RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

What Chris means by "custom action" is simply a reference to the new way of 
moving/arranging apps in iOS 10 which you do by flicking up or down when you 
are on the home screen with focus on whichever app you want to move or delete. 
I'm not sure if your braille display shows this, but if you touch an app or 
swipe to an app and wait for just a moment Voiceover says "Actions available". 
This is a reminder that you have actions available if you swipe up or down. As 
I explained before, the options are "Activate" which is the default and which 
simply opens the app or "Arrange Apps" which when activated with a double tap 
or, in your case, Chord 36.
Once you press Chord 36 where it says "Arrange Apps" you then have to do 
whatever your equivalent braille display command is for a swipe up or down (it 
doesn't matter which as there are only 2 options) and then when you are on 
"Actions" you do another Chord 36 and this should bring up the delete 
prompt/confirmation. The other option is "Move" which if you activate it will 
allow you to go elsewhere on the screen and then swipe up or down where you 
find options which allow you to bring the original app to that point and you 
can insert it either before or after the app you are now on or create a folder 
with the two apps. For example, you may have your Settings app in the third row 
and in the second position from the left. Now you want to move it to the first 
row and put it in the very left position where, let's say, you currently have 
the Contacts app. You would first go to the Settings app, select the "Arrange 
Apps" option and activate it, then you would activate the Move option. Now you 
would go all the way to the top on your Contacts app, swipe down (or equivalent 
command) until you get to the option "Place Settings before Contacts", then 
double tap or press Chord 36 and Settings gets moved from row 3 to row 1 at the 
very left, Contacts slides over to row 1 second from the left and, of course, 
all other apps also slide one to the right which means whichever app was at the 
very right of each row is now on the very left in the row below.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Chris,

That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!

I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key command??? 
 Be more specific.

Thank you.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
> much.
> 
> Where are you getting all these stuff?
> 
> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[christopher hallsworth]

Todd, "custom actions" is the feature where you may or may not see on your 
Braille display that there are "actions available" for any screen, such as the 
home screen. They are custom as both Apple and third party developers can have 
whatever they choose as available actions. So that's where I got the "custom" 
from. As for dot and key commands, I do not use a Braille display on iOS, so 
appreciate the dot or key command for a double tap which is now space with dots 
3-6. Hope this answers and clarifies things.


> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:52, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!
> 
> I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key 
> command???  Be more specific.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
> one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
> perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
>> much.
>> 
>> Where are you getting all these stuff?
>> 
>> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
>> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
>> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
>> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
>> always have done pre-iOS 10.
>> 
>> Just a heads up.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To all:
>>> 
>>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  
>>> That is not fair.
>>> 
>>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>> 
>>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>> 
>>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
>>> right commands for that task.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
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Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

Activate, default
Move Facebook

However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so "Move" is actually 
the default.
. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
should further say "Move Facebook, default".

In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't mean they 
can't fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
"Activate" option says "Delete" or "Remove".


Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Eden]

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to Todd. 
Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does not. 
Wonder if it was an update that broke it. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

>
>
> Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,
>  
> I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
> is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.
>  
> What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
> on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:
>  
> Activate, default
> Move Facebook
>  
> However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
> Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange 
> Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down 
> you end up activating the Move function and not the delete function, so 
> "Move" is actually the default.
> . Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
> would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
> should further say "Move Facebook, default".
>  
> In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
> Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
> before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't 
> mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by 
> making it so the "Activate" option says "Delete" or "Remove0..
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Eden,

What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned it 
does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they just 
have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a double tap 
immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps will go 
straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more than the 
delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and do quickly 
do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to swipe is 
definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app very quickly 
and efficiently.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to Todd. 
Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does not. 
Wonder if it was an update that broke it. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

>
>
> Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,
>  
> I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
> is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.
>  
> What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
> on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:
>  
> Activate, default
> Move Facebook
>  
> However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
> Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange 
> Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down 
> you end up activating the Move function and not the delete function, so 
> "Move" is actually the default.
> . Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
> would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
> should further say "Move Facebook, default".
>  
> In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
> Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
> before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't 
> mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by 
> making it so the "Activate" option says "Delete" or "Remove0..
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

Now, you Apple staff, see where you are missing out.

 

You should have done this long before but never have you done so.  Now, you 
should do something about the issue here.

 

You cannot exclude deafblind like this.  You have many customers who are 
deafblind who are strong Braille users.  Look at me a strong Braille user.  
Rich McGann as a strong Braille user.  Therefore, for all, you need to do more 
than that!

 

Based on ADA Title III Public Accommodations, we deafblind have every right as 
the “normal” folks do.  That means we deafblind have the same rights as the 
majority does!

 

Please, Apple staff, take this into consideration to do something about this 
type of issue.

 

Thank y’all.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

 

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Eden]

I just meant it used to say delete is all. In other words it was labelled 
correctly. I used wrong wording. Apologies. Yes it works fine. Once you know 
what it now says, what you described works beautifully. 
Eden

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:33 am
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

>
>
> Hi Eden,
> 
> What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned 
> it does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they 
> just have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a 
> double tap immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps 
> will go straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more 
> than the delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and 
> do quickly do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to 
> swipe is definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app 
> very quickly and efficiently.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eden
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10
> 
> This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to Todd. 
> Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does not. 
> Wonder if it was an update that broke it. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
> Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,
> >  
> > I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that 
> > there is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are 
> > labelled.
> >  
> > What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double 
> > tap on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:
> >  
> > Activate, default
> > Move Facebook
> >  
> > However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
> > Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on 
> > Arrange Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping 
> > up or down you end up activating the Move function and not the delete 
> > function, so "Move" is actually the default.
> > . Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
> > would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and 
> > it should further say "Move Facebook, default".
> >  
> > In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
> > Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
> > before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't 
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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

I still think once you know the correct braille commands this will work 
perfectly well, what I described in my email is not at all taking away from the 
functionality of moving or deleting apps, it is simply a small labelling issue.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: accessibil...@apple.com
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

To all:

Now, you Apple staff, see where you are missing out.

You should have done this long before but never have you done so.  Now, you 
should do something about the issue here.

You cannot exclude deafblind like this.  You have many customers who are 
deafblind who are strong Braille users.  Look at me a strong Braille user.  
Rich McGann as a strong Braille user.  Therefore, for all, you need to do more 
than that!

Based on ADA Title III Public Accommodations, we deafblind have every right as 
the “normal” folks do.  That means we deafblind have the same rights as the 
majority does!

Please, Apple staff, take this into consideration to do something about this 
type of issue.

Thank y’all.

Todd

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

Activate, default
Move Facebook

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.
. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.


Best regards,
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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Yes, the delete feature for iOS should have been enhanced long ago!  But now, 
that it has been brought up to the attention to the staff at Apple 
Accessibility.

Do not forget Microsoft has always had delete.  The, Apple should have done so.

In Windows of any version has delete for years.  Therefore, it should have 
already been enhanced.

We will see what they do.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

Hi Eden,

What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned it 
does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they just 
have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a double tap 
immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps will go 
straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more than the 
delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and do quickly 
do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to swipe is 
definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app very quickly 
and efficiently.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to Todd. 
Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does not. 
Wonder if it was an update that broke it. 

