Email client

[Michael Maslo]

Hello list. I was wondering if anyone knew a email client which offered the 
ability to delete all messages at once. The native mail app does not offer it 
nor the outlook app. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Get Outlook

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Cristóbal]

Yes, but what if you’re one of the Joneses?

Apple’s basically got eight different models with different storage sizes to 
choose from now. 

Something for everyone. I’m more inclined to stick with a finger print model 
for at least one more year and probably by next year the face ID thing will be 
more refined. 

Think of the countless times you unlock your phone in a day and how convenient 
it is to have it already open to the home screen by the time you pull it out of 
your pocket or whatever. Where as now, for every time, you have to have the 
screen somehow interact with your mug. Even if it’s not a straight on angle, 
still. This alone seems like one of those things where the aggregate may get on 
your nerves. 

It’ll likely be a moot point in the future soon enough, but for now, I’m still 
good with the fingerprint. The extra security is fine, but at one point does 
overkill come into play? I mean one in a million instead of one in fifty 
thousand is of course great, but I’ve already got touch ID enabled on my phone 
with the screen brightness set to zero, find my iPhone enabled, different 
passwords for different services, etc. All I’d need now is to slap a chastity 
belt on it.

I’m still quite happy with my trusty SE, but if I upgrade, it’ll most likely be 
for the 8 or maybe the 8 Plus. Still using a 5S for my second business cell and 
plan on using that bad boy until the wheels fall off or until the SE or iPhone 
6 models get into the $150 range or so. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!

Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 

 Jewel

 

From: Cris Ali   

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know 

Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Andy Baracco]

The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens 
with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for 
one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a 
blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you 
can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there 
are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get 
anything good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, 
text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?



May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 

iPhone 6+

[Billy Maynard]

Hi,

I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X 
but, the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become 
the standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere 
moddles after the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any 
upcoming phones.  Thanks for any help.


Billy Maynard,
P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall 
if they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported. 


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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Mary Otten]

The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens with 
android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for one 
at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a blind 
person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you can't 
get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.
>  
> From: Jewel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
> even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>  
>  Jewel
>  
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to 
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
> people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
> good with KNFB Reader.
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
> document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
> accuracy.
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to 
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a 
> good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page 
> would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t 
> able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
> grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
> huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
> huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
> Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are 
> noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and 
> stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the 
> great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR 
> results.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
> camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
> 10?
>  
> May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
> But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
> not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist 
> in iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the 
> retina display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always 
> turned on.  I am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR 
> apps can find in iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the 
> Cameras in the existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers 
> of OCR apps have not taken full advantages of them yet.
> Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
> to mine.
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Mary Otten]

I couldn't agree more. If I were in the market this year, I would get an 8+. No 
question.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
> the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
> impaired person well.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
> even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>  
>  Jewel
> 
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to 
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
> people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
> good with KNFB Reader.
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
> document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
> accuracy.
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to 
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a 
> good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page 
> would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t 
> able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
> grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
> huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
> huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
> Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are 
> noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and 
> stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the 
> great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR 
> results.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
> camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
> 10?
>  
> May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
> But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
> not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist 
> in iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the 
> retina display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always 
> turned on.  I am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR 
> apps can find in iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the 
> Cameras in the existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers 
> of OCR apps have not taken full advantages of them yet.
> Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
> to mine.
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

would it not be better to have the phone on a flat surface so that the scanning 
device at least is steady?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 20:33
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Andy Baracco]

The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
impaired person well.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jewel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
  Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

   Jewel


  From: Cris Ali 
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

  Cheers,

  Cris 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

  If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

  The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

  A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

   

  May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

  Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
to mine.

  Regards,

  Cris

   

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Jewel]

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel


From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Cris Ali]

I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
Cheers,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[James Homuth]

I assume the usual copy/paste will work as well? Also: Would I be right in
assuming the "automatically add to iTunes" folder is also retired?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: September-13-17 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch
using iTunes 12.7

Hello Everyone,  

As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.

The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:

Mark

Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes

You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.

With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
manually syncing specific items to your device.

If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
but you can still manage videos using the steps below.

Manually add items from iTunes
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
library.
4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
iPhone, iPad, or iPod.

If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
iTunes Library.

If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.

If you can't manually add or remove content from your device

Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
turned on:
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Locate and click on your device.

4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
5.Scroll to the Options section.
6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
7.Click Apply. 

You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
content on your device.

Manually add items from your computer

If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
device using iTunes.
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
iTunes.
  
Published Date: Sep 12, 2017

Original Article at:
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Re: Can you scan a street sign?

[Richard Turner]

The short text mode can work very well on street signs.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Kellie 
> wrote:

Which mode on Seeing AI were using to try and read the street sign with? When 
you said that I told you that it was a palm tree or something, that told me 
that perhaps you were using the scene beta? Maybe try using short text? I 
apologize for dictation errors I have a 9 1/2 month old and my other arm so 
can't really go back and correct very easily.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Evan Reese 
> wrote:

You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of my 
neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be large, 
make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I think it 
would work.
Evan


From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you scan a street sign?

Hi Everyone.
I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I thought someone said 
they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a palm 
tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read a 
street sign?
Mr. Ed
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How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,  

As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.

The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:

Mark

Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes

You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.

With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
manually syncing specific items to your device.

If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
but you can still manage videos using the steps below.

Manually add items from iTunes
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
library.
4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
iPhone, iPad, or iPod.

If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
iTunes Library.

If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.

If you can't manually add or remove content from your device

Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
turned on:
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Locate and click on your device.

4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
5.Scroll to the Options section.
6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
7.Click Apply. 

You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
content on your device.

Manually add items from your computer

If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
device using iTunes.
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
iTunes.
  
Published Date: Sep 12, 2017

Original Article at:
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Re: Can you scan a street sign?

[Kellie]

Which mode on Seeing AI were using to try and read the street sign with? When 
you said that I told you that it was a palm tree or something, that told me 
that perhaps you were using the scene beta? Maybe try using short text? I 
apologize for dictation errors I have a 9 1/2 month old and my other arm so 
can't really go back and correct very easily.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of 
> my neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be 
> large, make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I 
> think it would work.
> Evan
>  
>  
> From: Mr. Ed
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can you scan a street sign?
>  
> Hi Everyone.
> I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I  thought someone 
> said they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a 
> palm tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read 
> a street sign?
> Mr. Ed
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Re: thermostat

[Richard Turner]

What would be nice is if the thermostat made by Talking Thermostat would add 
internet access. I almost went with them because the thermostat is 100 percent 
talking and programmable, but is not controllable away from home or on a device.
Richard
G


(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

The thermostat from www.RadioThermostat.com 
works just as a normal thermostat if there is no internet, but it is a touch 
screen device so you would probably have to get some help initially to make it 
accessible to the point where you could at least turn the temperature up or 
down, maybe put some dots on it or get somebody to make an overlay with holes 
where you have to touch.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).

Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
isn't a sufficient work-around.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of david gross
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: thermostat


my taljing thermostat died.
is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Dating sites

[M. Taylor]

Hello Terri,

You ask an excellent question.

To be honest, my answer depends upon whether or not you have any usable vision 
as I'm afraid accessibility has fallen by the wayside, in terms of dating 
resources, these days.  

If you have some usable vision, this is to say, you can see enough to 
distinguish button locations on an iOS device. Then the Plenty of fish and/or 
Match.com apps are passable as possible solutions.  However, if you are totally 
blind, then I cannot recommend either Plenty of Fish or Match.com, at this 
time.  

I continue to push for better POF and Match.com accessibility for the blind and 
low vision but, at present my requests have gone unanswered.

Mark 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dating sites

Hello everyone,


I know this will likely seem like an odd question to ask. But I figured what 
could it hurt?


I was wondering, does anyone know of dating sites in the US, that are 
pretty accessible with the iPhone, or iPad?

I find using my iPhone tends to be easier for me.


But I am looking for free, or sites that aren't too expensive. Ones that 
are as accessible as possible. It doesn't matter if it's sites for 
people with disabilities, or ones for people without, or mixed. I am 
trying to keep my options open, here.


I know last year, I think it was, that Plenty of Fish was pretty accessible.

However, I would get a lot of these things that would say, so and so 
wants to meet you. But when I would look at the profile, I knew it 
couldn't be someone interested in me. And no, I am not saying that due 
to my disabilities. It just wouldn't make sense.


So if anyone has any thoughts, or ideas, I would appreciate hearing them.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: thermostat

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The thermostat from www.RadioThermostat.com works just as a normal thermostat 
if there is no internet, but it is a touch screen device so you would probably 
have to get some help initially to make it accessible to the point where you 
could at least turn the temperature up or down, maybe put some dots on it or 
get somebody to make an overlay with holes where you have to touch.

Regards,
Sieghard 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).

Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
isn't a sufficient work-around.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Rash
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
david gross
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: thermostat


my taljing thermostat died.
is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Can you scan a street sign?

[Evan Reese]

You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of my 
neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be large, 
make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I think it 
would work.
Evan


From: Mr. Ed 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Can you scan a street sign?

Hi Everyone.

I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I thought someone said 
they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a palm 
tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read a 
street sign?

Mr. Ed

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RE: some audio book questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How do you stream an Audible book, I have never seen this option yet in the 
Augible app.

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Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: some audio book questions

No Jed, if you want to use your phone you must purchase the books using the web 
site, and then you can listen using the Audible app (which will download them 
to your phone or stream them as you like).  I download them so they will work 
even if I am out of cell range.

Chip


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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: some audio book questions

Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So how does it 
work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
I take it you do it through the amazon app?

On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is 
> really buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app 
> or the Android version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as 
> well on Windows.
>
> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>
> https://www.downpour.com/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jed Barton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: some audio book questions
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is 
> the best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books 
> accessible?  If so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to 
> buy an audio book, is amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for 
> apps?
>
> Cheers,
> Jed
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Re: thermostat

[Christopher Chaltain]

I had the same thought, but the person is talking about when they no 
longer have connection to the internet but they still have power. 
Apparently the Nest thermostats don't do so well when they can't reach 
their servers.



On 09/13/2017 07:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So when your Internet was out, wasn't your power also out? And if so, how was 
the thermostat working and what would it be controlling, since presumably the 
appliances it was controlling, your furnace or AC, need power. I agree the 
thermostat should be accessible, but if the power is out, there's nothing to 
control.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 13, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).

Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
isn't a sufficient work-around.

Chip


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Tom Rash
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.


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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:39 AM
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Subject: thermostat


my taljing thermostat died.
is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?

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Re: thermostat

[Mary Otten]

So when your Internet was out, wasn't your power also out? And if so, how was 
the thermostat working and what would it be controlling, since presumably the 
appliances it was controlling, your furnace or AC, need power. I agree the 
thermostat should be accessible, but if the power is out, there's nothing to 
control.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
> hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
> thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
> error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).
> 
> Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
> directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
> isn't a sufficient work-around.
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Rash
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
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> 
> I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> david gross
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thermostat
> 
> 
> my taljing thermostat died.
> is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?
> 
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Can you scan a street sign?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Everyone.

I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I thought someone
said they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a
palm tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to
read a street sign?

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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Re: thermostat

[Andy Baracco]

This is a major issue going forward as more and more devices become 
dependent on Internet connectivity. No power, no Internet, no control of 
these devices.


Andy

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From: "Chip Orange" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: thermostat


So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).


Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
isn't a sufficient work-around.


Chip


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Of Tom Rash

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.


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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: thermostat


my taljing thermostat died.
is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,
Now you leave your grubby little hands off your wife when she is sleeping. LOL
>From one Christian brother to another.
Mr. Ed

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

It will be interesting to see how this works in the real world once these 
phones are in the hands of blind users. It's nice Apple is thinking of this, 
but I thought it was neat how Face Id wouldn't unlock a phone if the person had 
their eyes closed. This makes total sense because if it could be unlocked this 
way anybody could pick up your phone if you are asleep or what if you had an 
accident and are unconscious or what if somebody simply hit you on the head 
because they want to steel your phone. They could then unlock it quite easily 
by simply pointing it to your face.
Of course in the situation where you are out cold because of an accident or 
because you got bonked on the head somebody could do what they want with your 
hand as well and unlock using Touch Id. Nobody could pick up my hand to put it 
on the Touch Id if I'm asleep without waking me up, but you could probably pick 
up my wife and put her in a tub filled with cold water without waking her up 
when she's asleep *smile*.
Anyhow, I would probably re-enable the attention feature first to see if it 
works just for security, if it's disabled by default when Voiceover is running 
and a smart iPhone thief knows this they could simply bring up SIRI, tell SIRI 
to turn on Voiceover and then this security aspect would be disabled.
 
