute switch and volume buttons. It definitely has a different 
> footprint from the 5 and 5S and most certainly from the 4S, but I think I 
> will like it very much once I get used to it. I don't think the increased 
> size makes it clunky; it still feels pretty to me.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
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> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
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Re: Apple Accessibility

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Annie, interesting. What about on your iThing?
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> On 25/09/2014, at 10:17 am, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan.
> 
> I tried with safari, and I could not use some of the boxes where you have to 
> choose, with safari on my mac.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 24/09/2014 kl. 23.03 skrev Jonathan Mosen  >:
> 
>> Hi Siegard, I found it pretty useable if you use it with Safari though.
>> Jonathan Mosen
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>>> On 25/09/2014, at 5:21 am, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just email accessibil...@apple.com . There 
>>> was/is a bug report form on the developer portal for reporting bugs during 
>>> the beta cycle. Unfortunately Apple designed it so that's it is all but 
>>> inaccessible for a screenreader user. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility
>>>  
>>> Is there a bug-report form, or do we write an email to 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com  in our own words?
>>> 
>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I can confirm what you said. I also reported a bug to Apple Accessibility 
 and along with the canned reply about that they had forwarded the message 
 and so on, there came a message in which someone asked questions about the 
 bug in question. Besides, in all the time i have had my IPhone i can't 
 remember a bug that hasn't been fixed, but it may take some time.
 /Krister
 
 
> 24 sep 2014 kl. 17:13 skrev John Diakogeorgiou  >:
>  
> I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple
> Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago.
> Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report.
> This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are
> reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and
> informative fashion.
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RE: handoff

[Steve & Shannon Cook]

Where do you go to turn it off?

Steve and Shannon Cook
Today I married my best friend.  
The one that I laugh with, live for, love.
October 11, 2003 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: handoff

Correct, 2 or more iDevices or at least 1 iDevice and 1 Mac computer with
the new, soon to be released operating system. If you don't use it,
definitely turn it off as it will use less battery without handoff enabled.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Billy Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: handoff

hello everyone,

I'm planning on getting an iPhone 6+ after an update to ios 8 hopefully
fixes some of the bugs.
I'd like a quick clarification of handoff. If I'm understanding it right
this feature is kinda unneeded unless you have 2 or more apple divices
right?

Thanks for your responces,
Billy Maynard

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Re: Apple Accessibility

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Jonathan.

I tried with safari, and I could not use some of the boxes where you have to 
choose, with safari on my mac.

Best regards Annie.
Den 24/09/2014 kl. 23.03 skrev Jonathan Mosen :

> Hi Siegard, I found it pretty useable if you use it with Safari though.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 25/09/2014, at 5:21 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Just email accessibil...@apple.com. There was/is a bug report form on the 
>> developer portal for reporting bugs during the beta cycle. Unfortunately 
>> Apple designed it so that's it is all but inaccessible for a screenreader 
>> user. 
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility
>>  
>> Is there a bug-report form, or do we write an email to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com in our own words?
>> 
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I can confirm what you said. I also reported a bug to Apple Accessibility 
>>> and along with the canned reply about that they had forwarded the message 
>>> and so on, there came a message in which someone asked questions about the 
>>> bug in question. Besides, in all the time i have had my IPhone i can't 
>>> remember a bug that hasn't been fixed, but it may take some time.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
 24 sep 2014 kl. 17:13 skrev John Diakogeorgiou :
  
 I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple
 Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago.
 Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report.
 This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are
 reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and
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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

[Anthony Vece]

Neither do I!



Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:25 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  I don't personally use the subject line in messages.  I would assume you 
> could though.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, I gather it's not possible to put text in the subject line when you're 
>> doing an audio message?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:37 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages.  You have to double tap and 
>> hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are 
>> done recording.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>> My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
>>> I am unable to reply.
>>> 
>>> I also upgraded to IOS8.
>>> 
>>> Please help?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Anthony 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
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Re: iCloud

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Billy, yes. you can. As long as you're signed into iCloud on your old phone, 
your contacts etc will be there when you sign in on your new one. Also, backing 
up to iCloud doesn't mean that any of your available 5GB will be used for apps. 
It's only used for data associated with your apps. So chances are the 5GB you 
have will be sufficient to perform a full backup. iCloud only keeps a record of 
your ownership of the apps and where they live on your phone, it doesn't back 
up your actual apps.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 25/09/2014, at 9:44 am, Billy Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Let me try to be more clear on hat I want.
> settings|icloud
> contacts and sefary are on.
> settings|icloud|storage and data
> avalable 5 gig of 5 gig
> icloud backup is of.
> 
> When I get my new iPhone can I log into icloud
> and have my contacts and sefary bookmarks on the iPhone 6+?
> 
> If not, How would  I accomplish this?
> 
> thanks,
> Billy Maynard
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Billy Maynard" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: iCloud
> 
> 
> hello again,
> 
> I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone
> has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and
> sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and
> data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm
> not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I
> want an d not the full phone backup.
> 
> Billy Maynard
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: iCloud
> 
> 
> You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
> backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
> screen as well as which apps are on the phone.
> 
> On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:
>> hello,
>> 
>> I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts
>> 
>> and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
>> storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting on
>> 
>> so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
>> contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first iPhone
>> 
>> upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is off
>> 
>> it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the phone
>> 
>> is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
>> never turned this on.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> 
>> Billy Maynard
>> 
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Backing Up Phone Before Getting New 6 Plus was RE: iCloud

[Alan Lemly]

Billy, I would strongly recommend that you do an encrypted backup to your
computer with iTunes before getting your new 6 plus. You will also need to
sync the 4S to your computer to ensure that all your apps are backed up
before restoring to your new phone.

I saw your later message and maybe you're not interested in backing
everything up and plan to start fresh with your new phone. If you do want it
all backed up, do an encrypted backup to your computer via iTunes and make
sure you sync and also install iTunes 11.4 which is required for the iPhone
6 before you do a restore.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Billy Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iCloud

hello,

I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts 
and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of 
storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting on 
so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my 
contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first iPhone

upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is off 
it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the phone 
is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I 
never turned this on.

Thanks for any help,

Billy Maynard

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Re: compiling comprehensive bug list from IOS 8 users.

[David]

no. but it is me and my sister, who are compiling the list, and we gave her 
Email address, so these lists wouldn't get cluttered!



- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: compiling comprehensive bug list from IOS 8 users.


Since your name is not either Maria or Joe, they won't be coming to you.
Furthermore, I think people are being quite proactive. I know a number of
people, including myself, who have sent their knowledge of bugs to Apple.
And as I read reports in the last few days, it is not just the people who
are blind who are having trouble. I hope Apple gets this right. There is a
lot to get right.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: compiling comprehensive bug list from IOS 8 users.

if you read the Email, i said not to send them to me.

people can send their bugs reports as and how they choose.

as it says in the post, no one is forced to contribute, if they don't want!

But there is nothing rong, with being a little more proactive.

Take care!

Dave.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: compiling comprehensive bug list from IOS 8 users.


Actually, I think it would be better if instead of sending these to you,
people reported them to Apple. That way, there would be a lot more emails
going to Apple rather than 1 message with a list of bugs.



Neal





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria and Joe Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: compiling comprehensive bug list from IOS 8 users.