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From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

>
>
> Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,
>  
> I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
> is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.
>  
> What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
> on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:
>  
> Activate, default
> Move Facebook
>  
> However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
> Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange 
> Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down 
> you end up activating the Move function and not the delete function, so 
> "Move" is actually the default.
> . Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
> would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
> should further say "Move Facebook, default".
>  
> In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
> Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
> before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't 
> mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by 
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Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[rajmund]

OK, if I get yelled at, be it. Todd, I don't understand why snap at 
everyone. would it be possible to change your attitude, please?

On 19/11/2016 12:32 AM, Todd Patkus wrote:


Hello, Helga,

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which 
means death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not 
Tod.  Thank you.


Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

Todd

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Behalf Of *Helga Schreiber

*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice 
 memos app in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo 
i s deafblidn uses it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there 
 are  a lot of bugs in software, but one should not complain about 
them; instead, one should suggest in fixig them. If one keeps 
complaining then things will never get fix! I know that using  a 
braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but not 
 impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!


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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus > wrote:


John,

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

The statement I made stands to be correct.

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their
updates!  I am sure Rich will tell you something.

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am
making facts.  That is it.

Todd

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Panarese
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of
one person. It is not universal. What you consider to be important
apps or unimportant apps is not shared among everyone. I agree
with you on things like Stocks and Voice Memos, but I know others
who would not agree with that. So, as the expression goes, Apple
can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the
people all of the time.

   Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product
based on the fact that so many different development teams do so
much different work as updates are made available. I don’t
particularly feel we need yearly updates to operating systems, but
apparently, the majority of those who buy the products do
appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that
have lingered for far too long, but name a software product in
which  one cannot make an equally valid statement. Android,
Windows, etc … they all have them.


Take Care

John D. Panarese

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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sieghard,

The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the
ones that I consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be
"non-native" but those apps that are absolutely useless, such
as voice memos, stocks, should never be native but non-native.
 That is where I stand for.

It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and
should never have been native in the first place.  They missed
the point.  I was one of the ones who spoke out loudly at
Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their products.
 When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt
statement to them making them realize they are just wasting
such efforts making them native.  That cannot be so.

Meant

Re: looking at adding an IPad

[rajmund]

hi, if you go settings, messages, you can turn on iMessages in there.
On 19/11/2016 05:32 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
You know, I'm not sure. I had mine off, I'm not sure how or why that 
happened. But I was at an Apple Store trying to solve a problem with a 
dead iPhone and needed to get the code for my Apple ID for two 
factor verification. So they had to put my iPad mini on the Wi-Fi 
network and then the guy discovered that iMessages were off, so he 
turned them on. But I'm not sure what he did to turn them on. I just 
looked and handoff, and it seems pretty generic, talking about how the 
application will show up that you need to use to continue doing what 
it was you were doing on the other device. So all that long answer to 
say that I really am not sure. I hope someone else can help you better.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


does that fall under handoff?  By the way you may have just explained 
something else to me.  When I was getting ready to dump an IPhone 5, 
I had already put the 6 plus on the network and provisioned it 
including enabling wifi calling. At some point, both phones rang and 
I was able to answer with the 5 Now, I think I know why.

*From:* Mary Otten 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2016 00:08
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: looking at adding an IPad
Hi Ray, enable Wi-Fi calling for your phone if it isn't already. Then 
make sure your iPad and your phone or on the same Wi-Fi network. And 
I think that should do it for you. You can also enable iMessage on 
your iPad so that you can get text messages or at least iMessages, I 
don't know about non-iMessage messages.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2016, at 8:43 PM, 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone 
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When I do this what do I need to set up to enable the IPad to handle 
calls and texts through my primary mobile number?  Did I phrase that 
correctly?

Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[rajmund]

hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and 
left it at that.

On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps 
that there is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options 
are labelled.


What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and 
double tap on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as 
an example:


Activate, default

Move Facebook

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the 
Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on 
Arrange Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without 
swiping up or down you end up activating the Move function and not the 
delete function, so “Move” is actually the default.


. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this 
context it would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” 
or “Remove” and it should further say “Move Facebook, default”.


In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this 
up before I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that 
doesn’t mean they can’t fix it and in fact improve the 
labelling/instructions by making it so the “Activate” option says 
“Delete” or “Remove”.


Best regards,

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Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Richard Turner]

Todd,
You have been able to delete apps since the first iPhone came out.
The only issue now is the spoken label is not exact, but the delete function 
still works.
I Hope That Helps,
Richard


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On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:55 AM, rajmund 
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hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and left it at 
that.
On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

Activate, default
Move Facebook

However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so "Move" is actually 
the default.
. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
should further say "Move Facebook, default".

In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
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"Activate" option says "Delete" or "Remove".


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Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can
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Sent messages

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Hi, how come when I send a message through my computer it doesn't appear in the 
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Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Donna]

The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that one 
can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able to 
watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I have 
recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a program 
when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come across. 

Donna
> 
> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting direct 
> TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once our 
> contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to cover 
> it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the app will 
> do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What parts of it are 
> and are not accessible? Can you actually control the receiver, which I assume 
> is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? What can and can't do you do 
> from the app?
> Mary
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: change in internet providers

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


Hope the change goes well for you.  What isp are you switching to?  I 
use TWC currently and there is no data cap at all.  Most previters now 
have data caps and slow you down to a craw after you reach that cap.



Matthew




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means I will probably not have access to my emails unless I am out, 
just thought I would let everyone know, thanks and have a good weekend 
everyone!

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Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

since I was vice president of american assocation of deaf-blind for eight 
years, I understand what are going on as everyone has different degrees of both 
hearing and visual losses. no problem at all!

be yourself and do whatever you are pleased. just keep gong on. wink!

todd, deaf sometimes use voice memos to help talking to hearing people as deaf 
like to use voice memos and type to make orders or questions with things. there 
are some deaf who like and some other deaf who don’t like. that is okay. I 
would not worry as logn as they please. 

I do appreciate for anyone to help us with some advices for some reasons, and 
since everyone udnerstands that we are defblind and need help. we thank yo for 
all elp you can do for us. and we can determine. wink1 

todd, I do have voice mailgbox at home as it helps. because too many people try 
to get to me and I can’t follow up. so let them leave messages and when my 
sister comes, she can check where ssages come from  like ulititly, company, 
doctor’s office, or whatever as it is tough that people keep forgetting. so let 
go.be gratefu7l. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hello, Helga,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means 
death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod.  Thank you.

 

Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice  memos app 
in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses 
it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there  are  a lot of bugs in 
software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest 
in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know 
that using  a braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but 
not  impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!

  Helga Schreiber 

Group Moderator  

 

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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1


On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus  wrote:

  John,

   

  It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

   

  The statement I made stands to be correct.

   

  Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

   

  No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making 
facts.  That is it.

   

  Todd

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

   

 Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one 
person. It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or 
unimportant apps is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like 
Stocks and Voice Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as 
the expression goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but 
not all of the people all of the time.

   

 Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on 
the fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as 
updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to 
operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products 
do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have 
lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which  one cannot 
make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them.