Regards,
Sieghard

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Greg Wocher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

Hello,
You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility options. 
This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This was 
mentioned in an applevis post.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock it by 
> pointing it at you while you are asleep.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
> 
> The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not closed. 
> If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your eyes were open 
> or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself included, who are 
> sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes closed. When that happens 
> to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they were closed. And opening them or 
> at least when I guess is opening them feels entirely not natural. 
> Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do not feel the need to rush out for an 
> upgrade.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is not 
>> about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10
>> 
>> Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, and 
>> poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes aren't real, 
>> will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at it? Hopefully they 
>> have thought of this, and there is an alternative way to unlock it 
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RE: thermostat

[Chip Orange]

So do I, but when my internet was out for several days during the recent 
hurricane, the Nest app doesn't work to control the thermostat, and the 
thermostat isn't accessible (especially so when it's constantly displaying 
error messages about not being able to contact the main Nest servers).

Nest should really put a little work into making the thermostat accessible 
directly; those of us who care should write to them and explain that the app 
isn't a sufficient work-around.

Chip


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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thermostat

I use the Nest thermostat that works with the iPhone.


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my taljing thermostat died.
is there a thermostat that can be used with a Iphone app?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: latest dropbox & IOS 11

[Melissa Tucker]

I don’t see any problems or changes. The layout is a little different’ but it 
works great.

On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Vicki  wrote:

Has anyone using IOS 11 tried it with dropbox 64.2? There were some changes 
taking affect in DB with IOS 11 involving graphics with DB, so I am wondering 
how well it is working?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 
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RE: some audio book questions

[Chip Orange]

This is where you download and use the Audible app after you have purchased the 
book.  You will find a tab for your library, and in there are buttons to show 
you which books you own "in the cloud" and which you have downloaded to your 
device.  Set it to the cloud, and you will find an option to download a book to 
your device.

Hth,

Chip


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Hey guys,
OK so i found a book i wanted using audible.  So the big question is
how do i download it?
I see a thing where you can hear a sample, then you have the tabs, but
i see no download button.  Any ideas?

On 9/13/17, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So
> how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
> I take it you do it through the amazon app?
>
> On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
>> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is
>> really
>> buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app or the
>> Android
>> version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on
>> Windows.
>>
>> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>>
>> https://www.downpour.com/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
>> Barton
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: some audio book questions
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the
>> best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?
>> If
>> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book,
>> is
>> amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed
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RE: some audio book questions

[Chip Orange]

No Jed, if you want to use your phone you must purchase the books using the web 
site, and then you can listen using the Audible app (which will download them 
to your phone or stream them as you like).  I download them so they will work 
even if I am out of cell range.

Chip


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Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So
how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
I take it you do it through the amazon app?

On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is really
> buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app or the Android
> version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on Windows.
>
> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>
> https://www.downpour.com/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: some audio book questions
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the
> best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?  If
> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book, is
> amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>
> Cheers,
> Jed
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RE: some audio book questions

[Chip Orange]

I believe Amazon audio books are the same as Audible audio books, as they own 
Audible.

I love Audible, and have signed up using Amazon, for their "one credit per 
month" for $15 plan (1 credit gets you one book regardless of its price).

You can listen to Audible books using an iPhone app or using your pc or using 
something like a Victor Reader Stream (although this requires you to download 
the book to your pc and then transfer it to the Victor).  I use my Victor 
usually.

Take note that if you sign up for the automatic buy one or two credits per 
month plans, you can only keep 6 bcredits rolling over from month to month, so 
if you  don't pay attention you will be charged for that seventh credit, but 
you just lose it.  If you have 6 credits and don't know what you want to buy, 
you have to stop your automatic purchase plan, switch to a maintenance 
membership (which costs $10 one time), and then they will stay there for up to 
a year for you to decide to use them.

Hth,

Chip




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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:49 PM
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Subject: some audio book questions

Hey guys,

OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is
the best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books
accessible?  If so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to
buy an audio book, is amazon a good place, and what would you
recommend for apps?

Cheers,
Jed

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Discover bluetooth

[Diane]

I have Creator and Jaws latest 18.  I was checking in settings and I discovered 
my bluetooth is turned off.  It says my devices are pared but turned off.  I'm 
not sure how that happened.  Could some tell me the steps to turn it back on?  
I have searched google for questions and answers but some of them are for the 
sighted view.  I can't adapt to what they're saying sometimes.  I thought 
people with speech programs and iPhones could tell me a better way.

Thanks for the help.  God bless.

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

By now I'd imagine most of the people still on iOS 9 are on iOS 9 because
it's a better option than forking over additional cash for a new phone when
theirs works perfectly well, outside of the fact Apple has decided that no
new iOS for you. Unless you're still running a machine from nearly 15 years
ago, it's relatively trivial to get something newer than Windows XP running
on it, so there's less of an excuse for sticking with XP as there is
sticking with iOS 9. I'm fortunate enough to have a relatively new phone and
so the only thing stopping me from upgrading to iOS 11 is I see no reason to
do so right at the moment, but when iOS 13 or 14 comes out and Apple decides
I need to buy a new phone, I'll probably be one of the ones hanging back
because there's absolutely nothing wrong with this one.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Certainly not in a hurry as in not in the first few days is smart, but once
the bugs are worked out where I have a well-functioning device I would
certainly want to upgrade. After all, we all know that sooner or later
upgrading is not an option and I highly doubt Apple is bringing this stuff
back to iTunes so why draw out the inevitable especially if there are other
features in the OS which might be really nice to have. I do, for example,
not understand why anybody is still on iOS 9 at this point, but I'm sure a
few people are for whatever reason just as there are some people who still
use Windows XP.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's 

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Entirely possible, at which point I'll start looking for alternatives.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
 IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTunes 12.7


Ringtones are no longer 

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Eh. I've updated both ways, so I mean the apps thing won't annoy me too
much. I may go considerably longer between updates than I ordinarily would,
but I'm sure the world won't end. The only thing that will annoy me is Apple
will essentially force you to redownload all your apps if you restore your
phone for any reason... such as when iOS 11.0.1 comes out. I don't have a
bandwidth cap, by any means, but Apple's cloud restoration ideas have proven
historically less than reliable (see also: problems restoring from an iCloud
backup). It's why I really, really hope the ability to back up to your
computer never goes away, though it sounds like Apple's trying to make that
slightly more pointless.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that
part won't be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven't used that to manage apps in
a long time so as far as I am concerned I won't miss it. Yes, I know that
some Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in
case a new update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates
to manual on the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you
are really concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that
to me doesn't make much sense since certainly people in developing countries
often don't even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the
Philippines which isn't even among the poorest countries and even there
people who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the
population in terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can't afford
an iPhone and they certainly don't have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the
Podcasts app but why Apple won't let you manage your books on the computer
is a mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away
from iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of
things, but having some of these options surely can't hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned
that Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you
will see all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will
follow suit and this new app should really make it much easier to add and
manage files of all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always 

RE: some audio book questions

[Jeff Bishop]

You can purchase them either on the Audible site or Amazon (I would suggest 
Audible). Use the Audbile app to sign in and download the book to play it.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some audio book questions

Hey guys,
OK so i found a book i wanted using audible.  So the big question is how do i 
download it?
I see a thing where you can hear a sample, then you have the tabs, but i see no 
download button.  Any ideas?

On 9/13/17, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So 
> how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
> I take it you do it through the amazon app?
>
> On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
>> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is 
>> really buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app 
>> or the Android version of that. The Audible Desktop player still 
>> works as well on Windows.
>>
>> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>>
>> https://www.downpour.com/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jed Barton
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: some audio book questions
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is 
>> the best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?
>> If
>> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio 
>> book, is amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed
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Re: Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is Obscured by Hats and Beards

[the . big . apple . nerd]

Amazing email. I am very interested in trying this



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On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:48 PM -0400, "Mary Otten"  wrote:











Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is 
Obscured by Hats and Beards
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover
In the new iPhone X, Face ID, a facial recognition system, replaces the Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor we've grown accustomed to since it was introduced in the 
iPhone 5s.




Because Face ID is a new biometric system, there are a lot of questions about 
its accuracy and how it will work in various conditions, all of which Apple has 
answered both in the keynote and on its website.







How Face ID Scans Your Face


Face ID is enabled through a TrueDepth front-facing camera on the iPhone X, 
which has multiple components. A Dot Projector projects more than 30,000 
invisible dots onto your face to map its structure.







The dot map is then read by an infrared camera and the structure of your face 
is relayed to the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X and transformed into a 
mathematical model. The A11 chip then compares your facial structure to the 
facial scan stored in the iPhone X during the setup process.







As with Touch ID, if there is a match between the two face scans, the iPhone X 
will unlock. From there, you can swipe upwards to get to the Home screen.




Face ID in the Dark


Face ID uses infrared to scan your face, so it works in low lighting conditions 
and in the dark. The TrueDepth camera also has what Apple calls a "Flood 
Illuminator," aka an infrared light that illuminates your face in the dark so 
the dot map and the infrared camera can do their jobs.




Fooling Face ID


First of all, Face ID can't be fooled by a photo because it takes a 3D facial 
scan to unlock a device. Face ID is also "attention aware," a feature Apple 
implemented for extra security.




Face ID will only unlock your device when you look in the direction of the 
iPhone X with your eyes open, meaning Face ID only works when there's a live 
person in front of it. Attention aware is optional, though, and can be turned 
off if you choose. Most people will want to leave attention awareness on, but 
for users unable to focus their attention on the iPhone, turning it off will 
allow the iPhone X to unlock with just a facial scan.




Face ID is also sensitive enough to tell the difference between you and someone 
who is wearing a mask of your face. Apple trained Face ID with hyperrealistic 
masks created by Hollywood studios, ensuring a mask of a person wouldn't be 
able to fool the Face ID system.







According to Apple, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID because there are 
slimmer chances of a mismatch. There's a 1 in 50,000 chance someone will be 
able to unlock your iPhone with their fingerprint, but a 1 in 1,000,000 chance 
someone else's face will fool Face ID. That doesn't count for twins, though -- 
if you have an identical twin, that error rate increases.




Touch ID locks a device after five failed attempts, but with Face ID, Apple is 
only allowing two failed attempts. After two incorrect scans, the iPhone X will 
lock and require your passcode to unlock again.




Face ID With Hats, Beards, Makeup, and Glasses


Face ID works with hats, beards, glasses, scarves, and other accessories that 
partially obscure the face. According to Apple, this is because the A11 Bionic 
chip in the iPhone X uses machine learning and a neural engine to recognize 
changes in your appearance.




It's also likely that Face ID, like other facial recognition systems, has a 
match threshold that's below 100 percent, so even with part of the face not 
visible, it recognizes the part that is visible.







Face ID also adapts to changes in your appearance over time, so it will 
continue to recognize you as you grow a beard or grow your hair longer.




One caveat -- Apple doesn't mention sunglasses. There's a chance that Face ID 
doesn't work when wearing sunglasses because it obscures your eyes, and eye 
contact is required for unlocking the device. Attention aware can be disabled, 
though, so Face ID may work with sunglasses in that situation.




Face ID When Unconscious or Sleeping


If someone knocks you unconscious or attempts to unlock your iPhone X with your 
face while you're sleeping, it's not going to work.




As mentioned above, you need to look at your iPhone for Face ID to grant access 
to your device.




Face ID Privacy


On iPhones with Touch ID, your fingerprint data is stored in a Secure Enclave 
on the device, and the same is true of Face ID. Your facial map is encrypted 
and kept in the Secure Enclave, with authentication happening entirely on your 

Re: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.