HI.



since my brother and I are both iPhone users, we wanted to do something to
help get the bugs fixed more quickly in iOS 8.  We are wanting to compile a
list of bugs people are experiencing.  I know apple vis have compiled a list
of bugs, but we are wanting to compile a list, as well, so we can point out
to apple that real people are trying to live with these bugs and use their
phone, or else haven't updated due to the number of bugs.  Besides I think
the more emails apple get from users the better.  Also there may be bugs
that haven't made it to the apple vis list yet as we've noticed from being
on various tech lists, as people experiment with their phones..  So. to help
us in this endeavour, we would like anyone experiencing bugs to send us a
list of bugs. Please be clear about the problem and if possible outline the
steps to reproducing the bug, in other words what you were doing when the
bug occurred, your iPhone model etc. or whether you are using voice over,
zoom etc. All the bug reports you send will be compiled in to one email.  If
you wish to have your name in the bug report, then feel free to put your
name at the bottom of the report, if you wish to remain anonymous then,
that's fine too.  I know there will be another update, but it doesn't hurt
to keep accessibility related bugs at the four front of their minds.

Please no flaming, or time wasting.  I f you don't think this is a good idea
simply don't reply.

Please, reply off list to

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com





Cheers

Maria



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Re: Lost shortcuts on iPhone and no longer syncing

[Jennie Facer]

I had this problem too, but it resolve itself. I just tried to restart the 
phone, and all of a sudden they appeared again. Hope this helps.
Jen

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU 
ARE THE WORLD!

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Brett C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello good people,
> 
> After updating iPhone to iOs 8, the shortcuts I sync between my Mac and 
> iPhone no longer work. I lost all the shortcuts on the phone, but they remain 
> on the Mac. When I create a new shortcut on the phone, it appears on the Mac 
> as well. When I create a new shortcut on the Mac, it does not appear on the 
> phone. 
> I've toggled off and on documents and data in iCloud on both the iPhone and 
> Mac, but this didn't reinstall the shortcuts on the phone or instigate 
> syncing. I've been searching on the internet with no luck. I'm hoping someone 
> here will have wisdom to share.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brett C.
> 
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Fwd: IOS 8.0.1 released, maybe

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all. I got this email from the Peal The Apple mailing list. Perhaps this 
will answer some questions as to why iOS8.0.1 was pulled.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Subject: Re: IOS 8.0.1 released, maybe
> Date: September 24, 2014 at 1:55:36 PM CDT
> To: "Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)" , "Getting to the core of 
> apple products and software, 1 peel at a time!" 
> 
> From: Ed Redfern via Peel-the-apple 
> Reply-To: Ed Redfern , "Getting to the core of 
> apple products and software, 1 peel at a time!" 
> 
> 
> This is an urgent note to all users of this list.
> 
> I have received information that the iOS8.01 update fix was posted 
> accidentally as it is still in final stages of testing, it is not complete.
> 
> anyone receiving the message to update MUST NOT update. this message will 
> hopefully stop displaying once the system catches up with itself. 
> 
> I say again. Please DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPDATE your iphone / iPad until it is 
> made official. this is to protect your iDevice from any harm caused.
> 
> iOS 8.01 is only available to developers at present for final testing and 
> compiling.
> 
> Sincerest apologies.
> 
> Ed
> 
> Ed Redfern.
> Certified Apple Hardware / Software engineer / Developer. For assistance with 
> apple products, please contact via:
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>  wrote:
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>> Hello. Someone from another list told me that Apple has already pulled it 
>> off the server because of issues with cell service and touch ID.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Scott Granados via Peel-the-apple
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:30 PM
>> To: Getting to the core of apple products and software, 1 peel at a time!
>> Subject: IOS 8.0.1 released, maybe
>> 
>> I am getting a ton of alerts that IOS 8.0.1 has been released including from 
>> CNBC but I’m not able to download it yet.  
>> 
>> See more here
>> 
>> www.cnet.com/.../apple-releases-ios-8-0-1-a-week-after-ios-8-launch/ 
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Re: iCloud

[Billy Maynard]

hi,

Let me try to be more clear on hat I want.
settings|icloud
contacts and sefary are on.
settings|icloud|storage and data
avalable 5 gig of 5 gig
icloud backup is of.

When I get my new iPhone can I log into icloud
and have my contacts and sefary bookmarks on the iPhone 6+?