   

   

  


  Take Care

   

  John D. Panarese

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  Mac for the Blind

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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus  wrote:

 

Sieghard,

  

Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[Richard Turner]

Make sure you are in the note and in edit mode.
Turn the rotor to edit,
flick down to select all and double tap, then flick to copy and double tap.
Then go wherever you want to paste and turn to edit and flick to paste and 
double tap.
HTH,
Richard


"By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

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Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.


blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not 
dealing with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they 
don't realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.


todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.


ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!


Think about it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dani Pagador

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar


You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got 
to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
Braille feedback of everything VO says.


1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button

here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





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On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:

To all:



At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
users.

That
is not fair.



We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.



Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?



A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
right commands for that task.



Thank you.



Todd

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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd,

big high-five to you eden. wink1 thumbs-up!

todd, yes,  eden explains right.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Eden,

Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Eden

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps.

Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app




Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.


Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can 
get to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do 
whatever the braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should 
ask then if you want to delete the app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate. 
That is all I can see!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very 
much from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, 
so I'm having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. 
I can get access to the VO output using Braille.


And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen
would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have,
because I don't have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what
> the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display.
> You've got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But
> there should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with 
> spacebar.

> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and
> Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.

> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


If I am not mastaken, 10.2  is still in beta.  Correct me if I am wrong.


Matthew




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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not 
dealing with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they 
don't realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got 
to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
Braille feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





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> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
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> Todd
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RE: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[Richard Turner]

Yes, it is in beta, but the steps are the same so it is not a beta related 
question.
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
matthew dyer
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2


Hi,



If I am not mastaken, 10.2  is still in beta.  Correct me if I am wrong.



Matthew





On 11/19/2016 06:53 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. wrote:
Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can 
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Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard,

yes, sometimes some issues can work, and if double-tap, then use rotor bar 
and to chek again until see some actions. then double-tap. that is it.


sometimes they don't always work.

for example apple staff claimed thatif I want copy memo for email to 
message, I did follow what staff said: use rotor bar, find edit, then 
double-tap, then go for slelect all, or slelecft left, or lect right, I did 
try select all, and double-tap, thennothing happens as I can't find "py7" as 
I look around and can't find. then when I went to message and got into 
bodily box, and tried paste, as I hit lect all and nohting happens. looks 
like apple is missing something. hope this heps.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

Hi Eden,

What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned 
it does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they 
just have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a 
double tap immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps 
will go straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more 
than the delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and 
do quickly do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to 
swipe is definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app 
very quickly and efficiently.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Eden

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to 
Todd. Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does 
not. Wonder if it was an update that broke it.


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10




Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that 
there is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are 
labelled.


What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double 
tap on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:


Activate, default
Move Facebook

However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on 
Arrange Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping 
up or down you end up activating the Move function and not the delete 
function, so "Move" is actually the default.
. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and 
it should further say "Move Facebook, default".


In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that 
doesn't mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the 
labelling/instructions by making it so the "Activate" option says "Delete" 
or "Remove0..



Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Sent messages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Simon,

What email service do you use? You must be using IMAP, Exchange Active Sync 
(that is Outlook.com) or full Exchange (typically used by businesses) for your 
mail to sync across devices.
Even gmail and Outlook.com accounts can still be set up as POP accounts and 
this service does not support Sent messages syncing across devices or features 
where if you reply to a message say on your computer it will also show as 
replied to on your iPhone with the reply associated to the message etc.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:13 AM
To: CISG 
Subject: Sent messages

Hi, how come when I send a message through my computer it doesn't appear in the 
sent messages on my iPhone? 

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Hi Rich: That's the thing, I'm not seeing edit on the rotor when I'm in the 
note. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

 

 

Make sure you are in the note and in edit mode.

Turn the rotor to edit,

flick down to select all and double tap, then flick to copy and double tap.

Then go wherever you want to paste and turn to edit and flick to paste and 
double tap.

HTH,

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:53 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:

Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can 
anyone tell me how I can copy and paste a note? Thanks. 

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Getting tones from iTunes on PC to iPhone

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

Is this possible?

I purchased a ringtone in the past, but it did not get onto my phone when I set 
up my iPhone 7 from an encrypted backup from my iPhone 6.

Apparently, the only way I can get this is via iTunes on my PC, at least that's 
what the Apple help folks are telling me.

I've looked around within iTunes on my Windows 7  machine running JAWS 17 
latest version, but can't find a way to do this. No Tones options appear 
anywhere.

I'd appreciate learning if this is possible and how to do.

Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





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> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
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Re: Sent messages

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I use both POP and IMAP, and regardless of what I send from, for example this 
braille sense, using POP, my IMAP devices will show the messages that were sent 
off the u2, so since they upload it to the server.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:35 pm
Subject: RE: Sent messages

>
>
> Hi Simon,
> 
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> this service does not support Sent messages syncing across devices or 
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
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On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it.
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To all:



At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech

Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[Richard Turner]

hi John,
I am also running iOS 10.2, beta 3.
Make sure you are editing the note and not just reading it.
I just tested it and I turned the rotor once counter clockwise, and there was 
edit.
If it still doesn't work and you are editing the note, close all apps and 
reboot.
Maybe something else is going on.
HTH,
Richard


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- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:39 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
mailto:fiore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Rich: That's the thing, I'm not seeing edit on the rotor when I'm in the 
note.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2


Make sure you are in the note and in edit mode.
Turn the rotor to edit,
flick down to select all and double tap, then flick to copy and double tap.
Then go wherever you want to paste and turn to edit and flick to paste and 
double tap.
HTH,
Richard

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(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:53 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
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Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can 
anyone tell me how I can copy and paste a note? Thanks.
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RE: Getting tones from iTunes on PC to iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Keith,

It is possible, but you have to sync all ringtones, currently if you choose to 
sync only selected tones the process of selecting tones is not accessible. This 
of course is stupid since it used to be perfectly accessible, but that is Apple 
for you, when it comes to accessibility they think they are like God which 
means “they giveth and they taketh away.”

Anyhow, here is what you need to check/do:


1.   You should have a “Tones” folder in your iTunes Media folder and your 
ringtone or ringtones which of course must be in M4R format must be in this 
folder.

2.   You must open iTunes and make sure the ringtones are also added to 
your iTunes library, easiest way is to go to File > Add Folder to Library, 
browse to the Tones folder and select it.

3.   You can now go to the Tones section in your library (shortcut is 
Control+8 or go to View > Media Kind and arrow down to Tones) and check to make 
sure the tone or tones are there and if you like you can press enter on them to 
make sure they play. I just tried this and pressing Control+8 did put me 
directly into my list of tones and this part seems to work very well, I was 
able to arrow down and Jaws read all my tones and pressing enter on one played 
it.

4.   Now in order to sync the tones connect your iPhone and go to the 
device section, i.e. find the “iPhone” button and activate it.

5.   Tab (6 times on my laptop) until you get to the “Device Sidebar 
treeview” which starts with “Summary”.

6.   Arrow down to “Tones”, the list should go like this: Apps, Music, 
Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Books, Audio Books and then Tones.

7.   Tab once and you get to Sync Tones, make sure this is checked, then 
tab until you get to Sync All Ringtones and check it. I just tried again and 
while you can easily find the Sync selected Ringtones checkbox, the list where 
they are all displayed and where a sighted person can easily check them off 
does not read at all.