[dacia . luck]

Yes, all of that makes sense. I was able to find out the information I was 
looking for on a podcast that talked about the developers conference.
Thank you,
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:34 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> And, iOS presentations are featured at WWDC, iOS 11 being no exception. So no 
> point discussing it again at their special event.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2017, at 01:55, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple intentionally kept the presentation under two hours. This
>> presentation not only included three new iPhones but a next generation
>> Apple Watch, which can make cellular calls. The presentation included
>> a dramatic live demonstration of calling someone on a paddle board in
>> a lagoon with the microphones on the watch filtering out environmental
>> noise and delivering  extreme clarity in the call. It was an
>> engineering miracle that no other company in the world offers. If
>> Apple added iOS 11 information, the keynote would have the length of
>> the Academy Awards without the singers and the jokes.
>> 
>> kelly
>> 
>>> On 9/12/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Exactly, software is always the focus of the world wide developer's
>>> conference in June and hardware is the focus of the September event. If you
>>> want to hear all about iOS 11 I suggest instead of watching the June keynote
>>> you check out the Blind Side Podcast Jonathan Mosen did right after the June
>>> event where he goes into all the iOS 11 details from the biew of a blind
>>> person. What is nice is that his daughter Heidi who is sighted is part of
>>> the Podcast and she explains a lot what is visually shown on the slides
>>> during the keynote.
>>> Anyhow, in a little more than a week you can read all about iOS 11 on
>>> Applevis although I can only recommend not to upgrade immediately because I
>>> am sure bugs are present and we'll hear all about them as soon as iOS 11 is
>>> released and the Applevis people and other beta testers can officially talk
>>> about it.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Cristóbal
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:32 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> This was covered in their June event.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of dacia.l...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:10 PM
>>> To: viphone 
>>> Subject: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> Hi, I like watching the iPhone event, but I wish they had actually talked
>>> about iOS 11. I think I want to talk about are really cool, but it would be
>>> nice to know the things we can expect with iOS 11. Is there somewhere I can
>>> go to look and see what it's going to offer? Thanks Dacia
>>> 
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Re: 5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support for Reachability

[Mary Otten]

Well, there was a line in that article that talked about someone using the gold 
master not being able to do the swipe down on the top of their plus phone. I 
assume them and a 7+. So it sounds like this has ramifications for all of us. I 
guess we'll just have to see.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this will change how we access the Control and
> Notification Centers in iOS on all phones, or just on the iPhone X.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/13/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Interesting that this change for the iPhone X is apparently going to have
>> ramifications for other phones, not being able to swipe down from the top to
>> access notification center. That's kind of a drag. I suppose there will be
>> another way to do it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support
>> for Reachability
>> AppleInsider
>> 
>> After years of resisting the trend of larger phones, Apple has now fully
>> embraced two-handed smartphone use with the iPhone X, as the device
>> apparently lacks Reachability —a feature first introduced three years ago
>> with the iPhone 6.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When the iPhone 5 launched in 2012, it marked the first time that Apple
>> expanded the screen size of its smartphone, going from 3.5 inches to 4. To
>> justify the change, Apple made a commercial narrated by Jeff Daniels,
>> showcasing how an average person's thumb could reach all four corners of the
>> device when being used one handed.
>> 
>> The commercial concluded by calling the design of the iPhone 5 "a dazzling
>> display of common sense."
>> 
>> 
>> At the time, larger smartphones running Android were flooding the market,
>> and gaining some popularity, as some users showed a preference for large
>> displays that could show more content.
>> 
>> The 4-inch display eventually gave way to not one but two larger handsets in
>> 2014: the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Not coincidentally, the iPhone 6
>> series also represented tremendous growth for Apple, as consumers who had
>> been waiting for a big-screen iPhone finally got their wish.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Still, Apple didn't want to abandon its dedication to one-handed use, and so
>> alongside the iPhone 6 came a new feature dubbed "Reachability," which
>> brings the top of the display down to a more manageable area for a thumb to
>> reach. To invoke this, users tap —but do not press —the home button twice,
>> allowing for a single touch on the screen before automatically re-expanding
>> to full-size.
>> 
>> But the new iPhone X doesn't have a physical home button, and according to
>> iOS 11 digging by developer Guilherme Rambo, there is not currently any
>> support for Reachability on the new hardware.
>> 
>> While that could change ahead of launch, other tweaks to iOS suggest
>> one-handed use is no longer a priority.
>> 
>> The iPhone X also utilizes a new gesture to multitask and return to the home
>> screen, requiring users to swipe up from the bottom of the screen. This
>> means that Control Center is no longer accessed from the bottom of the
>> screen with the iPhone X.
>> 
>> Instead, users must swipe down from the upper right "notch" corner on the
>> display to access Control Center. For users who use Control Center for quick
>> actions like HomeKit controls, flashlight, media playback and more, the
>> radical design change of the iPhone X will force a change in habit.
>> 
>> Further, the one-handed use changes don't just affect the iPhone X. Using
>> Reachability on a Plus-sized iPhone running the golden master of iOS 11,
>> users cannot swipe down from the top of the display to invoke Notification
>> Center.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Interestingly, iOS 11 does offer one concession for one-handed users: A new
>> one-handed keyboard option that makes it easier to type by cramming the
>> virtual keys onto one side of the device.
>> 
>> The market has shown that users prefer bigger phone screens, and the iPhone
>> X satisfies that trend with the largest iPhone screen ever, measuring 5.8
>> inches diagonally.
>> 
>> For those who prefer one-handed use occasionally, or basically require it
>> for accessibility reasons, the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are still
>> available. Apple even continues to sell the legacy iPhone 7 and iPhone 6s
>> series models. And the iPhone SE offers a no-compromises one-handed
>> experience for users who consider that a must-have.
>> 
>> But the debut of the iPhone X might be an indication that Apple's catering
>> to one-handed iPhone use is a thing of the past.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original Article:
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/13/58-iphone-x-designed-for-two-handed-use-as-apple-apparently-drops-support-for-reachability
>> 
>> 
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Re: some audio book questions

[Mary Otten]

You cannot purchase audible books on Apple devices with the Audible or Amazon 
app. You have to use the website. It's not hard, my audible library as proof of 
that. Smile. It's not as convenient as doing it in the app. Once you have 
purchased a book on the website, you open the Audible app and select cloud, and 
all of your books in your audible library will show up for downloading

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> OK so i found a book i wanted using audible.  So the big question is
> how do i download it?
> I see a thing where you can hear a sample, then you have the tabs, but
> i see no download button.  Any ideas?
> 
>> On 9/13/17, Jed Barton  wrote:
>> Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So
>> how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
>> I take it you do it through the amazon app?
>> 
>>> On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
>>> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is
>>> really
>>> buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app or the
>>> Android
>>> version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on
>>> Windows.
>>> 
>>> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>>> 
>>> https://www.downpour.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
>>> Barton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: some audio book questions
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the
>>> best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?
>>> If
>>> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book,
>>> is
>>> amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jed
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Re: 5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support for Reachability

[Wayne Merritt]

I wonder if this will change how we access the Control and
Notification Centers in iOS on all phones, or just on the iPhone X.

Wayne

On 9/13/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Interesting that this change for the iPhone X is apparently going to have
> ramifications for other phones, not being able to swipe down from the top to
> access notification center. That's kind of a drag. I suppose there will be
> another way to do it.
> Mary
>
> 5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support
> for Reachability
> AppleInsider
>
>  After years of resisting the trend of larger phones, Apple has now fully
> embraced two-handed smartphone use with the iPhone X, as the device
> apparently lacks Reachability —a feature first introduced three years ago
> with the iPhone 6.
>
>
>
>
> When the iPhone 5 launched in 2012, it marked the first time that Apple
> expanded the screen size of its smartphone, going from 3.5 inches to 4. To
> justify the change, Apple made a commercial narrated by Jeff Daniels,
> showcasing how an average person's thumb could reach all four corners of the
> device when being used one handed.
>
> The commercial concluded by calling the design of the iPhone 5 "a dazzling
> display of common sense."
>
>
> At the time, larger smartphones running Android were flooding the market,
> and gaining some popularity, as some users showed a preference for large
> displays that could show more content.
>
> The 4-inch display eventually gave way to not one but two larger handsets in
> 2014: the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Not coincidentally, the iPhone 6
> series also represented tremendous growth for Apple, as consumers who had
> been waiting for a big-screen iPhone finally got their wish.
>
>
>
>
> Still, Apple didn't want to abandon its dedication to one-handed use, and so
> alongside the iPhone 6 came a new feature dubbed "Reachability," which
> brings the top of the display down to a more manageable area for a thumb to
> reach. To invoke this, users tap —but do not press —the home button twice,
> allowing for a single touch on the screen before automatically re-expanding
> to full-size.
>
> But the new iPhone X doesn't have a physical home button, and according to
> iOS 11 digging by developer Guilherme Rambo, there is not currently any
> support for Reachability on the new hardware.
>
> While that could change ahead of launch, other tweaks to iOS suggest
> one-handed use is no longer a priority.
>
> The iPhone X also utilizes a new gesture to multitask and return to the home
> screen, requiring users to swipe up from the bottom of the screen. This
> means that Control Center is no longer accessed from the bottom of the
> screen with the iPhone X.
>
> Instead, users must swipe down from the upper right "notch" corner on the
> display to access Control Center. For users who use Control Center for quick
> actions like HomeKit controls, flashlight, media playback and more, the
> radical design change of the iPhone X will force a change in habit.
>
> Further, the one-handed use changes don't just affect the iPhone X. Using
> Reachability on a Plus-sized iPhone running the golden master of iOS 11,
> users cannot swipe down from the top of the display to invoke Notification
> Center.
>
>
>
>
> Interestingly, iOS 11 does offer one concession for one-handed users: A new
> one-handed keyboard option that makes it easier to type by cramming the
> virtual keys onto one side of the device.
>
> The market has shown that users prefer bigger phone screens, and the iPhone
> X satisfies that trend with the largest iPhone screen ever, measuring 5.8
> inches diagonally.
>
> For those who prefer one-handed use occasionally, or basically require it
> for accessibility reasons, the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are still
> available. Apple even continues to sell the legacy iPhone 7 and iPhone 6s
> series models. And the iPhone SE offers a no-compromises one-handed
> experience for users who consider that a must-have.
>
> But the debut of the iPhone X might be an indication that Apple's catering
> to one-handed iPhone use is a thing of the past.
>
>
>
> Original Article:
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/13/58-iphone-x-designed-for-two-handed-use-as-apple-apparently-drops-support-for-reachability
>
>
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RE: some audio book questions

[Alan Lemly]

To purchase Audible books and then download them to your iDevice, you'll need 
either an Audible or Amazon account. I found it advantageous to link my Audible 
and Amazon accounts a good while back so I only have to worry with remembering 
my Amazon account details. You have to purchase your Audible book either on 
your computer after logging into your account or on your iDevice using Safari 
or another browser app to go to Audible and purchase it. You cannot purchase 
Audible books with the Audible app. Once you've acquired the book and it's in 
your Audible library, you can download it to your device for listening using 
the Audible app. Make sure you investigate getting a free Audible book as a new 
account holder. They used to offer this and I assume it's still available.

Alan Lemly

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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some audio book questions

Hey guys,
OK so i found a book i wanted using audible.  So the big question is how do i 
download it?
I see a thing where you can hear a sample, then you have the tabs, but i see no 
download button.  Any ideas?

On 9/13/17, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So 
> how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
> I take it you do it through the amazon app?
>
> On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
>> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is 
>> really buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app 
>> or the Android version of that. The Audible Desktop player still 
>> works as well on Windows.
>>
>> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>>
>> https://www.downpour.com/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jed Barton
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: some audio book questions
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is 
>> the best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?
>> If
>> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio 
>> book, is amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed
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Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is Obscured by Hats and Beards

[Mary Otten]

Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is 
Obscured by Hats and Beards
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover

In the new iPhone X, Face ID, a facial recognition system, replaces the Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor we've grown accustomed to since it was introduced in the 
iPhone 5s. 

Because Face ID is a new biometric system, there are a lot of questions about 
its accuracy and how it will work in various conditions, all of which Apple has 
answered both in the keynote and on its website. 

 
How Face ID Scans Your Face


Face ID is enabled through a TrueDepth front-facing camera on the iPhone X, 
which has multiple components. A Dot Projector projects more than 30,000 
invisible dots onto your face to map its structure. 

 
The dot map is then read by an infrared camera and the structure of your face 
is relayed to the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X and transformed into a 
mathematical model. The A11 chip then compares your facial structure to the 
facial scan stored in the iPhone X during the setup process. 

 
As with Touch ID, if there is a match between the two face scans, the iPhone X 
will unlock. From there, you can swipe upwards to get to the Home screen. 

Face ID in the Dark


Face ID uses infrared to scan your face, so it works in low lighting conditions 
and in the dark. The TrueDepth camera also has what Apple calls a "Flood 
Illuminator," aka an infrared light that illuminates your face in the dark so 
the dot map and the infrared camera can do their jobs. 

Fooling Face ID


First of all, Face ID can't be fooled by a photo because it takes a 3D facial 
scan to unlock a device. Face ID is also "attention aware," a feature Apple 
implemented for extra security. 

Face ID will only unlock your device when you look in the direction of the 
iPhone X with your eyes open, meaning Face ID only works when there's a live 
person in front of it. Attention aware is optional, though, and can be turned 
off if you choose. Most people will want to leave attention awareness on, but 
for users unable to focus their attention on the iPhone, turning it off will 
allow the iPhone X to unlock with just a facial scan. 

Face ID is also sensitive enough to tell the difference between you and someone 
who is wearing a mask of your face. Apple trained Face ID with hyperrealistic 
masks created by Hollywood studios, ensuring a mask of a person wouldn't be 
able to fool the Face ID system. 

