Re: ACCESSIBLE METRONOME

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I still use Tempo Perfect, think it was free, cheap at any rate; and fully 
accessible.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marie Lyons" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:23 AM
Subject: ACCESSIBLE METRONOME


IS ANYONE AWARE OF A METRONOME APP that allows adjustability in the speed?  I 
am using the 5S with8.4.  I found a talking one but I 
can’t adjust it.  I was only able to turn it on once.  There are no buttons on 
the screen.  Luckily it was a free app.  I don’t mind 
paying for an app if that’s the only way to get the job done.

Marie

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Re: Receiving emails from VIPHONE

[Dave]

The owner of the list, is at the bottom of every Email.

Dave.

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From: Marissa Solaun

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:17 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Receiving emails from VIPHONE

Im a member of  this group, although I did not want to receive emails to 
topics that I have posted to and for whatever reason I am still receiving 
them anyone have any ideas? May I have the email of the moderator of this 
group to see if she can help


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Re: Voiceover not announcing time

[chris]

Yes I am and I just touch anywhere on the lock screen. No big deal.

On 23/10/2015 04:18, Marissa Solaun wrote:

  Is anyone having the issue were voiceover will not announce the time when 
they press the power button to wake their phone? Any temporary workaround for 
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Daniel Miller]

Everyone has the lock sound, the unlock sound has been gone since iOS 7. Make 
sure lock sounds is turned on under sounds in settings.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> I don't have the unlock and lock sounds on 6S.  Is there a setting I may be 
> missing?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:23, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Andrew Lamanche]

I don't have the unlock and lock sounds on 6S.  Is there a setting I may be 
missing?

Andrew
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>> device.
>> 
>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: clock announcement

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

The unlock sound has been gone since iOS 7. I’m not sure how you’re hearing 
that unless you’re jailbroken and have installed a tweak to bring that back.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:27 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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> following on the discussion of this I get the announcement with the home 
> button on the 6 plus but
> not with the power button.  I also have both lock and unlock sounds.
> 
> 
> Ray T. Mahorney
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> 
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clock announcement

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

following on the discussion of this I get the announcement with the home button 
on the 6 plus but
not with the power button.  I also have both lock and unlock sounds.


Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Agent086b]

Hello Mark and all,
This bug appears to be one of those bugs that don’t appear on all iPhones. I do 
not see either of the bugs you mention on my iPhone 6. I believe you are having 
these issues, luckily
 I am not getting them at this time.
Max.
 
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 2:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.

Shawn
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking and 
> I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
> 
> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General > 
> Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to confirm 
> and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you are back 
> on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect to your 
> WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and see if it 
> makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. If 
>> I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I can 
>> immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I want 
>> to reply to.
>> 
>> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of your 
>> Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on that 
>> message rather than jumping back up to the top.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled in 
>> the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes between 
>> sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers so I'm 
>> back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much quicker 
>> than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
>>> every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
>>> trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
>>> don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
>>> announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
>>> glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
>>> because they don't mean much to you. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
 because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
 like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not being 
 spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a later version. I 
 don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation screwed something 
 up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo action. So to the 
 person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the answer is yes we do. 
 But I won't report something unless it's serious enough for me to be 
 concerned about. If you really do believe that Apple should fix this 
 so-called bug, then join the beta program. Sorry if this may sound pissy, 
 but personally, I don't see the big deal. I kinda find it helpful.
 
 Shawn
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> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> To each their own, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
> I personally d

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Richard Turner]

I wear a braille watch, (also known as a tactile watch since there really isn't 
any braille involved), so I don't miss the time being spoken either.
Richard 


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
> usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
> announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
> not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Mary Otten]

I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be announced. 
Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just not a big 
deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>> device.
>> 
>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[joseph hudson]

Hello Mark, if any sound is gone at all from the unlock or lock sounds, it's 
the unlock sound the lock sound is still there on an iPhone 5S.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
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> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Richard Turner]

i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
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Re: voicestream

[Richard Turner]

I suspect you can only share files you've created through Voice Dream.
Bookshare books are DAISY books which contain a bunch of files that are zipped 
on Bookshare and Voice Dream unpacks them, so it makes sense to me that you 
can't share them via bluetooth. Not to mention that this would be an easy way 
to give bookshare books to non-members.
You'll have to download the book from bookshare directly onto your iPad.
At least I think that is the case.
Richard


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> Has voicestream always had a problem with sharing Bookshare books?  When I 
> attempt to airdrop a book from my phone to my iPad I get a failure.  I saw an 
> option to "save to dropbox" but the only thing that gets saved is a text file 
> with the book name.
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Voiceover not announcing time

[Marissa Solaun]

 Is anyone having the issue were voiceover will not announce the time when they 
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Re: ACCESSIBLE METRONOME

[Jessica |M]

Try Tempo Perfect.  From what I remember, it's 
free, and you can set all the beats per minute 
found on a regular metronome, and also divide 
your measure into different beat groupings.  And 
it's also accessible, and easy to learn.


Jess

At 08:23 PM 10/22/2015, you wrote:
IS ANYONE AWARE OF A METRONOME APP that allows 
adjustability in the speed?  I am using the 5S 
with8.4.  I found a talking one but I can’t 
adjust it.  I was only able to turn it on 
once.  There are no buttons on the 
screen.  Luckily it was a free app.  I don’t 
mind paying for an app if that’s the only way to get the job done.


Marie

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Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

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Receiving emails from VIPHONE

[Marissa Solaun]

 Im a member of  this group, although I did not want to receive emails to 
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Re: Voice dream writer and dropbox

[Richard Turner]

Writer only reads txt files.
The Microsoft Word app will do RTF, how well with VoiceOver I don't know. Also, 
Pages I think can now do RTF.
If nothing else, maybe you could open it in Word, select all, then copy and 
paste it into Writer.
A long way round, but it would get the info into Writer.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Anna
> Thank you very much! It worked! Now I have another question. When I got to my 
> document in dropbox it was dimmed. It is an RTF file. Am I wrong does voice 
> dream writer not handle RTF documents? If it does not handle RTF documents, 
> is there an app that I can transfer a file from dropbox and edit an RTF 
> document? Thanks very much!
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nancy,
>> 
>> Go to Add Files, and choose Import from External Location. If Dropbox is 
>> listed here, you should be able to choose it. If not, choose More. Whichever 
>> services are available are listed here. One should be Dropbox. If it's off, 
>> double-tap to turn it on. Now double-tap Done. You should now be able to 
>> access Dropbox from the app.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am trying to add a document to voice stream writer by dropbox. I started 
>>> in voice dream writer. I double tapped on add document. I double tapped on 
>>> dropbox. It just sat there. It did not open my Dropbox app. Can anyone tell 
>>> me what I am doing wrong? I looked for a setting to add my dropbox user ID 
>>> and password. But I could not find one. Any ideas would be greatly 
>>> appreciated. I am supposed to finish this document this evening.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Nancy
>>> 
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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rajmund]

Hello SIEGHARD,
So, I just tried, couldn't resist. Another thing. When you send, its OK. I sent 
myself one, that's OK,  unlike replying. Try and write a response to something. 
Although, the wifi reset moved the extras folder off top of the screen. LOL, I 
always hated it being there.


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:39 am
Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> Hi again,
> 
> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking and 
> I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
> 
> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General > 
> Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to confirm 
> and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you are back 
> on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect to your 
> WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and see if it 
> makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> >
> >
> > For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
> > If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
> > can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I 
> > want to reply to.
> > 
> > Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
> > your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
> > that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Rajmund
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> > 
> > Hello,
> > LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
> > in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
> > between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
> > so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
> > quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mary Otten  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
> > Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
> > > every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
> > > trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
> > > don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
> > > announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, 
> > > I'm glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, 
> > > just because they don't mean much to you. 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> > > > because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious 
> > > > bugs like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread 
> > > > not being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a 
> > > > later version. I don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation 
> > > > screwed something up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo 
> > > > action. So to the person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the 
> > > > answer is yes we do. But I won't report something unless it's serious 
> > > > enough for me to be concerned about. If you really do believe that 
> > > > Apple should fix this so-called bug, then join the beta program. Sorry 
> > > > if this may sound pissy, but personally, I don't see the big deal. I 
> > > > kinda find it helpful.
> > > > 
> > > > Shawn
> > > > Sent From My White MacBook
> > > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > > > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > > > Skype username

Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[rajmund]

Hello,
Ah, OK, ∫thanks, no wonder why I don't have it. 
PS. Just reset the WIFI...

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.

> On 23 Oct 2015, at 3:50 a.m., Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 3D Touch is new on the 6S and 6S Plus and gives you more choices and gestures 
> when you press harder on the screen.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> 
> Hello,
> What  is 3d touch, even?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Miller  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:09 pm
> Subject: Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> The original poster means using 3D Touch. Of course the normal way is 
>> accessible with voiceover.
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Robin Christopherson  >> >
>>> To: "VIPhone"  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
>>> Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
>>> 
 
 
 Dear listers
 
 I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to 
 hope someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO 
 running when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go 
 back/ forward between running apps without VO? 
 
 It doesn't seem to work with VO running.
 
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Male focus bug Not fixed

[Mary Otten]

I have a brand-new iPhone 6s which I received today. It has iOS 9.1. I have a 
whole lot of saved mail in my inbox and I found a message down the list to Waze 
and read that message. As I understand it, people are saying that when you exit 
such a message, you should not  be put back up to the top of your message list. 
That is exactly what happened to me. When I exited that message, I was placed 
back at the top of my inbox. In this case, that was not a big deal, as I had no 
need to be down there where I had been in the middle of my inbox message list. 
However, for those who find this problematic, and I can see how it could be in 
some scenarios, I have to say that it did not work for me as others have 
described.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Ah, there's your problem. You were dictating. Try writing one? Although, 
considering its 4 o'clock AM here, and am still up, the network settings will 
have to wait while I get up. But can you try writing one, please? 
PS. I have an iPad...

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:39 am
Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> Hi again,
> 
> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
> email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off 
> which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In 
> all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the 
> swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking and 
> I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.
> 
> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General > 
> Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to confirm 
> and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you are back 
> on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect to your 
> WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and see if it 
> makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
> writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
> Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> >
> >
> > For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. 
> > If I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I 
> > can immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I 
> > want to reply to.
> > 
> > Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of 
> > your Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on 
> > that message rather than jumping back up to the top.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Rajmund
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> > 
> > Hello,
> > LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled 
> > in the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes 
> > between sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers 
> > so I'm back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much 
> > quicker than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mary Otten  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
> > Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
> > > every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
> > > trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
> > > don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
> > > announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, 
> > > I'm glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, 
> > > just because they don't mean much to you. 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> > > > because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious 
> > > > bugs like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread 
> > > > not being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a 
> > > > later version. I don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation 
> > > > screwed something up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo 
> > > > action. So to the person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the 
> > > > answer is yes we do. But I won't report something unless it's serious 
> > > > enough for me to be concerned about. If you really do believe that 
> > > > Apple should fix this so-called bug, then join the beta program. Sorry 
> > > > if this may sound pissy, but personally, I don't see the big deal. I 
> > > > kinda find it helpful.
> > > > 
> > > > Shawn
> > > > Sent From My White MacBook
> > > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > > > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > > > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > > > Facetime: b

RE: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Sieghard Weitzel]

3D Touch is new on the 6S and 6S Plus and gives you more choices and gestures 
when you press harder on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

Hello,
What  is 3d touch, even?