8.   Now either tab to Sync or Apply or you can go to File > Devices and 
select to Sync.

Now, I thought I would see if there is anything I can do via touch. I just 
bought this fancy Asus Zenbook laptop which has a 15.6 inch 4K touch screen. I 
first simply activating the Jaws touch cursor, but it didn’t get me into my 
list of ringtones. I then explored the screen and found ringtones and Jaws read 
me the name and said “not checked”. Unfortunately this is as far as I got, I 
tried to tap or double tap, but nothing happened. It may of course be that I am 
just not experienced enough yet with using touch on a Windows PC with Jaws, but 
my wife watched and tried herself without success. I then turned off Jaws and 
she touched/tapped the screen once and the tone was checked. If only this was 
as easy with Jaws then those of us who had a tablet or touch enabled laptop 
could do a lot more. I think we should all bombard Apple with monthly emails 
asking them why on earth iTunes and iCloud.com have such terrible accessibility 
and could they please get on with it and fix this.

Good luck,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Getting tones from iTunes on PC to iPhone

Hi,

Is this possible?

I purchased a ringtone in the past, but it did not get onto my phone when I set 
up my iPhone 7 from an encrypted backup from my iPhone 6.

Apparently, the only way I can get this is via iTunes on my PC, at least that’s 
what the Apple help folks are telling me.

I’ve looked around within iTunes on my Windows 7  machine running JAWS 17 
latest version, but can’t find a way to do this. No Tones options appear 
anywhere.

I’d appreciate learning if this is possible and how to do.

Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Getting tones from iTunes on PC to iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Hi Kieth,
I know it is possible.
Having said that, it is stupidly obtuse at this point with iTunes and a screen 
reader.
First, I know you have to hit enter or spacebar on the button that says iPhone.
Then, there is a treeview of sorts that if you very slowly arrow down, you will 
hear things like apps, music, etc.
If tones is not there, you may have to go into settings but I don't recall 
offhand exactly where that is.
In any case, once you get to tones, you will likely want to tab forever or 
until you find a checkbox to sync all tones.
Then, if the world is still round, syncing might just work.
When I next open that beast called iTunes, if someone else hasn't chimed in 
with more specifics, I will try to write down the steps.

Someone should invent a shooting game that has iTunes as the target, Grin,
Richard


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On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
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Hi,

Is this possible?

I purchased a ringtone in the past, but it did not get onto my phone when I set 
up my iPhone 7 from an encrypted backup from my iPhone 6.

Apparently, the only way I can get this is via iTunes on my PC, at least that's 
what the Apple help folks are telling me.

I've looked around within iTunes on my Windows 7  machine running JAWS 17 
latest version, but can't find a way to do this. No Tones options appear 
anywhere.

I'd appreciate learning if this is possible and how to do.

Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for adding to this, I was pretty sure this could be relatively easily 
done with just braille and via a braille display without much touching of the 
screen since there are basically only 3 gestures involved, swiping left/right, 
swiping up/down and double tapping.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
sh

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Glad to help as always.
I only have access to a braille display when I bring one home from work.
However, I’m hoping to have one of my own soon with the new Orbit 20 coming out 
from American Printing House  and Orbit Research.

Later,
Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

Thanks for adding to this, I was pretty sure this could be relatively easily 
done with just braille and via a braille display without much touching of the 
screen since there are basically only 3 gestures involved, swiping left/right, 
swiping up/down and double tapping.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 

Home and Ios 10.

[Dianne Phelps]

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my "Home"
screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite
extensively, placing things I don't use at the end of the list and those
things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of
time. I don't feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space
in memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don't use certain things
offered, I figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way
and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard and sieghard, 

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience. 

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing. 

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard



“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya




(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


  Hi Richard,

  I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

  Regards,
  Sieghard

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Todd and all,

  I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
  I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
  The steps are:
  1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
  2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
  3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
  4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to 
the delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

  Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
  When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should 
show "delete default" since that is now the default action.
  Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

  I hope this is helpful.

  Richard



  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

  to all,

  the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.

  blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

  todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

  ssincerely,
  rich


  -Original Message-
  From: Todd Patkus
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Dani,

  Actually, there is really no way to do that!

  Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

  How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!

  Think about it.

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

  Todd,
  You have a Braille display fro

Directv accessibility with Iphone?

[Dianne Phelps]

I am interested in your comments about this because I am in the process of
switching providers. I had to sign up for a two-year package to get decent
prices on things. So, it really has to work or else!!!...Smiling.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Pablo C. Morales]

I haven’t taken any problem deleting apps. More over I  was able to delete apps 
that I never needed, and I really like this flexibility to let me choose what I 
want and what no.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

 

hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and left it at 
that.

On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Pablo C. Morales]

More over, if we hear careful, we will notice that on activate, a few seconds 
after, voice over says, default.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
> --
> The

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Hi Rich,
Well, I have worked with all the Braille Sense models as well as the Braille 
Edge and I can assure you that the commands are absolutely the same.
Your point about all iPhones not working the same is true.  You will note that 
none of the commands I gave for deleting an app actually used the rotor.  
Unless you do a rotor command before you do cord-dot6, and move it away from 
the default, then that could mess it up.
The bottom line for all of us, blind but hearing, or deaf-blind, is that if 
something doesn’t work correctly, go back and make sure everything is correctly 
starting at the right place.
If cord-dot6 doesn’t bring up the “arrange apps” option, then use cord-dots5,6 
or 2,3 to make sure the rotor is on “action.”
That is the kind of problem solving we all have to do.

I will try selecting an Email and putting it into a text message only using the 
braille display and let you know what I find out.

I hope you understand that I am not being critical , but trying to be clear and 
helpful.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

richard and sieghard,

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience.

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing.

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely,
rich


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness sepa

RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Richard Turner]

Yes.
While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.
Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”
Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.
Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

HTH,
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Hi all,
I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.
Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?
Thank you so much,

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Richard Turner]

Pablo,
The folks that started this thread are deaf-blind so have no audio feedback.  
But, the braille display will show Activate, default."

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

More over, if we hear careful, we will notice that on activate, a few seconds 
after, voice over says, default.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delet

RE: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

You're right, thanks. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

 

 

hi John,

I am also running iOS 10.2, beta 3.

Make sure you are editing the note and not just reading it.

I just tested it and I turned the rotor once counter clockwise, and there was 
edit.

If it still doesn't work and you are editing the note, close all apps and 
reboot.

Maybe something else is going on.

HTH,

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:39 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:

Hi Rich: That's the thing, I'm not seeing edit on the rotor when I'm in the 
note. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying a note in IOS 10.2

 

 

Make sure you are in the note and in edit mode.

Turn the rotor to edit,

flick down to select all and double tap, then flick to copy and double tap.

Then go wherever you want to paste and turn to edit and flick to paste and 
double tap.

HTH,

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:53 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:

Good morning: I am unable to copy a note, so what I do is to share it. Can 
anyone tell me how I can copy and paste a note? Thanks. 

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*
The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.
After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

Regards,
Sieghard

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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Yes.
While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.
Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”
Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.
Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

HTH,
Richard


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Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Hi all,
I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.
Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?
Thank you so much,

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Richard Turner]

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

Richard


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Hi Richard,

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*
The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.
After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Yes.
While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.
Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”
Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.
Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

HTH,
Richard


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Hi all,
I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.
Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?
Thank you so much,

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RE: Braille commands for copying an Email into a text message

[Richard Turner]

Hi Rich,

Well, the process is pretty slow, so bear with me.  I have written out 13 
steps, though I could have broken it into more.