 
According to Apple, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID because there are 
slimmer chances of a mismatch. There's a 1 in 50,000 chance someone will be 
able to unlock your iPhone with their fingerprint, but a 1 in 1,000,000 chance 
someone else's face will fool Face ID. That doesn't count for twins, though -- 
if you have an identical twin, that error rate increases. 

Touch ID locks a device after five failed attempts, but with Face ID, Apple is 
only allowing two failed attempts. After two incorrect scans, the iPhone X will 
lock and require your passcode to unlock again. 

Face ID With Hats, Beards, Makeup, and Glasses


Face ID works with hats, beards, glasses, scarves, and other accessories that 
partially obscure the face. According to Apple, this is because the A11 Bionic 
chip in the iPhone X uses machine learning and a neural engine to recognize 
changes in your appearance. 

It's also likely that Face ID, like other facial recognition systems, has a 
match threshold that's below 100 percent, so even with part of the face not 
visible, it recognizes the part that is visible. 

 
Face ID also adapts to changes in your appearance over time, so it will 
continue to recognize you as you grow a beard or grow your hair longer. 

One caveat -- Apple doesn't mention sunglasses. There's a chance that Face ID 
doesn't work when wearing sunglasses because it obscures your eyes, and eye 
contact is required for unlocking the device. Attention aware can be disabled, 
though, so Face ID may work with sunglasses in that situation. 

Face ID When Unconscious or Sleeping


If someone knocks you unconscious or attempts to unlock your iPhone X with your 
face while you're sleeping, it's not going to work. 

As mentioned above, you need to look at your iPhone for Face ID to grant access 
to your device. 

Face ID Privacy


On iPhones with Touch ID, your fingerprint data is stored in a Secure Enclave 
on the device, and the same is true of Face ID. Your facial map is encrypted 
and kept in the Secure Enclave, with authentication happening entirely on your 
device. No Face ID data is uploaded to iCloud or sent to Apple. 

Multiple Faces in Face ID


When using Touch ID, multiple fingerprints can be added to a device so more 
than one person can unlock it. That is not possible with Face ID. Face ID makes 
a map of a single face and that's the only face that can unlock the iPhone X. 
To add a new face, the existing face must be removed. 

Face ID at an Angle


You don't need to hold the iPhone X 

5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support for Reachability

[Mary Otten]

Interesting that this change for the iPhone X is apparently going to have 
ramifications for other phones, not being able to swipe down from the top to 
access notification center. That's kind of a drag. I suppose there will be 
another way to do it.
Mary

5.8" iPhone X designed for two-handed use as Apple apparently drops support for 
Reachability
AppleInsider

 After years of resisting the trend of larger phones, Apple has now fully 
embraced two-handed smartphone use with the iPhone X, as the device apparently 
lacks Reachability —a feature first introduced three years ago with the iPhone 
6.

 


When the iPhone 5 launched in 2012, it marked the first time that Apple 
expanded the screen size of its smartphone, going from 3.5 inches to 4. To 
justify the change, Apple made a commercial narrated by Jeff Daniels, 
showcasing how an average person's thumb could reach all four corners of the 
device when being used one handed.

The commercial concluded by calling the design of the iPhone 5 "a dazzling 
display of common sense."


At the time, larger smartphones running Android were flooding the market, and 
gaining some popularity, as some users showed a preference for large displays 
that could show more content.

The 4-inch display eventually gave way to not one but two larger handsets in 
2014: the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Not coincidentally, the iPhone 6 series 
also represented tremendous growth for Apple, as consumers who had been waiting 
for a big-screen iPhone finally got their wish.

 


Still, Apple didn't want to abandon its dedication to one-handed use, and so 
alongside the iPhone 6 came a new feature dubbed "Reachability," which brings 
the top of the display down to a more manageable area for a thumb to reach. To 
invoke this, users tap —but do not press —the home button twice, allowing for a 
single touch on the screen before automatically re-expanding to full-size.

But the new iPhone X doesn't have a physical home button, and according to iOS 
11 digging by developer Guilherme Rambo, there is not currently any support for 
Reachability on the new hardware.

While that could change ahead of launch, other tweaks to iOS suggest one-handed 
use is no longer a priority.

The iPhone X also utilizes a new gesture to multitask and return to the home 
screen, requiring users to swipe up from the bottom of the screen. This means 
that Control Center is no longer accessed from the bottom of the screen with 
the iPhone X.

Instead, users must swipe down from the upper right "notch" corner on the 
display to access Control Center. For users who use Control Center for quick 
actions like HomeKit controls, flashlight, media playback and more, the radical 
design change of the iPhone X will force a change in habit.

Further, the one-handed use changes don't just affect the iPhone X. Using 
Reachability on a Plus-sized iPhone running the golden master of iOS 11, users 
cannot swipe down from the top of the display to invoke Notification Center.

 


Interestingly, iOS 11 does offer one concession for one-handed users: A new 
one-handed keyboard option that makes it easier to type by cramming the virtual 
keys onto one side of the device.

The market has shown that users prefer bigger phone screens, and the iPhone X 
satisfies that trend with the largest iPhone screen ever, measuring 5.8 inches 
diagonally.

For those who prefer one-handed use occasionally, or basically require it for 
accessibility reasons, the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are still available. 
Apple even continues to sell the legacy iPhone 7 and iPhone 6s series models. 
And the iPhone SE offers a no-compromises one-handed experience for users who 
consider that a must-have.

But the debut of the iPhone X might be an indication that Apple's catering to 
one-handed iPhone use is a thing of the past.



Original Article: 
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/13/58-iphone-x-designed-for-two-handed-use-as-apple-apparently-drops-support-for-reachability


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Re: Plus or standard.

[Wayne Merritt]

Sieghard,
Several reasons. The biggest is space. I currently have a 128 gig
iPhone 7, and have used just under half the space. I don't want to pay
a premium price for the 256 gig phone when I know I won't use all that
space. If Apple had kept the 128 gig size, I'm still not sure I would
upgrade. I can think of other reasons too, such as the wireless
charging. True, the 8 can be wirelessly charged, but you have to buy
the charger extra. I understand they aren't ready from Apple, but it
seems cheap to sell me an expensive phone without the fancy accessory.
Also, there's not much that really jumps out at me about the new
iPhone 8. This way, I can get the 7 Plus tomorrow and save a little
money on my monthly payment, verses waiting an untold amount of time
to get the new thing that everyone will want. There is also the issue
of the monthly payments though. On AT, the currently monthly payment
for the 7 Plus is $32. Whenever that is reduced because it is the old
phone, it will be even less. Verses the new iPhone 8 Plus, which is
$45 per month.

Jmt,
Wayne

On 9/13/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Really, you are changing from a 7 to a 7 Plus? Why not at least get the 8
> Plus if you really do want to upgrade for battery life, at least then you
> have wireless charging and you can charge your phone while using a headset
> without having to use a splitter and all that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Plus or standard.
>
> Mary, I'm with you. I have a 128 gig 7 from last year, and feel like I'm
> being strong armed to get the 256 gig phone if I want to upgrade.
> I am switching carriers though from T-Mobile back to AT, so I will be
> upgrading, but to a 7 Plus for the longer battery. More than that though, I
> will be on amuch better network with way better coverage. So though it is
> not anew phone, the 7 Plus will be like a new phone for me.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/12/17, lenron brown  wrote:
>> I wish they had released 64 gb 256 and 512. I will get 256 if I get
>> one though.
>>
>> On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Not this time. I saw the prices in a table in an article I was reading.
>>> And
>>> the 256 model is definitely more than I paid last year for 128. I
>>> can't remember the numbers naturally. But it is more, and not just 10
>>> bucks more either.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 Except you probably pay the same this year for 256 Gb as you paid
 dlast year for 128 Gb, that is usually how it goes.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Plus or standard.

 What bums me out about this year's eight and 8+, or for that matter
 I think it's also true for the X, is that they've done away with the
 128 GB model. You're either stuck with 64 or you have to pay for
 256. I have
 128
 GB 7+, and it is more than half full, but nowhere near totally full.
 As a blind person, who does not video, I can't imagine having the
 need for
 256
 GB and it does not thrill me to have to pay more for something I
 really don't need, but 64 isn't enough. Since Apple doesn't do
 storage cards, oh how I wish they did, this is kind of a drag. Last
 year, they offered 32, ridiculous, 128 and 256. I just wish they
 would've kept the three tier structure for this year and presumably
 subsequent years as well.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:48 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>
> I love the bigger devices myself. The battery plays a big part in
> that but to me they just feel nicer in my hand.
>
>> On 9/12/17, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> Thanks Mary and Sieghard for that.
>>
>>
>> One of the main reasons I want to get the larger phone is battery.
>>
>>
>> My 7 is pretty much dead come 7 Pm.
>>
>>
>> if I am going out for the evening I need to use Apples smart case.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Sadam Ahmed
>>
>>
>>> On 13/09/2017 8:10 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> I have the plus, and I don't think I have particularly huge
>>> hands, being a woman, whose hands are generally smaller than many
>>> men's.
>>> And I agree that if you're trying to actually hold the phone, not
>>> have it on any sort of surface, it's really hard if not
>>> impossible to use it with one hand. But if it's laying on your
>>> lap or a table or the arm of the chair and you're 

Re: some audio book questions

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,
OK so i found a book i wanted using audible.  So the big question is
how do i download it?
I see a thing where you can hear a sample, then you have the tabs, but
i see no download button.  Any ideas?

On 9/13/17, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So
> how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
> I take it you do it through the amazon app?
>
> On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
>> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is
>> really
>> buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app or the
>> Android
>> version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on
>> Windows.
>>
>> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>>
>> https://www.downpour.com/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
>> Barton
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: some audio book questions
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the
>> best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?
>> If
>> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book,
>> is
>> amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed
>>
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Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

[Mary Otten]

Somewhere I saw that the 8+ is actually going to have one hour more real world 
battery life than even the 10th. But the best thing is to just wait until all 
these phones are out of people are using them in the real world and start 
conducting systematic battery test.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> I thought they ment the iPhone X uses more energy than the 7 and 8, so they 
> made a better battery to have equal batterytime.
> 
> Ronald
> 
>> Op 13 sep. 2017, om 18:07 heeft Sieghard Weitzel  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> They did also say the iPhone X had 2 hours more battery life, but I don't 
>> think they said if that was 2 hours more over the previous 7 or now the 8 or 
>> if it is 2 hours more than the 7 Plus and 8 Plus. I'm sure all these details 
>> will be revealed in the weeks to come or maybe I should say the next 2 
>> months since the iPhone X won't be in the consumer's hands u ntil early 
>> November.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen
>> 
>> Yeah I knew apple would have away. I just don't see any other reason to get 
>> the x though, just the face id, so the 8 plus 256 might just have to do it 
>> for me. I find myself wanting the watch more than anything.
>> 
>>> On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this 
>>> phone, and I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, 
>>> based on their track record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough 
>>> job.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information 
 regarding today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side 
 Podcast. You can access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind 
 Side Podcast” the first and many subsequent search results will take 
 you straight there. Here is what Jonathan had to say about the 
 accessibility of the Face Id feature:
 
 http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/
 
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trying this again: several questions about podcasts and YouTube

[Wayne Scott]

Hopefully this will go through this time.  I am just researching at
this point.  Which is easier, podcasting or doing a YouTube channel?
I want to do an audio only channel.  How does one record, edit, and
submit a podcast?  What apps would I need for this?  How does one
recored, edit and submit for YouTube?  Speaking of YouTube, I would
like to leave some comments on several subscribed channels.  Every
time I do this on the YouPlayer app, it doesn't work.  How does one
change their name on YouTube?  I am using an iPhone 7 with VoiceOver
and a braille display.  I am running the latest version of IOS.  I
enjoy reading out loud to people, so that is why I am researching
either podcasts or YouTube.  (And for YouTube only, maybe some
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Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

[Ronald van Rhijn]

I thought they ment the iPhone X uses more energy than the 7 and 8, so they 
made a better battery to have equal batterytime.

Ronald

> Op 13 sep. 2017, om 18:07 heeft Sieghard Weitzel  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> They did also say the iPhone X had 2 hours more battery life, but I don't 
> think they said if that was 2 hours more over the previous 7 or now the 8 or 
> if it is 2 hours more than the 7 Plus and 8 Plus. I'm sure all these details 
> will be revealed in the weeks to come or maybe I should say the next 2 months 
> since the iPhone X won't be in the consumer's hands u ntil early November.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> lenron brown
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen
> 
> Yeah I knew apple would have away. I just don't see any other reason to get 
> the x though, just the face id, so the 8 plus 256 might just have to do it 
> for me. I find myself wanting the watch more than anything.
> 
> On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this 
>> phone, and I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, 
>> based on their track record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough 
>> job.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information 
>>> regarding today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side 
>>> Podcast. You can access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind 
>>> Side Podcast” the first and many subsequent search results will take 
>>> you straight there. Here is what Jonathan had to say about the 
>>> accessibility of the Face Id feature:
>>> 
>>> http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
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Re: Speakers of iPhone X

[Ronald van Rhijn]

I would think so too, but there may be less room. Youre right though, we will 
see it soon enough.