- Original Message -
From: Daniel Miller  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

>
>
> Hi,
> The original poster means using 3D Touch. Of course the normal way is 
> accessible with voiceover.
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robin Christopherson   > >
> > To: "VIPhone"  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
> > Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dear listers
> >> 
> >> I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to 
> >> hope someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO 
> >> running when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go 
> >> back/ forward between running apps without VO? 
> >> 
> >> It doesn't seem to work with VO running.
> >> 
> >> Thanks
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> Hi,
> The original poster means using 3D Touch. Of course the normal way is 
> accessible with voiceover.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
> 
> - Original

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello Mark,
Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the new 
release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few less, 
really. 

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am
Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> Hello Rajmund,
> 
> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just 
> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> Hello,
> I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But 
> is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Woody Anna Dresner  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> >
> >
> > hi,
> > 
> > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple 
> > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree 
> > of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
> > fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between 
> > WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current 
> > timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix 
> > everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year 
> > affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs 
> > since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering the phone 
> > and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Anna
> > 
> > 
> > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Everyone,
> > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
> > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a 
> > > number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
> > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. 
> > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
> > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
> > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
> > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
> > > can't live with.
> > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
> > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
> > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
> > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
> > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
> > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, 
> > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely 
> > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some 
> > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs 
> > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that 
> > > next big thing.
> > > 
> > > Wayne
> > > 
> > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
> > >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
> > >> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. 
> > >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you 
> > >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a 
> > >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
> > >> anything.
> > >> 
> > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that 
> > >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but 
> > >> with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding 
> > >> to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two 
> > >> tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much 
> > >> judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on 
> > >> different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we 
> > >> shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by 
> > >> a bug than we are.
> > >> 
> > >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways 
> > >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
> > >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't 
> > >> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness 
> > >> community.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does i

Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[joseph hudson]

Kimber, you can give her the old iPhone 4S, she needs to contact Apple and have 
them do whatever they do to transfer it to Sprint network. I love to share the 
process as my dad help me with the most of it. All I know is that Insurance 
department ended up doing it at a local Apple Store in Austin.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got
> destroyed. The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I
> thought I could call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit
> her to activate the phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it
> may have been someone from sprint) that they won't allow her to
> activate an unlocked phone older than an iPhone 5.
> 
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Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[joseph hudson]

Hello, Sprint network does not work with seven cards first of all secondly yes 
to go to Apple to get the switch done because this is what I had to do I 
ordered a replacement from Apple they sent it to me on Verizon's network so I 
was unable to activate a they had to switch it from Verizon to sprint.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like BS to me. One thing I am not sure about is whether a Verizon 4S 
> will work on Sprint, but if it does than she could just go and get a Micro 
> SIM from Sprint and put it in her phone, there is no reason why she would 
> even have to tell Sprint what phone she is using if she is off-contract.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:20 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got destroyed. 
> The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I thought I could 
> call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit her to activate the 
> phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it may have been someone from 
> sprint) that they won't allow her to activate an unlocked phone older than an 
> iPhone 5.
> 
> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone and I'm 
> wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this issue?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kimber
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RE: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kimber,

I really can't believe this, for one, the 5S is still being sold so obviously 
they must activate them. Like I said, somehow I have a feeling some Verizon 
customer service agent doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

I did a bit more investigating ... I called Verizon and the tech support person 
told me they no longer will unlock/activate any iPhone older than an iPhone 6. 
That totally surprised me. It seems like such a rip-off and designed to force 
people into buying new phones. But at least I know the person from Sprint 
probably wasn't making stuff up.





On 10/22/15, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> It sounded like bs to me as well, like an attempt to sell her a new 
> iPhone, but I couldn't find any evidence to back that up.
>
>
>
> On 10/22/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Sounds like BS to me. One thing I am not sure about is whether a 
>> Verizon 4S will work on Sprint, but if it does than she could just go 
>> and get a Micro SIM from Sprint and put it in her phone, there is no 
>> reason why she would even have to tell Sprint what phone she is using 
>> if she is off-contract.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:20 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got 
>> destroyed.
>> The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I thought I 
>> could call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit her to 
>> activate the phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it may 
>> have been someone from
>> sprint) that they won't allow her to activate an unlocked phone older 
>> than an iPhone 5.
>>
>> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone 
>> and I'm wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on 
>> this issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kimber
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RE: Dictation bug fixed?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi again,

I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent an 
email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain off which 
is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain on. In all four 
scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I hear the swoosh noise 
and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover talking and I really mean 
immediately, there isn't even a second or two delay.

As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > General > 
Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt you to confirm 
and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. Once you are back 
on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and reconnect to your WiFi 
network (you will need your password). Then give it a try and see if it makes a 
difference.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?

Hello,
I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. If 
> I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I can 
> immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I want 
> to reply to.
> 
> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of your 
> Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on that 
> message rather than jumping back up to the top.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled in 
> the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes between 
> sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers so I'm 
> back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much quicker 
> than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> >
> >
> > Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
> > every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
> > trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
> > don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
> > announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
> > glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
> > because they don't mean much to you. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> > > because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
> > > like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not 
> > > being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a later 
> > > version. I don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation screwed 
> > > something up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo action. So 
> > > to the person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the answer is 
> > > yes we do. But I won't report something unless it's serious enough for me 
> > > to be concerned about. If you really do believe that Apple should fix 
> > > this so-called bug, then join the beta program. Sorry if this may sound 
> > > pissy, but personally, I don't see the big deal. I kinda find it helpful.
> > > 
> > > Shawn
> > > Sent From My White MacBook
> > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> To each their own, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
> > >> I personally don't find it distracting.
> > >> 
> > >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Marissa Solaun 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Have to agree with Marry and not Daniel 
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RE: Reading a text message by character with the iPhone6

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t know how many others experience this, I certainly am not and have not 
throughout iOS 9.0 or 9.1 Beta and now 9.1 public release. I believe you have 
an  iPad, correct? Have you tried to do a Reset Network settings after having 
closed all apps? I can’t promise it will fix this, but it will definitely not 
have any negative effects.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:18 PM
To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Reading a text message by character with the iPhone6

 

Each time you move away from, then back to, the message, the rotor switches to 
"actions". Flicking up and down here is how you get to the options you're 
hearing, and is why the rotor doesn't stay on characters. So long as you don't 
move from the message, the rotor should stay put. If you do leave and come back 
to it, just rotor right once and you should land back on characters.

On Oct 22, 2015, at 21:27, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. mailto:fiore...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi:

I am having a problem reading a text I receive from someone in character mode. 
I go into character mode and when I flick up and down it sometimes says 
activate or more. Sometimes it reads in character but it is inconsistent. 

What am I doing wrong.

Thanks. John Fioravanti 

 

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Re: Reading a text message by character with the iPhone6

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Each time you move away from, then back to, the message, the rotor switches to 
"actions". Flicking up and down here is how you get to the options you're 
hearing, and is why the rotor doesn't stay on characters. So long as you don't 
move from the message, the rotor should stay put. If you do leave and come back 
to it, just rotor right once and you should land back on characters.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 21:27, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I am having a problem reading a text I receive from someone in character 
> mode. I go into character mode and when I flick up and down it sometimes says 
> activate or more. Sometimes it reads in character but it is inconsistent.
> What am I doing wrong.
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Re: ACCESSIBLE METRONOME

[Alex Hall]

I may have the spelling wrong, but Taptronome is good. You can simply tap the 
screen at the interval you want, and it will use that tempo. This makes it 
really easy to set, because there's no slider or text field to worry about.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 21:23, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> IS ANYONE AWARE OF A METRONOME APP that allows adjustability in the speed?  I 
> am using the 5S with8.4.  I found a talking one but I can’t adjust it.  I was 
> only able to turn it on once.  There are no buttons on the screen.  Luckily 
> it was a free app.  I don’t mind paying for an app if that’s the only way to 
> get the job done.
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Anthony Vece]

I just asked Siri and Siri tells me that's fine

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 6s!

On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald  wrote:

> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
>> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
>> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
>> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
>> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>>> bombarded.
>>> 
>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
 because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
 battery before it downloads?
 
 Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
 errors.
 
> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:
> 
> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
> upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Attention everyone:
> 
> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rajmund,

I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just checked 
the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

Hello,
I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But is 
the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?

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From: Woody Anna Dresner  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> hi,
> 
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
> get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of 
> feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
> fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC 
> in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current timeline is 
> incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But 
> Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users 
> than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was 
> released, including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus 
> issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > 
> > Everyone,
> > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
> > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a 
> > number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
> > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. 
> > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
> > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
> > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
> > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
> > can't live with.
> > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
> > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
> > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
> > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
> > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
> > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, 
> > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely 
> > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some 
> > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs 
> > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that 
> > next big thing.
> > 
> > Wayne
> > 
> > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
> >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
> >> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. 
> >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you 
> >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a 
> >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
> >> anything.
> >> 
> >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that 
> >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but 
> >> with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding 
> >> to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two 
> >> tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much 
> >> judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on 
> >> different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we 
> >> shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by a 
> >> bug than we are.
> >> 
> >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways 
> >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
> >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't 
> >> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness 
> >> community.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what 
> >>> we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and 
> >>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even 
> >>> if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection 
> >>> they complain about the fixes. Either it's too bloody late or 
> >>> there's too little or too much of everything. I'm the type of guy 
> >>> who upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there 
> >>> and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's perfect. As i said 
> >>> before i thi

RE: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run faster or last longer

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alan,

What you described is exactly what exists on most of the recent Samsung Android 
phones.  I find the close all button extremely useful.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run 
faster or last longer

I would like to see in the app switcher a close all button forexample in the 
lower left hand corner so that one could close all opened apps at once.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe so and maybe no. I have read articles like this before and while this 
> may be correct theoretically, I think what the author does not consider is 
> that not all apps are created equal. How often have you seen something in the 
> What's New section of an app that menbtions the developer has fixed a memory 
> leak or fixed something which caused excessive use of battery power or they 
> fixed something which caused the app to remain active in the background. I 
> have seen all of these in the last 5 years at some point or another so all it 
> takes is a developer who hasn't done a good job with their code and of course 
> removing the offending app from the app switcher will fix this. Therefore I 
> happily continue to waste 10 or 20 seconds of my valueable time once or twice 
> a day to force quit the apps I don't use. For the amount of time it took the 
> author to write this article and post it, he could have probably closed apps 
> on his phone once a day for years to come especially since I think a sighted 
> person can swipe up and close multiple or even all apps at once.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run 
> faster or last longer
> 
> this one may cause some commenting. I admit I do this closing apps things a 
> lot.
> Mary
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/21/stop-force-closing-apps-on-your-iphone-its-not-making-it-run-faster-or-last-longer
> 
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Reading a text message by character with the iPhone6

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Hi:

I am having a problem reading a text I receive from someone in character
mode. I go into character mode and when I flick up and down it sometimes
says activate or more. Sometimes it reads in character but it is
inconsistent. 

What am I doing wrong.