If not, How would  I accomplish this?

thanks,
Billy Maynard

- Original Message - 
From: "Billy Maynard" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: iCloud


hello again,

I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone
has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and
sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and
data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm
not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I
want an d not the full phone backup.

Billy Maynard

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: iCloud


You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
screen as well as which apps are on the phone.

On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:

hello,

I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have 
contacts


and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting 
on


so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first 
iPhone


upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is 
off


it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the 
phone


is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
never turned this on.

Thanks for any help,

Billy Maynard

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Re: Alex, where are you?

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hmmm, I haven't tried Alex on my 6+ yet but he doesn't sound fuzzy or distorted 
to me on my 5S. In fact, I don't really like him on the Mac but do on iOS; 
still do prefer Karen though. But speech and voices are such an individual 
thing.

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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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great is your faithfulness."
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On Sep 24, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Alan Paganelli  
wrote:

> I have an iPhone 5s but he doesn't sound distorted.  I'd call it fuzzy.  One 
> would think that for an 869 Meg download that the quality would be a bit 
> better.  I'm certainly very glad I didn't have to pay for this voice or I 
> would be demanding my money back.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Alan
>  
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>  
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>  
> Please click on: 
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> - Original Message -
> From: christopher hallsworth
> To: Viphone
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Alex, where are you?
> 
> To me Alex sounds the same on both a Macbook Pro and iPad Mini. Comments 
> suggest he sounds distorted on an iPhone though.
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> On 23 Sep 2014, at 18:13, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I'm curious how he compares on the Mac and on the iThings. Have you  
>> heard him on the Mac? Is he different on a mobile device than on the Mac?
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think he sounds quite bad actually. At slow speed it's OK, but personally 
>>> I don't like it and find the original female high quality voice much 
>>> clearer.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Teresa Cochran
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:35 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Alex, where are you?
>>> I have a somewhat related question: how does Alex sound on the iThingies 
>>> compared to his quality on the Mac? Does he not sound quite as good in iOS8?
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> First of all, Alex only works on devices with a 64 bit processor which as 
>>> for old phones is only the 5S. Neither the 5 nor even the 5C has a 64 bit 
>>> processor. For the iPad family last year's iPad Air and iPad Mini Retina 2 
>>> are the only devices which support Alex and no current iPod Touch supports 
>>> him.
>>> Of course the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus do also have a 64 bit processor, the 
>>> A8, one generation ahead from the A7 which is in the 5S, ipad Air and iPad 
>>> Mini Retina.
>>> If you have one of these devices, you will find the option to download Alex 
>>> in Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Speech. Double tap on 
>>> Default Dialect and here you will find Alex or, if you want the default 
>>> voice to be the current high quality female voice, just add a language, 
>>> select English US and then download Alex by double tapping on the More 
>>> button to the right of the US English voice. This will allow you to turn 
>>> the rotor to languages and flick back and forth between the current high 
>>> quality voice and Alex. I recommend this because while opinions vary hugely 
>>> when it comes to TTS voices, I don't think very much of Alex on the iPhone, 
>>> I find the voice sounds muffled and a lot less clear than the old high 
>>> quality female voice especially at slightly higher speech rates.
>>> If you end up liking Alex better but still want access to the female HQ 
>>> voice, just select Alex in the default dialect and select the female HQ 
>>> voice for the US English option.
>>> Also note that once you downloaded Alex you either have to turn Voiceover 
>>> off and back on for him to work or just reboot your phone.
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Paul Ferrara
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Alex, where are you?
>>> It seems that everything I've

Re: iCloud

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, 
bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into 
iCloud. You don't need to take any other action.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hello again,
> 
> I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone has 
> more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and sefary 
> bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and data 
> icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm not 
> sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I want 
> an d not the full phone backup.
> 
> Billy Maynard
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: iCloud
> 
> 
> You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
> backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
> screen as well as which apps are on the phone.
> 
> On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:
>> hello,
>> 
>> I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts
>> 
>> and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
>> storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting on
>> 
>> so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
>> contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first iPhone
>> 
>> upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is off
>> 
>> it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the phone
>> 
>> is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
>> never turned this on.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> 
>> Billy Maynard
>> 
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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Brian Fischler]