Ronald

> Op 13 sep. 2017, om 18:16 heeft Sieghard Weitzel  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> They would be the same, there is no way Apple would put lower quality 
> speakers into their flagship phone.
> Once I Fix It gets their hand on an iPhone X we'll know all, but it does 
> sound very much like the iPhone X mostly is different from the iPhone 8 
> because of the OLED screen and the Face Id which implies the removal of Touch 
> Id and the home button and the addition of this neural engine or whatever 
> Apple called it which is responsible for decoding the Face Id data on your 
> phone.
> I would also not be surprised if the iPhone X had maybe more RAM and was a 
> bit surprised that it wasn't offered with 512 Gb of storage, but as I said, 
> we'll know it all in early November when I Fix It tears one apart.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speakers of iPhone X
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anybody heard or read anything about the speakers of the iPhone X? I only 
> heard Apple talking about the better stereo speakers of the iPhone 8, more 
> louder and bass.
> I can imagine there’s less room for good speakers on the X.
> 
> Ronald
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Re: some audio book questions

[Jed Barton]

Have you found the audio books to be accessible through amazon?  So
how does it work, you download them and they just come to your phone?
I take it you do it through the amazon app?

On 9/13/17, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
> Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is really
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> version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on Windows.
>
> Another site for MP3 audio books is:
>
> https://www.downpour.com/
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>
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>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the
> best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?  If
> so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book, is
> amazon a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?
>
> Cheers,
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RE: some audio book questions

[Jeff Bishop]

Audible was purchased by Amazon so buying audio books through them is really 
buying from Amazon/Audible. You will need the iOS Audible app or the Android 
version of that. The Audible Desktop player still works as well on Windows.

Another site for MP3 audio books is:

https://www.downpour.com/


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Subject: some audio book questions

Hey guys,

OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is the best 
place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books accessible?  If so 
what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to buy an audio book, is amazon 
a good place, and what would you recommend for apps?

Cheers,
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some audio book questions

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

OK, so i'm looking to get some audio books.  My question is where is
the best place to get them?  Are things like amazon audio books
accessible?  If so what's the best app to play them on?  If i were to
buy an audio book, is amazon a good place, and what would you
recommend for apps?

Cheers,
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Re: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.

[christopher hallsworth]

And, iOS presentations are featured at WWDC, iOS 11 being no exception. So no 
point discussing it again at their special event.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 01:55, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> Apple intentionally kept the presentation under two hours. This
> presentation not only included three new iPhones but a next generation
> Apple Watch, which can make cellular calls. The presentation included
> a dramatic live demonstration of calling someone on a paddle board in
> a lagoon with the microphones on the watch filtering out environmental
> noise and delivering  extreme clarity in the call. It was an
> engineering miracle that no other company in the world offers. If
> Apple added iOS 11 information, the keynote would have the length of
> the Academy Awards without the singers and the jokes.
> 
> kelly
> 
> On 9/12/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Exactly, software is always the focus of the world wide developer's
>> conference in June and hardware is the focus of the September event. If you
>> want to hear all about iOS 11 I suggest instead of watching the June keynote
>> you check out the Blind Side Podcast Jonathan Mosen did right after the June
>> event where he goes into all the iOS 11 details from the biew of a blind
>> person. What is nice is that his daughter Heidi who is sighted is part of
>> the Podcast and she explains a lot what is visually shown on the slides
>> during the keynote.
>> Anyhow, in a little more than a week you can read all about iOS 11 on
>> Applevis although I can only recommend not to upgrade immediately because I
>> am sure bugs are present and we'll hear all about them as soon as iOS 11 is
>> released and the Applevis people and other beta testers can officially talk
>> about it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Cristóbal
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.
>> 
>> This was covered in their June event.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of dacia.l...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:10 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Wished the keynote event would have talked about iOS 11.
>> 
>> Hi, I like watching the iPhone event, but I wish they had actually talked
>> about iOS 11. I think I want to talk about are really cool, but it would be
>> nice to know the things we can expect with iOS 11. Is there somewhere I can
>> go to look and see what it's going to offer? Thanks Dacia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: latest dropbox & IOS 11

[Vicki]

Thank you.
I'm not using IOS 11, but I will, so I was just wondering if Dropbox still 
works correctly once you are in there. Is getting to DB different when using 
IOS 11?

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:03 PM
  Subject: RE: latest dropbox & IOS 11


  Try using the Files app if you are running the iOS 11 Beta, the latest 
Dropbox update said this in the Whats New section:

   

  What’s new:

  • Easier access to Dropbox: Once you upgrade to iOS 11, you can access your 
Dropbox files from the new Files app and supported third-party apps. No need to 
flip back and forth between apps.

  • HEIC/HEIF/HEVC support: If those letters look like gibberish, don’t worry. 
They’re the new image formats used in iOS 11. Just so you know, you can now 
preview those images in our app.

  • More photo previews: For our photography fans out there, Dropbox can now 
display more raw photo formats, including Fujifilm, Panasonic, Leica, and 
Hasselblad. Say cheese!

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:20 AM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: latest dropbox & IOS 11

   

  Has anyone using IOS 11 tried it with dropbox 64.2? There were some changes 
taking affect in DB with IOS 11 involving graphics with DB, so I am wondering 
how well it is working?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Liz and LD Hope]

I just updated to the latest version of iTunes.  Yeah, there are changes,
but for what I use iTunes for, it does not affect me.  I figure updating is
going to be necessary sooner rather than later, so I did it.  

 

Liz Ulrich

and LD Hope

 

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Cris Ali]

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: Braille Display command trouble

[Richard Turner]

I suspect it is since it just says iOS 11.  It doesn't say beta.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble

You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's what 
I'm running now on all my devices.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane  wrote:
> 
> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
> IOS 11 next week.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Melissa Tucker
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>> 
>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane  wrote:
>> 
>> I think this is the group I should ask 
>> this question of, so here goes.
>>  
>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song 
>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
>> throught the list of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song 
>> folder but not further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the 
>> words.  I have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is 
>> there a voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the 
>> song words to my list of songs?  I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I 
>> wanted to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone 
>> can help.
>>  
>> Thanks much.  God bless.
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Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

[Sue Bee]

If you watch the presentation from Apple, they were not describing a system 
that reacts to someone's gaze. They were describing a system that maps the 
appearance of your face. When you hold the device in front of your face in the 
training process it understands what you look like taking all of your features 
into account. It is not like a fingerprint of your eyeball. There should be 
absolutely no problems with someone who has prosthetic eyes using that system.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 3:02 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> what if your eyes are prosthetic as mine are?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 13:49
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: About unlocking iPhone 10
> 
> It will be interesting to see how this works in the real world once these 
> phones are in the hands of blind users. It's nice Apple is thinking of this, 
> but I thought it was neat how Face Id wouldn't unlock a phone if the person 
> had their eyes closed. This makes total sense because if it could be unlocked 
> this way anybody could pick up your phone if you are asleep or what if you 
> had an accident and are unconscious or what if somebody simply hit you on the 
> head because they want to steel your phone. They could then unlock it quite 
> easily by simply pointing it to your face.
> Of course in the situation where you are out cold because of an accident or 
> because you got bonked on the head somebody could do what they want with your 
> hand as well and unlock using Touch Id. Nobody could pick up my hand to put 
> it on the Touch Id if I'm asleep without waking me up, but you could probably 
> pick up my wife and put her in a tub filled with cold water without waking 
> her up when she's asleep *smile*.
> Anyhow, I would probably re-enable the attention feature first to see if it 
> works just for security, if it's disabled by default when Voiceover is 
> running and a smart iPhone thief knows this they could simply bring up SIRI, 
> tell SIRI to turn on Voiceover and then this security aspect would be 
> disabled.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Greg Wocher
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
> 
> Hello,
> You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility 
> options. This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This 
> was mentioned in an applevis post.
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock it by 
>> pointing it at you while you are asleep.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
>> 
>> The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not 
>> closed. If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your eyes 
>> were open or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself included, who 
>> are sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes closed. When that 
>> happens to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they were closed. And opening 
>> them or at least when I guess is opening them feels entirely not natural. 
>> Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do not feel the need to rush out for an 
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is not 
>>> about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Kathy Brandt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10
>>> 
>>> Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, and 
>>> poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes aren't real, 
>>> will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at it? Hopefully they 
>>> have thought of this, and there is an alternative way to unlock it
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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Certainly not in a hurry as in not in the first few days is smart, but once the 
bugs are worked out where I have a well-functioning device I would certainly 
want to upgrade. After all, we all know that sooner or later upgrading is not 
an option and I highly doubt Apple is bringing this stuff back to iTunes so why 
draw out the inevitable especially if there are other features in the OS which 
might be really nice to have. I do, for example, not understand why anybody is 
still on iOS 9 at this point, but I’m sure a few people are for whatever reason 
just as there are some people who still use Windows XP.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

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fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
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devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
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RE: Alexa app on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Thanks, if you could find out for sure, that would be great!
Thanks,
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:54 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: Alexa app on the iPhone

You can, however, do this with the reverve app I believe it is... haven't used 
it in a while, and if someone would like more info I will dig it up.
Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:44 PM Aleeha Dudley 
> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot talk to the Alexa app, it is only a method for accessing settings 
and features of the Echo device. You can access your messages and 
notifications, as well as enable and sign into new skills, but you can’t 
actually interact with Alexa through the app.
HTH,
Aleeha
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Richard Turner 
> > wrote:
>
> I have a client who just got an Echo Dot.
> It is now setup on his iPhone.
>
> I do not have one, so wondered what the app provides you when you are not in 
> the same room as the Echo Dot?
> Can you verbally talk to the app and get responses?
> I won't see him for a couple of weeks, so any tips on what the app does for 
> you would be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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RE: Alexa app on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Good to know.
Thank you.
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:44 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: Alexa app on the iPhone

Hi, 
You cannot talk to the Alexa app, it is only a method for accessing settings 
and features of the Echo device. You can access your messages and 
notifications, as well as enable and sign into new skills, but you can’t 
actually interact with Alexa through the app.
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a client who just got an Echo Dot.
> It is now setup on his iPhone.
> 
> I do not have one, so wondered what the app provides you when you are not in 
> the same room as the Echo Dot?
> Can you verbally talk to the app and get responses?
> I won't see him for a couple of weeks, so any tips on what the app does for 
> you would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> Richard
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RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple does Face Id not retina or cornia scanning. I think without Voiceover 
where as they say "attention is required" means simply the phone will know if 
your eyes are open and looking at the phone, after that it's strictly Face 
recognition. As they said in the keynote, an array of 30,000 infrared dots is 
projected onto your face and after you taught your phone to recognize you these 
dots map, measure and compare your face to what is there. My guess is that it 
will work just fine for people who have prosthetic eyes which is also the case 
for me.


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

what if your eyes are prosthetic as mine are?

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 13:49
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

It will be interesting to see how this works in the real world once these 
phones are in the hands of blind users. It's nice Apple is thinking of this, 
but I thought it was neat how Face Id wouldn't unlock a phone if the person had 
their eyes closed. This makes total sense because if it could be unlocked this 
way anybody could pick up your phone if you are asleep or what if you had an 
accident and are unconscious or what if somebody simply hit you on the head 
because they want to steel your phone. They could then unlock it quite easily 
by simply pointing it to your face.
Of course in the situation where you are out cold because of an accident or 
because you got bonked on the head somebody could do what they want with your 
hand as well and unlock using Touch Id. Nobody could pick up my hand to put it 
on the Touch Id if I'm asleep without waking me up, but you could probably pick 
up my wife and put her in a tub filled with cold water without waking her up 
when she's asleep *smile*.
Anyhow, I would probably re-enable the attention feature first to see if it 
works just for security, if it's disabled by default when Voiceover is running 
and a smart iPhone thief knows this they could simply bring up SIRI, tell SIRI 
to turn on Voiceover and then this security aspect would be disabled.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

Hello,
You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility options. 
This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This was 
mentioned in an applevis post.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock 
> it by pointing it at you while you are asleep.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
>
> The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not 
> closed. If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your 
> eyes were open or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself 
> included, who are sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes 
> closed. When that happens to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they 
> were closed. And opening them or at least when I guess is opening them 
> feels entirely not natural. Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do 
> not feel the need to rush out for an upgrade.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is 
>> not about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10
>>
>> Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, 
>> and poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes 
>> aren't real, will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at 
>> it? Hopefully they have thought of this, and there is an alternative 
>> way to unlock it
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RE: latest dropbox & IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Try using the Files app if you are running the iOS 11 Beta, the latest Dropbox 
update said this in the Whats New section:


What’s new:

• Easier access to Dropbox: Once you upgrade to iOS 11, you can access your 
Dropbox files from the new Files app and supported third-party apps. No need to 
flip back and forth between apps.