1.Open the Email whose contents you want to send as a text message.
2.  Find the first word where you want to start your selection and press the 
cursor routing button above it.
3.  Use the rotor commands, cord-dots2,3 or 5,6 and turn the rotor to text 
selection.
4.  Use cord-dot6 to move to where the display says line selection or word 
selection, depending on how you wish to do this.
5.  Now use cord-dot6 to move ahead by either word or line.  Each press of 
cord-dot6 will select the next amount of text.
6.When you have all the text selected you want, use the rotor 
command cord-dots5,6 to move to edit.  Then cord-dot6 to move to copy and press 
cord-dots3,6.
7.  Close the Email however you want, I often just use cord-h to go to the home 
screen.
8.Now open the message app.
9.  Find compose and press cord-dots3,6 to start a new text message.
10.  Now, you should be in the "to" field, though there is no indication on the 
braille display other than the blinking cursor if your display is set to blink. 
 Enter the phone number you are texting to.  I am using UEB so I have to use 
the number sign.
11. You cannot advance beyond this point with cord-dot6, you have 
to tab with cord-dots4,5.  Then you can use cord-dot6 to get to the place where 
the braille display shows "message text field"
12.  Use cord-dots5,6 to turn the rotor to edit and use cord-dot6 to move to 
paste and press cord-dots3,6 to paste the text.
13.  Press cord-dot6 to get on the send button and press 
cord-dots 3,6 and it should send.

I hope that helps,
Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

richard and sieghard,

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience.

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing.

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely,
rich


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two chang

Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable boxes 
are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV sets 
actually become accessible starting next year.
Mary


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that one 
> can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able to 
> watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I have 
> recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a program 
> when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come across. 
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What parts 
>> of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the receiver, 
>> which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? What can and 
>> can't do you do from the app?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Donna and Mary. I also use the Direct TV app. It's easy to find out what 
time a show is on a particular channel. It's also easy to manage recordings. 
It's difficult to turn on audio description. I understand that set top boxes 
and receivers must be accessible by December 20, 2017.

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
> terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
> for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
> into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
> of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable 
> boxes are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV 
> sets actually become accessible starting next year.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that 
>> one can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able 
>> to watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I 
>> have recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a 
>> program when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come 
>> across. 
>> 
>> Donna
>>> 
>>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What 
>>> parts of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the 
>>> receiver, which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? 
>>> What can and can't do you do from the app?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Paul,
Well, that is interesting. I thought the deadline for set-top boxes and 
televisions was the end of this year. You may very well be right. I know I have 
heard lots of people talking about the start of next year as the deadline for 
when TVs must be accessible. And I thought that was true for the cable boxes. 
In any case, it would be nice if it would be true for the satellite TV 
receivers as well. Of course, who knows what will happen after January 20.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna and Mary. I also use the Direct TV app. It's easy to find out 
> what time a show is on a particular channel. It's also easy to manage 
> recordings. It's difficult to turn on audio description. I understand that 
> set top boxes and receivers must be accessible by December 20, 2017.
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got 
>> in terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in 
>> accessibility for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility 
>> actually built into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? 
>> I'm thinking hear of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is 
>> no, since cable boxes are not covered under that law that is supposed to 
>> make cable and TV sets actually become accessible starting next year.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that 
>>> one can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able 
>>> to watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I 
>>> have recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a 
>>> program when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come 
>>> across. 
>>> 
>>> Donna
 
 I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
 direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
 our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
 cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
 app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What 
 parts of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the 
 receiver, which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? 
 What can and can't do you do from the app?
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Bill Gallik]

You know guys, this list is a real joy. There's quite often so much valuable 
information shared, and then there's the friendly banter between those of you 
who've been out here for a while. I truly enjoy this email list and appreciate 
so many of the tips I have received over the years forgetting very well 
acquainted with my iDevices!

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Pablo C. Morales]

Thanks guys,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Pablo C. Morales]

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Home and Ios 10.

[Andy Baracco]

i love the new way of being able to arrange apps. Before now, I had to have my 
sighted wife arrange them for me. i have them set up pretty much the way that 
Dianne does.

Andy

From: Dianne Phelps 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Home and Ios 10.
I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

Richard,

 

Nope.  I am unable to delete such!

 

I can delete while in texting mode.  I chord d to delete letters.  But cannot 
delete apps.  That one sucks.  That is all.

 

Todd

 

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Todd,

You have been able to delete apps since the first iPhone came out.

The only issue now is the spoken label is not exact, but the delete function 
still works.

I Hope That Helps,

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:55 AM, rajmund mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> > wrote:

hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and left it at 
that.

On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

To all,

 

Rich, there is no need for you to call me by my name when you know I am already 
aware of.  Just speak to the whole group!

 

Voice memos is nothing to me, so I say what was said.  That does not mean I am 
against it;  it is just that it is simply nothing.  That one I would like to 
kick for good.  No use.  That is all.

 

I never have an answering machine on here.  Most of the calls come from Rich’s 
best number one friends telemarketers.  So I keep them stuck.  I save money.  
Too bad to them!

 

Plus, I really never make phone calls as used to anymore, just few.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

to all, 

 

since I was vice president of american assocation of deaf-blind for eight 
years, I understand what are going on as everyone has different degrees of both 
hearing and visual losses. no problem at all!

 

be yourself and do whatever you are pleased. just keep gong on. wink!

 

todd, deaf sometimes use voice memos to help talking to hearing people as deaf 
like to use voice memos and type to make orders or questions with things. there 
are some deaf who like and some other deaf who don’t like. that is okay. I 
would not worry as logn as they please. 

 

I do appreciate for anyone to help us with some advices for some reasons, and 
since everyone udnerstands that we are defblind and need help. we thank yo for 
all elp you can do for us. and we can determine. wink1 

 

todd, I do have voice mailgbox at home as it helps. because too many people try 
to get to me and I can’t follow up. so let them leave messages and when my 
sister comes, she can check where ssages come from  like ulititly, company, 
doctor’s office, or whatever as it is tough that people keep forgetting. so let 
go.be gratefu7l. 

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

 

From: Todd Patkus   

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hello, Helga,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means 
death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod.  Thank you.

 

Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice  memos app 
in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses 
it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there  are  a lot of bugs in 
software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest 
in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know 
that using  a braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but 
not  impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!

  Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1


On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

John,

 

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

 

The statement I made stands to be correct.

 

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

 

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making facts. 
 That is it.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. 
It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or unimportant apps 
is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things lik

Re: Dictate Instead of Pause

[kelby carlson]

Still haven't been ale to figure out a solution here; is anyone else
having this issue? It didn't happen until I got an iPhone 7.



On 11/5/16, kelby carlson  wrote:
> All,
>
> This seems like an iOS bug to me. When I'm in a non-text field
> context, doing a double-tap with two fingers to pause music or
> VoiceDream still brings up dictation. Does anyone know a place to stop
> this?
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Rich et al,

You forgot that many times when companies hire new staff, they do not actually 
train them well enough.  Look at what happened to the RIDE, also known as 
paratransit, under the MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) years 
ago.  When an announcement was made statewide, the RIDE staff were to have 
tough training for a certain period of time, but, after the period ended, what 
happened?  Many of the drivers were not well-trained!  I did tell the general 
manager assistant that they need more training.  He did not say.  Then, what?  
That same man left without letting me know!