I hate to say it, but I am hopeful that today's IOS 8.0.1 debacle will only 
help VO development in the future as after today Apple has a lot of egg on its 
face and I guess it just goes to show that it's not only VoiceOver that is 
being very poorly tested, as Apple needs to really reassess its testing and may 
be slow down the releases of operating systems.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

> Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm
> sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and
> better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the
> Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at
> least for now.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>> I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth
>> and are a bit tolerant you will be fine.
>> 
>> On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for
>>> the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks.
>>> Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix
>>> all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several
>>> have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS
>>> 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with
>>> everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
 I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to
 me
 re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is
 annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to
 what
 it
 has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email
 so
 that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo
 again.
 For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat
 which
 I
 may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none
 of
 the above :-)
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 "This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness."
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major
> problems.
> Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm
> willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille
> input,
> interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8
> features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the
> bugs,
> there's no harm at all in waiting.
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt 
> wrote:
> 
>> So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
>> an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
>> until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
>>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
>>> handle
>>> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
>>> supported it.
>>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
 First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS
 8.
 However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
 I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
 The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on
 me.
 But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
 VO
 is
 on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
 I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
 
 Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
 case
 that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to
 toggle
 the voice on and off.
 
 Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
 try
 a
 triple tap of the home button. Recycl

Re: Bending iphones?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Absolutely, at least under law in my country, if the phone bends when the phone 
is being used within normal parameters, Apple will have to give me a new one. 
It's not legal here to sell a product that's not fit for purpose.
Will still not use it with a case.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 25/09/2014, at 7:57 am, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> To each his/her own! I don't try to tell people who want cases that they are 
> sissies for not having one or that they are being over-protective, because I 
> don't think that; I think they believe they are making what is a wise 
> decision for them. Those of us who choose to go caseless, especially those 
> who have gone caseless since the 3gs, know the risks and responsibilities and 
> have made what we feel is the best decision for us. To discuss the pros and 
> cons is healthy and good, but let's not push people to do what we do in this 
> area no matter how strongly we feel about it for ourselves.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Charles Rivard  > wrote:
> 
>> You don't want to be an alarmist, but that's exactly what your message makes 
>> you out to be.  No details given, and forwarding an apparent news blurb.
>>  
>> If this is true, though, to all those who have iPhones and do not see the 
>> need for a case, now, do you see a potential need??  Better be safe than 
>> sorry.  After all, thin aluminum is not rigid.  A good sturdy case, on the 
>> other hand, is.  A dollar in prevention is worth not having to replace an 
>> expensive phone.
>> 
>> ---
>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
>> you! really! are! finished!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Bending iphones?
>> 
>>Hi,
>>  
>> I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
>> Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't 
>> specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying 
>> them around in their front shirt pockets.
>>  
>> That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.
>>  
>> Keith
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Re: iCloud

[Billy Maynard]

hello again,

I don't  wanna backup the full phone.  I only have 5 gig free.  the phone 
has more than that if I back up everything.  I just want the contacts and 
sefary bookmarks backed up.   like I said they're on but, under  storage and 
data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs.  I'm 
not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being  stored.  That's all I 
want an d not the full phone backup.


Billy Maynard

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: iCloud


You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been
backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your
screen as well as which apps are on the phone.

On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard  wrote:

hello,

I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have 
contacts


and sefary on but,  when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of
storage.   under storage and data iCloud is off. Do  I need this setting 
on


so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my
contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince.  This is my first 
iPhone


upgrade.  on data and storage  under the backup heading where iCloud is 
off


it says backup camra roll,  accounts, documents and settings when the 
phone


is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it  to back up pictures is why I
never turned this on.