• HEIC/HEIF/HEVC support: If those letters look like gibberish, don’t worry. 
They’re the new image formats used in iOS 11. Just so you know, you can now 
preview those images in our app.
• More photo previews: For our photography fans out there, Dropbox can now 
display more raw photo formats, including Fujifilm, Panasonic, Leica, and 
Hasselblad. Say cheese!

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:20 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: latest dropbox & IOS 11

Has anyone using IOS 11 tried it with dropbox 64.2? There were some changes 
taking affect in DB with IOS 11 involving graphics with DB, so I am wondering 
how well it is working?

Thanks.

Vicki

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Alan Lemly]

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday 

  following Apple’s slate of product announcements 

 , and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right 

 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from Apple. That can 
easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app choices. Many 
users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively modest, and this 
won’t be as big a hit.

There’s no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of 
restrictions on your internet service—whether in performance or limits—you 
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend without 
those limits. You’ll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to restore an 
iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple introduced 
many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with a Mac before 
iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were readily available. 
It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon in the area below the 
playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads 

 IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.

Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

what if your eyes are prosthetic as mine are?

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 13:49
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

It will be interesting to see how this works in the real world once these 
phones are in the hands of blind users. It's nice Apple is thinking of this, 
but I thought it was neat how Face Id wouldn't unlock a phone if the person 
had their eyes closed. This makes total sense because if it could be 
unlocked this way anybody could pick up your phone if you are asleep or what 
if you had an accident and are unconscious or what if somebody simply hit 
you on the head because they want to steel your phone. They could then 
unlock it quite easily by simply pointing it to your face.
Of course in the situation where you are out cold because of an accident or 
because you got bonked on the head somebody could do what they want with 
your hand as well and unlock using Touch Id. Nobody could pick up my hand to 
put it on the Touch Id if I'm asleep without waking me up, but you could 
probably pick up my wife and put her in a tub filled with cold water without 
waking her up when she's asleep *smile*.
Anyhow, I would probably re-enable the attention feature first to see if it 
works just for security, if it's disabled by default when Voiceover is 
running and a smart iPhone thief knows this they could simply bring up SIRI, 
tell SIRI to turn on Voiceover and then this security aspect would be 
disabled.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Greg Wocher

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

Hello,
You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility 
options. This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This 
was mentioned in an applevis post.


Regards,
Greg Wocher

On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock it by 
pointing it at you while you are asleep.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not 
closed. If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your eyes 
were open or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself included, 
who are sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes closed. When 
that happens to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they were closed. And 
opening them or at least when I guess is opening them feels entirely not 
natural. Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do not feel the need to rush 
out for an upgrade.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is not 
about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Kathy Brandt

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10

Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, and 
poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes aren't real, 
will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at it? Hopefully 
they have thought of this, and there is an alternative way to unlock it


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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[christopher hallsworth]

You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's what 
I'm running now on all my devices.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane  wrote:
> 
> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
> IOS 11 next week.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Melissa Tucker
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>> 
>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane  wrote:
>> 
>> I think this is the group I should ask 
>> this question of, so here goes.
>>  
>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song 
>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
>> throught the list of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song 
>> folder but not further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the 
>> words.  I have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is 
>> there a voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the 
>> song words to my list of songs?  I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I 
>> wanted to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone 
>> can help.
>>  
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Re: Alexa app on the iPhone

[Nimer Jaber]

You can, however, do this with the reverve app I believe it is... haven't
used it in a while, and if someone would like more info I will dig it up.

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:44 PM Aleeha Dudley 
wrote:

> Hi,
> You cannot talk to the Alexa app, it is only a method for accessing
> settings and features of the Echo device. You can access your messages and
> notifications, as well as enable and sign into new skills, but you can’t
> actually interact with Alexa through the app.
> HTH,
> Aleeha
> > On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Richard Turner 
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> >
> > I have a client who just got an Echo Dot.
> > It is now setup on his iPhone.
> >
> > I do not have one, so wondered what the app provides you when you are
> not in the same room as the Echo Dot?
> > Can you verbally talk to the app and get responses?
> > I won't see him for a couple of weeks, so any tips on what the app does
> for you would be helpful.
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Re: Alexa app on the iPhone

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
You cannot talk to the Alexa app, it is only a method for accessing settings 
and features of the Echo device. You can access your messages and 
notifications, as well as enable and sign into new skills, but you can’t 
actually interact with Alexa through the app.
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a client who just got an Echo Dot.
> It is now setup on his iPhone.
> 
> I do not have one, so wondered what the app provides you when you are not in 
> the same room as the Echo Dot?
> Can you verbally talk to the app and get responses?
> I won't see him for a couple of weeks, so any tips on what the app does for 
> you would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> Richard
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latest dropbox & IOS 11

[Vicki]

Has anyone using IOS 11 tried it with dropbox 64.2? There were some changes 
taking affect in DB with IOS 11 involving graphics with DB, so I am wondering 
how well it is working?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Alexa app on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

I have a client who just got an Echo Dot.
It is now setup on his iPhone.

I do not have one, so wondered what the app provides you when you are not in 
the same room as the Echo Dot?
Can you verbally talk to the app and get responses?
I won't see him for a couple of weeks, so any tips on what the app does for you 
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RE: Plus or standard.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Really, you are changing from a 7 to a 7 Plus? Why not at least get the 8 Plus 
if you really do want to upgrade for battery life, at least then you have 
wireless charging and you can charge your phone while using a headset without 
having to use a splitter and all that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Plus or standard.

Mary, I'm with you. I have a 128 gig 7 from last year, and feel like I'm being 
strong armed to get the 256 gig phone if I want to upgrade.
I am switching carriers though from T-Mobile back to AT, so I will be 
upgrading, but to a 7 Plus for the longer battery. More than that though, I 
will be on amuch better network with way better coverage. So though it is not 
anew phone, the 7 Plus will be like a new phone for me.

Wayne

On 9/12/17, lenron brown  wrote:
> I wish they had released 64 gb 256 and 512. I will get 256 if I get 
> one though.
>
> On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Not this time. I saw the prices in a table in an article I was reading.
>> And
>> the 256 model is definitely more than I paid last year for 128. I 
>> can't remember the numbers naturally. But it is more, and not just 10 
>> bucks more either.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Except you probably pay the same this year for 256 Gb as you paid 
>>> dlast year for 128 Gb, that is usually how it goes.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:00 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Plus or standard.
>>>
>>> What bums me out about this year's eight and 8+, or for that matter 
>>> I think it's also true for the X, is that they've done away with the 
>>> 128 GB model. You're either stuck with 64 or you have to pay for 
>>> 256. I have
>>> 128
>>> GB 7+, and it is more than half full, but nowhere near totally full. 
>>> As a blind person, who does not video, I can't imagine having the 
>>> need for
>>> 256
>>> GB and it does not thrill me to have to pay more for something I 
>>> really don't need, but 64 isn't enough. Since Apple doesn't do 
>>> storage cards, oh how I wish they did, this is kind of a drag. Last 
>>> year, they offered 32, ridiculous, 128 and 256. I just wish they 
>>> would've kept the three tier structure for this year and presumably 
>>> subsequent years as well.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:48 PM, lenron brown  wrote:

 I love the bigger devices myself. The battery plays a big part in 
 that but to me they just feel nicer in my hand.

> On 9/12/17, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> Thanks Mary and Sieghard for that.
>
>
> One of the main reasons I want to get the larger phone is battery.
>
>
> My 7 is pretty much dead come 7 Pm.
>
>
> if I am going out for the evening I need to use Apples smart case.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
>
>> On 13/09/2017 8:10 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have the plus, and I don't think I have particularly huge 
>> hands, being a woman, whose hands are generally smaller than many men's.
>> And I agree that if you're trying to actually hold the phone, not 
>> have it on any sort of surface, it's really hard if not 
>> impossible to use it with one hand. But if it's laying on your 
>> lap or a table or the arm of the chair and you're sitting in that 
>> chair, then I don't have a problem using just one hand. Of 
>> course, you couldn't use braille keyboard input with just one 
>> hand, that would be true for any of the phones I would think. The 
>> reason I finally got the larger size was because of larger 
>> battery. I would rather have the smaller size, but the big 
>> battery has made a significant difference for me, so the 
>> trade-off is worth it.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Sadam Ahmed 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrading to the iPhone 8.
>>>
>>>
>>> My question is how big is the plus version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it easy  to use with one hand?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any answers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>
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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman



iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from Apple. That can 
easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app choices. Many 
users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively modest, and this 
won’t be as big a hit.

There’s no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of 
restrictions on your internet service—whether in performance or limits—you 
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend without 
those limits. You’ll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to restore an 
iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple introduced 
many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with a Mac before 
iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were readily available. 
It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon in the area below the 
playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the navigation list at left.
[itunes 12 7 file downloads]IDG

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.

Other changes in iTunes 12.7

Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find 
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any 
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if 
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My 
Device to remove and add them.

In iOS 11, 

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.
As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.
One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman



iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than 

RE: About unlocking iPhone 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It will be interesting to see how this works in the real world once these 
phones are in the hands of blind users. It's nice Apple is thinking of this, 
but I thought it was neat how Face Id wouldn't unlock a phone if the person had 
their eyes closed. This makes total sense because if it could be unlocked this 
way anybody could pick up your phone if you are asleep or what if you had an 
accident and are unconscious or what if somebody simply hit you on the head 
because they want to steel your phone. They could then unlock it quite easily 
by simply pointing it to your face.
Of course in the situation where you are out cold because of an accident or 
because you got bonked on the head somebody could do what they want with your 
hand as well and unlock using Touch Id. Nobody could pick up my hand to put it 
on the Touch Id if I'm asleep without waking me up, but you could probably pick 
up my wife and put her in a tub filled with cold water without waking her up 
when she's asleep *smile*.
Anyhow, I would probably re-enable the attention feature first to see if it 
works just for security, if it's disabled by default when Voiceover is running 
and a smart iPhone thief knows this they could simply bring up SIRI, tell SIRI 
to turn on Voiceover and then this security aspect would be disabled.
 
Regards,
Sieghard

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Greg Wocher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

Hello,
You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility options. 
This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This was 
mentioned in an applevis post.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock it by 
> pointing it at you while you are asleep.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
> 
> The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not closed. 
> If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your eyes were open 
> or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself included, who are 
> sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes closed. When that happens 
> to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they were closed. And opening them or 
> at least when I guess is opening them feels entirely not natural. 
> Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do not feel the need to rush out for an 
> upgrade.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is not 
>> about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10
>> 
>> Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, and 
>> poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes aren't real, 
>> will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at it? Hopefully they 
>> have thought of this, and there is an alternative way to unlock it 
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RE: Dating sites

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keep in mind that typically dating sites are like products in that you get what 
you pay for. Anything that is free is likely to have a lot of fake stuff on it, 
if people have to pay a membership there is a much greater likelyhood they are 
actually serious about finding somebody for real.

I met my wife who is from the Philippines on 
www.ChristianCafe.com. We met in late 2008 and 
that was for the most part before the age of accessible smartphones and apps. I 
did have an accessible Windows Mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak at the time, 
but apps were not really available for these phones at the time and certainly 
not in the sense as we think of apps nowadays. ChristianCafe.com however was 
and probably still is quite accessible on the computer; it's not like I have to 
use it any more since our nice tropical wedding in the Philippines ☺.



Regards,

Sieghard



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Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dating sites



Hello everyone,





I know this will likely seem like an odd question to ask. But I figured what 
could it hurt?





I was wondering, does anyone know of dating sites in the US, that are

pretty accessible with the iPhone, or iPad?



I find using my iPhone tends to be easier for me.





But I am looking for free, or sites that aren't too expensive. Ones that

are as accessible as possible. It doesn't matter if it's sites for

people with disabilities, or ones for people without, or mixed. I am

trying to keep my options open, here.





I know last year, I think it was, that Plenty of Fish was pretty accessible.



However, I would get a lot of these things that would say, so and so

wants to meet you. But when I would look at the profile, I knew it

couldn't be someone interested in me. And no, I am not saying that due

to my disabilities. It just wouldn't make sense.





So if anyone has any thoughts, or ideas, I would appreciate hearing them.