Same can happen to Apple staff.  Think of it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
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RE: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[pattigj1206]

They aren't covered?  Then what is the point of the law?
Patti


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Mary Otten
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Subject: Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable boxes 
are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV sets 
actually become accessible starting next year.
Mary


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that one 
> can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able to 
> watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I have 
> recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a program 
> when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come across. 
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What parts 
>> of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the receiver, 
>> which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? What can and 
>> can't do you do from the app?
>> Mary
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Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[denise avant]

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Larry Lumpkin]

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
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Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Maybe they are covered. I could be wrong. It sounded like Paul was very sure of 
himself, so he is quite likely correct. I had never heard of things like 
DirecTV and dish being covered, but that could be an oversight or I could've 
just forgotten.
Mary


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 4:53 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> They aren't covered?  Then what is the point of the law?
> Patti
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?
> 
> Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
> terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
> for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
> into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
> of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable 
> boxes are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV 
> sets actually become accessible starting next year.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that 
>> one can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able 
>> to watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I 
>> have recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a 
>> program when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come 
>> across. 
>> 
>> Donna
>>> 
>>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What 
>>> parts of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the 
>>> receiver, which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? 
>>> What can and can't do you do from the app?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Searching for movies

[Brian Albriton]

Hi, again. I'm talking about iTunes on the iPhone. When looking for a
movie, I'd activate the movies tab at the bottom of the iphone screen.
I would then activate the search tab and search for the movie. The
matches I would get would be music and not movies. All the best, Brian

On 11/4/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Are you talking about iTunes on a PC or Mac or on the iPhone?
>
> Regards,
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> Subject: Searching for movies
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> How do you search  for a movie on itunes?  I selected the movie  tab. Then I
> selected the search tab and typed in my   ''  search. I kept getting music
> matches.  Talk about being confounded by the simple.
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YouPlayer

[Joe]

Hi,

Is anyone experiencing issues with YouPlayer? I can't get it to show search
results. My Favorites are also not showing up. It seems most things that
requiring rendering a list isn't displaying. I paid for the premium version
and have seen something kind of similar to this happening before. Not sure
how to fix it though. Thanks in advance for any help.

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Message Previews

[Joe]

I finally got around to iOS 10, whatever build we're on now. In the native
Mail app, can someone remind me how to make Voiceover speak the message
previews the way it used to in iOS 9? Thanks much in advance.

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Re: Message Previews

[Richard Turner]

I don't think you can have it the old way.
Now, a three finger touch on the message will read the preview.
Not a great method.
Richard


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On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Joe 
mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I finally got around to iOS 10, whatever build we're on now. In the native
Mail app, can someone remind me how to make Voiceover speak the message
previews the way it used to in iOS 9? Thanks much in advance.

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Netflix tips

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi list,

I just installed Netflix in my iPhone, and I just created an account. I have
noticed that I was a little bit lost using this app, and I noticed also that
sometimes voice over got stock, or something there is no very accessible.
Anybody has some  tips about how to handle this app, for example. During the
registration, several things weren't very accessible, but how ever I
finished the registration. I have no idea what did I selected or what I
didn't selected, because sometimes is no way if something was selected or
not. How can I modify or check what is the current configuration of my
account?

Thanks

 

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RE: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Todd Patkus]

Patti,

Which laws are you referring them to when you said they are not covered?  Be 
specific.

Todd

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They aren't covered?  Then what is the point of the law?
Patti


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Subject: Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable boxes 
are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV sets 
actually become accessible starting next year.
Mary


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that one 
> can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able to 
> watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I have 
> recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a program 
> when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come across. 
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What parts 
>> of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the receiver, 
>> which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? What can and 
>> can't do you do from the app?
>> Mary
>> 
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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Todd Patkus]

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Todd Patkus]

Richard,

 

That man sucks.  I do not care what they say.  Do not follow these crazy folks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Thanks guys,

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is more 
or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

To all,

Now, look at what Pablo said?

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

Dianne and Hibiscus
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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is more 
or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y’all are missing something 
beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
Most of y’all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
stated.  I have known him for 35 years.

 

I do not see y’all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y’all 
first see where the facts stand.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Home and Ios 10.

[John Panarese]

He lost me a long time ago. I can’t figure out if he’s just extremely 
opinionated, generally misinformed or possibly trolling. If someone disagrees 
with him, they are in the wrong or are picking on him. I don’t know and I don’t 
have the time to figure it out. Hopefully, Mark and Cara are following things 
and can deal with it. If he’s that unhappy with Apple, he’s probably better off 
going some place else for his accessibility then.


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Todd,
>  
> I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
> had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking 
> about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been 
> possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can 
> also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this 
> is also possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds 
> like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home 
> button when you are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't 
> see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually 
> described another way to delete apps via Settings..
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> To all,
>  
> Now, look at what Pablo said?
>  
> Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have 
> had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
> screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
> some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
> with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
> my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
> don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
> space in folders.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Dianne Phelps
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” 
> screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
> extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those 
> things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of 
> time. I don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in 
> memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things 
> offered, I figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way 
> and carry on.
>  
> Dianne and Hibiscus
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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it". 

Take care,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is more 
or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

John,

 

Would you please quit babbling.  I do not have to agree.  I am simply amking 
points that are simple facts.  You need to learn to be a little bit more 
understanding.  You do not know what you are thinking.

 

I am sure Rich will tell y’all something.

 

Obnly grow up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

 

He lost me a long time ago. I can’t figure out if he’s just extremely 
opinionated, generally misinformed or possibly trolling. If someone disagrees 
with him, they are in the wrong or are picking on him. I don’t know and I don’t 
have the time to figure it out. Hopefully, Mark and Cara are following things 
and can deal with it. If he’s that unhappy with Apple, he’s probably better off 
going some place else for his accessibility then.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

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Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

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On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Richard Turner]

Todd,
I too will no longer try to help you.
You are too rude for words.
Richard



“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Todd,

Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it".

Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt 
Apple is implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the 
site is more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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Re: Home and Ios 10.