Thanks. John Fioravanti 

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ACCESSIBLE METRONOME

[Marie Lyons]

IS ANYONE AWARE OF A METRONOME APP that allows adjustability in the speed?  I 
am using the 5S with8.4.  I found a talking one but I can’t adjust it.  I was 
only able to turn it on once.  There are no buttons on the screen.  Luckily it 
was a free app.  I don’t mind paying for an app if that’s the only way to get 
the job done.

Marie

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.


On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or at 
least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
inbox.

I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we are 
now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to be 
fixed.

I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are no 
battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, but 
I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real crappy 
version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available




a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the blind.

apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
had in recent times with the blind?
only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > 
Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only situation where voices may not 
switch automatically are when you have limited storage space available on your device or poor 
internet connectivity).
list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,
For me, I'm keep thinking it didn't take the press on the button, because 
speech doesn't say the time.

- Original Message -
From: Kimberly  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:43 am
Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s  iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. 
> But my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. 
> It isn't perfect but it mostly works.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald  wrote:
> > 
> > mine has been like that since 8.0
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> > that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> > time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> > convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> > the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> > under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> > 
> > Arnold Schmidt
> > - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > 
> >> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
> >> following bug as reported:
> >> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
> >> Power  button to wake my device.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> >> 
> >> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
> >> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
> >> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
> >> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
> >> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
> >> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
> >> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
> >> 
> >> Wayne
> >> 
> >>> On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:
> >>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
> >>> bombarded.
> >>> 
>  On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>  Hello,
>  I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>  because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>  battery before it downloads?
>  
>  Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
>  errors.
>  
> > On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:
> > 
> > Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
> > I
> > stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
> > upgrade.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > Attention everyone:
> > 
> > iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: screen lock seems to ignore user settings

[Melissa Tucker]

okay, to answer the current questions, low power can be found under settings, 
then the battery button is about half way down.  Push the battery button, then 
you will see low power.  I am not sure about the full screen mode situation, 
but I will see if I can duplicate it.  Now for the questions that follows 
specific subject line, I believe the unlock issue is an ios bug, because I got 
the same results on my 5s. Also had problems rating apps in the app store.  If 
it hasn't been done already, this might need to go to apple support 
accessibility.  h

On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:24 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hi all 

2 quick questions. Firstly, how do you enable low power/power-saving mode? 
Secondly, every time I've read an e-mail and return to my inbox VO says "switch 
to full-screen mode". What does this mean, and how do you go about doing so? 

Any help much appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 14:43, Sherrie  wrote:
> 
> I agree that it ignores user settings but my problem with my 6S is that half 
> the time it does not lock at all.  I had it set for 5 minutes and changed it 
> to 4 but no difference.   Now that I have upgraded to the 6S from my old 5 I 
> want it to lock since the fingerprint unlock works great! Haven't installed 
> 9.1 yet since i wanted to check on the list to  see if there were any major 
> problems first.
> Sherrie
> e
> 
> -Original Message- From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: screen lock seems to ignore user settings
> 
> I have it set to 5 minutes before it locks.  Low power mode is not enabled. 
> However, The phone
> locks well before the 5 minute timeout.  What else do I need to turn on or off
> 
> 
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
> 
> 
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Kimberly]

And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. But 
my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. It 
isn't perfect but it mostly works.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald  wrote:
> 
> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
>> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
>> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
>> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
>> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>>> bombarded.
>>> 
 On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
 because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
 battery before it downloads?
 
 Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
 errors.
 
> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:
> 
> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
> upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Attention everyone:
> 
> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> 
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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Connie Mohney]

Thank you John and Anna.  
I appreciate the information.  I think I will wait until I can get a phone with 
more memory on it as I only have an 8 gig 4S  
Connie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

To be a publick beta tester go to beta.apple.com and sign up for the program. 
When this is done, on the phone, go to beta.apple.com/profile and install the 
profile app. You will need to restart the phone. When a beta is available, you 
will see it in the usual upgrade location.

On 10/22/15, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi Connie,
>
> I joined the developer program a couple of years ago, which means a 
> yearly payment and access to the betas. There has been a public beta 
> program all year as well; I'm not sure how you sign up for it though.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anna,
>> Just because I'm curious, what does someone have to do to become a 
>> beta tester? Do you have to have any certification or experience? Are 
>> you an apple employee?  Thank you for answering my questions.
>> Connie
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple 
>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the 
>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the 
>> bugs they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer 
>> time period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as 
>> I think the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too 
>> tight for them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, 
>> most of the bugs this year affected fewer users than last year's 
>> bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, 
>> including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus issues. 
>> So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Everyone,
>>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X 
>>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a 
>>> number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from 
>>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. 
>>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the 
>>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There 
>>> are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that 
>>> the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I 
>>> can't live with.
>>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
>>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
>>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a 
>>> thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know 
>>> what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many 
>>> bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, 
>>> JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely 
>>> used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some 
>>> degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs 
>>> before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that 
>>> next big thing.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
 doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
 will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. 
 Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you 
 weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a 
 minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do 
 anything.

 You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that 
 doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but 
 with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding 
 to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two 
 tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much 
 judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on 
 different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we 
 shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by a 
 bug than we are.

 I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways 
 to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
>>>

Re: Does anyone here know/can remind me how to pair a Keys-To-Go bluetooth keyboard with IPad please?

[Kim Samco]

Hi,

The instructions say that you don't need it but I found I did.  It's The 
pairing button is on the top row of buttons and the second to the last key on 
the right, or put another way...the second key from the right.  The button just 
to it's right is the battery level indicator.

Kim

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:24 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
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> 
> Hi 
> 
> Thanks for the instructions. I'd got that far, but have completely forgotten 
> where the pairing button is on the Keys-To-Go keyboard. So if anyone knows 
> would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 19:13, Alan Paganelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Settings, bluetooth, then look for the device you want to pare with.  Then 
>> double tap it.  Note, make sure the device is turned on and in range.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Air
>> 
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>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all 
>>> 
>>> Just wondered if anyone onn this list uses a Keys-To-Go bluetoothh 
>>> keyboard? If so, please could someone remind me how I pair it with my 
>>> IPad?? I've just updated and am re-pairing the keyboard just to be on the 
>>> safe side, but my mind's gone totally blank! So if anyone knows how to pair 
>>> this particular keyboard and can tell me would be much appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Eleanor 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone know anything about the Zagg pocket keyboard?

[Jennie Facer]

I have the Zagg pocket keyboard. I happen to like it. It doesn't have an escape 
key, but it does have a caps lock key which now can be used as a modifier. 
Sorry to be late in this thread.   Kumi

> On Oct 12, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> As i told you in earlier threads i have bought a foldable bluetooth keyboard 
> which is very good except in one way, it doesn’t have an Escape key or it has 
> but in iOs it sends out the same character as when you press vo+h, that is it 
> presses the home button. Now i saw another foldable and small keyboard from 
> Zagg called Pocket and i wonder if anyone knows about them, and particularly 
> if someone knows if it has an Escape key that actually sends you back a page 
> in an app rather than pressing the home button?
> Thankful for any answers.
> /Krister
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Colin McDonald]

mine has been like that since 8.0

-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
following bug as reported:
VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
Power  button to wake my device.




-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
bombarded.

On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
battery before it downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
spelling

errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
I

stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

Sent from my iPhone

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The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Arnold Schmidt]

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today 
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the 
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so 
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing 
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just 
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
following bug as reported:
VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
Power  button to wake my device.




-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris  wrote:

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
bombarded.

On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
battery before it downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
spelling

errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
I

stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
upgrade.


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Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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Re: Braile screen input

[Jennie Facer]

Thanks that worked! Have a great Night!

Jenn and Kumi

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> You put it in the orientation you prefer, then do a three-finger swipe up or 
> down (either direction will work). That locks it; do the same thing to unlock 
> it. Put another way, three-finger swipes up or down toggle the lock on and 
> off.
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 17:29, Jennie Facer  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I heard that you can switch it so the Braille screen input will stay in 
>> either tabletop or screen away mode. How do I do this in iOS 9?
>> thanks,
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Still no luck with I Vona voices

[Mary Otten]

For those who may care, I thought you might like to know that starting fresh 
with a very brand spanking new iPhone, and a new installation of oystering, the 
voice downloads for my ivona  voices went without a hitch. Nice and quick. But 
when I try to use one, voice dream reader crashes. So, if you find yourself 
needing to get these voices again, and actually use them, I would love to know 
how you did it.
Mary

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Re: Braile screen input

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You put it in the orientation you prefer, then do a three-finger swipe up or 
down (either direction will work). That locks it; do the same thing to unlock 
it. Put another way, three-finger swipes up or down toggle the lock on and off.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 17:29, Jennie Facer  wrote:
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> either tabletop or screen away mode. How do I do this in iOS 9?
> thanks,
> Jenn and Kumi
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Re: If bluetooth device is connected, VoiceOver doesn't recognize it. Anyone Else?

[Pete Nalda]

Will do!  If I had no vision, or test a11y, I wouldn't care

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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that happens with my Aftershokz, now that you mention it. The audio has 
> to be set up *after* VO is turned on or it won't wrk correctly. I'd 
> definitely email Apple about that one.
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 16:00, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I’m thinking of writing Apple Accessibility about this, But wanted to 
>> run it by ya’ll first.  Scenario is that, when my bluetooth headset is 
>> connected, turning VoiceOver on makes it’s output come through the speaker 
>> instead of my bluetooth headphones, in my case the Plantronics Backbeat fit. 
>>  Now, if I turn voiceover on, then connect the headphones, everything is 
>> fine.  Problem is, I don’t do that as I generally leave VO off until I need 
>> it to read print that requires too much zooming, my eyes are tired, or I’m 
>> testing a11y. Anyone else notice this?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dead phone

[Rajmund]

Hello,
No, I thought a  3 finger triple tap while  voice over is on. I have also 
thought that that was obvious, but it doesn't seem like it. Glad all is well, 
though.