Thank you,





Terri



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iPhone X dimensions and weight, was: iPhone X Question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

It is exactly the shape of the current iPhones, but all 3 new iPhones now have 
also a glass back (again) since the iPhone 4 and 4S also had a glass back.
I just Googled iPhone X dimensions and did find the following information on 
GSMMarina.com, here they did by the way also say the iPhone X would have 3 Gb 
of RAM which I think means it has 1 Gb more than the current regular size 
models, but I think the 7 Plus also had 3 Gb. Anyhow, here the dimensions for 
the iPhone 7 (regular 4.7 inch screen size) and then the iPhone X, after that 
the summary/comparison:

iPhone 7
Dimensions: 138.3 x 67.1 x 7.1 mm or 5.44 x 2.64 x 0.28 inches
Screen (diagonal): 4.7 inches
Weight: 138 grams or 4.87 ounces

iPhone X
Dimensions: 143.6 x 70.9 x 7.7 mm or 5.65 x 2.79 x 0.30 inches
Screen (diagonal): 5.8 inches
Weight: 174 grams or 6.14 ounces

iPhone X is larger than an iPhone 7 as follows:
Length: 5.3 mm or just under a quarter inch longer
Width: 3.8mm or just over an eighth inch wider
Thickness: 0.6mm thicker, also 0.3mm thicker than an iPhone 7 Plus
Weight: 36 grams or about an ounce and a quarter heavier (only 14 grams or 
about half an ounce lighter than a 7 Plus).

All in all it's amazing that with such a marginally larger size compared to the 
regular 4.7 inch screen models they can make the screen even larger than on the 
plus models. I think sighted people will love this. I can imagine that this 
phone would feel very nice to hold, it will have more weight to it but it is 
only an eighth inch wider and less than a quarter inch longer than the regular 
size phones now and of course because of the OLED screen and more power 
efficient CPU 2 hours more battery life puts it into the league of the Plus 
models as well for that. In fact, when the OLED screen becomes standard I could 
even see the larger Plus size phone models disappearing unless they also get 
the OLED screen and with no bezel and home button I bet they could give these 
phones a 6.5 or 6.7 inch screen which is not that far off an iPad Mini screen 
and the term "Phablet" would really apply then.

For those who have a hard time picturing what a quarter or eighth inch is, here 
something to compare it to:
A quarter inch is 6mm. The current iPhone 6, 6S or 7 are 7.1mm thick, this 
means the iPhone X is longer than the iPhone 7 by less than the thickness of 
the 7 and wider by only half of that thickness.
In fact, the iPhone 5S was 7.6 mm thick which is basically the same as the 
iPhone X and if somebody ever put an iPhone 5S next to an iPhone 6S or 7 you 
know how almost unperceptable that difference of half a millimeter is, maybe 
the same as 2 postcards on top of each other.
I think if you picked up an iPhone X you might notice the heavier weight, but 
at first would not even notice that it is larger than a 6S or 7.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Christine Grassman
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:46 AM
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Subject: iPhone X Question

This is a “visual” question, in the sense that it is not possible for me to 
gauge by the information out there what the iPhone X “looks like” and will feel 
like in one’s hand. When the screen size is described, they say “on the 
diagonal,” and they discuss “rounded edges” — but I cannot get a sense of what 
the phone would feel like as compared to what it feels like now. Does it bulge 
slightly outward toward the center and have super thin edges? Is it essentially 
the size of the larger devices now, such as the S’s or Pluses, insofar as what 
is held in your hand? I prefer a smaller device, but like the idea of rounded 
edges and a thinner body . . . but I am having a difficult time discerning what 
the X’s hardware is like. Can someone with some  vision describe, or is there a 
source which describes this well? Thanks much.
Christine

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RE: Speakers of iPhone X

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They would be the same, there is no way Apple would put lower quality speakers 
into their flagship phone.
Once I Fix It gets their hand on an iPhone X we'll know all, but it does sound 
very much like the iPhone X mostly is different from the iPhone 8 because of 
the OLED screen and the Face Id which implies the removal of Touch Id and the 
home button and the addition of this neural engine or whatever Apple called it 
which is responsible for decoding the Face Id data on your phone.
I would also not be surprised if the iPhone X had maybe more RAM and was a bit 
surprised that it wasn't offered with 512 Gb of storage, but as I said, we'll 
know it all in early November when I Fix It tears one apart.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Speakers of iPhone X

Hi,

Has anybody heard or read anything about the speakers of the iPhone X? I only 
heard Apple talking about the better stereo speakers of the iPhone 8, more 
louder and bass.
I can imagine there’s less room for good speakers on the X.

Ronald

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RE: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Mary, you have a 7 Plus, right? Unless you have more money than you can count I 
totally agree that buying an 8, 8 Plus or iPhone X would be a waste of money. 
If somebody has a ton of money and likes new toys I guess that’s fair enough, 
but I think even those of us who have a 6S or 6S Plus can easily get a third 
year out of these devices and I think as these phones mature and revolutionary 
new features are becoming more difficult to develop more and more people will 
keep their phone for at least 3 years, I mean who goes out and buys a new 
$1,000 or more laptop every year or every 2 years, not that many and in the 
tablet market Apple is already seeing this, somebody who bought an iPad last 
year or two years ago is unlikely to buy a new one for at least 3 or 4 years.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this phone, and 
I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, based on their track 
record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough job.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Hi,

As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information regarding 
today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side Podcast. You can 
access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind Side 
Podcast” the first and many subsequent search results will take you straight 
there. Here is what Jonathan had to say about the accessibility of the Face Id 
feature:

http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/

Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They did also say the iPhone X had 2 hours more battery life, but I don't think 
they said if that was 2 hours more over the previous 7 or now the 8 or if it is 
2 hours more than the 7 Plus and 8 Plus. I'm sure all these details will be 
revealed in the weeks to come or maybe I should say the next 2 months since the 
iPhone X won't be in the consumer's hands u ntil early November.

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lenron brown
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

Yeah I knew apple would have away. I just don't see any other reason to get the 
x though, just the face id, so the 8 plus 256 might just have to do it for me. 
I find myself wanting the watch more than anything.

On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this 
> phone, and I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, 
> based on their track record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough job.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information 
>> regarding today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side 
>> Podcast. You can access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind 
>> Side Podcast” the first and many subsequent search results will take 
>> you straight there. Here is what Jonathan had to say about the 
>> accessibility of the Face Id feature:
>>
>> http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
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Re: Plus or standard.

[Wayne Merritt]

Mary, I'm with you. I have a 128 gig 7 from last year, and feel like
I'm being strong armed to get the 256 gig phone if I want to upgrade.
I am switching carriers though from T-Mobile back to AT, so I will
be upgrading, but to a 7 Plus for the longer battery. More than that
though, I will be on amuch better network with way better coverage. So
though it is not anew phone, the 7 Plus will be like a new phone for
me.

Wayne

On 9/12/17, lenron brown  wrote:
> I wish they had released 64 gb 256 and 512. I will get 256 if I get one
> though.
>
> On 9/12/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Not this time. I saw the prices in a table in an article I was reading.
>> And
>> the 256 model is definitely more than I paid last year for 128. I can't
>> remember the numbers naturally. But it is more, and not just 10 bucks
>> more
>> either.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Except you probably pay the same this year for 256 Gb as you paid dlast
>>> year for 128 Gb, that is usually how it goes.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:00 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Plus or standard.
>>>
>>> What bums me out about this year's eight and 8+, or for that matter I
>>> think it's also true for the X, is that they've done away with the 128
>>> GB
>>> model. You're either stuck with 64 or you have to pay for 256. I have
>>> 128
>>> GB 7+, and it is more than half full, but nowhere near totally full. As
>>> a
>>> blind person, who does not video, I can't imagine having the need for
>>> 256
>>> GB and it does not thrill me to have to pay more for something I really
>>> don't need, but 64 isn't enough. Since Apple doesn't do storage cards,
>>> oh
>>> how I wish they did, this is kind of a drag. Last year, they offered 32,
>>> ridiculous, 128 and 256. I just wish they would've kept the three tier
>>> structure for this year and presumably subsequent years as well.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:48 PM, lenron brown  wrote:

 I love the bigger devices myself. The battery plays a big part in that
 but to me they just feel nicer in my hand.

> On 9/12/17, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> Thanks Mary and Sieghard for that.
>
>
> One of the main reasons I want to get the larger phone is battery.
>
>
> My 7 is pretty much dead come 7 Pm.
>
>
> if I am going out for the evening I need to use Apples smart case.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
>
>> On 13/09/2017 8:10 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have the plus, and I don't think I have particularly huge hands,
>> being a woman, whose hands are generally smaller than many men's.
>> And I agree that if you're trying to actually hold the phone, not
>> have it on any sort of surface, it's really hard if not impossible
>> to use it with one hand. But if it's laying on your lap or a table
>> or the arm of the chair and you're sitting in that chair, then I
>> don't have a problem using just one hand. Of course, you couldn't
>> use braille keyboard input with just one hand, that would be true
>> for any of the phones I would think. The reason I finally got the
>> larger size was because of larger battery. I would rather have the
>> smaller size, but the big battery has made a significant difference
>> for
>> me, so the trade-off is worth it.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Sadam Ahmed 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrading to the iPhone 8.
>>>
>>>
>>> My question is how big is the plus version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it easy  to use with one hand?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any answers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>
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RE: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to 
use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet and 
therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so far is 
a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock when you 
show them a picture of a person.
Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face 
Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 in a 
Million unless it’s an identical twin.
Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be 
because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide strap 
with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the third 
bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S Plus with 
Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in the dock 
or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the 
winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy 
operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my 
passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am walking 
and have the phone in my pocket.
OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many 
other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, we 
bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a few 
new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I were 
still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has a 6S 
and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, 
battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be 
surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their 
phones and maybe even iPads next year although now that they have the “normal” 
8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be surprised if they don’t continue 
with this trend and make a premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones 
similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED screens of course probably also 
become standard so it will be interesting to see what they come up with to set 
a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people are willing to spend an 
extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes 
will get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart 
this year.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
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To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why


I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo

[https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1-800x497.jpg]
Enlarge / This 
right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.

The all-new iPhone 
X
 is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed with is 
a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a nearly 
all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch ID 
sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many phones 
have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead, the X is 
relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for biometric 
security.
Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your face 
with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple says this 
can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.

None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.

This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature, and 
they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate Face ID 
is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face. This is 
slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader, which 
doesn't have to be aimed at anything.

Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll 
stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on the 
fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an 
"authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and 

What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Cris Ali]

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten's camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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several questions on podcasts and YouTube

[Wayne Scott]

chand want to leave some comments.  How do I change my name on YouTube
without having to create a new account?IO am using an iPhone with
latest version of IOS and VoiceOver and a braille display.  Wayne

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Re: Removing apps from IPhone

[Richard Turner]

When VoiceOver says editing, just double tap on the app and you should be asked 
if you want to delete it.
Richard


On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Ralph Supernaw > 
wrote:

Hi,

I used to know how to do this, but how do you remove and app from an IPhone 6?  
I can figure out how to move them but can’t find any options for getting rid of 
them.

Thanks.

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.
 
Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

  _  

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Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
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Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
 IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTunes 12.7


Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My
Device to remove and add them.

In iOS 11, coming shortly, Apple will let you
 re-downloaded previously
purchased ringtones and manage them directly on the device.

 itunes 12 7 internet radio
 IDG 

You can pick what shows up in the music library sidebar, including Internet
Radio.

iTunes U content was moved to podcasts in iTunes, while Internet Radio is
now part of the music library sidebar. If you're not seeing Internet 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Mary Otten]

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple’s slate of product announcements, 
and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

IDG
The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from Apple. That can 
easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app choices. Many 
users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively modest, and this 
won’t be as big a hit.

There’s no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of 
restrictions on your internet service—whether in performance or limits—you 
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend without 
those limits. You’ll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to restore an 
iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple introduced 
many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with a Mac before 
iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were readily available. 
It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon in the area below the 
playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the navigation list at left.

IDG
File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.

Other changes in iTunes 12.7

Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find 
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any 
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if 
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My 
Device to remove and add them.

In iOS 11, coming shortly, Apple will let you re-downloaded previously 
purchased ringtones and manage them directly on the device.

IDG
You can pick what shows up in the music library sidebar, including Internet 
Radio.

iTunes U content was moved to podcasts in iTunes, while Internet Radio is now 
part of the music library sidebar. If you’re not seeing Internet Radio, 
Control-click on the music sidebar, choose Edit List, and check the Internet 
Radio box. (While there, you can opt to include or exclude other items.)