[John Panarese]

Hi Todd, 
  I know what I’m thinking Todd. I’m not sure if you are clear about your 
thoughts, however. You state opinions, and that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to 
them, regardless of their validity. Many here have tried to inform you, help 
you and correct your misconceptions, but you turn around and react as if you 
have been insulted or attacked. I am a very happy Braille user with a Braille 
Edge 40, and I’ve been confused by some of your passed claims about Braille 
access. However, when your errors have been pointed out, you don’t seem to want 
to acknowledge that. Again, as I said, if you are that dissatisfied with Apple, 
you are free to find your accessibility in whatever other way you think will 
meet your standards.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> 
> John,
>  
> Would you please quit babbling.  I do not have to agree.  I am simply amking 
> points that are simple facts.  You need to learn to be a little bit more 
> understanding.  You do not know what you are thinking.
>  
> I am sure Rich will tell y’all something.
>  
> Obnly grow up.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> He lost me a long time ago. I can’t figure out if he’s just extremely 
> opinionated, generally misinformed or possibly trolling. If someone disagrees 
> with him, they are in the wrong or are picking on him. I don’t know and I 
> don’t have the time to figure it out. Hopefully, Mark and Cara are following 
> things and can deal with it. If he’s that unhappy with Apple, he’s probably 
> better off going some place else for his accessibility then.
>  
> 
> Take Care
>  
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>  
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>  
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>  
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>  
>  
>  
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Todd,
>>  
>> I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
>> had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are 
>> talking about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has 
>> always been possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 
>> 10 you can also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very 
>> clearly this is also possible using a braille display with no speech 
>> whatsoever, sounds like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself is 
>> press the home button when you are all done to get out of the editing mode. 
>> I really don't see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is now and 
>> Rich actually described another way to delete apps via Settings..
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Todd Patkus
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>>  
>> To all,
>>  
>> Now, look at what Pablo said?
>>  
>> Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have 
>> had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
>> screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>>  
>> Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
>> some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
>> with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built 
>> in my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I 
>> just don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, 
>> more space in folders.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016

Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[denise avant]

Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for some of 
the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in windows has gotten 
worse over the years. I was just trying to see what was possible when using 
iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the need to sync data from the iPhone 
and iPad to one's computer from time to time I can remember when some of us 
upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us simply connected our cables to our computers to 
download 
I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my  contacts and other 
material such as photos and notes from my phone when using iTunes in windows. I 
guess not. Thanks for all your help.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
> doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
> which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
> feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
> companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
> whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
> The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
> implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is 
> more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> Denise,
> 
> If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
> contact Freedom Scientific on this one.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> denise avant
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
> possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 
> 6s plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am 
> also wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to 
> navigate it with JAWS  better? Thank you
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Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

[Don Risavy, Jr.]

I'm trying to delete apps off my IPhone 7 using the latest version of IOS10
and when doing what used to do with my IPhone 6 by locating the app and
pressing down on it doesn't seem to work like use to as doesn't seem to show
the delete option.

So wondered what might be doing wrong or what need to do in order to remove
an app?

Thanks.

Don Risavy Jr.

 

 

 

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Re: Sent messages

['simon w' via VIPhone]

I'm using yahoo with windows live mail.

-Original Message- 
From: Rajmund

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent messages

Hello,
I use both POP and IMAP, and regardless of what I send from, for example 
this braille sense, using POP, my IMAP devices will show the messages that 
were sent off the u2, so since they upload it to the server.




Sent from a Braille Sense

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From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:35 pm
Subject: RE: Sent messages




Hi Simon,

What email service do you use? You must be using IMAP, Exchange Active 
Sync (that is Outlook.com) or full Exchange (typically used by businesses) 
for your mail to sync across devices.
Even gmail and Outlook.com accounts can still be set up as POP accounts 
and this service does not support Sent messages syncing across devices or 
features where if you reply to a message say on your computer it will also 
show as replied to on your iPhone with the reply associated to the message 
etc.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:13 AM
To: CISG 
Subject: Sent messages

Hi, how come when I send a message through my computer it doesn't appear 
in the sent messages on my iPhone?


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Cristóbal]

Again. Seriously. Who is this guy?...

A little bit of social skills can go a long way…

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Sieghard,

 

Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y’all are missing something 
beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
Most of y’all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
stated.  I have known him for 35 years.

 

I do not see y’all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y’all 
first see where the facts stand.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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The Firefox Web Browser app. If you search on Firefox in the Apps Store and 
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Re: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

[Mary Otten]

Hi don,
The labeling is misleading. If you're focused on an app you want to delete, 
flick up or down, if you have the action rotor set, and you will find "arrange 
apps"double tap that and then flick up to hear "default". That should say 
delete. But it doesn't. Double tap that and you should be in business.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Don Risavy, Jr.  wrote:
> 
> I’m trying to delete apps off my IPhone 7 using the latest version of IOS10 
> and when doing what used to do with my IPhone 6 by locating the app and 
> pressing down on it doesn’t seem to work like use to as doesn’t seem to show 
> the delete option.
> So wondered what might be doing wrong or what need to do in order to remove 
> an app?
> Thanks.
> Don Risavy Jr.
>  
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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

I do not have problems with the blind folks here.  They need to stop acting 
like middle school kids.  I do not deserve all their babbling.  They ned to 
grow up.

 

It is not the problem with social skills.  It is the behavior of those babbled.

 

Will y’all please stop all your babbling?  Think about it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Again. Seriously. Who is this guy?...

A little bit of social skills can go a long way…

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Sieghard,

 

Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y’all are missing something 
beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
Most of y’all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
stated.  I have known him for 35 years.

 

I do not see y’all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y’all 
first see where the facts stand.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

[Don Risavy, Jr.]

Okay wil give it a try to see if works.

Thanks.

 

 

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Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

 

Hi don,
The labeling is misleading. If you're focused on an app you want to delete, 
flick up or down, if you have the action rotor set, and you will find "arrange 
apps"double tap that and then flick up to hear "default". That should say 
delete. But it doesn't. Double tap that and you should be in business.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Don Risavy, Jr. mailto:djrisav...@att.net> > wrote:

I’m trying to delete apps off my IPhone 7 using the latest version of IOS10 and 
when doing what used to do with my IPhone 6 by locating the app and pressing 
down on it doesn’t seem to work like use to as doesn’t seem to show the delete 
option.

So wondered what might be doing wrong or what need to do in order to remove an 
app?

Thanks.

Don Risavy Jr.

 

 

 

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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Victor Gouveia]

I am using the latest version of Jaws, version 18, with the latest iTunes, and 
I have no problems with it.

What exactly are you having problems with.

Victor

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Todd,
I too will no longer try to help you.
You are too rude for words.
Richard




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On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


  Hi Todd,

  Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

  And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it". 

  Take care,
  Sieghard

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Sieghard,

  I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
  The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is more 
or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

  Regards,
  Sieghard


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Denise,

  If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
denise avant
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Hello everyone,
  I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It works very well, but you can also still do it the old way. By this I mean 
you can still double tap and hold to get into editing mode, then double tap on 
the app and confirm deletion. I think you have an iPhone 7 which means you have 
3D Touch and the only thing you have to make sure is to do your double tap and 
hold very lightly, if you use any sort of pressure it will be interpreted as a 
3D press.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Don Risavy, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

Okay wil give it a try to see if works.
Thanks.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting apps from IPhone 7 with latest IOS 10

Hi don,
The labeling is misleading. If you're focused on an app you want to delete, 
flick up or down, if you have the action rotor set, and you will find "arrange 
apps"double tap that and then flick up to hear "default". That should say 
delete. But it doesn't. Double tap that and you should be in business.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Don Risavy, Jr. 
mailto:djrisav...@att.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to delete apps off my IPhone 7 using the latest version of IOS10 and 
when doing what used to do with my IPhone 6 by locating the app and pressing 
down on it doesn’t seem to work like use to as doesn’t seem to show the delete 
option.
So wondered what might be doing wrong or what need to do in order to remove an 
app?
Thanks.
Don Risavy Jr.