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: Dead phone

>
>
> Three finger triple tap with voiceover off? Not too necessary. When sighted 
> people use my phone, voiceover is always disabled for obvious reasons. I 
> thought that would be self understood, but perhaps not. Anyway, the phone is 
> done disabled gone. And I have a new phone.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Considering the sighted can't see anything, a 3 finger triple tap? 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  
> > To: "'viphone@googlegroups.com'"  
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:35 pm
> > Subject: RE: Dead phone
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm confused about your situation. But if the screen curtain is on and 
> >> somehow your voice over volume is zero, that scenario sounds to me like 
> >> your describing, possibly.
> >> 
> >> Have you tried a 2-finger swipe up to get voice over working and then use 
> >> the volume up button?
> >> 
> >> I suspect you've tried this and that communication is somewhere in this 
> >> thread, but just in case you haven't, I'm sending this on.
> >> 
> >> Have you called Apple Accessibility?
> >> 
> >> Keith.
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Mary Otten
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:22 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Dead phone
> >> 
> >> Hi Sieghard,
> >> 
> >> I suppose you might have seen a note I sent on Wayne's thread about his 
> >> experience. But in case not: when I say dead screen, I mean, dead. No 
> >> gestures work. Sighted husband sees nothing on screen with VO disabled. 
> >> And here you see I am entering data with my lightning connected keyboard. 
> >> In short, everything on this phone is working but the screen, which is 
> >> totally gone. 
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Mary,
> >>> 
> >>> I am sending this to you directly as well since it seems you may not have 
> >>> seen my earlier message.
> >>> 
> >>> Have you tried my suggestion which was to see if typing style has been 
> >>> reset to the default which is standard typing. If this happens it may 
> >>> seem something is terribly wrong when you come to the passcode screen 
> >>> because you can touch the numbers, Voiceover will announce them, but 
> >>> nothing is typed because you are used to touch typing and would have to 
> >>> double tap or split tap the numbers in order to enter your passcode with 
> >>> standard typing.
> >>> 
> >>> If your iPhone is being recognized by iTunes I also don't see why you 
> >>> would need to enter DFU/recovery mode. You could just connect it, do a 
> >>> backup and then do a restore. When it initially finishes the restore I 
> >>> suggest you set it up as a new phone to make sure everything works, you 
> >>> can always restore from your backup once you know everything is good. 
> >>> Sometimes things can go wrong on a phone and certain issues can be part 
> >>> of a backup so if everything is good when the phone is set up as a new 
> >>> phone and you run into issues again after rstoring from the backup then 
> >>> it's time to bit into the sour Apple so to speak and to just set up as a 
> >>> new phone and to redo everything from scratch, e.g. set up your email, 
> >>> download your apps, arrange them the way you want on the home screens and 
> >>> folders etc. It's a lot of work, but sometimes it can be worth it.
> >>> 
> >>> When you say "the screen is dead" what exactly do you mean? Does not 
> >>> Voiceover read what apps are on the screen and can you not swipe around, 
> >>> open apps etc.?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sieghard
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Dead phone
> >>> 
> >>> Well folks,
> >>> It looks like my phone is dead. I tried several times to get it to 
> >>> restart, but every time, I get to that screen where it wants my passcode, 
> >>> because I have touch ID to unlock the phone. And I can't enter a 
> >>> passcode, because none of my gestures are seen, and voice over doesn't 
> >>> speak. It's like the screen is dead, although the phone talks and the 
> >>> buttons work. I have a friend who had something similar happen, and he 
> >>> has a 5S. In his case, after nothing was working, voiceover wasn't 
> >>> talking, screen seemed dead etc,  he did the force restart. After that, 
> >>> voi

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[John Diakogeorgiou]

To be a publick beta tester go to beta.apple.com and sign up for the
program. When this is done, on the phone, go to beta.apple.com/profile
and install the profile app. You will need to restart the phone. When
a beta is available, you will see it in the usual upgrade location.

On 10/22/15, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi Connie,
>
> I joined the developer program a couple of years ago, which means a yearly
> payment and access to the betas. There has been a public beta program all
> year as well; I'm not sure how you sign up for it though.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anna,
>> Just because I'm curious, what does someone have to do to become a beta
>> tester? Do you have to have any certification or experience? Are you an
>> apple employee?  Thank you for answering my questions.
>> Connie
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple
>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the
>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs
>> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period
>> between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the
>> current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to
>> fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year
>> affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of
>> bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering the
>> phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well
>> overall.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Everyone,
>>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
>>> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
>>> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
>>> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
>>> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
>>> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
>>> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
>>> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
>>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
>>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
>>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
>>> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
>>> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
>>> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
>>> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
>>> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
>>> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
>>> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
 doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that
 will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your
 target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't
 going to do something because of a negative reaction by a minority of
 members on this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.

 You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
 mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS
 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails
 is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've
 come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on
 this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We
 all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment
 on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.

 I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to
 go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom
 Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't
 see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness
 community.


 On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> Hi,
> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we
> as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and
> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if
> what has bee

RE: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[Cristóbal]

Sprint's not going to domestically unlock anything before an iPhone 5. I got my 
4S internationally unlocked, but no luck with domestic useage. Has to do with 
some sort of FTC regulations and Sprint just being difficult.
As far as bringing a CDMA device to Sprint though... You should have no problem 
unlocking the Verizon 4S, but I’m not sure if verizon and Sprint are compatible 
even though they are both CDMA. Especially since it's an older phone.
Needless to say, I'm done with Sprint branded devices. Straight GSM for me.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:20 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

Hi All,

I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got
destroyed. The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I
thought I could call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit
her to activate the phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it
may have been someone from sprint) that they won't allow her to
activate an unlocked phone older than an iPhone 5.

I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone
and I'm wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this
issue?

Thanks,
Kimber

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Re: Dead phone

[Mary Otten]

Three finger triple tap with voiceover off? Not too necessary. When sighted 
people use my phone, voiceover is always disabled for obvious reasons. I 
thought that would be self understood, but perhaps not. Anyway, the phone is 
done disabled gone. And I have a new phone.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Considering the sighted can't see anything, a 3 finger triple tap? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  
> To: "'viphone@googlegroups.com'"  
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:35 pm
> Subject: RE: Dead phone
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm confused about your situation. But if the screen curtain is on and 
>> somehow your voice over volume is zero, that scenario sounds to me like your 
>> describing, possibly.
>> 
>> Have you tried a 2-finger swipe up to get voice over working and then use 
>> the volume up button?
>> 
>> I suspect you've tried this and that communication is somewhere in this 
>> thread, but just in case you haven't, I'm sending this on.
>> 
>> Have you called Apple Accessibility?
>> 
>> Keith.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dead phone
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard,
>> 
>> I suppose you might have seen a note I sent on Wayne's thread about his 
>> experience. But in case not: when I say dead screen, I mean, dead. No 
>> gestures work. Sighted husband sees nothing on screen with VO disabled. And 
>> here you see I am entering data with my lightning connected keyboard. In 
>> short, everything on this phone is working but the screen, which is totally 
>> gone. 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> I am sending this to you directly as well since it seems you may not have 
>>> seen my earlier message.
>>> 
>>> Have you tried my suggestion which was to see if typing style has been 
>>> reset to the default which is standard typing. If this happens it may seem 
>>> something is terribly wrong when you come to the passcode screen because 
>>> you can touch the numbers, Voiceover will announce them, but nothing is 
>>> typed because you are used to touch typing and would have to double tap or 
>>> split tap the numbers in order to enter your passcode with standard typing.
>>> 
>>> If your iPhone is being recognized by iTunes I also don't see why you would 
>>> need to enter DFU/recovery mode. You could just connect it, do a backup and 
>>> then do a restore. When it initially finishes the restore I suggest you set 
>>> it up as a new phone to make sure everything works, you can always restore 
>>> from your backup once you know everything is good. Sometimes things can go 
>>> wrong on a phone and certain issues can be part of a backup so if 
>>> everything is good when the phone is set up as a new phone and you run into 
>>> issues again after rstoring from the backup then it's time to bit into the 
>>> sour Apple so to speak and to just set up as a new phone and to redo 
>>> everything from scratch, e.g. set up your email, download your apps, 
>>> arrange them the way you want on the home screens and folders etc. It's a 
>>> lot of work, but sometimes it can be worth it.
>>> 
>>> When you say "the screen is dead" what exactly do you mean? Does not 
>>> Voiceover read what apps are on the screen and can you not swipe around, 
>>> open apps etc.?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Dead phone
>>> 
>>> Well folks,
>>> It looks like my phone is dead. I tried several times to get it to restart, 
>>> but every time, I get to that screen where it wants my passcode, because I 
>>> have touch ID to unlock the phone. And I can't enter a passcode, because 
>>> none of my gestures are seen, and voice over doesn't speak. It's like the 
>>> screen is dead, although the phone talks and the buttons work. I have a 
>>> friend who had something similar happen, and he has a 5S. In his case, 
>>> after nothing was working, voiceover wasn't talking, screen seemed dead 
>>> etc,  he did the force restart. After that, voiceover came back. But for 
>>> me, no such luck. I wonder how common this is. The folks at the store just 
>>> said it's a dead phone. But I wonder. Is it some kind of weird interaction 
>>> between iOS nine and VoiceOver? Has anybody heard of this happening to 
>>> others, with or without voiceover? And while I'm at it, why don't earth 
>>> does Apple want your pass code once you restart your phone and want to use 
>>> touch ID? I mean, it's not like somebody can rip your finger off and use it 
>>> and not have to know your passcode. It 

Re: Voice dream writer and dropbox

[Nancy Badger]

Anna
Thank you very much! It worked! Now I have another question. When I got to my 
document in dropbox it was dimmed. It is an RTF file. Am I wrong does voice 
dream writer not handle RTF documents? If it does not handle RTF documents, is 
there an app that I can transfer a file from dropbox and edit an RTF document? 
Thanks very much!
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy,
> 
> Go to Add Files, and choose Import from External Location. If Dropbox is 
> listed here, you should be able to choose it. If not, choose More. Whichever 
> services are available are listed here. One should be Dropbox. If it's off, 
> double-tap to turn it on. Now double-tap Done. You should now be able to 
> access Dropbox from the app.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am trying to add a document to voice stream writer by dropbox. I started 
>> in voice dream writer. I double tapped on add document. I double tapped on 
>> dropbox. It just sat there. It did not open my Dropbox app. Can anyone tell 
>> me what I am doing wrong? I looked for a setting to add my dropbox user ID 
>> and password. But I could not find one. Any ideas would be greatly 
>> appreciated. I am supposed to finish this document this evening.
>> Thanks!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
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Re: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run faster or last longer

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

that sounds a good idea to me! Let's all write and say so!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 22 Oct 2015, at 18:17, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 wrote:

Have you sent this on to Apple?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run 
faster or last longer

I would like to see in the app switcher a close all button forexample in the 
lower left hand corner so that one could close all opened apps at once.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe so and maybe no. I have read articles like this before and while this 
> may be correct theoretically, I think what the author does not consider is 
> that not all apps are created equal. How often have you seen something in the 
> What's New section of an app that menbtions the developer has fixed a memory 
> leak or fixed something which caused excessive use of battery power or they 
> fixed something which caused the app to remain active in the background. I 
> have seen all of these in the last 5 years at some point or another so all it 
> takes is a developer who hasn't done a good job with their code and of course 
> removing the offending app from the app switcher will fix this. Therefore I 
> happily continue to waste 10 or 20 seconds of my valueable time once or twice 
> a day to force quit the apps I don't use. For the amount of time it took the 
> author to write this article and post it, he could have probably closed apps 
> on his phone once a day for years to come especially since I think a sighted 
> person can swipe up and close multiple or even all apps at once.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run 
> faster or last longer
> 
> this one may cause some commenting. I admit I do this closing apps things a 
> lot.
> Mary
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/21/stop-force-closing-apps-on-your-iphone-its-not-making-it-run-faster-or-last-longer
> 
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Re: Audio books in iBooks Question.

[Emilio]

Hello everyone,


I have another question about audio books in the iBooks app.
I was able to get my audio books to appear by asking Siri to "play audio 
books." Now I can select them from within the iBooks app.
However, I have another issue with this process. When selecting an author 
for example, Aldous Huxley, "Brave New World," does not start playing. 
Another audio book starts instead.
This is a little annoying because well, I don't want to hear "The Jungle," 
but the book from the author I've selected.
As a side note: I do merge my audio book files for each novel respectively 
into one mp4 file.
Thus, does anyone have any further solutions on how I can resolve this? 
Does iOS 9.1 fix this problem?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Voice dream writer and dropbox

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Nancy,

Go to Add Files, and choose Import from External Location. If Dropbox is listed 
here, you should be able to choose it. If not, choose More. Whichever services 
are available are listed here. One should be Dropbox. If it's off, double-tap 
to turn it on. Now double-tap Done. You should now be able to access Dropbox 
from the app.