Finally, Windows users will find themselves paging through their version of 
iTunes, trying to find Books. It doesn’t matter how thoroughly you ruffle the 
app: Apple says in a bit of doublespeak, “Books on iTunes for Windows are 
managed in iBooks for iOS.”



Original Article: 
https://www.macworld.com/article/3224531/software-entertainment/itunes-127-how-to-cope-with-the-abrupt-changes.html#tk.rss_all


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Removing apps from IPhone

[Ralph Supernaw]

Hi,

 

I used to know how to do this, but how do you remove and app from an IPhone 6?  
I can figure out how to move them but can’t find any options for getting rid of 
them.

 

Thanks.

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Re: New iTunes 12.7 removes the App Store

[Russ Kiehne]

How will this effect itunes file sharing?

From: Grant Hardy 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:10 PM
To: Viphone List 
Subject: New iTunes 12.7 removes the App Store

Hi all, 

It appears that iTunes 12.7, released today for PC and Mac, has removed the 
ability to download, update and sync iOS apps, as well as the ability to 
download ringtones.

Looks like if you have a specific custom ringtone or app on your computer that 
is no longer in the store, you can manually copy it to your iOS device, but 
otherwise you are expected to download this content on the device itself.

I’m not sure if it will be possible to update apps on our computers in the 
future, as many folks like to do in case a new version of an app breaks 
accessibility.

Here’s a link to an Apple support article with more info: 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208075?=acs::fm-itunes_HT208075

Grant Hardy

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RE: Duolingo

[Mike Ulrich]

The app is crap! Just my two cents worth.

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Subject: Duolingo

Does anyone know of a good blind-friendly introduction to this app? 
Tried to use it but the very first level had me answering questions with 
pictures.



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Duolingo

[Kelby Carlson]

Does anyone know of a good blind-friendly introduction to this app? 
Tried to use it but the very first level had me answering questions with 
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RE: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

[Mike Ulrich]

Here’s another idea; when you become an Amazon Prime Member, you get a basic 
version of Amazon Music for free.

You could pay the whole one year Amazon Prime membership subscription up front 
for $99.00.

Or you can pay by the month for I think $10.00.

Then again I think they still have some kind of special for the disabled for 
like $7.00 per month.

 

I love the free Amazon Music app, and it surely seems to this ordinary average 
blink, that the Amazon Music; music player plays much louder than the IPhone 
native music player. I totally dig that!

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

 

Hello list

What is the monthly subscription for IHeart Radio?

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:02 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

 

Did it get updated to 64 bit? If not it will no longer work with iOS 11.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

ooTunes would work just fine and it is fully accessible.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:48 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> In fact I'm not looking for an app for Music   I'm looking for an app for 
> local and international radio stations available online,  for sports news, i. 
> E.  public radio CNN etc
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably iHeart Radio
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.
>> 
>> I'm looking for an alternative to tune in radio. 
>> 
>> I don't remember what app it was but it was mentioned couple of years back 
>> on the list. It was not ootunes  and use the same library ass tunein. I will 
>> appreciate if somebody could remember about it 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you were to subscribe to Apple Music I nstead of Spotify you would get 
>>> the same thing from Apple using the music app. In fact, if you are a family 
>>> then Apple Music is the best deal out there as far as I know because for 
>>> $14.99 a months you can I believe add up to 4 family members and each gets 
>>> to develop their own likes, suggestions and all that. You get access to 
>>> Apples 40 Million and growing collection of songs and I believe they are 
>>> also more or less at the top of the list with that. Another bonus you get 
>>> with Apple Music over Spotify is that you can use SIRI, instead of having 
>>> to type in what you want to h ear you can just say "Play Pop" or "Play so 
>>> and so album by so and so artist" or "Play the #1 hits of 1986" and more.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Connie Mohney
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:27 PM
>>> To: viphone 
>>> Subject: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.
>>> 
>>> Good afternoon all.
>>> My son got me into this app called Spotify. I typed in every artist I had 
>>> in my iTunes folder on my phone and the station had the same albums.  You 
>>> can either choose to play albums or songs.  Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> Connie
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Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

[Fanus]

Hello list
What is the monthly subscription for IHeart Radio?
Regards
Fanus


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

Did it get updated to 64 bit? If not it will no longer work with iOS 11.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.

ooTunes would work just fine and it is fully accessible.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:48 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> In fact I'm not looking for an app for Music   I'm looking for an app for 
> local and international radio stations available online,  for sports news, i. 
> E.  public radio CNN etc
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably iHeart Radio
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.
>> 
>> I'm looking for an alternative to tune in radio. 
>> 
>> I don't remember what app it was but it was mentioned couple of years back 
>> on the list. It was not ootunes  and use the same library ass tunein. I will 
>> appreciate if somebody could remember about it 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you were to subscribe to Apple Music I nstead of Spotify you would get 
>>> the same thing from Apple using the music app. In fact, if you are a family 
>>> then Apple Music is the best deal out there as far as I know because for 
>>> $14.99 a months you can I believe add up to 4 family members and each gets 
>>> to develop their own likes, suggestions and all that. You get access to 
>>> Apples 40 Million and growing collection of songs and I believe they are 
>>> also more or less at the top of the list with that. Another bonus you get 
>>> with Apple Music over Spotify is that you can use SIRI, instead of having 
>>> to type in what you want to h ear you can just say "Play Pop" or "Play so 
>>> and so album by so and so artist" or "Play the #1 hits of 1986" and more.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Connie Mohney
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:27 PM
>>> To: viphone 
>>> Subject: A neat radio station app that you can use in place of iTunes.
>>> 
>>> Good afternoon all.
>>> My son got me into this app called Spotify. I typed in every artist I had 
>>> in my iTunes folder on my phone and the station had the same albums.  You 
>>> can either choose to play albums or songs.  Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> Connie
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Re: games to play on iPhone

['John' via VIPhone]

Hi
I am probably not the best person to ask about games as i do not get a 
lot of time to play them.


When I do want to go looking for new games Apple Vis and Audiogame.net 
are both excellent.


Hope this helps
John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
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Our new game Super Tile Smash
Now available on the App Store!
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8=uo%3D4
Android FREE version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
Android PRO version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro

On 13/09/2017 10:52, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

hi John,
I don't really play games on my iPhone, but do  remember, when using a PC and a 
little bit of site, gone now, playing a game called monkey Island and one 
called Discworld. I loved playing those games! do you know, is there anything 
like them now available and accessible for the iPhone?

thanks for any info, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon


On 11 Sep 2017, at 09:49, 'John' via VIPhone  wrote:

Hi
Thank you for playing Talking Stones on Android I am currently developing a new 
game for IOS and will take another look at converting Talking Stones for IOS 
after the launch of the new game.
I have already got Super Tile Smash out for IOS which is a similar tile based 
game it is fully Voiceover compatible and has lots of options to customize the 
game and gameplay.
The link is below.

John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
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Our new game Super Tile Smash
Now available on the App Store!
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8=uo%3D4
Android FREE version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
Android PRO version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro


On 03/09/2017 08:39, Terri Stimmel wrote:
Hello everyone,


I know we likely discuss a lot of this on here. But I figured it
wouldn't hurt to ask. I mean, you get others opinions, and what not.


First of all, when I was using Android, there was this game called,
Talking Stones. I believe it was made by Woodside Apps. But this could
be wrong.

Does anyone know what kind of game I am talking about?


Also, I think I might be interested in the Blindfold games. But I wish
voiceover didn't have to be turned off, in order for it to work.


So I like games such as Talking Stones, I have Dice World. I am willing
to try the Blindfold games.

I like that game that was called Word Association II, or something like
that.

I'd like some different card games.

Maybe some games where you have to build things, to get what you want?

Or something where you had to line up stuff.


Does this make sense to any of you. If so, can some of you please help
me out.

I will say that I don't care for text adventure games.


Thank you,


Terri



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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Diane]

I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple IOS 
11 next week.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Tucker 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble


  I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?

  On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane  wrote:


  I think this is the group I should ask 
this question of, so here goes.

  I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else can 
read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and sing with 
them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the dropbox.  I 
tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song folder and 
enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 40 display.  I 
go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told to hit chord b to 
go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song back to the song 
list.  That way I could go through my song list and find the next song that is 
put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of the folder to the 
beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried it in access note and 
regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked throught the list of 
folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song folder but not further.  
It will not go in the individual song to read the words.  I have to close the 
app and try again.  My question is this.  Is there a voice-over command for the 
Braille display to go back out of the song words to my list of songs?  I know 
that dot 8 enters on things.  I wanted to explain it very clearly to get the 
right answer.  I hope someone can help.

  Thanks much.  God bless.

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Re: About unlocking iPhone 10

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
You will be able to turn off the attention option in the accessibility options. 
This means you will not have to have your eyes open I believe. This was 
mentioned in an applevis post.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe eyes have to be open so nobody can take your phone and  unlock it by 
> pointing it at you while you are asleep.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: About unlocking iPhone 10
> 
> The interesting thing is that they say you have to have your eyes not closed. 
> If it were just facial recognition, why would it care if your eyes were open 
> or closed? I know some totally blind people, myself included, who are 
> sometimes told or asked, why do you have your eyes closed. When that happens 
> to me, I honestly say I didn't realize they were closed. And opening them or 
> at least when I guess is opening them feels entirely not natural. 
> Fortunately, as the owner of a 7+, I do not feel the need to rush out for an 
> upgrade.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it will work just fine, my eyes are fake, too, but Face Id is not 
>> about retina or any other eye scanning but facial recognition.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: About unlocking iPhone 10
>> 
>> Interesting Apple event today. I wonder, if you have artificial eyes, and 
>> poor muscle control, by view even of the fact that your eyes aren't real, 
>> will the iPhone recognize that you're trying to look at it? Hopefully they 
>> have thought of this, and there is an alternative way to unlock it 
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Re: games to play on iPhone

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi John,
I don't really play games on my iPhone, but do  remember, when using a PC and a 
little bit of site, gone now, playing a game called monkey Island and one 
called Discworld. I loved playing those games! do you know, is there anything 
like them now available and accessible for the iPhone?

thanks for any info, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Sep 2017, at 09:49, 'John' via VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Thank you for playing Talking Stones on Android I am currently developing a 
> new game for IOS and will take another look at converting Talking Stones for 
> IOS after the launch of the new game.
> I have already got Super Tile Smash out for IOS which is a similar tile based 
> game it is fully Voiceover compatible and has lots of options to customize 
> the game and gameplay.
> The link is below.
> 
> John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/woodside_apps
> 
> Our new game Super Tile Smash
> Now available on the App Store!
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8=uo%3D4
> Android FREE version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
> Android PRO version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro
> 
>> On 03/09/2017 08:39, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I know we likely discuss a lot of this on here. But I figured it
>> wouldn't hurt to ask. I mean, you get others opinions, and what not.
>> 
>> 
>> First of all, when I was using Android, there was this game called,
>> Talking Stones. I believe it was made by Woodside Apps. But this could
>> be wrong.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what kind of game I am talking about?
>> 
>> 
>> Also, I think I might be interested in the Blindfold games. But I wish
>> voiceover didn't have to be turned off, in order for it to work.
>> 
>> 
>> So I like games such as Talking Stones, I have Dice World. I am willing
>> to try the Blindfold games.
>> 
>> I like that game that was called Word Association II, or something like
>> that.
>> 
>> I'd like some different card games.
>> 
>> Maybe some games where you have to build things, to get what you want?
>> 
>> Or something where you had to line up stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> Does this make sense to any of you. If so, can some of you please help
>> me out.
>> 
>> I will say that I don't care for text adventure games.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
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Re: Dating sites

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Facebook,  they're everywhere.

Ek!...   one search turned up a gay-blind list/group.

So, a good search term is as much as it needs.

Before anybody jumps on it, i'm not being judgemental, just saying.

R.
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From: "Terri Stimmel" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:18 AM
Subject: Dating sites


Hello everyone,


I know this will likely seem like an odd question to ask. But I figured
what could it hurt?


I was wondering, does anyone know of dating sites in the US, that are
pretty accessible with the iPhone, or iPad?

I find using my iPhone tends to be easier for me.


But I am looking for free, or sites that aren't too expensive. Ones that
are as accessible as possible. It doesn't matter if it's sites for
people with disabilities, or ones for people without, or mixed. I am
trying to keep my options open, here.


I know last year, I think it was, that Plenty of Fish was pretty accessible.

However, I would get a lot of these things that would say, so and so
wants to meet you. But when I would look at the profile, I knew it
couldn't be someone interested in me. And no, I am not saying that due
to my disabilities. It just wouldn't make sense.


So if anyone has any thoughts, or ideas, I would appreciate hearing them.


Thank you,


Terri

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