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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Victor,

Connect your phone, then go to your device and either to music, apps or tones, 
check to sync selected items (in music or tones) and then try to select artists 
or albums or tones or, in the case of apps, try to select apps to sync.
None of this works any more.
Furthermore, I like to set my view to Songs and then turn on the column browser 
so I can select a particular genre, artist or album. Jaws does not read 
anything in All three of these lists (genre, artist and album). OK, let’s say 
on my new laptop it doesn’t, on my old one it seemed to sometimes work, but it 
would always say “L1” or something like that along with whatever it read.
In a way I don’t care too much about it any more since now that I have Apple 
Music I typically don’t sync my entire music library to my phone any more, apps 
I can download from the App Store and in a pinch I can manage my tones 
manually. I can still select to sync all tones easily enough so my work-around 
is to have one folder with all my ringtones and this folder I don’t add to my 
iTunes library. I then have another folder and all tones in this folder I add 
to my library and thn I simply sync all tones. If I want to get rid of some I 
just go to the tones library in iTunes and delete the ones I no longer want and 
then resync. If I want to add tones I copy them into this folder, add it to the 
library again and then rsync.

If you can select tones and apps with Jaws 18 and the latest version of iTunes 
you are the only one I know of who can do it and you really should do a Podcast 
and show all of us how it can be done.

Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I am using the latest version of Jaws, version 18, with the latest iTunes, and 
I have no problems with it.

What exactly are you having problems with.

Victor

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Todd,
I too will no longer try to help you.
You are too rude for words.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Todd,

Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it".

Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt 
Apple is implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the 
site is more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus

Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Sieghard,

You may be right about that.  I have mine set to sync my entire playlist, and 
in terms of apps, I delete them manually off the phone.

I stand corrected and apologize for my misstatement.  Smiles.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hi Victor,

 

Connect your phone, then go to your device and either to music, apps or tones, 
check to sync selected items (in music or tones) and then try to select artists 
or albums or tones or, in the case of apps, try to select apps to sync.

None of this works any more.

Furthermore, I like to set my view to Songs and then turn on the column browser 
so I can select a particular genre, artist or album. Jaws does not read 
anything in All three of these lists (genre, artist and album). OK, let’s say 
on my new laptop it doesn’t, on my old one it seemed to sometimes work, but it 
would always say “L1” or something like that along with whatever it read.

In a way I don’t care too much about it any more since now that I have Apple 
Music I typically don’t sync my entire music library to my phone any more, apps 
I can download from the App Store and in a pinch I can manage my tones 
manually. I can still select to sync all tones easily enough so my work-around 
is to have one folder with all my ringtones and this folder I don’t add to my 
iTunes library. I then have another folder and all tones in this folder I add 
to my library and thn I simply sync all tones. If I want to get rid of some I 
just go to the tones library in iTunes and delete the ones I no longer want and 
then resync. If I want to add tones I copy them into this folder, add it to the 
library again and then rsync.

 

If you can select tones and apps with Jaws 18 and the latest version of iTunes 
you are the only one I know of who can do it and you really should do a Podcast 
and show all of us how it can be done.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

 

I am using the latest version of Jaws, version 18, with the latest iTunes, and 
I have no problems with it.

 

What exactly are you having problems with.

 

Victor

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:07 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

 

Todd,

I too will no longer try to help you.

You are too rude for words.

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  Hi Todd,

  Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

  And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it". 

  Take care,
  Sieghard

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Sieghard,

  I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

  Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
  The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/stan

RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No problem, doing the usual phone/iOS maintenance stuff like updating/restoring 
via iTunes or doing regular or encrypted backups is no problem. The thing I 
miss the most is easy management of tones in iTunes. I used to be able to 
simply arrow down my list of tones and press the spacebar to check or uncheck 
the ones I wanted and then sync, the same was true for apps at one point.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hi Sieghard,

You may be right about that.  I have mine set to sync my entire playlist, and 
in terms of apps, I delete them manually off the phone.

I stand corrected and apologize for my misstatement.  Smiles.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hi Victor,

Connect your phone, then go to your device and either to music, apps or tones, 
check to sync selected items (in music or tones) and then try to select artists 
or albums or tones or, in the case of apps, try to select apps to sync.
None of this works any more.
Furthermore, I like to set my view to Songs and then turn on the column browser 
so I can select a particular genre, artist or album. Jaws does not read 
anything in All three of these lists (genre, artist and album). OK, let’s say 
on my new laptop it doesn’t, on my old one it seemed to sometimes work, but it 
would always say “L1” or something like that along with whatever it read.
In a way I don’t care too much about it any more since now that I have Apple 
Music I typically don’t sync my entire music library to my phone any more, apps 
I can download from the App Store and in a pinch I can manage my tones 
manually. I can still select to sync all tones easily enough so my work-around 
is to have one folder with all my ringtones and this folder I don’t add to my 
iTunes library. I then have another folder and all tones in this folder I add 
to my library and thn I simply sync all tones. If I want to get rid of some I 
just go to the tones library in iTunes and delete the ones I no longer want and 
then resync. If I want to add tones I copy them into this folder, add it to the 
library again and then rsync.

If you can select tones and apps with Jaws 18 and the latest version of iTunes 
you are the only one I know of who can do it and you really should do a Podcast 
and show all of us how it can be done.

Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I am using the latest version of Jaws, version 18, with the latest iTunes, and 
I have no problems with it.

What exactly are you having problems with.

Victor

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Todd,
I too will no longer try to help you.
You are too rude for words.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Todd,

Why do you always feel insulted by everything people say. I am not getting on 
top of you and just as you I say whatever I want if it is relevant to the 
topic. I simply pointed out that the inaccessibility of iTunes is not only a 
Freedom Scientific problem and that they are not to blame alone.

And now I will say one more thing. From now on I will no longer reply to 
anything you post, I will not attempt to answer any questions you ask. 
Unfortunately I think you will find that your agressive and confrontational 
tone will result in many others doing the same. I know you have additional 
challenges beyond being blind, but that doesn't give you the right to yell at 
anything anybody says which you don't like. Now as you are so font of saying 
"that is it".

Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

-Original Message-
From: vipho

Re: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd, 

maybe I can help you little. 

pat paulsen was famous comdeian. hope this helps you. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Richard,

 

That man sucks.  I do not care what they say.  Do not follow these crazy folks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Thanks guys,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[M. Taylor]

Hello Denise,  

You ask an excellent question and you have received some very good advice.  

I would like to offer another suggestion that you may find useful.  

If you use Microsoft Outlook on your new computer, you may wish to install the 
iCloud Control Panel.  This simple tool is completely accessible with screen 
readers and will allow you to sync/access your iCloud data such as Contacts, 
Appointments, Notes, etc via Outlook.  

This is the primary way I keep all of my iCloud data in sync across all of my 
Windows, Macs, and iOS/Android devices.  

Installing the iCloud control panel is easy and Apple keeps it up-to-date for 
all necessary versions of Windows including Windows 7.x and 8.x..  

Another quick and easy way to access your iCloud data on your PC is to use 
iCloud.com.  Depending upon your screen/reader of choice, your mileage may vary 
but I think it definitely worth a try to access iCloud via your web browser and 
see what happens.  

Explore all the options and discover what is right for you.

As a Windows user, I value the fact that Apple continues to maintain a definite 
bridge between iCloud on both Windows and Mac.  

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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