Best,
Anna



> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am trying to add a document to voice stream writer by dropbox. I started in 
> voice dream writer. I double tapped on add document. I double tapped on 
> dropbox. It just sat there. It did not open my Dropbox app. Can anyone tell 
> me what I am doing wrong? I looked for a setting to add my dropbox user ID 
> and password. But I could not find one. Any ideas would be greatly 
> appreciated. I am supposed to finish this document this evening.
> Thanks!
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: unwonted contact sharing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
LOL, using different ID's still work. I have my district's ID for the app 
store, ICloud, but have an own for IMessage. That is why I know it can be done, 
and that is why I have recommended to use an application to make the ID with. 

- Original Message -
From: Christina C.  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: unwonted contact sharing

>
>
> I guess you have three options after you create your own apple ID
> 
> 1. Use family sharing. The family coordinator (oops, I forgot what the 
> official title is) would have the payment information and all purchases would 
> be charged to their credit card unless the purchaser had an iTunes credit due 
> to an iTunes gift card. Then the iTunes credit would be used first.
> 
> 2. You used to be able to have separate apple ID's but still be able to log 
> into the iTunes and app store with a different apple ID in the settings of 
> your phone. For example, you could use your apple ID for iCloud and such but 
> then use your partners apple ID for purchases. It's not ideal but can work if 
> you want access to in app purchases where an app allows one to restore 
> purchases.
> 
> 3. Create your own apple ID's but just use your partner's credit card for 
> your payment information.
> 
> I personally prefer the Family Share option but the downside is that you 
> can't restore in app purchases. Well, I haven't' figured out a way to do 
> this. For example, the KNFB reader, to my knowledge can no longer be shared 
> because of the in app purchase.
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Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Rajmund]

Hello,
What  is 3d touch, even?

- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

>
>
> Hi,
> The original poster means using 3D Touch. Of course the normal way is 
> accessible with voiceover.
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robin Christopherson   > >
> > To: "VIPhone"  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
> > Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dear listers
> >> 
> >> I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to 
> >> hope someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO 
> >> running when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go 
> >> back/ forward between running apps without VO? 
> >> 
> >> It doesn't seem to work with VO running.
> >> 
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
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> 
> Hello,
> Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: "VIPhone"  
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
> Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear listers
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> someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO running 
> when,

Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Connie,

I joined the developer program a couple of years ago, which means a yearly 
payment and access to the betas. There has been a public beta program all year 
as well; I'm not sure how you sign up for it though.

Best,
Anna



> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> Just because I'm curious, what does someone have to do to become a beta 
> tester? Do you have to have any certification or experience? Are you an apple 
> employee?  Thank you for answering my questions.
> Connie 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
> get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of 
> feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
> fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC 
> in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current timeline is 
> incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But 
> Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users 
> than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was 
> released, including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus 
> issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> Everyone,
>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last 
>> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number 
>> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone 
>> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with 
>> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the 
>> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are 
>> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have 
>> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, 
>> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it 
>> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one 
>> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen 
>> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream 
>> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for 
>> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the 
>> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
>>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
>>> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your 
>>> target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't 
>>> going to do something because of a negative reaction by a minority of 
>>> members on this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
>>> 
>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't 
>>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 
>>> 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails 
>>> is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've 
>>> come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on 
>>> this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We 
>>> all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment 
>>> on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
>>> 
>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to 
>>> go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't 
>>> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness 
>>> community.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Hi,
 Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we 
 as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and 
 probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if 
 what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection they 
 complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s too 
 little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy who upgrades 
 every app and every Os to see what features are there and if there 
 are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said before i think 
 it’s stran

Re: new Apple watch and I can't get messages to work - frown

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Keith,

I heard about the update from the Today in iOS podcast. I'm not exactly sure 
how long the update took because I did it early this morning and wasn't able to 
check its process until later. 20 or 25 minutes seems pretty typical for 
updating, though. I just don't think Bluetooth transfers to the watch are very 
fast.

Best,
Anna



> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> How did you learn of the Watch OS update? I'm glad I read your message, 
> otherwise I wouldn't have known.
> 
> After about 25 minutes of waiting for the downloaded Watch OS to install, I 
> got a message from the phone the Watch OS 2.0 is installed and it's up to 
> date. I've double and triple checked, and it does say 2.0, not 2.0.1. The 
> watch tells me it's 2.0.1, though, under settings, so I’m curious if your 
> AppleWatch app is telling you 2.0 instead of 2.0.1. 
> Also, for my future reference,  how long did it take for your update to 
> install, after it was downloaded to your phone? Maybe I'm biased by size, but 
> 25 minutes to update a watch seems long.
> 
> Thanks, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new Apple watch and I can't get messages to work - frown
> 
> Hi Jo,
> 
> check on your iPHone to see whether the messages sent. I sometimes get a 
> message on my watch saying a message wasn't sent, but when I check on the 
> phone, I find out that it was sent.
> 
> Also, there was a new update yesterday to 2.0.1. Maybe that will help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi awesome list.
>> For those of you with the watch...
>> I am fully updated on both iphone and watch and have listened to a number of 
>> David W's podcasts including the one on sending messages. I think I am doing 
>> everything correctly including being able to dictate then select send as 
>> text and send. The message seems to send and makes its little sound but then 
>> a little while later I get notified that the message failed.
>> Are there any settings on either the phone or watch I need to check so that 
>> sending messages will work? BTW, I did receive a message that was sent to me 
>> via my watch so something must be working - smile.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jo
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Braile screen input

[Jennie Facer]

Hi all,

I heard that you can switch it so the Braille screen input will stay in either 
tabletop or screen away mode. How do I do this in iOS 9?
thanks,
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voicestream

[Robert Doc Wright]

Has voicestream always had a problem with sharing Bookshare books?  When 
I attempt to airdrop a book from my phone to my iPad I get a failure.  I 
saw an option to "save to dropbox" but the only thing that gets saved is 
a text file with the book name.

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Resetting iCloud account on iPhone

[Nancy Badger]

Hello,
This is a question for my husband. He had some trouble with his iCloud account 
a few months ago. So he changed the account on his computer. Now, his phone 
will not let him change the account on the phone. The message he gets is "The 
old account is no longer valid." We tried to call Apple and they will not talk 
to him about it unless he buys a Apple care package. Does anyone have any 
suggestions?
Thanks
Nancy

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UT Chattanooga
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Re: If bluetooth device is connected, VoiceOver doesn't recognize it. Anyone Else?

[Alex Hall]

Yes, that happens with my Aftershokz, now that you mention it. The audio has to 
be set up *after* VO is turned on or it won't wrk correctly. I'd definitely 
email Apple about that one.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 16:00, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I’m thinking of writing Apple Accessibility about this, But wanted to run 
> it by ya’ll first.  Scenario is that, when my bluetooth headset is connected, 
> turning VoiceOver on makes it’s output come through the speaker instead of my 
> bluetooth headphones, in my case the Plantronics Backbeat fit.  Now, if I 
> turn voiceover on, then connect the headphones, everything is fine.  Problem 
> is, I don’t do that as I generally leave VO off until I need it to read print 
> that requires too much zooming, my eyes are tired, or I’m testing a11y. 
> Anyone else notice this?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: unwonted contact sharing

[Christina C.]

I guess you have three options after you create your own apple ID

1. Use family sharing. The family coordinator (oops, I forgot what the official 
title is) would have the payment information and all purchases would be charged 
to their credit card unless the purchaser had an iTunes credit due to an iTunes 
gift card. Then the iTunes credit would be used first.

2. You used to be able to have separate apple ID’s but still be able to log 
into the iTunes and app store with a different apple ID in the settings of your 
phone. For example, you could use your apple ID for iCloud and such but then 
use your partners apple ID for purchases. It’s not ideal but can work if you 
want access to in app purchases where an app allows one to restore purchases.

3. Create your own apple ID’s but just use your partner’s credit card for your 
payment information.

I personally prefer the Family Share option but the downside is that you can’t 
restore in app purchases. Well, I haven't’ figured out a way to do this. For 
example, the KNFB reader, to my knowledge can no longer be shared because of 
the in app purchase.

Best of luck and hope you get it squared away.

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Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,
The original poster means using 3D Touch. Of course the normal way is 
accessible with voiceover.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: "VIPhone"  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
> Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear listers
>> 
>> I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to hope 
>> someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO 
>> running when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go 
>> back/ forward between running apps without VO? 
>> 
>> It doesn't seem to work with VO running.
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Bring up the app switcher, and try there? Flicking left and right, that is.

- Original Message -
From: Robin Christopherson  
To: "VIPhone"  
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:12 pm
Subject: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

>
>
> Dear listers
>  
> I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to hope 
> someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO running 
> when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go back/ forward 
> between running apps without VO? 
>  
> It doesn't seem to work with VO running.
>  
> Thanks
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Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

[MamaPeach]

There used to be a game called Do You Know The Word that was similar to 7 
Little Words. I still have it on my device, but it is no longer in the app 
store. I do enjoy playing 7 Little Words though. Another favorite of mine is 
Word Ladder and Wordzinga.


-Original Message- 
From: Kathy Metters

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

I absolutely love seven little words.  I'm currently playing my third pack 
of puzzles. It is really easy to play and fun. I play this game daily. It is 
a good thing to buy one of the older puzzle packs of previously published 
daily puzzles, because then you're able to get the puzzles for the last 30 
days. This way, You will always have a new supply of   puzzles. This is one 
of my favorite games and a law along with the iAssociate 2.


Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 11, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Connie Mohney  wrote:

Kim,
I just downloaded seven little words and love it.  I solved my first seven 
puzzles.  I'm playing on an iPhone 4S and an iPod touch 5th generation.  I 
didn't get the paid version because I wanted to make sure I would like it 
first. How do I get more puzzles? Thank you.

Connie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Krister Ekstrom

Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

Pyramid 13 is available here in Sweden, because i have it.
/Krister


11 okt. 2015 kl. 15:20 skrev MamaPeach :

It comes right up when I put in Pyramid 13. Try putting in the 
developer's name which is InfinitApps. Not sure if it is available 
outside the US or not.


-Original Message- From: Kim Samco
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

You're right.  This is a fun topic.

I couldn't find Pyramid 13 in the app store.

I have a lot of games but my favorites are Cribbage pro, blindfold 
Wildcard, 7 Little Words, hangman to name a few.


Kim




On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Devin Prater  
wrote:


What text adventures do you like? I like adventure and fBlind Legend is okay, but it still feels like the simple arcade "hear 
the direction of the sound and hit it." I'm used to console games, like 
mortal kombat and real fighting games like that, but if there is a 
text-based game that's actually good, I'd love to play it. MUD's are 
okay, but I've never really found one that's completely comfortable for 
me, as some have found Alteraeon to be.


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On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Michael Feir  
wrote:


I believe I've tried nearly every game available on iOS. Currently,
I'm really enjoying Blind Legend. Dice world, King of Dragon Pass,
Papa Sangre II, Audio defence Accessible Video Poker, and all sorts
of text adventures thanks to the Frotz app. Have a great weekend.
Happy Thanksgiving to any fellow Canadians on this list.


On 10/10/15, May McDonald  wrote:
What is pyramid 13? I haven't heard of that one.


On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Jen Barr  wrote:

I am addicted to pyramid 13! Fun game!

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:

what is lost cities?