Thanks for any help,

Billy Maynard

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Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Yolanda]

It has been pulled now due to fp problems.

On 9/24/2014 3:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Neal, this update was being tested internally even before 8.0 was 
put in the hands of the public. It also went out to carriers. But 
developers didn't get it, which is standard practice. The next release 
developers are likely to test will be 8.1, rather than an update to 8.0.
Today's developments have ended what patience I had left with Apple. 
The good thing about this mess is that I don't think there is now any 
question about whether Apple's commitment to accessibility is waining. 
Clearly it's as strong as ever. What we're dealing with instead is a 
crisis in Apple's quality assurance that affects more than just blind 
people. Heads need to roll. Apple has a very solid reputation, but iOS 
8 is starting to turn into a debacle.
I am grateful, and thankful, for my Apple products, but I also paid 
decent money for them as did all the professionals who have lost money 
today because they updated in good faith and got no cell service at 
the end of the process. We're entitled to expect the devices to work 
as advertised, that's just a matter of consumer law and good faith.
Apple is one of the world's wealthiest companies, with sufficient 
money to throw at improving their testing process. It needs to be 
done, and we do them no favours by giving them a free pass on what is 
a series of serious errors. People in all kinds of professions rely on 
these devices. If the narrative develops that the devices can't be 
relied on anymore, Apple are sunk.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 25/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Neal Ewers > wrote:


Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is 
that they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused 
them to pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those 
who are on the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or 
is the testing of these done in house. This also raises the question 
of updates released that may, in fact, break things that already 
work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about 
who tests the updates they release.

Neal
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On 
Behalf Of*Alex Hall

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:*Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I 
imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on 
the iPhone6.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma > wrote:



I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was 
able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is 
solved.

*From:*Rich Ring 
*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Cc:*Rich Ring 
*Subject:*Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that 
the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
Fielding

Sent from my Mac Book Pro
richr...@gmail.com 
On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male 
mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm 
downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message 
to the list, but you beat me to it. LOL!

- Original Message -
*From:*Cristóbal 
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM
*Subject:*iOS 8.0.1 is out
Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of 
accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on 
whehter they notice any improvements on their devices...

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Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Neal, this update was being tested internally even before 8.0 was put in the 
hands of the public. It also went out to carriers. But developers didn't get 
it, which is standard practice. The next release developers are likely to test 
will be 8.1, rather than an update to 8.0.
Today's developments have ended what patience I had left with Apple. The good 
thing about this mess is that I don't think there is now any question about 
whether Apple's commitment to accessibility is waining. Clearly it's as strong 
as ever. What we're dealing with instead is a crisis in Apple's quality 
assurance that affects more than just blind people. Heads need to roll. Apple 
has a very solid reputation, but iOS 8 is starting to turn into a debacle.
I am grateful, and thankful, for my Apple products, but I also paid decent 
money for them as did all the professionals who have lost money today because 
they updated in good faith and got no cell service at the end of the process. 
We're entitled to expect the devices to work as advertised, that's just a 
matter of consumer law and good faith.
Apple is one of the world's wealthiest companies, with sufficient money to 
throw at improving their testing process. It needs to be done, and we do them 
no favours by giving them a free pass on what is a series of serious errors. 
People in all kinds of professions rely on these devices. If the narrative 
develops that the devices can't be relied on anymore, Apple are sunk.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 25/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that they 
> put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I 
> bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do 
> you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in house. 
> This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact, break 
> things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I am 
> curious about who tests the updates they release.
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>  
> FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine it 
> will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6.
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma  > wrote:
> 
> 
> I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to 
> delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.
>  
> From: Rich Ring 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: Rich Ring 
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>  
> However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the 
> update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
> Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com 
>  
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading 
> it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you 
> beat me to it. LOL!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Cristóbal 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM
>> Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out
>>  
>> Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes, 
>> but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any 
>> improvements on their devices...
>>  
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