On 10/10/15, Stacy Fuehrer  wrote:
I have dice world and lost cities, as well as audio archery.
Stacy

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On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Aleeha Dudley

wrote:

Hey all,
I’m the kind of person who loves games on her phone. I’m
currently in search of new ones, and am writing to see if you
all have any suggestions.
The game itself does not have to be new to the app store, but
I’d love to know what everyone is playing.
Aleeha

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[rajmund]

Hello,
They can force me to Alex, I ain't using him!!! :) As for Samantha, try 
disabling pitch change, and use her? Tha works for me

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> On 22 Oct 2015, at 8:20 p.m., M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
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Voice dream writer and dropbox

[Nancy Badger]

Hello,
I am trying to add a document to voice stream writer by dropbox. I started in 
voice dream writer. I double tapped on add document. I double tapped on 
dropbox. It just sat there. It did not open my Dropbox app. Can anyone tell me 
what I am doing wrong? I looked for a setting to add my dropbox user ID and 
password. But I could not find one. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I 
am supposed to finish this document this evening.
Thanks!
Nancy

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UT Chattanooga
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Re: How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Daniel Miller]

It’s not accessible right now, but check if it’s accessible in 9.1.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Robin Christopherson 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear listers
>  
> I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to hope 
> someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO running 
> when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go back/ forward 
> between running apps without VO?
>  
> It doesn’t seem to work with VO running.
>  
> Thanks
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How do you swipe between running apps on iPhone 6S

[Robin Christopherson]

Dear listers

I asked this a while ago but got no takers so rewording/resubmitting to hope 
someone has the answer. How can we swipe between running apps with VO running 
when, I believe, people usually force-swipe left or right to go back/ forward 
between running apps without VO? 

It doesn’t seem to work with VO running.

Thanks

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Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

[Kathy Metters]

 I absolutely love seven little words.  I'm currently playing my third pack of 
puzzles. It is really easy to play and fun. I play this game daily. It is a 
good thing to buy one of the older puzzle packs of previously published daily 
puzzles, because then you're able to get the puzzles for the last 30 days. This 
way, You will always have a new supply of   puzzles. This is one of my favorite 
games and a law along with the iAssociate 2.

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
> 
> Kim,
> I just downloaded seven little words and love it.  I solved my first seven 
> puzzles.  I'm playing on an iPhone 4S and an iPod touch 5th generation.  I 
> didn't get the paid version because I wanted to make sure I would like it 
> first. How do I get more puzzles? Thank you.
> Connie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
> 
> Pyramid 13 is available here in Sweden, because i have it.
> /Krister
> 
>> 11 okt. 2015 kl. 15:20 skrev MamaPeach :
>> 
>> It comes right up when I put in Pyramid 13. Try putting in the developer's 
>> name which is InfinitApps. Not sure if it is available outside the US or not.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Kim Samco
>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>> 
>> You're right.  This is a fun topic.
>> 
>> I couldn't find Pyramid 13 in the app store.
>> 
>> I have a lot of games but my favorites are Cribbage pro, blindfold Wildcard, 
>> 7 Little Words, hangman to name a few.
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What text adventures do you like? I like adventure and f>> Blind Legend is okay, but it still feels like the simple arcade "hear the 
>>> direction of the sound and hit it." I'm used to console games, like mortal 
>>> kombat and real fighting games like that, but if there is a text-based game 
>>> that's actually good, I'd love to play it. MUD's are okay, but I've never 
>>> really found one that's completely comfortable for me, as some have found 
>>> Alteraeon to be.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:
 
 I believe I've tried nearly every game available on iOS. Currently, 
 I'm really enjoying Blind Legend. Dice world, King of Dragon Pass, 
 Papa Sangre II, Audio defence Accessible Video Poker, and all sorts 
 of text adventures thanks to the Frotz app. Have a great weekend. 
 Happy Thanksgiving to any fellow Canadians on this list.
 
> On 10/10/15, May McDonald  wrote:
> What is pyramid 13? I haven't heard of that one.
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Jen Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> I am addicted to pyramid 13! Fun game!
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> what is lost cities?
>>> 
 On 10/10/15, Stacy Fuehrer  wrote:
 I have dice world and lost cities, as well as audio archery.
 Stacy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Aleeha Dudley 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> I’m the kind of person who loves games on her phone. I’m 
> currently in search of new ones, and am writing to see if you 
> all have any suggestions.
> The game itself does not have to be new to the app store, but 
> I’d love to know what everyone is playing.
> Aleeha
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If bluetooth device is connected, VoiceOver doesn't recognize it. Anyone Else?

[Pete Nalda]

Ok, I’m thinking of writing Apple Accessibility about this, But wanted to run 
it by ya’ll first.  Scenario is that, when my bluetooth headset is connected, 
turning VoiceOver on makes it’s output come through the speaker instead of my 
bluetooth headphones, in my case the Plantronics Backbeat fit.  Now, if I turn 
voiceover on, then connect the headphones, everything is fine.  Problem is, I 
don’t do that as I generally leave VO off until I need it to read print that 
requires too much zooming, my eyes are tired, or I’m testing a11y. Anyone else 
notice this?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: unwonted contact sharing

[rajmund]

Hello,
I'd recommend setting it up through an app, rather than with safari, I failed 
at the capcha. Just create on create a apple ID, and it should be obvious from 
then on. If not, give us a shout.

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> On 22 Oct 2015, at 7:43 p.m., 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Sorry for the unimaginative question, but can anyone walk me through how to 
> set up a new Apple ID?
> Thanks very much, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 16:01, Billy Maynard  wrote:
>> 
>> hi Sandra,
>> 
>> hi, you could Ithink have sepret apple ids with the same payment information 
>> or the simpler way might be family shairing.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: unwonted contact sharing
>> 
>> 
>> Mark,
>> Thanks for this advice. however, just one worry on my part, I rather like 
>> using his credit card to buy my apps… if we had separate Apple ID is what 
>> does not mean that I had to pay for my own apps myself?
>> 
>> shamefully smiling, the erstwhile feminist, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 07:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sandy,
>>> 
>>> You know, the simplest solution is for you to use separate Apple IDs.
>>> 
>>> If you're concerned about purchased items from the App Store, you can turn 
>>> on Family Sharing and be in business.
>>> 
>>> Regardless of how often either of you use iTunes on a computer, separate 
>>> IDs offer the best integrity against problems such as what you have 
>>> described.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: unwonted contact sharing
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> I wonder if anyone can help: I have an iPhone 6 my partner a 6S plus. to 
>>> begin with Siri started calling him by my name and then when he corrected 
>>> the phone identity, Siri started calling me by his name! now our contacts 
>>> seem to be syn ching, but we don't want this, and, moreover, having put a 
>>> new contact onto his phone it seems to have disappeared.
>>> 
>>> we are now using the same wireless network and we do have a shared Apple 
>>> ID. can anyone suggest how we can clearly D-mark the identities of our 
>>> phones and keep our information separate? I should say that I don't tend to 
>>> use iTunes and my partner only uses it rarely. So, I don't have, for 
>>> example, a backup of my phone on the computer. don't know if that is 
>>> relevant…
>>> 
>>> thanks for any ideas, Sandy(The real one!)
>>> 
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Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[Kimber Gardner]

I did a bit more investigating ... I called Verizon and the tech
support person told me they no longer will unlock/activate any iPhone
older than an iPhone 6. That totally surprised me. It seems like such
a rip-off and designed to force people into buying new phones. But at
least I know the person from Sprint probably wasn't making stuff up.





On 10/22/15, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> It sounded like bs to me as well, like an attempt to sell her a new
> iPhone, but I couldn't find any evidence to back that up.
>
>
>
> On 10/22/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Sounds like BS to me. One thing I am not sure about is whether a Verizon
>> 4S
>> will work on Sprint, but if it does than she could just go and get a
>> Micro
>> SIM from Sprint and put it in her phone, there is no reason why she would
>> even have to tell Sprint what phone she is using if she is off-contract.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:20 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got
>> destroyed.
>> The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I thought I could
>> call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit her to activate
>> the
>> phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it may have been someone
>> from
>> sprint) that they won't allow her to activate an unlocked phone older
>> than
>> an iPhone 5.
>>
>> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone and
>> I'm
>> wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kimber
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Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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Re: Questions about alarm feature in IOS9

[joseph hudson]

Hello Barbara, unfortunately there is no way to limit that that time the alarm 
continues to sound. It will continue to sound until you get back to stop it.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Barbara J. Wagreich  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have an IPHone 5s running IOS9 and have the following questions about the 
> alarm feature:
> 
> 1) How long will the alarm ring/vibrate before it stops?  that is if you 
> forget to take the iPhone with youand can't turn off the alarm.
> 
> 2) Is there a setting to limit the length of the alarm?  if so, where is it?  
> no one seems o have found such a setting in IOS9.
> 
> thanks very much for your help.
> Barbara Wagreich
> 
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RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Connie Mohney]

Hi Anna,
Just because I'm curious, what does someone have to do to become a beta tester? 
Do you have to have any certification or experience? Are you an apple employee? 
 Thank you for answering my questions.
Connie 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing


hi,

I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of feedback 
I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have fixed that I've 
reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC in June and iPhone 
releases in September, as I think the current timeline is incredibly tight. It 
seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely 
trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, 
and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial 
ones like answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing 
reasonably well overall.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Everyone,
> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last 
> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number 
> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone 
> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with 
> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the 
> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are 
> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have 
> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I 
> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the 
> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, 
> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it 
> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one 
> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen 
> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream 
> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for 
> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the 
> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple 
>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that 
>> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your 
>> target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't 
>> going to do something because of a negative reaction by a minority of 
>> members on this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
>> 
>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't 
>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 
>> 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails 
>> is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've 
>> come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on 
>> this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We 
>> all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment 
>> on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
>> 
>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to 
>> go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom 
>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't 
>> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness 
>> community.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we 
>>> as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and 
>>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if 
>>> what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection they 
>>> complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s too 
>>> little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy who upgrades 
>>> every app and every Os to see what features are there and if there 
>>> are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said before i think 
>>> it’s strange that Apple gets so many complaints about things that 
>>> aren’t even their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don’t 
>>> work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn’t anything like this 
>>> complaining. Nobody ever said that ”freedom scientific or GW Micro 
>>> or Dolphin has abandoned us and don’t give a fig about us”. So are 
>>> there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of cod

Questions about alarm feature in IOS9

[Barbara J. Wagreich]

Dear List:

I have an IPHone 5s running IOS9 and have the following questions about 
the alarm feature:


1) How long will the alarm ring/vibrate before it stops?  that is if you 
forget to take the iPhone with youand can't turn off the alarm.


2) Is there a setting to limit the length of the alarm?  if so, where is 
it?  no one seems o have found such a setting in IOS9.


thanks very much for your help.
Barbara Wagreich

Re: Dead phone

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Considering the sighted can't see anything, a 3 finger triple tap? 

- Original Message -
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  
To: "'viphone@googlegroups.com'"  
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:35 pm
Subject: RE: Dead phone

>
>
> I'm confused about your situation. But if the screen curtain is on and 
> somehow your voice over volume is zero, that scenario sounds to me like your 
> describing, possibly.
> 
> Have you tried a 2-finger swipe up to get voice over working and then use the 
> volume up button?
> 
> I suspect you've tried this and that communication is somewhere in this 
> thread, but just in case you haven't, I'm sending this on.
> 
> Have you called Apple Accessibility?
> 
> Keith.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dead phone
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> I suppose you might have seen a note I sent on Wayne's thread about his 
> experience. But in case not: when I say dead screen, I mean, dead. No 
> gestures work. Sighted husband sees nothing on screen with VO disabled. And 
> here you see I am entering data with my lightning connected keyboard. In 
> short, everything on this phone is working but the screen, which is totally 
> gone. 
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Mary,
> > 
> > I am sending this to you directly as well since it seems you may not have 
> > seen my earlier message.
> > 
> > Have you tried my suggestion which was to see if typing style has been 
> > reset to the default which is standard typing. If this happens it may seem 
> > something is terribly wrong when you come to the passcode screen because 
> > you can touch the numbers, Voiceover will announce them, but nothing is 
> > typed because you are used to touch typing and would have to double tap or 
> > split tap the numbers in order to enter your passcode with standard typing.
> > 
> > If your iPhone is being recognized by iTunes I also don't see why you would 
> > need to enter DFU/recovery mode. You could just connect it, do a backup and 
> > then do a restore. When it initially finishes the restore I suggest you set 
> > it up as a new phone to make sure everything works, you can always restore 
> > from your backup once you know everything is good. Sometimes things can go 
> > wrong on a phone and certain issues can be part of a backup so if 
> > everything is good when the phone is set up as a new phone and you run into 
> > issues again after rstoring from the backup then it's time to bit into the 
> > sour Apple so to speak and to just set up as a new phone and to redo 
> > everything from scratch, e.g. set up your email, download your apps, 
> > arrange them the way you want on the home screens and folders etc. It's a 
> > lot of work, but sometimes it can be worth it.
> > 
> > When you say "the screen is dead" what exactly do you mean? Does not 
> > Voiceover read what apps are on the screen and can you not swipe around, 
> > open apps etc.?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Mary Otten
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Dead phone
> > 
> > Well folks,
> > It looks like my phone is dead. I tried several times to get it to restart, 
> > but every time, I get to that screen where it wants my passcode, because I 
> > have touch ID to unlock the phone. And I can't enter a passcode, because 
> > none of my gestures are seen, and voice over doesn't speak. It's like the 
> > screen is dead, although the phone talks and the buttons work. I have a 
> > friend who had something similar happen, and he has a 5S. In his case, 
> > after nothing was working, voiceover wasn't talking, screen seemed dead 
> > etc,  he did the force restart. After that, voiceover came back. But for 
> > me, no such luck. I wonder how common this is. The folks at the store just 
> > said it's a dead phone. But I wonder. Is it some kind of weird interaction 
> > between iOS nine and VoiceOver? Has anybody heard of this happening to 
> > others, with or without voiceover? And while I'm at it, why don't earth 
> > does Apple want your pass code once you restart your phone and want to use 
> > touch ID? I mean, it's not like somebody can rip your finger off and use it 
> > and not have to know your passcode. It seems stupid. What am I missing?
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,

I found out the reason, it didn't like IMessage plus downloading the update. 
Once I left it, it instantly updated. When I came up, I saw the light of the 
screen, so knew it was updating,  but  it worried me for a sec. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:30 pm
Subject: RE: iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> Yes, I believe if you are not plugged in you have to be above 50% for the 
> update to start.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Hello,
> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because 
> I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery before 
> it downloads?
> 
> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> > On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver  wrote:
> > 
> > Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> > stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Marissa Solaun
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > Attention everyone:
> > 
> > iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release) 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,
First, IOS9.2 is the first thing I've really played with. So, I'm not sure what 
8 was like. But just after almost 2 months,  we already had 3 bug fixes, so 
hopefully, they'll fix the rest of it, too. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:29 pm
Subject: RE: iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> Hi Mario,
> 
> Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should 
> let them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big 
> deal for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
> connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
> silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
> heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or 
> at least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
> whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
> inbox.
> 
> I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
> keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
> better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
> improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we 
> are now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
> publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to 
> be fixed.
> 
> I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
> think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are 
> no battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, 
> but I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real 
> crappy version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Navarro
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
> 
> 
> a shame.
> 
> I do not want to believe it.
> I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the 
> blind.
> 
> apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
> had in recent times with the blind?
> only 5 bugs have been fixed.
> and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
> a shame
> 
> These were the bugs fixed.
> 
> 
> Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
> list of 5 items
> • In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
> grouped conversation rather than saying "multiple messages".
> • Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
> when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
> appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
> text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare 
> websites).
> • VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
> • Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
> VoiceOver > Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only 
> situation where voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited 
> storage space available on your device or poor internet connectivity).
> list end
> 
> 
> as 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:
> > Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> > stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> >
> > Attention everyone:
> >
> > iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
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Re: unwonted contact sharing

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Sorry for the unimaginative question, but can anyone walk me through how to set 
up a new Apple ID?
Thanks very much, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 16:01, Billy Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi Sandra,
> 
> hi, you could Ithink have sepret apple ids with the same payment information 
> or the simpler way might be family shairing.
> - Original Message - From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:39 AM
> Subject: Re: unwonted contact sharing
> 
> 
> Mark,
> Thanks for this advice. however, just one worry on my part, I rather like 
> using his credit card to buy my apps… if we had separate Apple ID is what 
> does not mean that I had to pay for my own apps myself?
> 
> shamefully smiling, the erstwhile feminist, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 07:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sandy,
>> 
>> You know, the simplest solution is for you to use separate Apple IDs.
>> 
>> If you're concerned about purchased items from the App Store, you can turn 
>> on Family Sharing and be in business.
>> 
>> Regardless of how often either of you use iTunes on a computer, separate IDs 
>> offer the best integrity against problems such as what you have described.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: unwonted contact sharing
>> 
>> hi,
>> I wonder if anyone can help: I have an iPhone 6 my partner a 6S plus. to 
>> begin with Siri started calling him by my name and then when he corrected 
>> the phone identity, Siri started calling me by his name! now our contacts 
>> seem to be syn ching, but we don't want this, and, moreover, having put a 
>> new contact onto his phone it seems to have disappeared.
>> 
>> we are now using the same wireless network and we do have a shared Apple ID. 
>> can anyone suggest how we can clearly D-mark the identities of our phones 
>> and keep our information separate? I should say that I don't tend to use 
>> iTunes and my partner only uses it rarely. So, I don't have, for example, a 
>> backup of my phone on the computer. don't know if that is relevant…
>> 
>> thanks for any ideas, Sandy(The real one!)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I confirm the focus, and that's truly wonderful. But, are you dictating, or 
writing your emails?  Do you have screen curtain on or off? 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:11 pm
Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> For whatever it's worth, I don't have this problem on my 5S nor on my 6S. If 
> I send an email I hear the sound it makes that the email is sent and I can 
> immediately continue to do other things or go into another email that I want 
> to reply to.
> 
> Also, the focus bug has been fixed, if you are now in say message 15 of your 
> Inbox and you go into the message and back out focus will remail on that 
> message rather than jumping back up to the top.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> LOL, similar feelings. How many are in a thread, since I have it disabled in 
> the first place But restarting VO, or wait minutes and minutes between 
> sending messages, Hmm. Fortunately for some, they have note takers so I'm 
> back to that, when there are a lot, even though VO could read much quicker 
> than this thing, but sending is currently quicker on here.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:23 am
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> >
> >
> > Having crap inserted into your messages, having your machine freeze up 
> > every time this bug appears, and finding it distracting are none of them 
> > trivial. If it doesn't bother you, that is wonderful. As for me, I really 
> > don't give a damn about whether the number of messages in the thread is 
> > announced. I understand others do, and that's great. For those people, I'm 
> > glad this bug was fixed. But please don't call other bugs trivial, just 
> > because they don't mean much to you. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I second that Daniel. If Apple fixed every trivial bug that someone had 
> > > because it's distracting to them, do you think that the more serious bugs 
> > > like Bluetooth not working or the number of messages in a thread not 
> > > being spoken in Mail would ever be fixed? Probably not until a later 
> > > version. I don't find it distracting at all and even if dictation screwed 
> > > something up, I can always shake my phone to perform the undo action. So 
> > > to the person that asked if we beta testers report bugs, the answer is 
> > > yes we do. But I won't report something unless it's serious enough for me 
> > > to be concerned about. If you really do believe that Apple should fix 
> > > this so-called bug, then join the beta program. Sorry if this may sound 
> > > pissy, but personally, I don't see the big deal. I kinda find it helpful.
> > > 
> > > Shawn
> > > Sent From My White MacBook
> > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> To each their own, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
> > >> I personally don't find it distracting.
> > >> 
> > >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Marissa Solaun 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Have to agree with Marry and not Daniel 
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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I know people can't speak about  it, and I don't expect them to, either. But is 
the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?

- Original Message -
From: Woody Anna Dresner  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> hi,
> 
> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't 
> get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of 
> feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have 
> fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC 
> in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current timeline is 
> incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But 
> Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users 
> than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was 
> released, including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus 
> issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > 
> > Everyone,
> > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
> > year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
> > were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
> > across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
> > iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
> > buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
> > bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
> > been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
> > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
> > look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
> > is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
> > else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
> > reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
> > software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
> > the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
> > software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
> > 
> > Wayne
> > 
> > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
> >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
> >> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
> >> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
> >> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
> >> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
> >> 
> >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
> >> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
> >> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
> >> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
> >> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
> >> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
> >> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
> >> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
> >> 
> >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
> >> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
> >> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
> >> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as
> >>> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will
> >>> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been
> >>> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the
> >>> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of
> >>> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see
> >>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's
> >>> perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many
> >>> complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are
> >>> not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn't
> >>> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific
> >>> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So
> >>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever
> >>> bug free. Should w

Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Rajmund]

Hello,

So, you double tap the send button. The screen freezes. Or rather, delays a 
good few minutes. The work  around is to restart voice over, in which case,  
everything returns to normal, instantly. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: Dictation bug fixed?

>
>
> What email bug is that, can you explain what exactly is happening with your 
> email?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
> 
> Hello,
> Me, the email bug is making me mad. Perhaps, the most obvious bug of all, and 
> it's still there
> 
> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> > On 21 Oct 2015, at 10:33 p.m., Marissa Solaun  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > If people are beta testing these things I understand things are not 100% 
> > perfect but really do people actually report bugs to Apple? I understand it 
> > released will have its bugs but this is kind of ridiculous then, when you 
> > email Apple they say that they cannot reproduce the issue even if you give 
> > them the steps. Where they say that it's specific to your device and that 
> > you should contact Apple's technical support 
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RE: screen lock seems to ignore user settings

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Well, I can tell you that the phone respects every screen lock setting I 
choose.  That is to say, when I set the screen to lock after 4 minutes, it does 
not lock until 4 minutes have passed.  When I then set it to lock after 30 
seconds, so, too, does it perform.

Mark

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chris
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: screen lock seems to ignore user settings

Hi

To enable low power mode go to Settings > battery and it is the first item. 
Only on iPhone.



On 22/10/2015 17:24, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone wrote:
> Hi all
>
> 2 quick questions. Firstly, how do you enable low power/power-saving mode? 
> Secondly, every time I've read an e-mail and return to my inbox VO says 
> "switch to full-screen mode". What does this mean, and how do you go about 
> doing so?
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eleanor
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 14:43, Sherrie  wrote:
>>
>> I agree that it ignores user settings but my problem with my 6S is that half 
>> the time it does not lock at all.  I had it set for 5 minutes and changed it 
>> to 4 but no difference.   Now that I have upgraded to the 6S from my old 5 I 
>> want it to lock since the fingerprint unlock works great! Haven't installed 
>> 9.1 yet since i wanted to check on the list to  see if there were any major 
>> problems first.
>> Sherrie
>> e
>>
>> -Original Message- From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: screen lock seems to ignore user settings
>>
>> I have it set to 5 minutes before it locks.  Low power mode is not enabled. 
>> However, The phone
>> locks well before the 5 minute timeout.  What else do I need to turn on or 
>> off
>>
>>
>> Ray T. Mahorney
>> WA4WGA
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Re: screen lock seems to ignore user settings

[chris]

Hi

To enable low power mode go to Settings > battery and it is the first 
item. Only on iPhone.




On 22/10/2015 17:24, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone wrote:

Hi all

2 quick questions. Firstly, how do you enable low power/power-saving mode? Secondly, 
every time I've read an e-mail and return to my inbox VO says "switch to full-screen 
mode". What does this mean, and how do you go about doing so?

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks.

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad


On 22 Oct 2015, at 14:43, Sherrie  wrote:

I agree that it ignores user settings but my problem with my 6S is that half 
the time it does not lock at all.  I had it set for 5 minutes and changed it to 
4 but no difference.   Now that I have upgraded to the 6S from my old 5 I want 
it to lock since the fingerprint unlock works great! Haven't installed 9.1 yet 
since i wanted to check on the list to  see if there were any major problems 
first.
Sherrie
e

-Original Message- From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen lock seems to ignore user settings

I have it set to 5 minutes before it locks.  Low power mode is not enabled. 
However, The phone
locks well before the 5 minute timeout.  What else do I need to turn on or off


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA



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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Just something. For the first time, ever, I unlocked my unit, and I noticed 
that it was silent. Then I remembered the time is no longer announced. I can't 
care less, but I found it strange at first. OK, not first time, but first time 
since the update. 

- Original Message -
From: Wayne Merritt  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

>
>
> Everyone,
> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last
> year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number
> were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone
> across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with
> iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the
> buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are
> bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have
> been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with.
> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I
> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the
> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought,
> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it
> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one
> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen
> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream
> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for
> the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the
> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> > Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple
> > doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will
> > be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target
> > isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do
> > something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on
> > this list or in any community then you'd never do anything.
> >
> > You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't
> > mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9,
> > answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so
> > bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to
> > depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list
> > about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use
> > our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user
> > because they're more impacted by a bug than we are.
> >
> > I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go
> > before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has
> > gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism
> > for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community.
> >
> >
> > On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as
> >> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will
> >> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been
> >> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the
> >> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of
> >> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see
> >> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's
> >> perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many
> >> complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are
> >> not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn't
> >> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific
> >> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So
> >> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever
> >> bug free. Should we report them?
> >  Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem
> > but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here and on other
> > forums where  blind folks and Apple are the common denominator.
> >>
> >> /Krister
> >>
> >>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor :
> >>>
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that
> >>> with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a
> >>> problem,
> >>> regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not
> >>> always
> >>> addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever.
> >>>
> >>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the
> >>> less
> >>> responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may
> >>

Re: Does anyone here know/can remind me how to pair a Keys-To-Go bluetooth keyboard with IPad please?

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi 

Thanks for the instructions. I'd got that far, but have completely forgotten 
where the pairing button is on the Keys-To-Go keyboard. So if anyone knows 
would be much appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 19:13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> 
> Settings, bluetooth, then look for the device you want to pare with.  Then 
> double tap it.  Note, make sure the device is turned on and in range.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad Air
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all 
>> 
>> Just wondered if anyone onn this list uses a Keys-To-Go bluetoothh keyboard? 
>> If so, please could someone remind me how I pair it with my IPad?? I've just 
>> updated and am re-pairing the keyboard just to be on the safe side, but my 
>> mind's gone totally blank! So if anyone knows how to pair this particular 
>> keyboard and can tell me would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Eleanor 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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RE: new Apple watch and I can't get messages to work - frown

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi Anna,

How did you learn of the Watch OS update? I'm glad I read your message, 
otherwise I wouldn't have known.

After about 25 minutes of waiting for the downloaded Watch OS to install, I got 
a message from the phone the Watch OS 2.0 is installed and it's up to date. 
I've double and triple checked, and it does say 2.0, not 2.0.1. The watch tells 
me it's 2.0.1, though, under settings, so I’m curious if your AppleWatch app is 
telling you 2.0 instead of 2.0.1. 
Also, for my future reference,  how long did it take for your update to 
install, after it was downloaded to your phone? Maybe I'm biased by size, but 
25 minutes to update a watch seems long.

Thanks, Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new Apple watch and I can't get messages to work - frown

Hi Jo,

check on your iPHone to see whether the messages sent. I sometimes get a 
message on my watch saying a message wasn't sent, but when I check on the 
phone, I find out that it was sent.

Also, there was a new update yesterday to 2.0.1. Maybe that will help.

Best,
Anna



> On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Jodie Hoger  wrote:
> 
> Hi awesome list.
> For those of you with the watch...
> I am fully updated on both iphone and watch and have listened to a number of 
> David W's podcasts including the one on sending messages. I think I am doing 
> everything correctly including being able to dictate then select send as text 
> and send. The message seems to send and makes its little sound but then a 
> little while later I get notified that the message failed.
> Are there any settings on either the phone or watch I need to check so that 
> sending messages will work? BTW, I did receive a message that was sent to me 
> via my watch so something must be working - smile.
> Thanks in advance,
> Jo
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: Does anyone here know/can remind me how to pair a Keys-To-Go bluetooth keyboard with IPad please?

[Alan Paganelli]

Settings, bluetooth, then look for the device you want to pare with.  Then 
double tap it.  Note, make sure the device is turned on and in range.

HTH


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> Just wondered if anyone onn this list uses a Keys-To-Go bluetoothh keyboard? 
> If so, please could someone remind me how I pair it with my IPad?? I've just 
> updated and am re-pairing the keyboard just to be on the safe side, but my 
> mind's gone totally blank! So if anyone knows how to pair this particular 
> keyboard and can tell me would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member

[Kimber Gardner]

It sounded like bs to me as well, like an attempt to sell her a new
iPhone, but I couldn't find any evidence to back that up.



On 10/22/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sounds like BS to me. One thing I am not sure about is whether a Verizon 4S
> will work on Sprint, but if it does than she could just go and get a Micro
> SIM from Sprint and put it in her phone, there is no reason why she would
> even have to tell Sprint what phone she is using if she is off-contract.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:20 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Unlocking a 4s to give to a family member
>
> Hi All,
>
> I want to give my iPhone 4s to my step-daughter whose phone got destroyed.
> The thing is, I am with Verizon and she is with Sprint. I thought I could
> call Verizon and get an unlock code which would permit her to activate the
> phone with Sprint. However, someone told her (it may have been someone from
> sprint) that they won't allow her to activate an unlocked phone older than
> an iPhone 5.
>
> I have no experience with sprint or with passing along an old iPhone and I'm
> wondering if this is true. Can anybody shed some light on this issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Kimber
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Does anyone here know/can remind me how to pair a Keys-To-Go bluetooth keyboard with IPad please?

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi all 

Just wondered if anyone onn this list uses a Keys-To-Go bluetoothh keyboard? If 
so, please could someone remind me how I pair it with my IPad?? I've just 
updated and am re-pairing the keyboard just to be on the safe side, but my 
mind's gone totally blank! So if anyone knows how to pair this particular 
keyboard and can tell me would be much appreciated. 

Many thanks. 

Eleanor 

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Re: Dead phone

[Mary Otten]

Hi Keith,

No, this isn't a vo issue. Vo talks, announcing one single item when, say, the 
home button is pressed, or the sleep button on the side is pressed to lock the 
screen etc. This is a dead screen issue. This phone is working right now as I 
type the reply on an external keyboard.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused about your situation. But if the screen curtain is on and 
> somehow your voice over volume is zero, that scenario sounds to me like your 
> describing, possibly.
> 
> Have you tried a 2-finger swipe up to get voice over working and then use the 
> volume up button?
> 
> I suspect you've tried this and that communication is somewhere in this 
> thread, but just in case you haven't, I'm sending this on.
> 
> Have you called Apple Accessibility?
> 
> Keith.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dead phone
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> I suppose you might have seen a note I sent on Wayne's thread about his 
> experience. But in case not: when I say dead screen, I mean, dead. No 
> gestures work. Sighted husband sees nothing on screen with VO disabled. And 
> here you see I am entering data with my lightning connected keyboard. In 
> short, everything on this phone is working but the screen, which is totally 
> gone. 
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I am sending this to you directly as well since it seems you may not have 
>> seen my earlier message.
>> 
>> Have you tried my suggestion which was to see if typing style has been reset 
>> to the default which is standard typing. If this happens it may seem 
>> something is terribly wrong when you come to the passcode screen because you 
>> can touch the numbers, Voiceover will announce them, but nothing is typed 
>> because you are used to touch typing and would have to double tap or split 
>> tap the numbers in order to enter your passcode with standard typing.
>> 
>> If your iPhone is being recognized by iTunes I also don't see why you would 
>> need to enter DFU/recovery mode. You could just connect it, do a backup and 
>> then do a restore. When it initially finishes the restore I suggest you set 
>> it up as a new phone to make sure everything works, you can always restore 
>> from your backup once you know everything is good. Sometimes things can go 
>> wrong on a phone and certain issues can be part of a backup so if everything 
>> is good when the phone is set up as a new phone and you run into issues 
>> again after rstoring from the backup then it's time to bit into the sour 
>> Apple so to speak and to just set up as a new phone and to redo everything 
>> from scratch, e.g. set up your email, download your apps, arrange them the 
>> way you want on the home screens and folders etc. It's a lot of work, but 
>> sometimes it can be worth it.
>> 
>> When you say "the screen is dead" what exactly do you mean? Does not 
>> Voiceover read what apps are on the screen and can you not swipe around, 
>> open apps etc.?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Dead phone
>> 
>> Well folks,
>> It looks like my phone is dead. I tried several times to get it to restart, 
>> but every time, I get to that screen where it wants my passcode, because I 
>> have touch ID to unlock the phone. And I can't enter a passcode, because 
>> none of my gestures are seen, and voice over doesn't speak. It's like the 
>> screen is dead, although the phone talks and the buttons work. I have a 
>> friend who had something similar happen, and he has a 5S. In his case, after 
>> nothing was working, voiceover wasn't talking, screen seemed dead etc,  he 
>> did the force restart. After that, voiceover came back. But for me, no such 
>> luck. I wonder how common this is. The folks at the store just said it's a 
>> dead phone. But I wonder. Is it some kind of weird interaction between iOS 
>> nine and VoiceOver? Has anybody heard of this happening to others, with or 
>> without voiceover? And while I'm at it, why don't earth does Apple want your 
>> pass code once you restart your phone and want to use touch ID? I mean, it's 
>> not like somebody can rip your finger off and use it and not have to know 
>> your passcode. It seems stupid. What am I missing?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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